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back in december of 2015 we threw together a budget eight core gaming pc

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for under 150 bucks for the CPU RAM and

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motherboard that is still a great deal almost two years later and we were able

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to do this thanks to a couple of things one high-end workstation and server

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equipment is often ahead of the technology curve in certain ways like

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multi-core processors and two the way that businesses upgrade their it

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gear on a regular cycle can lead to big

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jumps in the supply of this older tech on sites like ebay where the pricing

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often ends up much lower than mainstream hardware because it's less familiar to

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the average consumer and nobody's searching for it

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so we thought to ourselves well

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now eight core cpus are like mainstream

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so how do we take this concept to another level

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let's build the most badass machine

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possible using decommissioned server

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gear what could go wrong

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nothing could go wrong by visiting our merch store which has shirts hats and

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more it even has stickers there's a link below

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so this video has actually been ongoing since uh

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mid-may i mean what the crap how difficult could it be

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to source some junky old stuff on ebay and slap it

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together it's story time so way back then Anthony and i was like

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way early on in his employment here even we sat down and we first looked for the

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biggest baddest motherboard we could possibly find on ebay the most sockets

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the most memory slots the most actual

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physical size and we settled on this

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the super micro h8q g6 f designed for

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the proprietary swtx form factor it checked all the boxes

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four g34 CPU sockets

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32 dimm slots for up to a terabyte of ecc registered ddr3 memory multiple pci

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express slots and even an onboard lsi sas controller this thing is in another

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league look at all those connectors and yes those are fans on the chipsets

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plural chipsets speaking of which the i o includes three

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Ethernet ports so two gigabit for data and another one for ipmi which is a

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remote management interface you can learn more about here

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next up then choosing a CPU or rather four of them as we pointed out

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in our hundred and fifty dollar gaming rig video top of the line skus for even

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very old servers are still being sold at a premium but

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drop down a few tears and

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there we go the opteron 6276

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with 16 cores each can be had for 30

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bucks so we snatched up four of those then we

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grabbed a case lot of 16 4 gig sticks of

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ecc registered memory giving us quad

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channel memory for each of our four

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cpus that's like 16 channels of memory

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so then at this point we were ready to rip up the performance charts right

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not really so not only is this motherboard a crazy

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form factor that wouldn't even begin to fit in any case or test bench we have

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here at the office we also needed to track down a power supply with three eps

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12 volt connectors in order to supply power to all of these bloody cpus i mean

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even the highest end consumer units only come with two such cables at most

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so what we ended up doing was frankensteining together the cables from

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two modular units onto one success

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so then with that issue solved we plugged it all in and powered it up

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and blank screen the board wasn't

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posting now the cpus are on the supported list

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so what gives well we ended up shelving it and waiting

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a couple of months for a slightly stripped down version of the same board

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it lacks the sas controller in a few PCIe slots so that's a bummer but it'll

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do at least it came with some 8 core optron 6128s already installed so we were able

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to use those to fire it up verify it was working then swap our 16 cores in and

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what okay i'm going to skip the long version

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here and it turns out that despite the BIOS reporting that it was the latest

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revision it was not

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so a desperation BIOS flash later and we were finally in business

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on an unrelated note anyone want to buy an unexpectedly functional quad socket

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optiron board anyone bueller

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bueller bueller oh right no uh you want to see how it

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performs first huh well with a whopping

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64 cores we put it straight head to head

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with ryzen threadripper and Intel's latest core i9 i mean this thing's gonna

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win with its eyes closed and one hand behind it's back in the multi-threaded

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tests right we'll get to those but first let's address the elephant in the video

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title gaming it sucks

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mike let me make this abundantly clear

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this is a 1080 ti running at

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1080p so if you've ever wondered what a

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bottleneck looks like this is it

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rise of the tomb raider and directx 12 got 10 percent of the performance of the

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core i7 7700k 10

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and it's even worse in cs go i mean at least it was only half as bad in 3dmark

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and unigine's superposition but i mean if super micro is to be

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believed this is or at least was a machine that was designed to do work

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not games so will it blend

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actually yeah in blender it's 3d rendering prowess

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doesn't put it quite on the level of threadripper or core i9 but it handily

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outdoes the ryzen 7 1800x for roughly

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the same overall system cost unsurprisingly cinebench and 7-zip show

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similar results but a lack of avx-2 support and relatively

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low cash per core hinders its high core count significantly compared to its more

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modern competition even in these multi-threaded workloads

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and there is more to buying a CPU than just performance too so we tested our

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thermals with some Noctua nff12s just

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sitting on top of the heatsinks that were included with our board and

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actually this wasn't bad each CPU hit only 55

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degrees at the worst in ida 64. as for that power draw

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nelly wow that's a number that only gets

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trumped by our overclocked 18 core core

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i9 7980xe extreme edition

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though in fairness this is 64 cores

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across four cpus so bottom line then um

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fun experiment but did we get our money's worth well given that we bought

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two boards by accident no no we didn't but let's play a game where

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we pretend we didn't do that for gaming this setup is super dumb

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but for productivity it actually doesn't look that bad

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even though it is at the bottom of our charts like so all in we paid about

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eighteen hundred and eighty eight dollars for this ghetto workstation as

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spec using a motherboard box as an open bench

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style case now as soon as you buy modern hardware like a 1080 ti the

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bottlenecking of that high-end gear hurts your overall system value but

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if all you wanted was CPU performance and you just put like a five dollar

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graphics card in then our system here actually delivers better value than

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ryzen threadripper and if we had weighted our testing more towards

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blender we'd have seen an even better price to performance ratio this actually

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makes for a a really cool budget blender

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box but if you want to do

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almost literally anything else with your machine

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especially gaming it shouldn't be your first choice

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especially given the headache factor

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