are you ready I didn't think we'd ever see this again but after skipping a
generation AMD just proved they've still
got it baby by building this a high-end
desktop or HT class CPU that makes
Intel's fastest consumer chip look like a drugged donkey that's less than half
the speed that's right red Ripper is back and with some staggering numbers I
am talking up to 64 cores up to a Terri
terabyte of quad Channel ddr5 and up to
an eyew watering price of
$5,000 and get this that's for the plebian consumer version the pro lineup
goes even harder unlike this easy segue
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Lion Share of the improvements this generation come courtesy of AMD's Zen 4
architecture it's the same one that we already know and love from ryzen 7000
and their current epic lineup but in a nutshell it boasts an average 133%
increase in instructions per clock compared to Zen 3 and delivers higher
clock speeds to boot and I'm not talking about Wimpy Intel 14th gen increases
either we're talking boost clocks going up at least 500 MHz across the board
compared to the workstation only chips that we got last gen which means these
things are going to absolutely suck power that is especially given that they
are fully unlocked allowing you to overclock more on that later I mean
right now AMD rates the quad Channel memory controller in these things for
5200 megatrans per second but clearly
they're encouraging you to go higher because they shipped their review kits
with 128 gigs of 6400 megat transfer per
second cl32 registered ECC ddr5 for the
non-memory Geeks out there that is ripping fast and she's loaded up with
support for up to 92 Lanes of PCI Express 48 of which run at Gen 5 speeds
but enough chitchat let's take her out for a rip shall we but what do we
compare against Threadripper Pro which
we'll talk about later would go head-to-head with Intel's W series zons
but neither Intel nor AMD have launched an HT product in nearly 4
years and I guess this is why if you're
a gamer and that's a lot of you you probably shouldn't buy this across the
board you are far better off going with a I don't even know what to call them
now low-end desktop chip ledt has a nice ring to it let's go with that now for
Giggles Labs did try enabling gaming mode in the BIOS and it did net some
performance gains but unfortunately it also limited our 32 and our 64 core
processor to just 16 cores each without
smt which is AMD's version of hyperthreading and the worst part is
that every time you want to toggle this setting it's a full system reboot so
it's not the kind of thing you can disable when it's time to get some real
work done AMD made it clear that they don't really recommend using it and I
tend to agree with them so let's move on to productivity by going to LTT
store.com and signing up for a notification for our upcoming magnetic
cable organizers what that's productive
now naturally these new Threadripper chips they well there's no other way to
put it they rip the threads off of the LED t- ships that we're comparing
against as long as the workloads can take advantage of all those threads but
what some might consider unnatural is how close we got to GPU numbers in some
of these applications obviously we'd still recommend a proper GPU for your
blending needs given the cost and power consumption factors at play but it's
still darn impressive all the same handbrake av1 encoding shows a similar
story with our thread rippers scaling with more cores but only up to a point
this isn't surprising though because while the SVT av1 encoder used by
handbrake can scale Beyond 16 or so
course it requires you to enable features that would harm video quality
which when you're spending this kind of money on a video encoding machine would
feel kind of silly moving on to why cruncher it's not a great showcase For
Thread rippers priced to performance at least Beyond 32 cores but what it is is
a clear win for AMD overall their decision to support AVX 512 after Intel
dropped it on their consumer chips with 12 gen is a big deal if your workload or
your application happens to support it and while there aren't a ton of those
especially in the consumer space at the moment they do exist PlayStation 3
emulation for example benefits hugely and we're expecting to see more examples
of it in the future moving on to spec workstation 3.1 we did run it if you're
curious about the scores but as it's an older Benchmark we found that it didn't
scale very well with these chips and we feel these numbers should be taken with
a grain of salt take seven zip for example if you manually run the latest
version rather than using the one bundled in Spec there are some serious
gains as you jump up the core count ladder or at least gains to a point file
compression and decompression rely heavily on memory bandwidth and latency
so this could be a case where we are leaving some performance on the table
and the pro lineup with its support for up to eight memory channels could
justify its price premium whatever that ends up being we don't know yet AMD
won't tell us but whatever it is it also
might totally not be worth it in some cases to demonstrate we pulled two
sticks of memory out limiting our non-pro chips even further to just dual
Channel and you can see here that compute bound blender didn't seem to
mind at least not in the scenes that we ran while the change was very noticeable
in cinebench for best performance then you're almost certainly going to want to
fill all four slots but for prospective Pro buyers well they might need to
carefully evaluate if they actually need more we plan to get our hands on those
chips in the future so make sure that you're subscribed it's worth noting that
all of the test you guys have looked at so far we're run with our Threadripper
chips in their outof thee boox stock operating mode that means they were
abiding by their rated 350 W TDP but uh
let's see what happens if we take them off
leash and I'm back PBO is enabled load
line calibration is set to three for stability and we've changed over to
cinebench 2024 let's see how this goes
this we were drawing 150 watts at idle oh boy we're to
250 how we doing here PA 420 nice 500
watts good gravy look at the score though over 6,000 points and we got even
higher without monitoring running in the background that is four times the
performance of an apple M1 Ultra and it even leaves itself without PBO enabled
firmly in the dust and not just in cine bench we reran most of our entire suite
and found that this was is true pretty much across the board except on the
memory bottleneck ones but we already talked about that and all it comes at is
a cost of I don't know what are we looking at 90° C on your space heater no
problem thankfully cooling these chips at their rated TDP isn't too difficult
as long as you have a beefy cooler like the NZXT Kraken 360 that we were using
on our bench we're going to have that along with everything else we've shown linked down below the reason for that is
while these chips are still outputting as much thermal energy or heat as a
14900 K which is notoriously difficult
to cool when it's boosting to its Max the core temperatures are more
manageable because that heat is spread across a larger surface area and this is
really easy to understand when we compare the 79 adx the 64 core to its
little brother but lonus they're the same size yes but the 79 70x has only
four ccds or core compute dies under
that same size heat spreader so almost all of that 350 Watts comes from here
here here and here by comparison the
7980x has eight ccds doubling the core
count and also effectively doubling the
surface area at that same 350 Watts
that's why the 79 adx unintuitively runs
so much cooler at least until you start
overclocking then you better get some some serious cooling for this mama jama
which brings us to the most serious part of our we little chat today the price
even considering the cost of previous Threadripper Generations these new
chips are spectacularly expensive and
this isn't helped by the cost of the accompanying platform there are two
chipsets launching alongside these processors WR rx90 and TRX 50 for the
pro and the HDT chips respectively and we're expecting pricing to start for
these motherboards at around ,000 add to that that non-pro now
requires ECC memory which it didn't used to and it's pretty clear to me that the
days of yeah balers Gate 3 isn't going to use all these cores but my trust fund
doesn't mind are pretty much over these
CPUs are so not for gamers that the word
game wasn't even included in the press release announcing them if you only
occasionally need many course the reality of it is ledt has you covered
and AMD knows that clearly however that
doesn't mean we hate the idea of this product all together the hardware is
obviously super cool and I nerd out over this stuff and it might even be
practical let's say you're an AI developer or you have a daily need for
virtualization or you run a visual effects studio if you can save a few
minutes of every hour because yours or who knows your entire team's render
finishes a bit faster well time is money
baby and a 2500 or even $5,000 CPU could
pay for itself faster than you'd think and hey if it can also game off hours so
much the better but here's the rub now that
HDT if our guesses are accurate is priced closer to the full fat
workstation chips you know the ones with more PCIe twice the memory bandwidth and
professional features like better security I'm just not really sure if I
see the place for this anymore unless you're just a big AMD Fanboy and you're
looking for an excuse to give them more of your money but but not quite that
much of your money it is possible that we're going to see AMD get more
competitive with pricing with these things when and if Intel ever gets their
act together but for the time being what kind of conclusion can I draw
here I don't like it but when you're the only car on the track you get to win
both the first place Trophy and the participation ribbon ooh and I got this
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pointed out in the comments by the way guys I did have a little rant about how
AMD and Intel now both have a 7even th000 series of HDT processors and AMD
even managed to overlap on exact model names but we decided to spare you guys
if you liked this video why not check out our holy on AMD's 128 core epic
Bergamo CPU that thing was also nuts but
in some ways Threadripper kind of nuttier it's clocked so much higher