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What's up, happy Friday and welcome to the WAN Show.

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We've got a great show lined up for you this week,

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but that's what we say every week.

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But this time I actually mean it.

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YouTube has announced a spam crackdown

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and coincidentally-

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So have you.

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So have I.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, we're gonna be talking a little bit

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about that later on.

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Also, oh wow, really, really?

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Twitter blocked JerryRigEverything?

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Yep.

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Along with journalists who have covered Elon in the past,

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particularly ElonJet, also the ElonJet account.

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So we'll be talking about the 180 degree about face

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that Elon Musk has done on his whole

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freedom of speech absolutionist thing

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that he said and never really demonstrated

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any commitment to.

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What else we got?

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Yeah, which one of these should I do?

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What, you don't like this one?

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Which one is this?

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The one I highlighted.

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Come on, it's awesome.

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Okay, TikTok takes on YouTube

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with experimental landscape video feature.

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Take that, we got landscape now.

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Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

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Now we've got landscape with copyrighted music

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we're not paying licensing fees for.

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Pow, pow, pow.

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Yeah.

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Also, Linus is gonna rant about apps

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that copy paste metadata along with text.

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Yeah, cause it's stupid.

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It's annoying.

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Let's go ahead and jump right into

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YouTube announces spam crackdown.

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On Wednesday, YouTube announced

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that they will be dealing with the scourge

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of spam comments, stealing creators' profile pics,

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and posting emoji-filled prize-winning lies.

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That's right.

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They are finally doing something.

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I mean, they've been doing something for a while,

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but they're like-

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What do you mean?

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They removed the dislike button.

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Okay.

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I mean, but no.

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Problem solved.

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No, but even live chat is apparently getting improved bot detection,

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for example, which is actually kind of exciting

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because I don't know if you guys realize this,

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especially those of you who are watching on YouTube,

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but I do not look at the YouTube chat at all.

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I mean, you guys see me screen share,

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and how often, if ever, do you even see this window open?

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Do you ever see this window?

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No.

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What that means is I am not looking at the YouTube chat

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because it moves so fast, it is full of absolute garbage.

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And do I need any other reasons other than that?

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No, that's good enough.

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It moves really fast and is full of garbage.

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It's fast garbage.

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Yeah, Twitch's loading in chunks is actually kind of helpful

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because once it loads a bunch, it pauses for a second.

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It's slow garbage.

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You can actually read.

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And then there's Floatplane, which is quality.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But hey, maybe that's going to change.

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So YouTube will be implementing improved spam detection on video comments.

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As spammers change their tactics,

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our machine learning models are improving to better detect new types of spam.

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So that's good.

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They're working on improved bot detection in live chat.

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And they are...

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Okay, cool.

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So this is the controversial part.

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This is what I really wanted to talk to you about.

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Because up until now, as far as I can tell,

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like a machine learning...

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A chat moderator or comment moderator was only able to remove a comment.

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But the real change in capabilities is that they will now be able to issue

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warnings and timeouts to users.

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So if you leave abusive comments, an actual bot will be able to

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issue you a 24 hour timeout.

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What do you think of that?

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Bot moderators that will not only remove a comment or.

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Hold for moderation, but actually take moderator actions.

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Can you turn it off?

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As far as I can tell, the plan is to implement these features platform-wide

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without any kind of toggle for creators.

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I would be far more comfortable with it if you could turn it off.

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Because then the vast majority of people could just leave it on and it would be fine.

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But then like, remember when they were...

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I don't know exactly how to word.

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This, but YouTube was reducing the spread of, of anything that mentioned COVID at all.

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Yes.

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Those types of...

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Well, it wasn't that the...

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Okay, so hold on.

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It was that monetization was disabled on anything to do with COVID.

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But doesn't that basically automatically mean when you're YouTube that you're not boosting those videos as much?

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No.

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Well, okay.

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So I've had this conversation with people high up enough at YouTube that they should...

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at least know the right answers, whether they tell them to me or not.

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Okay.

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YouTube claims, swears up and down that the monetization status of a video does not affect its reach.

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They also swear up and down that they don't know how the algorithm fully works because it's machine learning based.

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Oh, I believe that.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I see what you mean.

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Because if they're telling the thing, like, we want you to find ways to make money, why would it promote demonetized videos?

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My understanding, though, is that that is not...

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My understanding, though, is that that is not...

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is not a focus for the algorithmic inputs.

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The focuses for the algorithmic inputs are not just watch time.

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Okay.

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So it used to be views and then things like likes and comments.

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Yeah.

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Things like interactions started to play heavily into it as well.

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And then it evolved to watch time.

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That was the that was the animation apocalypse, right?

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When YouTube started to emphasize watch time over view counts because animation is so expensive.

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to make per minute compared to something like VOD or, in particular, something like long gameplay videos or streams, right?

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Then they kind of realized, well, okay, watch time is not the be all and end all.

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And for at least the last few years, their emphasis has been on satisfaction.

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That's the word that you can't talk to a YouTube employee for more than probably 10 minutes.

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about the algorithm without them using.

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Viewer satisfaction.

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Sure.

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So they take a number of signals for that.

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They take whether you watch the video through, right?

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Like how much of the video you watch, how you engage with it, commenting on it, liking it, for example.

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A big, big one for satisfaction is if you click on another video when you're done watching.

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If you click on another video from that creator, that's a really strong indicator for satisfaction.

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Right?

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So if you want to be fed more of a certain creator or more of a certain kind of content, watch through a video, click on another one of their videos and watch that, and I pretty much promise you that your feed is going to be full of that kind of stuff.

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The other thing is that sometimes YouTube uses ad spots for things that are not ads, and you've probably seen this a fair bit.

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No, you have premium, don't you?

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Okay, so one of the things that you will see if you're an ad-supported user is surveys.

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And they won't just add.

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They'll ask you, did you like this video?

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Because that's what this button's for, right?

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And, you know, they've got five different settings, so you can tell it exactly how much you liked it, anywhere from one star to five stars.

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Wait.

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That'd be a good idea, though.

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Like 2006 YouTube?

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Yeah, that's what the thumbs up and thumbs down is for.

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So they'll ask you things like, how did this video make you feel?

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Right?

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Like, you guys have probably seen this.

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So that is all so that they can gauge the user satisfaction.

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How much did this video satisfy?

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You because the idea is that it's all about keeping you on the platform for as many hours of the day as humanly or, I mean, realistically, machinely possible.

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Yeah, we actually did an AB test a while back where we took two similar videos.

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Actually, we did it a couple of times.

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So it was with a few different videos, but we took two videos that we kind of expected to perform similarly and intentionally disabled monetization on them.

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Okay.

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To see if, well, because my theory was that the one without monetization, given YouTube's desire for better satisfaction from viewers, I thought the one without monetization would actually perform better.

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Yeah.

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Than the one with monetization.

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Because people would leave less.

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Right.

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And so the reason that I cared about this was because sponsored videos will pay way more per view than an ad-supported video.

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So the idea was that if we had a full...

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Yeah.

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...ad to a fully sponsored video and we could boost its reach by simply disabling Google ads, then that would be an obvious value add to the sponsor.

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Yeah.

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It would juice up our view counts and it would mean that we could sell sponsored videos for more.

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So that was my whole plan was I was like, oh, okay, well, maybe we can increase viewer satisfaction by removing Google ads, ultimately increasing the value of our sponsored videos.

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Yeah.

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But what we found every single time was that there did not appear to be any quality.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So what we found every single time was that there did not appear to be any correlation whatsoever.

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And I called BS on this previously.

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Yeah.

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The really wild part.

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All right.

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Is that what you're getting into?

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Sort of.

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Okay.

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Call BS on...

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Okay.

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So I called BS on this previously because I said that if I'm ever on a device, which is annoyingly often, that I'm not logged into the one Google account that I have premium on because there's no way I'm going to get premium on like seven different Google accounts.

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Yeah.

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So if I'm ever logged in or it thinks that account is active or whatever, I will immediately leave because there's no way I'm watching an ad, but I think I understand now there's an example that you're going to throw out that is, that is really interesting, but I think I also understand, I think at this point, if you don't have premium...

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They're missing context still, Luke.

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Oh, okay.

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Sorry.

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Go for it.

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Okay.

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The really wild thing is that every time I talk to anyone from YouTube, they will swear up and down that ads do not affect retention or retention.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That ads do not affect retention or satisfaction.

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Yeah.

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Like even mid-roll ads.

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Like, I don't know if you guys have noticed, but because we have baked in sponsor reads to our videos, we do not include mid-roll ads on our LTT content.

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And the reason for that is that from my point of view, I feel the same way as you.

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A mid-roll ad is a very strong, a very high friction...

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It's a leave point.

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...point for me.

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Yeah.

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But they say...

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They say that it doesn't affect retention, and one of the highest profile, the king of retention on the platform, MrBeast, I know, enables mid-roll ads, puts them in liberally, lets Google just figure out the best place to put them, and just lets it do its thing.

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And somehow that works.

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Yeah, clearly.

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Yeah, someone pointed out like, oh, that's just because you have another account to switch to.

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No, I said device.

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So if I'm on someone else's computer...

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If I'm on this laptop, I don't have my personal email, because my YouTube Premium is on my personal email.

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If I don't have my personal email logged into something, I just literally won't watch YouTube because of the ads.

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But thinking about that, I was like, oh, I will know that and not go to YouTube, or I will know that or not realize that, go to YouTube, get an ad, and immediately leave permanently.

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So I think if people are going to YouTube, they're expecting ads.

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So it's not going to make them leave.

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It's not going to make them leave an individual video, because they're expecting ads.

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It's also a totally different viewer.

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Like the demographics of a channel like MrBeast, for example, and our channel are going to be very different.

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In the same way that the demographics of like a super popular, you know, beauty channel or gaming channel or science channel, actually science and technology overlap a ton.

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That was a bad example.

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But like, yeah, a comedy channel.

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The demographics are going to be super different.

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And I think that among tech-savvy viewers, you might find that the way that we are conditioned to accept ads is not as much.

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So I don't want to generalize, but I think it's probably fair to say that among the tech-savvy audience, you are more likely to find people who engage in ad blocking, content piracy.

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Yeah.

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You're more likely to find people who engage with new platforms.

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Like, I would say that the tech-savvy audience that's watching us right now was far more likely to subscribe to Netflix in the very early days than their mom or their auntie or their dad or grandpa.

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Those people are super tech-savvy as well.

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But yeah.

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Exactly.

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But that's what I'm saying is like, I think that the tech-savvy audience's tolerance for advertising is probably lower because they've spent the last 20, 30 years of their life in advertising.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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20 years not absorbing as much advertising as the average viewer.

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Like, I go over to my in-law's place and the TV is on.

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You know, like.

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All the time.

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Cable.

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Yeah.

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Like, television.

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Yeah.

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And I'm standing in front of it and you know, it's like, it's like, oh, glowing object.

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Like fire.

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Me watch.

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You know, like, it draws you in, right?

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Yeah.

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Or there's something interesting on it.

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And then, you know, because it's like 30% advertising.

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advertising something comes on i'm like oh yeah ads have gotten like kind of kind of funny these

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see you later like that's it i'm done i'm i'm out because i'm not conditioned to to watch that

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whereas they'll just sit in front of it yeah i'm like oh well that's a generational gap that i

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hadn't really like thought about in a while yeah and so maybe maybe i mean okay here's something

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uh tiktok to my knowledge doesn't have premium okay i have no idea yeah guys you're gonna have

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to correct me if i'm wrong but my understanding is that there's no paid account there's just

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either you view ads on tiktok or that's it why wouldn't they i don't know that's actually a

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pretty good question um what is tiktok premium tiktok pro is an extended version of tiktok

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what apparently their ads are super trivial to skip though so apparently they are

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they are super easy to can you just like scroll past it ads can just be scrolled away yeah yeah

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but someone's got to watch it or they wouldn't even be able to keep the servers running

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so i don't i don't know i i can't explain this because i'm i'm like you guys i mean i i don't

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even see ads most of the time someone will be like how you do that is is actually crazy i

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because okay so he's gonna say this and you guys are gonna go like oh okay yeah he just ignores

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him no like he's gonna say this and you guys are gonna go like oh okay yeah he just ignores him

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literally somehow just like mentally blocks it i don't know how to describe oh man i've tried to

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like explain how an ad on a website like uh like interacted with the rest of the experience or

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like push things out of the way and he'd be like oh i don't know i didn't see it i'm like how it's

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like half the screen he's like i don't know it's actually wild i do have a threshold i might have

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actually sent you this screenshot

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a little while ago but i opened up an article where on my phone my folding phone like my giant

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phone screen there was like two lines of text that i could read and the entire rest of the thing was

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ads yeah that's bad i think i did send you that right i was like well here's an argument here's

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an argument for privateering and yeah in that case i was aware of the ads but i couldn't tell

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you what any of them were and i was like oh my god i don't know how to explain this because i

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don't know what they were for right okay all i could see was my two lines of content and i felt

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my annoyance that i had to scroll a lot mental ad blocking service was like getting overloaded

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like there's too much it's gotta be an add thing or something like like hyper focus is like is is

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apparently a thing okay and so when i'm when i'm reading i am reading and you go fast if you could

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find my grade three four teacher i had her for both years and talk to her about

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the ads and you know even i can't wait until 30 years to sit down and like check outgal

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what's her name i was like i wanna hear your commentary on the ads and research them yeah

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do you know anything about produção technology or even talking about product marketing and

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the benefits map sort of the parents going from it and like you know if i think if i

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see why this project doesn't make sense like i like this because i say to my students

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like should we do this so it'll become one short story at the end of the day but on

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the other end of the day just coming up with great stuff and incredible bookshops like

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brotherhood books to count they are so great one's ersten case by eyes and motherhood week

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that i was going to say that but i don't even remember a book you pulled out of the page

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first one a book tool and i did a third I don't remember a book tool there were all i think in the

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letter grades yeah um effort grades yeah and then maybe it was just the school i went to they're

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very thorough they would write like a page or two pages about you for every report card or maybe it

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was just me we had we had paragraphs so our report cards are similar in that way and then we had

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paragraph sections under each topic got it so for like maths or or sciences or whatever you would

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have like a paragraph for each for each one well i got a page um anyway one of the things that i

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would do in in class is and like at the time i thought i was totally getting away with it i

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thought nobody had any idea but i would sit for you know you know the desks that you have in

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elementary school right with the storage in them a bar thing and so yeah uh with like the cubby

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inside it so i would prop a book in my

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cubby

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and i would sit in class i'd kind of slouch like this and i would just read a novel

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like like all day it's not the worst off topic thing you could be doing in class no but i'd have

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no idea what's going on it's still not the worst it's not good so when there's so when there's a

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project you know and instructions have been issued uh Linus uh are you gonna go get the

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construction pay oh sorry what i would have no idea that anything else existed the only thing

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that would penetrate my consciousness was math want to know why because any time the teacher

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said something something minus something because oh i would think i heard my name goodness i'd

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realize no it's just math and i'd go back to my book

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i don't know

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you

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, that's pretty funny oh yeah so anywho i um it's definitely oh yeah twitch chat that's uh uh yeah

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hopefully Yvonne doesn't like look at this it's definitely a sore spot with my wife because when

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i'm like on my phone oh yeah i have yeah i mean you know this yep when i'm in a meeting if i get

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sidetracked for a second he's gone i start reading something how long would you say you can be talking

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before i finally acknowledge that i have not heard a word you've said and ask you to repeat

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it it's it's not that bad in my opinion but for a reason that probably won't make you that happy

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because it's not that bad because he will always interrupt you because he thinks whatever he's

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doing is probably more interesting or more important so if he's reading something he's

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probably going to want to share the information about what he's reading so so you learn pretty

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quick he's not paying attention because he's going to say something in the middle of using something

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and it's just like okay i guess we're talking about this i wouldn't start reading it if it

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wasn't really important that's questionable

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i think i think if you in that moment decide that you even if the information is important

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you just don't want it right now you will you will sidetrack yourself with whatever

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sometimes i don't want to hear it yeah so you'll be like oh you're going to read something else

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oh yeah i mean i don't claim to be the world's most attentive person

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i genuinely think that that's a huge part of my success though i wouldn't undo it for the world

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because it's one of the things that like makes it so that i can be in the middle of a conversation

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and like have an idea like it's where i actually get a lot of my inspiration from

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that i'm not really paying attention

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i'm actually thinking about something else have you in our so we weekly we have these meetings

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where i go over like what the dev teams are kind of doing and all that kind of stuff do you notice

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that i repeat stuff sometimes oh no yeah i didn't think so so i've learned i've known him for a long

00:22:06.420 --> 00:22:13.780
time so i will sometimes pick up on like he didn't get that at all and sometimes i will i'll make him a

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session in the moment and sometimes i'll be like once notice sometimes i'll be like you know what

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honestly that wasn't like that important i also write reports and send them out through email

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and i know he reads those so i'm like if it wasn't that important for him to know right now

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or if i don't need a response back he'll just read it later it'll be fine and sometimes i'm like no i

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actually need like what he thinks about this or his opinion on or whatever so i'll just say it

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again

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i'll wait until i'm like pretty sure you're done doing whatever you were doing and then i'll just

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fire again and i don't even bother go like so i think you might have missed this i'm just like

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whatever so the thing is like i kind of got that gen z multitasking energy but i do not have that

00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:11.560
gen z attentiveness energy so i am single tasking four things at once with one quarter the quality

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i think that's not it yeah and Isaiah the point is who i'm talking about he's

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at he's at gotten started Practice

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someone said i don't i lost it but they said something along the lines of like

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Luke just lets his boss ignore him it's not even that's not i don't

00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:27.080
think that's fair because i don't think he's ignoring you

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no i'm not he's just that's why i said he'll talk to you about it whatever it is

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he's just on a different topic now but he's he's on that topic now still with you

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so he'll bring you in and you'll go on this little adventure for a while and when he's ready to come

00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:43.680
back you can just go and start a conversation with him he's like oh, hey i just wanna talk about you

00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:51.280
just keep going it's you are not off of the adventure he's not ignoring he's just yeah

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you are welcome to go with him um oh man anyways back to uh yeah what are we supposed to be talking

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about way off of it yeah we're on youtube right spam cracked out yeah so this was a coincidence

00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:12.320
um oh okay hold on we do have some discussion questions how bad is comment spam in LMG's

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experience it's gotten a lot better but i have still noticed some i mean mostly breaking through

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yep i've noticed some i've noticed i'm still seeing some of the copy pasting a highly upvoted

00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:32.480
comment with just like a sexual profile picture stuff like that i'm still seeing a fair bit of

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that i've seen almost none of the whatsapp bots though uh message me on whatsapp with like that

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has gone a lot better yep the the one that you just

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mentioned copy pasting a highly uploaded comment that i've seen a lot more and i've seen it making

00:24:48.320 --> 00:24:53.200
small edits which is interesting oh that i haven't noticed but i've never gone and looked for the

00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:59.020
original i all i know i didn't particularly find the original i just assumed that's what it was

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doing uh but on a video fairly recently i said the control f thing the comment included my name

00:25:06.220 --> 00:25:12.780
and then ended up finding like a huge amount of almost identically the same comment and then

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like lewd profile photo interesting what is this and it a lot of them were exactly the same and

00:25:19.340 --> 00:25:23.820
then other ones would have like slight edits it feels like maybe they like kind of merge

00:25:23.820 --> 00:25:29.500
two comments together somewhat right or maybe they're editing off of each other or maybe that

00:25:29.500 --> 00:25:36.220
i don't 100 know what interesting really really really similar yeah um it definitely

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does seem like it's improved i would like to see them i think that timing out is a good middle ground

00:25:43.020 --> 00:25:49.500
i don't agree with everything youtube does especially around content moderation but i think

00:25:49.500 --> 00:25:54.620
that timeout is a good middle ground between just outright removing accounts that are perceived as

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spammy because the line between a really smart chat bot and some people is blurry indeed so i

00:26:06.460 --> 00:26:12.780
think that it is possible that they could actually end up banning a lot of real human accounts if

00:26:12.780 --> 00:26:14.220
they just banned people

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but timeout is a is a great way to dramatically reduce the effectiveness of bots yeah and give

00:26:21.180 --> 00:26:29.340
them time to go in and like prune these with a more hopefully manual process yeah um but also

00:26:30.460 --> 00:26:36.140
you know not accidentally throw out a bunch of wheat with chaff jaden and full-plane chat just

00:26:36.140 --> 00:26:41.100
said to be clear jaden one of the full-plane developers in full-plane chat just said gpt3

00:26:41.100 --> 00:26:44.140
is terrifying for spam ab-so-lutely yeah absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely

00:26:44.460 --> 00:26:49.900
that really is yeah i mean there could be so much more spam than i realized like a lot

00:26:49.900 --> 00:26:57.020
of the spam comments could be totally benign now because these accounts are building up

00:26:57.020 --> 00:27:03.260
a history over a long over a long period of time of leaving good comments so that it's a lot harder

00:27:03.260 --> 00:27:08.220
to identify them as a bot six months or 18 months down the road i mean that's one of the things

00:27:08.780 --> 00:27:12.380
that is um of value when it comes to

00:27:12.380 --> 00:27:23.480
either renting out or selling a botnet or like a fake account for whether it's a social media

00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:31.280
platform or YouTube or whatever else, is if you have long-term established accounts that have not

00:27:31.280 --> 00:27:35.720
in that time been flagged as spam accounts, they're way more valuable. That's one of the

00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:42.080
reasons why stealing something like an old inactive Reddit account is absolutely something

00:27:42.080 --> 00:27:50.580
that a spammer would want to do. And they can even target them. Subtopic. And it's a total

00:27:50.580 --> 00:27:57.780
coincidence that this happens to be on the same week, but I have decided to reverse something that

00:27:57.780 --> 00:28:06.580
has been a long-time policy for me. And the reason is pretty straightforward. Let me just see if I

00:28:06.580 --> 00:28:12.780
can find my thing. No, that's not it. I have an email that just I had sent.

00:28:12.820 --> 00:28:20.690
To a couple of people, James Wan, that should bring it up. Just kind of talking about, you know,

00:28:20.730 --> 00:28:30.830
what would, what would qualify as, oh, that's not the right one. Darn it. Hold on. I will find this.

00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:33.720
I don't know how to say it. Nobody's looking for it, so I can't help them.

00:28:34.180 --> 00:28:38.940
Yeah, here we go. Okay. So I have said in the past many times that when it comes to

00:28:38.940 --> 00:28:44.340
content moderation under videos, I'm basically kind of like, yeah, it's,

00:28:44.420 --> 00:28:51.580
kind of anything goes outside of, you know, really, really toxic, obvious spam, abusive

00:28:51.580 --> 00:28:56.960
behavior, anything like that. You know, go ahead and say whatever you want. But as I was reading

00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:05.500
through the comments on one of our recent videos, what I realized is that that policy has led to a

00:29:05.500 --> 00:29:13.100
very, very low conversation quality under the videos, if you kind of understand what I mean.

00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:13.620
Yep.

00:29:14.520 --> 00:29:22.340
And so one of the things that I've decided to start doing is just using the hide from channel

00:29:22.340 --> 00:29:31.160
button a lot more liberally. So here's an example of, you know, a critical take that would absolutely

00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:35.820
never get you hidden from the channel. So this was on the Corsair Xenon Flex video.

00:29:36.380 --> 00:29:40.140
I consider myself a bit of a tech enthusiast, but I just don't understand the point of these

00:29:40.140 --> 00:29:44.500
flex monitors. Like not in any way at all. I think it's such a total waste of resources.

00:29:44.520 --> 00:29:48.920
And I wouldn't even consider buying one at any point in time for any price point. If I was given

00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:55.620
one, I'd sell it or give it away. Honestly, I don't agree with that take. That is, I can

00:29:55.620 --> 00:30:01.360
absolutely see the value of it at the current price. Pretty challenging. But to say that you'd

00:30:01.360 --> 00:30:06.640
be given something for free and not at least give it a shot, I think is pretty closed minded. Like,

00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:14.560
I don't agree with this comment, but it's, it's absolutely valid. An example of something that,

00:30:14.580 --> 00:30:20.880
that is not valid and just simply doesn't need to be under the video is this one. Linus casually

00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:28.140
suggesting 1440p 240 Hertz and OLED at peak 700 nits is noob level tier is funny. It tells us

00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:36.330
where his head is. That never happened. Um, I just, I think I'm just kind of done with taking

00:30:36.330 --> 00:30:45.290
things I never said and being like, wow, I can't believe he said that. What I said was that none of

00:30:45.290 --> 00:30:56.150
its specs individually are best in class top of the line. And none of those specs are 1440p is not

00:30:56.150 --> 00:31:03.350
the highest resolution. 240 Hertz is not the highest refresh rate and 700 nits peak brightness

00:31:03.350 --> 00:31:09.650
is not as bright as a monitor will get. But you said that you like pancakes. That means you hate

00:31:09.650 --> 00:31:15.230
waffles. Right? So what I went on to say is that, but what it is, is a really great,

00:31:15.290 --> 00:31:24.520
great package. And so this is one of those things that I, I think over the long term,

00:31:24.520 --> 00:31:29.140
I think it's going to take a long time, but I think over the long term could have a really

00:31:29.140 --> 00:31:33.160
positive impact on the kind of conversations that people can have in the comments, because that's

00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:37.900
another thing I've noticed is that there's a lot less of it. Now. I don't see long conversation

00:31:37.900 --> 00:31:42.040
threads the way that I used to like technical long conversation threads. And it's something

00:31:42.040 --> 00:31:47.560
that I just didn't notice until I thought about it. Uh, like an, another one.

00:31:47.560 --> 00:31:47.600
Yeah.

00:31:47.600 --> 00:31:55.980
One thing that came up a lot on that video in particular was, um, people really upset that I

00:31:55.980 --> 00:32:05.980
called 1440p low res. I didn't, I said that on a 43 inch display, 1440p is low res.

00:32:05.980 --> 00:32:07.660
Yeah. Relativity matters.

00:32:07.660 --> 00:32:16.360
It is resolution is not pixel count. And so basically if it's, when it comes to,

00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:20.120
well, it's not pixels per inch.

00:32:20.120 --> 00:32:27.000
Um, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Pixels per inch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the, so, so I just,

00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:31.740
I'm finding that I get a headache a lot reading YouTube comments, but I can't stop reading them.

00:32:31.740 --> 00:32:36.720
So I'm going to have to start just being like, no, I'm not gonna, I can't engage with that.

00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.120
So you're still reading it though.

00:32:39.120 --> 00:32:43.020
No, because when you hide it from the channel, then I just will never have to

00:32:43.020 --> 00:32:44.160
read anything from that person again.

00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.740
Oh, it doesn't just hide that comment.

00:32:46.740 --> 00:32:47.820
Nope. It means bye-bye.

00:32:47.820 --> 00:32:49.140
So you're shadow banning the user.

00:32:49.140 --> 00:32:49.500
Yeah.

00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:50.100
Got it.

00:32:50.100 --> 00:32:51.600
Yep. I think I'm, I think,

00:32:51.600 --> 00:32:55.320
I'm just done. Uh, I think I just, I think I'm just not interested in reading.

00:32:55.320 --> 00:33:00.000
Uh, you took so much flack because you're still chilling NVIDIA and don't just own your mistake.

00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:05.760
If you send spend 30 minutes chilling NVIDIA and five seconds in the end and say something

00:33:05.760 --> 00:33:10.960
remote bad is still chilling NVIDIA, but now that you are serious tech channel at this point,

00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.200
just label the channel paid by NVIDIA.

00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:21.610
This was on our radio on 7,900 review, where if anything, we apologized for taking such a pro AMD,

00:33:21.730 --> 00:33:28.970
stance like i just if you don't watch the video and you just are gonna be like that i just i think

00:33:28.970 --> 00:33:34.320
i'm done with you forever i think it's just gonna have to be like that i don't know maybe i'll maybe

00:33:34.320 --> 00:33:41.220
i'll change my mind but i i just i i just i just can't i just can't anymore i'm tired you know

00:33:41.220 --> 00:33:47.800
yeah uh james asks will this be an official LMG thing the answer is no this is just gonna be a

00:33:47.800 --> 00:33:54.900
like if i'm scrolling and i just see a just catastrophically brain dead take i'm just gonna

00:33:54.900 --> 00:33:58.320
be like sorry i just i actually can't read what you write anymore because you might get the might

00:33:58.320 --> 00:34:05.640
get the Linus banhammer it makes my brain hurt yeah it's the the stuff that is incredibly annoying

00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:11.140
and we i think we've talked about this in the past is the stuff that's just like they clearly

00:34:11.140 --> 00:34:17.580
either like didn't actually watch it and just yeah reacted before watching the content or they're

00:34:17.580 --> 00:34:18.100
taking stuff and they're like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm

00:34:18.100 --> 00:34:28.280
like you saying oh on this massive screen this is a low resolution as just completely out of context

00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:34.340
chopping off the on this massive screen part and then going after it like it's not it's not good

00:34:34.340 --> 00:34:39.140
it's not good conversation yeah i don't know it is it is a little tough though and i do like that

00:34:39.140 --> 00:34:45.340
you're not making it like an LMG rule yeah because i think that would be a hard thing to manage across

00:34:45.340 --> 00:34:48.080
a team of people and just oh for sure without a bit of time yeah i think that would be a hard thing

00:34:48.100 --> 00:34:49.200
yeah because i think that would be a hard thing to manage across a team of people and just oh for sure

00:34:49.200 --> 00:34:53.720
yeah well everyone technically has the ability i actually can't prevent anyone with access to the

00:34:53.720 --> 00:34:58.480
channel from like shadow banning someone i i don't think the management tools are that granular at

00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:02.640
least not since i've looked at them uh but it's just you know it's the kind of thing that i just

00:35:05.250 --> 00:35:10.250
i i i don't i don't know maybe i mean maybe the right answer is something else entirely

00:35:10.250 --> 00:35:16.370
like okay one of the things that i've pitched to youtube multiple times and i would love to

00:35:16.370 --> 00:35:22.770
be a feature is the ability to respond to a comment that i'm reading with a short like one

00:35:22.770 --> 00:35:29.570
of the one of the comments that came up a lot on the xenon flex video is people misunderstanding

00:35:29.570 --> 00:35:35.890
what i meant by low resolution for the size uh and and some people seemed genuinely like

00:35:35.890 --> 00:35:42.930
really upset really upset that i was attacking their 1080p monitor and like like treating them

00:35:42.930 --> 00:35:47.090
like they were poor and worthless or something because they had a 1080p monitor and this one

00:35:47.090 --> 00:35:57.440
was 1440p and i'm sitting here going no i said it was low but but before the size your monitor

00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:04.800
your 1080p like 22 inch monitor or 24 inch monitor or even 27 inch monitor is actually

00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:09.920
higher pixel density than this thing i have a 27 inch 1440p monitor it's great i don't want

00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:13.620
anything bigger i think for the screen size it's good but the problem is that

00:36:13.700 --> 00:36:18.740
at 43 inches yeah then i would want something more it's a different story

00:36:19.540 --> 00:36:27.860
and so if you're not going to listen to what i'm saying at all i i i i i i don't know but

00:36:27.860 --> 00:36:32.340
but that could easily be a misunderstanding so the way that i would love to respond to

00:36:32.340 --> 00:36:38.850
something like that is with a short hey i'm seeing this comment a lot i'd like to clarify

00:36:38.850 --> 00:36:43.010
what i meant because i think there's a misinterpretation where people are thinking

00:36:43.010 --> 00:36:44.050
resolution equals the size of the monitor or the size of the monitor or the size of the monitor

00:36:44.050 --> 00:36:51.410
equals pixel count but resolution is actually the resolving the res the the the resolute how

00:36:51.410 --> 00:36:57.410
the eye can resolve the image like it's that that's where resolution comes from we're talking

00:36:57.410 --> 00:37:05.650
about the the clarity and clarity is affected by a lot more than pixel count 1080p could be

00:37:05.650 --> 00:37:14.600
incredibly clear on a display this size that would be like mind-blowing like you could get this close

00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:21.320
you'd be like wow this is sharp right we keep on you keep saying pixel count um but pixels per inch

00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:27.560
no no pixel count is 1920 by 1080. yeah but you that's a pixel count resolution is not pixel count

00:37:29.060 --> 00:37:34.020
it's not pixel count okay so pixels per inch is not a count of pixels

00:37:34.950 --> 00:37:40.870
that's that's a count of pixels per distance no i know oh okay but you're saying resolution

00:37:40.870 --> 00:37:44.550
is not pixel count and i understand what you're saying with the clarity thing okay but if you look

00:37:45.750 --> 00:38:13.330
at the output the кожwagon is not pixel count so par

00:38:14.450 --> 00:38:15.250
the resolution is actually the dollars box

00:38:15.250 --> 00:38:15.330
which is who's telling the people and that's when the realm really became start to signal a lot of resolutions this got past like still have reviews on Facebook and Facebook nearuh I feel like kind of the more i think that has happened mostly with that resolution colon this yes and that's something where this yes and that's something where that's the industry has failed consumers yeah i'm just the reason why i'm just the reason i keep saying it is because people are gonna there's people saying yeah people are going to misinterpret that no resolution is not pixel count resolution is a function of pixel count display size and viewing distance stick how pixel hyan

00:38:16.130 --> 00:38:23.590
The word resolution to describe pixel count is because it was a much easier way to market it

00:38:23.590 --> 00:38:29.230
That's why this is one of those areas where product marketing and has utterly

00:38:29.810 --> 00:38:31.890
failed consumers because

00:38:32.610 --> 00:38:39.790
By focusing on pixel count and that's the reason that I'm framing it that way then by focusing on the number of pixels

00:38:39.890 --> 00:38:41.890
you are actually and

00:38:41.890 --> 00:38:46.910
Doing a complete disservice to the user because you are not telling them the useful information

00:38:47.830 --> 00:38:54.650
that's one of the reasons that Apple in my opinion wisely stayed out of the

00:38:55.770 --> 00:39:01.170
Resolution race when it came to phone displays because pixel count is what matters

00:39:01.930 --> 00:39:03.930
excuse me pixel count because

00:39:04.450 --> 00:39:11.730
It's because what matters is a combination of the pixel count the size of the display and the

00:39:11.890 --> 00:39:16.910
Intended viewing distance as long as those three things are balanced

00:39:17.860 --> 00:39:24.440
You don't actually need any more. And so in the same way that a 1080p projector at

00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:30.320
You know a hundred and twenty inches is going to look like garbage

00:39:31.300 --> 00:39:33.300
a 4k projector

00:39:33.940 --> 00:39:36.720
actually, okay, so 4k is a really interesting one because

00:39:38.210 --> 00:39:42.410
Then you start getting into how much of your field of view should actually be

00:39:42.410 --> 00:39:46.030
Occupied by content and so the bigger you make the image

00:39:46.650 --> 00:39:52.870
The farther away you have to sit right and so going beyond 4k actually may not matter in any context

00:39:52.870 --> 00:39:55.750
But at but at lower resolution the further you get away from the screen

00:39:56.790 --> 00:39:59.250
Exactly. So because of that distance function

00:40:00.030 --> 00:40:04.450
Going higher than 4k can almost never matter like you can sit close enough to an 8k TV

00:40:04.450 --> 00:40:07.710
But you can make out the difference between 8k and 4k

00:40:09.690 --> 00:40:12.490
But you're sitting it's taking up so much

00:40:12.490 --> 00:40:16.810
Of your field of view that the content is not really designed to be enjoyed that way

00:40:18.110 --> 00:40:24.410
Like you you're like you're gonna miss details because you're I think it's only like 4 degrees or 8 degree

00:40:24.410 --> 00:40:30.750
I forget I forget how much of your field of vision is actually sharp and your peripheral vision is not

00:40:30.790 --> 00:40:37.250
So by sitting too close to the content you actually reduce the amount of the content that you can see clearly

00:40:37.430 --> 00:40:42.560
No matter what the resolution of the display is and by resolution

00:40:42.560 --> 00:40:45.800
I do mean the relative pixel count compared to the

00:40:46.720 --> 00:40:50.570
display size

00:40:50.570 --> 00:40:54.810
Someone a full plane chat said what you're describing is optical resolution versus image resolution

00:40:54.810 --> 00:41:01.830
Yes, but they're closely related and there's still confusion there as well. If you google image resolution the first result from

00:41:02.450 --> 00:41:03.590
I

00:41:03.590 --> 00:41:10.390
Don't know what university this is, but it's some edu website is image resolution is typically described in PPI

00:41:12.050 --> 00:41:14.080
In printing it is okay

00:41:14.700 --> 00:41:21.360
So isn't that interest that would make a lot more sense isn't that interesting so we actually do use pixels per inch

00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:23.360
So we did it we did it right first

00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:25.140
right

00:41:25.140 --> 00:41:27.860
But we didn't because digital cameras

00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:33.020
Which were really coming up right around the time of photo printers

00:41:34.490 --> 00:41:35.710
also

00:41:35.710 --> 00:41:42.690
We're measured in pixels instead of pixels per inch rip because it's the only way to really

00:41:44.120 --> 00:41:45.420
to conveniently

00:41:45.420 --> 00:41:49.540
Say, you know how how fine the image is

00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:51.700
right

00:41:51.700 --> 00:41:55.820
Because the reason we use pixels per inch for print is because we know

00:41:56.790 --> 00:41:59.490
What the scale is going to be?

00:42:00.230 --> 00:42:08.010
But digitally we don't that two megapixel picture could be this big it could be this big so the actual

00:42:08.550 --> 00:42:09.930
resolution of it

00:42:09.930 --> 00:42:16.510
Could be completely different but the pixel count will that we can convey I know

00:42:16.770 --> 00:42:22.770
It's really complicated and I don't I don't know how to fix it. I don't think you necessarily can

00:42:23.310 --> 00:42:27.300
So so yeah, that it's frustrating

00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:28.760
um

00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:30.480
Anyhoo

00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:33.380
Why don't we talk about tick-tock taking on YouTube with?

00:42:34.140 --> 00:42:35.220
experimental

00:42:35.220 --> 00:42:36.940
get this

00:42:36.940 --> 00:42:39.200
landscape video

00:42:39.200 --> 00:42:45.640
Yeah, what I find kind of funny about the little thumbnail that we have here is that it's it's still not the full screen

00:42:45.740 --> 00:42:47.140
Which I find kind of interesting

00:42:47.140 --> 00:42:48.280
I don't know if that's because of how the person called me it's like is it like though is it?

00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:55.160
of how the person filmed it or what um but yeah it's still only part of the screen which is

00:42:55.160 --> 00:43:01.290
interesting so this is a duet it's actually two vertical videos yeah but you can do that when it's

00:43:02.010 --> 00:43:09.680
oh is that why because they can't horizontally expand their currently vertical content oh that's

00:43:09.680 --> 00:43:14.560
weird i don't know anyways yeah uh the feature marks uh another way that tick tock is competing

00:43:14.560 --> 00:43:20.000
with youtube particularly in terms of attracting longer form video creators and increasing the max

00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:25.120
video length to 10 minutes back in february we talked about that as well yeah i somewhat

00:43:25.120 --> 00:43:29.760
questioned the attracting longer form video creators i mean i'm sure it will happen uh but

00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:37.200
i have seen a bunch of stuff about monetization on tick tock and unless you're getting them sponsors

00:43:38.670 --> 00:43:44.670
it's quite lacking yeah that's pretty tough i think that they're i mean obviously they're

00:43:44.670 --> 00:43:44.730
not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're

00:43:44.730 --> 00:43:51.130
not going to be able to attract long-form horizontal video creators without allowing

00:43:51.130 --> 00:43:55.130
long-form videos that are horizontal well theoretically they do that now

00:43:55.850 --> 00:44:01.210
but they're also not going to be able to attract long-form creators if they don't

00:44:01.210 --> 00:44:05.210
implement some kind of reasonable revenue split i mean it'll it'll have to still be

00:44:05.210 --> 00:44:10.410
in the funnel model right where you use things like tick tock to gain followers and fans and

00:44:10.410 --> 00:44:14.650
then you funnel them elsewhere so that you can gain monetization from them or else

00:44:14.650 --> 00:44:19.930
you won't be able to fund doing what you're trying to do um people sometimes talk about

00:44:19.930 --> 00:44:22.890
the funnel model when you talk about twitch because like if you start on twitch you're

00:44:22.890 --> 00:44:27.370
basically going to gain no one new until you're really really big so you have to funnel people

00:44:27.370 --> 00:44:34.700
into there eventually um yeah yeah i'm trying to think of like what it would take for me to

00:44:34.700 --> 00:44:40.940
start uploading our long form content on tick tock and the question isn't really could we do

00:44:40.940 --> 00:44:45.180
it yeah of course of course we could like well as long as it's under 10 minutes yeah it could be

00:44:45.180 --> 00:44:53.420
it could be fairly easily integrated into our workflow but why yeah why would we do it yeah

00:44:53.420 --> 00:44:58.060
i guess is the question and i honestly this is a question that comes up a lot for me

00:44:58.780 --> 00:45:05.900
why exactly is it that every social and online video platform feels the need

00:45:07.530 --> 00:45:16.170
to just copy each other and become each other i kind of and this is this is probably just me

00:45:16.490 --> 00:45:23.370
like old man yells at cloud you know like why does youtube need a a competitor for tick tock

00:45:23.370 --> 00:45:29.050
why does it need these you know 30 second to one minute videos why can't youtube be youtube

00:45:29.050 --> 00:45:35.210
and tick tock be tick tock and everyone is just fine with youtube being youtube and tick tock

00:45:35.210 --> 00:45:40.970
being tick tock i do kind of wish platforms focused a little bit less on feature chasing

00:45:40.970 --> 00:45:46.090
and a little bit more on like not being crap like we had a problem with teams the other day

00:45:46.090 --> 00:45:46.330
yeah

00:45:47.050 --> 00:45:53.690
the other day being i think yesterday no wait yeah yesterday um and it's just coming off of

00:45:53.690 --> 00:45:58.570
that i'm just like man like i wish we could have used msn because it was more stable like i would

00:45:58.570 --> 00:46:04.570
have expected everything we did pretty much to have worked on msn better than it did on teams

00:46:04.570 --> 00:46:10.090
and that's crazy it's made by the same company but it's like two decades newer you'd think it

00:46:10.090 --> 00:46:15.850
would be better and obviously in some ways it is i'm not that stupid but like it's just it's so

00:46:15.850 --> 00:46:23.290
in unstable it's one of those things where i mean even stability aside what identity does a platform

00:46:23.290 --> 00:46:29.260
have anymore yeah like i as someone who hasn't used facebook in quite some time other than to

00:46:29.820 --> 00:46:36.620
occasionally get like a messenger chat from someone that i know that manes messenger um i

00:46:36.620 --> 00:46:43.820
don't really understand what facebook's identity is anymore because they kind of have everything

00:46:43.820 --> 00:46:45.820
and i feel the same way about youtube's

00:46:45.980 --> 00:46:51.300
these days. What exactly is it that I go on to YouTube for? I mean, I understand what YouTube

00:46:51.300 --> 00:46:58.100
wants me to do. They just want me to spend as much time as possible in their app. But beyond that,

00:46:58.100 --> 00:47:05.060
what is your identity? What is your elevator pitch for, pretend I'm a completely new user.

00:47:05.140 --> 00:47:10.480
I've never seen your platform before. I am choosing a video platform that I am going to

00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:17.440
watch videos on. What's your pitch? Well, we've got this and we've got this and we've got this

00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:23.820
and we've got this. And I'm like, okay, but right. But this elevator ride ended a while ago. Yeah.

00:47:23.820 --> 00:47:30.200
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like YouTube out of all the ones that you mentioned almost

00:47:30.200 --> 00:47:37.180
feels like it's the most focused. Sort of. I mean, not as much these days. Stories was a super weird

00:47:37.180 --> 00:47:42.860
detour that has gotten basically no development since they launched it. You know, I've been saying

00:47:42.860 --> 00:47:43.020
for a long time, I've been saying, I've been saying, I've been saying, I've been saying, I've

00:47:43.020 --> 00:47:47.440
been saying for like two years now or something like that. I don't know, a long time. I've been

00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:51.340
saying for a long time, like, hey, I understand that short form video is not going anywhere,

00:47:51.340 --> 00:47:57.680
but I couldn't help noticing that shorts and stories are extremely disjointed.

00:47:59.290 --> 00:48:01.590
Like why? I thought those were the same thing.

00:48:01.790 --> 00:48:07.870
No. What is, what are they? Stories is the competitor for Instagram stories, which are,

00:48:08.330 --> 00:48:13.130
what's the word? Ethereal, ephemeral, whatever. They're non-persistent.

00:48:13.410 --> 00:48:13.570
Yeah. Yeah.

00:48:13.570 --> 00:48:18.570
Um, ephemeral, I believe is the word. So non-persistent videos that are meant to be just

00:48:18.570 --> 00:48:23.350
like a, like a casual update. Hi, this is definitely not totally rehearsed. And this

00:48:23.350 --> 00:48:29.030
is absolutely the first time I recorded it. Let me just do this perfectly, uh, timed camera movement.

00:48:29.250 --> 00:48:36.350
Bye. Uh, so that's a story, right? And then a short can be edited. You can put stickers on it.

00:48:36.410 --> 00:48:42.310
It might have music or dancing or whatever else, but it's just a short form VOD effectively.

00:48:42.310 --> 00:48:49.750
So stories are, so it's supposed to go in, in order of spontaneity from live to stories,

00:48:49.750 --> 00:48:56.810
to shorts, to VOD, right? So it kind of sits in between live and, and shorts.

00:48:57.050 --> 00:48:59.050
Okay. Uh, I didn't even know it existed.

00:48:59.410 --> 00:49:04.070
Yeah. There are some cool things about it. One thing that's really neat is that you can reply

00:49:04.070 --> 00:49:10.720
to a comment on a story with a story. So if you upload a story, that's like, hey, I'm here in my

00:49:10.720 --> 00:49:12.200
garage. I just wanted to share this story with you. And then you can upload a story that's like,

00:49:12.200 --> 00:49:15.260
I'm here in my garage. I just wanted to share some knowledge with you. And someone were to ask,

00:49:15.580 --> 00:49:20.060
hey, what's the best knowledge you have in your garage? You could pull some knowledge out of it

00:49:20.060 --> 00:49:25.140
and be like, this is my favorite knowledge. And that story would have a, uh, it would actually

00:49:25.140 --> 00:49:29.580
have the comment, like the original comment. And so you just reply to it directly. You don't have

00:49:29.580 --> 00:49:34.800
to say, hey, someone asked me what my favorite knowledge is. And this is it. And that's the

00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:39.840
ephemeral content. Yeah. So it goes up for a little while and then it just like goes away.

00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.240
And it actually like got a lot of views. I don't know.

00:49:42.260 --> 00:49:46.320
I don't know what those view numbers meant. I don't know what percentage of the video they

00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:51.280
watched or, or whatever else, but. Jaden said like YouTube video replies from 15 years ago.

00:49:51.420 --> 00:49:57.600
I know. Right. Yeah. And I think there's a lot of room for, for development there. Like they

00:49:57.600 --> 00:50:03.040
could have taken stories and turned it into a cameo like feature, for example, that could have

00:50:03.040 --> 00:50:09.180
been extremely powerful for creator monetization. I, I pitched something earlier. I would love to

00:50:09.180 --> 00:50:11.860
be able to reply to like a highly uploaded story. I would love to be able to reply to like a highly

00:50:12.260 --> 00:50:21.530
uploaded video comment with a story. They should take something from OnlyFans and do paid requests.

00:50:23.600 --> 00:50:28.540
Uh, paid requests. Oh, oh, where you just send a message to the creator. Well, I, is that,

00:50:28.660 --> 00:50:33.520
is that that different from cameo? I don't know how it actually works. Okay. Cameo is you,

00:50:33.680 --> 00:50:38.160
you. I don't know how it works on either. So on cameo, you set a price and it's like,

00:50:38.160 --> 00:50:43.580
you know, $20 or $200. Like it's kind of all over the place and people will basically send

00:50:43.580 --> 00:50:49.460
you a request. Hey, can you wish Jeremy happy birthday? He likes tigers, you know, or whatever.

00:50:49.700 --> 00:50:54.400
And then they'll record it and fire it over to you. Okay. So is that kind of what. I don't know

00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:59.300
how it works. So it might be exactly the same. Yeah. I think it's, I think it's fairly similar.

00:50:59.460 --> 00:51:05.940
Okay. Yeah. But I know you can like ask for something and say that you'll, I think you can,

00:51:06.040 --> 00:51:11.220
I don't, I genuinely don't. That's why I don't know how it works. Whatever. Stop it. Uh, I think

00:51:11.220 --> 00:51:17.240
you can ask for something custom. Like say you wanted, um, pictures of something. You could ask

00:51:17.240 --> 00:51:21.020
for it and say, you'll pay a certain amount, right? So if you could do that on YouTube,

00:51:21.020 --> 00:51:25.840
if you could ask a YouTube creator for a video of something and say, you'd pay a certain amount,

00:51:25.980 --> 00:51:29.480
that could be an interesting monetization. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I mean,

00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:34.900
another thing too, is that one of the, I would admit it if I used it, it's not that weird.

00:51:35.080 --> 00:51:39.940
One of the things that YouTube is not shy about pushing is channel memberships.

00:51:40.340 --> 00:51:40.860
So,

00:51:41.220 --> 00:51:47.340
There's Super Thanks, I believe, is a way that you can boost a comment under a video.

00:51:48.040 --> 00:51:52.540
Members are supposed to get some kind of priority NVIDIA comments.

00:51:53.140 --> 00:51:53.560
Oh, okay.

00:51:53.980 --> 00:52:03.440
I would see replying to a channel member with a story as a way that you could incentivize people to sign up and become members of the channel.

00:52:04.040 --> 00:52:08.960
And because we have Floatplane, it's not something that you'd be likely to see us do a ton of.

00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:17.920
But if I was a niche creator, a smaller creator, or even a larger one who was completely YouTube-focused, I could see stuff like that being extremely powerful.

00:52:18.680 --> 00:52:31.340
But, hey, I'm not in charge of YouTube, obviously, so I guess they'll just keep not developing meaningful ways for creators to interact with their viewers, and that'll be great.

00:52:31.500 --> 00:52:34.150
Yeah, pretty much.

00:52:34.410 --> 00:52:34.770
Neat.

00:52:35.490 --> 00:52:37.770
As for TikTok, I just...

00:52:38.820 --> 00:52:40.380
I don't know.

00:52:40.620 --> 00:52:41.580
I just don't...

00:52:41.580 --> 00:52:42.200
I wish it would die.

00:52:42.900 --> 00:52:43.720
It won't, though.

00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:44.200
I know.

00:52:44.580 --> 00:52:50.980
They apparently now outrank YouTube for average minutes per day spent by people ages 4 to 18.

00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.860
Who is putting their 4-year-old on TikTok?

00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:58.880
That was my biggest reaction to that, was that you started with 4.

00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:02.200
Whoa.

00:53:03.880 --> 00:53:04.440
Wow.

00:53:06.160 --> 00:53:11.240
True Scott asks, would you take the CEO job for YouTube if they offered it to you?

00:53:12.050 --> 00:53:13.150
How do I put this?

00:53:13.790 --> 00:53:14.990
I don't think they can afford me.

00:53:18.170 --> 00:53:18.530
We...

00:53:18.530 --> 00:53:20.390
I think this is going to be the year, Luke.

00:53:21.070 --> 00:53:26.770
I think this is going to be the year that LTT Store revenue eclipses video production revenue.

00:53:28.090 --> 00:53:29.470
They've dropped some bangers.

00:53:29.550 --> 00:53:32.150
We also did, I think, Backpack and Screwdriver this year.

00:53:32.190 --> 00:53:32.570
We did.

00:53:32.730 --> 00:53:33.010
Yeah.

00:53:33.210 --> 00:53:33.850
Well, don't worry.

00:53:33.950 --> 00:53:35.370
There's bangers coming next year, too.

00:53:35.470 --> 00:53:35.730
Yeah.

00:53:36.270 --> 00:53:39.290
I'm almost ready to start teasing some pretty cool stuff.

00:53:39.550 --> 00:53:40.690
One of them was in a video.

00:53:41.170 --> 00:53:41.570
Oh, what?

00:53:41.770 --> 00:53:42.010
Yeah.

00:53:42.110 --> 00:53:42.530
What was it?

00:53:42.630 --> 00:53:43.590
I think it got reported.

00:53:44.330 --> 00:53:45.010
What was it?

00:53:45.410 --> 00:53:46.090
Just tell me.

00:53:46.730 --> 00:53:47.090
Well.

00:53:47.830 --> 00:53:48.370
I'm ready.

00:53:48.810 --> 00:53:49.490
It was in a video?

00:53:49.610 --> 00:53:50.610
Do you know what I'm talking about?

00:53:50.790 --> 00:53:50.990
No.

00:53:51.820 --> 00:53:53.880
Well, I don't know how many people noticed it was there.

00:53:54.120 --> 00:53:55.060
I don't know if I want to say anything.

00:53:55.180 --> 00:53:56.100
Oh, did we remove it?

00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:57.460
I don't know, to be honest.

00:53:59.910 --> 00:54:00.910
I say go for it.

00:54:01.190 --> 00:54:02.210
You put the thing in the thing?

00:54:02.310 --> 00:54:03.010
I'll say it that way.

00:54:03.610 --> 00:54:03.870
What?

00:54:04.250 --> 00:54:05.070
Oh, the shape sorter.

00:54:05.070 --> 00:54:05.330
Yeah.

00:54:05.510 --> 00:54:06.010
Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:54:06.010 --> 00:54:06.450
That's fine.

00:54:06.570 --> 00:54:06.830
Okay.

00:54:06.890 --> 00:54:07.730
We can talk about the shape sorter.

00:54:08.010 --> 00:54:08.390
No, no.

00:54:08.410 --> 00:54:09.390
That's not going to be a banger.

00:54:09.930 --> 00:54:10.130
No.

00:54:10.330 --> 00:54:10.530
Yeah.

00:54:10.530 --> 00:54:11.610
That's a new product.

00:54:11.730 --> 00:54:11.850
Yeah.

00:54:11.990 --> 00:54:15.230
We'll sell some and babies will play with them and it'll be cute.

00:54:15.450 --> 00:54:15.610
Yeah.

00:54:15.630 --> 00:54:16.270
But no, no.

00:54:18.010 --> 00:54:19.590
We're getting products actually.

00:54:19.750 --> 00:54:20.030
I know.

00:54:20.090 --> 00:54:20.330
I know.

00:54:20.470 --> 00:54:20.770
Sorry.

00:54:20.990 --> 00:54:25.190
I know a lot of people that are getting the like baby stuff this year for Christmas off

00:54:25.190 --> 00:54:25.510
the store.

00:54:25.770 --> 00:54:30.770
Like a lot of people our age know people that have small babies.

00:54:31.130 --> 00:54:31.330
Yeah.

00:54:31.490 --> 00:54:36.530
And a lot of them that I know have casually mentioned, oh, yeah, by the way, I'm getting

00:54:36.530 --> 00:54:38.830
like one of the books in a plushie or whatever else.

00:54:38.930 --> 00:54:40.350
And I'm like, all right.

00:54:41.130 --> 00:54:44.070
Sales have been very good of the book and plushies lately.

00:54:45.470 --> 00:54:45.870
No.

00:54:45.950 --> 00:54:46.990
One of the things we have coming.

00:54:46.990 --> 00:54:53.090
I already teased to Lauren from Tasty PC, a shorty version of the screwdriver short.

00:54:53.270 --> 00:54:54.850
Oh, only six bits.

00:54:55.350 --> 00:54:56.710
And it's like this long.

00:54:57.290 --> 00:55:02.410
So it's meant to be kind of like palmed, but it still has the full, full fat ratchet mechanism

00:55:02.410 --> 00:55:06.610
and still has the magnetic retention for the bits in the shaft.

00:55:06.650 --> 00:55:08.010
Shaft is way shorter as well.

00:55:08.250 --> 00:55:08.690
Way shorter.

00:55:08.910 --> 00:55:11.310
And then handles going to be like super short.

00:55:11.430 --> 00:55:14.910
Like, like basically the whole, the whole thing end to end is about this long.

00:55:15.130 --> 00:55:15.310
Oh, wow.

00:55:15.350 --> 00:55:15.570
Okay.

00:55:15.570 --> 00:55:15.850
Yeah.

00:55:15.950 --> 00:55:16.970
So we're working on a shorty.

00:55:16.990 --> 00:55:17.950
So we're working on a shorty version of the screwdriver.

00:55:22.040 --> 00:55:27.840
There's, there's some potential leaks, which you can maybe go off of because it talks about

00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:28.600
us hiring.

00:55:29.140 --> 00:55:32.620
Also, we're looking for an electronics engineer and then it lists a bunch of things.

00:55:33.020 --> 00:55:34.040
Do we want to say all of these?

00:55:34.040 --> 00:55:34.140
Oh, yeah.

00:55:34.180 --> 00:55:35.240
Why don't we talk about that?

00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:41.520
Yeah, we, we haven't got a ton of applications, just having the electronics engineer position

00:55:41.520 --> 00:55:42.320
up on the site.

00:55:42.500 --> 00:55:45.760
So we're, we're, we're shouting it out on the WAN Show, guys.

00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:48.940
Here are some examples of projects you will be working.

00:55:48.980 --> 00:55:53.000
On if you join our engineering team, potentially, um, a mouse.

00:55:53.700 --> 00:55:55.640
I don't think we've ever talked about that before.

00:55:55.640 --> 00:55:59.480
I don't think so, but it's been on the dog that has been in development for over a year.

00:55:59.900 --> 00:56:03.880
Uh, we actually have some pretty good ideas for how to differentiate.

00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:05.380
Like that's my, that's my whole thing.

00:56:05.740 --> 00:56:09.360
If we're not adding anything to the conversation, why are we doing this?

00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:12.520
I promise you we will be adding something to the conversation.

00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:16.540
Um, the gamer battery bank slash shoe dryer.

00:56:17.140 --> 00:56:18.840
Um, the reason it has.

00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:22.080
The reason it has shoe dryer on the case, stop, be nice.

00:56:22.980 --> 00:56:28.380
The reason it has shoe dryer on there is because that was the original reason that I wanted it.

00:56:28.680 --> 00:56:34.800
I just wanted something that you can like throw in your realistically, not in your shoe, but actually just like in your bag.

00:56:35.220 --> 00:56:36.480
Uh, have I talked to you about it before?

00:56:36.520 --> 00:56:36.900
Yeah.

00:56:36.900 --> 00:56:37.440
Oh, okay.

00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:43.640
So the idea is it's something you can just huck in your bag and it'll run for like eight hours and having Kyle tested it.

00:56:43.640 --> 00:56:46.080
And he was like, you're right.

00:56:46.980 --> 00:56:48.040
He was like, not happy.

00:56:48.040 --> 00:56:48.740
He was like, what?

00:56:48.740 --> 00:56:48.980
Tiny little fan.

00:56:48.980 --> 00:56:49.240
Like that.

00:56:49.240 --> 00:56:50.200
I can't make that much of a difference.

00:56:50.200 --> 00:56:53.080
I was like, no, no, even a little bit of airflow is like huge.

00:56:53.260 --> 00:57:06.700
And so over eight hours, uh, how quickly a bet of just like a, a gym bag would dry out compared to if it didn't have even that tiny amount of airflow in it was like, it was a colossal difference.

00:57:06.700 --> 00:57:08.640
It was like half the time or something like that.

00:57:08.980 --> 00:57:15.400
And when it comes to preventing bacteria growth and therefore smell, the faster you can dry something out, the better.

00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:16.620
You don't want it to just sit there.

00:57:16.620 --> 00:57:17.860
Damp anyway.

00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:19.020
The shoe.

00:57:19.020 --> 00:57:29.280
Dryer may or may not ever come to life, but a lot of the work that we did on the shoe dryer is going to be absolutely reusable for the gamer battery bank.

00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:30.780
What makes a battery bank gamer?

00:57:31.200 --> 00:57:36.480
I will get back to you on that one, but there, that we, we have a clear differentiating value add there.

00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:37.980
And I'm really, really excited about it.

00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:40.680
Uh, another one, the RGB doormat.

00:57:40.980 --> 00:57:41.220
Okay.

00:57:41.220 --> 00:57:44.640
This one has been under, this one's been in development for almost two years.

00:57:45.060 --> 00:57:47.300
It's just been stalled by screwdriver.

00:57:47.300 --> 00:57:48.720
So much of the pipeline has been.

00:57:49.020 --> 00:57:50.400
Stalled by screwdriver.

00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:50.900
That makes sense.

00:57:50.900 --> 00:57:55.680
Uh, cause Kyle was working on this one and he pivoted full-time to screwdriver.

00:57:56.220 --> 00:57:58.980
Um, we are working on cables.

00:57:58.980 --> 00:58:01.440
Um, I want a battery tester.

00:58:02.020 --> 00:58:02.440
Okay.

00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:07.560
You know, those things you can buy for like four bucks and it just has like a little pinchy thing and you put your battery in it.

00:58:07.900 --> 00:58:08.720
They suck.

00:58:09.020 --> 00:58:09.640
Yeah.

00:58:10.140 --> 00:58:19.040
They, even when they work, they barely work and I hate them and you can go get a multimeter and like, you know, or like.

00:58:19.080 --> 00:58:23.160
Create yourself a little jig to put your batteries in and hook the multimeter up to that or whatever.

00:58:23.580 --> 00:58:29.160
But I want more, I want way more than just how many volts I'm getting out of the battery.

00:58:30.040 --> 00:58:38.400
I want a product that will do a discharge and recharge cycle and tell me how much capacity is left in a rechargeable battery.

00:58:38.780 --> 00:58:44.860
So obviously I want to be able to quickly test disposables and go, okay, which ones go in the bin, which ones go in the other, more different bin.

00:58:45.740 --> 00:58:49.240
But this is a problem that I can't be the only one who has.

00:58:50.120 --> 00:58:59.120
It's like, I have rechargeable batteries that are like 15 years old because I'm smart and I buy rechargeable batteries and use them for a very, very long time.

00:59:00.560 --> 00:59:02.420
But how good is that one?

00:59:02.560 --> 00:59:11.420
Should that one be, should I be marking that one as like, you know, TV remote duty only, or could I potentially still use it in a hydro device?

00:59:11.420 --> 00:59:13.480
Has it not been cycled that many times?

00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:14.180
I don't know.

00:59:14.380 --> 00:59:19.480
And so I want a device that will tell me the remaining capacity of the battery.

00:59:20.100 --> 00:59:23.520
I, man, I'd be so excited to have that product.

00:59:23.520 --> 00:59:24.760
And I think a lot of people would.

00:59:25.300 --> 00:59:32.760
Um, there is one that exists that we found, but it's like $400 and I'm looking at it going, well, that's not reasonable.

00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:33.180
Right.

00:59:33.300 --> 00:59:34.380
I think we can do better.

00:59:35.020 --> 00:59:42.380
Um, we want to do like wireless charging pucks and desk accessories, um, extended PC access.

00:59:42.380 --> 00:59:45.920
So this is, this would, man, are we really disclosing all of this?

00:59:46.100 --> 00:59:46.520
Okay.

00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:47.720
It's in the DAW.

00:59:47.720 --> 00:59:49.600
I was stunned when I read this for the show.

00:59:49.600 --> 00:59:49.680
Okay.

00:59:49.720 --> 00:59:51.260
I was like, okay.

00:59:51.560 --> 00:59:52.340
Uh, okay.

00:59:52.340 --> 00:59:52.800
You know what?

00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:54.380
I'm not going to say any more.

00:59:54.680 --> 00:59:55.020
All right.

00:59:55.380 --> 00:59:56.480
Uh, cool.

00:59:59.320 --> 00:59:59.560
Okay.

00:59:59.560 --> 01:00:00.320
This one's funny.

01:00:00.520 --> 01:00:02.020
I don't think this came from me.

01:00:02.140 --> 01:00:04.820
An RGB tissue box for the haters.

01:00:06.780 --> 01:00:07.480
I have no idea.

01:00:08.020 --> 01:00:09.560
Uh, anyway, cool.

01:00:09.560 --> 01:00:15.440
So those are some of the things that we, that we want to work on slash have been working on for quite some time.

01:00:15.740 --> 01:00:18.640
Hopefully they all come to life and are huge successes.

01:00:18.820 --> 01:00:20.560
We're going to have some stuff at CES, by the way.

01:00:20.560 --> 01:00:20.820
Did you know that?

01:00:20.820 --> 01:00:25.400
Creator Warehouse is going to CES and they're going to be unveiling some stuff.

01:00:25.700 --> 01:00:27.200
I didn't know they're going to be unveiling stuff.

01:00:27.200 --> 01:00:27.440
Yeah.

01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:27.620
Yeah.

01:00:27.620 --> 01:00:29.200
They're going to be, they're going to be showing stuff there.

01:00:29.200 --> 01:00:29.620
That's cool.

01:00:29.620 --> 01:00:30.480
Which is pretty cool.

01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:33.060
I think they're also trying to recruit other creators.

01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:41.240
Uh, there's a creator that, um, we actually, I was talking with recently that I was like, Hey, like, do you guys want to do a screwdriver?

01:00:41.900 --> 01:00:45.120
All you gotta do is redo one mold like that.

01:00:45.120 --> 01:00:50.700
We intentionally only put our branding on one small mold with the idea.

01:00:50.700 --> 01:01:03.320
Being that if anyone else wanted to brand our screwdriver, all they would have to do is redo that one mold and then boom, we could produce whoever tech tips is screwdrivers.

01:01:03.680 --> 01:01:07.150
Um, I think that would be like super cool.

01:01:07.150 --> 01:01:11.150
Making, making the, making screwing better one driver at a time.

01:01:15.810 --> 01:01:16.350
Oh boy.

01:01:17.150 --> 01:01:21.570
Oh, in other creator merch news, I got Ludwig's bidet.

01:01:22.150 --> 01:01:22.770
Oh, okay.

01:01:23.310 --> 01:01:23.910
I.

01:01:24.150 --> 01:01:32.110
Haven't installed it yet because in North America, it is actually not that typical to have a power outlet right next to your toilet.

01:01:32.690 --> 01:01:36.850
Um, so there, well, yeah, but like, really?

01:01:38.110 --> 01:01:38.610
That's what I did.

01:01:38.850 --> 01:01:39.390
Yeah.

01:01:40.110 --> 01:01:40.450
Okay.

01:01:40.450 --> 01:01:40.770
Great.

01:01:40.770 --> 01:01:44.030
But yeah, like I, I don't want, I mean, it's routed.

01:01:44.110 --> 01:01:47.030
I don't know where the plug in your place would be.

01:01:47.030 --> 01:01:48.950
Well, it was in a completely separate room.

01:01:48.990 --> 01:01:50.610
Oh, that's a lot worse.

01:01:50.610 --> 01:01:53.390
Like the, the main, the main bedroom on suite.

01:01:54.340 --> 01:01:56.920
Um, has a, like a little like toilet room in it.

01:01:57.380 --> 01:01:59.800
Oh, that room does not have a plug in it.

01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:00.260
Okay.

01:02:00.260 --> 01:02:07.380
And so the nearest outlet was you go out of that room across like my entire vanity and then like it's over here.

01:02:07.720 --> 01:02:10.880
So basically it would be going like across my countertop.

01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:11.300
Yeah.

01:02:11.300 --> 01:02:12.300
Into that room.

01:02:12.300 --> 01:02:12.460
Yeah.

01:02:12.460 --> 01:02:12.960
It's not good.

01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:14.300
And that's how you can go through a doorway.

01:02:14.300 --> 01:02:16.500
It's like, yeah, that's not that cool.

01:02:16.680 --> 01:02:16.840
Yeah.

01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:24.220
So I had, uh, I had the very talented electricians who worked on our place come out and put in an outlet.

01:02:24.220 --> 01:02:26.800
For me, uh, next to, next to the toilet.

01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:28.600
And I'm going to be installing it this weekend.

01:02:29.630 --> 01:02:32.670
My butt will be the cleanest it's been since our trip to Japan.

01:02:33.310 --> 01:02:41.510
It was, it was mind, mind opening, um, seeing like the Japanese standard for toilets.

01:02:42.130 --> 01:02:52.210
Like when we were over there, uh, I don't think you went with me to this, like one place that I went, but there was a long car ride that I had to be on for some reason.

01:02:52.210 --> 01:02:53.890
It was like three hours or something like that.

01:02:54.090 --> 01:02:54.350
Yeah.

01:02:54.510 --> 01:02:57.130
I needed to stop to use the washroom on the way.

01:02:57.130 --> 01:03:03.720
The driver didn't speak a lick of English, uh, but I managed to gesture like, you know, and he, he figured it out.

01:03:04.300 --> 01:03:11.180
And anyway, we pull over at this like essentially truck stop and it had a toilet in it.

01:03:11.680 --> 01:03:16.100
That was nicer than any toilet I've ever seen on this continent.

01:03:17.100 --> 01:03:20.250
It's like, what is this?

01:03:21.470 --> 01:03:22.790
I don't understand.

01:03:24.770 --> 01:03:25.570
It's kind of sweet though.

01:03:26.110 --> 01:03:27.770
Yeah, it was pretty amazing.

01:03:28.870 --> 01:03:30.110
I, I was very impressed.

01:03:30.110 --> 01:03:33.230
Hey, we should probably do a couple of merch messages for those who are not familiar.

01:03:33.230 --> 01:03:36.190
Merch messages are the way to send a message to the show.

01:03:36.190 --> 01:03:37.570
You'll see our producer, Dan.

01:03:39.520 --> 01:03:40.480
Hello, producer, Dan.

01:03:40.520 --> 01:03:40.900
See you later.

01:03:40.900 --> 01:03:44.220
Producer Dan, uh, replying to merch messages down there.

01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:55.480
Uh, also Dan will flag certain merch messages for Luke and for me and Luke to respond to, uh, why don't we do a couple, uh, all you do is go on lttstore.com.

01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:55.980
You can.

01:03:56.140 --> 01:04:00.300
Check out and you'll see a little box that says, Hey, would you like to leave a merch message?

01:04:00.300 --> 01:04:06.140
They're live right now and you guys can go ahead and do that and you should either get your message showing up down here.

01:04:06.140 --> 01:04:09.140
You can get a little reply from Dan or we might even talk about it on the show.

01:04:09.600 --> 01:04:10.520
Want to hit me, Dan?

01:04:10.720 --> 01:04:11.100
Sure.

01:04:11.100 --> 01:04:13.060
I've got one here from Jayden Linus.

01:04:13.220 --> 01:04:16.720
Uh, how are you still using Plex instead of MB or Jellyfin?

01:04:16.980 --> 01:04:23.340
I run all three in Docker containers, accessing the same library with no issues on the same server.

01:04:23.560 --> 01:04:26.140
Plex calls home to about 500 different places.

01:04:26.140 --> 01:04:28.300
Well, MB and Jelly both don't.

01:04:30.120 --> 01:04:31.700
You're not the first to ask me this.

01:04:32.240 --> 01:04:40.040
Uh, the first to ask me this, I think was, uh, Ooh, I, I'm going to hate myself if I get this wrong, but Tim from the Labs team.

01:04:40.700 --> 01:04:49.700
Um, if I recall correctly, I believe it's Tim who is a huge Jellyfin guy, not a Plex guy.

01:04:49.820 --> 01:04:53.660
And basically was like, what, how are you still using Plex?

01:04:54.240 --> 01:04:56.400
The answer is because my license.

01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:57.520
Oh, oh yeah, there's that.

01:04:57.820 --> 01:05:00.900
Uh, but I think Jellyfin is open source and free anyway.

01:05:01.020 --> 01:05:01.520
Oh, okay.

01:05:02.020 --> 01:05:02.240
Yeah.

01:05:02.240 --> 01:05:03.780
I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure Jellyfin is open source.

01:05:03.780 --> 01:05:04.020
Yeah.

01:05:04.020 --> 01:05:05.320
The free software media system.

01:05:05.560 --> 01:05:11.240
Um, but more importantly, my Plex is already set up and already works.

01:05:11.940 --> 01:05:22.710
However, I have actually had enough problems with Plex that we are no, we, we have a conditional, uh, not working with you.

01:05:22.910 --> 01:05:26.990
Um, I don't want to, I don't know if I would call it an order, but.

01:05:26.990 --> 01:05:27.030
Yeah.

01:05:27.110 --> 01:05:33.330
But basically I told, I told the sales team that we're not going to work with Plex until they resolve some of my long time issues with it.

01:05:33.870 --> 01:05:43.400
Um, some of my long time issues include, um, the fact that it doesn't advance to the next episode properly on some of my devices.

01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:44.660
And I'm like, this is ridiculous.

01:05:44.700 --> 01:05:45.820
That's like fundamental.

01:05:45.820 --> 01:05:54.580
Uh, one of my long time issues is that, um, oh yeah, right, right, right.

01:05:55.060 --> 01:05:57.560
Downloading local copies to mobile devices.

01:05:58.020 --> 01:06:02.020
Has, as far as I can tell, been completely broken for like over a year.

01:06:02.520 --> 01:06:06.900
Uh, again, that's something that I consider to be core functionality.

01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:15.120
Uh, they seem to be very focused on developing, you know, Plex TV and some of the other features that are not why I have it.

01:06:15.120 --> 01:06:21.340
I have it so that it will manage my media library and so that I can watch my media library on all my devices.

01:06:21.340 --> 01:06:27.380
Anything else is utterly irrelevant and might as well not exist.

01:06:27.380 --> 01:06:34.760
Um, yeah, download to download to local just does not work for me properly on Android or iOS.

01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:42.980
I, it, this came about because of a recent trip that I went on, uh, with the kids and I wanted to load up devices with movies and TV shows for the plane.

01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:56.440
And between my son's one plus seven, something, whenever they did that McLaren edition, he's got that one between my son's one plus my wife's Samsung, my Samsung foldable.

01:06:56.440 --> 01:06:57.380
So I expect some weird.

01:06:57.380 --> 01:07:08.120
This, but my other more different Samsung and my iPhone 13, I couldn't get any one of those devices to reliably download content.

01:07:08.620 --> 01:07:13.740
I, some of them went through, but you can't just queue it up and expect it to finish.

01:07:13.740 --> 01:07:21.100
And I basically sent out an irate email in the middle of the night as I'm preparing for this, like 5 0 AM flight that was like, we are not working with them again until this is fixed.

01:07:21.830 --> 01:07:25.230
Um, so yeah, I, I might be at that point now.

01:07:28.660 --> 01:07:30.160
Cause that's yeah.

01:07:30.160 --> 01:07:30.300
I guess.

01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:32.360
Again, that's, it's, it's fundamental.

01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:35.420
Like it works great for certain things.

01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:41.120
I have no desire to use anything other than Plex and the NVIDIA shield for the theater room.

01:07:41.780 --> 01:07:43.320
I don't touch anything else.

01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:45.060
There's just no reason to, right.

01:07:45.080 --> 01:07:52.840
Everything is flawless and perfect, but on mobile devices, I have just not had a lot of fun with it.

01:07:53.780 --> 01:07:55.180
So I, yeah, I don't know.

01:07:55.180 --> 01:08:01.040
Maybe, yeah, maybe I'll give jellyfin a shot because one of the other things that I'm going to be doing soon is, uh, switching off.

01:08:01.040 --> 01:08:08.600
Of unraid for, for my Plex or I guess jellyfin and, uh, firing it up on true NAS scale.

01:08:09.180 --> 01:08:16.040
Uh, so I've switched to true NAS for most storage, but I haven't gotten around to setting up a Docker container for Plex.

01:08:16.180 --> 01:08:24.340
So I actually still have all the media on my, my older server, which doesn't matter to me that much because the main reason that I migrated was due to reliability concerns.

01:08:24.340 --> 01:08:26.020
Those are really old drives in there now.

01:08:26.140 --> 01:08:26.360
Yeah.

01:08:26.360 --> 01:08:30.840
Um, and so if I like, like, like what I'm going to lose a couple of Blu-ray rips.

01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:33.080
That's not a big deal to me.

01:08:33.080 --> 01:08:38.460
Whereas like losing pictures and home videos would be, would be catastrophic.

01:08:42.790 --> 01:08:43.210
Okay.

01:08:43.350 --> 01:08:44.970
I've got another one here from Christopher.

01:08:45.230 --> 01:08:55.010
Hey guys, with the popularity of handhelds like Steam Deck, do you think AMD or Intel will explore putting GDDR on the CPU package for the iGPU to use?

01:08:55.270 --> 01:08:59.790
And if so, do you think even two gigabytes would be, uh, improving the performance?

01:09:01.660 --> 01:09:03.320
Oh, okay.

01:09:03.340 --> 01:09:05.200
Well, there's a couple of different angles.

01:09:05.320 --> 01:09:06.760
That we can approach this from.

01:09:06.820 --> 01:09:12.640
So first of all, I doubt that AMD or Intel would do it.

01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:22.700
I think that AMD might do it, but it would be a custom Silicon product kind of like, I mean, really this, what this sounds like to me is an Xbox or a PlayStation processor.

01:09:22.700 --> 01:09:35.160
Like they've done for the last couple of generations in those cases, it's not on package, but it's designed to interact directly with GDDR memory.

01:09:35.320 --> 01:09:44.000
And the operating system is designed to use that same GDDR memory for both system memory and graphics memory.

01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:47.620
Um, I think that solution is pretty good.

01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:48.040
Yeah.

01:09:48.140 --> 01:09:51.260
It, it, it seems to work pretty darn well for game consoles.

01:09:51.660 --> 01:09:51.860
Yeah.

01:09:53.190 --> 01:09:55.430
But there are a couple of concerns.

01:09:55.430 --> 01:10:04.310
So one, your suggestion of putting just a couple of gigs, unfortunately wouldn't really work because it's, oh man.

01:10:04.690 --> 01:10:05.590
Oh, okay.

01:10:05.610 --> 01:10:15.830
Maybe it could, maybe you could load assets into your higher speed GDDR memory until it's full and then go out to main memory.

01:10:16.130 --> 01:10:26.830
But the problem with that is that GDDR memory is faster than non G than regular GDR memory, but it's not that much faster.

01:10:27.150 --> 01:10:31.270
So it's, it's not like using an SSD to cash a hard drive.

01:10:31.270 --> 01:10:34.030
Like it's not an order of magnitude faster.

01:10:34.470 --> 01:10:35.430
So using it as a.

01:10:35.610 --> 01:10:44.430
Cache, I think would have so much overhead that you would actually lose more than you would gain by doing it that way.

01:10:44.430 --> 01:10:52.490
So what you would have to do then is you would have to put the full amount of memory that you intend to have in this product on package like that.

01:10:52.490 --> 01:10:58.610
Now, Apple has gone and put system memory on package, not on die, but on package.

01:10:58.670 --> 01:11:05.510
And so I, I, I don't see any reason why we couldn't see something like that in the future, but I doubt that that's something that.

01:11:05.950 --> 01:11:11.610
AMD or especially Intel would just productize and hope that somebody's gonna buy it.

01:11:12.010 --> 01:11:25.350
Yeah, that's the kind of thing that valve might have to come to AMD and say, Hey, we're gonna pay the, however many millions upon millions of dollars for you guys to do the R and D to build this product.

01:11:25.650 --> 01:11:30.510
And we are then gonna sell millions upon millions of steam decks and it's gonna be great.

01:11:31.300 --> 01:11:35.340
Um, my other concern about sharing that.

01:11:35.340 --> 01:11:35.620
Memory.

01:11:35.980 --> 01:11:38.580
Cause I, I would kind of imagine that that would be a shared memory.

01:11:38.580 --> 01:11:43.560
I mean, if you're gonna have like a super high speed memory that's sitting on package, well, heck you might as well use it for everything.

01:11:43.980 --> 01:11:50.820
But I don't, this is just something that I'm not gonna be able to speak to very well because I simply don't know enough about it.

01:11:51.080 --> 01:12:05.520
But I would have concerns about performance and compatibility with regular PC games that are designed to, uh, have two different memory pools.

01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:05.620
So.

01:12:05.700 --> 01:12:08.640
You've got your GPU, you've got your VRAM, and then you've got your system memory.

01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:13.500
I don't know how they would handle those being one end the same.

01:12:13.940 --> 01:12:21.660
Then again, I don't know if you ever saw this video, but there was that, that super weird Chinese console that actually did take that approach.

01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:22.980
Oh, and ran Windows.

01:12:23.580 --> 01:12:25.680
Oh, and seemed to run games.

01:12:26.380 --> 01:12:35.660
So maybe it's fine, but there's a drawback because GDDR memory, even though it's very high bandwidth is also higher latency.

01:12:35.660 --> 01:12:41.040
Compared to regular GDDR memory, which is not good for CPUs.

01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:46.330
So I don't know.

01:12:46.370 --> 01:12:46.630
Yeah.

01:12:46.630 --> 01:12:46.810
Yeah.

01:12:46.810 --> 01:12:47.470
HBM.

01:12:47.470 --> 01:12:47.930
Sure.

01:12:48.310 --> 01:12:49.810
How much you want to spend on a steam deck?

01:12:49.870 --> 01:12:50.290
Yeah.

01:12:50.290 --> 01:12:50.950
900 bucks.

01:12:50.950 --> 01:12:51.370
Let's go.

01:12:51.370 --> 01:12:51.890
Yeah.

01:12:52.390 --> 01:12:53.610
HBM memory.

01:12:55.540 --> 01:12:58.360
So, uh, yeah, from like, uh, from a tech, yeah.

01:12:58.360 --> 01:13:06.700
From a technology standpoint, there's no reason it couldn't be done, but from a practical standpoint, I don't see it happening anytime soon.

01:13:06.900 --> 01:13:07.720
Uh, NW.

01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:10.900
Gat asks, uh, what about Xbox and PlayStation?

01:13:11.440 --> 01:13:14.500
Yes, but that memory is not on package.

01:13:14.540 --> 01:13:18.280
The question was what about right next to the CPU die?

01:13:18.280 --> 01:13:22.480
Because the closer the memory gets, the lower the latency, which is great.

01:13:23.870 --> 01:13:37.550
But the more integrated this product is, and the less generally useful it is like AMD can't take that product that they developed for steam deck five or whatever it is, and just put it in a box and sell it at new egg.

01:13:37.550 --> 01:13:44.380
So ultimately that cost of developing, it has to be covered by someone and that someone is going to be a customer.

01:13:44.620 --> 01:13:45.500
That's not going to be AMD.

01:13:45.500 --> 01:13:47.800
They're not just going to build that and hope somebody buys it.

01:13:51.080 --> 01:13:53.480
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Let's jump over here.

01:18:16.320 --> 01:18:19.660
Elon Musk is not a free speech absolutionist, perhaps?

01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:21.200
Sure, let's do it.

01:18:21.220 --> 01:18:22.380
Let's get through it quickly.

01:18:22.820 --> 01:18:23.820
Yeah, I like that.

01:18:23.860 --> 01:18:24.500
I like that idea.

01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:28.220
So lots of things have happened on Twitter.

01:18:28.380 --> 01:18:30.160
There's been the Twitter files stuff.

01:18:30.340 --> 01:18:38.540
There's been, I think, every 12 hours they try to drop some type of craziness on Twitter to keep the users rolling.

01:18:39.460 --> 01:18:41.640
So it's been a little bit too much to cover.

01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:44.180
We haven't been covering it as much as when this stuff first came out.

01:18:44.260 --> 01:18:58.420
I think we're all getting a little tired, but what we have talked on the show about before is Elon Jet, the Twitter account that used to track, well, Elon's jet, if you couldn't figure that out.

01:18:58.520 --> 01:19:06.200
And there were other similar ones for other high-profile public figures using publicly available jet information to...

01:19:07.000 --> 01:19:12.140
That's an important one because it's not like this information is now gone because the Twitter account is gone.

01:19:12.140 --> 01:19:12.280
No.

01:19:12.660 --> 01:19:13.400
It's just...

01:19:13.400 --> 01:19:14.140
No.

01:19:14.200 --> 01:19:23.110
It's not being automatically posted on Twitter, but it got that information from a public resource that anyone can access.

01:19:24.330 --> 01:19:28.590
So the information is 100% still there and able to be accessed by anyone.

01:19:28.770 --> 01:19:32.470
It's not like this person had privileged information is what I'm trying to say.

01:19:33.810 --> 01:19:39.870
So that person who, again, we've talked about this on the show, Elon offered them $5K to delete their account way back.

01:19:40.890 --> 01:19:42.650
They asked, how about $50K?

01:19:42.730 --> 01:19:43.890
They wanted a Model 3.

01:19:44.090 --> 01:19:44.970
And I think...

01:19:44.970 --> 01:19:48.050
Like an actual fan was the one doing it, which is sort of interesting.

01:19:48.290 --> 01:19:48.490
Yeah.

01:19:48.590 --> 01:19:51.090
I think it was $50K so that I can buy a Model 3.

01:19:51.130 --> 01:19:51.830
Yeah, I believe so.

01:19:51.930 --> 01:19:52.030
Yeah.

01:19:53.250 --> 01:19:54.210
Elon refused.

01:19:54.650 --> 01:19:58.590
And if I remember correctly, and I don't really want to misquote this.

01:19:58.670 --> 01:19:59.510
Oh, no, here it is.

01:20:00.350 --> 01:20:02.690
He tweeted a while back.

01:20:04.270 --> 01:20:08.050
And he hasn't taken this down and a bunch of people have been roasting him for it.

01:20:08.070 --> 01:20:08.970
So it's still up.

01:20:08.970 --> 01:20:11.270
But he tweeted on November 6th, 2022.

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My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account.

01:20:15.130 --> 01:20:18.750
Following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk.

01:20:19.510 --> 01:20:23.770
He has now banned the account tracking his plane.

01:20:24.670 --> 01:20:28.750
He has also and this is where things get a little bit hazy for me.

01:20:28.990 --> 01:20:37.060
He has also banned a bunch of other accounts that as far as I can tell, talked about.

01:20:37.100 --> 01:20:38.020
I don't know.

01:20:38.080 --> 01:20:40.960
Genuinely, I think it's talked about.

01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:42.880
It might be retweeted.

01:20:43.900 --> 01:20:45.500
But yeah.

01:20:45.540 --> 01:20:46.080
Interacted with me.

01:20:46.080 --> 01:20:46.800
Interacted with that account.

01:20:46.980 --> 01:20:47.780
I'm not sure.

01:20:48.080 --> 01:20:50.800
I'm not sure where the cutoff of interaction is.

01:20:51.060 --> 01:20:51.340
Yeah.

01:20:51.340 --> 01:20:54.720
But some level of interacted with or talked about or something.

01:20:54.860 --> 01:20:57.340
That account have also been banned.

01:20:57.400 --> 01:20:58.580
Just like right off the hop.

01:20:58.780 --> 01:20:59.400
Change the rule.

01:20:59.620 --> 01:20:59.880
Banned.

01:21:02.010 --> 01:21:02.530
Yeah.

01:21:02.850 --> 01:21:08.010
Elon also suspended the accounts of at least six journalists who have covered the Twitter saga,

01:21:08.390 --> 01:21:12.490
implying that they had doxxed his real time location and endangered his family.

01:21:13.330 --> 01:21:15.070
As of now, there is no evidence.

01:21:15.210 --> 01:21:16.210
Any of the journalists did.

01:21:16.210 --> 01:21:27.220
This well, I mean, the accounts are closed, so you wouldn't be able to get whatever Twitter has not provided any they don't.

01:21:27.580 --> 01:21:32.440
As far as I know, their entire public communication side is gone, just like he did with Tesla.

01:21:32.500 --> 01:21:32.740
Yeah.

01:21:32.740 --> 01:21:36.960
So so I don't think there would be like these things are not going to happen, basically.

01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:37.260
Yeah.

01:21:38.820 --> 01:21:45.960
Elon posted a video on Wednesday of someone that he claimed was a crazy stalker who climbed on the roof of the car carrying his child X.

01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:52.990
Which seems like a thing that someone might do.

01:21:53.050 --> 01:21:53.590
Yeah, that would.

01:21:53.590 --> 01:21:53.830
Yeah.

01:21:53.830 --> 01:21:56.710
I mean, I like that scenario would absolutely suck.

01:21:56.770 --> 01:21:57.070
Yeah.

01:21:57.070 --> 01:22:03.670
You probably want wouldn't want someone to try to block the road of a car that has your child in it and climb on the roof of said vehicle.

01:22:03.730 --> 01:22:10.210
Yeah, that would be I suspect if someone was a parent and that happened to their child, they would be pretty freaking.

01:22:10.210 --> 01:22:11.410
Absolute red line.

01:22:11.450 --> 01:22:12.610
Yes, exactly.

01:22:12.650 --> 01:22:12.950
Yep.

01:22:12.950 --> 01:22:17.030
Um, yeah, he he posted that.

01:22:17.030 --> 01:22:18.870
One thing that I thought was somewhat entertaining.

01:22:18.870 --> 01:22:23.190
Was, you know, how he's been doing a lot of the video was the issue with the video is that it's not on topic.

01:22:23.190 --> 01:22:25.050
None of those journalists had anything to do with that.

01:22:25.530 --> 01:22:38.550
So, well, I think the my assumption was that it had something to do with his plane landed and then they were trying to drive away from where it was and they were followed by this person.

01:22:39.780 --> 01:22:42.300
Okay, so the root of the information was the plane.

01:22:42.780 --> 01:22:45.780
Oh, that's my I don't know if that's what's going on there.

01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:47.340
That's my level of understanding.

01:22:47.340 --> 01:22:47.640
Sure.

01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:54.910
Um, yeah, I don't think things are a little crazy over in Twitter land.

01:22:55.050 --> 01:22:58.010
Um, Zach from Jerry rig everything.

01:22:58.030 --> 01:23:03.850
Yeah, here I've got this got banned by by Elon or blocked by Elon.

01:23:03.850 --> 01:23:04.150
Sorry.

01:23:04.150 --> 01:23:05.650
Yeah, not banned off the platform.

01:23:05.650 --> 01:23:06.370
I said that incorrect.

01:23:06.370 --> 01:23:18.350
He got blocked by Elon because in the video of as far as I can tell, one of the security guys getting video coverage of the person who chased them and then also covering the lights or not covering the license plate.

01:23:18.350 --> 01:23:18.610
Yeah.

01:23:18.610 --> 01:23:18.710
Yeah.

01:23:18.710 --> 01:23:18.770
Yeah.

01:23:19.330 --> 01:23:24.530
Video footage of the license plate that Elon tweeted out Jerry Rig.

01:23:24.530 --> 01:23:27.530
Everything responded and said, Yo, contact the police.

01:23:27.550 --> 01:23:28.710
Don't send your mob.

01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:34.200
Didn't you just tweet that dousing is against Twitter rules and Elon blocked him?

01:23:36.150 --> 01:23:36.970
Didn't ban him.

01:23:37.870 --> 01:23:38.390
Yeah.

01:23:38.850 --> 01:23:40.150
So that's neat.

01:23:40.150 --> 01:23:40.710
Just blocked.

01:23:40.730 --> 01:23:52.720
Um, yeah, yeah, the some suspension seemed to be specifically affecting people who point out Elon's hypocrisy.

01:23:53.020 --> 01:23:53.500
Uh, shortly.

01:23:53.500 --> 01:24:01.020
before his band uh band ban mashable reporter matt binder binder sorry uh posted screen caps

01:24:01.020 --> 01:24:09.720
of elon encouraging people to invest in tesla the day he dumped 3.6 billion in stock um

01:24:09.720 --> 01:24:22.620
so that's pretty good um but like the eu and the un published statements condemning twitter's

01:24:22.620 --> 01:24:30.860
decision oh man uh oh yeah oh oh that's not even in here but mastodon's official account has been

01:24:30.860 --> 01:24:37.320
uh banned yeah so you are not allowed and you can't link to mastodon anymore either

01:24:37.320 --> 01:24:43.300
but i think people can still put their like mastodon usernames or whatever yeah in their

01:24:43.300 --> 01:24:47.400
profile yeah but i think you just can't link to the site yeah we'll see when that happens yeah

01:24:47.400 --> 01:24:52.380
uh when that happens that'll be a lot of people nick showed me you know i i was with you

01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:59.200
until nick showed me something really interesting today where i i think your take on sort of the

01:24:59.920 --> 01:25:05.120
uh some of the hysteria around oh it's just twitter's gonna collapse immediately was like

01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:12.360
well like it's it's it's running like it's it's not gonna just immediately fall apart yeah nick

01:25:12.360 --> 01:25:18.120
showed me a recording on his phone today of the twitter app doing some weird stuff dude

01:25:18.120 --> 01:25:22.780
did he show you that okay so he showed me a screen recording

01:25:22.940 --> 01:25:26.860
of him tapping on the same picture in a tweet three times

01:25:27.580 --> 01:25:34.880
and it having three completely different behaviors once it opens the picture once

01:25:34.880 --> 01:25:41.440
it navigates to a totally unrelated website oh a sec and a third time oh that one's weird it opens

01:25:41.440 --> 01:25:48.800
up a completely unrelated tweet and i'm like what because i haven't seen anything that's pretty fun

01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:52.880
i haven't seen anything that bad but honestly i've not been using it as much like i i think i've talked

01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:58.240
to you about this but i've had myself on like a twitter diet or whatever for a while yeah yeah

01:25:58.240 --> 01:26:05.360
like i i set my i set my app time limit to 30 minutes like months ago just because i realized

01:26:05.360 --> 01:26:09.840
i'm doing so much doom scrolling on twitter and it's not really contributing anything it's not

01:26:09.840 --> 01:26:14.000
making me feel better i've been i've been getting myself i haven't done that but i've been getting

01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:21.120
myself to be more busy and i just haven't had the time which is a good solution in my opinion um

01:26:21.120 --> 01:26:25.600
but yeah i mean twitter's done weird stuff for a while that's pretty weird that's weirder than

01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:30.800
anything i've seen for sure um i still don't think it's necessarily going down anytime soon

01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:38.240
also uh there are still claims i don't know how true it is necessarily um there are still claims

01:26:38.240 --> 01:26:48.910
that uh what was it oh right users have peaked again oh yeah apparently because of the banning

01:26:48.910 --> 01:26:51.310
of people i guess people reacting to the

01:26:51.310 --> 01:26:57.340
that are coming to twitter and going what's going on oh i could see that yeah i could see that i

01:26:57.340 --> 01:27:01.420
don't know we've hit another peak i don't know that those users are going to interact in the

01:27:01.420 --> 01:27:06.460
long term so what this means for the for the long-term health of the platform i couldn't

01:27:06.460 --> 01:27:12.540
tell you i mean maybe there's a big brain 4d chess play more and more big names permanently leave

01:27:13.260 --> 01:27:16.060
that's an interesting one to me permanent's a big word though yeah

01:27:17.100 --> 01:27:21.580
permanently gone in a year if the dust settles i don't know yeah yeah but okay

01:27:21.820 --> 01:27:26.300
another thing that i'll bring up about the the like uh twitter stability thing is people were

01:27:26.300 --> 01:27:32.520
saying it was going to be down in like a couple days yeah which is like clearly ridiculous that's

01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:36.680
the main thing that i was reacting to back then is it was at first it was like oh it's gonna be

01:27:36.680 --> 01:27:40.120
down in a couple days and then they were like oh it's gonna be down by the weekend or whatever i

01:27:40.120 --> 01:27:43.160
don't remember what that was and then they were like oh it's not gonna last until the next week

01:27:43.160 --> 01:27:46.920
well there was like the lettuce the lettuce comparison lettuce thing which no one talks

01:27:46.920 --> 01:27:51.560
about anymore probably because the lettuce is gross now um like the the goal post just kept

01:27:52.040 --> 01:27:57.480
over and over and over and over and over again i'm like okay relax um yeah the the new king

01:27:57.480 --> 01:28:02.280
twitter spaces thing okay this is another one where like i i've heard about so much stuff

01:28:02.280 --> 01:28:08.600
happens on twitter and i just hate all of it because i hate twitter i have then this isn't

01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:14.920
new just in case anyone's like not new take i have hated twitter for years way before any of

01:28:14.920 --> 01:28:22.030
this even started so this is don't even try to pull that out um but apparently there was a

01:28:22.110 --> 01:28:27.310
twitter spaces going on and some people started and he joined it no i think it was one of the band

01:28:27.310 --> 01:28:31.390
journalists or something or suspended ones oh right they could still join spaces they could

01:28:31.390 --> 01:28:38.350
still join spaces but couldn't tweet or something like that and he like joined it and elon joined

01:28:38.350 --> 01:28:45.390
the space and like they asked him some questions and then he left and then disabled the spaces

01:28:45.390 --> 01:28:51.390
feature all together just killed it and then brought it back like the next day or something

01:28:52.110 --> 01:28:58.910
are we seeing are we seeing this new level of escalation as a result of him getting booed with

01:28:58.910 --> 01:29:06.190
dave chappelle like is that because like i gotta tell you guys as a public figure if i went out on

01:29:06.190 --> 01:29:13.310
a stage was like introduced and i mean that sucks for anyone and i thought that like i was cool

01:29:14.030 --> 01:29:16.990
and i thought that people were gonna think i was pretty cool

01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:22.000
and i think pretty much regardless of how big your ego is if you go up

01:29:22.940 --> 01:29:28.300
in a in a public speaking environment in front of what is it probably a ton of people well i mean

01:29:28.300 --> 01:29:33.420
it's a it's a it's a dave chappelle live show so i have to imagine hundreds if not thousands i don't

01:29:33.420 --> 01:29:37.180
know how big you go in front of that many people and they boo you hard like that's gonna hurt

01:29:37.740 --> 01:29:45.260
yeah like pretty much no matter who you are and so i guess the knee-jerk reaction is to quiet

01:29:45.260 --> 01:29:49.580
try to try to eliminate criticism wasn't this supposed to be a good quick topic that is that

01:29:49.580 --> 01:29:52.440
is fair um but it has no reason to be a good topic that is fair um but it has no reason to be a good topic

01:29:52.680 --> 01:30:01.400
not been 20 minutes hammy 3d banned turn off Floatplane live chat turn it turn it off now

01:30:03.320 --> 01:30:11.080
aj's like i don't even know if we could do that i just don't you know i just don't get it right

01:30:11.080 --> 01:30:18.030
because like yeah he spent his whole career being criticized like i spend my whole career being

01:30:18.030 --> 01:30:23.150
criticized it's not new it's just that the criticizing is the criticism is ramping up because

01:30:23.150 --> 01:30:27.710
the things you're doing are awful the current volume so why would you double down and do way

01:30:27.710 --> 01:30:31.230
more awful stuff i think that's a pretty normal human response it's not going to

01:30:31.230 --> 01:30:34.670
help i'm not saying it's a good one but i think it's a pretty normal human response going to help

01:30:34.670 --> 01:30:46.030
though yeah i don't disagree we we both go take a drink we both do the like lean away lean away

01:30:46.030 --> 01:30:54.560
thing i didn't realize we both did that um yeah some people are talking about like uh freedom of

01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:57.040
speech and stuff like that what about it what does it stands

01:30:57.120 --> 01:31:02.660
for nothing yeah get over it one of the problems with the plane thing is again that that is that

01:31:02.660 --> 01:31:08.300
is public information plane plane routes planes with transponders on you can figure out where

01:31:08.300 --> 01:31:18.270
they are like that's and you planes need transponders yeah um so that's the thing

01:31:18.270 --> 01:31:24.030
yeah and now apparently promote installing trains there you go apparently it's just on

01:31:24.030 --> 01:31:30.250
reddit now so he strice and affected the shit out of it yeah and like that that's what i was

01:31:30.250 --> 01:31:35.310
saying removing the twitter account didn't remove the information it just stopped the twitter

01:31:35.310 --> 01:31:40.730
account all of that is still public if people really wanted to know they are going to find it

01:31:40.730 --> 01:31:49.470
it's out there like i don't know anyways let's get off of twitter yeah let's do that are we doing

01:31:49.470 --> 01:31:54.580
that are are we pacting that now getting off of twitter yeah i'm not getting off of twitter

01:31:54.580 --> 01:31:54.940
but

01:31:54.960 --> 01:32:00.900
my problem is there are people that i must communicate with that communicate with me

01:32:00.900 --> 01:32:08.760
through twitter dms i'm one of those people who's very chat app agnostic like here's my here's my

01:32:08.760 --> 01:32:16.630
social folder i have pretty similar to mine i i'm missing i think two of those hangouts instagram

01:32:16.630 --> 01:32:25.790
whatsapp facebook messenger uh we chat line teams discord yeah it's just we chat in line i don't

01:32:25.790 --> 01:32:25.990
have those

01:32:26.010 --> 01:32:30.110
i don't even have my sms app in there and i have other ones that you don't have in there actually

01:32:30.110 --> 01:32:34.750
now that i think about it oh what you got what you got hit me up icq telegram at the very least

01:32:34.750 --> 01:32:39.910
oh i have signal signal yeah or wait yeah no yeah both of those actually telegram and signal

01:32:39.910 --> 01:32:43.190
signal's not in there because i don't use it much but yeah yeah i have it

01:32:43.190 --> 01:32:49.070
et cetera et cetera like yeah i'm on all of them as well um and and there are there are

01:32:49.070 --> 01:32:55.660
like just like with facebook i only really use facebook to private message certain people just

01:32:55.660 --> 01:33:01.220
like with twitter yep i need it because there are people that i have to be able to get dms from

01:33:01.220 --> 01:33:10.330
yep for like my job so you're stuck with it so i'm gonna keep using it yep yeah pretty much

01:33:10.330 --> 01:33:16.270
there it is we chat on a western phone crazy to trust that did i say i trust it

01:33:16.270 --> 01:33:23.830
i have it some people that i might need to talk to might not have western chat apps right

01:33:23.830 --> 01:33:28.230
yeah hey there you go i mean that's the thing like i just i don't that's this is one of the

01:33:28.230 --> 01:33:32.170
reasons that i don't understand the whole i message thing it's like oh yeah i love it i

01:33:32.170 --> 01:33:37.780
messaged what it's like it's like having a phone that only connects to certain lines

01:33:37.780 --> 01:33:45.830
why would you want it get like so if you need to why don't you just get a phone that connects to

01:33:45.830 --> 01:33:53.790
every line like you like imagine imagine trying to sell an email service where the main feature

01:33:53.790 --> 01:33:54.290
is that you can

01:33:54.310 --> 01:34:00.810
only email people who are on the same domain how the is that a feature that's a bug

01:34:02.250 --> 01:34:06.170
or like if you email someone who's on a different service it's a degraded experience

01:34:07.370 --> 01:34:10.810
it's like you get to shame them for being poor they can't afford this email

01:34:11.770 --> 01:34:15.850
i just i think there's some i.t security stuff where you can only email people in the same

01:34:15.850 --> 01:34:20.010
domain but that's like obviously we're talking about something yeah that's a completely different

01:34:20.010 --> 01:34:25.050
totally different thing yeah yeah i don't know i i it is what it is so i'm not going

01:34:25.050 --> 01:34:25.150
to be able to do that i'm not going to be able to do that i'm not going to be able to do that

01:34:25.150 --> 01:34:31.980
i'm going to be completely getting off of twitter but i effectively don't create new tweets anymore

01:34:31.980 --> 01:34:43.590
i like reply to stuff sometimes i interact with things sometimes but like i think my most recent

01:34:43.590 --> 01:34:50.990
tweet was the ovh video because i wanted to reblast it because i like that video i was trying

01:34:50.990 --> 01:34:55.830
to help promote it the one before that i think i'm like roasting you on your birthday and then

01:34:55.830 --> 01:34:58.970
i don't even remember what's before that but it's probably like a year ago i don't know i don't know

01:34:58.990 --> 01:35:07.230
or something like i i basically don't use the platform anymore because i do not like it oh man

01:35:07.230 --> 01:35:13.430
this isn't in the dock unfortunately but did you see that it looks like the eu is going to force

01:35:13.430 --> 01:35:21.250
apple to allow side loading yeah wait i thought this was in the dock is it uh maybe i'm just i read

01:35:21.250 --> 01:35:28.410
notes on it did you yeah did i just like completely miss it i don't know i don't see it for some reason

01:35:29.500 --> 01:35:30.280
i think it was something

01:35:30.280 --> 01:35:37.240
we were going to talk about anyway that could be amazing that sounds great yeah go eu there's i mean

01:35:37.240 --> 01:35:44.600
not everything but but definitely this definitely this i hope we're not missing it because i saw it

01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:51.270
as a topic i'm like certain um because they were talking about how there's some people that are

01:35:51.270 --> 01:35:59.110
countering it uh because they're saying if you allow side loading and that becomes common uh

01:35:59.830 --> 01:36:00.710
things like facebook

01:36:00.790 --> 01:36:05.430
and these other major applications might try to leave the app store so they can get around

01:36:05.430 --> 01:36:10.150
the payment cut and if that happens then we're going to lose the security layer and people are

01:36:10.150 --> 01:36:17.220
upset about that okay then don't install any of those apps that are not in the app store

01:36:17.220 --> 01:36:23.300
don't ever use a computer it's called user choice any kind of computer yeah and it's it's really

01:36:23.300 --> 01:36:29.700
interesting to me when i hear the argument that the user choice is to not use an iphone uh okay

01:36:30.340 --> 01:36:31.460
but okay

01:36:33.540 --> 01:36:42.580
but no no user user choice and and fair and open competition is uh doesn't just mean well then okay

01:36:42.580 --> 01:36:48.020
you just can't then you're just completely locked out of one of the only two vendors in the duopoly

01:36:48.020 --> 01:36:55.160
that is smartphones um and also by the way both of them are behaving in exactly the same

01:36:55.800 --> 01:37:01.320
monopolistic way uh this is this is bad and we actually do need less legislation to fix this

01:37:03.380 --> 01:37:03.540
yeah

01:37:03.700 --> 01:37:11.220
so there you go yeah i think it's cool as well though let's go yeah yeah i'm pretty excited

01:37:11.220 --> 01:37:16.420
yeah we got a couple of other pretty interesting topics uh epic games is shutting down servers for

01:37:16.420 --> 01:37:22.340
a bunch of old games again okay like a lot so i i should have followed up on this and i didn't

01:37:22.340 --> 01:37:27.860
that is my bad this topic was shared with me uh where is it let me just search for epic

01:37:29.140 --> 01:37:33.780
i think there's some extra juice on this oh um where i think they have

01:37:33.780 --> 01:37:40.440
have been removing games from stores as well interesting uh so in while he's looking that

01:37:40.440 --> 01:37:44.480
up the affected games include a thousand tiny claws dance central one two and three the vr

01:37:44.480 --> 01:37:50.640
online multiplayer will remain up green day rock band monsters probably stole my princess rock band

01:37:50.640 --> 01:37:55.720
one two and three the beatles rock band supersonic acrobatic rocket powered battle cars unreal gold

01:37:55.720 --> 01:37:59.760
unreal to the awakening unreal tournament 2003 unreal tournament 2004 unreal tournament three

01:37:59.760 --> 01:38:06.040
though that one will be reactivated and re-released for free as unreal tournament 3x

01:38:06.040 --> 01:38:12.240
it is already renamed it is barred from sale on steam and that'll be on epic online services in

01:38:12.240 --> 01:38:17.100
the future with cross play between steam epic game store and good old games unreal tournament

01:38:17.100 --> 01:38:23.860
game of the year edition um the master server has been up in some form or another since 1999 so

01:38:23.860 --> 01:38:29.480
goodbye it is possible to specify a master server manually though so players could use

01:38:29.480 --> 01:38:30.100
for free the master server has been up in some form or another since 1999 so

01:38:30.100 --> 01:38:37.300
example old unreal via unreal.ini tweaks battle breakers unreal tournament alpha rock band blitz

01:38:37.300 --> 01:38:43.210
rock band companion app and sing space some games like unreal tournament game of the year have

01:38:43.210 --> 01:38:47.110
support for direct ip connections and should still be playable without the master server browser

01:38:47.110 --> 01:38:54.190
and most also feature local multiplayer options but once again luke and i are bringing up how

01:38:54.190 --> 01:38:59.810
horrible this is and what it will mean for the next round of server

01:38:59.810 --> 01:39:08.890
end of life's when you just are utterly unable to use these software titles that you paid for excuse me

01:39:08.890 --> 01:39:22.360
uh rented it's very frustrating uh did you find what you were looking to talk about no um i think

01:39:22.360 --> 01:39:28.320
it all right here we go one second the reason close okay the reason for it is that uh epic is

01:39:28.320 --> 01:39:32.960
pushing to support its epic online services system which they say will provide a unified

01:39:32.980 --> 01:39:43.300
friend system voice chat parental controls and parental verification features okay um i guess

01:39:43.300 --> 01:39:54.640
yeah like some is this in here yeah like unreal gold real gold i don't know a ton about this game

01:39:54.640 --> 01:40:03.260
and yeah like if you look up unreal gold on steam right now it says notice unreal gold is no longer

01:40:03.260 --> 01:40:07.650
available on the steam store yep so if you didn't get it that's it

01:40:08.220 --> 01:40:11.660
and there didn't appear to be a ton of warning for this

01:40:12.460 --> 01:40:18.320
recent reviews are apparently like this is a single player game or it's listed as a single

01:40:18.320 --> 01:40:23.440
player game on on steam so it's it's not that they just like because this is talking about turning

01:40:23.440 --> 01:40:28.960
off servers right yeah epic says some titles will still work offline while there's not be playable

01:40:28.960 --> 01:40:37.660
at all so unreal gold is not sold anymore i guess i mean was anyone really buying it i don't know

01:40:38.700 --> 01:40:48.160
1998 it's not really the point though i know it just sucks yeah just sucks yeah but my game in

01:40:48.160 --> 01:40:52.560
history unreal gold is just like the first one on the list so that's what i dove into but i don't

01:40:52.560 --> 01:40:57.420
i don't know if like some of these other ones are also off the store it also sounds like like

01:40:57.420 --> 01:41:05.300
there's a note lower down somewhere to do where like the game is being re-released i don't remember

01:41:05.300 --> 01:41:09.130
which one that's unreal uh three unreal tournament three

01:41:09.250 --> 01:41:14.610
yeah being re-released as unreal 3x yeah i already talked about that barred from the steam sale and

01:41:14.610 --> 01:41:19.410
it's on epic game services so i feel like part of this is trying to get it to move to their own stuff

01:41:19.410 --> 01:41:27.730
well yeah absolutely it is epic seems to be the only other game store owner that is still holding

01:41:27.730 --> 01:41:34.370
holding out it's like no no we will we're gonna compete with steam everyone else has come crawling

01:41:34.370 --> 01:41:38.130
back oh except blizzard uh activision blizzard is still on the blizzard won't

01:41:39.250 --> 01:41:46.210
i am 100 certain blizzard won't um because they've been doing it a lot longer but ea ubi

01:41:46.210 --> 01:41:52.620
they're back yeah they're back baby because blizzard had their own launcher back when

01:41:53.180 --> 01:41:58.530
tons of things had their own launcher and they actually had like a launcher for it and everyone

01:41:58.530 --> 01:42:04.690
got used to using it before steam just like ran everything because they blizzard was doing an mmo

01:42:04.690 --> 01:42:09.410
and back in the day steam didn't support mmos through steam right effectively um

01:42:09.890 --> 01:42:15.730
so like yeah people just got used to it i don't think blizzard is ever gonna bail uh blizzard is

01:42:15.730 --> 01:42:23.010
getting people pretty used to launching no you can just buy cod through so activision part of blizzard

01:42:23.010 --> 01:42:28.050
is still using steam i guess but but don't expect by diablo 4. yeah yeah on steam yeah i think

01:42:28.050 --> 01:42:34.690
that's where we're at yep yeah ubi caved recently yep matter of time Anthony's take um you know how

01:42:34.690 --> 01:42:38.930
long should game companies really be expected to keep older games afloat though and to epic's credit

01:42:39.890 --> 01:42:42.130
A lot of their older games using Unreal Engine

01:42:42.130 --> 01:42:44.150
are very open and easily modded.

01:42:44.650 --> 01:42:46.130
Not all of these games are though.

01:42:46.490 --> 01:42:48.710
Regardless of how long they were supported for though,

01:42:49.010 --> 01:42:50.410
IMO, once they sunset games,

01:42:50.470 --> 01:42:52.130
they should release the server software and tools

01:42:52.130 --> 01:42:53.310
for the community to restore them.

01:42:53.470 --> 01:42:55.970
Yeah, so my point isn't actually at all

01:42:55.970 --> 01:42:57.530
how long companies should be expected

01:42:57.530 --> 01:42:58.610
to keep games afloat.

01:42:58.950 --> 01:43:00.490
I can totally understand if you're like,

01:43:00.570 --> 01:43:03.870
man, we have zero users on almost every day,

01:43:03.950 --> 01:43:06.310
not wanting to keep those servers going.

01:43:06.310 --> 01:43:10.290
But it is entirely based around those companies

01:43:10.290 --> 01:43:12.770
releasing the server softwares and tools

01:43:12.770 --> 01:43:14.090
needed for the community to restore them,

01:43:14.210 --> 01:43:15.310
like Anthony said.

01:43:15.810 --> 01:43:18.810
That is where literally my entire argument lies

01:43:18.810 --> 01:43:20.550
because the only thing I'm worried about

01:43:20.550 --> 01:43:21.170
at a certain point,

01:43:21.210 --> 01:43:22.030
because you brought up like,

01:43:22.090 --> 01:43:23.050
how many people are still playing this?

01:43:23.270 --> 01:43:25.290
Yeah, that's very valid for a lot of games.

01:43:25.310 --> 01:43:26.150
Probably no one.

01:43:26.330 --> 01:43:26.530
Yeah.

01:43:26.710 --> 01:43:28.010
Probably literally no one.

01:43:28.150 --> 01:43:32.680
But people should be able to down the line

01:43:32.680 --> 01:43:35.820
if you want to for like literally historical reasons.

01:43:35.820 --> 01:43:36.200
Yep.

01:43:36.660 --> 01:43:38.820
Like we shouldn't lose the entire history

01:43:38.820 --> 01:43:39.780
of video game development.

01:43:39.940 --> 01:43:40.960
That would be really depressing.

01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:44.140
Like it's actually a huge deal.

01:43:46.210 --> 01:43:46.730
Yeah.

01:43:47.510 --> 01:43:51.910
Just like HardwareBot removed our Y Cruncher world record.

01:43:52.190 --> 01:43:53.150
Yeah, what happened there?

01:43:54.380 --> 01:43:56.600
Well, we released a video recently

01:43:56.600 --> 01:43:59.480
setting a world record for calculating

01:43:59.480 --> 01:44:03.020
2.5 billion digits of pi in Y Cruncher.

01:44:03.400 --> 01:44:06.700
You guys would have seen us submit the results live,

01:44:06.700 --> 01:44:09.900
but HardwareBot actually removed our score

01:44:09.900 --> 01:44:10.880
from the leaderboards.

01:44:11.400 --> 01:44:12.930
Why?

01:44:13.210 --> 01:44:15.030
Is it because they're bad people?

01:44:16.080 --> 01:44:19.300
No, it's because we didn't submit the screenshot right

01:44:19.300 --> 01:44:23.800
and we didn't have CPU-Z or GPU-Z open in the screenshot.

01:44:24.280 --> 01:44:27.680
So we could actually probably grab a still from the video

01:44:27.680 --> 01:44:28.620
and resubmit it.

01:44:28.720 --> 01:44:33.180
But I told Adam that that's probably not worth the time

01:44:33.180 --> 01:44:35.500
to set up the server again and run it again

01:44:35.500 --> 01:44:36.740
and like submit it again.

01:44:36.740 --> 01:44:37.980
So we're not going to do that.

01:44:38.240 --> 01:44:40.700
It was definitely fun setting some world records

01:44:40.700 --> 01:44:43.000
and I'll know, I'll know we had it.

01:44:44.300 --> 01:44:47.400
But apparently it's unofficial now.

01:44:47.580 --> 01:44:48.120
It's unofficial.

01:44:48.640 --> 01:44:48.760
Yeah.

01:44:49.700 --> 01:44:50.420
What's this?

01:44:50.540 --> 01:44:53.420
Linus and Luke react to Linus dropping things 2022 edition?

01:44:53.580 --> 01:44:57.520
So this is kind of an amazing,

01:44:58.220 --> 01:45:00.120
this is a really well edited video.

01:45:00.660 --> 01:45:00.940
Oh.

01:45:02.180 --> 01:45:04.580
It's got, how many views does this have now?

01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:05.920
It's kind of ridiculous.

01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:08.180
Let me just,

01:45:08.940 --> 01:45:13.940
yeah, 450,000 views.

01:45:13.940 --> 01:45:15.180
Oh, how am I on an account

01:45:15.180 --> 01:45:16.680
that doesn't have premium right now?

01:45:16.680 --> 01:45:17.520
Me too.

01:45:17.520 --> 01:45:19.350
We're crying out loud.

01:45:19.350 --> 01:45:20.850
Oh, oh geez.

01:45:20.850 --> 01:45:21.690
Yeah.

01:45:21.690 --> 01:45:22.530
Here comes another one.

01:45:24.050 --> 01:45:26.410
It's nine and a half minutes long.

01:45:26.410 --> 01:45:27.950
No, no, no, no, no, I skipped it.

01:45:30.740 --> 01:45:31.580
Oh, oh yeah.

01:45:31.580 --> 01:45:32.880
Should I, should we have sound for this?

01:45:32.880 --> 01:45:35.840
Do you want to have sound?

01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:36.820
Mine, mine is muted.

01:45:36.820 --> 01:45:38.320
I don't know which one of us you're watching.

01:45:38.320 --> 01:45:39.160
Oh, him.

01:45:39.160 --> 01:45:39.980
Yeah.

01:45:39.980 --> 01:45:40.820
Yeah.

01:45:40.820 --> 01:45:41.660
Ports on this thing.

01:45:41.660 --> 01:45:42.440
We're going with the 12900.

01:45:42.460 --> 01:45:44.870
Let me make sure you guys can hear it.

01:45:44.870 --> 01:45:47.230
Don't worry, I caught it with the foot.

01:45:47.230 --> 01:45:51.390
Because the KS, the KS wasn't out yet.

01:45:51.390 --> 01:45:52.230
Oh, I can hear it.

01:45:52.230 --> 01:45:53.070
Look at that.

01:45:53.070 --> 01:45:53.910
It's awesome.

01:45:53.910 --> 01:45:54.750
I know, right?

01:45:54.750 --> 01:45:56.100
Can you hear it Luke?

01:45:56.100 --> 01:45:56.940
Yes.

01:45:56.940 --> 01:45:58.260
Do you know how to pull the steam back?

01:45:58.260 --> 01:45:59.380
I thought there was something wrong

01:45:59.380 --> 01:46:01.200
and I realized, cause I need to watch that one.

01:46:01.200 --> 01:46:02.720
Uh oh, I think I've got an echo from you.

01:46:02.720 --> 01:46:03.880
We never, we never work on that.

01:46:03.880 --> 01:46:04.720
They don't hear you.

01:46:04.720 --> 01:46:05.660
Oh, cool.

01:46:05.660 --> 01:46:07.360
Or like I can text him, whoa.

01:46:08.320 --> 01:46:09.160
That was a good one.

01:46:09.160 --> 01:46:10.900
Call and tell me a little story.

01:46:10.900 --> 01:46:15.060
Say a little story.

01:46:15.060 --> 01:46:17.020
All right, all right, that's enough of that story.

01:46:17.020 --> 01:46:19.260
This was actually last week, but we missed it.

01:46:19.260 --> 01:46:20.700
And that was not intentional.

01:46:23.680 --> 01:46:24.840
Not a word.

01:46:24.840 --> 01:46:26.240
That wasn't intentional either.

01:46:26.240 --> 01:46:29.400
Not a word.

01:46:29.400 --> 01:46:31.740
Anyway, it's too long for us to watch the whole thing

01:46:31.740 --> 01:46:35.520
on WAN Show, but I just, I definitely felt

01:46:35.520 --> 01:46:38.380
the comedic timing of the edit was better

01:46:38.380 --> 01:46:40.880
than most of things like this that I've seen.

01:46:40.880 --> 01:46:45.760
I thought that Mr. Chicken Banner Lord

01:46:45.760 --> 01:46:47.660
did a pretty good job.

01:46:47.660 --> 01:46:48.500
He did a pretty good job.

01:46:48.500 --> 01:46:52.520
So I won't have to DMCA take down you this time.

01:46:52.520 --> 01:46:53.720
This time.

01:46:53.720 --> 01:46:55.920
Or ban you.

01:46:55.920 --> 01:46:56.760
Yeah.

01:46:56.760 --> 01:46:57.600
Yeah.

01:46:57.600 --> 01:46:58.760
Yeah.

01:46:58.760 --> 01:46:59.600
Might block you though.

01:46:59.600 --> 01:47:01.640
Have I ever really like addressed this publicly?

01:47:01.640 --> 01:47:04.960
Like our stance on remixing our clips into other videos?

01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:07.080
We have sort of, I think it's always been on WAN Show

01:47:07.080 --> 01:47:08.900
though, but we have sort of.

01:47:08.900 --> 01:47:10.700
Yeah, okay, anyway, we're chill.

01:47:10.700 --> 01:47:11.540
Cause we, if you-

01:47:11.540 --> 01:47:13.360
Yeah.

01:47:13.360 --> 01:47:14.480
Context dependent.

01:47:14.480 --> 01:47:15.320
Yeah.

01:47:15.320 --> 01:47:18.840
If you are, if you're trying to pass off our footage,

01:47:18.840 --> 01:47:20.880
as your own, like say, for example,

01:47:20.880 --> 01:47:23.360
if you were to upload a review of a graphics card

01:47:23.360 --> 01:47:28.620
and just shamelessly put our B roll into your video,

01:47:28.780 --> 01:47:30.480
I get, I get pretty annoyed by that.

01:47:30.480 --> 01:47:32.060
Yeah, we're not so down with that.

01:47:32.060 --> 01:47:35.160
If you ask in advance, which is very easy to do

01:47:35.160 --> 01:47:36.960
because we're not hard to get in touch with,

01:47:36.960 --> 01:47:42.370
I have, I think every time said, yep, no problem.

01:47:42.370 --> 01:47:43.850
Just make sure you credit us.

01:47:43.850 --> 01:47:44.690
Contribution.

01:47:44.690 --> 01:47:47.430
Yeah, we just, we want to see like proper credit

01:47:47.430 --> 01:47:49.930
and a link in the video description.

01:47:49.930 --> 01:47:54.560
But other than that, I don't really think we have any,

01:47:54.560 --> 01:47:56.460
any rules about it.

01:47:56.460 --> 01:47:57.300
Yeah.

01:47:57.300 --> 01:47:58.140
Not particularly.

01:47:58.140 --> 01:48:00.500
So yeah, we've always been, I think,

01:48:00.500 --> 01:48:02.920
I think pretty, pretty, pretty open

01:48:02.920 --> 01:48:04.380
as far as all that stuff goes.

01:48:06.320 --> 01:48:09.040
Anyway, I thought this was, I thought it was pretty funny.

01:48:09.040 --> 01:48:10.060
I thought they did a good job.

01:48:10.060 --> 01:48:10.900
That was it.

01:48:10.900 --> 01:48:13.750
That was all.

01:48:13.750 --> 01:48:16.900
And then I've got another little side topic here.

01:48:16.900 --> 01:48:20.980
Can we ban apps that copy metadata

01:48:20.980 --> 01:48:22.880
when you try to copy text?

01:48:22.880 --> 01:48:23.720
Yeah.

01:48:24.120 --> 01:48:26.880
Also, okay, I want to attach something on this,

01:48:26.880 --> 01:48:32.620
which is more of a people pattern thing.

01:48:32.620 --> 01:48:34.540
So that would be great.

01:48:34.540 --> 01:48:38.680
But also I think when you send someone a message

01:48:38.680 --> 01:48:42.260
that's like an address or a phone number

01:48:42.260 --> 01:48:47.260
or basically something that you know is going to be copied,

01:48:47.340 --> 01:48:50.680
man, would I love it if it was its own message?

01:48:50.680 --> 01:48:54.160
Well, you know, that's actually what started this,

01:48:54.160 --> 01:48:59.160
was someone sent me their Wi-Fi SSID and password

01:48:59.600 --> 01:49:01.280
in one message on Teams.

01:49:01.280 --> 01:49:02.120
Yeah.

01:49:02.120 --> 01:49:03.500
And I tried to copy the password,

01:49:03.500 --> 01:49:09.170
and I was like, I hate this!

01:49:09.170 --> 01:49:10.970
Because for whatever reason,

01:49:10.970 --> 01:49:14.430
Teams and Microsoft's infinite wisdom

01:49:14.430 --> 01:49:18.790
does not allow you to select part of a message and copy it.

01:49:18.790 --> 01:49:21.350
And it is absolutely infuriating.

01:49:21.350 --> 01:49:26.150
This trend towards not allowing you to interact

01:49:26.150 --> 01:49:31.630
with text on the screen the way that you would intend to

01:49:32.270 --> 01:49:37.270
started, in my mind, with right-clicking and copying

01:49:37.810 --> 01:49:40.930
a hyperlink in a Google search result

01:49:40.930 --> 01:49:43.530
and it pasting a whole bunch of tracking crap

01:49:44.450 --> 01:49:49.450
progressed to texting apps that will copy like a timestamp

01:49:49.930 --> 01:49:52.370
and username and whatever else when you paste their stuff,

01:49:52.370 --> 01:49:56.070
and also offer no way to just manually select the part

01:49:56.070 --> 01:49:56.590
of the text you want.

01:49:56.590 --> 01:50:03.770
so you so you just you can't paste things where they just need to go and it just adds a bunch of

01:50:03.770 --> 01:50:09.720
clicks for no reason and it's really annoying because a lot of times when you have to

01:50:09.720 --> 01:50:14.920
input into a field that field is often very size restricted yep so now you have to trim the message

01:50:14.920 --> 01:50:21.160
in a very size restricted field in some other which is so annoying and then paste it over i've

01:50:21.160 --> 01:50:27.680
i've sent people back their own messages but like basically cropped like they'll they'll be like

01:50:27.680 --> 01:50:35.280
here's oh no problem but still in the same message here's this information here's this information

01:50:35.280 --> 01:50:41.200
here's a bunch more text and i'll just send them back just the like password completely new message

01:50:41.200 --> 01:50:46.800
that account name completely new message that and then you copy your own sent message nice

01:50:47.920 --> 01:50:51.040
nice it's just it's so it's

01:50:51.200 --> 01:50:57.760
so frustrating uh adam says pixel phones can copy text from app switcher that is an utterly

01:50:57.760 --> 01:51:06.000
unnecessary solution to a problem that should have never existed yeah that's the that's the issue and

01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:15.400
to be to be clear this is not a world-ending problem this is not a huge deal it takes at

01:51:15.400 --> 01:51:19.880
most another 10 or 20 seconds to get around this every time i encounter it

01:51:20.650 --> 01:51:21.770
for me it's not about

01:51:21.770 --> 01:51:28.570
how much time it wasted it's about how utterly unnecessary it was just annoying it should have

01:51:28.570 --> 01:51:38.430
never happened there was no reason for it whatsoever yep just makes me mad pretty much

01:51:39.310 --> 01:51:46.600
oh man ah a really good one is you know how uh when someone sends you an address or a phone

01:51:46.600 --> 01:51:52.920
number in a lot of text apps you can just like long press and like open in maps i don't know yeah

01:51:52.920 --> 01:51:53.720
yeah so

01:51:54.040 --> 01:52:00.260
if that message contains other extraneous crap it doesn't work and okay like i don't know at

01:52:00.260 --> 01:52:05.920
least on Android in just kind of any any text field if you select something that's obviously

01:52:05.920 --> 01:52:11.820
a phone number it'll prompt you for the phone as well but no you can't do that in a chat app

01:52:11.820 --> 01:52:15.600
that also has that other stuff because there's no way to select it

01:52:15.600 --> 01:52:27.720
like we have these modern conveniences but then we get in our own way no no yep yep i've and like

01:52:27.720 --> 01:52:32.840
the thing is i know i've been in all of these scenarios and i feel like everyone else must have

01:52:32.840 --> 01:52:37.460
as well yeah because it's just like it's a part of life right now and it's just unnecessary and

01:52:37.460 --> 01:52:45.350
annoying yep i'm pretty happy about dell apparently continuing to push forward their

01:52:45.350 --> 01:52:46.990
modular laptop demo

01:52:47.010 --> 01:52:55.090
denis yeah this is concept luna so this is like a new concept luna modular laptop that can

01:52:55.090 --> 01:53:02.090
apparently be disassembled in 30 seconds whoa so we're gonna watch this here 10 times fewer screws

01:53:02.090 --> 01:53:08.070
what am i looking at here this is another ad you're looking at ads you know what i figured

01:53:08.070 --> 01:53:13.410
it out i figured out why i can't see it because i'm only looking at this yeah i'm only looking

01:53:13.410 --> 01:53:17.110
at the skip button did you notice how he said what am i looking at here because he didn't even

01:53:17.110 --> 01:53:17.410
recognize

01:53:17.410 --> 01:53:23.830
there was an ad he does this and it's crazy like it's not crazy as in he's crazy it's just i i can't

01:53:23.830 --> 01:53:28.370
i like wish i could so i think it's like frustrating that i can't just block them out like

01:53:28.370 --> 01:53:38.940
that here we go check this out whoa 30 seconds let's go man when i used to work with laptops

01:53:38.940 --> 01:53:45.020
all the time this would have been so sweet i know right and what's really cool is they're they're

01:53:45.020 --> 01:53:48.560
pitching like a sustainability sustainability element

01:53:48.720 --> 01:53:56.560
to this where when it comes to like refurbishing uh or for large organizations um you know

01:53:56.560 --> 01:54:04.820
reassembling partially working laptops into into full working laptops just fewer of them um

01:54:04.820 --> 01:54:11.760
apparently those qr codes are so that it's like super easy to to test it and identify it so that

01:54:11.760 --> 01:54:16.700
you can so you can much more easily do that it's so cool that's awesome this is really awesome yeah

01:54:16.700 --> 01:54:18.560
um so lots of rails and things like that so that's really cool and i think it's really cool and i think

01:54:18.560 --> 01:54:18.700
that's really cool and i think it's really cool and i think it's really cool and i think it's really

01:54:18.720 --> 01:54:18.800
cool and i think it's really cool and i think it's really cool and i think it's really cool

01:54:18.800 --> 01:54:26.880
pogo pins card edge connectors uh no cables no screws nothing no screws if you can eject a sim

01:54:26.880 --> 01:54:33.760
tray you can disassemble this laptop what and its thickness is still close to a current year 13 inch

01:54:33.760 --> 01:54:40.750
dell latitude with internal volume to spare for higher end components is that wild that is super

01:54:40.750 --> 01:54:47.870
cool now this is not a real product not yet but dell is hinting that we could see elements of

01:54:47.870 --> 01:54:49.550
this of of this project

01:54:49.550 --> 01:54:53.470
this of of this project make their way into real products down the line i suspect you will have

01:54:53.470 --> 01:55:00.110
some screws in a real product maybe maybe you're right but i think some screws are okay some screws

01:55:00.110 --> 01:55:05.550
are okay yeah especially if they're all the same yeah and like i don't necessarily think that

01:55:05.550 --> 01:55:11.550
plastic clips are a better solution than it's neither yeah you know uh give me a good screw and

01:55:11.550 --> 01:55:21.230
uh i'll thank you yeah it's amazing i yeah this is another just like super dumb comment that i read

01:55:21.230 --> 01:55:22.190
yeah it's amazing i yeah this is another just like super dumb comment that i read this week it's just

01:55:22.190 --> 01:55:26.990
like it's just i hate the way that they've gotten so immature and there's so many sex jokes now

01:55:27.870 --> 01:55:32.910
it was always like that we have always been like blink-182 level toilet humor oh yeah

01:55:35.390 --> 01:55:42.830
genuinely always been a thing i have learned nothing i have grown up not at all

01:55:42.830 --> 01:55:47.870
yeah yeah yes ceo but it's just a title still me

01:55:47.870 --> 01:55:55.350
uh the discussion question here is uh thanks Anthony how does Linus feel about his investment

01:55:55.350 --> 01:56:03.690
in framework now good yeah i don't i don't think that was the point yeah 100 i mean even off air

01:56:03.690 --> 01:56:07.830
talking to luke about the investment in framework talking internally to the people here

01:56:07.830 --> 01:56:15.610
i was very clear that my investment in framework was like if it made money i'd be surprised yeah

01:56:15.610 --> 01:56:18.720
i love their mission i love their mission i love their mission i love their mission

01:56:18.720 --> 01:56:23.500
love their mission and to be clear dell is still not trying to compete with the framework mission

01:56:23.500 --> 01:56:31.190
they have mentioned nothing about upgrading your chassis like this right it's still super cool

01:56:31.190 --> 01:56:37.510
regardless my framework laptop went from six cores to 12 core 4 to 12 whatever i like dramatically

01:56:37.510 --> 01:56:41.350
upgraded the hardware in that machine without replacing my chassis your screen or speakers or

01:56:41.350 --> 01:56:47.870
touch pad or anything like that it's super cool still um but really what i was investing in was

01:56:47.870 --> 01:56:49.590
the mission to make laptops that are not going to be the same as the ones that are going to be the

01:56:49.590 --> 01:56:56.890
same as laptops less disposable yeah and if if this if if that was what it took to shine a big

01:56:56.890 --> 01:57:03.830
enough light on what framework was doing that dell comes and does it better fine so be it yeah i will

01:57:03.830 --> 01:57:10.970
i will i will kiss that money goodbye um i do i do still think that framework has a solid shot

01:57:10.970 --> 01:57:15.730
i don't know a lot that isn't public information but i do know a little bit

01:57:15.730 --> 01:57:19.500
and i don't want my money back i uh

01:57:19.720 --> 01:57:24.120
i'm pretty happy i'm pretty happy with what they're doing i'm happy with the direction that

01:57:24.120 --> 01:57:31.190
they're going but if i lose it all then i guess it's gone and i feel the same way about the

01:57:31.190 --> 01:57:37.530
financial game yeah i the the point was i want these things to exist and it's exactly the same

01:57:37.530 --> 01:57:46.890
with that nas software that i discussed last week i need an easy to use like prosumer nas that

01:57:46.890 --> 01:57:50.890
doesn't suck like it just it has to exist

01:57:51.190 --> 01:57:59.430
i am so tired of cloud being the only user-friendly option other than stupid like one touch backup hard

01:57:59.430 --> 01:58:04.790
drives yeah because you want are not reliable you want to promote people to do their own like

01:58:04.790 --> 01:58:12.470
personal cloud one but then it's it's hard it's hard yeah and i get it i get it you know full-time

01:58:12.470 --> 01:58:17.670
sysadmin part-time home lab user who does this kind of thing in their sleep i understand that

01:58:17.670 --> 01:58:20.390
to you it's not hard to my

01:58:21.190 --> 01:58:28.020
brother-in-law it might as well be brain surgery even for decently technical people yes

01:58:28.020 --> 01:58:32.660
like it's it's still a lot it's non-trivial and it's something that you need to like re-educate

01:58:32.660 --> 01:58:37.860
on constantly which also probably shouldn't really need to be that necessary what's wrong

01:58:37.860 --> 01:58:43.060
with stenology is a great question how about the completely closed ecosystem how about the

01:58:43.620 --> 01:58:50.500
ridiculous pricing yeah you should be able to have a functioning nas for literally zero dollars like

01:58:50.500 --> 01:58:50.900
there is hard training to build a cloud-based system i have to say for a long time which is

01:58:50.900 --> 01:58:56.820
hardware that people actually throw in the garbage that is perfectly capable of running a nas

01:58:56.820 --> 01:59:01.940
operating system and i get it in europe you might not actually want to run that because the power

01:59:01.940 --> 01:59:08.100
efficiency is going to be a killer but if you happen to live somewhere with cheap power why is

01:59:08.100 --> 01:59:15.220
it going into the trash it should still be used why are you gonna throw that working hardware away

01:59:15.220 --> 01:59:21.540
go buy some appliance some overpriced appliance yeah not to mention underpowered in a lot of cases

01:59:22.260 --> 01:59:27.560
that is not upgradable at all and that you're ultimately going to throw in the trash later

01:59:27.560 --> 01:59:33.560
and your data sync it can only go to other well okay this is very old information it's

01:59:33.560 --> 01:59:40.020
complicated okay you knew where i was going with this you can sync to a lot of different

01:59:40.020 --> 01:59:45.300
things but also syncing just to a target like properly is a little

01:59:45.380 --> 01:59:50.020
more complicated to set up okay the point is there's a better way yeah and i want there to

01:59:50.020 --> 01:59:58.360
be a better way yeah yeah pretty much new topic should we should we do more merch messages yeah

01:59:58.360 --> 02:00:02.360
we should do a couple merch messages probably i bet there's a few that are built up here yeah

02:00:03.290 --> 02:00:06.330
yeah i've got some uh potentials you guys should probably have a look at too

02:00:06.330 --> 02:00:10.730
sure i'll go in here from ronald working in the medical imaging field i've seen that a

02:00:10.730 --> 02:00:17.770
lot of imaging data being moved to the cloud and uh he doesn't necessarily agree with it oh no uh we're

02:00:17.850 --> 02:00:20.090
going to have to figure out how to do that but what are your thoughts on medical imaging using

02:00:20.090 --> 02:00:31.660
cloud storage sounds terrible but also i mean this ties in perfectly to what we were just talking

02:00:31.660 --> 02:00:38.540
about so what is every like small independent office supposed to have a full-time i.t person

02:00:38.540 --> 02:00:46.780
to handle their in a lot of cases like regulator uh not endorsed what's the bloody word i'm looking

02:00:46.780 --> 02:00:52.060
enforced like they're they're they're like regulated data storage like compliance

02:00:53.340 --> 02:00:58.740
system like they they can this is what this is what my like company before i started working

02:00:58.740 --> 02:01:04.420
with you was right so who's going to manage their compliance when it comes to safely storing all

02:01:04.420 --> 02:01:13.130
this data in a secure and reliable fashion i mean cloud is the answer uh is it actually safe well

02:01:13.770 --> 02:01:22.760
i don't know i hope so yeah but like what if you could so so one of the one of the things that i've

02:01:22.760 --> 02:01:23.560
told this nazi i don't know i don't know but like what if you could so so one of the one of the things that i've told this nazi

02:01:23.640 --> 02:01:28.120
software developer that i insist exists is a peer-to-peer

02:01:29.560 --> 02:01:34.760
yeah a peer-to-peer encrypted backup solution yeah that's great so that if luke and i were each

02:01:34.760 --> 02:01:39.880
running Linus nas or you know whatever it ultimately ends up being called please don't it's

02:01:39.880 --> 02:01:49.400
not it's not it has a name i just said it's close to it okay oh god we don't need to go down that

02:01:49.400 --> 02:01:53.320
path again one knaz um anywho

02:01:53.320 --> 02:02:03.940
sorry okay keep going until if luke and i each had one it should be as simple as entering each

02:02:03.940 --> 02:02:09.060
other's like profile like friending each other essentially and being able to allocate backup

02:02:09.060 --> 02:02:14.500
space to each other that is then encrypted so that even with access to the hardware luke cannot look

02:02:14.500 --> 02:02:20.340
at my files and i can't look at his but we know that our data is safely stored somewhere off-site

02:02:20.340 --> 02:02:24.580
yeah that should not be complicated in the year 2020

02:02:24.660 --> 02:02:37.110
22. that should be like three clicks and if it's not we suck yeah i could totally see that being

02:02:37.110 --> 02:02:44.630
amazing for our professional offices too like if you could just have like dr net i mean this is

02:02:45.270 --> 02:02:52.710
this is in my opinion the biggest problem with uh with like at-home storage for basically

02:02:52.710 --> 02:02:57.670
anybody is if you want to back it up because everyone tells you like oh it's not a backup if

02:02:57.670 --> 02:02:57.830
it's

02:02:58.150 --> 02:02:58.230
not a backup if you want to back it up because everyone tells you like oh it's not a backup if

02:02:58.230 --> 02:02:59.190
it's not a backup if you want to back it up because everyone tells you like oh it's not a backup if

02:02:59.190 --> 02:03:03.830
so you're like oh okay i know i'm not i probably shouldn't use the voice but the reason why i use

02:03:03.830 --> 02:03:09.750
the voice is because a lot of people hear that and then they go cool but i don't really have the

02:03:09.750 --> 02:03:18.460
technical ability or the knowledge or whatever to fix said problem so like great thanks i don't

02:03:18.460 --> 02:03:22.220
know like what am i supposed to do with this information so if you can give them something

02:03:22.220 --> 02:03:28.490
to do with that information yeah that would be awesome that'd be nice uh leo lan asks didn't you

02:03:28.490 --> 02:03:33.210
say that if you have physical access to a server that encryption security doesn't matter anymore

02:03:34.550 --> 02:03:46.250
encrypted data um as long as it is properly encrypted is probably going to be very difficult

02:03:46.250 --> 02:03:52.490
to gain access to at this point in time it's still like as as we said before no security is absolute

02:03:53.290 --> 02:04:00.630
yes i yeah when we've said things like that there's often been context

02:04:00.790 --> 02:04:07.030
around it like for example when we talked about how apple allowed the chinese government to

02:04:07.030 --> 02:04:11.190
dictate which data center all of their chinese customers data was stored in

02:04:14.390 --> 02:04:20.230
what we mean is an entity with extreme capability and extremely long-term access and

02:04:21.510 --> 02:04:31.190
essentially it's a it's a ccp owned data center so come on yeah come on yeah right

02:04:31.990 --> 02:04:39.510
um and in a lot of cases like we're talking about a situation where the way that the like okay

02:04:39.510 --> 02:04:45.750
something like bit locker for example if you had unlimited time and access to an encrypted drive

02:04:45.750 --> 02:04:53.430
you might eventually be able to brute force it but in this case if it's just a dump of encrypted data

02:04:54.310 --> 02:05:03.670
um i don't have the technical expertise to know what it would take to break into it do you know

02:05:03.670 --> 02:05:08.710
anything about that like it seems to be completely honest reading potential merch messages but

02:05:08.710 --> 02:05:14.550
you're talking about breaking encryption on files yeah just on just on just a dump of data in like a

02:05:14.550 --> 02:05:21.270
in a container file if you're if you're taking brute force uh uh if you're taking the the

02:05:21.830 --> 02:05:27.190
attack vector of brute force yeah like as-256 you can somewhat like measure how long that's going to

02:05:27.190 --> 02:05:32.950
take or measure an estimation of how long that will take on average i should say right um if it i mean

02:05:33.670 --> 02:05:38.390
there's always the potential that it guesses it first try uh but like the chance of that is you

02:05:38.390 --> 02:05:43.750
know uh well my password is password so what do you think oh it might get it in the first 50 or

02:05:43.750 --> 02:05:49.030
something yeah um but yeah there's there's some amount of measurable difficulty there for brute

02:05:49.030 --> 02:05:55.270
forcing uh but then you also have to question the ability of removing the lock right right

02:05:55.270 --> 02:06:00.070
uh because you can you can basically always compare any type of security to almost any

02:06:00.070 --> 02:06:03.590
other type of security because they're similar similar attacks right right

02:06:03.670 --> 02:06:10.890
for um yeah yeah there's always the possibility of finding a way to remove the lock or go around

02:06:10.890 --> 02:06:15.770
the door or do whatever basically some way that you don't have to interact with guessing the password

02:06:15.770 --> 02:06:24.660
um so nothing is ever 100 uh if something exists you should not assume that security on it is 100

02:06:25.300 --> 02:06:33.300
if anyone tells you that security on it is 100 uh either they are a fool or you should deeply question

02:06:34.020 --> 02:06:39.430
the motivation that they have for telling you that that's basically it what is this

02:06:51.940 --> 02:06:52.180
yeah

02:06:55.060 --> 02:06:58.100
yeah there's always a way yeah that's great

02:06:59.640 --> 02:07:05.800
um okay hit me again more uh this one's from ryan happy holidays having heard all the recent talk

02:07:05.800 --> 02:07:12.680
about the ai in the media and art how do you view ai in art as it relates to copyright saw a tweet

02:07:12.680 --> 02:07:13.960
thread about this relationship

02:07:14.040 --> 02:07:20.840
so um a lot of people think that the most important thing to an art is the commercial behind the local

02:07:20.840 --> 02:07:25.990
industry um do you think that the most important thing to us as a as a general industry is to

02:07:25.990 --> 02:07:30.230
be able to do a commercial uh baseball um you think that that's a big deal

02:07:30.230 --> 02:07:36.390
yeah definitely sure i think so uh you know as far as i'm concerned i don't think it's a big

02:07:36.390 --> 02:07:40.070
deal and it's a big issue because it's a good question and i'm hoping that you know that the

02:07:40.070 --> 02:07:43.910
normal message of the government might be that you know i'm going to keep doing that but you know

02:07:43.910 --> 02:07:50.550
a few ai things there was a few different comments talking about how uh i seemed quite pro gpt or

02:07:50.550 --> 02:08:03.800
large large language model ai things and i was quite anti art model bots oh okay so i was talking

02:08:03.800 --> 02:08:09.100
about how i didn't like ai art i did and in the same show i was talking about how i did like gpt

02:08:09.100 --> 02:08:14.360
sure and people were saying that that was fairly hypocritical and i think from oh okay watching

02:08:14.360 --> 02:08:19.280
the show and the things that were talked about in the show i think that stance was quite fair

02:08:19.280 --> 02:08:26.440
to be completely honest i think part of that reason is because i haven't dove far enough into

02:08:26.440 --> 02:08:30.740
my reasons for that and to be completely transparent a fair amount of my opinion on

02:08:30.740 --> 02:08:36.360
that at that time was basically a vibe check right i hadn't really dove into it enough i have dove

02:08:36.360 --> 02:08:41.720
into it a bit now i still don't think it's enough and i think one of the reasons why it's not enough

02:08:41.720 --> 02:08:43.960
is i think this is actually just a ridiculously

02:08:44.360 --> 02:08:52.700
ridiculously complicated topic well yeah sure like it's it's really really hard um i think

02:08:52.700 --> 02:09:01.980
there are some problems there's lots of problems one of them is that the training depth is highly

02:09:01.980 --> 02:09:08.480
questionable on some of the ai art generators yeah to the point where i have found examples

02:09:08.480 --> 02:09:15.080
where it is trained on one artist and when you ask it to output different things

02:09:15.320 --> 02:09:19.960
it basically just outputs pretty much exactly what that artist did

02:09:20.600 --> 02:09:25.160
yeah um i have also done some stuff i was talking to you about this where i search for a specific

02:09:25.160 --> 02:09:32.440
term that is highly related to an extremely famous piece of art and i've gotten a bunch

02:09:32.440 --> 02:09:39.000
of different ai art generators to output pretty much just the original with some extremely minor

02:09:39.640 --> 02:09:45.160
changes like hey we didn't copy it haha yeah and and this is like i'm talking i'm

02:09:45.320 --> 02:09:51.560
not giving it a ton of terms i'm not being super super hyper specific so that if you asked pretty

02:09:51.560 --> 02:09:57.720
much any human artist to do this they would have output pretty much the exact same thing i'm not

02:09:57.720 --> 02:10:02.840
saying like draw me a cogwheel and pretty much everyone draws the same cogwheel i i'm like or

02:10:02.840 --> 02:10:07.160
i'm not saying draw me a cogwheel at this exact orientation and then but with this many spokes

02:10:07.160 --> 02:10:14.660
all that kind of stuff i'm i'm giving somewhat vague things and not very many okay i'll just

02:10:14.660 --> 02:10:23.850
say the term i said um arab girl green eyes yeah gee i wonder what image you end up with and that's

02:10:23.850 --> 02:10:31.940
all i gave them so it has uh a race it has a color of eyes and it has a gender that's it

02:10:31.940 --> 02:10:40.240
wait you mean this one and that's the i believe that's the original yes um and these ai art

02:10:40.240 --> 02:10:45.360
programs were putting out pretty much that at like you know different angles and stuff

02:10:45.360 --> 02:10:45.540
yeah

02:10:45.540 --> 02:10:51.600
yeah but like oh maybe a different color of you know robe or whatever this was i did this like

02:10:51.600 --> 02:10:55.120
yeah almost immediately after last one so it's been a little while but if i remember correctly

02:10:55.120 --> 02:11:01.040
she has freckles sure and like every single one she had freckles in it i don't know how common

02:11:01.040 --> 02:11:09.390
that is but like wow it was it was afghan i don't know sorry i did this like a week ago i don't

02:11:09.390 --> 02:11:15.050
remember the exact search term um i i lifted basically this scenario from somebody on twitter

02:11:15.050 --> 02:11:16.110
but they deleted their

02:11:16.110 --> 02:11:20.730
post i wanted to share it on the show they they deleted or privated or they did something with

02:11:20.730 --> 02:11:25.130
their post and then i couldn't get it back again uh because i wanted to attribute the they also

02:11:25.130 --> 02:11:29.550
had photos of it happening and they had everything and it was really good but i think they they got

02:11:29.550 --> 02:11:33.610
a bunch of heat from the people that are very pro ai art and they decided to private everything

02:11:33.610 --> 02:11:39.430
which is totally there that's fine but i just wanted to use that and i couldn't so i redid it

02:11:39.430 --> 02:11:45.530
i don't remember exactly what the search terms were anyways that photo was re-spat out by a ton

02:11:45.530 --> 02:11:45.910
of them

02:11:46.110 --> 02:11:49.890
then i dove into it and figured out that there was one particular artist that was upset

02:11:49.890 --> 02:11:58.110
because someone had trained an ai art model off of only their art um and like there's all this

02:11:58.110 --> 02:12:04.070
weird stuff going on i think the ai art space is very murky right now i think there are ways to do

02:12:04.070 --> 02:12:12.400
it right i don't think it's automatically bad yep i think there have been a lot of bad examples

02:12:12.400 --> 02:12:16.700
are we having this conversation less around chat gpt because it is a

02:12:16.780 --> 02:12:25.140
very dangerous thing to do to a product that is more profitable than it is to be able to

02:12:25.140 --> 02:12:26.140
do it yourself

02:12:26.140 --> 02:12:32.900
that's a firm point do you think it's much more profitable than it was before

02:12:32.900 --> 02:12:43.200
i think so i have because writing is another like in danger profession that has uh been i mean been

02:12:43.200 --> 02:12:46.860
under attack for a long time like this is not this is not new i was reading a really interesting

02:12:46.860 --> 02:12:47.800
article recently about how the proliferation of celebrity kids books not just celebrity but also i'm adding this part this was not part of the article but celebrity kids books and also old kids books afterwards and i i think of course some of those books in general that have been criticized by critics bring up a lot of the Uzbekistan people are asking if they just made these kind of nerds books.

02:12:47.800 --> 02:12:52.980
So old kids' books has made it really difficult

02:12:52.980 --> 02:12:55.660
for new artists and new writers

02:12:55.660 --> 02:12:58.080
to break out into the children's literature space

02:12:58.080 --> 02:13:01.040
because why would you go and invest

02:13:01.040 --> 02:13:03.200
in publishing a new artist's book

02:13:03.200 --> 02:13:06.900
when you can just print more copies of The Cat in the Hat?

02:13:07.480 --> 02:13:10.040
Or, you know, I don't even know

02:13:10.040 --> 02:13:12.220
if Martha Stewart has a children's book or whatever,

02:13:12.220 --> 02:13:15.540
but like, or you could just get someone to ghost write

02:13:15.540 --> 02:13:19.040
Martha Stewart counts turkeys or whatever, right?

02:13:19.260 --> 02:13:19.360
Sure.

02:13:20.140 --> 02:13:24.180
And that's so much more likely to end up

02:13:24.180 --> 02:13:27.500
in the checkout aisle at the grocery store

02:13:27.500 --> 02:13:29.380
than some random thing.

02:13:29.500 --> 02:13:31.500
And it's kind of like killing creativity.

02:13:31.640 --> 02:13:33.160
Now, I want to make it very clear.

02:13:34.480 --> 02:13:37.340
The ABCs of Gaming was not a cash grab,

02:13:37.520 --> 02:13:39.260
was not particularly profitable

02:13:39.260 --> 02:13:41.540
compared to what else I could have spent my time on

02:13:41.860 --> 02:13:43.160
for how many we've sold.

02:13:43.260 --> 02:13:44.820
And it's about met my expectations

02:13:44.820 --> 02:13:45.520
in terms of sales.

02:13:45.600 --> 02:13:47.240
And I did not have it ghost written.

02:13:47.380 --> 02:13:49.000
I actually wrote it, every word.

02:13:50.340 --> 02:13:52.280
I'm not saying that that's like hard

02:13:52.280 --> 02:13:54.320
and I'm some kind of like master poet

02:13:54.320 --> 02:13:55.160
or anything like that.

02:13:55.160 --> 02:13:58.660
I'm just saying that it was not just a marketing gimmick

02:13:58.660 --> 02:13:59.200
for the book.

02:13:59.260 --> 02:14:00.680
I just wanted it to exist.

02:14:00.720 --> 02:14:01.340
So I made it.

02:14:01.400 --> 02:14:02.640
That's kind of how we do things.

02:14:03.440 --> 02:14:05.110
But, um,

02:14:07.150 --> 02:14:10.310
Kibrim in Flowplane Chat says,

02:14:10.790 --> 02:14:12.850
Kim Kardashian's Daddy Isn't Feeling Well.

02:14:12.850 --> 02:14:14.070
Is that an actual book?

02:14:15.310 --> 02:14:15.910
Shut up.

02:14:16.050 --> 02:14:16.390
Wait, what?

02:14:23.120 --> 02:14:23.520
No.

02:14:24.020 --> 02:14:24.840
Okay, okay.

02:14:24.920 --> 02:14:25.700
I thought that might,

02:14:25.800 --> 02:14:28.340
I thought that might have actually been

02:14:28.340 --> 02:14:29.560
a children's book.

02:14:29.700 --> 02:14:32.440
Anyway, so the point is that writing

02:14:32.440 --> 02:14:34.240
is another art form

02:14:34.240 --> 02:14:35.740
that has absolutely been under attack.

02:14:35.860 --> 02:14:36.400
And I just, yeah,

02:14:36.440 --> 02:14:38.440
I wonder if the conversation is just different

02:14:38.440 --> 02:14:41.660
because examples of plagiarism

02:14:41.660 --> 02:14:43.760
are so much more difficult

02:14:43.760 --> 02:14:45.260
to point at and go,

02:14:45.380 --> 02:14:46.060
there, that,

02:14:46.380 --> 02:14:48.680
that was obviously trained on that article.

02:14:49.460 --> 02:14:51.840
Yeah, it is far easier with art.

02:14:51.840 --> 02:14:53.420
And that's another thing

02:14:53.420 --> 02:14:55.700
that I came to was like,

02:14:56.580 --> 02:14:58.520
is GPT better

02:14:58.560 --> 02:15:00.420
or is it just harder to tell?

02:15:00.720 --> 02:15:03.200
And I have some minor counters to that.

02:15:03.360 --> 02:15:04.880
Uh, someone in Flowplane Chat just said,

02:15:04.880 --> 02:15:07.320
I put Afghan Girl Green Eyes into Dolly too,

02:15:07.320 --> 02:15:08.420
and it's super similar.

02:15:08.460 --> 02:15:10.840
It's like, yeah, um,

02:15:12.190 --> 02:15:14.990
code is the one way that I've kind of poked that.

02:15:14.990 --> 02:15:17.410
So something that I started doing was I started looking at,

02:15:17.690 --> 02:15:24.250
um, Googling questions where you would expect a code output and finding the

02:15:24.250 --> 02:15:24.290
topic.

02:15:24.290 --> 02:15:24.390
Um, Googling questions where you would expect a code output and finding the topic.

02:15:24.390 --> 02:15:31.960
So I started looking at the top responses and then asking GPT chat the same question and getting a different response.

02:15:32.020 --> 02:15:32.740
Oh, okay.

02:15:33.220 --> 02:15:34.640
That did happen.

02:15:35.260 --> 02:15:36.000
But,

02:15:36.620 --> 02:15:37.280
but,

02:15:37.480 --> 02:15:39.540
and I haven't gotten a bunch of this produced.

02:15:40.120 --> 02:15:41.220
And this is where I'm saying like,

02:15:41.220 --> 02:15:42.400
this is not an end,

02:15:42.500 --> 02:15:44.320
a finalized conversation.

02:15:44.320 --> 02:15:48.580
And I'm very interested in people continuing to dive into these things.

02:15:48.840 --> 02:15:54.280
Um, and I think it matters because I think pretty much now is when we need to figure out how all this stuff is going to work.

02:15:54.280 --> 02:15:54.440
Yeah.

02:15:54.440 --> 02:16:00.400
Um, but I have heard claims that people have gotten code outputs,

02:16:00.840 --> 02:16:03.580
uh, and then people have asked it to,

02:16:03.620 --> 02:16:03.920
or they,

02:16:03.920 --> 02:16:12.700
they got code outputs and they asked it to include comments and the comments included unique things from like people who wrote original code that was highly related,

02:16:13.360 --> 02:16:14.740
uh, like names and stuff.

02:16:15.400 --> 02:16:16.060
Oh, weird.

02:16:16.100 --> 02:16:17.980
I have never seen,

02:16:18.240 --> 02:16:20.200
I've never seen an example of that,

02:16:20.260 --> 02:16:22.300
which has me a little sus.

02:16:22.440 --> 02:16:22.780
Right.

02:16:22.780 --> 02:16:23.000
Okay.

02:16:23.000 --> 02:16:23.560
Um,

02:16:23.880 --> 02:16:24.760
because almost,

02:16:24.760 --> 02:16:25.720
every time anyone's like,

02:16:25.720 --> 02:16:25.900
Oh,

02:16:25.900 --> 02:16:26.400
look at this thing,

02:16:26.400 --> 02:16:31.540
GPT did they have screenshotted and I have not seen screenshots of this,

02:16:31.720 --> 02:16:32.680
but I have heard of it.

02:16:32.680 --> 02:16:33.000
Screenshot,

02:16:33.000 --> 02:16:33.600
even if you had,

02:16:33.600 --> 02:16:34.900
it could easily be faked.

02:16:34.900 --> 02:16:35.680
So that's that too,

02:16:35.680 --> 02:16:36.820
especially with text,

02:16:37.080 --> 02:16:38.320
because you can just inspect element and just,

02:16:39.060 --> 02:16:39.640
um,

02:16:39.980 --> 02:16:41.440
and people have done that with GPT.

02:16:41.440 --> 02:16:42.140
I know that for sure.

02:16:42.580 --> 02:16:46.180
I was planning to come on this show and talk about how GPT had been,

02:16:46.720 --> 02:16:47.560
uh,

02:16:47.740 --> 02:16:48.040
uh,

02:16:48.040 --> 02:16:51.140
like cut down very substantially and what it was able to do.

02:16:51.640 --> 02:16:52.300
And then,

02:16:52.420 --> 02:16:52.840
uh,

02:16:52.960 --> 02:16:54.520
literally yesterday,

02:16:54.760 --> 02:16:58.480
they like patched it and now it's not.

02:16:58.720 --> 02:17:00.410
So I don't know.

02:17:01.970 --> 02:17:02.550
I was like,

02:17:02.550 --> 02:17:04.710
going to come on the show and complain about how it just tells you,

02:17:04.710 --> 02:17:06.050
it can't do any things all the time.

02:17:06.290 --> 02:17:07.910
And then you have to fight it to get it to do it.

02:17:08.070 --> 02:17:09.170
And then they updated it.

02:17:09.230 --> 02:17:10.710
And part of the patch notes is like,

02:17:10.710 --> 02:17:13.170
it will do things more often instead of saying that it can't.

02:17:13.190 --> 02:17:13.550
And I'm like,

02:17:13.550 --> 02:17:13.850
Oh,

02:17:14.550 --> 02:17:15.050
all right.

02:17:15.170 --> 02:17:15.330
Well,

02:17:15.330 --> 02:17:15.830
that's cool.

02:17:16.130 --> 02:17:16.430
Um,

02:17:16.430 --> 02:17:16.970
so yeah,

02:17:16.970 --> 02:17:17.390
I don't know.

02:17:17.390 --> 02:17:17.810
It's a,

02:17:17.810 --> 02:17:20.760
it's a really complicated question.

02:17:20.940 --> 02:17:21.440
Um,

02:17:21.660 --> 02:17:24.360
does making it so that your model,

02:17:24.360 --> 02:17:24.720
um,

02:17:24.720 --> 02:17:29.670
model is trained off of everything instead of one person,

02:17:29.670 --> 02:17:30.490
make it better.

02:17:30.930 --> 02:17:31.290
Uh,

02:17:32.840 --> 02:17:35.060
or does that just make it more plagiarized?

02:17:35.300 --> 02:17:35.840
Yeah.

02:17:37.680 --> 02:17:38.120
Yeah.

02:17:38.120 --> 02:17:38.660
I'm not sure.

02:17:38.820 --> 02:17:39.080
I,

02:17:39.080 --> 02:17:39.500
my,

02:17:39.500 --> 02:17:41.060
my gut kind of says,

02:17:41.480 --> 02:17:43.080
I don't know if it makes it okay,

02:17:43.220 --> 02:17:48.200
but it does feel a little bit better because when I saw the AI art model

02:17:48.620 --> 02:17:50.980
that was trained off of one person,

02:17:52.990 --> 02:17:53.530
that,

02:17:53.530 --> 02:17:55.630
that was gross to me.

02:17:55.630 --> 02:18:03.010
That was like really not cool or okay at all because you were genuinely getting very similar things.

02:18:03.910 --> 02:18:06.030
And I'm not just saying this to defend the artist.

02:18:06.190 --> 02:18:08.590
The originals were definitely better.

02:18:08.950 --> 02:18:09.970
They were clearly better.

02:18:10.210 --> 02:18:12.670
You could see that there was a vision for it.

02:18:12.670 --> 02:18:15.010
There was an idea for it and it was more actualized.

02:18:15.010 --> 02:18:17.390
Like this is someone who's clearly very good at art.

02:18:17.770 --> 02:18:18.370
Um,

02:18:19.570 --> 02:18:22.030
but the AI art was pretty good.

02:18:22.270 --> 02:18:23.890
If I hadn't seen the originals,

02:18:24.610 --> 02:18:26.150
I would have thought the AI art was like,

02:18:26.150 --> 02:18:26.870
really solid,

02:18:26.990 --> 02:18:27.290
you know?

02:18:27.410 --> 02:18:32.340
So I don't even remember what the original question was,

02:18:32.380 --> 02:18:34.640
but the original question was Linus,

02:18:34.640 --> 02:18:39.840
can you clarify what's going on with the cost of BYOC tickets at LTX 2023?

02:18:41.260 --> 02:18:42.140
I screwed that up.

02:18:42.420 --> 02:18:42.960
Um,

02:18:43.080 --> 02:18:47.400
the BYOC ticket is supposed to include admission for the two days.

02:18:47.440 --> 02:18:47.980
Whoa.

02:18:48.000 --> 02:18:51.120
So I told Chase that's too cheap and we are changing the price.

02:18:51.140 --> 02:18:51.300
Yeah.

02:18:51.300 --> 02:18:52.440
I was going to say that's really,

02:18:52.440 --> 02:18:52.680
yeah,

02:18:52.680 --> 02:18:55.380
that was like very not good pricing for it.

02:18:55.580 --> 02:18:56.100
Um,

02:18:56.200 --> 02:18:56.740
anyway,

02:18:56.780 --> 02:18:57.580
and that's also,

02:18:57.820 --> 02:18:58.200
uh,

02:18:58.260 --> 02:18:58.720
if it,

02:18:58.720 --> 02:19:00.360
if it helps Chase to feel better,

02:19:00.440 --> 02:19:02.280
I don't think that's how that normally works.

02:19:02.580 --> 02:19:03.420
Like for,

02:19:03.420 --> 02:19:04.020
for PAX,

02:19:04.020 --> 02:19:08.600
you have to buy a pass to the event and then you also get your BYOC badge.

02:19:08.600 --> 02:19:08.980
Yeah.

02:19:09.020 --> 02:19:11.280
So any who we're getting it sorted out,

02:19:11.280 --> 02:19:11.940
stay tuned.

02:19:12.180 --> 02:19:12.540
Uh,

02:19:12.540 --> 02:19:14.440
but on the subject of art,

02:19:14.440 --> 02:19:14.580
see,

02:19:14.580 --> 02:19:15.420
I'm going to bring it back there.

02:19:15.420 --> 02:19:15.660
Hey,

02:19:15.660 --> 02:19:16.080
there we go.

02:19:16.140 --> 02:19:18.540
I get to show you guys the,

02:19:18.600 --> 02:19:18.840
uh,

02:19:18.840 --> 02:19:23.280
draft branding for Orca and dolphin packages.

02:19:24.470 --> 02:19:24.870
Oops.

02:19:26.040 --> 02:19:26.640
Um,

02:19:26.700 --> 02:19:26.860
Oh,

02:19:26.860 --> 02:19:27.960
that is so sweet.

02:19:27.960 --> 02:19:33.000
So we have whales orcas and dolphins.

02:19:33.000 --> 02:19:33.120
Oh,

02:19:33.120 --> 02:19:34.500
the dolphins don't get a chain.

02:19:34.540 --> 02:19:34.680
Oh,

02:19:34.680 --> 02:19:35.040
I see.

02:19:35.040 --> 02:19:39.780
So it goes chain with the dollar thing and then it's just chain.

02:19:39.780 --> 02:19:40.560
And then it's no chain.

02:19:40.620 --> 02:19:40.920
Yeah.

02:19:41.340 --> 02:19:42.780
I asked glasses though.

02:19:42.900 --> 02:19:45.340
I asked Sarah to do more like,

02:19:45.360 --> 02:19:45.700
um,

02:19:45.700 --> 02:19:46.800
like Oakley,

02:19:47.200 --> 02:19:47.640
like,

02:19:47.640 --> 02:19:47.820
uh,

02:19:47.820 --> 02:19:49.520
like beach douchebag,

02:19:49.840 --> 02:19:50.400
um,

02:19:50.400 --> 02:19:51.540
sunglasses on this one.

02:19:51.960 --> 02:19:52.980
And she,

02:19:53.340 --> 02:19:57.780
she thinks that those look stupid and doesn't want to put them on the dolphin.

02:19:57.960 --> 02:19:58.560
But I was like,

02:19:58.560 --> 02:19:58.720
yeah,

02:19:58.720 --> 02:20:00.180
but dolphins are assholes.

02:20:00.200 --> 02:20:01.020
So like,

02:20:01.780 --> 02:20:03.240
I tell you what,

02:20:03.240 --> 02:20:04.200
please humor me,

02:20:05.100 --> 02:20:09.420
draw it on and then we can fight it out with the AB in our

02:20:09.420 --> 02:20:09.900
next,

02:20:10.020 --> 02:20:11.040
in our next meeting.

02:20:11.040 --> 02:20:12.020
And she was like,

02:20:12.600 --> 02:20:13.080
okay.

02:20:13.980 --> 02:20:14.900
So I think,

02:20:15.200 --> 02:20:16.280
I think we'll get to,

02:20:16.320 --> 02:20:17.840
we'll get to see that sometime soon.

02:20:18.000 --> 02:20:18.300
Cool.

02:20:18.360 --> 02:20:18.600
Uh,

02:20:18.600 --> 02:20:20.360
in other internal news,

02:20:20.540 --> 02:20:20.760
uh,

02:20:20.760 --> 02:20:24.260
Floatplane exclusives will be going up.

02:20:24.360 --> 02:20:24.540
Well,

02:20:24.540 --> 02:20:27.960
at least one will be going up on LMG clips,

02:20:28.020 --> 02:20:29.220
as an experiment.

02:20:29.340 --> 02:20:30.840
We're going to run one of them,

02:20:31.140 --> 02:20:33.840
the behind the scenes from our shoot with nerd forge,

02:20:34.120 --> 02:20:36.100
and it will be available for 48 hours.

02:20:36.100 --> 02:20:38.400
If you guys like seeing a little bit of Floatplane on YouTube,

02:20:38.640 --> 02:20:41.980
the idea here is to use it as a promotional mechanism for Floatplane.

02:20:41.980 --> 02:20:43.120
So you guys can see it and go,

02:20:43.120 --> 02:20:43.740
oh,

02:20:43.740 --> 02:20:46.720
there's like hours and hours and hours and hours of more stuff like this on

02:20:46.720 --> 02:20:47.160
Floatplane.

02:20:47.160 --> 02:20:47.340
Oh,

02:20:47.340 --> 02:20:47.780
cool.

02:20:47.780 --> 02:20:50.200
And we can sign up because that's a little old at this point.

02:20:50.340 --> 02:20:51.420
It's great at this point,

02:20:51.540 --> 02:20:52.620
but it's a little older at this point.

02:20:52.780 --> 02:20:52.960
Yeah.

02:20:52.960 --> 02:20:53.760
Yeah.

02:20:55.300 --> 02:20:58.120
We actually have way too many topics this week.

02:20:58.300 --> 02:20:58.780
There's a lot.

02:20:58.780 --> 02:20:59.140
Um,

02:20:59.140 --> 02:21:01.480
I think we might have to kind of call it there and just,

02:21:01.480 --> 02:21:01.660
uh,

02:21:01.660 --> 02:21:03.820
go to Q and a and what time is it?

02:21:03.860 --> 02:21:04.120
Yeah,

02:21:04.120 --> 02:21:07.640
it's we're very deep into the show and I have to pee.

02:21:07.740 --> 02:21:10.300
So that's going to be our limiter here.

02:21:11.170 --> 02:21:11.450
All right.

02:21:11.450 --> 02:21:12.270
Here's another one from,

02:21:12.270 --> 02:21:13.370
uh,

02:21:13.370 --> 02:21:14.150
it's Danny.

02:21:14.250 --> 02:21:14.750
Uh,

02:21:14.750 --> 02:21:18.410
first check cleared for my first real it job.

02:21:18.450 --> 02:21:19.130
Nice.

02:21:19.310 --> 02:21:22.090
Getting a backpack to be my work slash tool bag,

02:21:22.150 --> 02:21:23.530
a question for Linus or Luke.

02:21:23.570 --> 02:21:27.110
Have there been any recent gaming publishers slash developers that you've

02:21:27.110 --> 02:21:29.250
committed to boycott my library?

02:21:29.310 --> 02:21:30.930
Is getting thin with no Activision,

02:21:30.930 --> 02:21:31.430
Blizzard,

02:21:31.650 --> 02:21:32.130
EA,

02:21:32.130 --> 02:21:34.110
riot or Ubisoft games.

02:21:35.250 --> 02:21:38.430
You have a fantastic opportunity to start playing indie games.

02:21:38.670 --> 02:21:39.750
Yeah.

02:21:40.650 --> 02:21:41.150
Wow.

02:21:41.190 --> 02:21:42.770
That's pretty thin.

02:21:42.930 --> 02:21:43.590
Um,

02:21:44.030 --> 02:21:45.150
not me personally.

02:21:47.050 --> 02:21:47.550
Um,

02:21:47.830 --> 02:21:49.770
I wish I was as principled as that,

02:21:49.810 --> 02:21:50.990
but I,

02:21:51.010 --> 02:21:53.490
I can't say that in my line of work,

02:21:53.490 --> 02:21:57.470
I even necessarily have the luxury of not buying games from a particular

02:21:57.470 --> 02:21:58.050
developer.

02:21:58.490 --> 02:21:59.530
Like I'm not going to go,

02:21:59.530 --> 02:21:59.890
well,

02:21:59.890 --> 02:22:03.270
we're just never going to benchmark anything from Ubisoft.

02:22:03.310 --> 02:22:03.870
Um,

02:22:05.090 --> 02:22:05.790
and that's,

02:22:05.790 --> 02:22:06.230
you know what,

02:22:06.230 --> 02:22:06.530
that's,

02:22:06.530 --> 02:22:07.430
that's weak,

02:22:07.550 --> 02:22:07.970
right?

02:22:08.090 --> 02:22:10.130
Like that's a weak sauce take.

02:22:10.450 --> 02:22:11.330
I'll own it.

02:22:11.510 --> 02:22:12.050
Um,

02:22:12.070 --> 02:22:14.290
because a more principled take would be,

02:22:14.290 --> 02:22:14.570
no,

02:22:14.570 --> 02:22:15.590
I strongly,

02:22:15.950 --> 02:22:20.510
I strongly disagree with the way X company treats Y members of their

02:22:20.510 --> 02:22:21.230
team or,

02:22:21.230 --> 02:22:22.190
or whatever else.

02:22:22.190 --> 02:22:23.090
And I am,

02:22:23.090 --> 02:22:24.490
I'm drawing a line in the sand.

02:22:24.490 --> 02:22:26.330
We will just not acknowledge them in any way.

02:22:26.810 --> 02:22:27.430
Um,

02:22:28.380 --> 02:22:28.740
uh,

02:22:28.740 --> 02:22:29.540
but I'm weak.

02:22:31.070 --> 02:22:31.730
I have,

02:22:31.730 --> 02:22:32.630
I have put,

02:22:32.790 --> 02:22:36.770
I have put content that will appeal to the people who will

02:22:36.770 --> 02:22:39.570
play those games and will buy those games.

02:22:39.590 --> 02:22:40.010
Um,

02:22:40.010 --> 02:22:42.350
I have put that first in this case.

02:22:44.600 --> 02:22:44.840
Okay.

02:22:44.840 --> 02:22:46.060
Here's another one from Corbin.

02:22:46.500 --> 02:22:50.240
How long do you think X 86 is a long for this world?

02:22:50.500 --> 02:22:54.260
My understanding that it's their instruction set is getting very bloated and

02:22:54.260 --> 02:22:56.960
would PC building survive such a drastic change?

02:22:58.620 --> 02:22:59.040
I mean,

02:22:59.040 --> 02:23:03.260
Anthony did a video a little while back that was called build a PC while you

02:23:03.260 --> 02:23:04.160
still can.

02:23:04.160 --> 02:23:09.080
And I think he does a pretty good job of actually addressing this very issue

02:23:09.080 --> 02:23:11.000
because even if X 86 sticks around,

02:23:11.000 --> 02:23:18.030
it's very clear that more tightly integrated components have not only cost

02:23:18.030 --> 02:23:19.490
advantages for manufacturers,

02:23:19.490 --> 02:23:21.410
but also practical advantages.

02:23:21.410 --> 02:23:21.590
I mean,

02:23:21.590 --> 02:23:25.370
we talked earlier on the show about how beneficial it can be to put DRAM

02:23:25.370 --> 02:23:27.590
extremely close to a CPU die.

02:23:28.550 --> 02:23:29.030
Well,

02:23:29.030 --> 02:23:31.070
that ain't changing anytime soon.

02:23:31.070 --> 02:23:32.690
And as we,

02:23:32.690 --> 02:23:33.230
as we,

02:23:33.230 --> 02:23:38.030
as we start to build interconnects with higher and higher and higher speeds,

02:23:38.390 --> 02:23:38.610
uh,

02:23:38.610 --> 02:23:40.910
like we saw with the Dell cam video,

02:23:40.970 --> 02:23:41.930
did you happen to see that?

02:23:42.450 --> 02:23:42.650
Uh,

02:23:42.650 --> 02:23:47.330
Dell created a new standard for a laptop memory modules that allows the,

02:23:48.010 --> 02:23:52.250
that allows the DRAM packages to get closer to the CPU so that we can actually

02:23:52.250 --> 02:23:54.110
hit DDR5 speeds,

02:23:55.350 --> 02:23:57.810
um,

02:23:57.810 --> 02:23:58.650
without,

02:23:58.650 --> 02:23:58.830
well,

02:23:58.830 --> 02:23:59.070
sorry,

02:23:59.070 --> 02:23:59.890
where was I going with this?

02:24:00.130 --> 02:24:00.370
Right.

02:24:00.370 --> 02:24:02.370
So we can hit DDR5 speeds,

02:24:02.550 --> 02:24:02.670
uh,

02:24:02.670 --> 02:24:04.890
without losing the modularity that comes with,

02:24:04.890 --> 02:24:05.010
uh,

02:24:05.010 --> 02:24:06.630
removable module.

02:24:06.630 --> 02:24:09.150
So they don't just have to solder the bloody things to the board.

02:24:09.630 --> 02:24:10.650
And I think,

02:24:10.650 --> 02:24:10.950
yeah,

02:24:10.950 --> 02:24:11.190
we're,

02:24:11.190 --> 02:24:12.870
we're going to see more and more integration.

02:24:12.870 --> 02:24:16.410
So regardless of how long X 86 is for this world,

02:24:16.410 --> 02:24:17.230
I,

02:24:17.230 --> 02:24:20.130
I think there's going to be some challenges ahead for custom PC building for

02:24:20.130 --> 02:24:22.670
sure.

02:24:22.670 --> 02:24:23.090
Okay.

02:24:23.090 --> 02:24:23.450
And,

02:24:23.450 --> 02:24:23.630
uh,

02:24:23.630 --> 02:24:24.890
last one I've got here is from Tristan.

02:24:25.130 --> 02:24:25.670
Hi guys.

02:24:25.670 --> 02:24:26.150
First,

02:24:26.150 --> 02:24:26.470
Luke,

02:24:26.470 --> 02:24:29.270
can you finish explaining how the stream is distributed?

02:24:29.450 --> 02:24:31.470
Second Linus Linux,

02:24:31.670 --> 02:24:32.630
I'm waiting to,

02:24:32.630 --> 02:24:33.030
uh,

02:24:33.030 --> 02:24:36.470
I'm waiting on a rack mounted gaming chassis on the store.

02:24:36.510 --> 02:24:36.570
No,

02:24:36.590 --> 02:24:37.250
no time soon.

02:24:37.250 --> 02:24:38.450
No progress updates,

02:24:38.490 --> 02:24:38.990
none.

02:24:39.470 --> 02:24:39.890
Sorry.

02:24:41.120 --> 02:24:41.360
Uh,

02:24:41.360 --> 02:24:41.600
yeah,

02:24:41.600 --> 02:24:43.220
it w it wasn't all that complicated.

02:24:43.220 --> 02:24:47.480
Basically I was just describing that we have our own restreaming service

02:24:47.480 --> 02:24:48.620
in house basically.

02:24:48.800 --> 02:24:50.360
So when we stream from here,

02:24:50.560 --> 02:24:53.160
we're actually streaming to a Floatplane server,

02:24:53.360 --> 02:24:57.560
and then the Floatplane server redistributes to Facebook,

02:24:57.620 --> 02:24:58.340
Twitch,

02:24:58.400 --> 02:24:59.320
YouTube,

02:24:59.520 --> 02:25:01.400
and also Floatplane and also Floatplane.

02:25:01.920 --> 02:25:02.520
I think that's it.

02:25:02.760 --> 02:25:03.280
That's it.

02:25:03.320 --> 02:25:04.480
Do we support Twitter?

02:25:05.290 --> 02:25:05.590
No,

02:25:06.280 --> 02:25:07.080
I thought we did at some point.

02:25:07.080 --> 02:25:08.900
Did you guys ever experiment with that?

02:25:09.000 --> 02:25:10.460
I think you asked me to,

02:25:10.460 --> 02:25:12.220
and I think I decided no.

02:25:15.360 --> 02:25:18.480
So I'm not the only one who doesn't listen.

02:25:19.200 --> 02:25:19.640
Yeah,

02:25:20.740 --> 02:25:21.400
that's fair enough.

02:25:21.760 --> 02:25:23.080
In this case you were listening.

02:25:27.700 --> 02:25:28.120
I don't,

02:25:28.120 --> 02:25:28.720
I don't remember.

02:25:28.720 --> 02:25:30.160
I think I'm trying to remember.

02:25:30.200 --> 02:25:31.200
AJ would remember.

02:25:31.460 --> 02:25:35.380
I think we might've looked into it and it was like possible,

02:25:35.380 --> 02:25:37.720
but annoying or something.

02:25:37.920 --> 02:25:38.800
I don't remember what it was.

02:25:38.800 --> 02:25:39.200
Sure.

02:25:39.520 --> 02:25:41.010
I'm over it.

02:25:41.010 --> 02:25:42.710
It's also very possible that I was just like,

02:25:42.710 --> 02:25:43.550
no,

02:25:45.450 --> 02:25:46.430
but I don't know.

02:25:48.160 --> 02:25:48.640
David E.

02:25:48.640 --> 02:25:48.860
No,

02:25:48.860 --> 02:25:49.280
I'm sorry.

02:25:49.280 --> 02:25:51.620
I don't have any hot takes on virtual desktops.

02:25:51.620 --> 02:25:52.780
Latest quest update,

02:25:53.020 --> 02:25:56.180
which requires an internet connection apparently because of piracy.

02:25:56.620 --> 02:25:56.860
I mean,

02:25:56.860 --> 02:25:58.780
I guess that's pretty obnoxious,

02:25:58.780 --> 02:26:00.640
but nope.

02:26:00.880 --> 02:26:01.480
Sorry.

02:26:02.850 --> 02:26:03.770
Philippe asks,

02:26:03.770 --> 02:26:08.370
is it true that most of the AMD AIBs will be reusing their huge heat sync

02:26:08.370 --> 02:26:09.710
designs from the 4080 and 4090?

02:26:09.710 --> 02:26:10.090
Yeah,

02:26:10.090 --> 02:26:13.570
90 for 7,900 XT and XTX designs,

02:26:13.570 --> 02:26:15.910
leaving us with incredibly overbuilt heat sinks.

02:26:16.690 --> 02:26:19.000
I doubt.

02:26:19.000 --> 02:26:19.240
Well,

02:26:19.240 --> 02:26:19.480
okay.

02:26:19.480 --> 02:26:20.260
So there's a couple of things.

02:26:20.260 --> 02:26:20.720
One,

02:26:20.720 --> 02:26:21.100
no,

02:26:21.100 --> 02:26:23.200
they will not be reusing exactly the same design.

02:26:23.200 --> 02:26:24.760
There will be new design work,

02:26:24.980 --> 02:26:28.900
but be a lot of the technologies that they invest in,

02:26:28.900 --> 02:26:30.400
whether it's to do like a,

02:26:30.700 --> 02:26:33.940
a direct heat pipe on chip,

02:26:34.040 --> 02:26:34.500
you know,

02:26:34.500 --> 02:26:39.540
cooler design or whether it's tooling to build a new kind of shroud or

02:26:39.540 --> 02:26:40.080
whatever else,

02:26:40.080 --> 02:26:42.660
they're absolutely going to reuse that to the greatest degree that they

02:26:42.660 --> 02:26:43.440
possibly can.

02:26:43.580 --> 02:26:45.300
So I think you'll see a lot of similarities.

02:26:46.370 --> 02:26:47.210
Andrew asks,

02:26:47.270 --> 02:26:47.450
Hey,

02:26:47.450 --> 02:26:48.130
when team,

02:26:48.190 --> 02:26:53.070
if you could have any person living or dead receive and review an LTT

02:26:53.070 --> 02:26:54.490
store.com product,

02:26:54.950 --> 02:26:58.250
who would you choose and which product would you want them to check out?

02:26:59.180 --> 02:27:00.300
Billy Mays.

02:27:03.580 --> 02:27:05.040
You don't have anything that's slap powered.

02:27:05.040 --> 02:27:05.280
Oh wait,

02:27:05.280 --> 02:27:05.400
no,

02:27:05.400 --> 02:27:06.280
that's different person.

02:27:06.320 --> 02:27:06.560
Yeah.

02:27:06.560 --> 02:27:08.140
And what did he do?

02:27:08.280 --> 02:27:09.180
He did a ton of stuff.

02:27:09.180 --> 02:27:10.680
He did a ton of stuff,

02:27:10.680 --> 02:27:11.020
man,

02:27:11.020 --> 02:27:11.460
man.

02:27:11.460 --> 02:27:12.960
I'd want Billy Mays to check out,

02:27:12.960 --> 02:27:13.140
man.

02:27:13.140 --> 02:27:14.200
What would amaze Billy Mays?

02:27:14.220 --> 02:27:15.640
I'd want him to do the screwdriver.

02:27:16.380 --> 02:27:17.220
Billy Mays here.

02:27:17.220 --> 02:27:18.020
And I've got the LTC.

02:27:18.300 --> 02:27:18.660
Oh,

02:27:18.740 --> 02:27:19.380
it'd be great.

02:27:19.380 --> 02:27:20.240
It'd be glorious.

02:27:22.140 --> 02:27:23.100
I don't know.

02:27:23.100 --> 02:27:23.780
I have no idea.

02:27:23.880 --> 02:27:24.520
I'd be so happy.

02:27:24.520 --> 02:27:26.020
I didn't be all positive.

02:27:26.020 --> 02:27:26.400
I mean,

02:27:26.780 --> 02:27:26.960
you know,

02:27:26.960 --> 02:27:28.180
he never crapped on anything.

02:27:29.470 --> 02:27:33.590
It'd be kind of cool to find like the person who first invented any

02:27:33.590 --> 02:27:38.010
form of screwdriver and get them to check out like this is far.

02:27:38.010 --> 02:27:38.130
We,

02:27:38.130 --> 02:27:39.410
this is what we have now.

02:27:39.470 --> 02:27:39.890
Yeah.

02:27:39.890 --> 02:27:40.570
That'd be pretty cool.

02:27:40.610 --> 02:27:41.390
That'd be pretty cool.

02:27:42.230 --> 02:27:42.550
Uh,

02:27:42.550 --> 02:27:43.530
AJ asks,

02:27:43.610 --> 02:27:43.890
uh,

02:27:43.890 --> 02:27:44.510
speaking of framework,

02:27:44.630 --> 02:27:47.170
do you ever think they will make laptops with gaming GPUs?

02:27:47.230 --> 02:27:48.090
I'd love to get one,

02:27:48.190 --> 02:27:50.050
but I really need a decent GPU in my laptop.

02:27:50.690 --> 02:27:51.090
Um,

02:27:51.830 --> 02:27:53.450
I'd love to see them do it too.

02:27:53.670 --> 02:27:56.410
I think that that's something that's going to be a lot more challenging.

02:27:56.730 --> 02:27:57.310
I mean,

02:27:57.610 --> 02:27:59.610
it's been tried time and time again,

02:27:59.610 --> 02:28:02.310
like modular GPUs and laptops,

02:28:02.430 --> 02:28:02.670
right?

02:28:03.190 --> 02:28:08.170
MXM as a form factor seems to have basically no support from particularly

02:28:08.170 --> 02:28:08.710
NVIDIA,

02:28:08.710 --> 02:28:11.870
who actually seems to have been on a mission to kill it for the last,

02:28:11.870 --> 02:28:13.490
like five to 10 years.

02:28:13.990 --> 02:28:15.730
So I think it's going to be a real challenge,

02:28:15.730 --> 02:28:17.170
but I would love to see them do it.

02:28:17.940 --> 02:28:19.240
That's all I can really say about that.

02:28:19.400 --> 02:28:19.560
Yes.

02:28:19.580 --> 02:28:21.160
I'm aware that it's a complete non-answer.

02:28:21.780 --> 02:28:22.140
Uh,

02:28:22.180 --> 02:28:23.200
miles says,

02:28:23.300 --> 02:28:23.400
Hey,

02:28:23.420 --> 02:28:26.140
Linus and Luke on the subject of P2P NAS solutions.

02:28:26.140 --> 02:28:27.240
Have you heard of cubbit?

02:28:27.580 --> 02:28:29.800
I think their goal aligns well with your values.

02:28:29.840 --> 02:28:31.400
It would be awesome to see it talked about an LTT.

02:28:31.620 --> 02:28:33.020
I am not aware of this.

02:28:33.140 --> 02:28:34.140
I always pronounced it cubit.

02:28:34.660 --> 02:28:35.020
Um,

02:28:35.400 --> 02:28:36.180
I've heard of them.

02:28:36.260 --> 02:28:37.560
I haven't looked deeply into it.

02:28:37.560 --> 02:28:37.880
Huh?

02:28:38.880 --> 02:28:41.700
Geodistributed cloud with immutable backup and S3 compatible object storage.

02:28:41.820 --> 02:28:41.920
I'm,

02:28:41.920 --> 02:28:42.720
it sounds kind of cool.

02:28:43.540 --> 02:28:45.940
It's also sounds probably complicated to use,

02:28:46.000 --> 02:28:47.760
which is not quite what I'm talking about,

02:28:47.860 --> 02:28:48.620
but yeah,

02:28:48.640 --> 02:28:49.300
it sounds kind of neat.

02:28:50.690 --> 02:28:52.010
And I think that's pretty much it.

02:28:52.090 --> 02:28:52.230
Yeah.

02:28:52.250 --> 02:28:53.670
I like really have to hit the bathroom.

02:28:53.890 --> 02:28:54.310
So bye.

02:28:55.030 --> 02:28:55.390
Yeah.

02:28:55.910 --> 02:28:56.270
Okay.

02:28:57.590 --> 02:28:57.990
Uh,

02:28:58.270 --> 02:28:58.550
yeah.

02:28:59.270 --> 02:28:59.630
Yeah.

02:28:59.730 --> 02:29:00.150
I'm on it.

02:29:00.230 --> 02:29:00.470
I'm on it.

02:29:00.610 --> 02:29:01.030
Next week.

02:29:01.070 --> 02:29:02.030
Same bad channel.

02:29:02.110 --> 02:29:02.310
Yep.

02:29:03.650 --> 02:29:04.150
Hitting it.

02:29:05.000 --> 02:29:07.760
It didn't go clicking it again.

02:29:08.680 --> 02:29:09.860
Did we start the server?

02:29:10.400 --> 02:29:15.840
All right.

02:29:16.440 --> 02:29:16.800
I don't,

02:29:16.800 --> 02:29:17.240
I don't know.

02:29:17.300 --> 02:29:17.720
I don't know.

02:29:17.840 --> 02:29:19.040
I don't know what to do with,

02:29:19.120 --> 02:29:19.760
with my hands.

02:29:20.120 --> 02:29:20.480
Uh,

02:29:20.980 --> 02:29:21.180
the,

02:29:21.380 --> 02:29:21.480
uh,

02:29:21.480 --> 02:29:22.420
I could,

02:29:22.500 --> 02:29:23.820
I go by again.

02:29:23.940 --> 02:29:24.920
You get to all.

02:29:25.020 --> 02:29:25.440
It works.

02:29:25.560 --> 02:29:26.300
There we go.

02:29:42.460 --> 02:29:42.980
For a decade.

02:29:45.060 --> 02:29:46.500
OVH MSI Zoho one.