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Everybody knows that more is better. More RAM means more programs can run at

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the same time. More GPU power means more

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FPS in your games. And more mother-in-laws means more time spent

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with family. There are downsides. Well, mine is great. But in a world where

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malware is seemingly more dangerous than ever, it would only be logical to assume

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that more antivirus software is going to keep her more safer, right? I mean, why

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not? It used to be that running even one antivirus package would significantly

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impact your PC's performance. But these days, computers are so much faster that

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Windows includes its own AV software that most people probably don't even

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notice is running. So, could we run two,

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three, or 10 antivirus tools to create

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the safest PC on the internet? That's

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what we're here to find out with some help from our sponsor, Threat Locker.

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safe, but we'll talk more about that later. For now, spoiler alert, more is

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not always better. Let's see how that

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goes. Let's kick this off with a good old-fashioned boot time test. In front

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of me are two virtually identical systems with Core i5 processors, 16 gigs

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of DDR5 memory, an RTX 3050GPU, and a

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terabyte of fast NVMe storage. Both have

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a fresh install of Windows 11, and all the latest drivers. But there's one key

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difference. This one relies solely on Microsoft's antivirus. Not that one,

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Microsoft Defender. As for the other, well, we just plum had a hard time

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choosing between all the options, especially with all of the inbreeding

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between AV companies these days. Did you know that Avast, Avera, AVG, and Norton

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are all the same company? Gen digital,

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look it up. And they don't just share ownership. Norton and AVG actually use

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Avast's AV engine these days. And a ver's engine gets used even by third

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parties like VMware and F-Secure. Uh,

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this one's booted by the way. Couldn't help noting that. This one not so

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much. Is it still going? Anyway, the

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TLDDR is we got confused. So, we crammed our second system full of as much

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antivirus software as she would take and still connect to the internet. What's

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the final count? I think 14. 14. My goodness.

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And it's booted. Hold on. I have another fun one for you, though. Let's see how

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long they take to shut

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down. Wow, that one's done

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already. Let's read some more lines. Ah,

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yes. React to boot time. Oh, I can tell you all the antiviruses we have. Total

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AV, Panda, Malware Bites, Quick Heal,

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Heimdoll, Komodo, Clam, AV, and of

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course, good old-fashioned Windows Defender. It is worth noting that a

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couple of them do have reduced runtime protection when others are

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detected. And I guess I'll talk about our sponsor real quick here because

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important report for a quick round of Battro during business hours. Okay,

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finally, let's boot them back up and see how these systems feel. Let's start with

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our control computer. Yep, that's file explorer. Yep, that's the system tray.

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If I wanted to launch Steam, it seems like that'll happen in a perfectly

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reasonable amount of time. Now, let's move over here where Oh my goodness, I

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already have a popup to dismiss. Okay, file

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explorer. This is a modern Core i5. That

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was pretty quick for that one, actually. I mean, the system tray was still responsive. How long does it take to

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launch Steam, though? Ah. Oh.

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Oh. Oh my god. This poor system. Look at

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them all. Malware bite 6%. Komodo 4 Vera

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4%. Is Steam still launching?

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Wow. Okay. I knew it was going to be bad. I didn't think it was going to be

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like using my Windows 98 machine. I thought it would be uh this is awful,

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but it's oh this is awful. And the funny

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part is when we're not doing anything, the usage of all these doesn't seem that

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bad. It's just that that's the whole thing, right? When they're idling in the

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background, they're fine. But it's as soon as you start to do anything that

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they're actively continuously monitoring what's going on and making sure that

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it's okay and the system resource usage

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goes oh my god did you see how long that

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took to maximize boy that's crazy. Can Can I see

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yours? Yours should be fine. Yeah. Mine works like a computer. This shouldn't

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slow the GPU, isn't the Do you see that? That's terrible.

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What the That is not the screen capture, guys. No, that's live happening

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in person. That's wild. It's It's not even using

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that much. No, it's at like 10%. Okay. What's yours? What's yours? One to 2%.

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And this is way worse than you think because you might say, "Oh, what? It's

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using 10 times as much resources. That's to be expected." But I think it's more

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than that because yours is using 1% of like 1 and a half GHz. Mine is

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using anywhere from 5 to 10%. But my CPU

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is clocked way higher. Yeah. And I don't know if that's, you know, linear or

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anything, but it's clear that my resource usage is more than it appears.

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You're almost double the RAM, too. Oh, dude. How's my sto My storage seems

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okay. Yeah, but I bet my storage becomes

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a complete disaster as soon as I try to launch a program. So, let's both launch

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Edge and look at the average response time. 3 2 1 click. Oh, okay. That didn't

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work. Okay, let's launch File Explorer. Let's launch File Explorer. Okay, ready?

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3 2 1 click. So, you went up to

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7. Yeah. Okay. No, that was

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fine. Copilot. Let's launch Copilot. 3 2

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Yeah, my storage is not hit that hard. I mean, it takes forever to do anything,

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but it seems to be more down to the CPU that's struggling. Is this ever going to

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launch? Did I click it? Yeah. Oh, dude. Yeah. Look, I got the spinny wheel. Oh, yeah. There you go. Wow. You want to see

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worse? Plug in the USB key. Really?

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Where did they go? Oh, that makes sense. They're going to lose their

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minds. Okay. And so the race is how long

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it takes for the folder to open. Well, just just see what happens when you plug

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it in. Top USB 3 port here. Sure. Okay. Three, two, one.

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Okay. Mine opens up. Oh, yeah. I got it.

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I got it. Okay.

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What? Look at my CPU usage. They all

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want to scan it for threats. You better let it do it. Oh, it's got Oh. Oh. Oh,

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good. gravy. Just say yes to a few of them. Oh, no. No. Oh, wait. Some of them

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don't even ask me. Yep. They just start. Oh, no. So, my poor USB drive is at 95%

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utilization right now. Even my NVMe SSD

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is registering. You were 30% CPU there a second ago at 3

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GHz. Okay. You want me to click yes? Click yes to a couple of them. That'll

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give you some time to talk. Back before Al Gore invented the internet, the

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primary way to exchange data was sneakeret. And the fight against malware

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depended on knowing what that malware looked like on your disc or in your

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system memory. Early PC antivirus suites then relied on databases of signatures

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for known malware. So if your AV tool didn't know about a virus, it probably

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wouldn't protect you from it. And it was a lot more work to get new signatures

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than just clicking update and downloading them from the internet. Of

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course, the damage a virus could do back then was also quite a lot more limited.

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We weren't exactly banking online back in 1987. It wasn't until the '90s then

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that antivirus turned into a serious industry. With the arrival of the

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internet, PCs were interacting with each other like never before. And the problem

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is that most desktop software really wasn't ready for the dangers of this new

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level of connectivity. Looking at you, Outlook Express. Antivirus creators then

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embraced having an easy way to get updates of these signatures or

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definitions to their users. But then at the same time, virus writers found new

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vectors of attack. email, Microsoft Office macros, Java, VBScript, and they

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exploited them with new types of malware, often more quickly than

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researchers could hope to respond to. Is

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this still running? All right, more history, then. We started the '90s with

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maybe a few hundred known viruses in the wild, and by 1999, the AV test database

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had nearly 100,000 entries. AV makers like FPROT

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tried to get out ahead of this rapid fire virus development with the first

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use of heristic detection as we might recognize it today. That is analyzing a

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program's behavior to recognize potential threats even if that malware

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has never been seen before. But signatures were still a big piece of the

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detection puzzle. And I mean big. By

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2005, AV Tests database had more than tripled to almost 340,000 entries. And

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the worst part is that was nothing. In 2007 alone, another 5 million unique

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malware samples were added to the database. It went parabolic and it's

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only gotten worse. So, yeah, it was easy

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to rag on Norton and friends, and they did make it real easy. But between

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massive databases of potential threats and the need to protect from more and

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more vectors of attack, it's no wonder that antivirus packages kept using more

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and more system resources causing system

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slowdowns. And that was with just one of

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them running. Let's try gaming on our system with 14 AVs. We haven't even

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finished scanning this USB drive yet. Yeah, sure. Let's game. We did so many

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takes while this was sitting here scanning.

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I have 270 FPS. You're sure these systems are safe? I have 294. Oh, wait.

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Gaming might be totally okay cuz it's not burdening our

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GPU and our storage was actually doing

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fine. Yeah, my RAM usage is way higher.

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4 gigs higher and my CPU usage is

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substantially higher. But this is interesting. I'm at a higher speed

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though. Yours is turboing higher, probably because it's less burdened. But

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the FPS is nearly identical. We just seem to be GPU bound. Yeah, that's

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interesting. I think it might be because we're running RTX 3050s. These are

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pretty low GPUs. Look at the process count

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and the threads. You have double the threads.

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That is wild. So, I think the only reason this isn't

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impeding my gaming performance is that our GPU is just not powerful enough. I

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mean, we're getting 230 frames a second. Yeah, but we're just we're not revealing

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we're we're GPU bottlenecked. Yeah, clearly I have plenty of CPU left

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over to run all this crap in the background. I think we might need a

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couple higherend GPUs. I'll be right back. He brought us 5080s. We can't plug

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these into our PSUs.

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You didn't bring the 12 pin. Really? They don't include it anymore? Well, I

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endpoint is connected to the internet. Do you see this? What the

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mine? No. No. This has got to be a driver issue. It's got to be a driver issue. Maybe my drivers didn't auto

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install or my drivers probably took so long to autoupdate to the new card that

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they that they haven't updated yet. Startup scan and pro. Oh my god. Oh,

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your internet was off when you you booted up, too, cuz the cable fell out. Okay. Yeah, that's probably the issue.

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Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. It was a driver issue getting new ones installed. It's

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freaking warm. Great hoodie. Terminally

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online. But I'm too warm to wear it right now. Here we go. Holy,

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dude. We're still in the loading screen and I'm pretty sure my CPU usage is

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higher than last time. It's not good. I'll tell you that much. Cuz I'm at

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1,000 FPS in this loading screen now. Y I think this is going to impact it more.

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My clock speed is lower than it was compared to yours. I think

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it's still going to be pretty respectable. I think so to be clear.

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Wow. Let's let it settle in a little bit because you never know. Here, let's walk

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up the stairs. All right. So there is no

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doubt that if you have enough overhead, you can

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absolutely impact the ability to run games at maximum performance. You're

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about 20 frames lower than me, but realistically, we're looking at an RTX

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5080, right? Yeah. And I'm only running

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about 20 FPS lower than you. It's really not bad in a pretty CPUbound game. With

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all of that said, it's very clear that these AV programs are heavy enough to

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run that they can impact system performance, which isn't to say that

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they're unnecessarily bloated. They're just doing a lot. Let's go back to our

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history lesson. First introduced by McAfee in 2008, cloud-based antivirus

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uses kind of the best of both worlds. Heristic detection to identify the

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behavior of suspicious files and

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constant checking against a continually updated online database of threats,

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taking advantage of the spread of always on internet connections. It was a really

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good idea, but Microsoft was about to upset the game board. After years of

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ruthless attacks from Apple targeting Windows's security, Microsoft acquired

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giant anti-spyware in late 2004 and quietly started work on what would

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become Microsoft Defender Antivirus.

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Starting with Windows 8, Defender was enabled on Windows PCs by default,

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switching itself off if a third party AV tool was installed. And over the years,

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Defender has evolved to the point where those third party AV tools are less

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likely to feel needed. As of 2024, more

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than half of American users use built-in antivirus protection like Microsoft

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Defender or Apple's XProtect. And of those that use a third party solution,

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only about half use a paid product. As a

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result, recent years have seen significant consolidation in the

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antivirus market. Intel bought McAfee back in 2010 only for it to end up in

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the hands of Advent International, a private equity firm that is rumored to

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be eyeing Trend Micro as well. And we mentioned Gen Digital earlier, formerly

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Norton, who now owns four major AV brands. Other major brands have shifted

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their sites to corporate clients with NextG Endpoint Protection and Management

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Solutions, leaving the home market to lesserk known antivirus solutions, some

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of which we installed here today. Before we go, then let's see how they handle

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this little selection of malware that we've prepared for them. Oh, we're going

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to intentionally infect them. We're going to remove the Ethernet. Oh, you did. Oh, no. You didn't. Are we?

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I mean, they should be safe, right? They should be fine. Oh, this makes me deeply

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uncomfortable. Jordan, they're mostly just test files. Okay. Mostly. Okay.

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What do you want me to Oh, threat blocked. Hey, the system

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works. Maybe. Oh, potential threat block. Oh, infected file move to

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quarantine full. I mean, maybe you are safer. Maybe I am

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safer. Nothing happened here yet. I feel safer. Okay. What am I supposed to try

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to do? Ah, whatever you want here. Open up the danger zone. Open the danger

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zone. Okay. Jokes. Yeah. Run something

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in there. It'll be fine. Oh my god. Avoid.exe. Threat blocked. Good. Oh,

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it's gone. Good. It's gone. Boom. Just like that. How about Vista?

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Cannot access. It's still freaking out in the bottom corner here. It's malware

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stopped. Windows chilled Windows. I'm

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It's working.

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Chilled Windows cannot access. Oh, dude. I think I think it's just removing. Oh,

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there we go. I finally got a popup. Threats found. Yep.

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Okay, so it's stopping me from doing it, too. Also working.

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Mine's a lot more calm about it. They're working. Yeah.

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And that was even after I told them, hey, look, don't bother scanning this

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thing. Yeah, that's pretty cool. The point today was not to answer, you know,

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which of these antivirus suites is the best? That was not what we set out to

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do. What we set out to answer was, is more better? The answer is no. Pick one

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good tool for real-time monitoring. And then if you must run additional tools,

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just run them as single time scans. And

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don't discount Microsoft Defender. I mean, it did work against all these

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threats. Found the problems here, even if it might not find every threat. And

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if you want enterprise or business protection, you're going to want to check out something entirely different,

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like from Threat Locker, who sponsored this little experiment. We're going to have a link to them in the video

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description. If you guys enjoyed this video, uh maybe you like the vibe of how

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many USB devices can you plug into one computer. That was a lot of well, it was

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pain, but also fun.