What's up, happy Friday and welcome to the WAN Show.
We've got a great show lined up for you this week,
but that's what we say every week.
But this time I actually mean it.
YouTube has announced a spam crackdown
and coincidentally-
So have you.
So have I.
Yeah.
Yeah, we're gonna be talking a little bit
about that later on.
Also, oh wow, really, really?
Twitter blocked JerryRigEverything?
Yep.
Along with journalists who have covered Elon in the past,
particularly ElonJet, also the ElonJet account.
So we'll be talking about the 180 degree about face
that Elon Musk has done on his whole
freedom of speech absolutionist thing
that he said and never really demonstrated
any commitment to.
What else we got?
Yeah, which one of these should I do?
What, you don't like this one?
Which one is this?
The one I highlighted.
Come on, it's awesome.
Okay, TikTok takes on YouTube
with experimental landscape video feature.
Take that, we got landscape now.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Now we've got landscape with copyrighted music
we're not paying licensing fees for.
Pow, pow, pow.
Yeah.
Also, Linus is gonna rant about apps
that copy paste metadata along with text.
Yeah, cause it's stupid.
It's annoying.
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Let's go ahead and jump right into
YouTube announces spam crackdown.
On Wednesday, YouTube announced
that they will be dealing with the scourge
of spam comments, stealing creators' profile pics,
and posting emoji-filled prize-winning lies.
That's right.
They are finally doing something.
I mean, they've been doing something for a while,
but they're like-
What do you mean?
They removed the dislike button.
Okay.
I mean, but no.
Problem solved.
No, but even live chat is apparently getting improved bot detection,
for example, which is actually kind of exciting
because I don't know if you guys realize this,
especially those of you who are watching on YouTube,
but I do not look at the YouTube chat at all.
I mean, you guys see me screen share,
and how often, if ever, do you even see this window open?
Do you ever see this window?
No.
What that means is I am not looking at the YouTube chat
because it moves so fast, it is full of absolute garbage.
And do I need any other reasons other than that?
No, that's good enough.
It moves really fast and is full of garbage.
It's fast garbage.
Yeah, Twitch's loading in chunks is actually kind of helpful
because once it loads a bunch, it pauses for a second.
It's slow garbage.
You can actually read.
And then there's Floatplane, which is quality.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
But hey, maybe that's going to change.
So YouTube will be implementing improved spam detection on video comments.
As spammers change their tactics,
our machine learning models are improving to better detect new types of spam.
So that's good.
They're working on improved bot detection in live chat.
And they are...
Okay, cool.
So this is the controversial part.
This is what I really wanted to talk to you about.
Because up until now, as far as I can tell,
like a machine learning...
A chat moderator or comment moderator was only able to remove a comment.
But the real change in capabilities is that they will now be able to issue
warnings and timeouts to users.
So if you leave abusive comments, an actual bot will be able to
issue you a 24 hour timeout.
What do you think of that?
Bot moderators that will not only remove a comment or.
Hold for moderation, but actually take moderator actions.
Can you turn it off?
As far as I can tell, the plan is to implement these features platform-wide
without any kind of toggle for creators.
I would be far more comfortable with it if you could turn it off.
Because then the vast majority of people could just leave it on and it would be fine.
But then like, remember when they were...
I don't know exactly how to word.
This, but YouTube was reducing the spread of, of anything that mentioned COVID at all.
Yes.
Those types of...
Well, it wasn't that the...
Okay, so hold on.
It was that monetization was disabled on anything to do with COVID.
But doesn't that basically automatically mean when you're YouTube that you're not boosting those videos as much?
No.
Well, okay.
So I've had this conversation with people high up enough at YouTube that they should...
at least know the right answers, whether they tell them to me or not.
Okay.
YouTube claims, swears up and down that the monetization status of a video does not affect its reach.
They also swear up and down that they don't know how the algorithm fully works because it's machine learning based.
Oh, I believe that.
Yeah.
Oh, I see what you mean.
Because if they're telling the thing, like, we want you to find ways to make money, why would it promote demonetized videos?
My understanding, though, is that that is not...
is not a focus for the algorithmic inputs.
The focuses for the algorithmic inputs are not just watch time.
Okay.
So it used to be views and then things like likes and comments.
Yeah.
Things like interactions started to play heavily into it as well.
And then it evolved to watch time.
That was the that was the animation apocalypse, right?
When YouTube started to emphasize watch time over view counts because animation is so expensive.
to make per minute compared to something like VOD or, in particular, something like long gameplay videos or streams, right?
Then they kind of realized, well, okay, watch time is not the be all and end all.
And for at least the last few years, their emphasis has been on satisfaction.
That's the word that you can't talk to a YouTube employee for more than probably 10 minutes.
about the algorithm without them using.
Viewer satisfaction.
Sure.
So they take a number of signals for that.
They take whether you watch the video through, right?
Like how much of the video you watch, how you engage with it, commenting on it, liking it, for example.
A big, big one for satisfaction is if you click on another video when you're done watching.
If you click on another video from that creator, that's a really strong indicator for satisfaction.
Right?
So if you want to be fed more of a certain creator or more of a certain kind of content, watch through a video, click on another one of their videos and watch that, and I pretty much promise you that your feed is going to be full of that kind of stuff.
The other thing is that sometimes YouTube uses ad spots for things that are not ads, and you've probably seen this a fair bit.
No, you have premium, don't you?
Okay, so one of the things that you will see if you're an ad-supported user is surveys.
And they won't just add.
They'll ask you, did you like this video?
Because that's what this button's for, right?
And, you know, they've got five different settings, so you can tell it exactly how much you liked it, anywhere from one star to five stars.
Wait.
That'd be a good idea, though.
Like 2006 YouTube?
Yeah, that's what the thumbs up and thumbs down is for.
So they'll ask you things like, how did this video make you feel?
Right?
Like, you guys have probably seen this.
So that is all so that they can gauge the user satisfaction.
How much did this video satisfy?
You because the idea is that it's all about keeping you on the platform for as many hours of the day as humanly or, I mean, realistically, machinely possible.
Yeah, we actually did an AB test a while back where we took two similar videos.
Actually, we did it a couple of times.
So it was with a few different videos, but we took two videos that we kind of expected to perform similarly and intentionally disabled monetization on them.
Okay.
To see if, well, because my theory was that the one without monetization, given YouTube's desire for better satisfaction from viewers, I thought the one without monetization would actually perform better.
Yeah.
Than the one with monetization.
Because people would leave less.
Right.
And so the reason that I cared about this was because sponsored videos will pay way more per view than an ad-supported video.
So the idea was that if we had a full...
Yeah.
...ad to a fully sponsored video and we could boost its reach by simply disabling Google ads, then that would be an obvious value add to the sponsor.
Yeah.
It would juice up our view counts and it would mean that we could sell sponsored videos for more.
So that was my whole plan was I was like, oh, okay, well, maybe we can increase viewer satisfaction by removing Google ads, ultimately increasing the value of our sponsored videos.
Yeah.
But what we found every single time was that there did not appear to be any quality.
Yeah.
So what we found every single time was that there did not appear to be any correlation whatsoever.
And I called BS on this previously.
Yeah.
The really wild part.
All right.
Is that what you're getting into?
Sort of.
Okay.
Call BS on...
Okay.
So I called BS on this previously because I said that if I'm ever on a device, which is annoyingly often, that I'm not logged into the one Google account that I have premium on because there's no way I'm going to get premium on like seven different Google accounts.
Yeah.
So if I'm ever logged in or it thinks that account is active or whatever, I will immediately leave because there's no way I'm watching an ad, but I think I understand now there's an example that you're going to throw out that is, that is really interesting, but I think I also understand, I think at this point, if you don't have premium...
They're missing context still, Luke.
Oh, okay.
Sorry.
Go for it.
Okay.
The really wild thing is that every time I talk to anyone from YouTube, they will swear up and down that ads do not affect retention or retention.
Yeah.
That ads do not affect retention or satisfaction.
Yeah.
Like even mid-roll ads.
Like, I don't know if you guys have noticed, but because we have baked in sponsor reads to our videos, we do not include mid-roll ads on our LTT content.
And the reason for that is that from my point of view, I feel the same way as you.
A mid-roll ad is a very strong, a very high friction...
It's a leave point.
...point for me.
Yeah.
But they say...
They say that it doesn't affect retention, and one of the highest profile, the king of retention on the platform, MrBeast, I know, enables mid-roll ads, puts them in liberally, lets Google just figure out the best place to put them, and just lets it do its thing.
And somehow that works.
Yeah, clearly.
Yeah, someone pointed out like, oh, that's just because you have another account to switch to.
No, I said device.
So if I'm on someone else's computer...
If I'm on this laptop, I don't have my personal email, because my YouTube Premium is on my personal email.
If I don't have my personal email logged into something, I just literally won't watch YouTube because of the ads.
But thinking about that, I was like, oh, I will know that and not go to YouTube, or I will know that or not realize that, go to YouTube, get an ad, and immediately leave permanently.
So I think if people are going to YouTube, they're expecting ads.
So it's not going to make them leave.
It's not going to make them leave an individual video, because they're expecting ads.
It's also a totally different viewer.
Like the demographics of a channel like MrBeast, for example, and our channel are going to be very different.
In the same way that the demographics of like a super popular, you know, beauty channel or gaming channel or science channel, actually science and technology overlap a ton.
That was a bad example.
But like, yeah, a comedy channel.
The demographics are going to be super different.
And I think that among tech-savvy viewers, you might find that the way that we are conditioned to accept ads is not as much.
So I don't want to generalize, but I think it's probably fair to say that among the tech-savvy audience, you are more likely to find people who engage in ad blocking, content piracy.
Yeah.
You're more likely to find people who engage with new platforms.
Like, I would say that the tech-savvy audience that's watching us right now was far more likely to subscribe to Netflix in the very early days than their mom or their auntie or their dad or grandpa.
Those people are super tech-savvy as well.
But yeah.
Exactly.
But that's what I'm saying is like, I think that the tech-savvy audience's tolerance for advertising is probably lower because they've spent the last 20, 30 years of their life in advertising.
Yeah.
20 years not absorbing as much advertising as the average viewer.
Like, I go over to my in-law's place and the TV is on.
You know, like.
All the time.
Cable.
Yeah.
Like, television.
Yeah.
And I'm standing in front of it and you know, it's like, it's like, oh, glowing object.
Like fire.
Me watch.
You know, like, it draws you in, right?
Yeah.
Or there's something interesting on it.
And then, you know, because it's like 30% advertising.
advertising something comes on i'm like oh yeah ads have gotten like kind of kind of funny these
see you later like that's it i'm done i'm i'm out because i'm not conditioned to to watch that
whereas they'll just sit in front of it yeah i'm like oh well that's a generational gap that i
hadn't really like thought about in a while yeah and so maybe maybe i mean okay here's something
uh tiktok to my knowledge doesn't have premium okay i have no idea yeah guys you're gonna have
to correct me if i'm wrong but my understanding is that there's no paid account there's just
either you view ads on tiktok or that's it why wouldn't they i don't know that's actually a
pretty good question um what is tiktok premium tiktok pro is an extended version of tiktok
what apparently their ads are super trivial to skip though so apparently they are
they are super easy to can you just like scroll past it ads can just be scrolled away yeah yeah
but someone's got to watch it or they wouldn't even be able to keep the servers running
so i don't i don't know i i can't explain this because i'm i'm like you guys i mean i i don't
even see ads most of the time someone will be like how you do that is is actually crazy i
because okay so he's gonna say this and you guys are gonna go like oh okay yeah he just ignores
him no like he's gonna say this and you guys are gonna go like oh okay yeah he just ignores him
literally somehow just like mentally blocks it i don't know how to describe oh man i've tried to
like explain how an ad on a website like uh like interacted with the rest of the experience or
like push things out of the way and he'd be like oh i don't know i didn't see it i'm like how it's
like half the screen he's like i don't know it's actually wild i do have a threshold i might have
actually sent you this screenshot
a little while ago but i opened up an article where on my phone my folding phone like my giant
phone screen there was like two lines of text that i could read and the entire rest of the thing was
ads yeah that's bad i think i did send you that right i was like well here's an argument here's
an argument for privateering and yeah in that case i was aware of the ads but i couldn't tell
you what any of them were and i was like oh my god i don't know how to explain this because i
don't know what they were for right okay all i could see was my two lines of content and i felt
my annoyance that i had to scroll a lot mental ad blocking service was like getting overloaded
like there's too much it's gotta be an add thing or something like like hyper focus is like is is
apparently a thing okay and so when i'm when i'm reading i am reading and you go fast if you could
find my grade three four teacher i had her for both years and talk to her about
the ads and you know even i can't wait until 30 years to sit down and like check outgal
what's her name i was like i wanna hear your commentary on the ads and research them yeah
do you know anything about produção technology or even talking about product marketing and
the benefits map sort of the parents going from it and like you know if i think if i
see why this project doesn't make sense like i like this because i say to my students
like should we do this so it'll become one short story at the end of the day but on
the other end of the day just coming up with great stuff and incredible bookshops like
brotherhood books to count they are so great one's ersten case by eyes and motherhood week
that i was going to say that but i don't even remember a book you pulled out of the page
first one a book tool and i did a third I don't remember a book tool there were all i think in the
letter grades yeah um effort grades yeah and then maybe it was just the school i went to they're
very thorough they would write like a page or two pages about you for every report card or maybe it
was just me we had we had paragraphs so our report cards are similar in that way and then we had
paragraph sections under each topic got it so for like maths or or sciences or whatever you would
have like a paragraph for each for each one well i got a page um anyway one of the things that i
would do in in class is and like at the time i thought i was totally getting away with it i
thought nobody had any idea but i would sit for you know you know the desks that you have in
elementary school right with the storage in them a bar thing and so yeah uh with like the cubby
inside it so i would prop a book in my
cubby
and i would sit in class i'd kind of slouch like this and i would just read a novel
like like all day it's not the worst off topic thing you could be doing in class no but i'd have
no idea what's going on it's still not the worst it's not good so when there's so when there's a
project you know and instructions have been issued uh Linus uh are you gonna go get the
construction pay oh sorry what i would have no idea that anything else existed the only thing
that would penetrate my consciousness was math want to know why because any time the teacher
said something something minus something because oh i would think i heard my name goodness i'd
realize no it's just math and i'd go back to my book
i don't know
you
, that's pretty funny oh yeah so anywho i um it's definitely oh yeah twitch chat that's uh uh yeah
hopefully Yvonne doesn't like look at this it's definitely a sore spot with my wife because when
i'm like on my phone oh yeah i have yeah i mean you know this yep when i'm in a meeting if i get
sidetracked for a second he's gone i start reading something how long would you say you can be talking
before i finally acknowledge that i have not heard a word you've said and ask you to repeat
it it's it's not that bad in my opinion but for a reason that probably won't make you that happy
because it's not that bad because he will always interrupt you because he thinks whatever he's
doing is probably more interesting or more important so if he's reading something he's
probably going to want to share the information about what he's reading so so you learn pretty
quick he's not paying attention because he's going to say something in the middle of using something
and it's just like okay i guess we're talking about this i wouldn't start reading it if it
wasn't really important that's questionable
i think i think if you in that moment decide that you even if the information is important
you just don't want it right now you will you will sidetrack yourself with whatever
sometimes i don't want to hear it yeah so you'll be like oh you're going to read something else
oh yeah i mean i don't claim to be the world's most attentive person
i genuinely think that that's a huge part of my success though i wouldn't undo it for the world
because it's one of the things that like makes it so that i can be in the middle of a conversation
and like have an idea like it's where i actually get a lot of my inspiration from
that i'm not really paying attention
i'm actually thinking about something else have you in our so we weekly we have these meetings
where i go over like what the dev teams are kind of doing and all that kind of stuff do you notice
that i repeat stuff sometimes oh no yeah i didn't think so so i've learned i've known him for a long
time so i will sometimes pick up on like he didn't get that at all and sometimes i will i'll make him a
session in the moment and sometimes i'll be like once notice sometimes i'll be like you know what
honestly that wasn't like that important i also write reports and send them out through email
and i know he reads those so i'm like if it wasn't that important for him to know right now
or if i don't need a response back he'll just read it later it'll be fine and sometimes i'm like no i
actually need like what he thinks about this or his opinion on or whatever so i'll just say it
again
i'll wait until i'm like pretty sure you're done doing whatever you were doing and then i'll just
fire again and i don't even bother go like so i think you might have missed this i'm just like
whatever so the thing is like i kind of got that gen z multitasking energy but i do not have that
gen z attentiveness energy so i am single tasking four things at once with one quarter the quality
i think that's not it yeah and Isaiah the point is who i'm talking about he's
at he's at gotten started Practice
someone said i don't i lost it but they said something along the lines of like
Luke just lets his boss ignore him it's not even that's not i don't
think that's fair because i don't think he's ignoring you
no i'm not he's just that's why i said he'll talk to you about it whatever it is
he's just on a different topic now but he's he's on that topic now still with you
so he'll bring you in and you'll go on this little adventure for a while and when he's ready to come
back you can just go and start a conversation with him he's like oh, hey i just wanna talk about you
just keep going it's you are not off of the adventure he's not ignoring he's just yeah
you are welcome to go with him um oh man anyways back to uh yeah what are we supposed to be talking
about way off of it yeah we're on youtube right spam cracked out yeah so this was a coincidence
um oh okay hold on we do have some discussion questions how bad is comment spam in LMG's
experience it's gotten a lot better but i have still noticed some i mean mostly breaking through
yep i've noticed some i've noticed i'm still seeing some of the copy pasting a highly upvoted
comment with just like a sexual profile picture stuff like that i'm still seeing a fair bit of
that i've seen almost none of the whatsapp bots though uh message me on whatsapp with like that
has gone a lot better yep the the one that you just
mentioned copy pasting a highly uploaded comment that i've seen a lot more and i've seen it making
small edits which is interesting oh that i haven't noticed but i've never gone and looked for the
original i all i know i didn't particularly find the original i just assumed that's what it was
doing uh but on a video fairly recently i said the control f thing the comment included my name
and then ended up finding like a huge amount of almost identically the same comment and then
like lewd profile photo interesting what is this and it a lot of them were exactly the same and
then other ones would have like slight edits it feels like maybe they like kind of merge
two comments together somewhat right or maybe they're editing off of each other or maybe that
i don't 100 know what interesting really really really similar yeah um it definitely
does seem like it's improved i would like to see them i think that timing out is a good middle ground
i don't agree with everything youtube does especially around content moderation but i think
that timeout is a good middle ground between just outright removing accounts that are perceived as
spammy because the line between a really smart chat bot and some people is blurry indeed so i
think that it is possible that they could actually end up banning a lot of real human accounts if
they just banned people
but timeout is a is a great way to dramatically reduce the effectiveness of bots yeah and give
them time to go in and like prune these with a more hopefully manual process yeah um but also
you know not accidentally throw out a bunch of wheat with chaff jaden and full-plane chat just
said to be clear jaden one of the full-plane developers in full-plane chat just said gpt3
is terrifying for spam ab-so-lutely yeah absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely
that really is yeah i mean there could be so much more spam than i realized like a lot
of the spam comments could be totally benign now because these accounts are building up
a history over a long over a long period of time of leaving good comments so that it's a lot harder
to identify them as a bot six months or 18 months down the road i mean that's one of the things
that is um of value when it comes to
either renting out or selling a botnet or like a fake account for whether it's a social media
platform or YouTube or whatever else, is if you have long-term established accounts that have not
in that time been flagged as spam accounts, they're way more valuable. That's one of the
reasons why stealing something like an old inactive Reddit account is absolutely something
that a spammer would want to do. And they can even target them. Subtopic. And it's a total
coincidence that this happens to be on the same week, but I have decided to reverse something that
has been a long-time policy for me. And the reason is pretty straightforward. Let me just see if I
can find my thing. No, that's not it. I have an email that just I had sent.
To a couple of people, James Wan, that should bring it up. Just kind of talking about, you know,
what would, what would qualify as, oh, that's not the right one. Darn it. Hold on. I will find this.
I don't know how to say it. Nobody's looking for it, so I can't help them.
Yeah, here we go. Okay. So I have said in the past many times that when it comes to
content moderation under videos, I'm basically kind of like, yeah, it's,
kind of anything goes outside of, you know, really, really toxic, obvious spam, abusive
behavior, anything like that. You know, go ahead and say whatever you want. But as I was reading
through the comments on one of our recent videos, what I realized is that that policy has led to a
very, very low conversation quality under the videos, if you kind of understand what I mean.
Yep.
And so one of the things that I've decided to start doing is just using the hide from channel
button a lot more liberally. So here's an example of, you know, a critical take that would absolutely
never get you hidden from the channel. So this was on the Corsair Xenon Flex video.
I consider myself a bit of a tech enthusiast, but I just don't understand the point of these
flex monitors. Like not in any way at all. I think it's such a total waste of resources.
And I wouldn't even consider buying one at any point in time for any price point. If I was given
one, I'd sell it or give it away. Honestly, I don't agree with that take. That is, I can
absolutely see the value of it at the current price. Pretty challenging. But to say that you'd
be given something for free and not at least give it a shot, I think is pretty closed minded. Like,
I don't agree with this comment, but it's, it's absolutely valid. An example of something that,
that is not valid and just simply doesn't need to be under the video is this one. Linus casually
suggesting 1440p 240 Hertz and OLED at peak 700 nits is noob level tier is funny. It tells us
where his head is. That never happened. Um, I just, I think I'm just kind of done with taking
things I never said and being like, wow, I can't believe he said that. What I said was that none of
its specs individually are best in class top of the line. And none of those specs are 1440p is not
the highest resolution. 240 Hertz is not the highest refresh rate and 700 nits peak brightness
is not as bright as a monitor will get. But you said that you like pancakes. That means you hate
waffles. Right? So what I went on to say is that, but what it is, is a really great,
great package. And so this is one of those things that I, I think over the long term,
I think it's going to take a long time, but I think over the long term could have a really
positive impact on the kind of conversations that people can have in the comments, because that's
another thing I've noticed is that there's a lot less of it. Now. I don't see long conversation
threads the way that I used to like technical long conversation threads. And it's something
that I just didn't notice until I thought about it. Uh, like an, another one.
Yeah.
One thing that came up a lot on that video in particular was, um, people really upset that I
called 1440p low res. I didn't, I said that on a 43 inch display, 1440p is low res.
Yeah. Relativity matters.
It is resolution is not pixel count. And so basically if it's, when it comes to,
well, it's not pixels per inch.
Um, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Pixels per inch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the, so, so I just,
I'm finding that I get a headache a lot reading YouTube comments, but I can't stop reading them.
So I'm going to have to start just being like, no, I'm not gonna, I can't engage with that.
So you're still reading it though.
No, because when you hide it from the channel, then I just will never have to
read anything from that person again.
Oh, it doesn't just hide that comment.
Nope. It means bye-bye.
So you're shadow banning the user.
Yeah.
Got it.
Yep. I think I'm, I think,
I'm just done. Uh, I think I just, I think I'm just not interested in reading.
Uh, you took so much flack because you're still chilling NVIDIA and don't just own your mistake.
If you send spend 30 minutes chilling NVIDIA and five seconds in the end and say something
remote bad is still chilling NVIDIA, but now that you are serious tech channel at this point,
just label the channel paid by NVIDIA.
This was on our radio on 7,900 review, where if anything, we apologized for taking such a pro AMD,
stance like i just if you don't watch the video and you just are gonna be like that i just i think
i'm done with you forever i think it's just gonna have to be like that i don't know maybe i'll maybe
i'll change my mind but i i just i i just i just can't i just can't anymore i'm tired you know
yeah uh james asks will this be an official LMG thing the answer is no this is just gonna be a
like if i'm scrolling and i just see a just catastrophically brain dead take i'm just gonna
be like sorry i just i actually can't read what you write anymore because you might get the might
get the Linus banhammer it makes my brain hurt yeah it's the the stuff that is incredibly annoying
and we i think we've talked about this in the past is the stuff that's just like they clearly
either like didn't actually watch it and just yeah reacted before watching the content or they're
taking stuff and they're like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm
like you saying oh on this massive screen this is a low resolution as just completely out of context
chopping off the on this massive screen part and then going after it like it's not it's not good
it's not good conversation yeah i don't know it is it is a little tough though and i do like that
you're not making it like an LMG rule yeah because i think that would be a hard thing to manage across
a team of people and just oh for sure without a bit of time yeah i think that would be a hard thing
yeah because i think that would be a hard thing to manage across a team of people and just oh for sure
yeah well everyone technically has the ability i actually can't prevent anyone with access to the
channel from like shadow banning someone i i don't think the management tools are that granular at
least not since i've looked at them uh but it's just you know it's the kind of thing that i just
i i i don't i don't know maybe i mean maybe the right answer is something else entirely
like okay one of the things that i've pitched to youtube multiple times and i would love to
be a feature is the ability to respond to a comment that i'm reading with a short like one
of the one of the comments that came up a lot on the xenon flex video is people misunderstanding
what i meant by low resolution for the size uh and and some people seemed genuinely like
really upset really upset that i was attacking their 1080p monitor and like like treating them
like they were poor and worthless or something because they had a 1080p monitor and this one
was 1440p and i'm sitting here going no i said it was low but but before the size your monitor
your 1080p like 22 inch monitor or 24 inch monitor or even 27 inch monitor is actually
higher pixel density than this thing i have a 27 inch 1440p monitor it's great i don't want
anything bigger i think for the screen size it's good but the problem is that
at 43 inches yeah then i would want something more it's a different story
and so if you're not going to listen to what i'm saying at all i i i i i i don't know but
but that could easily be a misunderstanding so the way that i would love to respond to
something like that is with a short hey i'm seeing this comment a lot i'd like to clarify
what i meant because i think there's a misinterpretation where people are thinking
resolution equals the size of the monitor or the size of the monitor or the size of the monitor
equals pixel count but resolution is actually the resolving the res the the the resolute how
the eye can resolve the image like it's that that's where resolution comes from we're talking
about the the clarity and clarity is affected by a lot more than pixel count 1080p could be
incredibly clear on a display this size that would be like mind-blowing like you could get this close
you'd be like wow this is sharp right we keep on you keep saying pixel count um but pixels per inch
no no pixel count is 1920 by 1080. yeah but you that's a pixel count resolution is not pixel count
it's not pixel count okay so pixels per inch is not a count of pixels
that's that's a count of pixels per distance no i know oh okay but you're saying resolution
is not pixel count and i understand what you're saying with the clarity thing okay but if you look
at the output the кожwagon is not pixel count so par
the resolution is actually the dollars box
which is who's telling the people and that's when the realm really became start to signal a lot of resolutions this got past like still have reviews on Facebook and Facebook nearuh I feel like kind of the more i think that has happened mostly with that resolution colon this yes and that's something where this yes and that's something where that's the industry has failed consumers yeah i'm just the reason why i'm just the reason i keep saying it is because people are gonna there's people saying yeah people are going to misinterpret that no resolution is not pixel count resolution is a function of pixel count display size and viewing distance stick how pixel hyan
The word resolution to describe pixel count is because it was a much easier way to market it
That's why this is one of those areas where product marketing and has utterly
failed consumers because
By focusing on pixel count and that's the reason that I'm framing it that way then by focusing on the number of pixels
you are actually and
Doing a complete disservice to the user because you are not telling them the useful information
that's one of the reasons that Apple in my opinion wisely stayed out of the
Resolution race when it came to phone displays because pixel count is what matters
excuse me pixel count because
It's because what matters is a combination of the pixel count the size of the display and the
Intended viewing distance as long as those three things are balanced
You don't actually need any more. And so in the same way that a 1080p projector at
You know a hundred and twenty inches is going to look like garbage
a 4k projector
actually, okay, so 4k is a really interesting one because
Then you start getting into how much of your field of view should actually be
Occupied by content and so the bigger you make the image
The farther away you have to sit right and so going beyond 4k actually may not matter in any context
But at but at lower resolution the further you get away from the screen
Exactly. So because of that distance function
Going higher than 4k can almost never matter like you can sit close enough to an 8k TV
But you can make out the difference between 8k and 4k
But you're sitting it's taking up so much
Of your field of view that the content is not really designed to be enjoyed that way
Like you you're like you're gonna miss details because you're I think it's only like 4 degrees or 8 degree
I forget I forget how much of your field of vision is actually sharp and your peripheral vision is not
So by sitting too close to the content you actually reduce the amount of the content that you can see clearly
No matter what the resolution of the display is and by resolution
I do mean the relative pixel count compared to the
display size
Someone a full plane chat said what you're describing is optical resolution versus image resolution
Yes, but they're closely related and there's still confusion there as well. If you google image resolution the first result from
I
Don't know what university this is, but it's some edu website is image resolution is typically described in PPI
In printing it is okay
So isn't that interest that would make a lot more sense isn't that interesting so we actually do use pixels per inch
So we did it we did it right first
right
But we didn't because digital cameras
Which were really coming up right around the time of photo printers
also
We're measured in pixels instead of pixels per inch rip because it's the only way to really
to conveniently
Say, you know how how fine the image is
right
Because the reason we use pixels per inch for print is because we know
What the scale is going to be?
But digitally we don't that two megapixel picture could be this big it could be this big so the actual
resolution of it
Could be completely different but the pixel count will that we can convey I know
It's really complicated and I don't I don't know how to fix it. I don't think you necessarily can
So so yeah, that it's frustrating
um
Anyhoo
Why don't we talk about tick-tock taking on YouTube with?
experimental
get this
landscape video
Yeah, what I find kind of funny about the little thumbnail that we have here is that it's it's still not the full screen
Which I find kind of interesting
I don't know if that's because of how the person called me it's like is it like though is it?
of how the person filmed it or what um but yeah it's still only part of the screen which is
interesting so this is a duet it's actually two vertical videos yeah but you can do that when it's
oh is that why because they can't horizontally expand their currently vertical content oh that's
weird i don't know anyways yeah uh the feature marks uh another way that tick tock is competing
with youtube particularly in terms of attracting longer form video creators and increasing the max
video length to 10 minutes back in february we talked about that as well yeah i somewhat
questioned the attracting longer form video creators i mean i'm sure it will happen uh but
i have seen a bunch of stuff about monetization on tick tock and unless you're getting them sponsors
it's quite lacking yeah that's pretty tough i think that they're i mean obviously they're
not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're
not going to be able to attract long-form horizontal video creators without allowing
long-form videos that are horizontal well theoretically they do that now
but they're also not going to be able to attract long-form creators if they don't
implement some kind of reasonable revenue split i mean it'll it'll have to still be
in the funnel model right where you use things like tick tock to gain followers and fans and
then you funnel them elsewhere so that you can gain monetization from them or else
you won't be able to fund doing what you're trying to do um people sometimes talk about
the funnel model when you talk about twitch because like if you start on twitch you're
basically going to gain no one new until you're really really big so you have to funnel people
into there eventually um yeah yeah i'm trying to think of like what it would take for me to
start uploading our long form content on tick tock and the question isn't really could we do
it yeah of course of course we could like well as long as it's under 10 minutes yeah it could be
it could be fairly easily integrated into our workflow but why yeah why would we do it yeah
i guess is the question and i honestly this is a question that comes up a lot for me
why exactly is it that every social and online video platform feels the need
to just copy each other and become each other i kind of and this is this is probably just me
like old man yells at cloud you know like why does youtube need a a competitor for tick tock
why does it need these you know 30 second to one minute videos why can't youtube be youtube
and tick tock be tick tock and everyone is just fine with youtube being youtube and tick tock
being tick tock i do kind of wish platforms focused a little bit less on feature chasing
and a little bit more on like not being crap like we had a problem with teams the other day
yeah
the other day being i think yesterday no wait yeah yesterday um and it's just coming off of
that i'm just like man like i wish we could have used msn because it was more stable like i would
have expected everything we did pretty much to have worked on msn better than it did on teams
and that's crazy it's made by the same company but it's like two decades newer you'd think it
would be better and obviously in some ways it is i'm not that stupid but like it's just it's so
in unstable it's one of those things where i mean even stability aside what identity does a platform
have anymore yeah like i as someone who hasn't used facebook in quite some time other than to
occasionally get like a messenger chat from someone that i know that manes messenger um i
don't really understand what facebook's identity is anymore because they kind of have everything
and i feel the same way about youtube's
these days. What exactly is it that I go on to YouTube for? I mean, I understand what YouTube
wants me to do. They just want me to spend as much time as possible in their app. But beyond that,
what is your identity? What is your elevator pitch for, pretend I'm a completely new user.
I've never seen your platform before. I am choosing a video platform that I am going to
watch videos on. What's your pitch? Well, we've got this and we've got this and we've got this
and we've got this. And I'm like, okay, but right. But this elevator ride ended a while ago. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like YouTube out of all the ones that you mentioned almost
feels like it's the most focused. Sort of. I mean, not as much these days. Stories was a super weird
detour that has gotten basically no development since they launched it. You know, I've been saying
for a long time, I've been saying, I've been saying, I've been saying, I've been saying, I've
been saying for like two years now or something like that. I don't know, a long time. I've been
saying for a long time, like, hey, I understand that short form video is not going anywhere,
but I couldn't help noticing that shorts and stories are extremely disjointed.
Like why? I thought those were the same thing.
No. What is, what are they? Stories is the competitor for Instagram stories, which are,
what's the word? Ethereal, ephemeral, whatever. They're non-persistent.
Yeah. Yeah.
Um, ephemeral, I believe is the word. So non-persistent videos that are meant to be just
like a, like a casual update. Hi, this is definitely not totally rehearsed. And this
is absolutely the first time I recorded it. Let me just do this perfectly, uh, timed camera movement.
Bye. Uh, so that's a story, right? And then a short can be edited. You can put stickers on it.
It might have music or dancing or whatever else, but it's just a short form VOD effectively.
So stories are, so it's supposed to go in, in order of spontaneity from live to stories,
to shorts, to VOD, right? So it kind of sits in between live and, and shorts.
Okay. Uh, I didn't even know it existed.
Yeah. There are some cool things about it. One thing that's really neat is that you can reply
to a comment on a story with a story. So if you upload a story, that's like, hey, I'm here in my
garage. I just wanted to share this story with you. And then you can upload a story that's like,
I'm here in my garage. I just wanted to share some knowledge with you. And someone were to ask,
hey, what's the best knowledge you have in your garage? You could pull some knowledge out of it
and be like, this is my favorite knowledge. And that story would have a, uh, it would actually
have the comment, like the original comment. And so you just reply to it directly. You don't have
to say, hey, someone asked me what my favorite knowledge is. And this is it. And that's the
ephemeral content. Yeah. So it goes up for a little while and then it just like goes away.
And it actually like got a lot of views. I don't know.
I don't know what those view numbers meant. I don't know what percentage of the video they
watched or, or whatever else, but. Jaden said like YouTube video replies from 15 years ago.
I know. Right. Yeah. And I think there's a lot of room for, for development there. Like they
could have taken stories and turned it into a cameo like feature, for example, that could have
been extremely powerful for creator monetization. I, I pitched something earlier. I would love to
be able to reply to like a highly uploaded story. I would love to be able to reply to like a highly
uploaded video comment with a story. They should take something from OnlyFans and do paid requests.
Uh, paid requests. Oh, oh, where you just send a message to the creator. Well, I, is that,
is that that different from cameo? I don't know how it actually works. Okay. Cameo is you,
you. I don't know how it works on either. So on cameo, you set a price and it's like,
you know, $20 or $200. Like it's kind of all over the place and people will basically send
you a request. Hey, can you wish Jeremy happy birthday? He likes tigers, you know, or whatever.
And then they'll record it and fire it over to you. Okay. So is that kind of what. I don't know
how it works. So it might be exactly the same. Yeah. I think it's, I think it's fairly similar.
Okay. Yeah. But I know you can like ask for something and say that you'll, I think you can,
I don't, I genuinely don't. That's why I don't know how it works. Whatever. Stop it. Uh, I think
you can ask for something custom. Like say you wanted, um, pictures of something. You could ask
for it and say, you'll pay a certain amount, right? So if you could do that on YouTube,
if you could ask a YouTube creator for a video of something and say, you'd pay a certain amount,
that could be an interesting monetization. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I mean,
another thing too, is that one of the, I would admit it if I used it, it's not that weird.
One of the things that YouTube is not shy about pushing is channel memberships.
So,
There's Super Thanks, I believe, is a way that you can boost a comment under a video.
Members are supposed to get some kind of priority NVIDIA comments.
Oh, okay.
I would see replying to a channel member with a story as a way that you could incentivize people to sign up and become members of the channel.
And because we have Floatplane, it's not something that you'd be likely to see us do a ton of.
But if I was a niche creator, a smaller creator, or even a larger one who was completely YouTube-focused, I could see stuff like that being extremely powerful.
But, hey, I'm not in charge of YouTube, obviously, so I guess they'll just keep not developing meaningful ways for creators to interact with their viewers, and that'll be great.
Yeah, pretty much.
Neat.
As for TikTok, I just...
I don't know.
I just don't...
I wish it would die.
It won't, though.
I know.
They apparently now outrank YouTube for average minutes per day spent by people ages 4 to 18.
Who is putting their 4-year-old on TikTok?
That was my biggest reaction to that, was that you started with 4.
Whoa.
Wow.
True Scott asks, would you take the CEO job for YouTube if they offered it to you?
How do I put this?
I don't think they can afford me.
We...
I think this is going to be the year, Luke.
I think this is going to be the year that LTT Store revenue eclipses video production revenue.
They've dropped some bangers.
We also did, I think, Backpack and Screwdriver this year.
We did.
Yeah.
Well, don't worry.
There's bangers coming next year, too.
Yeah.
I'm almost ready to start teasing some pretty cool stuff.
One of them was in a video.
Oh, what?
Yeah.
What was it?
I think it got reported.
What was it?
Just tell me.
Well.
I'm ready.
It was in a video?
Do you know what I'm talking about?
No.
Well, I don't know how many people noticed it was there.
I don't know if I want to say anything.
Oh, did we remove it?
I don't know, to be honest.
I say go for it.
You put the thing in the thing?
I'll say it that way.
What?
Oh, the shape sorter.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's fine.
Okay.
We can talk about the shape sorter.
No, no.
That's not going to be a banger.
No.
Yeah.
That's a new product.
Yeah.
We'll sell some and babies will play with them and it'll be cute.
Yeah.
But no, no.
We're getting products actually.
I know.
Sorry.
I know a lot of people that are getting the like baby stuff this year for Christmas off
the store.
Like a lot of people our age know people that have small babies.
Yeah.
And a lot of them that I know have casually mentioned, oh, yeah, by the way, I'm getting
like one of the books in a plushie or whatever else.
And I'm like, all right.
Sales have been very good of the book and plushies lately.
No.
One of the things we have coming.
I already teased to Lauren from Tasty PC, a shorty version of the screwdriver short.
Oh, only six bits.
And it's like this long.
So it's meant to be kind of like palmed, but it still has the full, full fat ratchet mechanism
and still has the magnetic retention for the bits in the shaft.
Shaft is way shorter as well.
Way shorter.
And then handles going to be like super short.
Like, like basically the whole, the whole thing end to end is about this long.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
Yeah.
So we're working on a shorty.
So we're working on a shorty version of the screwdriver.
There's, there's some potential leaks, which you can maybe go off of because it talks about
us hiring.
Also, we're looking for an electronics engineer and then it lists a bunch of things.
Do we want to say all of these?
Oh, yeah.
Why don't we talk about that?
Yeah, we, we haven't got a ton of applications, just having the electronics engineer position
up on the site.
So we're, we're, we're shouting it out on the WAN Show, guys.
Here are some examples of projects you will be working.
On if you join our engineering team, potentially, um, a mouse.
I don't think we've ever talked about that before.
I don't think so, but it's been on the dog that has been in development for over a year.
Uh, we actually have some pretty good ideas for how to differentiate.
Like that's my, that's my whole thing.
If we're not adding anything to the conversation, why are we doing this?
I promise you we will be adding something to the conversation.
Um, the gamer battery bank slash shoe dryer.
Um, the reason it has.
The reason it has shoe dryer on the case, stop, be nice.
The reason it has shoe dryer on there is because that was the original reason that I wanted it.
I just wanted something that you can like throw in your realistically, not in your shoe, but actually just like in your bag.
Uh, have I talked to you about it before?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
So the idea is it's something you can just huck in your bag and it'll run for like eight hours and having Kyle tested it.
And he was like, you're right.
He was like, not happy.
He was like, what?
Tiny little fan.
Like that.
I can't make that much of a difference.
I was like, no, no, even a little bit of airflow is like huge.
And so over eight hours, uh, how quickly a bet of just like a, a gym bag would dry out compared to if it didn't have even that tiny amount of airflow in it was like, it was a colossal difference.
It was like half the time or something like that.
And when it comes to preventing bacteria growth and therefore smell, the faster you can dry something out, the better.
You don't want it to just sit there.
Damp anyway.
The shoe.
Dryer may or may not ever come to life, but a lot of the work that we did on the shoe dryer is going to be absolutely reusable for the gamer battery bank.
What makes a battery bank gamer?
I will get back to you on that one, but there, that we, we have a clear differentiating value add there.
And I'm really, really excited about it.
Uh, another one, the RGB doormat.
Okay.
This one has been under, this one's been in development for almost two years.
It's just been stalled by screwdriver.
So much of the pipeline has been.
Stalled by screwdriver.
That makes sense.
Uh, cause Kyle was working on this one and he pivoted full-time to screwdriver.
Um, we are working on cables.
Um, I want a battery tester.
Okay.
You know, those things you can buy for like four bucks and it just has like a little pinchy thing and you put your battery in it.
They suck.
Yeah.
They, even when they work, they barely work and I hate them and you can go get a multimeter and like, you know, or like.
Create yourself a little jig to put your batteries in and hook the multimeter up to that or whatever.
But I want more, I want way more than just how many volts I'm getting out of the battery.
I want a product that will do a discharge and recharge cycle and tell me how much capacity is left in a rechargeable battery.
So obviously I want to be able to quickly test disposables and go, okay, which ones go in the bin, which ones go in the other, more different bin.
But this is a problem that I can't be the only one who has.
It's like, I have rechargeable batteries that are like 15 years old because I'm smart and I buy rechargeable batteries and use them for a very, very long time.
But how good is that one?
Should that one be, should I be marking that one as like, you know, TV remote duty only, or could I potentially still use it in a hydro device?
Has it not been cycled that many times?
I don't know.
And so I want a device that will tell me the remaining capacity of the battery.
I, man, I'd be so excited to have that product.
And I think a lot of people would.
Um, there is one that exists that we found, but it's like $400 and I'm looking at it going, well, that's not reasonable.
Right.
I think we can do better.
Um, we want to do like wireless charging pucks and desk accessories, um, extended PC access.
So this is, this would, man, are we really disclosing all of this?
Okay.
It's in the DAW.
I was stunned when I read this for the show.
Okay.
I was like, okay.
Uh, okay.
You know what?
I'm not going to say any more.
All right.
Uh, cool.
Okay.
This one's funny.
I don't think this came from me.
An RGB tissue box for the haters.
I have no idea.
Uh, anyway, cool.
So those are some of the things that we, that we want to work on slash have been working on for quite some time.
Hopefully they all come to life and are huge successes.
We're going to have some stuff at CES, by the way.
Did you know that?
Creator Warehouse is going to CES and they're going to be unveiling some stuff.
I didn't know they're going to be unveiling stuff.
Yeah.
They're going to be, they're going to be showing stuff there.
That's cool.
Which is pretty cool.
I think they're also trying to recruit other creators.
Uh, there's a creator that, um, we actually, I was talking with recently that I was like, Hey, like, do you guys want to do a screwdriver?
All you gotta do is redo one mold like that.
We intentionally only put our branding on one small mold with the idea.
Being that if anyone else wanted to brand our screwdriver, all they would have to do is redo that one mold and then boom, we could produce whoever tech tips is screwdrivers.
Um, I think that would be like super cool.
Making, making the, making screwing better one driver at a time.
Oh boy.
Oh, in other creator merch news, I got Ludwig's bidet.
Oh, okay.
I.
Haven't installed it yet because in North America, it is actually not that typical to have a power outlet right next to your toilet.
Um, so there, well, yeah, but like, really?
That's what I did.
Yeah.
Okay.
Great.
But yeah, like I, I don't want, I mean, it's routed.
I don't know where the plug in your place would be.
Well, it was in a completely separate room.
Oh, that's a lot worse.
Like the, the main, the main bedroom on suite.
Um, has a, like a little like toilet room in it.
Oh, that room does not have a plug in it.
Okay.
And so the nearest outlet was you go out of that room across like my entire vanity and then like it's over here.
So basically it would be going like across my countertop.
Yeah.
Into that room.
Yeah.
It's not good.
And that's how you can go through a doorway.
It's like, yeah, that's not that cool.
Yeah.
So I had, uh, I had the very talented electricians who worked on our place come out and put in an outlet.
For me, uh, next to, next to the toilet.
And I'm going to be installing it this weekend.
My butt will be the cleanest it's been since our trip to Japan.
It was, it was mind, mind opening, um, seeing like the Japanese standard for toilets.
Like when we were over there, uh, I don't think you went with me to this, like one place that I went, but there was a long car ride that I had to be on for some reason.
It was like three hours or something like that.
Yeah.
I needed to stop to use the washroom on the way.
The driver didn't speak a lick of English, uh, but I managed to gesture like, you know, and he, he figured it out.
And anyway, we pull over at this like essentially truck stop and it had a toilet in it.
That was nicer than any toilet I've ever seen on this continent.
It's like, what is this?
I don't understand.
It's kind of sweet though.
Yeah, it was pretty amazing.
I, I was very impressed.
Hey, we should probably do a couple of merch messages for those who are not familiar.
Merch messages are the way to send a message to the show.
You'll see our producer, Dan.
Hello, producer, Dan.
See you later.
Producer Dan, uh, replying to merch messages down there.
Uh, also Dan will flag certain merch messages for Luke and for me and Luke to respond to, uh, why don't we do a couple, uh, all you do is go on lttstore.com.
You can.
Check out and you'll see a little box that says, Hey, would you like to leave a merch message?
They're live right now and you guys can go ahead and do that and you should either get your message showing up down here.
You can get a little reply from Dan or we might even talk about it on the show.
Want to hit me, Dan?
Sure.
I've got one here from Jayden Linus.
Uh, how are you still using Plex instead of MB or Jellyfin?
I run all three in Docker containers, accessing the same library with no issues on the same server.
Plex calls home to about 500 different places.
Well, MB and Jelly both don't.
You're not the first to ask me this.
Uh, the first to ask me this, I think was, uh, Ooh, I, I'm going to hate myself if I get this wrong, but Tim from the Labs team.
Um, if I recall correctly, I believe it's Tim who is a huge Jellyfin guy, not a Plex guy.
And basically was like, what, how are you still using Plex?
The answer is because my license.
Oh, oh yeah, there's that.
Uh, but I think Jellyfin is open source and free anyway.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure Jellyfin is open source.
Yeah.
The free software media system.
Um, but more importantly, my Plex is already set up and already works.
However, I have actually had enough problems with Plex that we are no, we, we have a conditional, uh, not working with you.
Um, I don't want to, I don't know if I would call it an order, but.
Yeah.
But basically I told, I told the sales team that we're not going to work with Plex until they resolve some of my long time issues with it.
Um, some of my long time issues include, um, the fact that it doesn't advance to the next episode properly on some of my devices.
And I'm like, this is ridiculous.
That's like fundamental.
Uh, one of my long time issues is that, um, oh yeah, right, right, right.
Downloading local copies to mobile devices.
Has, as far as I can tell, been completely broken for like over a year.
Uh, again, that's something that I consider to be core functionality.
Uh, they seem to be very focused on developing, you know, Plex TV and some of the other features that are not why I have it.
I have it so that it will manage my media library and so that I can watch my media library on all my devices.
Anything else is utterly irrelevant and might as well not exist.
Um, yeah, download to download to local just does not work for me properly on Android or iOS.
I, it, this came about because of a recent trip that I went on, uh, with the kids and I wanted to load up devices with movies and TV shows for the plane.
And between my son's one plus seven, something, whenever they did that McLaren edition, he's got that one between my son's one plus my wife's Samsung, my Samsung foldable.
So I expect some weird.
This, but my other more different Samsung and my iPhone 13, I couldn't get any one of those devices to reliably download content.
I, some of them went through, but you can't just queue it up and expect it to finish.
And I basically sent out an irate email in the middle of the night as I'm preparing for this, like 5 0 AM flight that was like, we are not working with them again until this is fixed.
Um, so yeah, I, I might be at that point now.
Cause that's yeah.
I guess.
Again, that's, it's, it's fundamental.
Like it works great for certain things.
I have no desire to use anything other than Plex and the NVIDIA shield for the theater room.
I don't touch anything else.
There's just no reason to, right.
Everything is flawless and perfect, but on mobile devices, I have just not had a lot of fun with it.
So I, yeah, I don't know.
Maybe, yeah, maybe I'll give jellyfin a shot because one of the other things that I'm going to be doing soon is, uh, switching off.
Of unraid for, for my Plex or I guess jellyfin and, uh, firing it up on true NAS scale.
Uh, so I've switched to true NAS for most storage, but I haven't gotten around to setting up a Docker container for Plex.
So I actually still have all the media on my, my older server, which doesn't matter to me that much because the main reason that I migrated was due to reliability concerns.
Those are really old drives in there now.
Yeah.
Um, and so if I like, like, like what I'm going to lose a couple of Blu-ray rips.
That's not a big deal to me.
Whereas like losing pictures and home videos would be, would be catastrophic.
Okay.
I've got another one here from Christopher.
Hey guys, with the popularity of handhelds like Steam Deck, do you think AMD or Intel will explore putting GDDR on the CPU package for the iGPU to use?
And if so, do you think even two gigabytes would be, uh, improving the performance?
Oh, okay.
Well, there's a couple of different angles.
That we can approach this from.
So first of all, I doubt that AMD or Intel would do it.
I think that AMD might do it, but it would be a custom Silicon product kind of like, I mean, really this, what this sounds like to me is an Xbox or a PlayStation processor.
Like they've done for the last couple of generations in those cases, it's not on package, but it's designed to interact directly with GDDR memory.
And the operating system is designed to use that same GDDR memory for both system memory and graphics memory.
Um, I think that solution is pretty good.
Yeah.
It, it, it seems to work pretty darn well for game consoles.
Yeah.
But there are a couple of concerns.
So one, your suggestion of putting just a couple of gigs, unfortunately wouldn't really work because it's, oh man.
Oh, okay.
Maybe it could, maybe you could load assets into your higher speed GDDR memory until it's full and then go out to main memory.
But the problem with that is that GDDR memory is faster than non G than regular GDR memory, but it's not that much faster.
So it's, it's not like using an SSD to cash a hard drive.
Like it's not an order of magnitude faster.
So using it as a.
Cache, I think would have so much overhead that you would actually lose more than you would gain by doing it that way.
So what you would have to do then is you would have to put the full amount of memory that you intend to have in this product on package like that.
Now, Apple has gone and put system memory on package, not on die, but on package.
And so I, I, I don't see any reason why we couldn't see something like that in the future, but I doubt that that's something that.
AMD or especially Intel would just productize and hope that somebody's gonna buy it.
Yeah, that's the kind of thing that valve might have to come to AMD and say, Hey, we're gonna pay the, however many millions upon millions of dollars for you guys to do the R and D to build this product.
And we are then gonna sell millions upon millions of steam decks and it's gonna be great.
Um, my other concern about sharing that.
Memory.
Cause I, I would kind of imagine that that would be a shared memory.
I mean, if you're gonna have like a super high speed memory that's sitting on package, well, heck you might as well use it for everything.
But I don't, this is just something that I'm not gonna be able to speak to very well because I simply don't know enough about it.
But I would have concerns about performance and compatibility with regular PC games that are designed to, uh, have two different memory pools.
So.
You've got your GPU, you've got your VRAM, and then you've got your system memory.
I don't know how they would handle those being one end the same.
Then again, I don't know if you ever saw this video, but there was that, that super weird Chinese console that actually did take that approach.
Oh, and ran Windows.
Oh, and seemed to run games.
So maybe it's fine, but there's a drawback because GDDR memory, even though it's very high bandwidth is also higher latency.
Compared to regular GDDR memory, which is not good for CPUs.
So I don't know.
Yeah.
HBM.
Sure.
How much you want to spend on a steam deck?
Yeah.
900 bucks.
Let's go.
Yeah.
HBM memory.
So, uh, yeah, from like, uh, from a tech, yeah.
From a technology standpoint, there's no reason it couldn't be done, but from a practical standpoint, I don't see it happening anytime soon.
Uh, NW.
Gat asks, uh, what about Xbox and PlayStation?
Yes, but that memory is not on package.
The question was what about right next to the CPU die?
Because the closer the memory gets, the lower the latency, which is great.
But the more integrated this product is, and the less generally useful it is like AMD can't take that product that they developed for steam deck five or whatever it is, and just put it in a box and sell it at new egg.
So ultimately that cost of developing, it has to be covered by someone and that someone is going to be a customer.
That's not going to be AMD.
They're not just going to build that and hope somebody buys it.
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What topic would you like to talk about next?
Let's jump over here.
Elon Musk is not a free speech absolutionist, perhaps?
Sure, let's do it.
Let's get through it quickly.
Yeah, I like that.
I like that idea.
So lots of things have happened on Twitter.
There's been the Twitter files stuff.
There's been, I think, every 12 hours they try to drop some type of craziness on Twitter to keep the users rolling.
So it's been a little bit too much to cover.
We haven't been covering it as much as when this stuff first came out.
I think we're all getting a little tired, but what we have talked on the show about before is Elon Jet, the Twitter account that used to track, well, Elon's jet, if you couldn't figure that out.
And there were other similar ones for other high-profile public figures using publicly available jet information to...
That's an important one because it's not like this information is now gone because the Twitter account is gone.
No.
It's just...
No.
It's not being automatically posted on Twitter, but it got that information from a public resource that anyone can access.
So the information is 100% still there and able to be accessed by anyone.
It's not like this person had privileged information is what I'm trying to say.
So that person who, again, we've talked about this on the show, Elon offered them $5K to delete their account way back.
They asked, how about $50K?
They wanted a Model 3.
And I think...
Like an actual fan was the one doing it, which is sort of interesting.
Yeah.
I think it was $50K so that I can buy a Model 3.
Yeah, I believe so.
Yeah.
Elon refused.
And if I remember correctly, and I don't really want to misquote this.
Oh, no, here it is.
He tweeted a while back.
And he hasn't taken this down and a bunch of people have been roasting him for it.
So it's still up.
But he tweeted on November 6th, 2022.
My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account.
Following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk.
He has now banned the account tracking his plane.
He has also and this is where things get a little bit hazy for me.
He has also banned a bunch of other accounts that as far as I can tell, talked about.
I don't know.
Genuinely, I think it's talked about.
It might be retweeted.
But yeah.
Interacted with me.
Interacted with that account.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure where the cutoff of interaction is.
Yeah.
But some level of interacted with or talked about or something.
That account have also been banned.
Just like right off the hop.
Change the rule.
Banned.
Yeah.
Elon also suspended the accounts of at least six journalists who have covered the Twitter saga,
implying that they had doxxed his real time location and endangered his family.
As of now, there is no evidence.
Any of the journalists did.
This well, I mean, the accounts are closed, so you wouldn't be able to get whatever Twitter has not provided any they don't.
As far as I know, their entire public communication side is gone, just like he did with Tesla.
Yeah.
So so I don't think there would be like these things are not going to happen, basically.
Yeah.
Elon posted a video on Wednesday of someone that he claimed was a crazy stalker who climbed on the roof of the car carrying his child X.
Which seems like a thing that someone might do.
Yeah, that would.
Yeah.
I mean, I like that scenario would absolutely suck.
Yeah.
You probably want wouldn't want someone to try to block the road of a car that has your child in it and climb on the roof of said vehicle.
Yeah, that would be I suspect if someone was a parent and that happened to their child, they would be pretty freaking.
Absolute red line.
Yes, exactly.
Yep.
Um, yeah, he he posted that.
One thing that I thought was somewhat entertaining.
Was, you know, how he's been doing a lot of the video was the issue with the video is that it's not on topic.
None of those journalists had anything to do with that.
So, well, I think the my assumption was that it had something to do with his plane landed and then they were trying to drive away from where it was and they were followed by this person.
Okay, so the root of the information was the plane.
Oh, that's my I don't know if that's what's going on there.
That's my level of understanding.
Sure.
Um, yeah, I don't think things are a little crazy over in Twitter land.
Um, Zach from Jerry rig everything.
Yeah, here I've got this got banned by by Elon or blocked by Elon.
Sorry.
Yeah, not banned off the platform.
I said that incorrect.
He got blocked by Elon because in the video of as far as I can tell, one of the security guys getting video coverage of the person who chased them and then also covering the lights or not covering the license plate.
Yeah.
Video footage of the license plate that Elon tweeted out Jerry Rig.
Everything responded and said, Yo, contact the police.
Don't send your mob.
Didn't you just tweet that dousing is against Twitter rules and Elon blocked him?
Didn't ban him.
Yeah.
So that's neat.
Just blocked.
Um, yeah, yeah, the some suspension seemed to be specifically affecting people who point out Elon's hypocrisy.
Uh, shortly.
before his band uh band ban mashable reporter matt binder binder sorry uh posted screen caps
of elon encouraging people to invest in tesla the day he dumped 3.6 billion in stock um
so that's pretty good um but like the eu and the un published statements condemning twitter's
decision oh man uh oh yeah oh oh that's not even in here but mastodon's official account has been
uh banned yeah so you are not allowed and you can't link to mastodon anymore either
but i think people can still put their like mastodon usernames or whatever yeah in their
profile yeah but i think you just can't link to the site yeah we'll see when that happens yeah
uh when that happens that'll be a lot of people nick showed me you know i i was with you
until nick showed me something really interesting today where i i think your take on sort of the
uh some of the hysteria around oh it's just twitter's gonna collapse immediately was like
well like it's it's it's running like it's it's not gonna just immediately fall apart yeah nick
showed me a recording on his phone today of the twitter app doing some weird stuff dude
did he show you that okay so he showed me a screen recording
of him tapping on the same picture in a tweet three times
and it having three completely different behaviors once it opens the picture once
it navigates to a totally unrelated website oh a sec and a third time oh that one's weird it opens
up a completely unrelated tweet and i'm like what because i haven't seen anything that's pretty fun
i haven't seen anything that bad but honestly i've not been using it as much like i i think i've talked
to you about this but i've had myself on like a twitter diet or whatever for a while yeah yeah
like i i set my i set my app time limit to 30 minutes like months ago just because i realized
i'm doing so much doom scrolling on twitter and it's not really contributing anything it's not
making me feel better i've been i've been getting myself i haven't done that but i've been getting
myself to be more busy and i just haven't had the time which is a good solution in my opinion um
but yeah i mean twitter's done weird stuff for a while that's pretty weird that's weirder than
anything i've seen for sure um i still don't think it's necessarily going down anytime soon
also uh there are still claims i don't know how true it is necessarily um there are still claims
that uh what was it oh right users have peaked again oh yeah apparently because of the banning
of people i guess people reacting to the
that are coming to twitter and going what's going on oh i could see that yeah i could see that i
don't know we've hit another peak i don't know that those users are going to interact in the
long term so what this means for the for the long-term health of the platform i couldn't
tell you i mean maybe there's a big brain 4d chess play more and more big names permanently leave
that's an interesting one to me permanent's a big word though yeah
permanently gone in a year if the dust settles i don't know yeah yeah but okay
another thing that i'll bring up about the the like uh twitter stability thing is people were
saying it was going to be down in like a couple days yeah which is like clearly ridiculous that's
the main thing that i was reacting to back then is it was at first it was like oh it's gonna be
down in a couple days and then they were like oh it's gonna be down by the weekend or whatever i
don't remember what that was and then they were like oh it's not gonna last until the next week
well there was like the lettuce the lettuce comparison lettuce thing which no one talks
about anymore probably because the lettuce is gross now um like the the goal post just kept
over and over and over and over and over again i'm like okay relax um yeah the the new king
twitter spaces thing okay this is another one where like i i've heard about so much stuff
happens on twitter and i just hate all of it because i hate twitter i have then this isn't
new just in case anyone's like not new take i have hated twitter for years way before any of
this even started so this is don't even try to pull that out um but apparently there was a
twitter spaces going on and some people started and he joined it no i think it was one of the band
journalists or something or suspended ones oh right they could still join spaces they could
still join spaces but couldn't tweet or something like that and he like joined it and elon joined
the space and like they asked him some questions and then he left and then disabled the spaces
feature all together just killed it and then brought it back like the next day or something
are we seeing are we seeing this new level of escalation as a result of him getting booed with
dave chappelle like is that because like i gotta tell you guys as a public figure if i went out on
a stage was like introduced and i mean that sucks for anyone and i thought that like i was cool
and i thought that people were gonna think i was pretty cool
and i think pretty much regardless of how big your ego is if you go up
in a in a public speaking environment in front of what is it probably a ton of people well i mean
it's a it's a it's a dave chappelle live show so i have to imagine hundreds if not thousands i don't
know how big you go in front of that many people and they boo you hard like that's gonna hurt
yeah like pretty much no matter who you are and so i guess the knee-jerk reaction is to quiet
try to try to eliminate criticism wasn't this supposed to be a good quick topic that is that
is fair um but it has no reason to be a good topic that is fair um but it has no reason to be a good topic
not been 20 minutes hammy 3d banned turn off Floatplane live chat turn it turn it off now
aj's like i don't even know if we could do that i just don't you know i just don't get it right
because like yeah he spent his whole career being criticized like i spend my whole career being
criticized it's not new it's just that the criticizing is the criticism is ramping up because
the things you're doing are awful the current volume so why would you double down and do way
more awful stuff i think that's a pretty normal human response it's not going to
help i'm not saying it's a good one but i think it's a pretty normal human response going to help
though yeah i don't disagree we we both go take a drink we both do the like lean away lean away
thing i didn't realize we both did that um yeah some people are talking about like uh freedom of
speech and stuff like that what about it what does it stands
for nothing yeah get over it one of the problems with the plane thing is again that that is that
is public information plane plane routes planes with transponders on you can figure out where
they are like that's and you planes need transponders yeah um so that's the thing
yeah and now apparently promote installing trains there you go apparently it's just on
reddit now so he strice and affected the shit out of it yeah and like that that's what i was
saying removing the twitter account didn't remove the information it just stopped the twitter
account all of that is still public if people really wanted to know they are going to find it
it's out there like i don't know anyways let's get off of twitter yeah let's do that are we doing
that are are we pacting that now getting off of twitter yeah i'm not getting off of twitter
but
my problem is there are people that i must communicate with that communicate with me
through twitter dms i'm one of those people who's very chat app agnostic like here's my here's my
social folder i have pretty similar to mine i i'm missing i think two of those hangouts instagram
whatsapp facebook messenger uh we chat line teams discord yeah it's just we chat in line i don't
have those
i don't even have my sms app in there and i have other ones that you don't have in there actually
now that i think about it oh what you got what you got hit me up icq telegram at the very least
oh i have signal signal yeah or wait yeah no yeah both of those actually telegram and signal
signal's not in there because i don't use it much but yeah yeah i have it
et cetera et cetera like yeah i'm on all of them as well um and and there are there are
like just like with facebook i only really use facebook to private message certain people just
like with twitter yep i need it because there are people that i have to be able to get dms from
yep for like my job so you're stuck with it so i'm gonna keep using it yep yeah pretty much
there it is we chat on a western phone crazy to trust that did i say i trust it
i have it some people that i might need to talk to might not have western chat apps right
yeah hey there you go i mean that's the thing like i just i don't that's this is one of the
reasons that i don't understand the whole i message thing it's like oh yeah i love it i
messaged what it's like it's like having a phone that only connects to certain lines
why would you want it get like so if you need to why don't you just get a phone that connects to
every line like you like imagine imagine trying to sell an email service where the main feature
is that you can
only email people who are on the same domain how the is that a feature that's a bug
or like if you email someone who's on a different service it's a degraded experience
it's like you get to shame them for being poor they can't afford this email
i just i think there's some i.t security stuff where you can only email people in the same
domain but that's like obviously we're talking about something yeah that's a completely different
totally different thing yeah yeah i don't know i i it is what it is so i'm not going
to be able to do that i'm not going to be able to do that i'm not going to be able to do that
i'm going to be completely getting off of twitter but i effectively don't create new tweets anymore
i like reply to stuff sometimes i interact with things sometimes but like i think my most recent
tweet was the ovh video because i wanted to reblast it because i like that video i was trying
to help promote it the one before that i think i'm like roasting you on your birthday and then
i don't even remember what's before that but it's probably like a year ago i don't know i don't know
or something like i i basically don't use the platform anymore because i do not like it oh man
this isn't in the dock unfortunately but did you see that it looks like the eu is going to force
apple to allow side loading yeah wait i thought this was in the dock is it uh maybe i'm just i read
notes on it did you yeah did i just like completely miss it i don't know i don't see it for some reason
i think it was something
we were going to talk about anyway that could be amazing that sounds great yeah go eu there's i mean
not everything but but definitely this definitely this i hope we're not missing it because i saw it
as a topic i'm like certain um because they were talking about how there's some people that are
countering it uh because they're saying if you allow side loading and that becomes common uh
things like facebook
and these other major applications might try to leave the app store so they can get around
the payment cut and if that happens then we're going to lose the security layer and people are
upset about that okay then don't install any of those apps that are not in the app store
don't ever use a computer it's called user choice any kind of computer yeah and it's it's really
interesting to me when i hear the argument that the user choice is to not use an iphone uh okay
but okay
but no no user user choice and and fair and open competition is uh doesn't just mean well then okay
you just can't then you're just completely locked out of one of the only two vendors in the duopoly
that is smartphones um and also by the way both of them are behaving in exactly the same
monopolistic way uh this is this is bad and we actually do need less legislation to fix this
yeah
so there you go yeah i think it's cool as well though let's go yeah yeah i'm pretty excited
yeah we got a couple of other pretty interesting topics uh epic games is shutting down servers for
a bunch of old games again okay like a lot so i i should have followed up on this and i didn't
that is my bad this topic was shared with me uh where is it let me just search for epic
i think there's some extra juice on this oh um where i think they have
have been removing games from stores as well interesting uh so in while he's looking that
up the affected games include a thousand tiny claws dance central one two and three the vr
online multiplayer will remain up green day rock band monsters probably stole my princess rock band
one two and three the beatles rock band supersonic acrobatic rocket powered battle cars unreal gold
unreal to the awakening unreal tournament 2003 unreal tournament 2004 unreal tournament three
though that one will be reactivated and re-released for free as unreal tournament 3x
it is already renamed it is barred from sale on steam and that'll be on epic online services in
the future with cross play between steam epic game store and good old games unreal tournament
game of the year edition um the master server has been up in some form or another since 1999 so
goodbye it is possible to specify a master server manually though so players could use
for free the master server has been up in some form or another since 1999 so
example old unreal via unreal.ini tweaks battle breakers unreal tournament alpha rock band blitz
rock band companion app and sing space some games like unreal tournament game of the year have
support for direct ip connections and should still be playable without the master server browser
and most also feature local multiplayer options but once again luke and i are bringing up how
horrible this is and what it will mean for the next round of server
end of life's when you just are utterly unable to use these software titles that you paid for excuse me
uh rented it's very frustrating uh did you find what you were looking to talk about no um i think
it all right here we go one second the reason close okay the reason for it is that uh epic is
pushing to support its epic online services system which they say will provide a unified
friend system voice chat parental controls and parental verification features okay um i guess
yeah like some is this in here yeah like unreal gold real gold i don't know a ton about this game
and yeah like if you look up unreal gold on steam right now it says notice unreal gold is no longer
available on the steam store yep so if you didn't get it that's it
and there didn't appear to be a ton of warning for this
recent reviews are apparently like this is a single player game or it's listed as a single
player game on on steam so it's it's not that they just like because this is talking about turning
off servers right yeah epic says some titles will still work offline while there's not be playable
at all so unreal gold is not sold anymore i guess i mean was anyone really buying it i don't know
1998 it's not really the point though i know it just sucks yeah just sucks yeah but my game in
history unreal gold is just like the first one on the list so that's what i dove into but i don't
i don't know if like some of these other ones are also off the store it also sounds like like
there's a note lower down somewhere to do where like the game is being re-released i don't remember
which one that's unreal uh three unreal tournament three
yeah being re-released as unreal 3x yeah i already talked about that barred from the steam sale and
it's on epic game services so i feel like part of this is trying to get it to move to their own stuff
well yeah absolutely it is epic seems to be the only other game store owner that is still holding
holding out it's like no no we will we're gonna compete with steam everyone else has come crawling
back oh except blizzard uh activision blizzard is still on the blizzard won't
i am 100 certain blizzard won't um because they've been doing it a lot longer but ea ubi
they're back yeah they're back baby because blizzard had their own launcher back when
tons of things had their own launcher and they actually had like a launcher for it and everyone
got used to using it before steam just like ran everything because they blizzard was doing an mmo
and back in the day steam didn't support mmos through steam right effectively um
so like yeah people just got used to it i don't think blizzard is ever gonna bail uh blizzard is
getting people pretty used to launching no you can just buy cod through so activision part of blizzard
is still using steam i guess but but don't expect by diablo 4. yeah yeah on steam yeah i think
that's where we're at yep yeah ubi caved recently yep matter of time Anthony's take um you know how
long should game companies really be expected to keep older games afloat though and to epic's credit
A lot of their older games using Unreal Engine
are very open and easily modded.
Not all of these games are though.
Regardless of how long they were supported for though,
IMO, once they sunset games,
they should release the server software and tools
for the community to restore them.
Yeah, so my point isn't actually at all
how long companies should be expected
to keep games afloat.
I can totally understand if you're like,
man, we have zero users on almost every day,
not wanting to keep those servers going.
But it is entirely based around those companies
releasing the server softwares and tools
needed for the community to restore them,
like Anthony said.
That is where literally my entire argument lies
because the only thing I'm worried about
at a certain point,
because you brought up like,
how many people are still playing this?
Yeah, that's very valid for a lot of games.
Probably no one.
Yeah.
Probably literally no one.
But people should be able to down the line
if you want to for like literally historical reasons.
Yep.
Like we shouldn't lose the entire history
of video game development.
That would be really depressing.
Like it's actually a huge deal.
Yeah.
Just like HardwareBot removed our Y Cruncher world record.
Yeah, what happened there?
Well, we released a video recently
setting a world record for calculating
2.5 billion digits of pi in Y Cruncher.
You guys would have seen us submit the results live,
but HardwareBot actually removed our score
from the leaderboards.
Why?
Is it because they're bad people?
No, it's because we didn't submit the screenshot right
and we didn't have CPU-Z or GPU-Z open in the screenshot.
So we could actually probably grab a still from the video
and resubmit it.
But I told Adam that that's probably not worth the time
to set up the server again and run it again
and like submit it again.
So we're not going to do that.
It was definitely fun setting some world records
and I'll know, I'll know we had it.
But apparently it's unofficial now.
It's unofficial.
Yeah.
What's this?
Linus and Luke react to Linus dropping things 2022 edition?
So this is kind of an amazing,
this is a really well edited video.
Oh.
It's got, how many views does this have now?
It's kind of ridiculous.
Let me just,
yeah, 450,000 views.
Oh, how am I on an account
that doesn't have premium right now?
Me too.
We're crying out loud.
Oh, oh geez.
Yeah.
Here comes another one.
It's nine and a half minutes long.
No, no, no, no, no, I skipped it.
Oh, oh yeah.
Should I, should we have sound for this?
Do you want to have sound?
Mine, mine is muted.
I don't know which one of us you're watching.
Oh, him.
Yeah.
Ports on this thing.
We're going with the 12900.
Let me make sure you guys can hear it.
Don't worry, I caught it with the foot.
Because the KS, the KS wasn't out yet.
Oh, I can hear it.
Look at that.
It's awesome.
I know, right?
Can you hear it Luke?
Yes.
Do you know how to pull the steam back?
I thought there was something wrong
and I realized, cause I need to watch that one.
Uh oh, I think I've got an echo from you.
We never, we never work on that.
They don't hear you.
Oh, cool.
Or like I can text him, whoa.
That was a good one.
Call and tell me a little story.
Say a little story.
All right, all right, that's enough of that story.
This was actually last week, but we missed it.
And that was not intentional.
Not a word.
That wasn't intentional either.
Not a word.
Anyway, it's too long for us to watch the whole thing
on WAN Show, but I just, I definitely felt
the comedic timing of the edit was better
than most of things like this that I've seen.
I thought that Mr. Chicken Banner Lord
did a pretty good job.
He did a pretty good job.
So I won't have to DMCA take down you this time.
This time.
Or ban you.
Yeah.
Might block you though.
Have I ever really like addressed this publicly?
Like our stance on remixing our clips into other videos?
We have sort of, I think it's always been on WAN Show
though, but we have sort of.
Yeah, okay, anyway, we're chill.
Cause we, if you-
Yeah.
Context dependent.
Yeah.
If you are, if you're trying to pass off our footage,
as your own, like say, for example,
if you were to upload a review of a graphics card
and just shamelessly put our B roll into your video,
I get, I get pretty annoyed by that.
Yeah, we're not so down with that.
If you ask in advance, which is very easy to do
because we're not hard to get in touch with,
I have, I think every time said, yep, no problem.
Just make sure you credit us.
Contribution.
Yeah, we just, we want to see like proper credit
and a link in the video description.
But other than that, I don't really think we have any,
any rules about it.
Yeah.
Not particularly.
So yeah, we've always been, I think,
I think pretty, pretty, pretty open
as far as all that stuff goes.
Anyway, I thought this was, I thought it was pretty funny.
I thought they did a good job.
That was it.
That was all.
And then I've got another little side topic here.
Can we ban apps that copy metadata
when you try to copy text?
Yeah.
Also, okay, I want to attach something on this,
which is more of a people pattern thing.
So that would be great.
But also I think when you send someone a message
that's like an address or a phone number
or basically something that you know is going to be copied,
man, would I love it if it was its own message?
Well, you know, that's actually what started this,
was someone sent me their Wi-Fi SSID and password
in one message on Teams.
Yeah.
And I tried to copy the password,
and I was like, I hate this!
Because for whatever reason,
Teams and Microsoft's infinite wisdom
does not allow you to select part of a message and copy it.
And it is absolutely infuriating.
This trend towards not allowing you to interact
with text on the screen the way that you would intend to
started, in my mind, with right-clicking and copying
a hyperlink in a Google search result
and it pasting a whole bunch of tracking crap
progressed to texting apps that will copy like a timestamp
and username and whatever else when you paste their stuff,
and also offer no way to just manually select the part
of the text you want.
so you so you just you can't paste things where they just need to go and it just adds a bunch of
clicks for no reason and it's really annoying because a lot of times when you have to
input into a field that field is often very size restricted yep so now you have to trim the message
in a very size restricted field in some other which is so annoying and then paste it over i've
i've sent people back their own messages but like basically cropped like they'll they'll be like
here's oh no problem but still in the same message here's this information here's this information
here's a bunch more text and i'll just send them back just the like password completely new message
that account name completely new message that and then you copy your own sent message nice
nice it's just it's so it's
so frustrating uh adam says pixel phones can copy text from app switcher that is an utterly
unnecessary solution to a problem that should have never existed yeah that's the that's the issue and
to be to be clear this is not a world-ending problem this is not a huge deal it takes at
most another 10 or 20 seconds to get around this every time i encounter it
for me it's not about
how much time it wasted it's about how utterly unnecessary it was just annoying it should have
never happened there was no reason for it whatsoever yep just makes me mad pretty much
oh man ah a really good one is you know how uh when someone sends you an address or a phone
number in a lot of text apps you can just like long press and like open in maps i don't know yeah
yeah so
if that message contains other extraneous crap it doesn't work and okay like i don't know at
least on Android in just kind of any any text field if you select something that's obviously
a phone number it'll prompt you for the phone as well but no you can't do that in a chat app
that also has that other stuff because there's no way to select it
like we have these modern conveniences but then we get in our own way no no yep yep i've and like
the thing is i know i've been in all of these scenarios and i feel like everyone else must have
as well yeah because it's just like it's a part of life right now and it's just unnecessary and
annoying yep i'm pretty happy about dell apparently continuing to push forward their
modular laptop demo
denis yeah this is concept luna so this is like a new concept luna modular laptop that can
apparently be disassembled in 30 seconds whoa so we're gonna watch this here 10 times fewer screws
what am i looking at here this is another ad you're looking at ads you know what i figured
it out i figured out why i can't see it because i'm only looking at this yeah i'm only looking
at the skip button did you notice how he said what am i looking at here because he didn't even
recognize
there was an ad he does this and it's crazy like it's not crazy as in he's crazy it's just i i can't
i like wish i could so i think it's like frustrating that i can't just block them out like
that here we go check this out whoa 30 seconds let's go man when i used to work with laptops
all the time this would have been so sweet i know right and what's really cool is they're they're
pitching like a sustainability sustainability element
to this where when it comes to like refurbishing uh or for large organizations um you know
reassembling partially working laptops into into full working laptops just fewer of them um
apparently those qr codes are so that it's like super easy to to test it and identify it so that
you can so you can much more easily do that it's so cool that's awesome this is really awesome yeah
um so lots of rails and things like that so that's really cool and i think it's really cool and i think
that's really cool and i think it's really cool and i think it's really cool and i think it's really
cool and i think it's really cool and i think it's really cool and i think it's really cool
pogo pins card edge connectors uh no cables no screws nothing no screws if you can eject a sim
tray you can disassemble this laptop what and its thickness is still close to a current year 13 inch
dell latitude with internal volume to spare for higher end components is that wild that is super
cool now this is not a real product not yet but dell is hinting that we could see elements of
this of of this project
this of of this project make their way into real products down the line i suspect you will have
some screws in a real product maybe maybe you're right but i think some screws are okay some screws
are okay yeah especially if they're all the same yeah and like i don't necessarily think that
plastic clips are a better solution than it's neither yeah you know uh give me a good screw and
uh i'll thank you yeah it's amazing i yeah this is another just like super dumb comment that i read
yeah it's amazing i yeah this is another just like super dumb comment that i read this week it's just
like it's just i hate the way that they've gotten so immature and there's so many sex jokes now
it was always like that we have always been like blink-182 level toilet humor oh yeah
genuinely always been a thing i have learned nothing i have grown up not at all
yeah yeah yes ceo but it's just a title still me
uh the discussion question here is uh thanks Anthony how does Linus feel about his investment
in framework now good yeah i don't i don't think that was the point yeah 100 i mean even off air
talking to luke about the investment in framework talking internally to the people here
i was very clear that my investment in framework was like if it made money i'd be surprised yeah
i love their mission i love their mission i love their mission i love their mission
love their mission and to be clear dell is still not trying to compete with the framework mission
they have mentioned nothing about upgrading your chassis like this right it's still super cool
regardless my framework laptop went from six cores to 12 core 4 to 12 whatever i like dramatically
upgraded the hardware in that machine without replacing my chassis your screen or speakers or
touch pad or anything like that it's super cool still um but really what i was investing in was
the mission to make laptops that are not going to be the same as the ones that are going to be the
same as laptops less disposable yeah and if if this if if that was what it took to shine a big
enough light on what framework was doing that dell comes and does it better fine so be it yeah i will
i will i will kiss that money goodbye um i do i do still think that framework has a solid shot
i don't know a lot that isn't public information but i do know a little bit
and i don't want my money back i uh
i'm pretty happy i'm pretty happy with what they're doing i'm happy with the direction that
they're going but if i lose it all then i guess it's gone and i feel the same way about the
financial game yeah i the the point was i want these things to exist and it's exactly the same
with that nas software that i discussed last week i need an easy to use like prosumer nas that
doesn't suck like it just it has to exist
i am so tired of cloud being the only user-friendly option other than stupid like one touch backup hard
drives yeah because you want are not reliable you want to promote people to do their own like
personal cloud one but then it's it's hard it's hard yeah and i get it i get it you know full-time
sysadmin part-time home lab user who does this kind of thing in their sleep i understand that
to you it's not hard to my
brother-in-law it might as well be brain surgery even for decently technical people yes
like it's it's still a lot it's non-trivial and it's something that you need to like re-educate
on constantly which also probably shouldn't really need to be that necessary what's wrong
with stenology is a great question how about the completely closed ecosystem how about the
ridiculous pricing yeah you should be able to have a functioning nas for literally zero dollars like
there is hard training to build a cloud-based system i have to say for a long time which is
hardware that people actually throw in the garbage that is perfectly capable of running a nas
operating system and i get it in europe you might not actually want to run that because the power
efficiency is going to be a killer but if you happen to live somewhere with cheap power why is
it going into the trash it should still be used why are you gonna throw that working hardware away
go buy some appliance some overpriced appliance yeah not to mention underpowered in a lot of cases
that is not upgradable at all and that you're ultimately going to throw in the trash later
and your data sync it can only go to other well okay this is very old information it's
complicated okay you knew where i was going with this you can sync to a lot of different
things but also syncing just to a target like properly is a little
more complicated to set up okay the point is there's a better way yeah and i want there to
be a better way yeah yeah pretty much new topic should we should we do more merch messages yeah
we should do a couple merch messages probably i bet there's a few that are built up here yeah
yeah i've got some uh potentials you guys should probably have a look at too
sure i'll go in here from ronald working in the medical imaging field i've seen that a
lot of imaging data being moved to the cloud and uh he doesn't necessarily agree with it oh no uh we're
going to have to figure out how to do that but what are your thoughts on medical imaging using
cloud storage sounds terrible but also i mean this ties in perfectly to what we were just talking
about so what is every like small independent office supposed to have a full-time i.t person
to handle their in a lot of cases like regulator uh not endorsed what's the bloody word i'm looking
enforced like they're they're they're like regulated data storage like compliance
system like they they can this is what this is what my like company before i started working
with you was right so who's going to manage their compliance when it comes to safely storing all
this data in a secure and reliable fashion i mean cloud is the answer uh is it actually safe well
i don't know i hope so yeah but like what if you could so so one of the one of the things that i've
told this nazi i don't know i don't know but like what if you could so so one of the one of the things that i've told this nazi
software developer that i insist exists is a peer-to-peer
yeah a peer-to-peer encrypted backup solution yeah that's great so that if luke and i were each
running Linus nas or you know whatever it ultimately ends up being called please don't it's
not it's not it has a name i just said it's close to it okay oh god we don't need to go down that
path again one knaz um anywho
sorry okay keep going until if luke and i each had one it should be as simple as entering each
other's like profile like friending each other essentially and being able to allocate backup
space to each other that is then encrypted so that even with access to the hardware luke cannot look
at my files and i can't look at his but we know that our data is safely stored somewhere off-site
yeah that should not be complicated in the year 2020
22. that should be like three clicks and if it's not we suck yeah i could totally see that being
amazing for our professional offices too like if you could just have like dr net i mean this is
this is in my opinion the biggest problem with uh with like at-home storage for basically
anybody is if you want to back it up because everyone tells you like oh it's not a backup if
it's
not a backup if you want to back it up because everyone tells you like oh it's not a backup if
it's not a backup if you want to back it up because everyone tells you like oh it's not a backup if
so you're like oh okay i know i'm not i probably shouldn't use the voice but the reason why i use
the voice is because a lot of people hear that and then they go cool but i don't really have the
technical ability or the knowledge or whatever to fix said problem so like great thanks i don't
know like what am i supposed to do with this information so if you can give them something
to do with that information yeah that would be awesome that'd be nice uh leo lan asks didn't you
say that if you have physical access to a server that encryption security doesn't matter anymore
encrypted data um as long as it is properly encrypted is probably going to be very difficult
to gain access to at this point in time it's still like as as we said before no security is absolute
yes i yeah when we've said things like that there's often been context
around it like for example when we talked about how apple allowed the chinese government to
dictate which data center all of their chinese customers data was stored in
what we mean is an entity with extreme capability and extremely long-term access and
essentially it's a it's a ccp owned data center so come on yeah come on yeah right
um and in a lot of cases like we're talking about a situation where the way that the like okay
something like bit locker for example if you had unlimited time and access to an encrypted drive
you might eventually be able to brute force it but in this case if it's just a dump of encrypted data
um i don't have the technical expertise to know what it would take to break into it do you know
anything about that like it seems to be completely honest reading potential merch messages but
you're talking about breaking encryption on files yeah just on just on just a dump of data in like a
in a container file if you're if you're taking brute force uh uh if you're taking the the
attack vector of brute force yeah like as-256 you can somewhat like measure how long that's going to
take or measure an estimation of how long that will take on average i should say right um if it i mean
there's always the potential that it guesses it first try uh but like the chance of that is you
know uh well my password is password so what do you think oh it might get it in the first 50 or
something yeah um but yeah there's there's some amount of measurable difficulty there for brute
forcing uh but then you also have to question the ability of removing the lock right right
uh because you can you can basically always compare any type of security to almost any
other type of security because they're similar similar attacks right right
for um yeah yeah there's always the possibility of finding a way to remove the lock or go around
the door or do whatever basically some way that you don't have to interact with guessing the password
um so nothing is ever 100 uh if something exists you should not assume that security on it is 100
if anyone tells you that security on it is 100 uh either they are a fool or you should deeply question
the motivation that they have for telling you that that's basically it what is this
yeah
yeah there's always a way yeah that's great
um okay hit me again more uh this one's from ryan happy holidays having heard all the recent talk
about the ai in the media and art how do you view ai in art as it relates to copyright saw a tweet
thread about this relationship
so um a lot of people think that the most important thing to an art is the commercial behind the local
industry um do you think that the most important thing to us as a as a general industry is to
be able to do a commercial uh baseball um you think that that's a big deal
yeah definitely sure i think so uh you know as far as i'm concerned i don't think it's a big
deal and it's a big issue because it's a good question and i'm hoping that you know that the
normal message of the government might be that you know i'm going to keep doing that but you know
a few ai things there was a few different comments talking about how uh i seemed quite pro gpt or
large large language model ai things and i was quite anti art model bots oh okay so i was talking
about how i didn't like ai art i did and in the same show i was talking about how i did like gpt
sure and people were saying that that was fairly hypocritical and i think from oh okay watching
the show and the things that were talked about in the show i think that stance was quite fair
to be completely honest i think part of that reason is because i haven't dove far enough into
my reasons for that and to be completely transparent a fair amount of my opinion on
that at that time was basically a vibe check right i hadn't really dove into it enough i have dove
into it a bit now i still don't think it's enough and i think one of the reasons why it's not enough
is i think this is actually just a ridiculously
ridiculously complicated topic well yeah sure like it's it's really really hard um i think
there are some problems there's lots of problems one of them is that the training depth is highly
questionable on some of the ai art generators yeah to the point where i have found examples
where it is trained on one artist and when you ask it to output different things
it basically just outputs pretty much exactly what that artist did
yeah um i have also done some stuff i was talking to you about this where i search for a specific
term that is highly related to an extremely famous piece of art and i've gotten a bunch
of different ai art generators to output pretty much just the original with some extremely minor
changes like hey we didn't copy it haha yeah and and this is like i'm talking i'm
not giving it a ton of terms i'm not being super super hyper specific so that if you asked pretty
much any human artist to do this they would have output pretty much the exact same thing i'm not
saying like draw me a cogwheel and pretty much everyone draws the same cogwheel i i'm like or
i'm not saying draw me a cogwheel at this exact orientation and then but with this many spokes
all that kind of stuff i'm i'm giving somewhat vague things and not very many okay i'll just
say the term i said um arab girl green eyes yeah gee i wonder what image you end up with and that's
all i gave them so it has uh a race it has a color of eyes and it has a gender that's it
wait you mean this one and that's the i believe that's the original yes um and these ai art
programs were putting out pretty much that at like you know different angles and stuff
yeah
yeah but like oh maybe a different color of you know robe or whatever this was i did this like
yeah almost immediately after last one so it's been a little while but if i remember correctly
she has freckles sure and like every single one she had freckles in it i don't know how common
that is but like wow it was it was afghan i don't know sorry i did this like a week ago i don't
remember the exact search term um i i lifted basically this scenario from somebody on twitter
but they deleted their
post i wanted to share it on the show they they deleted or privated or they did something with
their post and then i couldn't get it back again uh because i wanted to attribute the they also
had photos of it happening and they had everything and it was really good but i think they they got
a bunch of heat from the people that are very pro ai art and they decided to private everything
which is totally there that's fine but i just wanted to use that and i couldn't so i redid it
i don't remember exactly what the search terms were anyways that photo was re-spat out by a ton
of them
then i dove into it and figured out that there was one particular artist that was upset
because someone had trained an ai art model off of only their art um and like there's all this
weird stuff going on i think the ai art space is very murky right now i think there are ways to do
it right i don't think it's automatically bad yep i think there have been a lot of bad examples
are we having this conversation less around chat gpt because it is a
very dangerous thing to do to a product that is more profitable than it is to be able to
do it yourself
that's a firm point do you think it's much more profitable than it was before
i think so i have because writing is another like in danger profession that has uh been i mean been
under attack for a long time like this is not this is not new i was reading a really interesting
article recently about how the proliferation of celebrity kids books not just celebrity but also i'm adding this part this was not part of the article but celebrity kids books and also old kids books afterwards and i i think of course some of those books in general that have been criticized by critics bring up a lot of the Uzbekistan people are asking if they just made these kind of nerds books.
So old kids' books has made it really difficult
for new artists and new writers
to break out into the children's literature space
because why would you go and invest
in publishing a new artist's book
when you can just print more copies of The Cat in the Hat?
Or, you know, I don't even know
if Martha Stewart has a children's book or whatever,
but like, or you could just get someone to ghost write
Martha Stewart counts turkeys or whatever, right?
Sure.
And that's so much more likely to end up
in the checkout aisle at the grocery store
than some random thing.
And it's kind of like killing creativity.
Now, I want to make it very clear.
The ABCs of Gaming was not a cash grab,
was not particularly profitable
compared to what else I could have spent my time on
for how many we've sold.
And it's about met my expectations
in terms of sales.
And I did not have it ghost written.
I actually wrote it, every word.
I'm not saying that that's like hard
and I'm some kind of like master poet
or anything like that.
I'm just saying that it was not just a marketing gimmick
for the book.
I just wanted it to exist.
So I made it.
That's kind of how we do things.
But, um,
Kibrim in Flowplane Chat says,
Kim Kardashian's Daddy Isn't Feeling Well.
Is that an actual book?
Shut up.
Wait, what?
No.
Okay, okay.
I thought that might,
I thought that might have actually been
a children's book.
Anyway, so the point is that writing
is another art form
that has absolutely been under attack.
And I just, yeah,
I wonder if the conversation is just different
because examples of plagiarism
are so much more difficult
to point at and go,
there, that,
that was obviously trained on that article.
Yeah, it is far easier with art.
And that's another thing
that I came to was like,
is GPT better
or is it just harder to tell?
And I have some minor counters to that.
Uh, someone in Flowplane Chat just said,
I put Afghan Girl Green Eyes into Dolly too,
and it's super similar.
It's like, yeah, um,
code is the one way that I've kind of poked that.
So something that I started doing was I started looking at,
um, Googling questions where you would expect a code output and finding the
topic.
Um, Googling questions where you would expect a code output and finding the topic.
So I started looking at the top responses and then asking GPT chat the same question and getting a different response.
Oh, okay.
That did happen.
But,
but,
and I haven't gotten a bunch of this produced.
And this is where I'm saying like,
this is not an end,
a finalized conversation.
And I'm very interested in people continuing to dive into these things.
Um, and I think it matters because I think pretty much now is when we need to figure out how all this stuff is going to work.
Yeah.
Um, but I have heard claims that people have gotten code outputs,
uh, and then people have asked it to,
or they,
they got code outputs and they asked it to include comments and the comments included unique things from like people who wrote original code that was highly related,
uh, like names and stuff.
Oh, weird.
I have never seen,
I've never seen an example of that,
which has me a little sus.
Right.
Okay.
Um,
because almost,
every time anyone's like,
Oh,
look at this thing,
GPT did they have screenshotted and I have not seen screenshots of this,
but I have heard of it.
Screenshot,
even if you had,
it could easily be faked.
So that's that too,
especially with text,
because you can just inspect element and just,
um,
and people have done that with GPT.
I know that for sure.
I was planning to come on this show and talk about how GPT had been,
uh,
like cut down very substantially and what it was able to do.
And then,
uh,
literally yesterday,
they like patched it and now it's not.
So I don't know.
I was like,
going to come on the show and complain about how it just tells you,
it can't do any things all the time.
And then you have to fight it to get it to do it.
And then they updated it.
And part of the patch notes is like,
it will do things more often instead of saying that it can't.
And I'm like,
Oh,
all right.
Well,
that's cool.
Um,
so yeah,
I don't know.
It's a,
it's a really complicated question.
Um,
does making it so that your model,
um,
model is trained off of everything instead of one person,
make it better.
Uh,
or does that just make it more plagiarized?
Yeah.
I'm not sure.
I,
my,
my gut kind of says,
I don't know if it makes it okay,
but it does feel a little bit better because when I saw the AI art model
that was trained off of one person,
that,
that was gross to me.
That was like really not cool or okay at all because you were genuinely getting very similar things.
And I'm not just saying this to defend the artist.
The originals were definitely better.
They were clearly better.
You could see that there was a vision for it.
There was an idea for it and it was more actualized.
Like this is someone who's clearly very good at art.
Um,
but the AI art was pretty good.
If I hadn't seen the originals,
I would have thought the AI art was like,
really solid,
you know?
So I don't even remember what the original question was,
but the original question was Linus,
can you clarify what's going on with the cost of BYOC tickets at LTX 2023?
I screwed that up.
Um,
the BYOC ticket is supposed to include admission for the two days.
Whoa.
So I told Chase that's too cheap and we are changing the price.
Yeah.
I was going to say that's really,
yeah,
that was like very not good pricing for it.
Um,
anyway,
and that's also,
uh,
if it,
if it helps Chase to feel better,
I don't think that's how that normally works.
Like for,
for PAX,
you have to buy a pass to the event and then you also get your BYOC badge.
Yeah.
So any who we're getting it sorted out,
stay tuned.
Uh,
but on the subject of art,
see,
I'm going to bring it back there.
Hey,
there we go.
I get to show you guys the,
uh,
draft branding for Orca and dolphin packages.
Oops.
Um,
Oh,
that is so sweet.
So we have whales orcas and dolphins.
Oh,
the dolphins don't get a chain.
Oh,
I see.
So it goes chain with the dollar thing and then it's just chain.
And then it's no chain.
Yeah.
I asked glasses though.
I asked Sarah to do more like,
um,
like Oakley,
like,
uh,
like beach douchebag,
um,
sunglasses on this one.
And she,
she thinks that those look stupid and doesn't want to put them on the dolphin.
But I was like,
yeah,
but dolphins are assholes.
So like,
I tell you what,
please humor me,
draw it on and then we can fight it out with the AB in our
next,
in our next meeting.
And she was like,
okay.
So I think,
I think we'll get to,
we'll get to see that sometime soon.
Cool.
Uh,
in other internal news,
uh,
Floatplane exclusives will be going up.
Well,
at least one will be going up on LMG clips,
as an experiment.
We're going to run one of them,
the behind the scenes from our shoot with nerd forge,
and it will be available for 48 hours.
If you guys like seeing a little bit of Floatplane on YouTube,
the idea here is to use it as a promotional mechanism for Floatplane.
So you guys can see it and go,
oh,
there's like hours and hours and hours and hours of more stuff like this on
Floatplane.
Oh,
cool.
And we can sign up because that's a little old at this point.
It's great at this point,
but it's a little older at this point.
Yeah.
We actually have way too many topics this week.
There's a lot.
Um,
I think we might have to kind of call it there and just,
uh,
go to Q and a and what time is it?
Yeah,
it's we're very deep into the show and I have to pee.
So that's going to be our limiter here.
All right.
Here's another one from,
uh,
it's Danny.
Uh,
first check cleared for my first real it job.
Nice.
Getting a backpack to be my work slash tool bag,
a question for Linus or Luke.
Have there been any recent gaming publishers slash developers that you've
committed to boycott my library?
Is getting thin with no Activision,
Blizzard,
EA,
riot or Ubisoft games.
You have a fantastic opportunity to start playing indie games.
Yeah.
Wow.
That's pretty thin.
Um,
not me personally.
Um,
I wish I was as principled as that,
but I,
I can't say that in my line of work,
I even necessarily have the luxury of not buying games from a particular
developer.
Like I'm not going to go,
well,
we're just never going to benchmark anything from Ubisoft.
Um,
and that's,
you know what,
that's,
that's weak,
right?
Like that's a weak sauce take.
I'll own it.
Um,
because a more principled take would be,
no,
I strongly,
I strongly disagree with the way X company treats Y members of their
team or,
or whatever else.
And I am,
I'm drawing a line in the sand.
We will just not acknowledge them in any way.
Um,
uh,
but I'm weak.
I have,
I have put,
I have put content that will appeal to the people who will
play those games and will buy those games.
Um,
I have put that first in this case.
Okay.
Here's another one from Corbin.
How long do you think X 86 is a long for this world?
My understanding that it's their instruction set is getting very bloated and
would PC building survive such a drastic change?
I mean,
Anthony did a video a little while back that was called build a PC while you
still can.
And I think he does a pretty good job of actually addressing this very issue
because even if X 86 sticks around,
it's very clear that more tightly integrated components have not only cost
advantages for manufacturers,
but also practical advantages.
I mean,
we talked earlier on the show about how beneficial it can be to put DRAM
extremely close to a CPU die.
Well,
that ain't changing anytime soon.
And as we,
as we,
as we start to build interconnects with higher and higher and higher speeds,
uh,
like we saw with the Dell cam video,
did you happen to see that?
Uh,
Dell created a new standard for a laptop memory modules that allows the,
that allows the DRAM packages to get closer to the CPU so that we can actually
hit DDR5 speeds,
um,
without,
well,
sorry,
where was I going with this?
Right.
So we can hit DDR5 speeds,
uh,
without losing the modularity that comes with,
uh,
removable module.
So they don't just have to solder the bloody things to the board.
And I think,
yeah,
we're,
we're going to see more and more integration.
So regardless of how long X 86 is for this world,
I,
I think there's going to be some challenges ahead for custom PC building for
sure.
Okay.
And,
uh,
last one I've got here is from Tristan.
Hi guys.
First,
Luke,
can you finish explaining how the stream is distributed?
Second Linus Linux,
I'm waiting to,
uh,
I'm waiting on a rack mounted gaming chassis on the store.
No,
no time soon.
No progress updates,
none.
Sorry.
Uh,
yeah,
it w it wasn't all that complicated.
Basically I was just describing that we have our own restreaming service
in house basically.
So when we stream from here,
we're actually streaming to a Floatplane server,
and then the Floatplane server redistributes to Facebook,
Twitch,
YouTube,
and also Floatplane and also Floatplane.
I think that's it.
That's it.
Do we support Twitter?
No,
I thought we did at some point.
Did you guys ever experiment with that?
I think you asked me to,
and I think I decided no.
So I'm not the only one who doesn't listen.
Yeah,
that's fair enough.
In this case you were listening.
I don't,
I don't remember.
I think I'm trying to remember.
AJ would remember.
I think we might've looked into it and it was like possible,
but annoying or something.
I don't remember what it was.
Sure.
I'm over it.
It's also very possible that I was just like,
no,
but I don't know.
David E.
No,
I'm sorry.
I don't have any hot takes on virtual desktops.
Latest quest update,
which requires an internet connection apparently because of piracy.
I mean,
I guess that's pretty obnoxious,
but nope.
Sorry.
Philippe asks,
is it true that most of the AMD AIBs will be reusing their huge heat sync
designs from the 4080 and 4090?
Yeah,
90 for 7,900 XT and XTX designs,
leaving us with incredibly overbuilt heat sinks.
I doubt.
Well,
okay.
So there's a couple of things.
One,
no,
they will not be reusing exactly the same design.
There will be new design work,
but be a lot of the technologies that they invest in,
whether it's to do like a,
a direct heat pipe on chip,
you know,
cooler design or whether it's tooling to build a new kind of shroud or
whatever else,
they're absolutely going to reuse that to the greatest degree that they
possibly can.
So I think you'll see a lot of similarities.
Andrew asks,
Hey,
when team,
if you could have any person living or dead receive and review an LTT
store.com product,
who would you choose and which product would you want them to check out?
Billy Mays.
You don't have anything that's slap powered.
Oh wait,
no,
that's different person.
Yeah.
And what did he do?
He did a ton of stuff.
He did a ton of stuff,
man,
man.
I'd want Billy Mays to check out,
man.
What would amaze Billy Mays?
I'd want him to do the screwdriver.
Billy Mays here.
And I've got the LTC.
Oh,
it'd be great.
It'd be glorious.
I don't know.
I have no idea.
I'd be so happy.
I didn't be all positive.
I mean,
you know,
he never crapped on anything.
It'd be kind of cool to find like the person who first invented any
form of screwdriver and get them to check out like this is far.
We,
this is what we have now.
Yeah.
That'd be pretty cool.
Uh,
AJ asks,
uh,
speaking of framework,
do you ever think they will make laptops with gaming GPUs?
I'd love to get one,
but I really need a decent GPU in my laptop.
Um,
I'd love to see them do it too.
I think that that's something that's going to be a lot more challenging.
I mean,
it's been tried time and time again,
like modular GPUs and laptops,
right?
MXM as a form factor seems to have basically no support from particularly
NVIDIA,
who actually seems to have been on a mission to kill it for the last,
like five to 10 years.
So I think it's going to be a real challenge,
but I would love to see them do it.
That's all I can really say about that.
Yes.
I'm aware that it's a complete non-answer.
Uh,
miles says,
Hey,
Linus and Luke on the subject of P2P NAS solutions.
Have you heard of cubbit?
I think their goal aligns well with your values.
It would be awesome to see it talked about an LTT.
I am not aware of this.
I always pronounced it cubit.
Um,
I've heard of them.
I haven't looked deeply into it.
Huh?
Geodistributed cloud with immutable backup and S3 compatible object storage.
I'm,
it sounds kind of cool.
It's also sounds probably complicated to use,
which is not quite what I'm talking about,
but yeah,
it sounds kind of neat.
And I think that's pretty much it.
Yeah.
I like really have to hit the bathroom.
So bye.
Yeah.
Okay.
Uh,
yeah.
Yeah.
I'm on it.
Next week.
Same bad channel.
Yep.
Hitting it.
It didn't go clicking it again.
Did we start the server?
All right.
I don't,
I don't know.
I don't know what to do with,
with my hands.
Uh,
the,
uh,
I could,
I go by again.
You get to all.
It works.
There we go.
For a decade.
OVH MSI Zoho one.