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480 super more like 480 wow super paint

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job in 4k gaming we found next to no

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difference across our entire Suite of games between our two top end cards in

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fact our super card performed a bit

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worse in cyber Punk compared to our nons super despite having more cores and

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higher onp paper clock speeds now that doesn't mean that the super is a worse

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card overall we just released a video demonstrating that modern processors can

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have measurable difference from one to the next all it means is power limits

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are a bit and this whole launch Shenanigans could have been an email so

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rather than waste your time trickling out LTT review videos every couple of

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weeks with o one more line on the graph

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we combined everything into one super

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video between the price cuts and the new cards though the GPU Market has

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officially been shaken up a lot here do4

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frame the 4080 super presents virtually the the same value as the Beloved 3080

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at its original MSRP and while the other super refresh cards don't get lower

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prices they're at least more Winter Soldier super than Nick Fury super

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finally the 470 gets a price cut down to $550 which makes it actually still kind

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of a bad value uh we're not going to spend too much time on 1080p gaming

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because even the weakest card in this kind of price tier delivers an excellent

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1080p Ultra experience it is impressive to see the 3080 sinking so low on our

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charts though and the 4070 super is

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really impressive beating out even the 3090 despite retailing for less than the

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historically low pricing on that card if you're an Esports player the good news

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is any card on this chart will do you well but the bad news is the word super

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can mean basically anything from a sizable performance increase

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to me so what exactly did they change

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with these cards let's go through it after this message from our sponsor

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check out build Redux at the link below to learn more the 470 super uses the

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same 8104 silicon that's found on its nons super and TI cousins man these

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names a but it comes with 20% increases

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in its functional units or Fus for short

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just about across the board and it got an especially big bump in level two

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cache it however got no increase to its

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memory interface width or its 12 GB of

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vram a move that seems entirely designed to ensure that this otherwise actually

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pretty solid value card won't last for

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the rest of this generation of console games many of which already perform best

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with 16 gigs of vram or more so if that's a concern you'll have to

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look to the 470 TI super it now shares

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the same 8103 silicon as the 480 family

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but it's clear that this move is less about providing more value and more

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about NVIDIA offloading some 8103 chips that weren't up to Snuff as for the 480

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super the modest increase in Fus seems to offer a small benefit sometimes but

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other times it's clear that NVIDIA's power limit for this card is doing

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exactly what it intended to do limit its

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power you'll see what I mean at 1440p the 470 TI super is another major

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disappointment here despite the shift to the bigger die we don't really see a

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major increase in performance at least not like we saw on the 470 super and

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even at its new lower price the 4080 super doesn't seem to offer a great

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value proposition over AMD's 7900 XT or

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NVIDIA's own 47 ETI super which now retail for 750 and $800 respectively it

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offers only a singled digigit performance uplift for what are in both

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cases double- digigit price pumps a couple of bright spots for NVIDIA though

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are they took the lead in f123 a game series that has heavily favored AMD in

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the past and the 4070 super just kind of

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in general that is an offer that is kind of hard to refuse at least in the

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context of NVIDIA's other 40 series cards say it with me guys this is the

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card NVIDIA should have released a year year ago looking at games like cyberpunk

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the Step Up from the nons super is pretty darn big and yeah it's $100 more

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than the 7800 XT but the 4070 super

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outperforms it consistently by about 5%

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and is compatible with NVIDIA Fancy Pants AI features like their new

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automatic SDR to HDR video playback Tom Foolery and dlss with frame gen we're

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going to get to frame gen in a bit but first let's move on to 4K raster gaming

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in Dota 2 at 4K every single super GPU will be able to produce as many frames

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as you can possibly output with DisplayPort 1.4a AMD's dp2 clad gpus on the

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other hand may end up being the go-to for high refresh rate 4K e athletes even

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if it comes at the cost of some performance in other games the 480 super

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pulls pretty far ahead of the 7900 XT in Red Dead Redemption 2 and atomic heart

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as for the 470 TI super it has fully caught up to the 7900 XT and extends its

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lead over the 470 super to about 20% a

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point where its $800 price tag could almost be

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justifiable and the 470 super begins falling behind the 3090 it appears to be

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being held back by that 12 gigs of video memory that we complained about before

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if you were hoping that this refresh then would push the prospect of 4K Ultra

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gaming to a lower price bracket I'm sorry but that just isn't the case and

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it appears to be by Design so with NVIDIA's cards having names that are too

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long and traditional raster gaming performance that is at best competitive

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with AMD the question becomes are NVIDIA's other features worth the price

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premium let's take a quick detour into productivity and find out now featuring

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I'm so sorry you must be so tired of hearing about it AI benchmarks The proon

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Benchmark is testing the speed of inference of various AI models on this

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Hardware things like upscaling and object recognition or generating images

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like with stable diffusion like it'll see pixels and infer that those pixels

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form a stop sign and naturally we see NVIDIA dominate here but this isn't just

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some architectural failure on AMD's part

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a big part of it is software Cuda has been around for a long time now and

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basically every AI program is accelerated by NVIDIA's Cuda course

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whereas AMD is stuck in direct ml hell in this test and just can't keep up so

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we're going to be working to build out an AI Suite that is more representative

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as time goes on of note this is the first instance where we see an actual

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increase in performance from the 4080 refres excuse me 4080 super if AI is a

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major part of your workflow then you can be thankful that you're now getting even

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better AI performance for less money at the very high end similarly in blender

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AMD is hamstrung by lacking software support and we see NVIDIA dominate the

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rendering race even without taking advantage of their Optics rendering in

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however that uplift that we saw in AI workloads on the 4080 redu sorry sorry

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480 super has all but evaporated let's talk about how NVIDIA's

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AI horsepower affects gaming now then with DSS and frame gen as we've seen in

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the past an increase in AI cores doesn't

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correlate to improved performance from dlss and frame gen you turn them on and

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they work or you don't turn them on and they don't work you get roughly a 60%

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increase in FPS from aing dlss with frame gen regardless of which card

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you're using that is assuming it's green which dramatically increases performance

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with what has become a pretty small difference in visual Fidelity the

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increase in latency is measurable but outside of professional Gamers and

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enthusiasts I think it's kind of reached the point where it's like well why

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wouldn't I turn this on as for AMD you might have noticed that even though they

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finally launched their driver level frame generation we didn't included in

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our results we wanted to be as Apples to

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Apples as possible and in theory it's really cool you just turn it on in the

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adrenaline control panel and it boosts your FPS in any directx11 or directx12

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game though like with NVIDIA they do say you need decent performance already for

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it to work its best with AMD recommending 60 FPS the problem is that

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we were not able to get consistent outputs such that we would be confident

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putting them on our graphs so we've got some screen capture here for you guys to

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give you you some idea of what you might expect in terms of a performance uplift

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but I think it's going to have to wait for a future video to see how their

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fluid motion frames compared to NVIDIA when it comes to image quality and

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latency another place speaking of latency where AMD has legged behind

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NVIDIA has been Ray tracing which

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doesn't change at all the introduction of these performance bumps and the new

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SKS will all but Force AMD to Discount

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pretty much their entire current gen lineup at at least if they want to

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appeal to Ray tracing Enthusiast Gamers post price cut the 4080 now competes

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directly with the 7900 XTX with slightly better raster and much better rage

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racing performance alongside other NVIDIA waloff features and the story is

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the same when it comes to power consumption even with the bump to Total

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power consumption NVIDIA's new cards handily outclass AMD in overall

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efficiency and if you were worried that the power bump would result in thermal

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problems maybe on the 480 super for example you can rest easy knowing that

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thermals on all of these cards were very much in check so you can rest easy and

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comfortably in our new collection of pajamas we have onesies and lounge pants

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by now if you are it's probably cuz you're pretty smart and observing NVIDIA

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is pulling from the exact same Playbook

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as they did with the 20 series seriously

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stop me if this sounds familiar you release a generation of cards that is

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perceived as not offering a very good value and in fact not offering much in

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the way of a performance improvement over the last gen then you do a midcycle

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super refresh so that you can say yeah

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we know this one was kind of a downer but we're listening well that may have

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been a very long 4 and 1/2 years ago but

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I haven't forgotten NVIDIA and how is it that you thought that this was worth

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dragging out over a month plus long series of launch events did anyone else

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notice that they gave nothing to The Gamers who already had the least this

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generation what about people who have less than

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$500 to spend on a gaming accessory

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NVIDIA is basically yielding that customer to Sony or Microsoft so I hate

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to say it but unless Intel Arc battle mage swoops in to save us

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apus might be the future that we have to look forward to for Budget PC gaming as

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