1 00:00:00,719 --> 00:00:11,240 as you can see that is a video card on the test bench that is the brand 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:13,679 spanking new gForce GTS 450 from NVIDIA 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:18,480 this is the Cyclone OC that is overclocked Edition from MSI it has 1 4 00:00:15,799 --> 00:00:23,199 gig of RAM so you can see I have the box for it here along with a couple cards 5 00:00:21,279 --> 00:00:29,160 that I'm going to be comparing it against today so first of all we want to 6 00:00:26,439 --> 00:00:35,040 compare it against the GTX 460 so you can see I have a Cyclone OC 1 gig card 7 00:00:32,079 --> 00:00:40,039 from MSI for that comparison Point here's the box for the GTS 450 which is 8 00:00:38,079 --> 00:00:44,559 the one on the test bench right now and because it's one of the closest price 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:50,239 competitors on the ATI side although uh slightly more expensive at launch the 10 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:54,160 5770 uh will also be included in the comparison today we're just going to run 11 00:00:51,559 --> 00:00:59,079 some simple numbers and yeah let's see how it goes both from 12 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:03,640 a performance standpoint as well as from a there's my energy meter power 13 00:01:01,519 --> 00:01:06,600 consumption standpoint the test platform why don't we go through that really 14 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,600 quick you can see I have like ghetto plastic in between these to keep them 15 00:01:08,119 --> 00:01:15,439 from touching it's because I left my test bench um and I don't really have 16 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:22,079 one to use at the moment but that's neither here nor there we have a 4.15 17 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:26,040 GHz core i7 980x under a cooler here we 18 00:01:22,079 --> 00:01:29,640 have 12 gigs of ocz special edition DDR3 19 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:34,680 RAM a big bang X power MSI Motherboard 20 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:36,399 and we have a 90 plus% efficient fanless 21 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,759 power supply actually running the whole thing so that's going to give us a 22 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:45,719 really good idea of how much power is actually being drawn the hard drive is 23 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:47,719 going to be an ocz vertex Le 200 gig 24 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:51,520 drive and I guess that pretty much covers the test platform all right well 25 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:57,759 our Vantage run is complete so you can see the GTS 450 scored 26 00:01:54,320 --> 00:02:01,719 11,431 3D marks with 9,200 of those 27 00:01:57,759 --> 00:02:05,200 almost 9,300 being on the GPU score now 28 00:02:01,719 --> 00:02:08,200 I want to just point something out this 29 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:13,520 Benchmark is not particularly useful for comparing the 450 to the 30 00:02:10,959 --> 00:02:19,959 5770 but when you're looking at two cards within the same architecture 31 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:22,000 family so these are both firmy based 32 00:02:19,959 --> 00:02:28,080 derivatives okay so if we compare it against the 460 it on the same platform 33 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:30,120 it should give us at least a a fairly 34 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:36,440 good indication of how the power these cards compares to each other speaking of 35 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:38,879 power the 450 maxed out at 337 wats 36 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:45,120 during our Vantage test so let's bear that number in mind for 37 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:52,080 later next Benchmark is Crisis so this is running at uh 10 oh 1680 by 1050 38 00:02:49,519 --> 00:02:56,440 that's the word I was looking for it is running at you can see our last run was 39 00:02:54,599 --> 00:02:59,840 uh 61 frames per second that was the first run out of the bench though so 40 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:04,239 usually that one goes a little bit slow lower so you can see the average FPS for 41 00:03:02,239 --> 00:03:07,920 this particular run through is about 66 frames per second like I said I'm 42 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:12,959 running at 1680 by 1050 uh there you go 65.5 five is what 43 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:17,640 it scored on that one I am running with all details medium because really we're 44 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:21,959 looking at cards that are in the 149 sort of price range for the most part I 45 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:28,120 mean this one goes up to around $2.49 but uh you can't really expect at almost 46 00:03:24,920 --> 00:03:29,879 HD resolution to be you know turning up 47 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:34,200 the details to Max unless you're starting to invest in more expensive 48 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:38,840 cards like for example over here we've got a 460 lightning and we've got a GTX 49 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:43,519 480 I mean if you're an Enthusiast you want to run at HD Plus resolutions all 50 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:47,200 high details anti-aliasing Etc speaking of which I'm not using anti-aliasing 51 00:03:45,519 --> 00:03:52,920 those over there are going to be the cards for you but you can see the GTS 52 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:55,720 450 does post very respectable numbers 53 00:03:52,920 --> 00:04:01,720 and I mean crisis at medium still looks great so that is how that went okay the 54 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:06,599 ma 2 run is going to be a little bit different first of all I want you to 55 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:11,480 know that the in-game Benchmark does not actually present a a very accurate real 56 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:15,079 world scenario it runs quite a bit slower than you'd actually uh expect 57 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:20,320 from the game in the real world so here are all the settings I'm running and of 58 00:04:17,639 --> 00:04:24,120 note is the fact that again antialiasing is off it's a high-end game it's a 59 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:28,880 mid-range graphics card antialiasing does not provide in my opinion enough of 60 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:33,720 a gameplay benefit to sacrifice things like Shadows 61 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:36,080 and other details for it okay and I have 62 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:41,160 turned physics on because unlike the other titles we've been looking at Mafia 63 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:44,280 2 is all about the physx support if you have an NVIDIA card you better be 64 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:49,560 running it with physx on because that's how you're going to get the best gameplay experience all right we're just 65 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:53,479 finishing up the Benchmark run here you can see we've got an average of 33 66 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:58,199 frames per second so that's a little bit on the low side of what I would consider 67 00:04:55,440 --> 00:05:02,360 playable but yeah it gives us a point of comparison against the other cards that 68 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:06,520 we are going to be looking at today so here you go the performance is not 69 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:10,919 optimal rank d as I mentioned before the actual in-game Benchmark is a little bit 70 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:15,759 on the slower side compared to what you would experience uh playing the game all 71 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:20,160 right these are my Arkham Asylum options in the control panel this is another 72 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:24,400 NVIDIA uh physics ready game so I've gone ahead and left Hardware accelerated 73 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:27,800 physics on it's set to normal because we don't I mean they recommend really a 74 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:32,800 dedicated physics card for the high setting vsync is off everything else is 75 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:35,160 as you see here Batman Arkham Asylum ready to 76 00:05:36,199 --> 00:05:41,880 run doing one more run of Mafia 2 One 77 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:46,240 Small Change Is that the Apex physics are set to medium because I am not 78 00:05:43,919 --> 00:05:50,840 running with GPU physics anymore I just wanted to do an Apples to Apples 79 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,840 comparison against the 5770 just so that 80 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:56,720 we uh have one more point of reference here 81 00:05:54,919 --> 00:06:01,880 it really is plain to see that this game is not nearly as cool without the 82 00:05:59,199 --> 00:06:07,360 physics on high I just thought I'd uh do a quick clip here just to say my 83 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:12,080 thoughts on it with the with the physics on medium running on the CPU uh you know 84 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:16,199 the outdoor scene in particular you can't really notice it much in here but 85 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:22,000 uh not nearly as many part persistent particles not nearly as much damage and 86 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:25,080 things like the building um just way way 87 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:28,280 less interesting to to 88 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,919 watch so besides the lon Stellar uh 89 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:34,520 physics performance with it on medium running on the CPU the frame rate was 90 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,520 quite a bit 91 00:06:52,759 --> 00:07:00,919 lower so in conclusion I give it about a C+ uh that is my video review not the 92 00:06:58,919 --> 00:07:06,879 card itself I think I might just stick to the whole unboxings product showcases 93 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:09,879 uh gameplay videos simpler things like that because stringing together a 94 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:13,879 complete review seems to be too complicated for me for whatever reason 95 00:07:11,919 --> 00:07:17,479 but anyway let's talk a little bit about the conclusions about this card first of 96 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:20,199 all this is the Cyclone cooler card I'm going to have some separate videos 97 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:27,080 coming up in the next little while where I'm going to show some overclocking numbers I'm going to show uh some 98 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:30,160 acoustic numbers well not really numbers but some acoustic characteristics of it 99 00:07:28,759 --> 00:07:34,720 because really the test test bench I had was far too loud for you to appreciate 100 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:37,919 how quiet the card is so I have to put together a silent test bench so I can 101 00:07:36,319 --> 00:07:41,400 kind of do my whole here I'm going to hold the camera close to the card you 102 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:45,280 can see how quiet it is thing so that should be fine as far as the performance 103 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:50,360 versus the price goes uh power consumption is slightly improved over 104 00:07:47,159 --> 00:07:52,159 the 460 series card and the price to 105 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:59,720 Performance ratio still looks quite good now it's not quite a 5770 or 5750 killer 106 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:03,560 but I mean knowing NVIDIA we're going to see MIRS from their Partners we're going 107 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:07,680 to probably see some IRS come into effect and I think that it will become a 108 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:11,199 very very strong Contender especially when you consider that it has features 109 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:15,120 that you don't necessarily find on competing products I mean Mafia 2 is a 110 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:20,960 great example of a game that you really can enjoy on a GTS 450 I mean yeah not 111 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:26,360 to the same level as with a 460 but you can have a good experience with it at 112 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:27,879 sub HD resolutions and with physx you 113 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,919 really do get a better gameplay experience so I mean that's something to 114 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:34,839 really bear in mind about a card like this thank you for checking out my I 115 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:40,000 guess first attempt at a real video review and don't forget to subscribe to 116 00:08:36,959 --> 00:08:41,959 lonus Tech tips that was pretty much it 117 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:45,560 oh no one more thing yes if you want to get the best performance possible don't 118 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:50,480 forget use the latest version of After Burner from MSI uh 2.0 that will give 119 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:55,080 you all of the voltage adjustments that you can do on this card and also use the 120 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:58,600 latest drivers from NVIDIA their new 260 series drivers that'll give you better 121 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:02,720 performance on this as well as many other fmy base cards