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are you ready I didn't think we'd ever see this again but after skipping a

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generation AMD just proved they've still

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got it baby by building this a high-end

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desktop or HT class CPU that makes

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Intel's fastest consumer chip look like a drugged donkey that's less than half

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the speed that's right red Ripper is back and with some staggering numbers I

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am talking up to 64 cores up to a Terri

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terabyte of quad Channel ddr5 and up to

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an eyew watering price of

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$5,000 and get this that's for the plebian consumer version the pro lineup

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Lion Share of the improvements this generation come courtesy of AMD's Zen 4

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architecture it's the same one that we already know and love from ryzen 7000

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and their current epic lineup but in a nutshell it boasts an average 133%

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increase in instructions per clock compared to Zen 3 and delivers higher

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clock speeds to boot and I'm not talking about Wimpy Intel 14th gen increases

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either we're talking boost clocks going up at least 500 MHz across the board

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compared to the workstation only chips that we got last gen which means these

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things are going to absolutely suck power that is especially given that they

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are fully unlocked allowing you to overclock more on that later I mean

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right now AMD rates the quad Channel memory controller in these things for

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5200 megatrans per second but clearly

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they're encouraging you to go higher because they shipped their review kits

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with 128 gigs of 6400 megat transfer per

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second cl32 registered ECC ddr5 for the

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non-memory Geeks out there that is ripping fast and she's loaded up with

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support for up to 92 Lanes of PCI Express 48 of which run at Gen 5 speeds

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but enough chitchat let's take her out for a rip shall we but what do we

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compare against Threadripper Pro which

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we'll talk about later would go head-to-head with Intel's W series zons

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but neither Intel nor AMD have launched an HT product in nearly 4

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years and I guess this is why if you're

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a gamer and that's a lot of you you probably shouldn't buy this across the

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board you are far better off going with a I don't even know what to call them

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now low-end desktop chip ledt has a nice ring to it let's go with that now for

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Giggles Labs did try enabling gaming mode in the BIOS and it did net some

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performance gains but unfortunately it also limited our 32 and our 64 core

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processor to just 16 cores each without

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smt which is AMD's version of hyperthreading and the worst part is

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that every time you want to toggle this setting it's a full system reboot so

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it's not the kind of thing you can disable when it's time to get some real

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work done AMD made it clear that they don't really recommend using it and I

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tend to agree with them so let's move on to productivity by going to LTT

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store.com and signing up for a notification for our upcoming magnetic

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cable organizers what that's productive

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now naturally these new Threadripper chips they well there's no other way to

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put it they rip the threads off of the LED t- ships that we're comparing

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against as long as the workloads can take advantage of all those threads but

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what some might consider unnatural is how close we got to GPU numbers in some

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of these applications obviously we'd still recommend a proper GPU for your

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blending needs given the cost and power consumption factors at play but it's

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still darn impressive all the same handbrake av1 encoding shows a similar

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story with our thread rippers scaling with more cores but only up to a point

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this isn't surprising though because while the SVT av1 encoder used by

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handbrake can scale Beyond 16 or so

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course it requires you to enable features that would harm video quality

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which when you're spending this kind of money on a video encoding machine would

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feel kind of silly moving on to why cruncher it's not a great showcase For

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Thread rippers priced to performance at least Beyond 32 cores but what it is is

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a clear win for AMD overall their decision to support AVX 512 after Intel

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dropped it on their consumer chips with 12 gen is a big deal if your workload or

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your application happens to support it and while there aren't a ton of those

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especially in the consumer space at the moment they do exist PlayStation 3

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emulation for example benefits hugely and we're expecting to see more examples

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of it in the future moving on to spec workstation 3.1 we did run it if you're

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curious about the scores but as it's an older Benchmark we found that it didn't

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scale very well with these chips and we feel these numbers should be taken with

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a grain of salt take seven zip for example if you manually run the latest

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version rather than using the one bundled in Spec there are some serious

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gains as you jump up the core count ladder or at least gains to a point file

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compression and decompression rely heavily on memory bandwidth and latency

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so this could be a case where we are leaving some performance on the table

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and the pro lineup with its support for up to eight memory channels could

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justify its price premium whatever that ends up being we don't know yet AMD

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won't tell us but whatever it is it also

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might totally not be worth it in some cases to demonstrate we pulled two

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sticks of memory out limiting our non-pro chips even further to just dual

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Channel and you can see here that compute bound blender didn't seem to

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mind at least not in the scenes that we ran while the change was very noticeable

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in cinebench for best performance then you're almost certainly going to want to

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fill all four slots but for prospective Pro buyers well they might need to

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carefully evaluate if they actually need more we plan to get our hands on those

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chips in the future so make sure that you're subscribed it's worth noting that

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all of the test you guys have looked at so far we're run with our Threadripper

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chips in their outof thee boox stock operating mode that means they were

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abiding by their rated 350 W TDP but uh

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let's see what happens if we take them off

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leash and I'm back PBO is enabled load

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line calibration is set to three for stability and we've changed over to

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cinebench 2024 let's see how this goes

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this we were drawing 150 watts at idle oh boy we're to

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250 how we doing here PA 420 nice 500

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watts good gravy look at the score though over 6,000 points and we got even

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higher without monitoring running in the background that is four times the

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performance of an apple M1 Ultra and it even leaves itself without PBO enabled

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firmly in the dust and not just in cine bench we reran most of our entire suite

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and found that this was is true pretty much across the board except on the

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memory bottleneck ones but we already talked about that and all it comes at is

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a cost of I don't know what are we looking at 90° C on your space heater no

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problem thankfully cooling these chips at their rated TDP isn't too difficult

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as long as you have a beefy cooler like the NZXT Kraken 360 that we were using

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on our bench we're going to have that along with everything else we've shown linked down below the reason for that is

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while these chips are still outputting as much thermal energy or heat as a

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14900 K which is notoriously difficult

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to cool when it's boosting to its Max the core temperatures are more

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manageable because that heat is spread across a larger surface area and this is

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really easy to understand when we compare the 79 adx the 64 core to its

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little brother but lonus they're the same size yes but the 79 70x has only

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four ccds or core compute dies under

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that same size heat spreader so almost all of that 350 Watts comes from here

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here here and here by comparison the

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7980x has eight ccds doubling the core

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count and also effectively doubling the

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surface area at that same 350 Watts

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that's why the 79 adx unintuitively runs

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so much cooler at least until you start

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overclocking then you better get some some serious cooling for this mama jama

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which brings us to the most serious part of our we little chat today the price

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even considering the cost of previous Threadripper Generations these new

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chips are spectacularly expensive and

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this isn't helped by the cost of the accompanying platform there are two

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chipsets launching alongside these processors WR rx90 and TRX 50 for the

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pro and the HDT chips respectively and we're expecting pricing to start for

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these motherboards at around ,000 add to that that non-pro now

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requires ECC memory which it didn't used to and it's pretty clear to me that the

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days of yeah balers Gate 3 isn't going to use all these cores but my trust fund

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doesn't mind are pretty much over these

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CPUs are so not for gamers that the word

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game wasn't even included in the press release announcing them if you only

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occasionally need many course the reality of it is ledt has you covered

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and AMD knows that clearly however that

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doesn't mean we hate the idea of this product all together the hardware is

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obviously super cool and I nerd out over this stuff and it might even be

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practical let's say you're an AI developer or you have a daily need for

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virtualization or you run a visual effects studio if you can save a few

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minutes of every hour because yours or who knows your entire team's render

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finishes a bit faster well time is money

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baby and a 2500 or even $5,000 CPU could

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pay for itself faster than you'd think and hey if it can also game off hours so

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much the better but here's the rub now that

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HDT if our guesses are accurate is priced closer to the full fat

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workstation chips you know the ones with more PCIe twice the memory bandwidth and

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professional features like better security I'm just not really sure if I

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see the place for this anymore unless you're just a big AMD Fanboy and you're

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looking for an excuse to give them more of your money but but not quite that

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much of your money it is possible that we're going to see AMD get more

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competitive with pricing with these things when and if Intel ever gets their

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act together but for the time being what kind of conclusion can I draw

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here I don't like it but when you're the only car on the track you get to win

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AMD and Intel now both have a 7even th000 series of HDT processors and AMD

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even managed to overlap on exact model names but we decided to spare you guys

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if you liked this video why not check out our holy on AMD's 128 core epic

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Bergamo CPU that thing was also nuts but

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in some ways Threadripper kind of nuttier it's clocked so much higher