1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,799 480 super more like 480 wow super paint 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,679 job in 4k gaming we found next to no 3 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:13,880 difference across our entire Suite of games between our two top end cards in 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:16,560 fact our super card performed a bit 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:21,960 worse in cyber Punk compared to our nons super despite having more cores and 6 00:00:19,359 --> 00:00:26,519 higher onp paper clock speeds now that doesn't mean that the super is a worse 7 00:00:24,119 --> 00:00:30,359 card overall we just released a video demonstrating that modern processors can 8 00:00:28,439 --> 00:00:35,600 have measurable difference from one to the next all it means is power limits 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:40,079 are a bit and this whole launch Shenanigans could have been an email so 10 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:45,760 rather than waste your time trickling out LTT review videos every couple of 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:49,160 weeks with o one more line on the graph 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:51,520 we combined everything into one super 13 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:57,160 video between the price cuts and the new cards though the GPU Market has 14 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:59,760 officially been shaken up a lot here do4 15 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:06,360 frame the 4080 super presents virtually the the same value as the Beloved 3080 16 00:01:03,399 --> 00:01:10,799 at its original MSRP and while the other super refresh cards don't get lower 17 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:17,479 prices they're at least more Winter Soldier super than Nick Fury super 18 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:23,479 finally the 470 gets a price cut down to $550 which makes it actually still kind 19 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:27,880 of a bad value uh we're not going to spend too much time on 1080p gaming 20 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:32,799 because even the weakest card in this kind of price tier delivers an excellent 21 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:38,479 1080p Ultra experience it is impressive to see the 3080 sinking so low on our 22 00:01:35,320 --> 00:01:40,720 charts though and the 4070 super is 23 00:01:38,479 --> 00:01:46,159 really impressive beating out even the 3090 despite retailing for less than the 24 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:50,119 historically low pricing on that card if you're an Esports player the good news 25 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:55,840 is any card on this chart will do you well but the bad news is the word super 26 00:01:53,360 --> 00:02:02,759 can mean basically anything from a sizable performance increase 27 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:05,200 to me so what exactly did they change 28 00:02:02,759 --> 00:02:10,920 with these cards let's go through it after this message from our sponsor 29 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:13,319 build Redux hey do you like gaming the 30 00:02:10,920 --> 00:02:16,879 folks over at build Redux do as well and their mission is to help you build the 31 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:20,720 gaming rig of your dreams Pick Your Parts and let them take care of the rest 32 00:02:18,959 --> 00:02:25,720 check out build Redux at the link below to learn more the 470 super uses the 33 00:02:23,519 --> 00:02:32,599 same 8104 silicon that's found on its nons super and TI cousins man these 34 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:36,120 names a but it comes with 20% increases 35 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:37,599 in its functional units or Fus for short 36 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:42,400 just about across the board and it got an especially big bump in level two 37 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:45,519 cache it however got no increase to its 38 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:48,159 memory interface width or its 12 GB of 39 00:02:45,519 --> 00:02:53,360 vram a move that seems entirely designed to ensure that this otherwise actually 40 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,920 pretty solid value card won't last for 41 00:02:53,360 --> 00:03:00,440 the rest of this generation of console games many of which already perform best 42 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:05,799 with 16 gigs of vram or more so if that's a concern you'll have to 43 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:09,440 look to the 470 TI super it now shares 44 00:03:05,799 --> 00:03:11,120 the same 8103 silicon as the 480 family 45 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:15,840 but it's clear that this move is less about providing more value and more 46 00:03:13,239 --> 00:03:21,599 about NVIDIA offloading some 8103 chips that weren't up to Snuff as for the 480 47 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:27,040 super the modest increase in Fus seems to offer a small benefit sometimes but 48 00:03:25,159 --> 00:03:31,920 other times it's clear that NVIDIA's power limit for this card is doing 49 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:34,840 exactly what it intended to do limit its 50 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:39,239 power you'll see what I mean at 1440p the 470 TI super is another major 51 00:03:37,159 --> 00:03:43,480 disappointment here despite the shift to the bigger die we don't really see a 52 00:03:41,239 --> 00:03:49,319 major increase in performance at least not like we saw on the 470 super and 53 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:55,760 even at its new lower price the 4080 super doesn't seem to offer a great 54 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:58,280 value proposition over AMD's 7900 XT or 55 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:03,920 NVIDIA's own 47 ETI super which now retail for 750 and $800 respectively it 56 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:08,680 offers only a singled digigit performance uplift for what are in both 57 00:04:05,959 --> 00:04:12,840 cases double- digigit price pumps a couple of bright spots for NVIDIA though 58 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:18,000 are they took the lead in f123 a game series that has heavily favored AMD in 59 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:20,040 the past and the 4070 super just kind of 60 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:24,440 in general that is an offer that is kind of hard to refuse at least in the 61 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:29,720 context of NVIDIA's other 40 series cards say it with me guys this is the 62 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:34,120 card NVIDIA should have released a year year ago looking at games like cyberpunk 63 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:40,960 the Step Up from the nons super is pretty darn big and yeah it's $100 more 64 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:44,320 than the 7800 XT but the 4070 super 65 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:46,240 outperforms it consistently by about 5% 66 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:51,199 and is compatible with NVIDIA Fancy Pants AI features like their new 67 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:55,560 automatic SDR to HDR video playback Tom Foolery and dlss with frame gen we're 68 00:04:53,960 --> 00:05:01,320 going to get to frame gen in a bit but first let's move on to 4K raster gaming 69 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:05,360 in Dota 2 at 4K every single super GPU will be able to produce as many frames 70 00:05:03,479 --> 00:05:11,720 as you can possibly output with DisplayPort 1.4a AMD's dp2 clad gpus on the 71 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:15,840 other hand may end up being the go-to for high refresh rate 4K e athletes even 72 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:21,360 if it comes at the cost of some performance in other games the 480 super 73 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:26,160 pulls pretty far ahead of the 7900 XT in Red Dead Redemption 2 and atomic heart 74 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:32,960 as for the 470 TI super it has fully caught up to the 7900 XT and extends its 75 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:35,400 lead over the 470 super to about 20% a 76 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:39,759 point where its $800 price tag could almost be 77 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:44,680 justifiable and the 470 super begins falling behind the 3090 it appears to be 78 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:48,400 being held back by that 12 gigs of video memory that we complained about before 79 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:53,080 if you were hoping that this refresh then would push the prospect of 4K Ultra 80 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:57,759 gaming to a lower price bracket I'm sorry but that just isn't the case and 81 00:05:55,520 --> 00:06:01,319 it appears to be by Design so with NVIDIA's cards having names that are too 82 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:06,080 long and traditional raster gaming performance that is at best competitive 83 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:10,639 with AMD the question becomes are NVIDIA's other features worth the price 84 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:15,039 premium let's take a quick detour into productivity and find out now featuring 85 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:19,960 I'm so sorry you must be so tired of hearing about it AI benchmarks The proon 86 00:06:18,199 --> 00:06:25,280 Benchmark is testing the speed of inference of various AI models on this 87 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:29,800 Hardware things like upscaling and object recognition or generating images 88 00:06:27,919 --> 00:06:35,080 like with stable diffusion like it'll see pixels and infer that those pixels 89 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:41,840 form a stop sign and naturally we see NVIDIA dominate here but this isn't just 90 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:44,599 some architectural failure on AMD's part 91 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:49,919 a big part of it is software Cuda has been around for a long time now and 92 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:55,400 basically every AI program is accelerated by NVIDIA's Cuda course 93 00:06:52,479 --> 00:06:59,039 whereas AMD is stuck in direct ml hell in this test and just can't keep up so 94 00:06:57,879 --> 00:07:04,319 we're going to be working to build out an AI Suite that is more representative 95 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:08,520 as time goes on of note this is the first instance where we see an actual 96 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:14,240 increase in performance from the 4080 refres excuse me 4080 super if AI is a 97 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:18,560 major part of your workflow then you can be thankful that you're now getting even 98 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:23,280 better AI performance for less money at the very high end similarly in blender 99 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:27,759 AMD is hamstrung by lacking software support and we see NVIDIA dominate the 100 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:32,360 rendering race even without taking advantage of their Optics rendering in 101 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:37,759 however that uplift that we saw in AI workloads on the 4080 redu sorry sorry 102 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:41,879 480 super has all but evaporated let's talk about how NVIDIA's 103 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:47,960 AI horsepower affects gaming now then with DSS and frame gen as we've seen in 104 00:07:44,479 --> 00:07:50,440 the past an increase in AI cores doesn't 105 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:55,199 correlate to improved performance from dlss and frame gen you turn them on and 106 00:07:53,479 --> 00:08:00,400 they work or you don't turn them on and they don't work you get roughly a 60% 107 00:07:57,919 --> 00:08:04,440 increase in FPS from aing dlss with frame gen regardless of which card 108 00:08:02,159 --> 00:08:09,639 you're using that is assuming it's green which dramatically increases performance 109 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:14,440 with what has become a pretty small difference in visual Fidelity the 110 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:19,199 increase in latency is measurable but outside of professional Gamers and 111 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:23,599 enthusiasts I think it's kind of reached the point where it's like well why 112 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:27,639 wouldn't I turn this on as for AMD you might have noticed that even though they 113 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:33,279 finally launched their driver level frame generation we didn't included in 114 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:35,399 our results we wanted to be as Apples to 115 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:39,120 Apples as possible and in theory it's really cool you just turn it on in the 116 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:44,240 adrenaline control panel and it boosts your FPS in any directx11 or directx12 117 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:47,279 game though like with NVIDIA they do say you need decent performance already for 118 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:53,080 it to work its best with AMD recommending 60 FPS the problem is that 119 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:57,480 we were not able to get consistent outputs such that we would be confident 120 00:08:55,160 --> 00:09:02,120 putting them on our graphs so we've got some screen capture here for you guys to 121 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:05,640 give you you some idea of what you might expect in terms of a performance uplift 122 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:09,880 but I think it's going to have to wait for a future video to see how their 123 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:14,360 fluid motion frames compared to NVIDIA when it comes to image quality and 124 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:19,760 latency another place speaking of latency where AMD has legged behind 125 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:21,640 NVIDIA has been Ray tracing which 126 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:26,959 doesn't change at all the introduction of these performance bumps and the new 127 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:28,680 SKS will all but Force AMD to Discount 128 00:09:26,959 --> 00:09:33,000 pretty much their entire current gen lineup at at least if they want to 129 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:38,360 appeal to Ray tracing Enthusiast Gamers post price cut the 4080 now competes 130 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:42,560 directly with the 7900 XTX with slightly better raster and much better rage 131 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:47,040 racing performance alongside other NVIDIA waloff features and the story is 132 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:51,399 the same when it comes to power consumption even with the bump to Total 133 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:55,040 power consumption NVIDIA's new cards handily outclass AMD in overall 134 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:58,920 efficiency and if you were worried that the power bump would result in thermal 135 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:03,240 problems maybe on the 480 super for example you can rest easy knowing that 136 00:10:01,079 --> 00:10:08,040 thermals on all of these cards were very much in check so you can rest easy and 137 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:13,279 comfortably in our new collection of pajamas we have onesies and lounge pants 138 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:17,839 now available at LTD store.com now is anyone else getting a sense of deja vu 139 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:24,040 by now if you are it's probably cuz you're pretty smart and observing NVIDIA 140 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:27,560 is pulling from the exact same Playbook 141 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:29,440 as they did with the 20 series seriously 142 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:34,640 stop me if this sounds familiar you release a generation of cards that is 143 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:38,360 perceived as not offering a very good value and in fact not offering much in 144 00:10:36,839 --> 00:10:45,040 the way of a performance improvement over the last gen then you do a midcycle 145 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,639 super refresh so that you can say yeah 146 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:52,560 we know this one was kind of a downer but we're listening well that may have 147 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:54,920 been a very long 4 and 1/2 years ago but 148 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:59,600 I haven't forgotten NVIDIA and how is it that you 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