WEBVTT 00:00:01.240 --> 00:00:09.080 that feeling when a package that you ordered on eBay or whatever finally 00:00:06.240 --> 00:00:14.639 arrives you tear it open take out the packing material and it's that last part 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:20.160 you need to build a machine that you've been waiting forever to build this is my 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:24.800 new motherboard for the DIY PF sense router machine and hopefully the one 00:00:23.400 --> 00:00:29.439 that's going to survive drop a like on the video if you 00:00:27.279 --> 00:00:34.079 like that feeling as well and drop a dislike if uh you hate seeing me kill 00:00:41.760 --> 00:00:48.840 Hardware Corsair RMI series power supplies feature premium components for 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:51.879 great performance with very low noise check out the link in the video 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:57.920 description to learn more be 00:00:55.160 --> 00:01:02.840 respectful this is a graveyard the graveyard of 00:01:00.879 --> 00:01:07.560 motherboards so here is everything for the DIY PF sense 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:15.799 router including my two dead s1200 KP Intel 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:21.960 server boards let's see if third time really is 00:01:18.759 --> 00:01:23.759 a charm now in the comments under part 00:01:21.960 --> 00:01:28.560 one of this video there's a lot of people criticizing the choices that I've 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:33.320 made in terms of the hardware for this machine with crit criticism number one 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:39.320 being lonus why didn't you just buy a cheap oneu machine on eBay and use that 00:01:36.320 --> 00:01:41.159 with my response being well because 00:01:39.320 --> 00:01:46.000 that's not a very interesting video me sitting at my computer clicking by and 00:01:43.759 --> 00:01:53.079 number two with people saying how over kill it is that I'm using a Zeon for a 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:55.399 router I know we already had it I didn't 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:58.840 I didn't run out and and buy it to make this video now with that said I have 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:05.320 bought a couple motherboards now but that is because we are already many 00:02:02.479 --> 00:02:09.720 hours of 3D printing into creating some custom Hardware in order to make this 00:02:07.520 --> 00:02:15.280 project work and could we have found something that would fit together better 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:17.720 out of the box yes of course we could 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:24.319 but that's not fun and we are going to start by testing this motherboard 00:02:21.160 --> 00:02:28.200 outside of the system to find out if it 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:30.160 works at all before we uh introduce some 00:02:28.200 --> 00:02:37.480 of the variables that might end up killing it so we'll start with CPU 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:39.280 installation this CPU known good I 00:02:37.480 --> 00:02:44.879 actually ran it uh right before I started up this 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:49.800 build log in the first place and it was fine RAM very unlikely that's killing 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:54.239 our motherboard it's actually on the validated list not to mention that it's 00:02:51.720 --> 00:02:58.840 Kingston RAM and the last time Kingston produced RAM that killed anything was oh 00:02:56.120 --> 00:03:03.599 I don't know never now I've got a lot of people saying that it's my cooler and 00:03:01.640 --> 00:03:08.519 back plate that are killing the board to which I would reply did you even watch 00:03:06.440 --> 00:03:12.159 like did you even watch the video the entire back plate is covered in 00:03:10.200 --> 00:03:17.080 electrical tape that is not what happened but for the haters I'm going to 00:03:15.519 --> 00:03:20.879 go and I'm going to grab a stock heat sink to test the board with 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:30.360 first for extra safety I'm going to try 00:03:27.200 --> 00:03:34.159 a standard desktop power supply next 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:36.400 now I don't think the problem is my 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:43.200 power supply what I think the problem is is someone that almost nobody in the 00:03:39.760 --> 00:03:45.920 comments actually picked up on and that 00:03:43.200 --> 00:03:50.760 is this four pin connector that comes off of the oneu power supply that I 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:55.000 plugged into a fan header on the motherboard that I checked with a 00:03:52.360 --> 00:04:00.439 multimeter later and which appeared to be 00:03:55.959 --> 00:04:03.200 supplying rather than requiring power 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:08.079 no power to my mouse and keyboard why don't we start 00:04:04.920 --> 00:04:10.959 with different RAM and see how it goes 00:04:08.079 --> 00:04:16.280 from there now it's always possible when a motherboard dies that it can take 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:22.479 other Hardware with it and I really hoping that it didn't kill our Zeon 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:23.960 CPU let's try a different CPU so now 00:04:22.479 --> 00:04:30.840 I've got a 3570k from the CPU pile to try the weird 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:36.199 thing is with the the other chip I wasn't getting any beep codes and it was 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:40.639 warming up it was actually getting power okay this time it's failing post new 00:04:39.039 --> 00:04:44.280 plan it's quite possible that even though they're on the same socket uh 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:50.240 this motherboard doesn't actually support the 3000 Series processor so I 00:04:48.280 --> 00:04:55.199 grabbed a 2600 and we're going to take this baby 00:04:52.840 --> 00:05:00.400 for a spin no power to the peripheral 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:04.800 still I'm starting to think we've got a dead board on our hands 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:11.840 here I can try a different stick of memory so oh oh hello so she's a little 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:16.919 picky on the memory compatibility but we 00:05:11.840 --> 00:05:20.960 have a post this is good news now let's 00:05:16.919 --> 00:05:24.840 try our Zeon chip with that 00:05:20.960 --> 00:05:28.240 RAM and see how that goes I think we may 00:05:24.840 --> 00:05:32.560 have not only killed our board but also 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:35.840 killed our CPU and RAM so we're going to 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:37.120 the 2600 and the full height RAM even 00:05:35.840 --> 00:05:42.720 though that's not really going to work for the final build I'm going to give it 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:45.680 a shot first I'm going to try the 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:50.319 3570k to see if our BIOS update at the very least might have given us more 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:54.000 options for newer generation processors to work in this board well that's the 00:05:52.479 --> 00:06:01.520 end of that chapter now let's try the uh now let's 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:01.520 try the original Zeon 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:11.199 hey all right the RAM 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:14.520 works but the CPU is dead which means I 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:17.639 can build today and change out the CPU 00:06:14.520 --> 00:06:20.160 if I decide to do that at all remember 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:24.599 zon for ECC support so we're not actually taking advantage of the ECC 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:29.599 memory so if I decide to change out the CPU I can do that at another time all 00:06:27.280 --> 00:06:35.400 right let's let's let's Forge ahead then I'm gon give you guys a little lesson on 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:38.919 electronics a piece of plastic shroud 00:06:35.400 --> 00:06:41.440 over top of a speaker does not affect 00:06:38.919 --> 00:06:42.680 the functionality as I will prove right 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:49.440 now so as you can see just like on the 00:06:46.039 --> 00:06:52.520 previous two attempts I have only 00:06:49.440 --> 00:06:57.759 removed the top of the plastic let's go 00:06:52.520 --> 00:07:00.360 power it on oh what's that oh oh cutting 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:04.520 down oh cutting down the speaker doesn't do anything because why would it I could 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:10.319 rip the speaker right off and it wouldn't do anything the speaker just 00:07:06.479 --> 00:07:12.440 wouldn't work huh how about that the 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:16.879 number of people educating me about the dangers of a metal back 00:07:14.400 --> 00:07:22.120 plate fairly High I don't know if you guys know this but uh the manufacturer 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:24.400 of this CPU heat sink is also aware of 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:28.319 the dangers of metal back plates and the back plate actually had a non-conductive 00:07:27.039 --> 00:07:34.240 coating on it um 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:35.800 so yeah that that was a thing 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:42.240 um but just in case I had damaged that 00:07:39.440 --> 00:07:48.840 non-conductive coating I did there we go we've got CPU contact I 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:51.479 did cover it in electricians tape last 00:07:48.840 --> 00:07:56.479 time around the internet was right I think the back plate heat sink mount did 00:07:54.599 --> 00:08:01.800 Kill the board because we are now down to well up to three dead boards but not 00:07:59.879 --> 00:08:07.520 for the reason that they think it did because the back plates anti- conductive 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:12.199 coating was not penetrated I think the reason it died was actually from too 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:16.440 much mounting pressure but there's good news and we are going ahead with the 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:23.319 project because I've discovered that my Z87 n Wi-Fi 00:08:18.919 --> 00:08:26.680 motherboard happens to be almost 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:29.159 identically laid out to the Intel board 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:35.440 that we were using before so I've grabbed a different Zeon and we are just 00:08:31.960 --> 00:08:37.560 going to build a router today damn it no 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:45.240 matter what because our gigabit internet upgrade is already done so here we go 00:08:41.560 --> 00:08:46.959 now for my next trick I'm going to take 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:51.839 my test bench and physically move it into the 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:57.720 case all right power supply still 00:08:55.320 --> 00:09:02.320 works very good we are in good shape shape friends 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:08.640 we are in good shapee okay there's still one more thing to go wrong actually now 00:09:05.079 --> 00:09:11.440 I'm not going to use the same PCI e1x 00:09:08.640 --> 00:09:16.839 Riser that I was using before if I can get away with it because my 16x Riser 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:21.440 that I ordered on eBay actually has finally arrived so we should be able to 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:29.560 get full 4X performance out of this card assuming that this solution works at all 00:09:25.839 --> 00:09:33.040 um so now we're going to go almost all 00:09:29.560 --> 00:09:36.240 the way and boot into the OS and see if 00:09:33.040 --> 00:09:36.240 our network card is 00:09:40.160 --> 00:09:45.120 recognized let's pull this back off oh 00:09:43.920 --> 00:09:50.959 oh I think that was plugged in kind of funny maybe that was the issue all 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:53.680 right that was the issue just needed to receip that 00:09:54.600 --> 00:10:03.360 puppy and I really don't like that this keeps going load optimize default then 00:09:59.880 --> 00:10:06.000 boot you stop that What's your 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:09.279 deal so it actually blue screened even without our network card in there which 00:10:07.839 --> 00:10:13.399 leads me to believe maybe it's something else my Windows 7 bench Drive could be 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:18.480 just kind of flaky right now so let's try my Windows 8 test drive so we're 00:10:15.920 --> 00:10:21.720 booted into the Windows 8 drive so we're going to try our network card 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:29.760 again if anyone from Microsoft is watching why the 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:32.959 actual if I start typing my password immediately on that screen and I only 00:10:31.760 --> 00:10:37.959 have a single user account on the machine does it not just log me in 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:42.880 there's always like a quarter of a second delay and it misses the first 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:45.959 character or two fix that all of our 00:10:42.880 --> 00:10:51.920 Network ports are showing up it is time 00:10:45.959 --> 00:10:51.920 to actually install it inside the 00:10:53.360 --> 00:11:01.920 machine so what I'm doing is I'm actually trying to jam enough wires 00:10:58.800 --> 00:11:05.480 through this Gap that even if I 00:11:01.920 --> 00:11:08.920 accidentally press down on this tab 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:10.839 while I close it it actually can't open 00:11:08.920 --> 00:11:16.760 cuz that'll release my memory modules just for doing some some quick testing 00:11:13.560 --> 00:11:22.000 here so I'm going to put this baby up 00:11:16.760 --> 00:11:24.079 here right oh we're close I can smell it 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:29.320 now this is a cool thing about this case you can actually 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:35.480 install your expansion card either way and I think we may be better served by 00:11:31.880 --> 00:11:38.760 doing it this way this time so if I 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:43.680 press on these is it going to move 00:11:38.760 --> 00:11:47.839 nope it's finally here everything is 00:11:43.680 --> 00:11:51.680 working which leads us at 00:11:47.839 --> 00:11:56.680 last to the whole point the thing I 00:11:51.680 --> 00:12:01.040 wanted to test with this video our 00:11:56.680 --> 00:12:04.079 custom cooling shroud 00:12:01.040 --> 00:12:07.680 forour heat sink we need to test two 00:12:04.079 --> 00:12:12.880 different scenarios number one how does 00:12:07.680 --> 00:12:14.920 it perform with only these high RPM fans 00:12:12.880 --> 00:12:21.360 pulling air from the front and blowing it out the back of the chassis towards 00:12:17.959 --> 00:12:23.480 our aligned CPU heat sink and in order 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:28.800 to give this config the best fighting chance we're actually going to try it a 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:32.360 couple of different ways because you can see 00:12:29.920 --> 00:12:38.800 the way the chassis is meant to channel airf flow is in the front SL top a 00:12:36.160 --> 00:12:44.760 little bit and then out these ventilation holes at the back so we can 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:48.839 actually try it both with the whole 00:12:44.760 --> 00:12:52.000 thing open and with everything around 00:12:48.839 --> 00:12:54.240 the CPU heat sink itself actually 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:59.279 blocked off so that we're getting more air flow through the fins of the heat 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:04.480 sink but let's try it completely open first so our idle temps actually look 00:13:01.959 --> 00:13:11.920 pretty good sitting in the 35 to you know 40° range so for the sake 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:18.680 of this video I think we're going to use the uh CPU package temperature here all 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:23.320 right let's start a stress test and see what happens to that well 65 still 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:29.240 climbing uh so what are our so our 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:33.480 hottest core is sitting at around 60° with the package sitting at 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:37.680 63 all right we'll let that reach equilibrium and we'll come back in just 00:13:34.920 --> 00:13:44.120 a moment okay small update temperatures are still Rising we've reached 70° on 00:13:41.040 --> 00:13:47.240 the CPU package 71 now okay I think our 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:49.800 maximum temps have settled in now per my 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:56.720 usual approach I'm taking the highest number that it's recorded So CPU package 00:13:53.079 --> 00:13:59.600 has spiked as high as an 80° 00:13:56.720 --> 00:14:02.839 reading a little higher than I'd be comfortable with with that said this 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:09.240 system's not going to be under that kind of a load 24/7 but still so we're going 00:14:07.079 --> 00:14:14.839 to go ahead and we're going to block off the holes that we don't want it 00:14:12.040 --> 00:14:20.120 using and see if that helps now it's actually kind of hard to tell from 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:24.800 looking at these temperatures because they're kind of all over the place but 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:29.959 with our blocked off holes you can actually see from the curve that shows 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:37.959 all of the cart temperatures that we're getting a little bit 00:14:32.680 --> 00:14:40.720 more empty space under that 70° Mark 00:14:37.959 --> 00:14:46.040 right there so I would say yes we did get a few degrees 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:51.360 Improvement by using this approach this is kind of a funny story I've got the uh 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:57.279 the architect of the fan shroud that we'll be installing for our second test 00:14:54.639 --> 00:15:01.759 and he was about to explain to me why one of the pieces of the Shroud has like 00:14:59.199 --> 00:15:06.519 this janky thing cut in it so when I was modeling it originally I forgot that 00:15:04.199 --> 00:15:11.920 there's is it I think it's this thing yeah yeah this thing is right in the way 00:15:09.040 --> 00:15:16.160 so oh look it perfectly fits now okay so we actually had to change the 00:15:12.839 --> 00:15:19.800 motherboard yeah I know so now my all my 00:15:16.160 --> 00:15:21.320 plans are are wrecked uh all the 00:15:19.800 --> 00:15:26.000 original measurements like is it significantly different 00:15:23.079 --> 00:15:30.480 no okay so now that you move that where it belongs this shroud should fit very 00:15:28.040 --> 00:15:35.079 oh look at how perfect perfect that is it's so perfect and I gave this buffer 00:15:32.959 --> 00:15:40.120 room here I didn't make it as long as it needs to be cuz it can overlap a little 00:15:37.079 --> 00:15:41.839 bit your modesty is truly amazing yeah 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:46.680 just be careful 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:51.279 just supposed to be flex room for it to be able to go in there that fits that's 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:55.880 correct okay okay now no I I want to do it I want to do it I want do it all 00:15:53.120 --> 00:16:00.880 right note that the design still allows these three fans to cool the network 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:04.480 card although we did not determine that we needed a shroud for that that little 00:16:02.959 --> 00:16:10.120 that thing is in the way I didn't model that so it's uh oh well it's supposed to 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:15.480 be flush on the top it's not the way I designed it but yeah I mean it it's 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:20.399 supposed to be flush I mean it's mostly flush most of the air flow is going to 00:16:17.680 --> 00:16:24.440 make it to the heat sink I think which is okay because it won't kill the system 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:30.240 to have a little bit of air flow over here looks cool doesn't it all right 00:16:27.199 --> 00:16:33.959 let's close it up and and find out if 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:36.040 our Maniac scheme here worked so for 00:16:33.959 --> 00:16:40.079 those wondering we actually 3D printed this sucker on the ultimaker 2 that we 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:47.049 reviewed in the video that you can check out right over 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:56.079 here there you have it folks absolutely 00:16:53.160 --> 00:16:59.360 fantastic by using our 3D printed shroud to direct more air flow towards our 00:16:58.079 --> 00:17:03.639 passive heat s we were able to drop our CPU 00:17:01.680 --> 00:17:09.760 temperatures by somewhere in the neighborhood of about 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:11.880 10° meaning that even Under full load I 00:17:09.760 --> 00:17:17.400 would be extremely comfortable running this system all the time it took a long 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:25.079 time for us to get here but our router is finally ready to 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:30.840 load up pfSense and deploy in the server 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:30.840 room with our new gigabit connection woo 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:36.120 oh hi I didn't see you there you know what's 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