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Now Walmart doesn't sell their gaming PCs in Canada,

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but there's no way that that was gonna prevent us

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from getting our hands on the next generation

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of overpowered gaming PC.

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Now, I have heard through the grapevine

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that the Walmart gaming desktop PC, as they call it,

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might not be all that it was cracked up to be,

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but I have intentionally sequestered myself.

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I have not watched Gamers Nexus or Bitwits content on this

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so that I can experience it for the first time

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in all of its glory for myself.

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Now, Ivan, you have already peaked under the hood,

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have you not?

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Don't spoil it.

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It offers great usability and utilizes noise dampening vents

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Check it out on Newegg at the link in the video description.

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Now, my first impressions of Walmart's overpowered lineup

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of gaming PCs was, what?

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Followed shortly by, dang,

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those are some pretty good specs for the price.

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Like, that's very competitive, much better than I expected.

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Also, the configurations made a ton of sense to me.

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It was almost like they had gone out of their way

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to find someone who knows what the crap they're doing

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to configure their systems for them.

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I mean, i7-8700 processor, okay.

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I mean, i7-8700 processor, okay.

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I mean, i7-8700 processor, okay.

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It's not a K, it's not overclockable or whatever,

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but like, that's fine.

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It's a prebuilt.

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GTX 1070, 16 gigs RAM, 256 gig SSD.

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Like, it looks like the kind of thing

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that I would put together for, you know, $1,500 or so.

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Opening up the package, we get a,

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actually not terrible looking quick start guide.

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Certainly seen worse.

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Connect your power, connect a HDMI

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or a DisplayPort on the graphics card.

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They specify which one to use,

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but they don't actually have a great,

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they don't have a great diagram of that.

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Oh boy, that's not right.

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Connect your PC through an Ethernet cable

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to hardwire your device.

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Not particularly descriptive.

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Spelling mistakes.

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Oh, I didn't even notice that.

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In terms of accessories,

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we've got a adequate quality looking power connector,

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a piece of Velcro, like double-sided Velcro stuff,

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presumably for stashing this somewhere,

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and then you can grab it off with Velcro, I guess.

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That's your RGB thing.

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OP posters to hang in my room,

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because I'm OP like that.

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Like, what is this?

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Is this, this is water.

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Oh, okay.

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So you're going to be like overwhelmed

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by the OP-ness of it,

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and you're just going to be like, oh.

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Did you just say overwhelmed by the penis of it?

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OP-ness, OP-ness, OP-ness.

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OP-ness.

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This is a pretty cookie cutter sort of vinyl decal here,

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but it's better than absolutely nothing,

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which is what a lot of system integrators do.

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These are more expensive than you'd think.

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So to make our performance test as fair as possible,

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Ivan has actually sourced an identically configured

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pre-built system from those HP guys,

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so that we can get some idea of whether it performs

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as expected out of the box.

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Let's start with that.

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Although one thing that does give me pause

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before I even get that far is the non-powder coating

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on the back.

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I mean, I don't know,

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I don't know if you can see it,

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but it's a non-powder coated power supply.

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It's just got like a simple gray back.

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I remember asking a power supply manufacturer

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how much it costs to powder coat a power supply.

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And I think it was somewhere in the neighborhood

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of like tens of cents.

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So it's not usually a good sign

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when they save that tens of cents on an aesthetic coating,

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even though in fairness,

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it doesn't contribute to performance.

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We're going to have to look at it a little more closely

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once we open it up.

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Actually, this is bizarre too.

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A USB-C on a little like daughter board thing here.

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And why the hell would they put it way up there?

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Now, just to double check,

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this is configured the same as this?

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Are there any key differences?

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No, which is why specifically I picked this system

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to go head to head.

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And price difference is about a hundred bucks.

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This is 1400, this is 15.

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Okay, here we go.

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It's got RGB.

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Color changing works as expected.

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Oh, on the back, the back fan is RGB too.

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Mmm.

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What can happen sometimes in shipping is...

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Okay, well, I've never seen it like that before, like-

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have hides i contract.

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this just looks like they outright forgot to plug it in.

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Like, I'm trying to think of what the workflow,

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wow, that is the cheapest looking motherboard.

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Maybe not that I've ever seen,

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but wow.

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Is it ever close?

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You know how they say,

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first impressions?

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Last a lifetime.

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This is not a good first impression.

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Holy , I just noticed

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that the only onboard video output is VGA.

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I mean, not that it matters.

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We wouldn't be using the onboard video,

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but like, what year is it?

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Oh, the year's right here.

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Manufacture date, October, 2018.

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No, I didn't go back in time.

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I just thought I did,

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because that was a VGA connection on there.

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All right, what game are we starting with?

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Or should we just start with like a CPU stress test?

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Cinebench?

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Yeah, as the synthetics.

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Okay, Cinebench.

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Okay, we're in the home stretch here,

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and this is about as neck and neck

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as I think I could imagine it being.

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Okay, yeah, 199 for the Walmart overpowered PC,

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199 for our Omen.

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Okay, now let's try multi-core.

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Interestingly, our overpowered PC

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actually came out ahead in this one, 1312.

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Whoa, you want to punish it.

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All right, fine.

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I mean, it's fair.

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IBT is a fair test.

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So I'm gonna open Task Manager as well,

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just so we can verify that our CPU is 100% loaded.

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Okay, so right now I'm at 4.28 gigahertz.

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What are you at?

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4.29.

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4.29, okay.

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Keep in mind, this has a per-core monitoring as well.

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My system took longer to start the test.

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No, it's being hit now.

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It's all loaded into RAM.

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I'm at 4.1 gigahertz, so I'm running faster than you.

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So have they configured this system

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to use an all-core turbo on those VRMs?

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Now, the thing to note is that our Omen desktop

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is actually adhering to Intel's spec,

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while this one is technically kind of overclocked

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in a way that some aftermarket motherboards

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will be configured out of the box to operate.

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Something to note though,

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is that while ours seems to be working fine,

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all cores loaded stress test, your mileage may vary.

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We might get a really good CPU

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that handles all-core turbo just fine.

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Your system might be unstable.

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I mean, we can only judge what's in front of us though.

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And so far, this thing is managing 4.1 gigahertz,

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all cores loaded on its 8700.

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And with temps that are in the 50 degree or so range.

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So to put that in context,

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that's probably about 35 degrees above average.

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So that's a little bit of an ambience.

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It is pretty chilly in here today.

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The front ports are all USB 2.

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That's why they have that weird USB 3.0 thing on the back.

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What, why would they?

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How can you ship a system in 2018 with USB 2.0 front ports?

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That's why they had the internal header free

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for that weird thing at the back.

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They don't have front USB 3.0.

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What is this?

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Why did they create four partitions?

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Why did they create four partitions for the hard drives?

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What possible purpose could that serve?

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They do know that partitioning a hard drive

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doesn't do anything, right?

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Like with respect to reliability, ease of organizing files.

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Why would you do that?

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Maybe make it easier for people

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to compartmentalize their files.

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Like I'm having-

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It's called a folder!

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Now we're not judging game loading times here just because,

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Shadow of the Tomb Raider is installed

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on a hard drive here and an SSD here.

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So let's ignore that,

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but that doesn't affect gaming performance.

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Oh, we were wrong about that.

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So I don't know, maybe it's to do with the fact

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that we're loading new scenes of the game so frequently.

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Anyway, the point is we've got all our games

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on the SSDs for both systems now.

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Let's click run and let's see them side by side, baby.

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Everything's looking pretty normal so far.

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This one actually seems to be maybe running a touch faster,

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but I don't think so.

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Holy crap.

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So I went to change the color

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and it turns out there's like a bazillion different patterns.

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If you keep pressing this LED thing,

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like I swear I've been through 50 different patterns

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at least already.

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What the crap?

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This is about as RGBed out as I think it gets.

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Like, what is this?

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I will give them credit.

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The system actually looks pretty sharp and pretty clean.

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I mean, for now.

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The only issue is that these intakes

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are completely unfiltered,

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so it's gonna look like ass pretty quickly.

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But anyway, anyway, we got it.

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It comes down to the results.

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Let's have a look.

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Average FPS, 86.

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Mins look reasonable.

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And things do not get any better in Assassin's Creed Origins.

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This is at ultra 1080.

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So everything looks fine.

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63 FPS compared to 71.

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Okay, yeah, that's an improvement.

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But if you look a little closer,

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the CPU frame times are 15 milliseconds.

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Whereas our CPU over here is nine.

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So you can clearly see the GPU is the difference.

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So that's where our frames per second

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actually isn't that much higher over here.

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But our CPU is performing way better for some reason.

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Okay.

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So bringing us to our last one, Deus Ex.

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Same thing here.

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If all we look at,

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this is exactly why you can't just trust average frame rates.

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87.8 versus 88.2 over here.

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But the minimums are over 10 frames per second lower.

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That is like 15, 18%.

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Probably about 15%.

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That is nuts.

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Okay, let's get the HP out of here

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and let's tear this thing down.

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So we'll take this.

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No, no, it's fine, we can leave it here.

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Now, this will be the first time

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that we're taking off the other side panel.

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So there's a few things I really don't like here.

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Number one, that is a single 16 gig stick of RAM.

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I understand the argument to be made for upgradability,

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but single channel memory.

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Oh, I wonder if that's what's killing our CPU performance.

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Anyway, single channel memory

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cuts your bandwidth effectively in half.

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Also, these wires,

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I don't know what better way to describe them than as pinner.

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These are really thin wires.

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These are providing all the power for your motherboard.

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We do get an eight pin connector for our CPU.

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So I guess that's probably a relatively good sign.

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Look again.

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Wait, what?

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Oh no, nevermind.

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It's an eight pin connector on a four pin on the board.

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Can they get something right here?

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Okay, that's far from the worst cable management I've seen.

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Like this is the weird thing about this whole thing.

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About this whole experience

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is that there's these sprinklings of competence,

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but then somehow they've ended up with an end result

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that is underperforming for the hardware that's in it

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by this very significant margin.

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And that just has these confoundingly stupid errors.

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The hot glued on the USB three connector.

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Why would they do that?

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That's not even a connector

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that is generally known to come out.

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If anything, these things can be so hard to remove

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that you can end up ripping the housing off the board

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when you try to unplug them.

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What a strange thing to do.

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And then they didn't even hot glue this one.

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It's what like, there's just these weird

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sort of moon logic things going on here.

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Where like, if we see this as a concern

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that needs to be rectified by hot glue,

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why is it a concern here, but not here?

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Why is it a concern here, but not here?

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Why is it a concern here, but not here?

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Why is it a concern here, but not here?

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Why is it a concern here, but not here?

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It's the same connector.

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All right, it's not super light,

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but it's also a great wall unit

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who aren't really known for making amazing OEM power supplies.

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So it's a 500 watt unit of which 21 of the 45 amps

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on the 12 volt rail are dedicated to the CPU apparently.

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And then you've got 24 amps leftover for IO,

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whatever that means.

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So it's a two rail power supply,

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which means that you can't have any more than about,

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300-ish watts.

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Now there is one more thing

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that we can have a look at here.

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Let's see how good of a job they did

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of their thermal compound application.

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Frankly, I don't know what to expect

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because some stuff has been done

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to a reasonable degree of competence.

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Like the cable management, honestly,

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considering that the parts for this system

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only come to about $60 less than this completed system.

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So they're only charging us 60 bucks for assembly.

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Like that is definitely a 60,

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$60 assembly job for sure.

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I consider it quite adequate.

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But then there's other things

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like not having the graphics card plugged in

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that are just unbelievable.

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Yeah, no concerns there.

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This was probably the pre-applied thermal compound

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on this heat sink though.

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So it's a little bit of a heavy application,

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but it's quite thin where these direct contact heat pipes

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actually touch the integrated heat spreader.

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So I really, I mean, I have no concerns there

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and I didn't see anything about the thermal performance

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of the system that raised red flags.

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And that's the thing, is I think,

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the bottom line here is that I just,

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even though they're not really making

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a huge amount of margin on this thing

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and they're not charging an unreasonable amount

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for what you get,

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there's just these gross errors in the configuration of it

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that make it impossible to recommend.

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USB two ports on the front panel.

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What is that?

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And the motherboard, it needs a significant upgrade

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so that you don't have to give up performance

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in order to get upgrade ability.

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You should be using a proper board with four memory slots

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and while you're at it, a little bit more expandability.

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Like what it really feels like to me

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is that they blew the motherboard

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and power supply budget on RGB lighting.

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And I get that RGB is for gamers,

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but first and foremost,

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gamers need performance and stability.

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And right now this system just has too many red flags

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for me to possibly recommend it.

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And this whole thing is unfortunate

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because I had really wanted to be

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the contrarian, you know,

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I thought maybe Steve was being too nitpicky or something.

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Not that Steve would ever nitpick on it, you know,

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a minor technical detail, not Steve.

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But I thought maybe he was being nitpicky

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or something like that,

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but I'm just in a position where I'm just not comfortable

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telling anyone to buy this thing either.

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See, I was gonna be like smart

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and give you a hint about like city new performance.

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What were you before you met Yvonne?

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What, what, sorry?

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What were you before you met Yvonne?

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Single?

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Channel?