WEBVTT 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.960 - Fast laptops, I've got two of them. You guys like it when I unbox them 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:07.630 and I like unboxing them too. We're gonna take these apart and it's gonna be great. 00:00:07.630 --> 00:00:11.300 They're from XMG and they're about as fast as you can get, although they do have Intel, 00:00:11.300 --> 00:00:15.930 so we'll see just how that compares to the last one we did. I'm not totally sure which laptop this is. 00:00:15.930 --> 00:00:19.890 We have two of them, the XMG PRO 17 and 15. 00:00:19.890 --> 00:00:24.930 I believe they're essentially the same, minus the screen size, but I guess we'll find out 00:00:24.930 --> 00:00:28.640 once we take them apart. This concise user's guide. 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:31.770 I mostly find it funny just because it says, "Concise User's Guide," 00:00:31.770 --> 00:00:33.893 but is this long. 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:39.010 There's actually like useful stuff in here. Yep, they have power modes, 00:00:39.010 --> 00:00:42.380 they explain what Max Q is, damn. 00:00:42.380 --> 00:00:46.780 This I believe is the 17, wow, this is a lot smaller than I was expecting. 00:00:46.780 --> 00:00:49.280 Look at this, I'm pretty sure it has a 3080 in it. 00:00:50.140 --> 00:00:55.410 These are direct from Clevo. So these are XMG laptops 00:00:55.410 --> 00:01:00.940 but they are straight from the factories in Taiwan because getting ahold of these is pretty hard. 00:01:00.940 --> 00:01:07.330 I'm pretty sure these are pre-production. So it's like space, like the footprint of this 00:01:07.900 --> 00:01:11.660 is larger than the Neo that we looked at, but I'm quite sure it's thinner. 00:01:11.660 --> 00:01:15.670 Yeah, it doesn't look like a gaming laptop at all. It's very similar in size to Zephyrus, 00:01:15.670 --> 00:01:18.850 if the Zephyrus was just larger. 00:01:18.850 --> 00:01:22.690 Does that make sense? (laughs) Okay, I'm actually excited now, damn. 00:01:22.690 --> 00:01:27.563 I was kind of expecting these to be just massive big porkers of a laptop. 00:01:29.900 --> 00:01:31.163 And the other laptop. 00:01:35.950 --> 00:01:39.790 I think someone screwed up. (laughs) 00:01:39.790 --> 00:01:43.770 - [Man] Did we get the same laptop? - I think (laughs), okay, okay. 00:01:43.770 --> 00:01:45.747 Oh my God, they're the same laptop (laughs). 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:51.140 Okay, everything that I said about the 15 inch, 00:01:51.140 --> 00:01:54.770 scratch that. Two 17 inches, yay. 00:01:54.770 --> 00:02:00.620 Anyway, moving on to IO. So on the side here, you get two USB type A's 00:02:00.620 --> 00:02:04.360 an Ethernet port. Round back, we have Thunderbolt, 00:02:04.360 --> 00:02:07.910 so that's something you don't get on an AMD laptop. 00:02:07.910 --> 00:02:11.550 HDMI and also DisplayPort, but only the mini one, 00:02:11.550 --> 00:02:16.000 and power input. And finally, on the left, we have mini SD card, 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:22.260 kinda wish it was full-sized but oh, well. And then another type A and headphone and microphone. 00:02:22.260 --> 00:02:25.790 Are you ready to open it up, (indistinct)? - Yeah. - Aye, aye captain. 00:02:25.790 --> 00:02:29.730 - Let's open it up. - Yes, to the sponsor, iFixit. 00:02:29.730 --> 00:02:33.590 Thanks to iFixit for sponsoring today's video. iFixit makes compact tool kits 00:02:33.590 --> 00:02:38.060 with all the essential bits to fix small electronics. Minnow has 16 driver bits 00:02:38.060 --> 00:02:43.240 that work with most laptops, desktops and smartphones. Moray has 32 bits with additional bits 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:48.050 for fixing things like home appliances furniture. Both have magnetic lids, built in sorting trays 00:02:48.050 --> 00:02:51.610 and a four millimeter swivel top driver. Fix your stuff today and learn more 00:02:51.610 --> 00:02:58.290 using the links down in the description. So in this one right here, we get a, let's see here, 00:02:58.290 --> 00:03:01.350 an Intel core i7, 1087H. 00:03:01.350 --> 00:03:05.580 So that's eight cores. I think they go pretty close to five gigahertz. 00:03:05.580 --> 00:03:10.570 These things are really fast. 16 gigabytes of RAM and an RTX 3080. 00:03:10.570 --> 00:03:16.860 I'm pretty sure this is a Max Q version, even though Max Q Max P died. 00:03:16.860 --> 00:03:21.920 But it also didn't. I don't know it's confusing. Laptop stuff is really dumb right now. 00:03:21.920 --> 00:03:27.490 The first, most noticeable thing about this laptop is that the display is freaking huge. 00:03:27.490 --> 00:03:31.310 Like it's 17 inches, we knew that going in because of the name 00:03:31.310 --> 00:03:34.550 but at the same time, just like looking at it 00:03:34.550 --> 00:03:38.610 with these small bezels, it's freaking massive. 00:03:38.610 --> 00:03:42.400 Now this is only a 1080p display. It is 300 Hertz. 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:45.750 So like, if you're looking to headshot people this is gonna be great. 00:03:45.750 --> 00:03:49.070 But if you're looking for like doing a bunch of office stuff, 00:03:49.070 --> 00:03:54.210 I do believe that there's a 1440p version which is the one that I would definitely go for. 00:03:54.210 --> 00:03:59.150 Yeah, it's not super bright. I think it only covers the sRGB color space 00:03:59.150 --> 00:04:04.860 which is just a lot less colors than if you get Adobe or DCI-P3. 00:04:04.860 --> 00:04:07.163 That said, if your plan is to just game on it, 00:04:08.810 --> 00:04:13.370 this seems like a pretty good option. Oh, the other laptop, it's done updating. 00:04:13.370 --> 00:04:21.230 So we finally get to see what exactly is in here. RTX 3070, so it's not going to be quite as powerful. 00:04:21.230 --> 00:04:28.230 Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure that I requested both of these so that I could look at the difference between 3070 00:04:28.230 --> 00:04:31.563 versus 3080 in laptops. 00:04:32.850 --> 00:04:36.590 We're not going to do that today. Just going to see how this guy right here runs. 00:04:36.590 --> 00:04:39.600 We wanna look at the actual difference between those two, we'll have to do that on LTT 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:45.230 so way too much work for right now. Yeah, comment below 3070 versus 3080. 00:04:45.230 --> 00:04:49.840 We have a German keyboard, once again. This is made for XMG and they're German. 00:04:49.840 --> 00:04:52.890 So the keyboard that we get here is also German. 00:04:52.890 --> 00:04:59.790 You can't buy stuff from them that's not German keyboards, but you know, pre-production, we get what we get. 00:04:59.790 --> 00:05:03.380 It appears that this laptop is designed purely for gaming, 00:05:03.380 --> 00:05:08.340 so let's just get straight into that. So up here, it looks like we're getting, 00:05:08.340 --> 00:05:13.290 ah, just dropped to like 120 FPS 00:05:13.290 --> 00:05:19.643 or we're also regularly getting around 200. So somewhere around 150, 170 seems to be about the average. 00:05:20.490 --> 00:05:23.750 We're going into the actual game now though, so we'll see. 00:05:23.750 --> 00:05:28.160 Having the super large display when you're gaming 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:33.420 is so great. Especially with like the really high refresh rate 00:05:33.420 --> 00:05:37.700 that I'm getting. Yeah, the refresh rate is awesome for those times when you like want to jump 00:05:37.700 --> 00:05:39.200 and do a 180, like those like, 00:05:41.290 --> 00:05:44.353 really easy. If you mainly play like FPS's, 00:05:46.210 --> 00:05:49.403 this is going to be awesome for you. 00:05:50.500 --> 00:05:56.420 If you're the sort of person that plays RTSs for the most part, maybe you don't need this. 00:05:56.420 --> 00:06:04.130 Because it is lower resolution, I probably wouldn't want to use this for like RTS's 00:06:04.130 --> 00:06:09.070 or office work or most things that are not gaming, if I'm honest. 00:06:09.070 --> 00:06:13.320 Like I said, there is the other option 00:06:13.320 --> 00:06:17.241 that makes a lot more sense if you want to do basically all of those things. 00:06:17.241 --> 00:06:21.280 1440p, this generation, is what you want. 00:06:21.280 --> 00:06:24.520 Yeah, we quit the game, but everything's still really hot. 00:06:24.520 --> 00:06:29.100 We're looking at like the mid 80s for the CPU, 00:06:29.100 --> 00:06:33.320 actually more like mid 90s. This thing is probably easily thermal throttling, 00:06:33.320 --> 00:06:38.193 if you're doing anything. GPUs normally survive a lot better. 00:06:39.061 --> 00:06:43.270 81 degrees, that's not ideal, hotspot temperature of 87. 00:06:43.270 --> 00:06:48.630 I guess we'll find out when we open it up, but I am going to guess that the cooling system in this 00:06:48.630 --> 00:06:53.184 is nowhere near as sophisticated as what you find in like a Zephyrus. 00:06:53.184 --> 00:07:00.090 And yeah, it's not treating this thing well. I am going to, people complained the last time 00:07:00.090 --> 00:07:05.040 that these mouse mats will be choking it off. I don't think it makes a difference. 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:09.820 Let's play a tiny bit of Valheim, just to monitor the temps. 00:07:09.820 --> 00:07:14.750 This looks and feels like it's playing very well but let's see what the temps are saying. 00:07:14.750 --> 00:07:19.060 GPU temp is currently, it's climbing pretty fast. 00:07:19.060 --> 00:07:22.910 We're at 77 degrees on the hotspot temp right now, 00:07:22.910 --> 00:07:26.540 78. Oh, the CPU is actually not doing too bad right now, 00:07:26.540 --> 00:07:29.570 it's sitting at like the 70s thereabouts. 00:07:29.570 --> 00:07:35.250 So yes, it does depend on what game you're running. This one might just be, you know, less CPU dependent, 00:07:35.250 --> 00:07:39.200 so that's why it's not just absolutely destroying the poor thing. 00:07:39.200 --> 00:07:40.653 How's the GPU doing? 00:07:42.470 --> 00:07:47.760 Yeah, it's still climbing, I wouldn't be surprised if it got back up close to 90 degrees again. 00:07:47.760 --> 00:07:53.230 Like your gaming experience on this thing is still going to be awesome, but at the same time, 00:07:53.230 --> 00:07:57.470 it's really loud and really hot and it's using Intel, 00:07:57.470 --> 00:08:02.840 so I'm not sure why we're super surprised. 83 degrees on the GPU now. 00:08:02.840 --> 00:08:06.880 That's hotter than I ever saw the Zephyrus, and that also had a 3080 in it. 00:08:06.880 --> 00:08:10.870 Actually our GPU temps are high but maybe I'm giving the Zephyrus too much credit. 00:08:10.870 --> 00:08:17.210 So it looks like we've max gotten 135 Watts of power on the GPU. 00:08:17.210 --> 00:08:21.720 And right now it's sitting around like 90 to 100. 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:26.570 So the problem might not so much be the thermals but they're just really giving her the beans. 00:08:26.570 --> 00:08:30.130 Okay, let's go to quiet and see what happens. 00:08:30.130 --> 00:08:32.623 Yeah, it's calming down, it's calming down. 00:08:33.920 --> 00:08:37.000 Okay, we're still getting like 80 Watts on the GPU. 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:40.110 It isn't a noticeably different experience. 00:08:40.110 --> 00:08:44.930 So I think that I might actually avoid going with the like full power setting on this 00:08:44.930 --> 00:08:48.250 and instead just leave it in quiet mode 00:08:48.250 --> 00:08:53.040 and have a much more pleasant time for my ears. If I'm honest, the keyboard's a bit of a let down. 00:08:53.040 --> 00:08:59.360 Some of the keys are just less stable than others and in general they're all pretty wibbly-wobbly. 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:04.217 Like I'm not pressing the key right now, I'm just flexing it like (groans). 00:09:07.160 --> 00:09:11.000 That one's way worse than this one which you can kind of see is like the big problem. 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:14.630 Yeah, I push it on the bottom here and it just goes down but if I push it on the bottom with this one, 00:09:14.630 --> 00:09:19.840 it's like (groans). As for the track pad, it's nice and large. 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:25.130 I don't think it's glass topped although it doesn't really matter given that, you know 00:09:25.130 --> 00:09:28.210 it feels good to use. I'm personally not a fan 00:09:28.210 --> 00:09:32.560 of having the two buttons on the bottom and not being able to click it in. 00:09:32.560 --> 00:09:36.860 But at the same time some people love having buttons down here, so it's kind of up to you. 00:09:36.860 --> 00:09:40.970 Like all of the bits that you press are very stiff 00:09:40.970 --> 00:09:43.853 but again, except for the keyboard, like can you see this Andy? 00:09:45.165 --> 00:09:49.440 - [Andy] Yeah (indistinct). - In here it flexes but then like if I do the same thing up top 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:54.695 you can see it just doesn't flex at all. Apparently these speakers were tuned by Sound Blaster. 00:09:54.695 --> 00:09:56.817 (bright music) Oh my God, that's bad. 00:09:58.430 --> 00:10:03.430 It's like, it's hurting my ears, it's really loud 00:10:05.620 --> 00:10:07.993 and just unpleasant sounding. 00:10:08.980 --> 00:10:12.210 That might be the worst laptop I've heard in years. I'm gonna get the XPS out 00:10:12.210 --> 00:10:15.570 so you guys can kinda see how it compares, you know 00:10:15.570 --> 00:10:20.610 make sure that it's not just the microphone that's making the sound like trash. But Oh my God, that is abysmal. 00:10:20.610 --> 00:10:25.080 XMG NEO 17, (bright music) changing over to the XPS. 00:10:28.220 --> 00:10:33.240 Totally different. It just, I can hear different instruments 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:36.270 that I just could not before, my ears don't hurt. 00:10:36.270 --> 00:10:39.770 It's loud, but like, not painful. 00:10:39.770 --> 00:10:45.910 Let's take a look at what we get in here. So upgradability, at first look, is awesome. 00:10:45.910 --> 00:10:50.910 So we have two SO-DIMM slots, two SSD slots, Wi-Fi module. 00:10:51.350 --> 00:10:56.890 And actually now that I look at it this might be made for or of a 15 inch. 00:10:56.890 --> 00:11:02.810 Like if you look at it, these ribbon cables here, this space, all of this space down here 00:11:02.810 --> 00:11:07.400 really suggests to me that the internals are exactly the same for the 15 inch version, 00:11:07.400 --> 00:11:12.240 except probably with a bit smaller heat sinks. Compared to the Zephyrus, 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:15.420 there's not a lot of cooling in here. 00:11:15.420 --> 00:11:20.030 We got one, two, three, four, five heat pipes. 00:11:20.030 --> 00:11:24.790 Actually the Zephyrus might only be like six, but at the same time, they're way bigger. 00:11:24.790 --> 00:11:28.807 And it's not really comparable to this. 00:11:28.807 --> 00:11:32.140 Oh yep, there's the very first thing that you'll want to do 00:11:32.140 --> 00:11:36.700 when you get this laptop. Normal thermal paste down here, wipe that off, 00:11:36.700 --> 00:11:39.903 chuck some liquid metal in there, actually video right here, 00:11:41.100 --> 00:11:45.230 I show you how to do it but it was also my first time ever doing it. So it's kinda scary. 00:11:45.230 --> 00:11:50.000 Yeah, this probably would be a lot better if it had liquid metal down there. 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:55.410 If you're considering buying this I would consider considering the XMG NEO 15. 00:11:55.410 --> 00:12:00.120 So it's not quite as slim, but at the same time 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:04.480 you get that AMD processor, which is just so fricking fast 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:10.800 and also you don't have to worry about thermals as much as just the heater cores that Intel is these days. 00:12:10.800 --> 00:12:14.150 And if you want that slimness, get a Zephyrus. 00:12:14.150 --> 00:12:17.790 As far as just daily usability, way better, 00:12:17.790 --> 00:12:23.030 night and day compared to this thing. So, sorry XMG, I wish that I could recommend this more 00:12:23.030 --> 00:12:27.423 but at the same time. 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