1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,960 - Fast laptops, I've got two of them. You guys like it when I unbox them 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,630 and I like unboxing them too. We're gonna take these apart and it's gonna be great. 3 00:00:07,630 --> 00:00:11,300 They're from XMG and they're about as fast as you can get, although they do have Intel, 4 00:00:11,300 --> 00:00:15,930 so we'll see just how that compares to the last one we did. I'm not totally sure which laptop this is. 5 00:00:15,930 --> 00:00:19,890 We have two of them, the XMG PRO 17 and 15. 6 00:00:19,890 --> 00:00:24,930 I believe they're essentially the same, minus the screen size, but I guess we'll find out 7 00:00:24,930 --> 00:00:28,640 once we take them apart. This concise user's guide. 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,770 I mostly find it funny just because it says, "Concise User's Guide," 9 00:00:31,770 --> 00:00:33,893 but is this long. 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,010 There's actually like useful stuff in here. Yep, they have power modes, 11 00:00:39,010 --> 00:00:42,380 they explain what Max Q is, damn. 12 00:00:42,380 --> 00:00:46,780 This I believe is the 17, wow, this is a lot smaller than I was expecting. 13 00:00:46,780 --> 00:00:49,280 Look at this, I'm pretty sure it has a 3080 in it. 14 00:00:50,140 --> 00:00:55,410 These are direct from Clevo. So these are XMG laptops 15 00:00:55,410 --> 00:01:00,940 but they are straight from the factories in Taiwan because getting ahold of these is pretty hard. 16 00:01:00,940 --> 00:01:07,330 I'm pretty sure these are pre-production. So it's like space, like the footprint of this 17 00:01:07,900 --> 00:01:11,660 is larger than the Neo that we looked at, but I'm quite sure it's thinner. 18 00:01:11,660 --> 00:01:15,670 Yeah, it doesn't look like a gaming laptop at all. It's very similar in size to Zephyrus, 19 00:01:15,670 --> 00:01:18,850 if the Zephyrus was just larger. 20 00:01:18,850 --> 00:01:22,690 Does that make sense? (laughs) Okay, I'm actually excited now, damn. 21 00:01:22,690 --> 00:01:27,563 I was kind of expecting these to be just massive big porkers of a laptop. 22 00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:31,163 And the other laptop. 23 00:01:35,950 --> 00:01:39,790 I think someone screwed up. (laughs) 24 00:01:39,790 --> 00:01:43,770 - [Man] Did we get the same laptop? - I think (laughs), okay, okay. 25 00:01:43,770 --> 00:01:45,747 Oh my God, they're the same laptop (laughs). 26 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,140 Okay, everything that I said about the 15 inch, 27 00:01:51,140 --> 00:01:54,770 scratch that. Two 17 inches, yay. 28 00:01:54,770 --> 00:02:00,620 Anyway, moving on to IO. So on the side here, you get two USB type A's 29 00:02:00,620 --> 00:02:04,360 an Ethernet port. Round back, we have Thunderbolt, 30 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,910 so that's something you don't get on an AMD laptop. 31 00:02:07,910 --> 00:02:11,550 HDMI and also DisplayPort, but only the mini one, 32 00:02:11,550 --> 00:02:16,000 and power input. And finally, on the left, we have mini SD card, 33 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:22,260 kinda wish it was full-sized but oh, well. And then another type A and headphone and microphone. 34 00:02:22,260 --> 00:02:25,790 Are you ready to open it up, (indistinct)? - Yeah. - Aye, aye captain. 35 00:02:25,790 --> 00:02:29,730 - Let's open it up. - Yes, to the sponsor, iFixit. 36 00:02:29,730 --> 00:02:33,590 Thanks to iFixit for sponsoring today's video. iFixit makes compact tool kits 37 00:02:33,590 --> 00:02:38,060 with all the essential bits to fix small electronics. Minnow has 16 driver bits 38 00:02:38,060 --> 00:02:43,240 that work with most laptops, desktops and smartphones. Moray has 32 bits with additional bits 39 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:48,050 for fixing things like home appliances furniture. Both have magnetic lids, built in sorting trays 40 00:02:48,050 --> 00:02:51,610 and a four millimeter swivel top driver. Fix your stuff today and learn more 41 00:02:51,610 --> 00:02:58,290 using the links down in the description. So in this one right here, we get a, let's see here, 42 00:02:58,290 --> 00:03:01,350 an Intel core i7, 1087H. 43 00:03:01,350 --> 00:03:05,580 So that's eight cores. I think they go pretty close to five gigahertz. 44 00:03:05,580 --> 00:03:10,570 These things are really fast. 16 gigabytes of RAM and an RTX 3080. 45 00:03:10,570 --> 00:03:16,860 I'm pretty sure this is a Max Q version, even though Max Q Max P died. 46 00:03:16,860 --> 00:03:21,920 But it also didn't. I don't know it's confusing. Laptop stuff is really dumb right now. 47 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:27,490 The first, most noticeable thing about this laptop is that the display is freaking huge. 48 00:03:27,490 --> 00:03:31,310 Like it's 17 inches, we knew that going in because of the name 49 00:03:31,310 --> 00:03:34,550 but at the same time, just like looking at it 50 00:03:34,550 --> 00:03:38,610 with these small bezels, it's freaking massive. 51 00:03:38,610 --> 00:03:42,400 Now this is only a 1080p display. It is 300 Hertz. 52 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,750 So like, if you're looking to headshot people this is gonna be great. 53 00:03:45,750 --> 00:03:49,070 But if you're looking for like doing a bunch of office stuff, 54 00:03:49,070 --> 00:03:54,210 I do believe that there's a 1440p version which is the one that I would definitely go for. 55 00:03:54,210 --> 00:03:59,150 Yeah, it's not super bright. I think it only covers the sRGB color space 56 00:03:59,150 --> 00:04:04,860 which is just a lot less colors than if you get Adobe or DCI-P3. 57 00:04:04,860 --> 00:04:07,163 That said, if your plan is to just game on it, 58 00:04:08,810 --> 00:04:13,370 this seems like a pretty good option. Oh, the other laptop, it's done updating. 59 00:04:13,370 --> 00:04:21,230 So we finally get to see what exactly is in here. RTX 3070, so it's not going to be quite as powerful. 60 00:04:21,230 --> 00:04:28,230 Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure that I requested both of these so that I could look at the difference between 3070 61 00:04:28,230 --> 00:04:31,563 versus 3080 in laptops. 62 00:04:32,850 --> 00:04:36,590 We're not going to do that today. Just going to see how this guy right here runs. 63 00:04:36,590 --> 00:04:39,600 We wanna look at the actual difference between those two, we'll have to do that on LTT 64 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:45,230 so way too much work for right now. Yeah, comment below 3070 versus 3080. 65 00:04:45,230 --> 00:04:49,840 We have a German keyboard, once again. This is made for XMG and they're German. 66 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:52,890 So the keyboard that we get here is also German. 67 00:04:52,890 --> 00:04:59,790 You can't buy stuff from them that's not German keyboards, but you know, pre-production, we get what we get. 68 00:04:59,790 --> 00:05:03,380 It appears that this laptop is designed purely for gaming, 69 00:05:03,380 --> 00:05:08,340 so let's just get straight into that. So up here, it looks like we're getting, 70 00:05:08,340 --> 00:05:13,290 ah, just dropped to like 120 FPS 71 00:05:13,290 --> 00:05:19,643 or we're also regularly getting around 200. So somewhere around 150, 170 seems to be about the average. 72 00:05:20,490 --> 00:05:23,750 We're going into the actual game now though, so we'll see. 73 00:05:23,750 --> 00:05:28,160 Having the super large display when you're gaming 74 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:33,420 is so great. Especially with like the really high refresh rate 75 00:05:33,420 --> 00:05:37,700 that I'm getting. Yeah, the refresh rate is awesome for those times when you like want to jump 76 00:05:37,700 --> 00:05:39,200 and do a 180, like those like, 77 00:05:41,290 --> 00:05:44,353 really easy. If you mainly play like FPS's, 78 00:05:46,210 --> 00:05:49,403 this is going to be awesome for you. 79 00:05:50,500 --> 00:05:56,420 If you're the sort of person that plays RTSs for the most part, maybe you don't need this. 80 00:05:56,420 --> 00:06:04,130 Because it is lower resolution, I probably wouldn't want to use this for like RTS's 81 00:06:04,130 --> 00:06:09,070 or office work or most things that are not gaming, if I'm honest. 82 00:06:09,070 --> 00:06:13,320 Like I said, there is the other option 83 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,241 that makes a lot more sense if you want to do basically all of those things. 84 00:06:17,241 --> 00:06:21,280 1440p, this generation, is what you want. 85 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:24,520 Yeah, we quit the game, but everything's still really hot. 86 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:29,100 We're looking at like the mid 80s for the CPU, 87 00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:33,320 actually more like mid 90s. This thing is probably easily thermal throttling, 88 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:38,193 if you're doing anything. GPUs normally survive a lot better. 89 00:06:39,061 --> 00:06:43,270 81 degrees, that's not ideal, hotspot temperature of 87. 90 00:06:43,270 --> 00:06:48,630 I guess we'll find out when we open it up, but I am going to guess that the cooling system in this 91 00:06:48,630 --> 00:06:53,184 is nowhere near as sophisticated as what you find in like a Zephyrus. 92 00:06:53,184 --> 00:07:00,090 And yeah, it's not treating this thing well. I am going to, people complained the last time 93 00:07:00,090 --> 00:07:05,040 that these mouse mats will be choking it off. I don't think it makes a difference. 94 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,820 Let's play a tiny bit of Valheim, just to monitor the temps. 95 00:07:09,820 --> 00:07:14,750 This looks and feels like it's playing very well but let's see what the temps are saying. 96 00:07:14,750 --> 00:07:19,060 GPU temp is currently, it's climbing pretty fast. 97 00:07:19,060 --> 00:07:22,910 We're at 77 degrees on the hotspot temp right now, 98 00:07:22,910 --> 00:07:26,540 78. Oh, the CPU is actually not doing too bad right now, 99 00:07:26,540 --> 00:07:29,570 it's sitting at like the 70s thereabouts. 100 00:07:29,570 --> 00:07:35,250 So yes, it does depend on what game you're running. This one might just be, you know, less CPU dependent, 101 00:07:35,250 --> 00:07:39,200 so that's why it's not just absolutely destroying the poor thing. 102 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,653 How's the GPU doing? 103 00:07:42,470 --> 00:07:47,760 Yeah, it's still climbing, I wouldn't be surprised if it got back up close to 90 degrees again. 104 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:53,230 Like your gaming experience on this thing is still going to be awesome, but at the same time, 105 00:07:53,230 --> 00:07:57,470 it's really loud and really hot and it's using Intel, 106 00:07:57,470 --> 00:08:02,840 so I'm not sure why we're super surprised. 83 degrees on the GPU now. 107 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,880 That's hotter than I ever saw the Zephyrus, and that also had a 3080 in it. 108 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,870 Actually our GPU temps are high but maybe I'm giving the Zephyrus too much credit. 109 00:08:10,870 --> 00:08:17,210 So it looks like we've max gotten 135 Watts of power on the GPU. 110 00:08:17,210 --> 00:08:21,720 And right now it's sitting around like 90 to 100. 111 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,570 So the problem might not so much be the thermals but they're just really giving her the beans. 112 00:08:26,570 --> 00:08:30,130 Okay, let's go to quiet and see what happens. 113 00:08:30,130 --> 00:08:32,623 Yeah, it's calming down, it's calming down. 114 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,000 Okay, we're still getting like 80 Watts on the GPU. 115 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,110 It isn't a noticeably different experience. 116 00:08:40,110 --> 00:08:44,930 So I think that I might actually avoid going with the like full power setting on this 117 00:08:44,930 --> 00:08:48,250 and instead just leave it in quiet mode 118 00:08:48,250 --> 00:08:53,040 and have a much more pleasant time for my ears. If I'm honest, the keyboard's a bit of a let down. 119 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:59,360 Some of the keys are just less stable than others and in general they're all pretty wibbly-wobbly. 120 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,217 Like I'm not pressing the key right now, I'm just flexing it like (groans). 121 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,000 That one's way worse than this one which you can kind of see is like the big problem. 122 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,630 Yeah, I push it on the bottom here and it just goes down but if I push it on the bottom with this one, 123 00:09:14,630 --> 00:09:19,840 it's like (groans). As for the track pad, it's nice and large. 124 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:25,130 I don't think it's glass topped although it doesn't really matter given that, you know 125 00:09:25,130 --> 00:09:28,210 it feels good to use. I'm personally not a fan 126 00:09:28,210 --> 00:09:32,560 of having the two buttons on the bottom and not being able to click it in. 127 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:36,860 But at the same time some people love having buttons down here, so it's kind of up to you. 128 00:09:36,860 --> 00:09:40,970 Like all of the bits that you press are very stiff 129 00:09:40,970 --> 00:09:43,853 but again, except for the keyboard, like can you see this Andy? 130 00:09:45,165 --> 00:09:49,440 - [Andy] Yeah (indistinct). - In here it flexes but then like if I do the same thing up top 131 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:54,695 you can see it just doesn't flex at all. Apparently these speakers were tuned by Sound Blaster. 132 00:09:54,695 --> 00:09:56,817 (bright music) Oh my God, that's bad. 133 00:09:58,430 --> 00:10:03,430 It's like, it's hurting my ears, it's really loud 134 00:10:05,620 --> 00:10:07,993 and just unpleasant sounding. 135 00:10:08,980 --> 00:10:12,210 That might be the worst laptop I've heard in years. I'm gonna get the XPS out 136 00:10:12,210 --> 00:10:15,570 so you guys can kinda see how it compares, you know 137 00:10:15,570 --> 00:10:20,610 make sure that it's not just the microphone that's making the sound like trash. But Oh my God, that is abysmal. 138 00:10:20,610 --> 00:10:25,080 XMG NEO 17, (bright music) changing over to the XPS. 139 00:10:28,220 --> 00:10:33,240 Totally different. It just, I can hear different instruments 140 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,270 that I just could not before, my ears don't hurt. 141 00:10:36,270 --> 00:10:39,770 It's loud, but like, not painful. 142 00:10:39,770 --> 00:10:45,910 Let's take a look at what we get in here. So upgradability, at first look, is awesome. 143 00:10:45,910 --> 00:10:50,910 So we have two SO-DIMM slots, two SSD slots, Wi-Fi module. 144 00:10:51,350 --> 00:10:56,890 And actually now that I look at it this might be made for or of a 15 inch. 145 00:10:56,890 --> 00:11:02,810 Like if you look at it, these ribbon cables here, this space, all of this space down here 146 00:11:02,810 --> 00:11:07,400 really suggests to me that the internals are exactly the same for the 15 inch version, 147 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:12,240 except probably with a bit smaller heat sinks. Compared to the Zephyrus, 148 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,420 there's not a lot of cooling in here. 149 00:11:15,420 --> 00:11:20,030 We got one, two, three, four, five heat pipes. 150 00:11:20,030 --> 00:11:24,790 Actually the Zephyrus might only be like six, but at the same time, they're way bigger. 151 00:11:24,790 --> 00:11:28,807 And it's not really comparable to this. 152 00:11:28,807 --> 00:11:32,140 Oh yep, there's the very first thing that you'll want to do 153 00:11:32,140 --> 00:11:36,700 when you get this laptop. Normal thermal paste down here, wipe that off, 154 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:39,903 chuck some liquid metal in there, actually video right here, 155 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:45,230 I show you how to do it but it was also my first time ever doing it. So it's kinda scary. 156 00:11:45,230 --> 00:11:50,000 Yeah, this probably would be a lot better if it had liquid metal down there. 157 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:55,410 If you're considering buying this I would consider considering the XMG NEO 15. 158 00:11:55,410 --> 00:12:00,120 So it's not quite as slim, but at the same time 159 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,480 you get that AMD processor, which is just so fricking fast 160 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:10,800 and also you don't have to worry about thermals as much as just the heater cores that Intel is these days. 161 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,150 And if you want that slimness, get a Zephyrus. 162 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:17,790 As far as just daily usability, way better, 163 00:12:17,790 --> 00:12:23,030 night and day compared to this thing. So, sorry XMG, I wish that I could recommend this more 164 00:12:23,030 --> 00:12:27,423 but at the same time. 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