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What's up, happy Friday and welcome to the WAN Show.

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We've got a great show lined up for you this week,

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but that's what we say every week.

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But this time I actually mean it.

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YouTube has announced a spam crackdown

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and coincidentally-

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So have you.

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So have I.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, we're gonna be talking a little bit

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about that later on.

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Also, oh wow, really, really?

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Twitter blocked JerryRigEverything?

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Yep.

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Along with journalists who have covered Elon in the past,

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particularly ElonJet, also the ElonJet account.

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So we'll be talking about the 180 degree about face

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that Elon Musk has done on his whole

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freedom of speech absolutionist thing

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that he said and never really demonstrated

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any commitment to.

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What else we got?

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Yeah, which one of these should I do?

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What, you don't like this one?

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Which one is this?

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The one I highlighted.

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Come on, it's awesome.

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Okay, TikTok takes on YouTube

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with experimental landscape video feature.

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Take that, we got landscape now.

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Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

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Now we've got landscape with copyrighted music

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we're not paying licensing fees for.

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Pow, pow, pow.

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Also, Linus is gonna rant about apps

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that copy paste metadata along with text.

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Yeah, cause it's stupid.

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It's annoying.

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Let's go ahead and jump right into

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YouTube announces spam crackdown.

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On Wednesday, YouTube announced

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that they will be dealing with the scourge

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of spam comments, stealing creators' profile pics,

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and posting emoji-filled prize-winning lies.

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That's right.

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They are finally doing something.

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I mean, they've been doing something for a while,

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but they're like-

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What do you mean?

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They removed the dislike button.

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Okay.

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I mean, but no.

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Problem solved.

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No, but even live chat is apparently getting improved bot detection,

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for example, which is actually kind of exciting

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because I don't know if you guys realize this,

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especially those of you who are watching on YouTube,

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but I do not look at the YouTube chat at all.

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I mean, you guys see me screen share,

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and how often, if ever, do you even see this window open?

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Do you ever see this window?

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What that means is I am not looking at the YouTube chat

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because it moves so fast, it is full of absolute garbage.

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And do I need any other reasons other than that?

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No, that's good enough.

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It moves really fast and is full of garbage.

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It's fast garbage.

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Yeah, Twitch's loading in chunks is actually kind of helpful

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because once it loads a bunch, it pauses for a second.

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It's slow garbage.

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You can actually read.

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And then there's Floatplane, which is quality.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But hey, maybe that's going to change.

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So YouTube will be implementing improved spam detection on video comments.

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As spammers change their tactics,

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our machine learning models are improving to better detect new types of spam.

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So that's good.

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They're working on improved bot detection in live chat.

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And they are...

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Okay, cool.

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So this is the controversial part.

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This is what I really wanted to talk to you about.

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Because up until now, as far as I can tell,

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like a machine learning...

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A chat moderator or comment moderator was only able to remove a comment.

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But the real change in capabilities is that they will now be able to issue

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warnings and timeouts to users.

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So if you leave abusive comments, an actual bot will be able to

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issue you a 24 hour timeout.

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What do you think of that?

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Bot moderators that will not only remove a comment or.

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Hold for moderation, but actually take moderator actions.

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Can you turn it off?

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As far as I can tell, the plan is to implement these features platform-wide

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without any kind of toggle for creators.

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I would be far more comfortable with it if you could turn it off.

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Because then the vast majority of people could just leave it on and it would be fine.

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But then like, remember when they were...

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I don't know exactly how to word.

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This, but YouTube was reducing the spread of, of anything that mentioned COVID at all.

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Those types of...

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Well, it wasn't that the...

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Okay, so hold on.

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It was that monetization was disabled on anything to do with COVID.

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But doesn't that basically automatically mean when you're YouTube that you're not boosting those videos as much?

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Well, okay.

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So I've had this conversation with people high up enough at YouTube that they should...

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at least know the right answers, whether they tell them to me or not.

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YouTube claims, swears up and down that the monetization status of a video does not affect its reach.

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They also swear up and down that they don't know how the algorithm fully works because it's machine learning based.

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Oh, I believe that.

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Oh, I see what you mean.

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Because if they're telling the thing, like, we want you to find ways to make money, why would it promote demonetized videos?

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My understanding, though, is that that is not...

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My understanding, though, is that that is not...

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is not a focus for the algorithmic inputs.

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The focuses for the algorithmic inputs are not just watch time.

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So it used to be views and then things like likes and comments.

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Things like interactions started to play heavily into it as well.

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And then it evolved to watch time.

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That was the that was the animation apocalypse, right?

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When YouTube started to emphasize watch time over view counts because animation is so expensive.

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to make per minute compared to something like VOD or, in particular, something like long gameplay videos or streams, right?

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Then they kind of realized, well, okay, watch time is not the be all and end all.

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And for at least the last few years, their emphasis has been on satisfaction.

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That's the word that you can't talk to a YouTube employee for more than probably 10 minutes.

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about the algorithm without them using.

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Viewer satisfaction.

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Sure.

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So they take a number of signals for that.

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They take whether you watch the video through, right?

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Like how much of the video you watch, how you engage with it, commenting on it, liking it, for example.

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A big, big one for satisfaction is if you click on another video when you're done watching.

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If you click on another video from that creator, that's a really strong indicator for satisfaction.

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Right?

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So if you want to be fed more of a certain creator or more of a certain kind of content, watch through a video, click on another one of their videos and watch that, and I pretty much promise you that your feed is going to be full of that kind of stuff.

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The other thing is that sometimes YouTube uses ad spots for things that are not ads, and you've probably seen this a fair bit.

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No, you have premium, don't you?

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Okay, so one of the things that you will see if you're an ad-supported user is surveys.

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And they won't just add.

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They'll ask you, did you like this video?

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Because that's what this button's for, right?

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And, you know, they've got five different settings, so you can tell it exactly how much you liked it, anywhere from one star to five stars.

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That'd be a good idea, though.

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Like 2006 YouTube?

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Yeah, that's what the thumbs up and thumbs down is for.

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So they'll ask you things like, how did this video make you feel?

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Like, you guys have probably seen this.

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So that is all so that they can gauge the user satisfaction.

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How much did this video satisfy?

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You because the idea is that it's all about keeping you on the platform for as many hours of the day as humanly or, I mean, realistically, machinely possible.

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Yeah, we actually did an AB test a while back where we took two similar videos.

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Actually, we did it a couple of times.

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So it was with a few different videos, but we took two videos that we kind of expected to perform similarly and intentionally disabled monetization on them.

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To see if, well, because my theory was that the one without monetization, given YouTube's desire for better satisfaction from viewers, I thought the one without monetization would actually perform better.

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Than the one with monetization.

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Because people would leave less.

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And so the reason that I cared about this was because sponsored videos will pay way more per view than an ad-supported video.

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So the idea was that if we had a full...

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...ad to a fully sponsored video and we could boost its reach by simply disabling Google ads, then that would be an obvious value add to the sponsor.

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It would juice up our view counts and it would mean that we could sell sponsored videos for more.

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So that was my whole plan was I was like, oh, okay, well, maybe we can increase viewer satisfaction by removing Google ads, ultimately increasing the value of our sponsored videos.

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But what we found every single time was that there did not appear to be any quality.

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So what we found every single time was that there did not appear to be any correlation whatsoever.

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And I called BS on this previously.

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The really wild part.

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All right.

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Is that what you're getting into?

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Sort of.

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Call BS on...

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So I called BS on this previously because I said that if I'm ever on a device, which is annoyingly often, that I'm not logged into the one Google account that I have premium on because there's no way I'm going to get premium on like seven different Google accounts.

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So if I'm ever logged in or it thinks that account is active or whatever, I will immediately leave because there's no way I'm watching an ad, but I think I understand now there's an example that you're going to throw out that is, that is really interesting, but I think I also understand, I think at this point, if you don't have premium...

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They're missing context still, Luke.

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Go for it.

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The really wild thing is that every time I talk to anyone from YouTube, they will swear up and down that ads do not affect retention or retention.

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That ads do not affect retention or satisfaction.

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Like even mid-roll ads.

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Like, I don't know if you guys have noticed, but because we have baked in sponsor reads to our videos, we do not include mid-roll ads on our LTT content.

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And the reason for that is that from my point of view, I feel the same way as you.

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A mid-roll ad is a very strong, a very high friction...

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It's a leave point.

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...point for me.

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But they say...

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They say that it doesn't affect retention, and one of the highest profile, the king of retention on the platform, MrBeast, I know, enables mid-roll ads, puts them in liberally, lets Google just figure out the best place to put them, and just lets it do its thing.

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And somehow that works.

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Yeah, someone pointed out like, oh, that's just because you have another account to switch to.

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No, I said device.

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So if I'm on someone else's computer...

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If I'm on this laptop, I don't have my personal email, because my YouTube Premium is on my personal email.

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If I don't have my personal email logged into something, I just literally won't watch YouTube because of the ads.

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But thinking about that, I was like, oh, I will know that and not go to YouTube, or I will know that or not realize that, go to YouTube, get an ad, and immediately leave permanently.

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So I think if people are going to YouTube, they're expecting ads.

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So it's not going to make them leave.

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It's not going to make them leave an individual video, because they're expecting ads.

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It's also a totally different viewer.

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Like the demographics of a channel like MrBeast, for example, and our channel are going to be very different.

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In the same way that the demographics of like a super popular, you know, beauty channel or gaming channel or science channel, actually science and technology overlap a ton.

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That was a bad example.

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But like, yeah, a comedy channel.

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The demographics are going to be super different.

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And I think that among tech-savvy viewers, you might find that the way that we are conditioned to accept ads is not as much.

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So I don't want to generalize, but I think it's probably fair to say that among the tech-savvy audience, you are more likely to find people who engage in ad blocking, content piracy.

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Yeah.

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You're more likely to find people who engage with new platforms.

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Like, I would say that the tech-savvy audience that's watching us right now was far more likely to subscribe to Netflix in the very early days than their mom or their auntie or their dad or grandpa.

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Those people are super tech-savvy as well.

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But yeah.

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Exactly.

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But that's what I'm saying is like, I think that the tech-savvy audience's tolerance for advertising is probably lower because they've spent the last 20, 30 years of their life in advertising.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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20 years not absorbing as much advertising as the average viewer.

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Like, I go over to my in-law's place and the TV is on.

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You know, like.

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All the time.

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Cable.

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Like, television.

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Yeah.

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And I'm standing in front of it and you know, it's like, it's like, oh, glowing object.

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Like fire.

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Me watch.

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You know, like, it draws you in, right?

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Yeah.

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Or there's something interesting on it.

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And then, you know, because it's like 30% advertising.

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advertising something comes on i'm like oh yeah ads have gotten like kind of kind of funny these

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see you later like that's it i'm done i'm i'm out because i'm not conditioned to to watch that

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whereas they'll just sit in front of it yeah i'm like oh well that's a generational gap that i

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hadn't really like thought about in a while yeah and so maybe maybe i mean okay here's something

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uh tiktok to my knowledge doesn't have premium okay i have no idea yeah guys you're gonna have

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to correct me if i'm wrong but my understanding is that there's no paid account there's just

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either you view ads on tiktok or that's it why wouldn't they i don't know that's actually a

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pretty good question um what is tiktok premium tiktok pro is an extended version of tiktok

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what apparently their ads are super trivial to skip though so apparently they are

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they are super easy to can you just like scroll past it ads can just be scrolled away yeah yeah

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but someone's got to watch it or they wouldn't even be able to keep the servers running

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so i don't i don't know i i can't explain this because i'm i'm like you guys i mean i i don't

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even see ads most of the time someone will be like how you do that is is actually crazy i

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because okay so he's gonna say this and you guys are gonna go like oh okay yeah he just ignores

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him no like he's gonna say this and you guys are gonna go like oh okay yeah he just ignores him

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literally somehow just like mentally blocks it i don't know how to describe oh man i've tried to

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like explain how an ad on a website like uh like interacted with the rest of the experience or

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like push things out of the way and he'd be like oh i don't know i didn't see it i'm like how it's

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like half the screen he's like i don't know it's actually wild i do have a threshold i might have

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actually sent you this screenshot

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a little while ago but i opened up an article where on my phone my folding phone like my giant

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phone screen there was like two lines of text that i could read and the entire rest of the thing was

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ads yeah that's bad i think i did send you that right i was like well here's an argument here's

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an argument for privateering and yeah in that case i was aware of the ads but i couldn't tell

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you what any of them were and i was like oh my god i don't know how to explain this because i

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don't know what they were for right okay all i could see was my two lines of content and i felt

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my annoyance that i had to scroll a lot mental ad blocking service was like getting overloaded

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like there's too much it's gotta be an add thing or something like like hyper focus is like is is

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apparently a thing okay and so when i'm when i'm reading i am reading and you go fast if you could

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find my grade three four teacher i had her for both years and talk to her about

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the ads and you know even i can't wait until 30 years to sit down and like check outgal

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what's her name i was like i wanna hear your commentary on the ads and research them yeah

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do you know anything about produção technology or even talking about product marketing and

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the benefits map sort of the parents going from it and like you know if i think if i

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see why this project doesn't make sense like i like this because i say to my students

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like should we do this so it'll become one short story at the end of the day but on

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the other end of the day just coming up with great stuff and incredible bookshops like

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brotherhood books to count they are so great one's ersten case by eyes and motherhood week

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that i was going to say that but i don't even remember a book you pulled out of the page

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first one a book tool and i did a third I don't remember a book tool there were all i think in the

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letter grades yeah um effort grades yeah and then maybe it was just the school i went to they're

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very thorough they would write like a page or two pages about you for every report card or maybe it

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was just me we had we had paragraphs so our report cards are similar in that way and then we had

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paragraph sections under each topic got it so for like maths or or sciences or whatever you would

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have like a paragraph for each for each one well i got a page um anyway one of the things that i

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would do in in class is and like at the time i thought i was totally getting away with it i

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thought nobody had any idea but i would sit for you know you know the desks that you have in

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elementary school right with the storage in them a bar thing and so yeah uh with like the cubby

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inside it so i would prop a book in my

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cubby

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and i would sit in class i'd kind of slouch like this and i would just read a novel

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like like all day it's not the worst off topic thing you could be doing in class no but i'd have

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no idea what's going on it's still not the worst it's not good so when there's so when there's a

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project you know and instructions have been issued uh Linus uh are you gonna go get the

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construction pay oh sorry what i would have no idea that anything else existed the only thing

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that would penetrate my consciousness was math want to know why because any time the teacher

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said something something minus something because oh i would think i heard my name goodness i'd

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realize no it's just math and i'd go back to my book

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i don't know

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you

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, that's pretty funny oh yeah so anywho i um it's definitely oh yeah twitch chat that's uh uh yeah

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hopefully Yvonne doesn't like look at this it's definitely a sore spot with my wife because when

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i'm like on my phone oh yeah i have yeah i mean you know this yep when i'm in a meeting if i get

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sidetracked for a second he's gone i start reading something how long would you say you can be talking

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before i finally acknowledge that i have not heard a word you've said and ask you to repeat

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it it's it's not that bad in my opinion but for a reason that probably won't make you that happy

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because it's not that bad because he will always interrupt you because he thinks whatever he's

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doing is probably more interesting or more important so if he's reading something he's

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probably going to want to share the information about what he's reading so so you learn pretty

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quick he's not paying attention because he's going to say something in the middle of using something

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and it's just like okay i guess we're talking about this i wouldn't start reading it if it

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wasn't really important that's questionable

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i think i think if you in that moment decide that you even if the information is important

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you just don't want it right now you will you will sidetrack yourself with whatever

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sometimes i don't want to hear it yeah so you'll be like oh you're going to read something else

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oh yeah i mean i don't claim to be the world's most attentive person

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i genuinely think that that's a huge part of my success though i wouldn't undo it for the world

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because it's one of the things that like makes it so that i can be in the middle of a conversation

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and like have an idea like it's where i actually get a lot of my inspiration from

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that i'm not really paying attention

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i'm actually thinking about something else have you in our so we weekly we have these meetings

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where i go over like what the dev teams are kind of doing and all that kind of stuff do you notice

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that i repeat stuff sometimes oh no yeah i didn't think so so i've learned i've known him for a long

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time so i will sometimes pick up on like he didn't get that at all and sometimes i will i'll make him a

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session in the moment and sometimes i'll be like once notice sometimes i'll be like you know what

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honestly that wasn't like that important i also write reports and send them out through email

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and i know he reads those so i'm like if it wasn't that important for him to know right now

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or if i don't need a response back he'll just read it later it'll be fine and sometimes i'm like no i

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actually need like what he thinks about this or his opinion on or whatever so i'll just say it

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again

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i'll wait until i'm like pretty sure you're done doing whatever you were doing and then i'll just

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fire again and i don't even bother go like so i think you might have missed this i'm just like

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whatever so the thing is like i kind of got that gen z multitasking energy but i do not have that

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gen z attentiveness energy so i am single tasking four things at once with one quarter the quality

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i think that's not it yeah and Isaiah the point is who i'm talking about he's

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at he's at gotten started Practice

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someone said i don't i lost it but they said something along the lines of like

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Luke just lets his boss ignore him it's not even that's not i don't

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think that's fair because i don't think he's ignoring you

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no i'm not he's just that's why i said he'll talk to you about it whatever it is

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he's just on a different topic now but he's he's on that topic now still with you

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so he'll bring you in and you'll go on this little adventure for a while and when he's ready to come

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back you can just go and start a conversation with him he's like oh, hey i just wanna talk about you

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just keep going it's you are not off of the adventure he's not ignoring he's just yeah

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you are welcome to go with him um oh man anyways back to uh yeah what are we supposed to be talking

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about way off of it yeah we're on youtube right spam cracked out yeah so this was a coincidence

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um oh okay hold on we do have some discussion questions how bad is comment spam in LMG's

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experience it's gotten a lot better but i have still noticed some i mean mostly breaking through

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yep i've noticed some i've noticed i'm still seeing some of the copy pasting a highly upvoted

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comment with just like a sexual profile picture stuff like that i'm still seeing a fair bit of

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that i've seen almost none of the whatsapp bots though uh message me on whatsapp with like that

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has gone a lot better yep the the one that you just

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mentioned copy pasting a highly uploaded comment that i've seen a lot more and i've seen it making

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small edits which is interesting oh that i haven't noticed but i've never gone and looked for the

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original i all i know i didn't particularly find the original i just assumed that's what it was

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doing uh but on a video fairly recently i said the control f thing the comment included my name

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and then ended up finding like a huge amount of almost identically the same comment and then

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like lewd profile photo interesting what is this and it a lot of them were exactly the same and

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then other ones would have like slight edits it feels like maybe they like kind of merge

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two comments together somewhat right or maybe they're editing off of each other or maybe that

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i don't 100 know what interesting really really really similar yeah um it definitely

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does seem like it's improved i would like to see them i think that timing out is a good middle ground

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i don't agree with everything youtube does especially around content moderation but i think

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that timeout is a good middle ground between just outright removing accounts that are perceived as

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spammy because the line between a really smart chat bot and some people is blurry indeed so i

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think that it is possible that they could actually end up banning a lot of real human accounts if

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they just banned people

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but timeout is a is a great way to dramatically reduce the effectiveness of bots yeah and give

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them time to go in and like prune these with a more hopefully manual process yeah um but also

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you know not accidentally throw out a bunch of wheat with chaff jaden and full-plane chat just

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said to be clear jaden one of the full-plane developers in full-plane chat just said gpt3

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is terrifying for spam ab-so-lutely yeah absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely

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that really is yeah i mean there could be so much more spam than i realized like a lot

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of the spam comments could be totally benign now because these accounts are building up

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a history over a long over a long period of time of leaving good comments so that it's a lot harder

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to identify them as a bot six months or 18 months down the road i mean that's one of the things

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that is um of value when it comes to

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either renting out or selling a botnet or like a fake account for whether it's a social media

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platform or YouTube or whatever else, is if you have long-term established accounts that have not

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in that time been flagged as spam accounts, they're way more valuable. That's one of the

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reasons why stealing something like an old inactive Reddit account is absolutely something

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that a spammer would want to do. And they can even target them. Subtopic. And it's a total

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coincidence that this happens to be on the same week, but I have decided to reverse something that

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has been a long-time policy for me. And the reason is pretty straightforward. Let me just see if I

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can find my thing. No, that's not it. I have an email that just I had sent.

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To a couple of people, James Wan, that should bring it up. Just kind of talking about, you know,

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what would, what would qualify as, oh, that's not the right one. Darn it. Hold on. I will find this.

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I don't know how to say it. Nobody's looking for it, so I can't help them.

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Yeah, here we go. Okay. So I have said in the past many times that when it comes to

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content moderation under videos, I'm basically kind of like, yeah, it's,

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kind of anything goes outside of, you know, really, really toxic, obvious spam, abusive

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behavior, anything like that. You know, go ahead and say whatever you want. But as I was reading

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through the comments on one of our recent videos, what I realized is that that policy has led to a

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very, very low conversation quality under the videos, if you kind of understand what I mean.

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Yep.

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And so one of the things that I've decided to start doing is just using the hide from channel

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button a lot more liberally. So here's an example of, you know, a critical take that would absolutely

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never get you hidden from the channel. So this was on the Corsair Xenon Flex video.

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I consider myself a bit of a tech enthusiast, but I just don't understand the point of these

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flex monitors. Like not in any way at all. I think it's such a total waste of resources.

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And I wouldn't even consider buying one at any point in time for any price point. If I was given

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00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:55,620
one, I'd sell it or give it away. Honestly, I don't agree with that take. That is, I can

465
00:29:55,620 --> 00:30:01,360
absolutely see the value of it at the current price. Pretty challenging. But to say that you'd

466
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,640
be given something for free and not at least give it a shot, I think is pretty closed minded. Like,

467
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:14,560
I don't agree with this comment, but it's, it's absolutely valid. An example of something that,

468
00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:20,880
that is not valid and just simply doesn't need to be under the video is this one. Linus casually

469
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:28,140
suggesting 1440p 240 Hertz and OLED at peak 700 nits is noob level tier is funny. It tells us

470
00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:36,330
where his head is. That never happened. Um, I just, I think I'm just kind of done with taking

471
00:30:36,330 --> 00:30:45,290
things I never said and being like, wow, I can't believe he said that. What I said was that none of

472
00:30:45,290 --> 00:30:56,150
its specs individually are best in class top of the line. And none of those specs are 1440p is not

473
00:30:56,150 --> 00:31:03,350
the highest resolution. 240 Hertz is not the highest refresh rate and 700 nits peak brightness

474
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:09,650
is not as bright as a monitor will get. But you said that you like pancakes. That means you hate

475
00:31:09,650 --> 00:31:15,230
waffles. Right? So what I went on to say is that, but what it is, is a really great,

476
00:31:15,290 --> 00:31:24,520
great package. And so this is one of those things that I, I think over the long term,

477
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,140
I think it's going to take a long time, but I think over the long term could have a really

478
00:31:29,140 --> 00:31:33,160
positive impact on the kind of conversations that people can have in the comments, because that's

479
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,900
another thing I've noticed is that there's a lot less of it. Now. I don't see long conversation

480
00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:42,040
threads the way that I used to like technical long conversation threads. And it's something

481
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:47,560
that I just didn't notice until I thought about it. Uh, like an, another one.

482
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:47,600
Yeah.

483
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:55,980
One thing that came up a lot on that video in particular was, um, people really upset that I

484
00:31:55,980 --> 00:32:05,980
called 1440p low res. I didn't, I said that on a 43 inch display, 1440p is low res.

485
00:32:05,980 --> 00:32:07,660
Yeah. Relativity matters.

486
00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:16,360
It is resolution is not pixel count. And so basically if it's, when it comes to,

487
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,120
well, it's not pixels per inch.

488
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:27,000
Um, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Pixels per inch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the, so, so I just,

489
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,740
I'm finding that I get a headache a lot reading YouTube comments, but I can't stop reading them.

490
00:32:31,740 --> 00:32:36,720
So I'm going to have to start just being like, no, I'm not gonna, I can't engage with that.

491
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,120
So you're still reading it though.

492
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,020
No, because when you hide it from the channel, then I just will never have to

493
00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:44,160
read anything from that person again.

494
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,740
Oh, it doesn't just hide that comment.

495
00:32:46,740 --> 00:32:47,820
Nope. It means bye-bye.

496
00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:49,140
So you're shadow banning the user.

497
00:32:49,140 --> 00:32:49,500
Yeah.

498
00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:50,100
Got it.

499
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:51,600
Yep. I think I'm, I think,

500
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,320
I'm just done. Uh, I think I just, I think I'm just not interested in reading.

501
00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:00,000
Uh, you took so much flack because you're still chilling NVIDIA and don't just own your mistake.

502
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,760
If you send spend 30 minutes chilling NVIDIA and five seconds in the end and say something

503
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,960
remote bad is still chilling NVIDIA, but now that you are serious tech channel at this point,

504
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,200
just label the channel paid by NVIDIA.

505
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:21,610
This was on our radio on 7,900 review, where if anything, we apologized for taking such a pro AMD,

506
00:33:21,730 --> 00:33:28,970
stance like i just if you don't watch the video and you just are gonna be like that i just i think

507
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:34,320
i'm done with you forever i think it's just gonna have to be like that i don't know maybe i'll maybe

508
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:41,220
i'll change my mind but i i just i i just i just can't i just can't anymore i'm tired you know

509
00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:47,800
yeah uh james asks will this be an official LMG thing the answer is no this is just gonna be a

510
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:54,900
like if i'm scrolling and i just see a just catastrophically brain dead take i'm just gonna

511
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:58,320
be like sorry i just i actually can't read what you write anymore because you might get the might

512
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:05,640
get the Linus banhammer it makes my brain hurt yeah it's the the stuff that is incredibly annoying

513
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:11,140
and we i think we've talked about this in the past is the stuff that's just like they clearly

514
00:34:11,140 --> 00:34:17,580
either like didn't actually watch it and just yeah reacted before watching the content or they're

515
00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:18,100
taking stuff and they're like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm

516
00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:28,280
like you saying oh on this massive screen this is a low resolution as just completely out of context

517
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:34,340
chopping off the on this massive screen part and then going after it like it's not it's not good

518
00:34:34,340 --> 00:34:39,140
it's not good conversation yeah i don't know it is it is a little tough though and i do like that

519
00:34:39,140 --> 00:34:45,340
you're not making it like an LMG rule yeah because i think that would be a hard thing to manage across

520
00:34:45,340 --> 00:34:48,080
a team of people and just oh for sure without a bit of time yeah i think that would be a hard thing

521
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:49,200
yeah because i think that would be a hard thing to manage across a team of people and just oh for sure

522
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,720
yeah well everyone technically has the ability i actually can't prevent anyone with access to the

523
00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:58,480
channel from like shadow banning someone i i don't think the management tools are that granular at

524
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,640
least not since i've looked at them uh but it's just you know it's the kind of thing that i just

525
00:35:05,250 --> 00:35:10,250
i i i don't i don't know maybe i mean maybe the right answer is something else entirely

526
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:16,370
like okay one of the things that i've pitched to youtube multiple times and i would love to

527
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:22,770
be a feature is the ability to respond to a comment that i'm reading with a short like one

528
00:35:22,770 --> 00:35:29,570
of the one of the comments that came up a lot on the xenon flex video is people misunderstanding

529
00:35:29,570 --> 00:35:35,890
what i meant by low resolution for the size uh and and some people seemed genuinely like

530
00:35:35,890 --> 00:35:42,930
really upset really upset that i was attacking their 1080p monitor and like like treating them

531
00:35:42,930 --> 00:35:47,090
like they were poor and worthless or something because they had a 1080p monitor and this one

532
00:35:47,090 --> 00:35:57,440
was 1440p and i'm sitting here going no i said it was low but but before the size your monitor

533
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:04,800
your 1080p like 22 inch monitor or 24 inch monitor or even 27 inch monitor is actually

534
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,920
higher pixel density than this thing i have a 27 inch 1440p monitor it's great i don't want

535
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,620
anything bigger i think for the screen size it's good but the problem is that

536
00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:18,740
at 43 inches yeah then i would want something more it's a different story

537
00:36:19,540 --> 00:36:27,860
and so if you're not going to listen to what i'm saying at all i i i i i i don't know but

538
00:36:27,860 --> 00:36:32,340
but that could easily be a misunderstanding so the way that i would love to respond to

539
00:36:32,340 --> 00:36:38,850
something like that is with a short hey i'm seeing this comment a lot i'd like to clarify

540
00:36:38,850 --> 00:36:43,010
what i meant because i think there's a misinterpretation where people are thinking

541
00:36:43,010 --> 00:36:44,050
resolution equals the size of the monitor or the size of the monitor or the size of the monitor

542
00:36:44,050 --> 00:36:51,410
equals pixel count but resolution is actually the resolving the res the the the resolute how

543
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:57,410
the eye can resolve the image like it's that that's where resolution comes from we're talking

544
00:36:57,410 --> 00:37:05,650
about the the clarity and clarity is affected by a lot more than pixel count 1080p could be

545
00:37:05,650 --> 00:37:14,600
incredibly clear on a display this size that would be like mind-blowing like you could get this close

546
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:21,320
you'd be like wow this is sharp right we keep on you keep saying pixel count um but pixels per inch

547
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:27,560
no no pixel count is 1920 by 1080. yeah but you that's a pixel count resolution is not pixel count

548
00:37:29,060 --> 00:37:34,020
it's not pixel count okay so pixels per inch is not a count of pixels

549
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:40,870
that's that's a count of pixels per distance no i know oh okay but you're saying resolution

550
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:44,550
is not pixel count and i understand what you're saying with the clarity thing okay but if you look

551
00:37:45,750 --> 00:38:13,330
at the output the кожwagon is not pixel count so par

552
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:15,250
the resolution is actually the dollars box

553
00:38:15,250 --> 00:38:15,330
which is who's telling the people and that's when the realm really became start to signal a lot of resolutions this got past like still have reviews on Facebook and Facebook nearuh I feel like kind of the more i think that has happened mostly with that resolution colon this yes and that's something where this yes and that's something where that's the industry has failed consumers yeah i'm just the reason why i'm just the reason i keep saying it is because people are gonna there's people saying yeah people are going to misinterpret that no resolution is not pixel count resolution is a function of pixel count display size and viewing distance stick how pixel hyan

554
00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:23,590
The word resolution to describe pixel count is because it was a much easier way to market it

555
00:38:23,590 --> 00:38:29,230
That's why this is one of those areas where product marketing and has utterly

556
00:38:29,810 --> 00:38:31,890
failed consumers because

557
00:38:32,610 --> 00:38:39,790
By focusing on pixel count and that's the reason that I'm framing it that way then by focusing on the number of pixels

558
00:38:39,890 --> 00:38:41,890
you are actually and

559
00:38:41,890 --> 00:38:46,910
Doing a complete disservice to the user because you are not telling them the useful information

560
00:38:47,830 --> 00:38:54,650
that's one of the reasons that Apple in my opinion wisely stayed out of the

561
00:38:55,770 --> 00:39:01,170
Resolution race when it came to phone displays because pixel count is what matters

562
00:39:01,930 --> 00:39:03,930
excuse me pixel count because

563
00:39:04,450 --> 00:39:11,730
It's because what matters is a combination of the pixel count the size of the display and the

564
00:39:11,890 --> 00:39:16,910
Intended viewing distance as long as those three things are balanced

565
00:39:17,860 --> 00:39:24,440
You don't actually need any more. And so in the same way that a 1080p projector at

566
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,320
You know a hundred and twenty inches is going to look like garbage

567
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:33,300
a 4k projector

568
00:39:33,940 --> 00:39:36,720
actually, okay, so 4k is a really interesting one because

569
00:39:38,210 --> 00:39:42,410
Then you start getting into how much of your field of view should actually be

570
00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:46,030
Occupied by content and so the bigger you make the image

571
00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:52,870
The farther away you have to sit right and so going beyond 4k actually may not matter in any context

572
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:55,750
But at but at lower resolution the further you get away from the screen

573
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:59,250
Exactly. So because of that distance function

574
00:40:00,030 --> 00:40:04,450
Going higher than 4k can almost never matter like you can sit close enough to an 8k TV

575
00:40:04,450 --> 00:40:07,710
But you can make out the difference between 8k and 4k

576
00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:12,490
But you're sitting it's taking up so much

577
00:40:12,490 --> 00:40:16,810
Of your field of view that the content is not really designed to be enjoyed that way

578
00:40:18,110 --> 00:40:24,410
Like you you're like you're gonna miss details because you're I think it's only like 4 degrees or 8 degree

579
00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:30,750
I forget I forget how much of your field of vision is actually sharp and your peripheral vision is not

580
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:37,250
So by sitting too close to the content you actually reduce the amount of the content that you can see clearly

581
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:42,560
No matter what the resolution of the display is and by resolution

582
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,800
I do mean the relative pixel count compared to the

583
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:50,570
display size

584
00:40:50,570 --> 00:40:54,810
Someone a full plane chat said what you're describing is optical resolution versus image resolution

585
00:40:54,810 --> 00:41:01,830
Yes, but they're closely related and there's still confusion there as well. If you google image resolution the first result from

586
00:41:02,450 --> 00:41:03,590
I

587
00:41:03,590 --> 00:41:10,390
Don't know what university this is, but it's some edu website is image resolution is typically described in PPI

588
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:14,080
In printing it is okay

589
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:21,360
So isn't that interest that would make a lot more sense isn't that interesting so we actually do use pixels per inch

590
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,360
So we did it we did it right first

591
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,140
right

592
00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:27,860
But we didn't because digital cameras

593
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:33,020
Which were really coming up right around the time of photo printers

594
00:41:34,490 --> 00:41:35,710
also

595
00:41:35,710 --> 00:41:42,690
We're measured in pixels instead of pixels per inch rip because it's the only way to really

596
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,420
to conveniently

597
00:41:45,420 --> 00:41:49,540
Say, you know how how fine the image is

598
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,700
right

599
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:55,820
Because the reason we use pixels per inch for print is because we know

600
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:59,490
What the scale is going to be?

601
00:42:00,230 --> 00:42:08,010
But digitally we don't that two megapixel picture could be this big it could be this big so the actual

602
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:09,930
resolution of it

603
00:42:09,930 --> 00:42:16,510
Could be completely different but the pixel count will that we can convey I know

604
00:42:16,770 --> 00:42:22,770
It's really complicated and I don't I don't know how to fix it. I don't think you necessarily can

605
00:42:23,310 --> 00:42:27,300
So so yeah, that it's frustrating

606
00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:28,760
um

607
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,480
Anyhoo

608
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,380
Why don't we talk about tick-tock taking on YouTube with?

609
00:42:34,140 --> 00:42:35,220
experimental

610
00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:36,940
get this

611
00:42:36,940 --> 00:42:39,200
landscape video

612
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:45,640
Yeah, what I find kind of funny about the little thumbnail that we have here is that it's it's still not the full screen

613
00:42:45,740 --> 00:42:47,140
Which I find kind of interesting

614
00:42:47,140 --> 00:42:48,280
I don't know if that's because of how the person called me it's like is it like though is it?

615
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:55,160
of how the person filmed it or what um but yeah it's still only part of the screen which is

616
00:42:55,160 --> 00:43:01,290
interesting so this is a duet it's actually two vertical videos yeah but you can do that when it's

617
00:43:02,010 --> 00:43:09,680
oh is that why because they can't horizontally expand their currently vertical content oh that's

618
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,560
weird i don't know anyways yeah uh the feature marks uh another way that tick tock is competing

619
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:20,000
with youtube particularly in terms of attracting longer form video creators and increasing the max

620
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,120
video length to 10 minutes back in february we talked about that as well yeah i somewhat

621
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,760
questioned the attracting longer form video creators i mean i'm sure it will happen uh but

622
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:37,200
i have seen a bunch of stuff about monetization on tick tock and unless you're getting them sponsors

623
00:43:38,670 --> 00:43:44,670
it's quite lacking yeah that's pretty tough i think that they're i mean obviously they're

624
00:43:44,670 --> 00:43:44,730
not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're

625
00:43:44,730 --> 00:43:51,130
not going to be able to attract long-form horizontal video creators without allowing

626
00:43:51,130 --> 00:43:55,130
long-form videos that are horizontal well theoretically they do that now

627
00:43:55,850 --> 00:44:01,210
but they're also not going to be able to attract long-form creators if they don't

628
00:44:01,210 --> 00:44:05,210
implement some kind of reasonable revenue split i mean it'll it'll have to still be

629
00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:10,410
in the funnel model right where you use things like tick tock to gain followers and fans and

630
00:44:10,410 --> 00:44:14,650
then you funnel them elsewhere so that you can gain monetization from them or else

631
00:44:14,650 --> 00:44:19,930
you won't be able to fund doing what you're trying to do um people sometimes talk about

632
00:44:19,930 --> 00:44:22,890
the funnel model when you talk about twitch because like if you start on twitch you're

633
00:44:22,890 --> 00:44:27,370
basically going to gain no one new until you're really really big so you have to funnel people

634
00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:34,700
into there eventually um yeah yeah i'm trying to think of like what it would take for me to

635
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:40,940
start uploading our long form content on tick tock and the question isn't really could we do

636
00:44:40,940 --> 00:44:45,180
it yeah of course of course we could like well as long as it's under 10 minutes yeah it could be

637
00:44:45,180 --> 00:44:53,420
it could be fairly easily integrated into our workflow but why yeah why would we do it yeah

638
00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:58,060
i guess is the question and i honestly this is a question that comes up a lot for me

639
00:44:58,780 --> 00:45:05,900
why exactly is it that every social and online video platform feels the need

640
00:45:07,530 --> 00:45:16,170
to just copy each other and become each other i kind of and this is this is probably just me

641
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:23,370
like old man yells at cloud you know like why does youtube need a a competitor for tick tock

642
00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:29,050
why does it need these you know 30 second to one minute videos why can't youtube be youtube

643
00:45:29,050 --> 00:45:35,210
and tick tock be tick tock and everyone is just fine with youtube being youtube and tick tock

644
00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:40,970
being tick tock i do kind of wish platforms focused a little bit less on feature chasing

645
00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:46,090
and a little bit more on like not being crap like we had a problem with teams the other day

646
00:45:46,090 --> 00:45:46,330
yeah

647
00:45:47,050 --> 00:45:53,690
the other day being i think yesterday no wait yeah yesterday um and it's just coming off of

648
00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:58,570
that i'm just like man like i wish we could have used msn because it was more stable like i would

649
00:45:58,570 --> 00:46:04,570
have expected everything we did pretty much to have worked on msn better than it did on teams

650
00:46:04,570 --> 00:46:10,090
and that's crazy it's made by the same company but it's like two decades newer you'd think it

651
00:46:10,090 --> 00:46:15,850
would be better and obviously in some ways it is i'm not that stupid but like it's just it's so

652
00:46:15,850 --> 00:46:23,290
in unstable it's one of those things where i mean even stability aside what identity does a platform

653
00:46:23,290 --> 00:46:29,260
have anymore yeah like i as someone who hasn't used facebook in quite some time other than to

654
00:46:29,820 --> 00:46:36,620
occasionally get like a messenger chat from someone that i know that manes messenger um i

655
00:46:36,620 --> 00:46:43,820
don't really understand what facebook's identity is anymore because they kind of have everything

656
00:46:43,820 --> 00:46:45,820
and i feel the same way about youtube's

657
00:46:45,980 --> 00:46:51,300
these days. What exactly is it that I go on to YouTube for? I mean, I understand what YouTube

658
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:58,100
wants me to do. They just want me to spend as much time as possible in their app. But beyond that,

659
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:05,060
what is your identity? What is your elevator pitch for, pretend I'm a completely new user.

660
00:47:05,140 --> 00:47:10,480
I've never seen your platform before. I am choosing a video platform that I am going to

661
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:17,440
watch videos on. What's your pitch? Well, we've got this and we've got this and we've got this

662
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:23,820
and we've got this. And I'm like, okay, but right. But this elevator ride ended a while ago. Yeah.

663
00:47:23,820 --> 00:47:30,200
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like YouTube out of all the ones that you mentioned almost

664
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:37,180
feels like it's the most focused. Sort of. I mean, not as much these days. Stories was a super weird

665
00:47:37,180 --> 00:47:42,860
detour that has gotten basically no development since they launched it. You know, I've been saying

666
00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:43,020
for a long time, I've been saying, I've been saying, I've been saying, I've been saying, I've

667
00:47:43,020 --> 00:47:47,440
been saying for like two years now or something like that. I don't know, a long time. I've been

668
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,340
saying for a long time, like, hey, I understand that short form video is not going anywhere,

669
00:47:51,340 --> 00:47:57,680
but I couldn't help noticing that shorts and stories are extremely disjointed.

670
00:47:59,290 --> 00:48:01,590
Like why? I thought those were the same thing.

671
00:48:01,790 --> 00:48:07,870
No. What is, what are they? Stories is the competitor for Instagram stories, which are,

672
00:48:08,330 --> 00:48:13,130
what's the word? Ethereal, ephemeral, whatever. They're non-persistent.

673
00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:13,570
Yeah. Yeah.

674
00:48:13,570 --> 00:48:18,570
Um, ephemeral, I believe is the word. So non-persistent videos that are meant to be just

675
00:48:18,570 --> 00:48:23,350
like a, like a casual update. Hi, this is definitely not totally rehearsed. And this

676
00:48:23,350 --> 00:48:29,030
is absolutely the first time I recorded it. Let me just do this perfectly, uh, timed camera movement.

677
00:48:29,250 --> 00:48:36,350
Bye. Uh, so that's a story, right? And then a short can be edited. You can put stickers on it.

678
00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:42,310
It might have music or dancing or whatever else, but it's just a short form VOD effectively.

679
00:48:42,310 --> 00:48:49,750
So stories are, so it's supposed to go in, in order of spontaneity from live to stories,

680
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:56,810
to shorts, to VOD, right? So it kind of sits in between live and, and shorts.

681
00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:59,050
Okay. Uh, I didn't even know it existed.

682
00:48:59,410 --> 00:49:04,070
Yeah. There are some cool things about it. One thing that's really neat is that you can reply

683
00:49:04,070 --> 00:49:10,720
to a comment on a story with a story. So if you upload a story, that's like, hey, I'm here in my

684
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:12,200
garage. I just wanted to share this story with you. And then you can upload a story that's like,

685
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,260
I'm here in my garage. I just wanted to share some knowledge with you. And someone were to ask,

686
00:49:15,580 --> 00:49:20,060
hey, what's the best knowledge you have in your garage? You could pull some knowledge out of it

687
00:49:20,060 --> 00:49:25,140
and be like, this is my favorite knowledge. And that story would have a, uh, it would actually

688
00:49:25,140 --> 00:49:29,580
have the comment, like the original comment. And so you just reply to it directly. You don't have

689
00:49:29,580 --> 00:49:34,800
to say, hey, someone asked me what my favorite knowledge is. And this is it. And that's the

690
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,840
ephemeral content. Yeah. So it goes up for a little while and then it just like goes away.

691
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,240
And it actually like got a lot of views. I don't know.

692
00:49:42,260 --> 00:49:46,320
I don't know what those view numbers meant. I don't know what percentage of the video they

693
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,280
watched or, or whatever else, but. Jaden said like YouTube video replies from 15 years ago.

694
00:49:51,420 --> 00:49:57,600
I know. Right. Yeah. And I think there's a lot of room for, for development there. Like they

695
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:03,040
could have taken stories and turned it into a cameo like feature, for example, that could have

696
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:09,180
been extremely powerful for creator monetization. I, I pitched something earlier. I would love to

697
00:50:09,180 --> 00:50:11,860
be able to reply to like a highly uploaded story. I would love to be able to reply to like a highly

698
00:50:12,260 --> 00:50:21,530
uploaded video comment with a story. They should take something from OnlyFans and do paid requests.

699
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:28,540
Uh, paid requests. Oh, oh, where you just send a message to the creator. Well, I, is that,

700
00:50:28,660 --> 00:50:33,520
is that that different from cameo? I don't know how it actually works. Okay. Cameo is you,

701
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,160
you. I don't know how it works on either. So on cameo, you set a price and it's like,

702
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:43,580
you know, $20 or $200. Like it's kind of all over the place and people will basically send

703
00:50:43,580 --> 00:50:49,460
you a request. Hey, can you wish Jeremy happy birthday? He likes tigers, you know, or whatever.

704
00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:54,400
And then they'll record it and fire it over to you. Okay. So is that kind of what. I don't know

705
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,300
how it works. So it might be exactly the same. Yeah. I think it's, I think it's fairly similar.

706
00:50:59,460 --> 00:51:05,940
Okay. Yeah. But I know you can like ask for something and say that you'll, I think you can,

707
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:11,220
I don't, I genuinely don't. That's why I don't know how it works. Whatever. Stop it. Uh, I think

708
00:51:11,220 --> 00:51:17,240
you can ask for something custom. Like say you wanted, um, pictures of something. You could ask

709
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:21,020
for it and say, you'll pay a certain amount, right? So if you could do that on YouTube,

710
00:51:21,020 --> 00:51:25,840
if you could ask a YouTube creator for a video of something and say, you'd pay a certain amount,

711
00:51:25,980 --> 00:51:29,480
that could be an interesting monetization. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I mean,

712
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:34,900
another thing too, is that one of the, I would admit it if I used it, it's not that weird.

713
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,940
One of the things that YouTube is not shy about pushing is channel memberships.

714
00:51:40,340 --> 00:51:40,860
So,

715
00:51:41,220 --> 00:51:47,340
There's Super Thanks, I believe, is a way that you can boost a comment under a video.

716
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,540
Members are supposed to get some kind of priority NVIDIA comments.

717
00:51:53,140 --> 00:51:53,560
Oh, okay.

718
00:51:53,980 --> 00:52:03,440
I would see replying to a channel member with a story as a way that you could incentivize people to sign up and become members of the channel.

719
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:08,960
And because we have Floatplane, it's not something that you'd be likely to see us do a ton of.

720
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:17,920
But if I was a niche creator, a smaller creator, or even a larger one who was completely YouTube-focused, I could see stuff like that being extremely powerful.

721
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:31,340
But, hey, I'm not in charge of YouTube, obviously, so I guess they'll just keep not developing meaningful ways for creators to interact with their viewers, and that'll be great.

722
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:34,150
Yeah, pretty much.

723
00:52:34,410 --> 00:52:34,770
Neat.

724
00:52:35,490 --> 00:52:37,770
As for TikTok, I just...

725
00:52:38,820 --> 00:52:40,380
I don't know.

726
00:52:40,620 --> 00:52:41,580
I just don't...

727
00:52:41,580 --> 00:52:42,200
I wish it would die.

728
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:43,720
It won't, though.

729
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:44,200
I know.

730
00:52:44,580 --> 00:52:50,980
They apparently now outrank YouTube for average minutes per day spent by people ages 4 to 18.

731
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,860
Who is putting their 4-year-old on TikTok?

732
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,880
That was my biggest reaction to that, was that you started with 4.

733
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:02,200
Whoa.

734
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:04,440
Wow.

735
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,240
True Scott asks, would you take the CEO job for YouTube if they offered it to you?

736
00:53:12,050 --> 00:53:13,150
How do I put this?

737
00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:14,990
I don't think they can afford me.

738
00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:18,530
We...

739
00:53:18,530 --> 00:53:20,390
I think this is going to be the year, Luke.

740
00:53:21,070 --> 00:53:26,770
I think this is going to be the year that LTT Store revenue eclipses video production revenue.

741
00:53:28,090 --> 00:53:29,470
They've dropped some bangers.

742
00:53:29,550 --> 00:53:32,150
We also did, I think, Backpack and Screwdriver this year.

743
00:53:32,190 --> 00:53:32,570
We did.

744
00:53:32,730 --> 00:53:33,010
Yeah.

745
00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:33,850
Well, don't worry.

746
00:53:33,950 --> 00:53:35,370
There's bangers coming next year, too.

747
00:53:35,470 --> 00:53:35,730
Yeah.

748
00:53:36,270 --> 00:53:39,290
I'm almost ready to start teasing some pretty cool stuff.

749
00:53:39,550 --> 00:53:40,690
One of them was in a video.

750
00:53:41,170 --> 00:53:41,570
Oh, what?

751
00:53:41,770 --> 00:53:42,010
Yeah.

752
00:53:42,110 --> 00:53:42,530
What was it?

753
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:43,590
I think it got reported.

754
00:53:44,330 --> 00:53:45,010
What was it?

755
00:53:45,410 --> 00:53:46,090
Just tell me.

756
00:53:46,730 --> 00:53:47,090
Well.

757
00:53:47,830 --> 00:53:48,370
I'm ready.

758
00:53:48,810 --> 00:53:49,490
It was in a video?

759
00:53:49,610 --> 00:53:50,610
Do you know what I'm talking about?

760
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:50,990
No.

761
00:53:51,820 --> 00:53:53,880
Well, I don't know how many people noticed it was there.

762
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:55,060
I don't know if I want to say anything.

763
00:53:55,180 --> 00:53:56,100
Oh, did we remove it?

764
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:57,460
I don't know, to be honest.

765
00:53:59,910 --> 00:54:00,910
I say go for it.

766
00:54:01,190 --> 00:54:02,210
You put the thing in the thing?

767
00:54:02,310 --> 00:54:03,010
I'll say it that way.

768
00:54:03,610 --> 00:54:03,870
What?

769
00:54:04,250 --> 00:54:05,070
Oh, the shape sorter.

770
00:54:05,070 --> 00:54:05,330
Yeah.

771
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:06,010
Oh, yeah, yeah.

772
00:54:06,010 --> 00:54:06,450
That's fine.

773
00:54:06,570 --> 00:54:06,830
Okay.

774
00:54:06,890 --> 00:54:07,730
We can talk about the shape sorter.

775
00:54:08,010 --> 00:54:08,390
No, no.

776
00:54:08,410 --> 00:54:09,390
That's not going to be a banger.

777
00:54:09,930 --> 00:54:10,130
No.

778
00:54:10,330 --> 00:54:10,530
Yeah.

779
00:54:10,530 --> 00:54:11,610
That's a new product.

780
00:54:11,730 --> 00:54:11,850
Yeah.

781
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:15,230
We'll sell some and babies will play with them and it'll be cute.

782
00:54:15,450 --> 00:54:15,610
Yeah.

783
00:54:15,630 --> 00:54:16,270
But no, no.

784
00:54:18,010 --> 00:54:19,590
We're getting products actually.

785
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:20,030
I know.

786
00:54:20,090 --> 00:54:20,330
I know.

787
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:20,770
Sorry.

788
00:54:20,990 --> 00:54:25,190
I know a lot of people that are getting the like baby stuff this year for Christmas off

789
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:25,510
the store.

790
00:54:25,770 --> 00:54:30,770
Like a lot of people our age know people that have small babies.

791
00:54:31,130 --> 00:54:31,330
Yeah.

792
00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:36,530
And a lot of them that I know have casually mentioned, oh, yeah, by the way, I'm getting

793
00:54:36,530 --> 00:54:38,830
like one of the books in a plushie or whatever else.

794
00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:40,350
And I'm like, all right.

795
00:54:41,130 --> 00:54:44,070
Sales have been very good of the book and plushies lately.

796
00:54:45,470 --> 00:54:45,870
No.

797
00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:46,990
One of the things we have coming.

798
00:54:46,990 --> 00:54:53,090
I already teased to Lauren from Tasty PC, a shorty version of the screwdriver short.

799
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:54,850
Oh, only six bits.

800
00:54:55,350 --> 00:54:56,710
And it's like this long.

801
00:54:57,290 --> 00:55:02,410
So it's meant to be kind of like palmed, but it still has the full, full fat ratchet mechanism

802
00:55:02,410 --> 00:55:06,610
and still has the magnetic retention for the bits in the shaft.

803
00:55:06,650 --> 00:55:08,010
Shaft is way shorter as well.

804
00:55:08,250 --> 00:55:08,690
Way shorter.

805
00:55:08,910 --> 00:55:11,310
And then handles going to be like super short.

806
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:14,910
Like, like basically the whole, the whole thing end to end is about this long.

807
00:55:15,130 --> 00:55:15,310
Oh, wow.

808
00:55:15,350 --> 00:55:15,570
Okay.

809
00:55:15,570 --> 00:55:15,850
Yeah.

810
00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:16,970
So we're working on a shorty.

811
00:55:16,990 --> 00:55:17,950
So we're working on a shorty version of the screwdriver.

812
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:27,840
There's, there's some potential leaks, which you can maybe go off of because it talks about

813
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:28,600
us hiring.

814
00:55:29,140 --> 00:55:32,620
Also, we're looking for an electronics engineer and then it lists a bunch of things.

815
00:55:33,020 --> 00:55:34,040
Do we want to say all of these?

816
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:34,140
Oh, yeah.

817
00:55:34,180 --> 00:55:35,240
Why don't we talk about that?

818
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:41,520
Yeah, we, we haven't got a ton of applications, just having the electronics engineer position

819
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:42,320
up on the site.

820
00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:45,760
So we're, we're, we're shouting it out on the WAN Show, guys.

821
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,940
Here are some examples of projects you will be working.

822
00:55:48,980 --> 00:55:53,000
On if you join our engineering team, potentially, um, a mouse.

823
00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:55,640
I don't think we've ever talked about that before.

824
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,480
I don't think so, but it's been on the dog that has been in development for over a year.

825
00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:03,880
Uh, we actually have some pretty good ideas for how to differentiate.

826
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,380
Like that's my, that's my whole thing.

827
00:56:05,740 --> 00:56:09,360
If we're not adding anything to the conversation, why are we doing this?

828
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,520
I promise you we will be adding something to the conversation.

829
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,540
Um, the gamer battery bank slash shoe dryer.

830
00:56:17,140 --> 00:56:18,840
Um, the reason it has.

831
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,080
The reason it has shoe dryer on the case, stop, be nice.

832
00:56:22,980 --> 00:56:28,380
The reason it has shoe dryer on there is because that was the original reason that I wanted it.

833
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:34,800
I just wanted something that you can like throw in your realistically, not in your shoe, but actually just like in your bag.

834
00:56:35,220 --> 00:56:36,480
Uh, have I talked to you about it before?

835
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:36,900
Yeah.

836
00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:37,440
Oh, okay.

837
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:43,640
So the idea is it's something you can just huck in your bag and it'll run for like eight hours and having Kyle tested it.

838
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,080
And he was like, you're right.

839
00:56:46,980 --> 00:56:48,040
He was like, not happy.

840
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:48,740
He was like, what?

841
00:56:48,740 --> 00:56:48,980
Tiny little fan.

842
00:56:48,980 --> 00:56:49,240
Like that.

843
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:50,200
I can't make that much of a difference.

844
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,080
I was like, no, no, even a little bit of airflow is like huge.

845
00:56:53,260 --> 00:57:06,700
And so over eight hours, uh, how quickly a bet of just like a, a gym bag would dry out compared to if it didn't have even that tiny amount of airflow in it was like, it was a colossal difference.

846
00:57:06,700 --> 00:57:08,640
It was like half the time or something like that.

847
00:57:08,980 --> 00:57:15,400
And when it comes to preventing bacteria growth and therefore smell, the faster you can dry something out, the better.

848
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:16,620
You don't want it to just sit there.

849
00:57:16,620 --> 00:57:17,860
Damp anyway.

850
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:19,020
The shoe.

851
00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:29,280
Dryer may or may not ever come to life, but a lot of the work that we did on the shoe dryer is going to be absolutely reusable for the gamer battery bank.

852
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,780
What makes a battery bank gamer?

853
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:36,480
I will get back to you on that one, but there, that we, we have a clear differentiating value add there.

854
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:37,980
And I'm really, really excited about it.

855
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,680
Uh, another one, the RGB doormat.

856
00:57:40,980 --> 00:57:41,220
Okay.

857
00:57:41,220 --> 00:57:44,640
This one has been under, this one's been in development for almost two years.

858
00:57:45,060 --> 00:57:47,300
It's just been stalled by screwdriver.

859
00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:48,720
So much of the pipeline has been.

860
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:50,400
Stalled by screwdriver.

861
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:50,900
That makes sense.

862
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:55,680
Uh, cause Kyle was working on this one and he pivoted full-time to screwdriver.

863
00:57:56,220 --> 00:57:58,980
Um, we are working on cables.

864
00:57:58,980 --> 00:58:01,440
Um, I want a battery tester.

865
00:58:02,020 --> 00:58:02,440
Okay.

866
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:07,560
You know, those things you can buy for like four bucks and it just has like a little pinchy thing and you put your battery in it.

867
00:58:07,900 --> 00:58:08,720
They suck.

868
00:58:09,020 --> 00:58:09,640
Yeah.

869
00:58:10,140 --> 00:58:19,040
They, even when they work, they barely work and I hate them and you can go get a multimeter and like, you know, or like.

870
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,160
Create yourself a little jig to put your batteries in and hook the multimeter up to that or whatever.

871
00:58:23,580 --> 00:58:29,160
But I want more, I want way more than just how many volts I'm getting out of the battery.

872
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:38,400
I want a product that will do a discharge and recharge cycle and tell me how much capacity is left in a rechargeable battery.

873
00:58:38,780 --> 00:58:44,860
So obviously I want to be able to quickly test disposables and go, okay, which ones go in the bin, which ones go in the other, more different bin.

874
00:58:45,740 --> 00:58:49,240
But this is a problem that I can't be the only one who has.

875
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:59,120
It's like, I have rechargeable batteries that are like 15 years old because I'm smart and I buy rechargeable batteries and use them for a very, very long time.

876
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,420
But how good is that one?

877
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:11,420
Should that one be, should I be marking that one as like, you know, TV remote duty only, or could I potentially still use it in a hydro device?

878
00:59:11,420 --> 00:59:13,480
Has it not been cycled that many times?

879
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:14,180
I don't know.

880
00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:19,480
And so I want a device that will tell me the remaining capacity of the battery.

881
00:59:20,100 --> 00:59:23,520
I, man, I'd be so excited to have that product.

882
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:24,760
And I think a lot of people would.

883
00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:32,760
Um, there is one that exists that we found, but it's like $400 and I'm looking at it going, well, that's not reasonable.

884
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:33,180
Right.

885
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:34,380
I think we can do better.

886
00:59:35,020 --> 00:59:42,380
Um, we want to do like wireless charging pucks and desk accessories, um, extended PC access.

887
00:59:42,380 --> 00:59:45,920
So this is, this would, man, are we really disclosing all of this?

888
00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:46,520
Okay.

889
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:47,720
It's in the DAW.

890
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,600
I was stunned when I read this for the show.

891
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:49,680
Okay.

892
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,260
I was like, okay.

893
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:52,340
Uh, okay.

894
00:59:52,340 --> 00:59:52,800
You know what?

895
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,380
I'm not going to say any more.

896
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:55,020
All right.

897
00:59:55,380 --> 00:59:56,480
Uh, cool.

898
00:59:59,320 --> 00:59:59,560
Okay.

899
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:00,320
This one's funny.

900
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,020
I don't think this came from me.

901
01:00:02,140 --> 01:00:04,820
An RGB tissue box for the haters.

902
01:00:06,780 --> 01:00:07,480
I have no idea.

903
01:00:08,020 --> 01:00:09,560
Uh, anyway, cool.

904
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:15,440
So those are some of the things that we, that we want to work on slash have been working on for quite some time.

905
01:00:15,740 --> 01:00:18,640
Hopefully they all come to life and are huge successes.

906
01:00:18,820 --> 01:00:20,560
We're going to have some stuff at CES, by the way.

907
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:20,820
Did you know that?

908
01:00:20,820 --> 01:00:25,400
Creator Warehouse is going to CES and they're going to be unveiling some stuff.

909
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:27,200
I didn't know they're going to be unveiling stuff.

910
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:27,440
Yeah.

911
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:27,620
Yeah.

912
01:00:27,620 --> 01:00:29,200
They're going to be, they're going to be showing stuff there.

913
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:29,620
That's cool.

914
01:00:29,620 --> 01:00:30,480
Which is pretty cool.

915
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,060
I think they're also trying to recruit other creators.

916
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:41,240
Uh, there's a creator that, um, we actually, I was talking with recently that I was like, Hey, like, do you guys want to do a screwdriver?

917
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:45,120
All you gotta do is redo one mold like that.

918
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:50,700
We intentionally only put our branding on one small mold with the idea.

919
01:00:50,700 --> 01:01:03,320
Being that if anyone else wanted to brand our screwdriver, all they would have to do is redo that one mold and then boom, we could produce whoever tech tips is screwdrivers.

920
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,150
Um, I think that would be like super cool.

921
01:01:07,150 --> 01:01:11,150
Making, making the, making screwing better one driver at a time.

922
01:01:15,810 --> 01:01:16,350
Oh boy.

923
01:01:17,150 --> 01:01:21,570
Oh, in other creator merch news, I got Ludwig's bidet.

924
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:22,770
Oh, okay.

925
01:01:23,310 --> 01:01:23,910
I.

926
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:32,110
Haven't installed it yet because in North America, it is actually not that typical to have a power outlet right next to your toilet.

927
01:01:32,690 --> 01:01:36,850
Um, so there, well, yeah, but like, really?

928
01:01:38,110 --> 01:01:38,610
That's what I did.

929
01:01:38,850 --> 01:01:39,390
Yeah.

930
01:01:40,110 --> 01:01:40,450
Okay.

931
01:01:40,450 --> 01:01:40,770
Great.

932
01:01:40,770 --> 01:01:44,030
But yeah, like I, I don't want, I mean, it's routed.

933
01:01:44,110 --> 01:01:47,030
I don't know where the plug in your place would be.

934
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:48,950
Well, it was in a completely separate room.

935
01:01:48,990 --> 01:01:50,610
Oh, that's a lot worse.

936
01:01:50,610 --> 01:01:53,390
Like the, the main, the main bedroom on suite.

937
01:01:54,340 --> 01:01:56,920
Um, has a, like a little like toilet room in it.

938
01:01:57,380 --> 01:01:59,800
Oh, that room does not have a plug in it.

939
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:00,260
Okay.

940
01:02:00,260 --> 01:02:07,380
And so the nearest outlet was you go out of that room across like my entire vanity and then like it's over here.

941
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,880
So basically it would be going like across my countertop.

942
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:11,300
Yeah.

943
01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:12,300
Into that room.

944
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:12,460
Yeah.

945
01:02:12,460 --> 01:02:12,960
It's not good.

946
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,300
And that's how you can go through a doorway.

947
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:16,500
It's like, yeah, that's not that cool.

948
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:16,840
Yeah.

949
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:24,220
So I had, uh, I had the very talented electricians who worked on our place come out and put in an outlet.

950
01:02:24,220 --> 01:02:26,800
For me, uh, next to, next to the toilet.

951
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:28,600
And I'm going to be installing it this weekend.

952
01:02:29,630 --> 01:02:32,670
My butt will be the cleanest it's been since our trip to Japan.

953
01:02:33,310 --> 01:02:41,510
It was, it was mind, mind opening, um, seeing like the Japanese standard for toilets.

954
01:02:42,130 --> 01:02:52,210
Like when we were over there, uh, I don't think you went with me to this, like one place that I went, but there was a long car ride that I had to be on for some reason.

955
01:02:52,210 --> 01:02:53,890
It was like three hours or something like that.

956
01:02:54,090 --> 01:02:54,350
Yeah.

957
01:02:54,510 --> 01:02:57,130
I needed to stop to use the washroom on the way.

958
01:02:57,130 --> 01:03:03,720
The driver didn't speak a lick of English, uh, but I managed to gesture like, you know, and he, he figured it out.

959
01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:11,180
And anyway, we pull over at this like essentially truck stop and it had a toilet in it.

960
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:16,100
That was nicer than any toilet I've ever seen on this continent.

961
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:20,250
It's like, what is this?

962
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:22,790
I don't understand.

963
01:03:24,770 --> 01:03:25,570
It's kind of sweet though.

964
01:03:26,110 --> 01:03:27,770
Yeah, it was pretty amazing.

965
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:30,110
I, I was very impressed.

966
01:03:30,110 --> 01:03:33,230
Hey, we should probably do a couple of merch messages for those who are not familiar.

967
01:03:33,230 --> 01:03:36,190
Merch messages are the way to send a message to the show.

968
01:03:36,190 --> 01:03:37,570
You'll see our producer, Dan.

969
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:40,480
Hello, producer, Dan.

970
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:40,900
See you later.

971
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:44,220
Producer Dan, uh, replying to merch messages down there.

972
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:55,480
Uh, also Dan will flag certain merch messages for Luke and for me and Luke to respond to, uh, why don't we do a couple, uh, all you do is go on lttstore.com.

973
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:55,980
You can.

974
01:03:56,140 --> 01:04:00,300
Check out and you'll see a little box that says, Hey, would you like to leave a merch message?

975
01:04:00,300 --> 01:04:06,140
They're live right now and you guys can go ahead and do that and you should either get your message showing up down here.

976
01:04:06,140 --> 01:04:09,140
You can get a little reply from Dan or we might even talk about it on the show.

977
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:10,520
Want to hit me, Dan?

978
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:11,100
Sure.

979
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:13,060
I've got one here from Jayden Linus.

980
01:04:13,220 --> 01:04:16,720
Uh, how are you still using Plex instead of MB or Jellyfin?

981
01:04:16,980 --> 01:04:23,340
I run all three in Docker containers, accessing the same library with no issues on the same server.

982
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,140
Plex calls home to about 500 different places.

983
01:04:26,140 --> 01:04:28,300
Well, MB and Jelly both don't.

984
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:31,700
You're not the first to ask me this.

985
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:40,040
Uh, the first to ask me this, I think was, uh, Ooh, I, I'm going to hate myself if I get this wrong, but Tim from the Labs team.

986
01:04:40,700 --> 01:04:49,700
Um, if I recall correctly, I believe it's Tim who is a huge Jellyfin guy, not a Plex guy.

987
01:04:49,820 --> 01:04:53,660
And basically was like, what, how are you still using Plex?

988
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,400
The answer is because my license.

989
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:57,520
Oh, oh yeah, there's that.

990
01:04:57,820 --> 01:05:00,900
Uh, but I think Jellyfin is open source and free anyway.

991
01:05:01,020 --> 01:05:01,520
Oh, okay.

992
01:05:02,020 --> 01:05:02,240
Yeah.

993
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:03,780
I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure Jellyfin is open source.

994
01:05:03,780 --> 01:05:04,020
Yeah.

995
01:05:04,020 --> 01:05:05,320
The free software media system.

996
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:11,240
Um, but more importantly, my Plex is already set up and already works.

997
01:05:11,940 --> 01:05:22,710
However, I have actually had enough problems with Plex that we are no, we, we have a conditional, uh, not working with you.

998
01:05:22,910 --> 01:05:26,990
Um, I don't want to, I don't know if I would call it an order, but.

999
01:05:26,990 --> 01:05:27,030
Yeah.

1000
01:05:27,110 --> 01:05:33,330
But basically I told, I told the sales team that we're not going to work with Plex until they resolve some of my long time issues with it.

1001
01:05:33,870 --> 01:05:43,400
Um, some of my long time issues include, um, the fact that it doesn't advance to the next episode properly on some of my devices.

1002
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:44,660
And I'm like, this is ridiculous.

1003
01:05:44,700 --> 01:05:45,820
That's like fundamental.

1004
01:05:45,820 --> 01:05:54,580
Uh, one of my long time issues is that, um, oh yeah, right, right, right.

1005
01:05:55,060 --> 01:05:57,560
Downloading local copies to mobile devices.

1006
01:05:58,020 --> 01:06:02,020
Has, as far as I can tell, been completely broken for like over a year.

1007
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:06,900
Uh, again, that's something that I consider to be core functionality.

1008
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:15,120
Uh, they seem to be very focused on developing, you know, Plex TV and some of the other features that are not why I have it.

1009
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:21,340
I have it so that it will manage my media library and so that I can watch my media library on all my devices.

1010
01:06:21,340 --> 01:06:27,380
Anything else is utterly irrelevant and might as well not exist.

1011
01:06:27,380 --> 01:06:34,760
Um, yeah, download to download to local just does not work for me properly on Android or iOS.

1012
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:42,980
I, it, this came about because of a recent trip that I went on, uh, with the kids and I wanted to load up devices with movies and TV shows for the plane.

1013
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:56,440
And between my son's one plus seven, something, whenever they did that McLaren edition, he's got that one between my son's one plus my wife's Samsung, my Samsung foldable.

1014
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:57,380
So I expect some weird.

1015
01:06:57,380 --> 01:07:08,120
This, but my other more different Samsung and my iPhone 13, I couldn't get any one of those devices to reliably download content.

1016
01:07:08,620 --> 01:07:13,740
I, some of them went through, but you can't just queue it up and expect it to finish.

1017
01:07:13,740 --> 01:07:21,100
And I basically sent out an irate email in the middle of the night as I'm preparing for this, like 5 0 AM flight that was like, we are not working with them again until this is fixed.

1018
01:07:21,830 --> 01:07:25,230
Um, so yeah, I, I might be at that point now.

1019
01:07:28,660 --> 01:07:30,160
Cause that's yeah.

1020
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:30,300
I guess.

1021
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,360
Again, that's, it's, it's fundamental.

1022
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,420
Like it works great for certain things.

1023
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:41,120
I have no desire to use anything other than Plex and the NVIDIA shield for the theater room.

1024
01:07:41,780 --> 01:07:43,320
I don't touch anything else.

1025
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,060
There's just no reason to, right.

1026
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:52,840
Everything is flawless and perfect, but on mobile devices, I have just not had a lot of fun with it.

1027
01:07:53,780 --> 01:07:55,180
So I, yeah, I don't know.

1028
01:07:55,180 --> 01:08:01,040
Maybe, yeah, maybe I'll give jellyfin a shot because one of the other things that I'm going to be doing soon is, uh, switching off.

1029
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:08,600
Of unraid for, for my Plex or I guess jellyfin and, uh, firing it up on true NAS scale.

1030
01:08:09,180 --> 01:08:16,040
Uh, so I've switched to true NAS for most storage, but I haven't gotten around to setting up a Docker container for Plex.

1031
01:08:16,180 --> 01:08:24,340
So I actually still have all the media on my, my older server, which doesn't matter to me that much because the main reason that I migrated was due to reliability concerns.

1032
01:08:24,340 --> 01:08:26,020
Those are really old drives in there now.

1033
01:08:26,140 --> 01:08:26,360
Yeah.

1034
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:30,840
Um, and so if I like, like, like what I'm going to lose a couple of Blu-ray rips.

1035
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,080
That's not a big deal to me.

1036
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:38,460
Whereas like losing pictures and home videos would be, would be catastrophic.

1037
01:08:42,790 --> 01:08:43,210
Okay.

1038
01:08:43,350 --> 01:08:44,970
I've got another one here from Christopher.

1039
01:08:45,230 --> 01:08:55,010
Hey guys, with the popularity of handhelds like Steam Deck, do you think AMD or Intel will explore putting GDDR on the CPU package for the iGPU to use?

1040
01:08:55,270 --> 01:08:59,790
And if so, do you think even two gigabytes would be, uh, improving the performance?

1041
01:09:01,660 --> 01:09:03,320
Oh, okay.

1042
01:09:03,340 --> 01:09:05,200
Well, there's a couple of different angles.

1043
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:06,760
That we can approach this from.

1044
01:09:06,820 --> 01:09:12,640
So first of all, I doubt that AMD or Intel would do it.

1045
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:22,700
I think that AMD might do it, but it would be a custom Silicon product kind of like, I mean, really this, what this sounds like to me is an Xbox or a PlayStation processor.

1046
01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:35,160
Like they've done for the last couple of generations in those cases, it's not on package, but it's designed to interact directly with GDDR memory.

1047
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:44,000
And the operating system is designed to use that same GDDR memory for both system memory and graphics memory.

1048
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,620
Um, I think that solution is pretty good.

1049
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:48,040
Yeah.

1050
01:09:48,140 --> 01:09:51,260
It, it, it seems to work pretty darn well for game consoles.

1051
01:09:51,660 --> 01:09:51,860
Yeah.

1052
01:09:53,190 --> 01:09:55,430
But there are a couple of concerns.

1053
01:09:55,430 --> 01:10:04,310
So one, your suggestion of putting just a couple of gigs, unfortunately wouldn't really work because it's, oh man.

1054
01:10:04,690 --> 01:10:05,590
Oh, okay.

1055
01:10:05,610 --> 01:10:15,830
Maybe it could, maybe you could load assets into your higher speed GDDR memory until it's full and then go out to main memory.

1056
01:10:16,130 --> 01:10:26,830
But the problem with that is that GDDR memory is faster than non G than regular GDR memory, but it's not that much faster.

1057
01:10:27,150 --> 01:10:31,270
So it's, it's not like using an SSD to cash a hard drive.

1058
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:34,030
Like it's not an order of magnitude faster.

1059
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:35,430
So using it as a.

1060
01:10:35,610 --> 01:10:44,430
Cache, I think would have so much overhead that you would actually lose more than you would gain by doing it that way.

1061
01:10:44,430 --> 01:10:52,490
So what you would have to do then is you would have to put the full amount of memory that you intend to have in this product on package like that.

1062
01:10:52,490 --> 01:10:58,610
Now, Apple has gone and put system memory on package, not on die, but on package.

1063
01:10:58,670 --> 01:11:05,510
And so I, I, I don't see any reason why we couldn't see something like that in the future, but I doubt that that's something that.

1064
01:11:05,950 --> 01:11:11,610
AMD or especially Intel would just productize and hope that somebody's gonna buy it.

1065
01:11:12,010 --> 01:11:25,350
Yeah, that's the kind of thing that valve might have to come to AMD and say, Hey, we're gonna pay the, however many millions upon millions of dollars for you guys to do the R and D to build this product.

1066
01:11:25,650 --> 01:11:30,510
And we are then gonna sell millions upon millions of steam decks and it's gonna be great.

1067
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:35,340
Um, my other concern about sharing that.

1068
01:11:35,340 --> 01:11:35,620
Memory.

1069
01:11:35,980 --> 01:11:38,580
Cause I, I would kind of imagine that that would be a shared memory.

1070
01:11:38,580 --> 01:11:43,560
I mean, if you're gonna have like a super high speed memory that's sitting on package, well, heck you might as well use it for everything.

1071
01:11:43,980 --> 01:11:50,820
But I don't, this is just something that I'm not gonna be able to speak to very well because I simply don't know enough about it.

1072
01:11:51,080 --> 01:12:05,520
But I would have concerns about performance and compatibility with regular PC games that are designed to, uh, have two different memory pools.

1073
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:05,620
So.

1074
01:12:05,700 --> 01:12:08,640
You've got your GPU, you've got your VRAM, and then you've got your system memory.

1075
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:13,500
I don't know how they would handle those being one end the same.

1076
01:12:13,940 --> 01:12:21,660
Then again, I don't know if you ever saw this video, but there was that, that super weird Chinese console that actually did take that approach.

1077
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:22,980
Oh, and ran Windows.

1078
01:12:23,580 --> 01:12:25,680
Oh, and seemed to run games.

1079
01:12:26,380 --> 01:12:35,660
So maybe it's fine, but there's a drawback because GDDR memory, even though it's very high bandwidth is also higher latency.

1080
01:12:35,660 --> 01:12:41,040
Compared to regular GDDR memory, which is not good for CPUs.

1081
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:46,330
So I don't know.

1082
01:12:46,370 --> 01:12:46,630
Yeah.

1083
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:46,810
Yeah.

1084
01:12:46,810 --> 01:12:47,470
HBM.

1085
01:12:47,470 --> 01:12:47,930
Sure.

1086
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:49,810
How much you want to spend on a steam deck?

1087
01:12:49,870 --> 01:12:50,290
Yeah.

1088
01:12:50,290 --> 01:12:50,950
900 bucks.

1089
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:51,370
Let's go.

1090
01:12:51,370 --> 01:12:51,890
Yeah.

1091
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:53,610
HBM memory.

1092
01:12:55,540 --> 01:12:58,360
So, uh, yeah, from like, uh, from a tech, yeah.

1093
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:06,700
From a technology standpoint, there's no reason it couldn't be done, but from a practical standpoint, I don't see it happening anytime soon.

1094
01:13:06,900 --> 01:13:07,720
Uh, NW.

1095
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,900
Gat asks, uh, what about Xbox and PlayStation?

1096
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:14,500
Yes, but that memory is not on package.

1097
01:13:14,540 --> 01:13:18,280
The question was what about right next to the CPU die?

1098
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:22,480
Because the closer the memory gets, the lower the latency, which is great.

1099
01:13:23,870 --> 01:13:37,550
But the more integrated this product is, and the less generally useful it is like AMD can't take that product that they developed for steam deck five or whatever it is, and just put it in a box and sell it at new egg.

1100
01:13:37,550 --> 01:13:44,380
So ultimately that cost of developing, it has to be covered by someone and that someone is going to be a customer.

1101
01:13:44,620 --> 01:13:45,500
That's not going to be AMD.

1102
01:13:45,500 --> 01:13:47,800
They're not just going to build that and hope somebody buys it.

1103
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,480
Uh, why don't we move on to, oh, we should do sponsors.

1104
01:13:54,060 --> 01:13:54,640
Holy smokes.

1105
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:55,580
We haven't done sponsors yet.

1106
01:13:55,580 --> 01:13:59,710
Oh, how long has the show been going anyway?

1107
01:13:59,770 --> 01:14:03,530
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Oh, man.

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Our audience is...

1153
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You build up a YouTube audience, and it turns out they're just like you.

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Everyone's talking about like, yep, it's another year of gift cards for me.

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1161
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I have a Christmas present that I'm going to be giving someone this year that was purchased probably close to 10 months ago.

1163
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Really?

1164
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Yeah.

1165
01:16:42,330 --> 01:16:42,650
For who?

1166
01:16:43,210 --> 01:16:43,850
My mom.

1167
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Really?

1168
01:16:45,110 --> 01:16:45,310
Yeah.

1169
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My mom is actually the easiest person to buy presents for.

1170
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She's an enjoyer.

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She likes things.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

1176
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Yeah.

1177
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And she's also a like very much thought counts.

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And she's into a lot of stuff.

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Yep.

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A lot of hobbies.

1181
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She's done tons of different jobs and hobbies and everything you can imagine.

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So like the realm of things that you could get is very vast.

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Meanwhile, Atlas in the Floatplane chat says, I'm giving wiper fluid as a gift this year.

1184
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Alrighty then.

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Hey, I mean, if they need it, no.

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1194
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What topic would you like to talk about next?

1195
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:15,280
Let's jump over here.

1196
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,660
Elon Musk is not a free speech absolutionist, perhaps?

1197
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,200
Sure, let's do it.

1198
01:18:21,220 --> 01:18:22,380
Let's get through it quickly.

1199
01:18:22,820 --> 01:18:23,820
Yeah, I like that.

1200
01:18:23,860 --> 01:18:24,500
I like that idea.

1201
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,220
So lots of things have happened on Twitter.

1202
01:18:28,380 --> 01:18:30,160
There's been the Twitter files stuff.

1203
01:18:30,340 --> 01:18:38,540
There's been, I think, every 12 hours they try to drop some type of craziness on Twitter to keep the users rolling.

1204
01:18:39,460 --> 01:18:41,640
So it's been a little bit too much to cover.

1205
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,180
We haven't been covering it as much as when this stuff first came out.

1206
01:18:44,260 --> 01:18:58,420
I think we're all getting a little tired, but what we have talked on the show about before is Elon Jet, the Twitter account that used to track, well, Elon's jet, if you couldn't figure that out.

1207
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:06,200
And there were other similar ones for other high-profile public figures using publicly available jet information to...

1208
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:12,140
That's an important one because it's not like this information is now gone because the Twitter account is gone.

1209
01:19:12,140 --> 01:19:12,280
No.

1210
01:19:12,660 --> 01:19:13,400
It's just...

1211
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:14,140
No.

1212
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:23,110
It's not being automatically posted on Twitter, but it got that information from a public resource that anyone can access.

1213
01:19:24,330 --> 01:19:28,590
So the information is 100% still there and able to be accessed by anyone.

1214
01:19:28,770 --> 01:19:32,470
It's not like this person had privileged information is what I'm trying to say.

1215
01:19:33,810 --> 01:19:39,870
So that person who, again, we've talked about this on the show, Elon offered them $5K to delete their account way back.

1216
01:19:40,890 --> 01:19:42,650
They asked, how about $50K?

1217
01:19:42,730 --> 01:19:43,890
They wanted a Model 3.

1218
01:19:44,090 --> 01:19:44,970
And I think...

1219
01:19:44,970 --> 01:19:48,050
Like an actual fan was the one doing it, which is sort of interesting.

1220
01:19:48,290 --> 01:19:48,490
Yeah.

1221
01:19:48,590 --> 01:19:51,090
I think it was $50K so that I can buy a Model 3.

1222
01:19:51,130 --> 01:19:51,830
Yeah, I believe so.

1223
01:19:51,930 --> 01:19:52,030
Yeah.

1224
01:19:53,250 --> 01:19:54,210
Elon refused.

1225
01:19:54,650 --> 01:19:58,590
And if I remember correctly, and I don't really want to misquote this.

1226
01:19:58,670 --> 01:19:59,510
Oh, no, here it is.

1227
01:20:00,350 --> 01:20:02,690
He tweeted a while back.

1228
01:20:04,270 --> 01:20:08,050
And he hasn't taken this down and a bunch of people have been roasting him for it.

1229
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:08,970
So it's still up.

1230
01:20:08,970 --> 01:20:11,270
But he tweeted on November 6th, 2022.

1231
01:20:11,670 --> 01:20:15,030
My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account.

1232
01:20:15,130 --> 01:20:18,750
Following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk.

1233
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:23,770
He has now banned the account tracking his plane.

1234
01:20:24,670 --> 01:20:28,750
He has also and this is where things get a little bit hazy for me.

1235
01:20:28,990 --> 01:20:37,060
He has also banned a bunch of other accounts that as far as I can tell, talked about.

1236
01:20:37,100 --> 01:20:38,020
I don't know.

1237
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,960
Genuinely, I think it's talked about.

1238
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:42,880
It might be retweeted.

1239
01:20:43,900 --> 01:20:45,500
But yeah.

1240
01:20:45,540 --> 01:20:46,080
Interacted with me.

1241
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:46,800
Interacted with that account.

1242
01:20:46,980 --> 01:20:47,780
I'm not sure.

1243
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,800
I'm not sure where the cutoff of interaction is.

1244
01:20:51,060 --> 01:20:51,340
Yeah.

1245
01:20:51,340 --> 01:20:54,720
But some level of interacted with or talked about or something.

1246
01:20:54,860 --> 01:20:57,340
That account have also been banned.

1247
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:58,580
Just like right off the hop.

1248
01:20:58,780 --> 01:20:59,400
Change the rule.

1249
01:20:59,620 --> 01:20:59,880
Banned.

1250
01:21:02,010 --> 01:21:02,530
Yeah.

1251
01:21:02,850 --> 01:21:08,010
Elon also suspended the accounts of at least six journalists who have covered the Twitter saga,

1252
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:12,490
implying that they had doxxed his real time location and endangered his family.

1253
01:21:13,330 --> 01:21:15,070
As of now, there is no evidence.

1254
01:21:15,210 --> 01:21:16,210
Any of the journalists did.

1255
01:21:16,210 --> 01:21:27,220
This well, I mean, the accounts are closed, so you wouldn't be able to get whatever Twitter has not provided any they don't.

1256
01:21:27,580 --> 01:21:32,440
As far as I know, their entire public communication side is gone, just like he did with Tesla.

1257
01:21:32,500 --> 01:21:32,740
Yeah.

1258
01:21:32,740 --> 01:21:36,960
So so I don't think there would be like these things are not going to happen, basically.

1259
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:37,260
Yeah.

1260
01:21:38,820 --> 01:21:45,960
Elon posted a video on Wednesday of someone that he claimed was a crazy stalker who climbed on the roof of the car carrying his child X.

1261
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:52,990
Which seems like a thing that someone might do.

1262
01:21:53,050 --> 01:21:53,590
Yeah, that would.

1263
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:53,830
Yeah.

1264
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:56,710
I mean, I like that scenario would absolutely suck.

1265
01:21:56,770 --> 01:21:57,070
Yeah.

1266
01:21:57,070 --> 01:22:03,670
You probably want wouldn't want someone to try to block the road of a car that has your child in it and climb on the roof of said vehicle.

1267
01:22:03,730 --> 01:22:10,210
Yeah, that would be I suspect if someone was a parent and that happened to their child, they would be pretty freaking.

1268
01:22:10,210 --> 01:22:11,410
Absolute red line.

1269
01:22:11,450 --> 01:22:12,610
Yes, exactly.

1270
01:22:12,650 --> 01:22:12,950
Yep.

1271
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:17,030
Um, yeah, he he posted that.

1272
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:18,870
One thing that I thought was somewhat entertaining.

1273
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:23,190
Was, you know, how he's been doing a lot of the video was the issue with the video is that it's not on topic.

1274
01:22:23,190 --> 01:22:25,050
None of those journalists had anything to do with that.

1275
01:22:25,530 --> 01:22:38,550
So, well, I think the my assumption was that it had something to do with his plane landed and then they were trying to drive away from where it was and they were followed by this person.

1276
01:22:39,780 --> 01:22:42,300
Okay, so the root of the information was the plane.

1277
01:22:42,780 --> 01:22:45,780
Oh, that's my I don't know if that's what's going on there.

1278
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,340
That's my level of understanding.

1279
01:22:47,340 --> 01:22:47,640
Sure.

1280
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:54,910
Um, yeah, I don't think things are a little crazy over in Twitter land.

1281
01:22:55,050 --> 01:22:58,010
Um, Zach from Jerry rig everything.

1282
01:22:58,030 --> 01:23:03,850
Yeah, here I've got this got banned by by Elon or blocked by Elon.

1283
01:23:03,850 --> 01:23:04,150
Sorry.

1284
01:23:04,150 --> 01:23:05,650
Yeah, not banned off the platform.

1285
01:23:05,650 --> 01:23:06,370
I said that incorrect.

1286
01:23:06,370 --> 01:23:18,350
He got blocked by Elon because in the video of as far as I can tell, one of the security guys getting video coverage of the person who chased them and then also covering the lights or not covering the license plate.

1287
01:23:18,350 --> 01:23:18,610
Yeah.

1288
01:23:18,610 --> 01:23:18,710
Yeah.

1289
01:23:18,710 --> 01:23:18,770
Yeah.

1290
01:23:19,330 --> 01:23:24,530
Video footage of the license plate that Elon tweeted out Jerry Rig.

1291
01:23:24,530 --> 01:23:27,530
Everything responded and said, Yo, contact the police.

1292
01:23:27,550 --> 01:23:28,710
Don't send your mob.

1293
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:34,200
Didn't you just tweet that dousing is against Twitter rules and Elon blocked him?

1294
01:23:36,150 --> 01:23:36,970
Didn't ban him.

1295
01:23:37,870 --> 01:23:38,390
Yeah.

1296
01:23:38,850 --> 01:23:40,150
So that's neat.

1297
01:23:40,150 --> 01:23:40,710
Just blocked.

1298
01:23:40,730 --> 01:23:52,720
Um, yeah, yeah, the some suspension seemed to be specifically affecting people who point out Elon's hypocrisy.

1299
01:23:53,020 --> 01:23:53,500
Uh, shortly.

1300
01:23:53,500 --> 01:24:01,020
before his band uh band ban mashable reporter matt binder binder sorry uh posted screen caps

1301
01:24:01,020 --> 01:24:09,720
of elon encouraging people to invest in tesla the day he dumped 3.6 billion in stock um

1302
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:22,620
so that's pretty good um but like the eu and the un published statements condemning twitter's

1303
01:24:22,620 --> 01:24:30,860
decision oh man uh oh yeah oh oh that's not even in here but mastodon's official account has been

1304
01:24:30,860 --> 01:24:37,320
uh banned yeah so you are not allowed and you can't link to mastodon anymore either

1305
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:43,300
but i think people can still put their like mastodon usernames or whatever yeah in their

1306
01:24:43,300 --> 01:24:47,400
profile yeah but i think you just can't link to the site yeah we'll see when that happens yeah

1307
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:52,380
uh when that happens that'll be a lot of people nick showed me you know i i was with you

1308
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:59,200
until nick showed me something really interesting today where i i think your take on sort of the

1309
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:05,120
uh some of the hysteria around oh it's just twitter's gonna collapse immediately was like

1310
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:12,360
well like it's it's it's running like it's it's not gonna just immediately fall apart yeah nick

1311
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:18,120
showed me a recording on his phone today of the twitter app doing some weird stuff dude

1312
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:22,780
did he show you that okay so he showed me a screen recording

1313
01:25:22,940 --> 01:25:26,860
of him tapping on the same picture in a tweet three times

1314
01:25:27,580 --> 01:25:34,880
and it having three completely different behaviors once it opens the picture once

1315
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:41,440
it navigates to a totally unrelated website oh a sec and a third time oh that one's weird it opens

1316
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:48,800
up a completely unrelated tweet and i'm like what because i haven't seen anything that's pretty fun

1317
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:52,880
i haven't seen anything that bad but honestly i've not been using it as much like i i think i've talked

1318
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:58,240
to you about this but i've had myself on like a twitter diet or whatever for a while yeah yeah

1319
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:05,360
like i i set my i set my app time limit to 30 minutes like months ago just because i realized

1320
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:09,840
i'm doing so much doom scrolling on twitter and it's not really contributing anything it's not

1321
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:14,000
making me feel better i've been i've been getting myself i haven't done that but i've been getting

1322
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:21,120
myself to be more busy and i just haven't had the time which is a good solution in my opinion um

1323
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:25,600
but yeah i mean twitter's done weird stuff for a while that's pretty weird that's weirder than

1324
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:30,800
anything i've seen for sure um i still don't think it's necessarily going down anytime soon

1325
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:38,240
also uh there are still claims i don't know how true it is necessarily um there are still claims

1326
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:48,910
that uh what was it oh right users have peaked again oh yeah apparently because of the banning

1327
01:26:48,910 --> 01:26:51,310
of people i guess people reacting to the

1328
01:26:51,310 --> 01:26:57,340
that are coming to twitter and going what's going on oh i could see that yeah i could see that i

1329
01:26:57,340 --> 01:27:01,420
don't know we've hit another peak i don't know that those users are going to interact in the

1330
01:27:01,420 --> 01:27:06,460
long term so what this means for the for the long-term health of the platform i couldn't

1331
01:27:06,460 --> 01:27:12,540
tell you i mean maybe there's a big brain 4d chess play more and more big names permanently leave

1332
01:27:13,260 --> 01:27:16,060
that's an interesting one to me permanent's a big word though yeah

1333
01:27:17,100 --> 01:27:21,580
permanently gone in a year if the dust settles i don't know yeah yeah but okay

1334
01:27:21,820 --> 01:27:26,300
another thing that i'll bring up about the the like uh twitter stability thing is people were

1335
01:27:26,300 --> 01:27:32,520
saying it was going to be down in like a couple days yeah which is like clearly ridiculous that's

1336
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:36,680
the main thing that i was reacting to back then is it was at first it was like oh it's gonna be

1337
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:40,120
down in a couple days and then they were like oh it's gonna be down by the weekend or whatever i

1338
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:43,160
don't remember what that was and then they were like oh it's not gonna last until the next week

1339
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:46,920
well there was like the lettuce the lettuce comparison lettuce thing which no one talks

1340
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:51,560
about anymore probably because the lettuce is gross now um like the the goal post just kept

1341
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:57,480
over and over and over and over and over again i'm like okay relax um yeah the the new king

1342
01:27:57,480 --> 01:28:02,280
twitter spaces thing okay this is another one where like i i've heard about so much stuff

1343
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:08,600
happens on twitter and i just hate all of it because i hate twitter i have then this isn't

1344
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:14,920
new just in case anyone's like not new take i have hated twitter for years way before any of

1345
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:22,030
this even started so this is don't even try to pull that out um but apparently there was a

1346
01:28:22,110 --> 01:28:27,310
twitter spaces going on and some people started and he joined it no i think it was one of the band

1347
01:28:27,310 --> 01:28:31,390
journalists or something or suspended ones oh right they could still join spaces they could

1348
01:28:31,390 --> 01:28:38,350
still join spaces but couldn't tweet or something like that and he like joined it and elon joined

1349
01:28:38,350 --> 01:28:45,390
the space and like they asked him some questions and then he left and then disabled the spaces

1350
01:28:45,390 --> 01:28:51,390
feature all together just killed it and then brought it back like the next day or something

1351
01:28:52,110 --> 01:28:58,910
are we seeing are we seeing this new level of escalation as a result of him getting booed with

1352
01:28:58,910 --> 01:29:06,190
dave chappelle like is that because like i gotta tell you guys as a public figure if i went out on

1353
01:29:06,190 --> 01:29:13,310
a stage was like introduced and i mean that sucks for anyone and i thought that like i was cool

1354
01:29:14,030 --> 01:29:16,990
and i thought that people were gonna think i was pretty cool

1355
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:22,000
and i think pretty much regardless of how big your ego is if you go up

1356
01:29:22,940 --> 01:29:28,300
in a in a public speaking environment in front of what is it probably a ton of people well i mean

1357
01:29:28,300 --> 01:29:33,420
it's a it's a it's a dave chappelle live show so i have to imagine hundreds if not thousands i don't

1358
01:29:33,420 --> 01:29:37,180
know how big you go in front of that many people and they boo you hard like that's gonna hurt

1359
01:29:37,740 --> 01:29:45,260
yeah like pretty much no matter who you are and so i guess the knee-jerk reaction is to quiet

1360
01:29:45,260 --> 01:29:49,580
try to try to eliminate criticism wasn't this supposed to be a good quick topic that is that

1361
01:29:49,580 --> 01:29:52,440
is fair um but it has no reason to be a good topic that is fair um but it has no reason to be a good topic

1362
01:29:52,680 --> 01:30:01,400
not been 20 minutes hammy 3d banned turn off Floatplane live chat turn it turn it off now

1363
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:11,080
aj's like i don't even know if we could do that i just don't you know i just don't get it right

1364
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:18,030
because like yeah he spent his whole career being criticized like i spend my whole career being

1365
01:30:18,030 --> 01:30:23,150
criticized it's not new it's just that the criticizing is the criticism is ramping up because

1366
01:30:23,150 --> 01:30:27,710
the things you're doing are awful the current volume so why would you double down and do way

1367
01:30:27,710 --> 01:30:31,230
more awful stuff i think that's a pretty normal human response it's not going to

1368
01:30:31,230 --> 01:30:34,670
help i'm not saying it's a good one but i think it's a pretty normal human response going to help

1369
01:30:34,670 --> 01:30:46,030
though yeah i don't disagree we we both go take a drink we both do the like lean away lean away

1370
01:30:46,030 --> 01:30:54,560
thing i didn't realize we both did that um yeah some people are talking about like uh freedom of

1371
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,040
speech and stuff like that what about it what does it stands

1372
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:02,660
for nothing yeah get over it one of the problems with the plane thing is again that that is that

1373
01:31:02,660 --> 01:31:08,300
is public information plane plane routes planes with transponders on you can figure out where

1374
01:31:08,300 --> 01:31:18,270
they are like that's and you planes need transponders yeah um so that's the thing

1375
01:31:18,270 --> 01:31:24,030
yeah and now apparently promote installing trains there you go apparently it's just on

1376
01:31:24,030 --> 01:31:30,250
reddit now so he strice and affected the shit out of it yeah and like that that's what i was

1377
01:31:30,250 --> 01:31:35,310
saying removing the twitter account didn't remove the information it just stopped the twitter

1378
01:31:35,310 --> 01:31:40,730
account all of that is still public if people really wanted to know they are going to find it

1379
01:31:40,730 --> 01:31:49,470
it's out there like i don't know anyways let's get off of twitter yeah let's do that are we doing

1380
01:31:49,470 --> 01:31:54,580
that are are we pacting that now getting off of twitter yeah i'm not getting off of twitter

1381
01:31:54,580 --> 01:31:54,940
but

1382
01:31:54,960 --> 01:32:00,900
my problem is there are people that i must communicate with that communicate with me

1383
01:32:00,900 --> 01:32:08,760
through twitter dms i'm one of those people who's very chat app agnostic like here's my here's my

1384
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:16,630
social folder i have pretty similar to mine i i'm missing i think two of those hangouts instagram

1385
01:32:16,630 --> 01:32:25,790
whatsapp facebook messenger uh we chat line teams discord yeah it's just we chat in line i don't

1386
01:32:25,790 --> 01:32:25,990
have those

1387
01:32:26,010 --> 01:32:30,110
i don't even have my sms app in there and i have other ones that you don't have in there actually

1388
01:32:30,110 --> 01:32:34,750
now that i think about it oh what you got what you got hit me up icq telegram at the very least

1389
01:32:34,750 --> 01:32:39,910
oh i have signal signal yeah or wait yeah no yeah both of those actually telegram and signal

1390
01:32:39,910 --> 01:32:43,190
signal's not in there because i don't use it much but yeah yeah i have it

1391
01:32:43,190 --> 01:32:49,070
et cetera et cetera like yeah i'm on all of them as well um and and there are there are

1392
01:32:49,070 --> 01:32:55,660
like just like with facebook i only really use facebook to private message certain people just

1393
01:32:55,660 --> 01:33:01,220
like with twitter yep i need it because there are people that i have to be able to get dms from

1394
01:33:01,220 --> 01:33:10,330
yep for like my job so you're stuck with it so i'm gonna keep using it yep yeah pretty much

1395
01:33:10,330 --> 01:33:16,270
there it is we chat on a western phone crazy to trust that did i say i trust it

1396
01:33:16,270 --> 01:33:23,830
i have it some people that i might need to talk to might not have western chat apps right

1397
01:33:23,830 --> 01:33:28,230
yeah hey there you go i mean that's the thing like i just i don't that's this is one of the

1398
01:33:28,230 --> 01:33:32,170
reasons that i don't understand the whole i message thing it's like oh yeah i love it i

1399
01:33:32,170 --> 01:33:37,780
messaged what it's like it's like having a phone that only connects to certain lines

1400
01:33:37,780 --> 01:33:45,830
why would you want it get like so if you need to why don't you just get a phone that connects to

1401
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:53,790
every line like you like imagine imagine trying to sell an email service where the main feature

1402
01:33:53,790 --> 01:33:54,290
is that you can

1403
01:33:54,310 --> 01:34:00,810
only email people who are on the same domain how the is that a feature that's a bug

1404
01:34:02,250 --> 01:34:06,170
or like if you email someone who's on a different service it's a degraded experience

1405
01:34:07,370 --> 01:34:10,810
it's like you get to shame them for being poor they can't afford this email

1406
01:34:11,770 --> 01:34:15,850
i just i think there's some i.t security stuff where you can only email people in the same

1407
01:34:15,850 --> 01:34:20,010
domain but that's like obviously we're talking about something yeah that's a completely different

1408
01:34:20,010 --> 01:34:25,050
totally different thing yeah yeah i don't know i i it is what it is so i'm not going

1409
01:34:25,050 --> 01:34:25,150
to be able to do that i'm not going to be able to do that i'm not going to be able to do that

1410
01:34:25,150 --> 01:34:31,980
i'm going to be completely getting off of twitter but i effectively don't create new tweets anymore

1411
01:34:31,980 --> 01:34:43,590
i like reply to stuff sometimes i interact with things sometimes but like i think my most recent

1412
01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:50,990
tweet was the ovh video because i wanted to reblast it because i like that video i was trying

1413
01:34:50,990 --> 01:34:55,830
to help promote it the one before that i think i'm like roasting you on your birthday and then

1414
01:34:55,830 --> 01:34:58,970
i don't even remember what's before that but it's probably like a year ago i don't know i don't know

1415
01:34:58,990 --> 01:35:07,230
or something like i i basically don't use the platform anymore because i do not like it oh man

1416
01:35:07,230 --> 01:35:13,430
this isn't in the dock unfortunately but did you see that it looks like the eu is going to force

1417
01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:21,250
apple to allow side loading yeah wait i thought this was in the dock is it uh maybe i'm just i read

1418
01:35:21,250 --> 01:35:28,410
notes on it did you yeah did i just like completely miss it i don't know i don't see it for some reason

1419
01:35:29,500 --> 01:35:30,280
i think it was something

1420
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:37,240
we were going to talk about anyway that could be amazing that sounds great yeah go eu there's i mean

1421
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:44,600
not everything but but definitely this definitely this i hope we're not missing it because i saw it

1422
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:51,270
as a topic i'm like certain um because they were talking about how there's some people that are

1423
01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:59,110
countering it uh because they're saying if you allow side loading and that becomes common uh

1424
01:35:59,830 --> 01:36:00,710
things like facebook

1425
01:36:00,790 --> 01:36:05,430
and these other major applications might try to leave the app store so they can get around

1426
01:36:05,430 --> 01:36:10,150
the payment cut and if that happens then we're going to lose the security layer and people are

1427
01:36:10,150 --> 01:36:17,220
upset about that okay then don't install any of those apps that are not in the app store

1428
01:36:17,220 --> 01:36:23,300
don't ever use a computer it's called user choice any kind of computer yeah and it's it's really

1429
01:36:23,300 --> 01:36:29,700
interesting to me when i hear the argument that the user choice is to not use an iphone uh okay

1430
01:36:30,340 --> 01:36:31,460
but okay

1431
01:36:33,540 --> 01:36:42,580
but no no user user choice and and fair and open competition is uh doesn't just mean well then okay

1432
01:36:42,580 --> 01:36:48,020
you just can't then you're just completely locked out of one of the only two vendors in the duopoly

1433
01:36:48,020 --> 01:36:55,160
that is smartphones um and also by the way both of them are behaving in exactly the same

1434
01:36:55,800 --> 01:37:01,320
monopolistic way uh this is this is bad and we actually do need less legislation to fix this

1435
01:37:03,380 --> 01:37:03,540
yeah

1436
01:37:03,700 --> 01:37:11,220
so there you go yeah i think it's cool as well though let's go yeah yeah i'm pretty excited

1437
01:37:11,220 --> 01:37:16,420
yeah we got a couple of other pretty interesting topics uh epic games is shutting down servers for

1438
01:37:16,420 --> 01:37:22,340
a bunch of old games again okay like a lot so i i should have followed up on this and i didn't

1439
01:37:22,340 --> 01:37:27,860
that is my bad this topic was shared with me uh where is it let me just search for epic

1440
01:37:29,140 --> 01:37:33,780
i think there's some extra juice on this oh um where i think they have

1441
01:37:33,780 --> 01:37:40,440
have been removing games from stores as well interesting uh so in while he's looking that

1442
01:37:40,440 --> 01:37:44,480
up the affected games include a thousand tiny claws dance central one two and three the vr

1443
01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:50,640
online multiplayer will remain up green day rock band monsters probably stole my princess rock band

1444
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:55,720
one two and three the beatles rock band supersonic acrobatic rocket powered battle cars unreal gold

1445
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:59,760
unreal to the awakening unreal tournament 2003 unreal tournament 2004 unreal tournament three

1446
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:06,040
though that one will be reactivated and re-released for free as unreal tournament 3x

1447
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:12,240
it is already renamed it is barred from sale on steam and that'll be on epic online services in

1448
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:17,100
the future with cross play between steam epic game store and good old games unreal tournament

1449
01:38:17,100 --> 01:38:23,860
game of the year edition um the master server has been up in some form or another since 1999 so

1450
01:38:23,860 --> 01:38:29,480
goodbye it is possible to specify a master server manually though so players could use

1451
01:38:29,480 --> 01:38:30,100
for free the master server has been up in some form or another since 1999 so

1452
01:38:30,100 --> 01:38:37,300
example old unreal via unreal.ini tweaks battle breakers unreal tournament alpha rock band blitz

1453
01:38:37,300 --> 01:38:43,210
rock band companion app and sing space some games like unreal tournament game of the year have

1454
01:38:43,210 --> 01:38:47,110
support for direct ip connections and should still be playable without the master server browser

1455
01:38:47,110 --> 01:38:54,190
and most also feature local multiplayer options but once again luke and i are bringing up how

1456
01:38:54,190 --> 01:38:59,810
horrible this is and what it will mean for the next round of server

1457
01:38:59,810 --> 01:39:08,890
end of life's when you just are utterly unable to use these software titles that you paid for excuse me

1458
01:39:08,890 --> 01:39:22,360
uh rented it's very frustrating uh did you find what you were looking to talk about no um i think

1459
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:28,320
it all right here we go one second the reason close okay the reason for it is that uh epic is

1460
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:32,960
pushing to support its epic online services system which they say will provide a unified

1461
01:39:32,980 --> 01:39:43,300
friend system voice chat parental controls and parental verification features okay um i guess

1462
01:39:43,300 --> 01:39:54,640
yeah like some is this in here yeah like unreal gold real gold i don't know a ton about this game

1463
01:39:54,640 --> 01:40:03,260
and yeah like if you look up unreal gold on steam right now it says notice unreal gold is no longer

1464
01:40:03,260 --> 01:40:07,650
available on the steam store yep so if you didn't get it that's it

1465
01:40:08,220 --> 01:40:11,660
and there didn't appear to be a ton of warning for this

1466
01:40:12,460 --> 01:40:18,320
recent reviews are apparently like this is a single player game or it's listed as a single

1467
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:23,440
player game on on steam so it's it's not that they just like because this is talking about turning

1468
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:28,960
off servers right yeah epic says some titles will still work offline while there's not be playable

1469
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:37,660
at all so unreal gold is not sold anymore i guess i mean was anyone really buying it i don't know

1470
01:40:38,700 --> 01:40:48,160
1998 it's not really the point though i know it just sucks yeah just sucks yeah but my game in

1471
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:52,560
history unreal gold is just like the first one on the list so that's what i dove into but i don't

1472
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:57,420
i don't know if like some of these other ones are also off the store it also sounds like like

1473
01:40:57,420 --> 01:41:05,300
there's a note lower down somewhere to do where like the game is being re-released i don't remember

1474
01:41:05,300 --> 01:41:09,130
which one that's unreal uh three unreal tournament three

1475
01:41:09,250 --> 01:41:14,610
yeah being re-released as unreal 3x yeah i already talked about that barred from the steam sale and

1476
01:41:14,610 --> 01:41:19,410
it's on epic game services so i feel like part of this is trying to get it to move to their own stuff

1477
01:41:19,410 --> 01:41:27,730
well yeah absolutely it is epic seems to be the only other game store owner that is still holding

1478
01:41:27,730 --> 01:41:34,370
holding out it's like no no we will we're gonna compete with steam everyone else has come crawling

1479
01:41:34,370 --> 01:41:38,130
back oh except blizzard uh activision blizzard is still on the blizzard won't

1480
01:41:39,250 --> 01:41:46,210
i am 100 certain blizzard won't um because they've been doing it a lot longer but ea ubi

1481
01:41:46,210 --> 01:41:52,620
they're back yeah they're back baby because blizzard had their own launcher back when

1482
01:41:53,180 --> 01:41:58,530
tons of things had their own launcher and they actually had like a launcher for it and everyone

1483
01:41:58,530 --> 01:42:04,690
got used to using it before steam just like ran everything because they blizzard was doing an mmo

1484
01:42:04,690 --> 01:42:09,410
and back in the day steam didn't support mmos through steam right effectively um

1485
01:42:09,890 --> 01:42:15,730
so like yeah people just got used to it i don't think blizzard is ever gonna bail uh blizzard is

1486
01:42:15,730 --> 01:42:23,010
getting people pretty used to launching no you can just buy cod through so activision part of blizzard

1487
01:42:23,010 --> 01:42:28,050
is still using steam i guess but but don't expect by diablo 4. yeah yeah on steam yeah i think

1488
01:42:28,050 --> 01:42:34,690
that's where we're at yep yeah ubi caved recently yep matter of time Anthony's take um you know how

1489
01:42:34,690 --> 01:42:38,930
long should game companies really be expected to keep older games afloat though and to epic's credit

1490
01:42:39,890 --> 01:42:42,130
A lot of their older games using Unreal Engine

1491
01:42:42,130 --> 01:42:44,150
are very open and easily modded.

1492
01:42:44,650 --> 01:42:46,130
Not all of these games are though.

1493
01:42:46,490 --> 01:42:48,710
Regardless of how long they were supported for though,

1494
01:42:49,010 --> 01:42:50,410
IMO, once they sunset games,

1495
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:52,130
they should release the server software and tools

1496
01:42:52,130 --> 01:42:53,310
for the community to restore them.

1497
01:42:53,470 --> 01:42:55,970
Yeah, so my point isn't actually at all

1498
01:42:55,970 --> 01:42:57,530
how long companies should be expected

1499
01:42:57,530 --> 01:42:58,610
to keep games afloat.

1500
01:42:58,950 --> 01:43:00,490
I can totally understand if you're like,

1501
01:43:00,570 --> 01:43:03,870
man, we have zero users on almost every day,

1502
01:43:03,950 --> 01:43:06,310
not wanting to keep those servers going.

1503
01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:10,290
But it is entirely based around those companies

1504
01:43:10,290 --> 01:43:12,770
releasing the server softwares and tools

1505
01:43:12,770 --> 01:43:14,090
needed for the community to restore them,

1506
01:43:14,210 --> 01:43:15,310
like Anthony said.

1507
01:43:15,810 --> 01:43:18,810
That is where literally my entire argument lies

1508
01:43:18,810 --> 01:43:20,550
because the only thing I'm worried about

1509
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:21,170
at a certain point,

1510
01:43:21,210 --> 01:43:22,030
because you brought up like,

1511
01:43:22,090 --> 01:43:23,050
how many people are still playing this?

1512
01:43:23,270 --> 01:43:25,290
Yeah, that's very valid for a lot of games.

1513
01:43:25,310 --> 01:43:26,150
Probably no one.

1514
01:43:26,330 --> 01:43:26,530
Yeah.

1515
01:43:26,710 --> 01:43:28,010
Probably literally no one.

1516
01:43:28,150 --> 01:43:32,680
But people should be able to down the line

1517
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:35,820
if you want to for like literally historical reasons.

1518
01:43:35,820 --> 01:43:36,200
Yep.

1519
01:43:36,660 --> 01:43:38,820
Like we shouldn't lose the entire history

1520
01:43:38,820 --> 01:43:39,780
of video game development.

1521
01:43:39,940 --> 01:43:40,960
That would be really depressing.

1522
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:44,140
Like it's actually a huge deal.

1523
01:43:46,210 --> 01:43:46,730
Yeah.

1524
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:51,910
Just like HardwareBot removed our Y Cruncher world record.

1525
01:43:52,190 --> 01:43:53,150
Yeah, what happened there?

1526
01:43:54,380 --> 01:43:56,600
Well, we released a video recently

1527
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:59,480
setting a world record for calculating

1528
01:43:59,480 --> 01:44:03,020
2.5 billion digits of pi in Y Cruncher.

1529
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:06,700
You guys would have seen us submit the results live,

1530
01:44:06,700 --> 01:44:09,900
but HardwareBot actually removed our score

1531
01:44:09,900 --> 01:44:10,880
from the leaderboards.

1532
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:12,930
Why?

1533
01:44:13,210 --> 01:44:15,030
Is it because they're bad people?

1534
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:19,300
No, it's because we didn't submit the screenshot right

1535
01:44:19,300 --> 01:44:23,800
and we didn't have CPU-Z or GPU-Z open in the screenshot.

1536
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:27,680
So we could actually probably grab a still from the video

1537
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:28,620
and resubmit it.

1538
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:33,180
But I told Adam that that's probably not worth the time

1539
01:44:33,180 --> 01:44:35,500
to set up the server again and run it again

1540
01:44:35,500 --> 01:44:36,740
and like submit it again.

1541
01:44:36,740 --> 01:44:37,980
So we're not going to do that.

1542
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:40,700
It was definitely fun setting some world records

1543
01:44:40,700 --> 01:44:43,000
and I'll know, I'll know we had it.

1544
01:44:44,300 --> 01:44:47,400
But apparently it's unofficial now.

1545
01:44:47,580 --> 01:44:48,120
It's unofficial.

1546
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:48,760
Yeah.

1547
01:44:49,700 --> 01:44:50,420
What's this?

1548
01:44:50,540 --> 01:44:53,420
Linus and Luke react to Linus dropping things 2022 edition?

1549
01:44:53,580 --> 01:44:57,520
So this is kind of an amazing,

1550
01:44:58,220 --> 01:45:00,120
this is a really well edited video.

1551
01:45:00,660 --> 01:45:00,940
Oh.

1552
01:45:02,180 --> 01:45:04,580
It's got, how many views does this have now?

1553
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:05,920
It's kind of ridiculous.

1554
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:08,180
Let me just,

1555
01:45:08,940 --> 01:45:13,940
yeah, 450,000 views.

1556
01:45:13,940 --> 01:45:15,180
Oh, how am I on an account

1557
01:45:15,180 --> 01:45:16,680
that doesn't have premium right now?

1558
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:17,520
Me too.

1559
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:19,350
We're crying out loud.

1560
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:20,850
Oh, oh geez.

1561
01:45:20,850 --> 01:45:21,690
Yeah.

1562
01:45:21,690 --> 01:45:22,530
Here comes another one.

1563
01:45:24,050 --> 01:45:26,410
It's nine and a half minutes long.

1564
01:45:26,410 --> 01:45:27,950
No, no, no, no, no, I skipped it.

1565
01:45:30,740 --> 01:45:31,580
Oh, oh yeah.

1566
01:45:31,580 --> 01:45:32,880
Should I, should we have sound for this?

1567
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:35,840
Do you want to have sound?

1568
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:36,820
Mine, mine is muted.

1569
01:45:36,820 --> 01:45:38,320
I don't know which one of us you're watching.

1570
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:39,160
Oh, him.

1571
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:39,980
Yeah.

1572
01:45:39,980 --> 01:45:40,820
Yeah.

1573
01:45:40,820 --> 01:45:41,660
Ports on this thing.

1574
01:45:41,660 --> 01:45:42,440
We're going with the 12900.

1575
01:45:42,460 --> 01:45:44,870
Let me make sure you guys can hear it.

1576
01:45:44,870 --> 01:45:47,230
Don't worry, I caught it with the foot.

1577
01:45:47,230 --> 01:45:51,390
Because the KS, the KS wasn't out yet.

1578
01:45:51,390 --> 01:45:52,230
Oh, I can hear it.

1579
01:45:52,230 --> 01:45:53,070
Look at that.

1580
01:45:53,070 --> 01:45:53,910
It's awesome.

1581
01:45:53,910 --> 01:45:54,750
I know, right?

1582
01:45:54,750 --> 01:45:56,100
Can you hear it Luke?

1583
01:45:56,100 --> 01:45:56,940
Yes.

1584
01:45:56,940 --> 01:45:58,260
Do you know how to pull the steam back?

1585
01:45:58,260 --> 01:45:59,380
I thought there was something wrong

1586
01:45:59,380 --> 01:46:01,200
and I realized, cause I need to watch that one.

1587
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:02,720
Uh oh, I think I've got an echo from you.

1588
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:03,880
We never, we never work on that.

1589
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:04,720
They don't hear you.

1590
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:05,660
Oh, cool.

1591
01:46:05,660 --> 01:46:07,360
Or like I can text him, whoa.

1592
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:09,160
That was a good one.

1593
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:10,900
Call and tell me a little story.

1594
01:46:10,900 --> 01:46:15,060
Say a little story.

1595
01:46:15,060 --> 01:46:17,020
All right, all right, that's enough of that story.

1596
01:46:17,020 --> 01:46:19,260
This was actually last week, but we missed it.

1597
01:46:19,260 --> 01:46:20,700
And that was not intentional.

1598
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:24,840
Not a word.

1599
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:26,240
That wasn't intentional either.

1600
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:29,400
Not a word.

1601
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:31,740
Anyway, it's too long for us to watch the whole thing

1602
01:46:31,740 --> 01:46:35,520
on WAN Show, but I just, I definitely felt

1603
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:38,380
the comedic timing of the edit was better

1604
01:46:38,380 --> 01:46:40,880
than most of things like this that I've seen.

1605
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:45,760
I thought that Mr. Chicken Banner Lord

1606
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:47,660
did a pretty good job.

1607
01:46:47,660 --> 01:46:48,500
He did a pretty good job.

1608
01:46:48,500 --> 01:46:52,520
So I won't have to DMCA take down you this time.

1609
01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:53,720
This time.

1610
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:55,920
Or ban you.

1611
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:56,760
Yeah.

1612
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:57,600
Yeah.

1613
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:58,760
Yeah.

1614
01:46:58,760 --> 01:46:59,600
Might block you though.

1615
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:01,640
Have I ever really like addressed this publicly?

1616
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:04,960
Like our stance on remixing our clips into other videos?

1617
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:07,080
We have sort of, I think it's always been on WAN Show

1618
01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:08,900
though, but we have sort of.

1619
01:47:08,900 --> 01:47:10,700
Yeah, okay, anyway, we're chill.

1620
01:47:10,700 --> 01:47:11,540
Cause we, if you-

1621
01:47:11,540 --> 01:47:13,360
Yeah.

1622
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:14,480
Context dependent.

1623
01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:15,320
Yeah.

1624
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:18,840
If you are, if you're trying to pass off our footage,

1625
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:20,880
as your own, like say, for example,

1626
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:23,360
if you were to upload a review of a graphics card

1627
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:28,620
and just shamelessly put our B roll into your video,

1628
01:47:28,780 --> 01:47:30,480
I get, I get pretty annoyed by that.

1629
01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:32,060
Yeah, we're not so down with that.

1630
01:47:32,060 --> 01:47:35,160
If you ask in advance, which is very easy to do

1631
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:36,960
because we're not hard to get in touch with,

1632
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:42,370
I have, I think every time said, yep, no problem.

1633
01:47:42,370 --> 01:47:43,850
Just make sure you credit us.

1634
01:47:43,850 --> 01:47:44,690
Contribution.

1635
01:47:44,690 --> 01:47:47,430
Yeah, we just, we want to see like proper credit

1636
01:47:47,430 --> 01:47:49,930
and a link in the video description.

1637
01:47:49,930 --> 01:47:54,560
But other than that, I don't really think we have any,

1638
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:56,460
any rules about it.

1639
01:47:56,460 --> 01:47:57,300
Yeah.

1640
01:47:57,300 --> 01:47:58,140
Not particularly.

1641
01:47:58,140 --> 01:48:00,500
So yeah, we've always been, I think,

1642
01:48:00,500 --> 01:48:02,920
I think pretty, pretty, pretty open

1643
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:04,380
as far as all that stuff goes.

1644
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:09,040
Anyway, I thought this was, I thought it was pretty funny.

1645
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:10,060
I thought they did a good job.

1646
01:48:10,060 --> 01:48:10,900
That was it.

1647
01:48:10,900 --> 01:48:13,750
That was all.

1648
01:48:13,750 --> 01:48:16,900
And then I've got another little side topic here.

1649
01:48:16,900 --> 01:48:20,980
Can we ban apps that copy metadata

1650
01:48:20,980 --> 01:48:22,880
when you try to copy text?

1651
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:23,720
Yeah.

1652
01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:26,880
Also, okay, I want to attach something on this,

1653
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:32,620
which is more of a people pattern thing.

1654
01:48:32,620 --> 01:48:34,540
So that would be great.

1655
01:48:34,540 --> 01:48:38,680
But also I think when you send someone a message

1656
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:42,260
that's like an address or a phone number

1657
01:48:42,260 --> 01:48:47,260
or basically something that you know is going to be copied,

1658
01:48:47,340 --> 01:48:50,680
man, would I love it if it was its own message?

1659
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:54,160
Well, you know, that's actually what started this,

1660
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:59,160
was someone sent me their Wi-Fi SSID and password

1661
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:01,280
in one message on Teams.

1662
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:02,120
Yeah.

1663
01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:03,500
And I tried to copy the password,

1664
01:49:03,500 --> 01:49:09,170
and I was like, I hate this!

1665
01:49:09,170 --> 01:49:10,970
Because for whatever reason,

1666
01:49:10,970 --> 01:49:14,430
Teams and Microsoft's infinite wisdom

1667
01:49:14,430 --> 01:49:18,790
does not allow you to select part of a message and copy it.

1668
01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:21,350
And it is absolutely infuriating.

1669
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:26,150
This trend towards not allowing you to interact

1670
01:49:26,150 --> 01:49:31,630
with text on the screen the way that you would intend to

1671
01:49:32,270 --> 01:49:37,270
started, in my mind, with right-clicking and copying

1672
01:49:37,810 --> 01:49:40,930
a hyperlink in a Google search result

1673
01:49:40,930 --> 01:49:43,530
and it pasting a whole bunch of tracking crap

1674
01:49:44,450 --> 01:49:49,450
progressed to texting apps that will copy like a timestamp

1675
01:49:49,930 --> 01:49:52,370
and username and whatever else when you paste their stuff,

1676
01:49:52,370 --> 01:49:56,070
and also offer no way to just manually select the part

1677
01:49:56,070 --> 01:49:56,590
of the text you want.

1678
01:49:56,590 --> 01:50:03,770
so you so you just you can't paste things where they just need to go and it just adds a bunch of

1679
01:50:03,770 --> 01:50:09,720
clicks for no reason and it's really annoying because a lot of times when you have to

1680
01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:14,920
input into a field that field is often very size restricted yep so now you have to trim the message

1681
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:21,160
in a very size restricted field in some other which is so annoying and then paste it over i've

1682
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:27,680
i've sent people back their own messages but like basically cropped like they'll they'll be like

1683
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:35,280
here's oh no problem but still in the same message here's this information here's this information

1684
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:41,200
here's a bunch more text and i'll just send them back just the like password completely new message

1685
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:46,800
that account name completely new message that and then you copy your own sent message nice

1686
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:51,040
nice it's just it's so it's

1687
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:57,760
so frustrating uh adam says pixel phones can copy text from app switcher that is an utterly

1688
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:06,000
unnecessary solution to a problem that should have never existed yeah that's the that's the issue and

1689
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:15,400
to be to be clear this is not a world-ending problem this is not a huge deal it takes at

1690
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:19,880
most another 10 or 20 seconds to get around this every time i encounter it

1691
01:51:20,650 --> 01:51:21,770
for me it's not about

1692
01:51:21,770 --> 01:51:28,570
how much time it wasted it's about how utterly unnecessary it was just annoying it should have

1693
01:51:28,570 --> 01:51:38,430
never happened there was no reason for it whatsoever yep just makes me mad pretty much

1694
01:51:39,310 --> 01:51:46,600
oh man ah a really good one is you know how uh when someone sends you an address or a phone

1695
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:52,920
number in a lot of text apps you can just like long press and like open in maps i don't know yeah

1696
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:53,720
yeah so

1697
01:51:54,040 --> 01:52:00,260
if that message contains other extraneous crap it doesn't work and okay like i don't know at

1698
01:52:00,260 --> 01:52:05,920
least on Android in just kind of any any text field if you select something that's obviously

1699
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:11,820
a phone number it'll prompt you for the phone as well but no you can't do that in a chat app

1700
01:52:11,820 --> 01:52:15,600
that also has that other stuff because there's no way to select it

1701
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:27,720
like we have these modern conveniences but then we get in our own way no no yep yep i've and like

1702
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:32,840
the thing is i know i've been in all of these scenarios and i feel like everyone else must have

1703
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:37,460
as well yeah because it's just like it's a part of life right now and it's just unnecessary and

1704
01:52:37,460 --> 01:52:45,350
annoying yep i'm pretty happy about dell apparently continuing to push forward their

1705
01:52:45,350 --> 01:52:46,990
modular laptop demo

1706
01:52:47,010 --> 01:52:55,090
denis yeah this is concept luna so this is like a new concept luna modular laptop that can

1707
01:52:55,090 --> 01:53:02,090
apparently be disassembled in 30 seconds whoa so we're gonna watch this here 10 times fewer screws

1708
01:53:02,090 --> 01:53:08,070
what am i looking at here this is another ad you're looking at ads you know what i figured

1709
01:53:08,070 --> 01:53:13,410
it out i figured out why i can't see it because i'm only looking at this yeah i'm only looking

1710
01:53:13,410 --> 01:53:17,110
at the skip button did you notice how he said what am i looking at here because he didn't even

1711
01:53:17,110 --> 01:53:17,410
recognize

1712
01:53:17,410 --> 01:53:23,830
there was an ad he does this and it's crazy like it's not crazy as in he's crazy it's just i i can't

1713
01:53:23,830 --> 01:53:28,370
i like wish i could so i think it's like frustrating that i can't just block them out like

1714
01:53:28,370 --> 01:53:38,940
that here we go check this out whoa 30 seconds let's go man when i used to work with laptops

1715
01:53:38,940 --> 01:53:45,020
all the time this would have been so sweet i know right and what's really cool is they're they're

1716
01:53:45,020 --> 01:53:48,560
pitching like a sustainability sustainability element

1717
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:56,560
to this where when it comes to like refurbishing uh or for large organizations um you know

1718
01:53:56,560 --> 01:54:04,820
reassembling partially working laptops into into full working laptops just fewer of them um

1719
01:54:04,820 --> 01:54:11,760
apparently those qr codes are so that it's like super easy to to test it and identify it so that

1720
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:16,700
you can so you can much more easily do that it's so cool that's awesome this is really awesome yeah

1721
01:54:16,700 --> 01:54:18,560
um so lots of rails and things like that so that's really cool and i think it's really cool and i think

1722
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:18,700
that's really cool and i think it's really cool and i think it's really cool and i think it's really

1723
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:18,800
cool and i think it's really cool and i think it's really cool and i think it's really cool

1724
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:26,880
pogo pins card edge connectors uh no cables no screws nothing no screws if you can eject a sim

1725
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:33,760
tray you can disassemble this laptop what and its thickness is still close to a current year 13 inch

1726
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:40,750
dell latitude with internal volume to spare for higher end components is that wild that is super

1727
01:54:40,750 --> 01:54:47,870
cool now this is not a real product not yet but dell is hinting that we could see elements of

1728
01:54:47,870 --> 01:54:49,550
this of of this project

1729
01:54:49,550 --> 01:54:53,470
this of of this project make their way into real products down the line i suspect you will have

1730
01:54:53,470 --> 01:55:00,110
some screws in a real product maybe maybe you're right but i think some screws are okay some screws

1731
01:55:00,110 --> 01:55:05,550
are okay yeah especially if they're all the same yeah and like i don't necessarily think that

1732
01:55:05,550 --> 01:55:11,550
plastic clips are a better solution than it's neither yeah you know uh give me a good screw and

1733
01:55:11,550 --> 01:55:21,230
uh i'll thank you yeah it's amazing i yeah this is another just like super dumb comment that i read

1734
01:55:21,230 --> 01:55:22,190
yeah it's amazing i yeah this is another just like super dumb comment that i read this week it's just

1735
01:55:22,190 --> 01:55:26,990
like it's just i hate the way that they've gotten so immature and there's so many sex jokes now

1736
01:55:27,870 --> 01:55:32,910
it was always like that we have always been like blink-182 level toilet humor oh yeah

1737
01:55:35,390 --> 01:55:42,830
genuinely always been a thing i have learned nothing i have grown up not at all

1738
01:55:42,830 --> 01:55:47,870
yeah yeah yes ceo but it's just a title still me

1739
01:55:47,870 --> 01:55:55,350
uh the discussion question here is uh thanks Anthony how does Linus feel about his investment

1740
01:55:55,350 --> 01:56:03,690
in framework now good yeah i don't i don't think that was the point yeah 100 i mean even off air

1741
01:56:03,690 --> 01:56:07,830
talking to luke about the investment in framework talking internally to the people here

1742
01:56:07,830 --> 01:56:15,610
i was very clear that my investment in framework was like if it made money i'd be surprised yeah

1743
01:56:15,610 --> 01:56:18,720
i love their mission i love their mission i love their mission i love their mission

1744
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:23,500
love their mission and to be clear dell is still not trying to compete with the framework mission

1745
01:56:23,500 --> 01:56:31,190
they have mentioned nothing about upgrading your chassis like this right it's still super cool

1746
01:56:31,190 --> 01:56:37,510
regardless my framework laptop went from six cores to 12 core 4 to 12 whatever i like dramatically

1747
01:56:37,510 --> 01:56:41,350
upgraded the hardware in that machine without replacing my chassis your screen or speakers or

1748
01:56:41,350 --> 01:56:47,870
touch pad or anything like that it's super cool still um but really what i was investing in was

1749
01:56:47,870 --> 01:56:49,590
the mission to make laptops that are not going to be the same as the ones that are going to be the

1750
01:56:49,590 --> 01:56:56,890
same as laptops less disposable yeah and if if this if if that was what it took to shine a big

1751
01:56:56,890 --> 01:57:03,830
enough light on what framework was doing that dell comes and does it better fine so be it yeah i will

1752
01:57:03,830 --> 01:57:10,970
i will i will kiss that money goodbye um i do i do still think that framework has a solid shot

1753
01:57:10,970 --> 01:57:15,730
i don't know a lot that isn't public information but i do know a little bit

1754
01:57:15,730 --> 01:57:19,500
and i don't want my money back i uh

1755
01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:24,120
i'm pretty happy i'm pretty happy with what they're doing i'm happy with the direction that

1756
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:31,190
they're going but if i lose it all then i guess it's gone and i feel the same way about the

1757
01:57:31,190 --> 01:57:37,530
financial game yeah i the the point was i want these things to exist and it's exactly the same

1758
01:57:37,530 --> 01:57:46,890
with that nas software that i discussed last week i need an easy to use like prosumer nas that

1759
01:57:46,890 --> 01:57:50,890
doesn't suck like it just it has to exist

1760
01:57:51,190 --> 01:57:59,430
i am so tired of cloud being the only user-friendly option other than stupid like one touch backup hard

1761
01:57:59,430 --> 01:58:04,790
drives yeah because you want are not reliable you want to promote people to do their own like

1762
01:58:04,790 --> 01:58:12,470
personal cloud one but then it's it's hard it's hard yeah and i get it i get it you know full-time

1763
01:58:12,470 --> 01:58:17,670
sysadmin part-time home lab user who does this kind of thing in their sleep i understand that

1764
01:58:17,670 --> 01:58:20,390
to you it's not hard to my

1765
01:58:21,190 --> 01:58:28,020
brother-in-law it might as well be brain surgery even for decently technical people yes

1766
01:58:28,020 --> 01:58:32,660
like it's it's still a lot it's non-trivial and it's something that you need to like re-educate

1767
01:58:32,660 --> 01:58:37,860
on constantly which also probably shouldn't really need to be that necessary what's wrong

1768
01:58:37,860 --> 01:58:43,060
with stenology is a great question how about the completely closed ecosystem how about the

1769
01:58:43,620 --> 01:58:50,500
ridiculous pricing yeah you should be able to have a functioning nas for literally zero dollars like

1770
01:58:50,500 --> 01:58:50,900
there is hard training to build a cloud-based system i have to say for a long time which is

1771
01:58:50,900 --> 01:58:56,820
hardware that people actually throw in the garbage that is perfectly capable of running a nas

1772
01:58:56,820 --> 01:59:01,940
operating system and i get it in europe you might not actually want to run that because the power

1773
01:59:01,940 --> 01:59:08,100
efficiency is going to be a killer but if you happen to live somewhere with cheap power why is

1774
01:59:08,100 --> 01:59:15,220
it going into the trash it should still be used why are you gonna throw that working hardware away

1775
01:59:15,220 --> 01:59:21,540
go buy some appliance some overpriced appliance yeah not to mention underpowered in a lot of cases

1776
01:59:22,260 --> 01:59:27,560
that is not upgradable at all and that you're ultimately going to throw in the trash later

1777
01:59:27,560 --> 01:59:33,560
and your data sync it can only go to other well okay this is very old information it's

1778
01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:40,020
complicated okay you knew where i was going with this you can sync to a lot of different

1779
01:59:40,020 --> 01:59:45,300
things but also syncing just to a target like properly is a little

1780
01:59:45,380 --> 01:59:50,020
more complicated to set up okay the point is there's a better way yeah and i want there to

1781
01:59:50,020 --> 01:59:58,360
be a better way yeah yeah pretty much new topic should we should we do more merch messages yeah

1782
01:59:58,360 --> 02:00:02,360
we should do a couple merch messages probably i bet there's a few that are built up here yeah

1783
02:00:03,290 --> 02:00:06,330
yeah i've got some uh potentials you guys should probably have a look at too

1784
02:00:06,330 --> 02:00:10,730
sure i'll go in here from ronald working in the medical imaging field i've seen that a

1785
02:00:10,730 --> 02:00:17,770
lot of imaging data being moved to the cloud and uh he doesn't necessarily agree with it oh no uh we're

1786
02:00:17,850 --> 02:00:20,090
going to have to figure out how to do that but what are your thoughts on medical imaging using

1787
02:00:20,090 --> 02:00:31,660
cloud storage sounds terrible but also i mean this ties in perfectly to what we were just talking

1788
02:00:31,660 --> 02:00:38,540
about so what is every like small independent office supposed to have a full-time i.t person

1789
02:00:38,540 --> 02:00:46,780
to handle their in a lot of cases like regulator uh not endorsed what's the bloody word i'm looking

1790
02:00:46,780 --> 02:00:52,060
enforced like they're they're they're like regulated data storage like compliance

1791
02:00:53,340 --> 02:00:58,740
system like they they can this is what this is what my like company before i started working

1792
02:00:58,740 --> 02:01:04,420
with you was right so who's going to manage their compliance when it comes to safely storing all

1793
02:01:04,420 --> 02:01:13,130
this data in a secure and reliable fashion i mean cloud is the answer uh is it actually safe well

1794
02:01:13,770 --> 02:01:22,760
i don't know i hope so yeah but like what if you could so so one of the one of the things that i've

1795
02:01:22,760 --> 02:01:23,560
told this nazi i don't know i don't know but like what if you could so so one of the one of the things that i've told this nazi

1796
02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:28,120
software developer that i insist exists is a peer-to-peer

1797
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:34,760
yeah a peer-to-peer encrypted backup solution yeah that's great so that if luke and i were each

1798
02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:39,880
running Linus nas or you know whatever it ultimately ends up being called please don't it's

1799
02:01:39,880 --> 02:01:49,400
not it's not it has a name i just said it's close to it okay oh god we don't need to go down that

1800
02:01:49,400 --> 02:01:53,320
path again one knaz um anywho

1801
02:01:53,320 --> 02:02:03,940
sorry okay keep going until if luke and i each had one it should be as simple as entering each

1802
02:02:03,940 --> 02:02:09,060
other's like profile like friending each other essentially and being able to allocate backup

1803
02:02:09,060 --> 02:02:14,500
space to each other that is then encrypted so that even with access to the hardware luke cannot look

1804
02:02:14,500 --> 02:02:20,340
at my files and i can't look at his but we know that our data is safely stored somewhere off-site

1805
02:02:20,340 --> 02:02:24,580
yeah that should not be complicated in the year 2020

1806
02:02:24,660 --> 02:02:37,110
22. that should be like three clicks and if it's not we suck yeah i could totally see that being

1807
02:02:37,110 --> 02:02:44,630
amazing for our professional offices too like if you could just have like dr net i mean this is

1808
02:02:45,270 --> 02:02:52,710
this is in my opinion the biggest problem with uh with like at-home storage for basically

1809
02:02:52,710 --> 02:02:57,670
anybody is if you want to back it up because everyone tells you like oh it's not a backup if

1810
02:02:57,670 --> 02:02:57,830
it's

1811
02:02:58,150 --> 02:02:58,230
not a backup if you want to back it up because everyone tells you like oh it's not a backup if

1812
02:02:58,230 --> 02:02:59,190
it's not a backup if you want to back it up because everyone tells you like oh it's not a backup if

1813
02:02:59,190 --> 02:03:03,830
so you're like oh okay i know i'm not i probably shouldn't use the voice but the reason why i use

1814
02:03:03,830 --> 02:03:09,750
the voice is because a lot of people hear that and then they go cool but i don't really have the

1815
02:03:09,750 --> 02:03:18,460
technical ability or the knowledge or whatever to fix said problem so like great thanks i don't

1816
02:03:18,460 --> 02:03:22,220
know like what am i supposed to do with this information so if you can give them something

1817
02:03:22,220 --> 02:03:28,490
to do with that information yeah that would be awesome that'd be nice uh leo lan asks didn't you

1818
02:03:28,490 --> 02:03:33,210
say that if you have physical access to a server that encryption security doesn't matter anymore

1819
02:03:34,550 --> 02:03:46,250
encrypted data um as long as it is properly encrypted is probably going to be very difficult

1820
02:03:46,250 --> 02:03:52,490
to gain access to at this point in time it's still like as as we said before no security is absolute

1821
02:03:53,290 --> 02:04:00,630
yes i yeah when we've said things like that there's often been context

1822
02:04:00,790 --> 02:04:07,030
around it like for example when we talked about how apple allowed the chinese government to

1823
02:04:07,030 --> 02:04:11,190
dictate which data center all of their chinese customers data was stored in

1824
02:04:14,390 --> 02:04:20,230
what we mean is an entity with extreme capability and extremely long-term access and

1825
02:04:21,510 --> 02:04:31,190
essentially it's a it's a ccp owned data center so come on yeah come on yeah right

1826
02:04:31,990 --> 02:04:39,510
um and in a lot of cases like we're talking about a situation where the way that the like okay

1827
02:04:39,510 --> 02:04:45,750
something like bit locker for example if you had unlimited time and access to an encrypted drive

1828
02:04:45,750 --> 02:04:53,430
you might eventually be able to brute force it but in this case if it's just a dump of encrypted data

1829
02:04:54,310 --> 02:05:03,670
um i don't have the technical expertise to know what it would take to break into it do you know

1830
02:05:03,670 --> 02:05:08,710
anything about that like it seems to be completely honest reading potential merch messages but

1831
02:05:08,710 --> 02:05:14,550
you're talking about breaking encryption on files yeah just on just on just a dump of data in like a

1832
02:05:14,550 --> 02:05:21,270
in a container file if you're if you're taking brute force uh uh if you're taking the the

1833
02:05:21,830 --> 02:05:27,190
attack vector of brute force yeah like as-256 you can somewhat like measure how long that's going to

1834
02:05:27,190 --> 02:05:32,950
take or measure an estimation of how long that will take on average i should say right um if it i mean

1835
02:05:33,670 --> 02:05:38,390
there's always the potential that it guesses it first try uh but like the chance of that is you

1836
02:05:38,390 --> 02:05:43,750
know uh well my password is password so what do you think oh it might get it in the first 50 or

1837
02:05:43,750 --> 02:05:49,030
something yeah um but yeah there's there's some amount of measurable difficulty there for brute

1838
02:05:49,030 --> 02:05:55,270
forcing uh but then you also have to question the ability of removing the lock right right

1839
02:05:55,270 --> 02:06:00,070
uh because you can you can basically always compare any type of security to almost any

1840
02:06:00,070 --> 02:06:03,590
other type of security because they're similar similar attacks right right

1841
02:06:03,670 --> 02:06:10,890
for um yeah yeah there's always the possibility of finding a way to remove the lock or go around

1842
02:06:10,890 --> 02:06:15,770
the door or do whatever basically some way that you don't have to interact with guessing the password

1843
02:06:15,770 --> 02:06:24,660
um so nothing is ever 100 uh if something exists you should not assume that security on it is 100

1844
02:06:25,300 --> 02:06:33,300
if anyone tells you that security on it is 100 uh either they are a fool or you should deeply question

1845
02:06:34,020 --> 02:06:39,430
the motivation that they have for telling you that that's basically it what is this

1846
02:06:51,940 --> 02:06:52,180
yeah

1847
02:06:55,060 --> 02:06:58,100
yeah there's always a way yeah that's great

1848
02:06:59,640 --> 02:07:05,800
um okay hit me again more uh this one's from ryan happy holidays having heard all the recent talk

1849
02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:12,680
about the ai in the media and art how do you view ai in art as it relates to copyright saw a tweet

1850
02:07:12,680 --> 02:07:13,960
thread about this relationship

1851
02:07:14,040 --> 02:07:20,840
so um a lot of people think that the most important thing to an art is the commercial behind the local

1852
02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:25,990
industry um do you think that the most important thing to us as a as a general industry is to

1853
02:07:25,990 --> 02:07:30,230
be able to do a commercial uh baseball um you think that that's a big deal

1854
02:07:30,230 --> 02:07:36,390
yeah definitely sure i think so uh you know as far as i'm concerned i don't think it's a big

1855
02:07:36,390 --> 02:07:40,070
deal and it's a big issue because it's a good question and i'm hoping that you know that the

1856
02:07:40,070 --> 02:07:43,910
normal message of the government might be that you know i'm going to keep doing that but you know

1857
02:07:43,910 --> 02:07:50,550
a few ai things there was a few different comments talking about how uh i seemed quite pro gpt or

1858
02:07:50,550 --> 02:08:03,800
large large language model ai things and i was quite anti art model bots oh okay so i was talking

1859
02:08:03,800 --> 02:08:09,100
about how i didn't like ai art i did and in the same show i was talking about how i did like gpt

1860
02:08:09,100 --> 02:08:14,360
sure and people were saying that that was fairly hypocritical and i think from oh okay watching

1861
02:08:14,360 --> 02:08:19,280
the show and the things that were talked about in the show i think that stance was quite fair

1862
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:26,440
to be completely honest i think part of that reason is because i haven't dove far enough into

1863
02:08:26,440 --> 02:08:30,740
my reasons for that and to be completely transparent a fair amount of my opinion on

1864
02:08:30,740 --> 02:08:36,360
that at that time was basically a vibe check right i hadn't really dove into it enough i have dove

1865
02:08:36,360 --> 02:08:41,720
into it a bit now i still don't think it's enough and i think one of the reasons why it's not enough

1866
02:08:41,720 --> 02:08:43,960
is i think this is actually just a ridiculously

1867
02:08:44,360 --> 02:08:52,700
ridiculously complicated topic well yeah sure like it's it's really really hard um i think

1868
02:08:52,700 --> 02:09:01,980
there are some problems there's lots of problems one of them is that the training depth is highly

1869
02:09:01,980 --> 02:09:08,480
questionable on some of the ai art generators yeah to the point where i have found examples

1870
02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:15,080
where it is trained on one artist and when you ask it to output different things

1871
02:09:15,320 --> 02:09:19,960
it basically just outputs pretty much exactly what that artist did

1872
02:09:20,600 --> 02:09:25,160
yeah um i have also done some stuff i was talking to you about this where i search for a specific

1873
02:09:25,160 --> 02:09:32,440
term that is highly related to an extremely famous piece of art and i've gotten a bunch

1874
02:09:32,440 --> 02:09:39,000
of different ai art generators to output pretty much just the original with some extremely minor

1875
02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:45,160
changes like hey we didn't copy it haha yeah and and this is like i'm talking i'm

1876
02:09:45,320 --> 02:09:51,560
not giving it a ton of terms i'm not being super super hyper specific so that if you asked pretty

1877
02:09:51,560 --> 02:09:57,720
much any human artist to do this they would have output pretty much the exact same thing i'm not

1878
02:09:57,720 --> 02:10:02,840
saying like draw me a cogwheel and pretty much everyone draws the same cogwheel i i'm like or

1879
02:10:02,840 --> 02:10:07,160
i'm not saying draw me a cogwheel at this exact orientation and then but with this many spokes

1880
02:10:07,160 --> 02:10:14,660
all that kind of stuff i'm i'm giving somewhat vague things and not very many okay i'll just

1881
02:10:14,660 --> 02:10:23,850
say the term i said um arab girl green eyes yeah gee i wonder what image you end up with and that's

1882
02:10:23,850 --> 02:10:31,940
all i gave them so it has uh a race it has a color of eyes and it has a gender that's it

1883
02:10:31,940 --> 02:10:40,240
wait you mean this one and that's the i believe that's the original yes um and these ai art

1884
02:10:40,240 --> 02:10:45,360
programs were putting out pretty much that at like you know different angles and stuff

1885
02:10:45,360 --> 02:10:45,540
yeah

1886
02:10:45,540 --> 02:10:51,600
yeah but like oh maybe a different color of you know robe or whatever this was i did this like

1887
02:10:51,600 --> 02:10:55,120
yeah almost immediately after last one so it's been a little while but if i remember correctly

1888
02:10:55,120 --> 02:11:01,040
she has freckles sure and like every single one she had freckles in it i don't know how common

1889
02:11:01,040 --> 02:11:09,390
that is but like wow it was it was afghan i don't know sorry i did this like a week ago i don't

1890
02:11:09,390 --> 02:11:15,050
remember the exact search term um i i lifted basically this scenario from somebody on twitter

1891
02:11:15,050 --> 02:11:16,110
but they deleted their

1892
02:11:16,110 --> 02:11:20,730
post i wanted to share it on the show they they deleted or privated or they did something with

1893
02:11:20,730 --> 02:11:25,130
their post and then i couldn't get it back again uh because i wanted to attribute the they also

1894
02:11:25,130 --> 02:11:29,550
had photos of it happening and they had everything and it was really good but i think they they got

1895
02:11:29,550 --> 02:11:33,610
a bunch of heat from the people that are very pro ai art and they decided to private everything

1896
02:11:33,610 --> 02:11:39,430
which is totally there that's fine but i just wanted to use that and i couldn't so i redid it

1897
02:11:39,430 --> 02:11:45,530
i don't remember exactly what the search terms were anyways that photo was re-spat out by a ton

1898
02:11:45,530 --> 02:11:45,910
of them

1899
02:11:46,110 --> 02:11:49,890
then i dove into it and figured out that there was one particular artist that was upset

1900
02:11:49,890 --> 02:11:58,110
because someone had trained an ai art model off of only their art um and like there's all this

1901
02:11:58,110 --> 02:12:04,070
weird stuff going on i think the ai art space is very murky right now i think there are ways to do

1902
02:12:04,070 --> 02:12:12,400
it right i don't think it's automatically bad yep i think there have been a lot of bad examples

1903
02:12:12,400 --> 02:12:16,700
are we having this conversation less around chat gpt because it is a

1904
02:12:16,780 --> 02:12:25,140
very dangerous thing to do to a product that is more profitable than it is to be able to

1905
02:12:25,140 --> 02:12:26,140
do it yourself

1906
02:12:26,140 --> 02:12:32,900
that's a firm point do you think it's much more profitable than it was before

1907
02:12:32,900 --> 02:12:43,200
i think so i have because writing is another like in danger profession that has uh been i mean been

1908
02:12:43,200 --> 02:12:46,860
under attack for a long time like this is not this is not new i was reading a really interesting

1909
02:12:46,860 --> 02:12:47,800
article recently about how the proliferation of celebrity kids books not just celebrity but also i'm adding this part this was not part of the article but celebrity kids books and also old kids books afterwards and i i think of course some of those books in general that have been criticized by critics bring up a lot of the Uzbekistan people are asking if they just made these kind of nerds books.

1910
02:12:47,800 --> 02:12:52,980
So old kids' books has made it really difficult

1911
02:12:52,980 --> 02:12:55,660
for new artists and new writers

1912
02:12:55,660 --> 02:12:58,080
to break out into the children's literature space

1913
02:12:58,080 --> 02:13:01,040
because why would you go and invest

1914
02:13:01,040 --> 02:13:03,200
in publishing a new artist's book

1915
02:13:03,200 --> 02:13:06,900
when you can just print more copies of The Cat in the Hat?

1916
02:13:07,480 --> 02:13:10,040
Or, you know, I don't even know

1917
02:13:10,040 --> 02:13:12,220
if Martha Stewart has a children's book or whatever,

1918
02:13:12,220 --> 02:13:15,540
but like, or you could just get someone to ghost write

1919
02:13:15,540 --> 02:13:19,040
Martha Stewart counts turkeys or whatever, right?

1920
02:13:19,260 --> 02:13:19,360
Sure.

1921
02:13:20,140 --> 02:13:24,180
And that's so much more likely to end up

1922
02:13:24,180 --> 02:13:27,500
in the checkout aisle at the grocery store

1923
02:13:27,500 --> 02:13:29,380
than some random thing.

1924
02:13:29,500 --> 02:13:31,500
And it's kind of like killing creativity.

1925
02:13:31,640 --> 02:13:33,160
Now, I want to make it very clear.

1926
02:13:34,480 --> 02:13:37,340
The ABCs of Gaming was not a cash grab,

1927
02:13:37,520 --> 02:13:39,260
was not particularly profitable

1928
02:13:39,260 --> 02:13:41,540
compared to what else I could have spent my time on

1929
02:13:41,860 --> 02:13:43,160
for how many we've sold.

1930
02:13:43,260 --> 02:13:44,820
And it's about met my expectations

1931
02:13:44,820 --> 02:13:45,520
in terms of sales.

1932
02:13:45,600 --> 02:13:47,240
And I did not have it ghost written.

1933
02:13:47,380 --> 02:13:49,000
I actually wrote it, every word.

1934
02:13:50,340 --> 02:13:52,280
I'm not saying that that's like hard

1935
02:13:52,280 --> 02:13:54,320
and I'm some kind of like master poet

1936
02:13:54,320 --> 02:13:55,160
or anything like that.

1937
02:13:55,160 --> 02:13:58,660
I'm just saying that it was not just a marketing gimmick

1938
02:13:58,660 --> 02:13:59,200
for the book.

1939
02:13:59,260 --> 02:14:00,680
I just wanted it to exist.

1940
02:14:00,720 --> 02:14:01,340
So I made it.

1941
02:14:01,400 --> 02:14:02,640
That's kind of how we do things.

1942
02:14:03,440 --> 02:14:05,110
But, um,

1943
02:14:07,150 --> 02:14:10,310
Kibrim in Flowplane Chat says,

1944
02:14:10,790 --> 02:14:12,850
Kim Kardashian's Daddy Isn't Feeling Well.

1945
02:14:12,850 --> 02:14:14,070
Is that an actual book?

1946
02:14:15,310 --> 02:14:15,910
Shut up.

1947
02:14:16,050 --> 02:14:16,390
Wait, what?

1948
02:14:23,120 --> 02:14:23,520
No.

1949
02:14:24,020 --> 02:14:24,840
Okay, okay.

1950
02:14:24,920 --> 02:14:25,700
I thought that might,

1951
02:14:25,800 --> 02:14:28,340
I thought that might have actually been

1952
02:14:28,340 --> 02:14:29,560
a children's book.

1953
02:14:29,700 --> 02:14:32,440
Anyway, so the point is that writing

1954
02:14:32,440 --> 02:14:34,240
is another art form

1955
02:14:34,240 --> 02:14:35,740
that has absolutely been under attack.

1956
02:14:35,860 --> 02:14:36,400
And I just, yeah,

1957
02:14:36,440 --> 02:14:38,440
I wonder if the conversation is just different

1958
02:14:38,440 --> 02:14:41,660
because examples of plagiarism

1959
02:14:41,660 --> 02:14:43,760
are so much more difficult

1960
02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:45,260
to point at and go,

1961
02:14:45,380 --> 02:14:46,060
there, that,

1962
02:14:46,380 --> 02:14:48,680
that was obviously trained on that article.

1963
02:14:49,460 --> 02:14:51,840
Yeah, it is far easier with art.

1964
02:14:51,840 --> 02:14:53,420
And that's another thing

1965
02:14:53,420 --> 02:14:55,700
that I came to was like,

1966
02:14:56,580 --> 02:14:58,520
is GPT better

1967
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:00,420
or is it just harder to tell?

1968
02:15:00,720 --> 02:15:03,200
And I have some minor counters to that.

1969
02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:04,880
Uh, someone in Flowplane Chat just said,

1970
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:07,320
I put Afghan Girl Green Eyes into Dolly too,

1971
02:15:07,320 --> 02:15:08,420
and it's super similar.

1972
02:15:08,460 --> 02:15:10,840
It's like, yeah, um,

1973
02:15:12,190 --> 02:15:14,990
code is the one way that I've kind of poked that.

1974
02:15:14,990 --> 02:15:17,410
So something that I started doing was I started looking at,

1975
02:15:17,690 --> 02:15:24,250
um, Googling questions where you would expect a code output and finding the

1976
02:15:24,250 --> 02:15:24,290
topic.

1977
02:15:24,290 --> 02:15:24,390
Um, Googling questions where you would expect a code output and finding the topic.

1978
02:15:24,390 --> 02:15:31,960
So I started looking at the top responses and then asking GPT chat the same question and getting a different response.

1979
02:15:32,020 --> 02:15:32,740
Oh, okay.

1980
02:15:33,220 --> 02:15:34,640
That did happen.

1981
02:15:35,260 --> 02:15:36,000
But,

1982
02:15:36,620 --> 02:15:37,280
but,

1983
02:15:37,480 --> 02:15:39,540
and I haven't gotten a bunch of this produced.

1984
02:15:40,120 --> 02:15:41,220
And this is where I'm saying like,

1985
02:15:41,220 --> 02:15:42,400
this is not an end,

1986
02:15:42,500 --> 02:15:44,320
a finalized conversation.

1987
02:15:44,320 --> 02:15:48,580
And I'm very interested in people continuing to dive into these things.

1988
02:15:48,840 --> 02:15:54,280
Um, and I think it matters because I think pretty much now is when we need to figure out how all this stuff is going to work.

1989
02:15:54,280 --> 02:15:54,440
Yeah.

1990
02:15:54,440 --> 02:16:00,400
Um, but I have heard claims that people have gotten code outputs,

1991
02:16:00,840 --> 02:16:03,580
uh, and then people have asked it to,

1992
02:16:03,620 --> 02:16:03,920
or they,

1993
02:16:03,920 --> 02:16:12,700
they got code outputs and they asked it to include comments and the comments included unique things from like people who wrote original code that was highly related,

1994
02:16:13,360 --> 02:16:14,740
uh, like names and stuff.

1995
02:16:15,400 --> 02:16:16,060
Oh, weird.

1996
02:16:16,100 --> 02:16:17,980
I have never seen,

1997
02:16:18,240 --> 02:16:20,200
I've never seen an example of that,

1998
02:16:20,260 --> 02:16:22,300
which has me a little sus.

1999
02:16:22,440 --> 02:16:22,780
Right.

2000
02:16:22,780 --> 02:16:23,000
Okay.

2001
02:16:23,000 --> 02:16:23,560
Um,

2002
02:16:23,880 --> 02:16:24,760
because almost,

2003
02:16:24,760 --> 02:16:25,720
every time anyone's like,

2004
02:16:25,720 --> 02:16:25,900
Oh,

2005
02:16:25,900 --> 02:16:26,400
look at this thing,

2006
02:16:26,400 --> 02:16:31,540
GPT did they have screenshotted and I have not seen screenshots of this,

2007
02:16:31,720 --> 02:16:32,680
but I have heard of it.

2008
02:16:32,680 --> 02:16:33,000
Screenshot,

2009
02:16:33,000 --> 02:16:33,600
even if you had,

2010
02:16:33,600 --> 02:16:34,900
it could easily be faked.

2011
02:16:34,900 --> 02:16:35,680
So that's that too,

2012
02:16:35,680 --> 02:16:36,820
especially with text,

2013
02:16:37,080 --> 02:16:38,320
because you can just inspect element and just,

2014
02:16:39,060 --> 02:16:39,640
um,

2015
02:16:39,980 --> 02:16:41,440
and people have done that with GPT.

2016
02:16:41,440 --> 02:16:42,140
I know that for sure.

2017
02:16:42,580 --> 02:16:46,180
I was planning to come on this show and talk about how GPT had been,

2018
02:16:46,720 --> 02:16:47,560
uh,

2019
02:16:47,740 --> 02:16:48,040
uh,

2020
02:16:48,040 --> 02:16:51,140
like cut down very substantially and what it was able to do.

2021
02:16:51,640 --> 02:16:52,300
And then,

2022
02:16:52,420 --> 02:16:52,840
uh,

2023
02:16:52,960 --> 02:16:54,520
literally yesterday,

2024
02:16:54,760 --> 02:16:58,480
they like patched it and now it's not.

2025
02:16:58,720 --> 02:17:00,410
So I don't know.

2026
02:17:01,970 --> 02:17:02,550
I was like,

2027
02:17:02,550 --> 02:17:04,710
going to come on the show and complain about how it just tells you,

2028
02:17:04,710 --> 02:17:06,050
it can't do any things all the time.

2029
02:17:06,290 --> 02:17:07,910
And then you have to fight it to get it to do it.

2030
02:17:08,070 --> 02:17:09,170
And then they updated it.

2031
02:17:09,230 --> 02:17:10,710
And part of the patch notes is like,

2032
02:17:10,710 --> 02:17:13,170
it will do things more often instead of saying that it can't.

2033
02:17:13,190 --> 02:17:13,550
And I'm like,

2034
02:17:13,550 --> 02:17:13,850
Oh,

2035
02:17:14,550 --> 02:17:15,050
all right.

2036
02:17:15,170 --> 02:17:15,330
Well,

2037
02:17:15,330 --> 02:17:15,830
that's cool.

2038
02:17:16,130 --> 02:17:16,430
Um,

2039
02:17:16,430 --> 02:17:16,970
so yeah,

2040
02:17:16,970 --> 02:17:17,390
I don't know.

2041
02:17:17,390 --> 02:17:17,810
It's a,

2042
02:17:17,810 --> 02:17:20,760
it's a really complicated question.

2043
02:17:20,940 --> 02:17:21,440
Um,

2044
02:17:21,660 --> 02:17:24,360
does making it so that your model,

2045
02:17:24,360 --> 02:17:24,720
um,

2046
02:17:24,720 --> 02:17:29,670
model is trained off of everything instead of one person,

2047
02:17:29,670 --> 02:17:30,490
make it better.

2048
02:17:30,930 --> 02:17:31,290
Uh,

2049
02:17:32,840 --> 02:17:35,060
or does that just make it more plagiarized?

2050
02:17:35,300 --> 02:17:35,840
Yeah.

2051
02:17:37,680 --> 02:17:38,120
Yeah.

2052
02:17:38,120 --> 02:17:38,660
I'm not sure.

2053
02:17:38,820 --> 02:17:39,080
I,

2054
02:17:39,080 --> 02:17:39,500
my,

2055
02:17:39,500 --> 02:17:41,060
my gut kind of says,

2056
02:17:41,480 --> 02:17:43,080
I don't know if it makes it okay,

2057
02:17:43,220 --> 02:17:48,200
but it does feel a little bit better because when I saw the AI art model

2058
02:17:48,620 --> 02:17:50,980
that was trained off of one person,

2059
02:17:52,990 --> 02:17:53,530
that,

2060
02:17:53,530 --> 02:17:55,630
that was gross to me.

2061
02:17:55,630 --> 02:18:03,010
That was like really not cool or okay at all because you were genuinely getting very similar things.

2062
02:18:03,910 --> 02:18:06,030
And I'm not just saying this to defend the artist.

2063
02:18:06,190 --> 02:18:08,590
The originals were definitely better.

2064
02:18:08,950 --> 02:18:09,970
They were clearly better.

2065
02:18:10,210 --> 02:18:12,670
You could see that there was a vision for it.

2066
02:18:12,670 --> 02:18:15,010
There was an idea for it and it was more actualized.

2067
02:18:15,010 --> 02:18:17,390
Like this is someone who's clearly very good at art.

2068
02:18:17,770 --> 02:18:18,370
Um,

2069
02:18:19,570 --> 02:18:22,030
but the AI art was pretty good.

2070
02:18:22,270 --> 02:18:23,890
If I hadn't seen the originals,

2071
02:18:24,610 --> 02:18:26,150
I would have thought the AI art was like,

2072
02:18:26,150 --> 02:18:26,870
really solid,

2073
02:18:26,990 --> 02:18:27,290
you know?

2074
02:18:27,410 --> 02:18:32,340
So I don't even remember what the original question was,

2075
02:18:32,380 --> 02:18:34,640
but the original question was Linus,

2076
02:18:34,640 --> 02:18:39,840
can you clarify what's going on with the cost of BYOC tickets at LTX 2023?

2077
02:18:41,260 --> 02:18:42,140
I screwed that up.

2078
02:18:42,420 --> 02:18:42,960
Um,

2079
02:18:43,080 --> 02:18:47,400
the BYOC ticket is supposed to include admission for the two days.

2080
02:18:47,440 --> 02:18:47,980
Whoa.

2081
02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:51,120
So I told Chase that's too cheap and we are changing the price.

2082
02:18:51,140 --> 02:18:51,300
Yeah.

2083
02:18:51,300 --> 02:18:52,440
I was going to say that's really,

2084
02:18:52,440 --> 02:18:52,680
yeah,

2085
02:18:52,680 --> 02:18:55,380
that was like very not good pricing for it.

2086
02:18:55,580 --> 02:18:56,100
Um,

2087
02:18:56,200 --> 02:18:56,740
anyway,

2088
02:18:56,780 --> 02:18:57,580
and that's also,

2089
02:18:57,820 --> 02:18:58,200
uh,

2090
02:18:58,260 --> 02:18:58,720
if it,

2091
02:18:58,720 --> 02:19:00,360
if it helps Chase to feel better,

2092
02:19:00,440 --> 02:19:02,280
I don't think that's how that normally works.

2093
02:19:02,580 --> 02:19:03,420
Like for,

2094
02:19:03,420 --> 02:19:04,020
for PAX,

2095
02:19:04,020 --> 02:19:08,600
you have to buy a pass to the event and then you also get your BYOC badge.

2096
02:19:08,600 --> 02:19:08,980
Yeah.

2097
02:19:09,020 --> 02:19:11,280
So any who we're getting it sorted out,

2098
02:19:11,280 --> 02:19:11,940
stay tuned.

2099
02:19:12,180 --> 02:19:12,540
Uh,

2100
02:19:12,540 --> 02:19:14,440
but on the subject of art,

2101
02:19:14,440 --> 02:19:14,580
see,

2102
02:19:14,580 --> 02:19:15,420
I'm going to bring it back there.

2103
02:19:15,420 --> 02:19:15,660
Hey,

2104
02:19:15,660 --> 02:19:16,080
there we go.

2105
02:19:16,140 --> 02:19:18,540
I get to show you guys the,

2106
02:19:18,600 --> 02:19:18,840
uh,

2107
02:19:18,840 --> 02:19:23,280
draft branding for Orca and dolphin packages.

2108
02:19:24,470 --> 02:19:24,870
Oops.

2109
02:19:26,040 --> 02:19:26,640
Um,

2110
02:19:26,700 --> 02:19:26,860
Oh,

2111
02:19:26,860 --> 02:19:27,960
that is so sweet.

2112
02:19:27,960 --> 02:19:33,000
So we have whales orcas and dolphins.

2113
02:19:33,000 --> 02:19:33,120
Oh,

2114
02:19:33,120 --> 02:19:34,500
the dolphins don't get a chain.

2115
02:19:34,540 --> 02:19:34,680
Oh,

2116
02:19:34,680 --> 02:19:35,040
I see.

2117
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:39,780
So it goes chain with the dollar thing and then it's just chain.

2118
02:19:39,780 --> 02:19:40,560
And then it's no chain.

2119
02:19:40,620 --> 02:19:40,920
Yeah.

2120
02:19:41,340 --> 02:19:42,780
I asked glasses though.

2121
02:19:42,900 --> 02:19:45,340
I asked Sarah to do more like,

2122
02:19:45,360 --> 02:19:45,700
um,

2123
02:19:45,700 --> 02:19:46,800
like Oakley,

2124
02:19:47,200 --> 02:19:47,640
like,

2125
02:19:47,640 --> 02:19:47,820
uh,

2126
02:19:47,820 --> 02:19:49,520
like beach douchebag,

2127
02:19:49,840 --> 02:19:50,400
um,

2128
02:19:50,400 --> 02:19:51,540
sunglasses on this one.

2129
02:19:51,960 --> 02:19:52,980
And she,

2130
02:19:53,340 --> 02:19:57,780
she thinks that those look stupid and doesn't want to put them on the dolphin.

2131
02:19:57,960 --> 02:19:58,560
But I was like,

2132
02:19:58,560 --> 02:19:58,720
yeah,

2133
02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:00,180
but dolphins are assholes.

2134
02:20:00,200 --> 02:20:01,020
So like,

2135
02:20:01,780 --> 02:20:03,240
I tell you what,

2136
02:20:03,240 --> 02:20:04,200
please humor me,

2137
02:20:05,100 --> 02:20:09,420
draw it on and then we can fight it out with the AB in our

2138
02:20:09,420 --> 02:20:09,900
next,

2139
02:20:10,020 --> 02:20:11,040
in our next meeting.

2140
02:20:11,040 --> 02:20:12,020
And she was like,

2141
02:20:12,600 --> 02:20:13,080
okay.

2142
02:20:13,980 --> 02:20:14,900
So I think,

2143
02:20:15,200 --> 02:20:16,280
I think we'll get to,

2144
02:20:16,320 --> 02:20:17,840
we'll get to see that sometime soon.

2145
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:18,300
Cool.

2146
02:20:18,360 --> 02:20:18,600
Uh,

2147
02:20:18,600 --> 02:20:20,360
in other internal news,

2148
02:20:20,540 --> 02:20:20,760
uh,

2149
02:20:20,760 --> 02:20:24,260
Floatplane exclusives will be going up.

2150
02:20:24,360 --> 02:20:24,540
Well,

2151
02:20:24,540 --> 02:20:27,960
at least one will be going up on LMG clips,

2152
02:20:28,020 --> 02:20:29,220
as an experiment.

2153
02:20:29,340 --> 02:20:30,840
We're going to run one of them,

2154
02:20:31,140 --> 02:20:33,840
the behind the scenes from our shoot with nerd forge,

2155
02:20:34,120 --> 02:20:36,100
and it will be available for 48 hours.

2156
02:20:36,100 --> 02:20:38,400
If you guys like seeing a little bit of Floatplane on YouTube,

2157
02:20:38,640 --> 02:20:41,980
the idea here is to use it as a promotional mechanism for Floatplane.

2158
02:20:41,980 --> 02:20:43,120
So you guys can see it and go,

2159
02:20:43,120 --> 02:20:43,740
oh,

2160
02:20:43,740 --> 02:20:46,720
there's like hours and hours and hours and hours of more stuff like this on

2161
02:20:46,720 --> 02:20:47,160
Floatplane.

2162
02:20:47,160 --> 02:20:47,340
Oh,

2163
02:20:47,340 --> 02:20:47,780
cool.

2164
02:20:47,780 --> 02:20:50,200
And we can sign up because that's a little old at this point.

2165
02:20:50,340 --> 02:20:51,420
It's great at this point,

2166
02:20:51,540 --> 02:20:52,620
but it's a little older at this point.

2167
02:20:52,780 --> 02:20:52,960
Yeah.

2168
02:20:52,960 --> 02:20:53,760
Yeah.

2169
02:20:55,300 --> 02:20:58,120
We actually have way too many topics this week.

2170
02:20:58,300 --> 02:20:58,780
There's a lot.

2171
02:20:58,780 --> 02:20:59,140
Um,

2172
02:20:59,140 --> 02:21:01,480
I think we might have to kind of call it there and just,

2173
02:21:01,480 --> 02:21:01,660
uh,

2174
02:21:01,660 --> 02:21:03,820
go to Q and a and what time is it?

2175
02:21:03,860 --> 02:21:04,120
Yeah,

2176
02:21:04,120 --> 02:21:07,640
it's we're very deep into the show and I have to pee.

2177
02:21:07,740 --> 02:21:10,300
So that's going to be our limiter here.

2178
02:21:11,170 --> 02:21:11,450
All right.

2179
02:21:11,450 --> 02:21:12,270
Here's another one from,

2180
02:21:12,270 --> 02:21:13,370
uh,

2181
02:21:13,370 --> 02:21:14,150
it's Danny.

2182
02:21:14,250 --> 02:21:14,750
Uh,

2183
02:21:14,750 --> 02:21:18,410
first check cleared for my first real it job.

2184
02:21:18,450 --> 02:21:19,130
Nice.

2185
02:21:19,310 --> 02:21:22,090
Getting a backpack to be my work slash tool bag,

2186
02:21:22,150 --> 02:21:23,530
a question for Linus or Luke.

2187
02:21:23,570 --> 02:21:27,110
Have there been any recent gaming publishers slash developers that you've

2188
02:21:27,110 --> 02:21:29,250
committed to boycott my library?

2189
02:21:29,310 --> 02:21:30,930
Is getting thin with no Activision,

2190
02:21:30,930 --> 02:21:31,430
Blizzard,

2191
02:21:31,650 --> 02:21:32,130
EA,

2192
02:21:32,130 --> 02:21:34,110
riot or Ubisoft games.

2193
02:21:35,250 --> 02:21:38,430
You have a fantastic opportunity to start playing indie games.

2194
02:21:38,670 --> 02:21:39,750
Yeah.

2195
02:21:40,650 --> 02:21:41,150
Wow.

2196
02:21:41,190 --> 02:21:42,770
That's pretty thin.

2197
02:21:42,930 --> 02:21:43,590
Um,

2198
02:21:44,030 --> 02:21:45,150
not me personally.

2199
02:21:47,050 --> 02:21:47,550
Um,

2200
02:21:47,830 --> 02:21:49,770
I wish I was as principled as that,

2201
02:21:49,810 --> 02:21:50,990
but I,

2202
02:21:51,010 --> 02:21:53,490
I can't say that in my line of work,

2203
02:21:53,490 --> 02:21:57,470
I even necessarily have the luxury of not buying games from a particular

2204
02:21:57,470 --> 02:21:58,050
developer.

2205
02:21:58,490 --> 02:21:59,530
Like I'm not going to go,

2206
02:21:59,530 --> 02:21:59,890
well,

2207
02:21:59,890 --> 02:22:03,270
we're just never going to benchmark anything from Ubisoft.

2208
02:22:03,310 --> 02:22:03,870
Um,

2209
02:22:05,090 --> 02:22:05,790
and that's,

2210
02:22:05,790 --> 02:22:06,230
you know what,

2211
02:22:06,230 --> 02:22:06,530
that's,

2212
02:22:06,530 --> 02:22:07,430
that's weak,

2213
02:22:07,550 --> 02:22:07,970
right?

2214
02:22:08,090 --> 02:22:10,130
Like that's a weak sauce take.

2215
02:22:10,450 --> 02:22:11,330
I'll own it.

2216
02:22:11,510 --> 02:22:12,050
Um,

2217
02:22:12,070 --> 02:22:14,290
because a more principled take would be,

2218
02:22:14,290 --> 02:22:14,570
no,

2219
02:22:14,570 --> 02:22:15,590
I strongly,

2220
02:22:15,950 --> 02:22:20,510
I strongly disagree with the way X company treats Y members of their

2221
02:22:20,510 --> 02:22:21,230
team or,

2222
02:22:21,230 --> 02:22:22,190
or whatever else.

2223
02:22:22,190 --> 02:22:23,090
And I am,

2224
02:22:23,090 --> 02:22:24,490
I'm drawing a line in the sand.

2225
02:22:24,490 --> 02:22:26,330
We will just not acknowledge them in any way.

2226
02:22:26,810 --> 02:22:27,430
Um,

2227
02:22:28,380 --> 02:22:28,740
uh,

2228
02:22:28,740 --> 02:22:29,540
but I'm weak.

2229
02:22:31,070 --> 02:22:31,730
I have,

2230
02:22:31,730 --> 02:22:32,630
I have put,

2231
02:22:32,790 --> 02:22:36,770
I have put content that will appeal to the people who will

2232
02:22:36,770 --> 02:22:39,570
play those games and will buy those games.

2233
02:22:39,590 --> 02:22:40,010
Um,

2234
02:22:40,010 --> 02:22:42,350
I have put that first in this case.

2235
02:22:44,600 --> 02:22:44,840
Okay.

2236
02:22:44,840 --> 02:22:46,060
Here's another one from Corbin.

2237
02:22:46,500 --> 02:22:50,240
How long do you think X 86 is a long for this world?

2238
02:22:50,500 --> 02:22:54,260
My understanding that it's their instruction set is getting very bloated and

2239
02:22:54,260 --> 02:22:56,960
would PC building survive such a drastic change?

2240
02:22:58,620 --> 02:22:59,040
I mean,

2241
02:22:59,040 --> 02:23:03,260
Anthony did a video a little while back that was called build a PC while you

2242
02:23:03,260 --> 02:23:04,160
still can.

2243
02:23:04,160 --> 02:23:09,080
And I think he does a pretty good job of actually addressing this very issue

2244
02:23:09,080 --> 02:23:11,000
because even if X 86 sticks around,

2245
02:23:11,000 --> 02:23:18,030
it's very clear that more tightly integrated components have not only cost

2246
02:23:18,030 --> 02:23:19,490
advantages for manufacturers,

2247
02:23:19,490 --> 02:23:21,410
but also practical advantages.

2248
02:23:21,410 --> 02:23:21,590
I mean,

2249
02:23:21,590 --> 02:23:25,370
we talked earlier on the show about how beneficial it can be to put DRAM

2250
02:23:25,370 --> 02:23:27,590
extremely close to a CPU die.

2251
02:23:28,550 --> 02:23:29,030
Well,

2252
02:23:29,030 --> 02:23:31,070
that ain't changing anytime soon.

2253
02:23:31,070 --> 02:23:32,690
And as we,

2254
02:23:32,690 --> 02:23:33,230
as we,

2255
02:23:33,230 --> 02:23:38,030
as we start to build interconnects with higher and higher and higher speeds,

2256
02:23:38,390 --> 02:23:38,610
uh,

2257
02:23:38,610 --> 02:23:40,910
like we saw with the Dell cam video,

2258
02:23:40,970 --> 02:23:41,930
did you happen to see that?

2259
02:23:42,450 --> 02:23:42,650
Uh,

2260
02:23:42,650 --> 02:23:47,330
Dell created a new standard for a laptop memory modules that allows the,

2261
02:23:48,010 --> 02:23:52,250
that allows the DRAM packages to get closer to the CPU so that we can actually

2262
02:23:52,250 --> 02:23:54,110
hit DDR5 speeds,

2263
02:23:55,350 --> 02:23:57,810
um,

2264
02:23:57,810 --> 02:23:58,650
without,

2265
02:23:58,650 --> 02:23:58,830
well,

2266
02:23:58,830 --> 02:23:59,070
sorry,

2267
02:23:59,070 --> 02:23:59,890
where was I going with this?

2268
02:24:00,130 --> 02:24:00,370
Right.

2269
02:24:00,370 --> 02:24:02,370
So we can hit DDR5 speeds,

2270
02:24:02,550 --> 02:24:02,670
uh,

2271
02:24:02,670 --> 02:24:04,890
without losing the modularity that comes with,

2272
02:24:04,890 --> 02:24:05,010
uh,

2273
02:24:05,010 --> 02:24:06,630
removable module.

2274
02:24:06,630 --> 02:24:09,150
So they don't just have to solder the bloody things to the board.

2275
02:24:09,630 --> 02:24:10,650
And I think,

2276
02:24:10,650 --> 02:24:10,950
yeah,

2277
02:24:10,950 --> 02:24:11,190
we're,

2278
02:24:11,190 --> 02:24:12,870
we're going to see more and more integration.

2279
02:24:12,870 --> 02:24:16,410
So regardless of how long X 86 is for this world,

2280
02:24:16,410 --> 02:24:17,230
I,

2281
02:24:17,230 --> 02:24:20,130
I think there's going to be some challenges ahead for custom PC building for

2282
02:24:20,130 --> 02:24:22,670
sure.

2283
02:24:22,670 --> 02:24:23,090
Okay.

2284
02:24:23,090 --> 02:24:23,450
And,

2285
02:24:23,450 --> 02:24:23,630
uh,

2286
02:24:23,630 --> 02:24:24,890
last one I've got here is from Tristan.

2287
02:24:25,130 --> 02:24:25,670
Hi guys.

2288
02:24:25,670 --> 02:24:26,150
First,

2289
02:24:26,150 --> 02:24:26,470
Luke,

2290
02:24:26,470 --> 02:24:29,270
can you finish explaining how the stream is distributed?

2291
02:24:29,450 --> 02:24:31,470
Second Linus Linux,

2292
02:24:31,670 --> 02:24:32,630
I'm waiting to,

2293
02:24:32,630 --> 02:24:33,030
uh,

2294
02:24:33,030 --> 02:24:36,470
I'm waiting on a rack mounted gaming chassis on the store.

2295
02:24:36,510 --> 02:24:36,570
No,

2296
02:24:36,590 --> 02:24:37,250
no time soon.

2297
02:24:37,250 --> 02:24:38,450
No progress updates,

2298
02:24:38,490 --> 02:24:38,990
none.

2299
02:24:39,470 --> 02:24:39,890
Sorry.

2300
02:24:41,120 --> 02:24:41,360
Uh,

2301
02:24:41,360 --> 02:24:41,600
yeah,

2302
02:24:41,600 --> 02:24:43,220
it w it wasn't all that complicated.

2303
02:24:43,220 --> 02:24:47,480
Basically I was just describing that we have our own restreaming service

2304
02:24:47,480 --> 02:24:48,620
in house basically.

2305
02:24:48,800 --> 02:24:50,360
So when we stream from here,

2306
02:24:50,560 --> 02:24:53,160
we're actually streaming to a Floatplane server,

2307
02:24:53,360 --> 02:24:57,560
and then the Floatplane server redistributes to Facebook,

2308
02:24:57,620 --> 02:24:58,340
Twitch,

2309
02:24:58,400 --> 02:24:59,320
YouTube,

2310
02:24:59,520 --> 02:25:01,400
and also Floatplane and also Floatplane.

2311
02:25:01,920 --> 02:25:02,520
I think that's it.

2312
02:25:02,760 --> 02:25:03,280
That's it.

2313
02:25:03,320 --> 02:25:04,480
Do we support Twitter?

2314
02:25:05,290 --> 02:25:05,590
No,

2315
02:25:06,280 --> 02:25:07,080
I thought we did at some point.

2316
02:25:07,080 --> 02:25:08,900
Did you guys ever experiment with that?

2317
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:10,460
I think you asked me to,

2318
02:25:10,460 --> 02:25:12,220
and I think I decided no.

2319
02:25:15,360 --> 02:25:18,480
So I'm not the only one who doesn't listen.

2320
02:25:19,200 --> 02:25:19,640
Yeah,

2321
02:25:20,740 --> 02:25:21,400
that's fair enough.

2322
02:25:21,760 --> 02:25:23,080
In this case you were listening.

2323
02:25:27,700 --> 02:25:28,120
I don't,

2324
02:25:28,120 --> 02:25:28,720
I don't remember.

2325
02:25:28,720 --> 02:25:30,160
I think I'm trying to remember.

2326
02:25:30,200 --> 02:25:31,200
AJ would remember.

2327
02:25:31,460 --> 02:25:35,380
I think we might've looked into it and it was like possible,

2328
02:25:35,380 --> 02:25:37,720
but annoying or something.

2329
02:25:37,920 --> 02:25:38,800
I don't remember what it was.

2330
02:25:38,800 --> 02:25:39,200
Sure.

2331
02:25:39,520 --> 02:25:41,010
I'm over it.

2332
02:25:41,010 --> 02:25:42,710
It's also very possible that I was just like,

2333
02:25:42,710 --> 02:25:43,550
no,

2334
02:25:45,450 --> 02:25:46,430
but I don't know.

2335
02:25:48,160 --> 02:25:48,640
David E.

2336
02:25:48,640 --> 02:25:48,860
No,

2337
02:25:48,860 --> 02:25:49,280
I'm sorry.

2338
02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:51,620
I don't have any hot takes on virtual desktops.

2339
02:25:51,620 --> 02:25:52,780
Latest quest update,

2340
02:25:53,020 --> 02:25:56,180
which requires an internet connection apparently because of piracy.

2341
02:25:56,620 --> 02:25:56,860
I mean,

2342
02:25:56,860 --> 02:25:58,780
I guess that's pretty obnoxious,

2343
02:25:58,780 --> 02:26:00,640
but nope.

2344
02:26:00,880 --> 02:26:01,480
Sorry.

2345
02:26:02,850 --> 02:26:03,770
Philippe asks,

2346
02:26:03,770 --> 02:26:08,370
is it true that most of the AMD AIBs will be reusing their huge heat sync

2347
02:26:08,370 --> 02:26:09,710
designs from the 4080 and 4090?

2348
02:26:09,710 --> 02:26:10,090
Yeah,

2349
02:26:10,090 --> 02:26:13,570
90 for 7,900 XT and XTX designs,

2350
02:26:13,570 --> 02:26:15,910
leaving us with incredibly overbuilt heat sinks.

2351
02:26:16,690 --> 02:26:19,000
I doubt.

2352
02:26:19,000 --> 02:26:19,240
Well,

2353
02:26:19,240 --> 02:26:19,480
okay.

2354
02:26:19,480 --> 02:26:20,260
So there's a couple of things.

2355
02:26:20,260 --> 02:26:20,720
One,

2356
02:26:20,720 --> 02:26:21,100
no,

2357
02:26:21,100 --> 02:26:23,200
they will not be reusing exactly the same design.

2358
02:26:23,200 --> 02:26:24,760
There will be new design work,

2359
02:26:24,980 --> 02:26:28,900
but be a lot of the technologies that they invest in,

2360
02:26:28,900 --> 02:26:30,400
whether it's to do like a,

2361
02:26:30,700 --> 02:26:33,940
a direct heat pipe on chip,

2362
02:26:34,040 --> 02:26:34,500
you know,

2363
02:26:34,500 --> 02:26:39,540
cooler design or whether it's tooling to build a new kind of shroud or

2364
02:26:39,540 --> 02:26:40,080
whatever else,

2365
02:26:40,080 --> 02:26:42,660
they're absolutely going to reuse that to the greatest degree that they

2366
02:26:42,660 --> 02:26:43,440
possibly can.

2367
02:26:43,580 --> 02:26:45,300
So I think you'll see a lot of similarities.

2368
02:26:46,370 --> 02:26:47,210
Andrew asks,

2369
02:26:47,270 --> 02:26:47,450
Hey,

2370
02:26:47,450 --> 02:26:48,130
when team,

2371
02:26:48,190 --> 02:26:53,070
if you could have any person living or dead receive and review an LTT

2372
02:26:53,070 --> 02:26:54,490
store.com product,

2373
02:26:54,950 --> 02:26:58,250
who would you choose and which product would you want them to check out?

2374
02:26:59,180 --> 02:27:00,300
Billy Mays.

2375
02:27:03,580 --> 02:27:05,040
You don't have anything that's slap powered.

2376
02:27:05,040 --> 02:27:05,280
Oh wait,

2377
02:27:05,280 --> 02:27:05,400
no,

2378
02:27:05,400 --> 02:27:06,280
that's different person.

2379
02:27:06,320 --> 02:27:06,560
Yeah.

2380
02:27:06,560 --> 02:27:08,140
And what did he do?

2381
02:27:08,280 --> 02:27:09,180
He did a ton of stuff.

2382
02:27:09,180 --> 02:27:10,680
He did a ton of stuff,

2383
02:27:10,680 --> 02:27:11,020
man,

2384
02:27:11,020 --> 02:27:11,460
man.

2385
02:27:11,460 --> 02:27:12,960
I'd want Billy Mays to check out,

2386
02:27:12,960 --> 02:27:13,140
man.

2387
02:27:13,140 --> 02:27:14,200
What would amaze Billy Mays?

2388
02:27:14,220 --> 02:27:15,640
I'd want him to do the screwdriver.

2389
02:27:16,380 --> 02:27:17,220
Billy Mays here.

2390
02:27:17,220 --> 02:27:18,020
And I've got the LTC.

2391
02:27:18,300 --> 02:27:18,660
Oh,

2392
02:27:18,740 --> 02:27:19,380
it'd be great.

2393
02:27:19,380 --> 02:27:20,240
It'd be glorious.

2394
02:27:22,140 --> 02:27:23,100
I don't know.

2395
02:27:23,100 --> 02:27:23,780
I have no idea.

2396
02:27:23,880 --> 02:27:24,520
I'd be so happy.

2397
02:27:24,520 --> 02:27:26,020
I didn't be all positive.

2398
02:27:26,020 --> 02:27:26,400
I mean,

2399
02:27:26,780 --> 02:27:26,960
you know,

2400
02:27:26,960 --> 02:27:28,180
he never crapped on anything.

2401
02:27:29,470 --> 02:27:33,590
It'd be kind of cool to find like the person who first invented any

2402
02:27:33,590 --> 02:27:38,010
form of screwdriver and get them to check out like this is far.

2403
02:27:38,010 --> 02:27:38,130
We,

2404
02:27:38,130 --> 02:27:39,410
this is what we have now.

2405
02:27:39,470 --> 02:27:39,890
Yeah.

2406
02:27:39,890 --> 02:27:40,570
That'd be pretty cool.

2407
02:27:40,610 --> 02:27:41,390
That'd be pretty cool.

2408
02:27:42,230 --> 02:27:42,550
Uh,

2409
02:27:42,550 --> 02:27:43,530
AJ asks,

2410
02:27:43,610 --> 02:27:43,890
uh,

2411
02:27:43,890 --> 02:27:44,510
speaking of framework,

2412
02:27:44,630 --> 02:27:47,170
do you ever think they will make laptops with gaming GPUs?

2413
02:27:47,230 --> 02:27:48,090
I'd love to get one,

2414
02:27:48,190 --> 02:27:50,050
but I really need a decent GPU in my laptop.

2415
02:27:50,690 --> 02:27:51,090
Um,

2416
02:27:51,830 --> 02:27:53,450
I'd love to see them do it too.

2417
02:27:53,670 --> 02:27:56,410
I think that that's something that's going to be a lot more challenging.

2418
02:27:56,730 --> 02:27:57,310
I mean,

2419
02:27:57,610 --> 02:27:59,610
it's been tried time and time again,

2420
02:27:59,610 --> 02:28:02,310
like modular GPUs and laptops,

2421
02:28:02,430 --> 02:28:02,670
right?

2422
02:28:03,190 --> 02:28:08,170
MXM as a form factor seems to have basically no support from particularly

2423
02:28:08,170 --> 02:28:08,710
NVIDIA,

2424
02:28:08,710 --> 02:28:11,870
who actually seems to have been on a mission to kill it for the last,

2425
02:28:11,870 --> 02:28:13,490
like five to 10 years.

2426
02:28:13,990 --> 02:28:15,730
So I think it's going to be a real challenge,

2427
02:28:15,730 --> 02:28:17,170
but I would love to see them do it.

2428
02:28:17,940 --> 02:28:19,240
That's all I can really say about that.

2429
02:28:19,400 --> 02:28:19,560
Yes.

2430
02:28:19,580 --> 02:28:21,160
I'm aware that it's a complete non-answer.

2431
02:28:21,780 --> 02:28:22,140
Uh,

2432
02:28:22,180 --> 02:28:23,200
miles says,

2433
02:28:23,300 --> 02:28:23,400
Hey,

2434
02:28:23,420 --> 02:28:26,140
Linus and Luke on the subject of P2P NAS solutions.

2435
02:28:26,140 --> 02:28:27,240
Have you heard of cubbit?

2436
02:28:27,580 --> 02:28:29,800
I think their goal aligns well with your values.

2437
02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:31,400
It would be awesome to see it talked about an LTT.

2438
02:28:31,620 --> 02:28:33,020
I am not aware of this.

2439
02:28:33,140 --> 02:28:34,140
I always pronounced it cubit.

2440
02:28:34,660 --> 02:28:35,020
Um,

2441
02:28:35,400 --> 02:28:36,180
I've heard of them.

2442
02:28:36,260 --> 02:28:37,560
I haven't looked deeply into it.

2443
02:28:37,560 --> 02:28:37,880
Huh?

2444
02:28:38,880 --> 02:28:41,700
Geodistributed cloud with immutable backup and S3 compatible object storage.

2445
02:28:41,820 --> 02:28:41,920
I'm,

2446
02:28:41,920 --> 02:28:42,720
it sounds kind of cool.

2447
02:28:43,540 --> 02:28:45,940
It's also sounds probably complicated to use,

2448
02:28:46,000 --> 02:28:47,760
which is not quite what I'm talking about,

2449
02:28:47,860 --> 02:28:48,620
but yeah,

2450
02:28:48,640 --> 02:28:49,300
it sounds kind of neat.

2451
02:28:50,690 --> 02:28:52,010
And I think that's pretty much it.

2452
02:28:52,090 --> 02:28:52,230
Yeah.

2453
02:28:52,250 --> 02:28:53,670
I like really have to hit the bathroom.

2454
02:28:53,890 --> 02:28:54,310
So bye.

2455
02:28:55,030 --> 02:28:55,390
Yeah.

2456
02:28:55,910 --> 02:28:56,270
Okay.

2457
02:28:57,590 --> 02:28:57,990
Uh,

2458
02:28:58,270 --> 02:28:58,550
yeah.

2459
02:28:59,270 --> 02:28:59,630
Yeah.

2460
02:28:59,730 --> 02:29:00,150
I'm on it.

2461
02:29:00,230 --> 02:29:00,470
I'm on it.

2462
02:29:00,610 --> 02:29:01,030
Next week.

2463
02:29:01,070 --> 02:29:02,030
Same bad channel.

2464
02:29:02,110 --> 02:29:02,310
Yep.

2465
02:29:03,650 --> 02:29:04,150
Hitting it.

2466
02:29:05,000 --> 02:29:07,760
It didn't go clicking it again.

2467
02:29:08,680 --> 02:29:09,860
Did we start the server?

2468
02:29:10,400 --> 02:29:15,840
All right.

2469
02:29:16,440 --> 02:29:16,800
I don't,

2470
02:29:16,800 --> 02:29:17,240
I don't know.

2471
02:29:17,300 --> 02:29:17,720
I don't know.

2472
02:29:17,840 --> 02:29:19,040
I don't know what to do with,

2473
02:29:19,120 --> 02:29:19,760
with my hands.

2474
02:29:20,120 --> 02:29:20,480
Uh,

2475
02:29:20,980 --> 02:29:21,180
the,

2476
02:29:21,380 --> 02:29:21,480
uh,

2477
02:29:21,480 --> 02:29:22,420
I could,

2478
02:29:22,500 --> 02:29:23,820
I go by again.

2479
02:29:23,940 --> 02:29:24,920
You get to all.

2480
02:29:25,020 --> 02:29:25,440
It works.

2481
02:29:25,560 --> 02:29:26,300
There we go.

2482
02:29:42,460 --> 02:29:42,980
For a decade.

2483
02:29:45,060 --> 02:29:46,500
OVH MSI Zoho one.