WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.000 So cryptocurrency mining experience 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:05.030 Let's call it a downturn 00:00:05.670 --> 00:00:10.120 No, let's be honest a huge crash in 2018 00:00:10.120 --> 00:00:17.740 So there is no shortage of great deals to be had on graphics cards that were used for cryptocurrency mining on sites 00:00:17.740 --> 00:00:18.940 like eBay 00:00:18.940 --> 00:00:27.160 But one class of cards that there appears to be no use for other than to melt them down and salvage the gold and other 00:00:27.980 --> 00:00:29.980 valuable elements is 00:00:29.980 --> 00:00:31.180 crypto 00:00:31.180 --> 00:00:37.020 Specific cards like this one from Gigabyte. This is a P 106 00:00:37.020 --> 00:00:40.340 It's actually very similar to a GTX 1060 00:00:41.220 --> 00:00:45.120 6-pin power dual fan cooler except for all one small problem 00:00:45.120 --> 00:00:52.860 It doesn't have any display outputs and not only that but the drivers have been locked down by NVIDIA 00:00:52.900 --> 00:00:57.740 So it can't be used for gaming because these were designed only for cryptocurrency mining 00:00:58.180 --> 00:01:00.860 But could this card? 00:01:00.860 --> 00:01:02.880 be used for gaming 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:04.370 well 00:01:04.370 --> 00:01:11.950 Chinese site Taobao has a seller who says they can and is selling them with a modified 00:01:12.250 --> 00:01:14.550 Firmware that they claim will work 00:01:16.010 --> 00:01:23.290 67 US dollars that is under a third the price of a GTX 1066 gig. Will it work? 00:01:24.990 --> 00:01:32.760 We'll be damned if I know but I'm sure gonna find out after this message from our sponsor Thermaltake 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:39.280 Thermaltake's a500 has a modern minimalistic design and brushed aluminum panels with dual hinge swing tempered glass doors 00:01:39.340 --> 00:01:41.640 Check it out today at the link in the video description 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:53.780 So we're not gonna go through the whole process yet because we won't know anything that oh, by the way 00:01:53.780 --> 00:01:55.780 Anthony is gonna be joining me for this video. Hi 00:01:55.980 --> 00:02:01.480 He arranged the whole thing which was apparently like a big hassle getting this thing 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:04.320 Yeah, apparently the seller wouldn't actually ship to Canada 00:02:04.320 --> 00:02:07.880 I don't know what the reason was not not sure if it's legal or whatever 00:02:07.880 --> 00:02:13.540 But anyway, the long story short Dennis had to contact them directly and in order to get it shipped 00:02:13.540 --> 00:02:19.300 They had to put it down as a computer mouse, but it's here and it seems to be exactly what we were expecting 00:02:19.300 --> 00:02:20.980 It's as advertised 00:02:20.980 --> 00:02:25.060 including all the dust and grime that's built up on it from presumably 00:02:25.620 --> 00:02:29.260 months of cryptocurrency mining in a dirty warehouse somewhere 00:02:29.740 --> 00:02:36.220 Anyway back to what I was saying before we're not ready to rock on that just yet because we won't know how it compares to 00:02:36.220 --> 00:02:37.860 a regular GTX 1066 00:02:37.880 --> 00:02:44.260 Unless we go ahead and run one. So this is a run-of-the-mill EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 00:02:45.260 --> 00:02:47.060 Superclock, okay, it's not quite run-of-the-mill 00:02:47.060 --> 00:02:53.800 So we're gonna run just a quick shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmark so that we have a before to compare to our after now 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:59.100 We don't need to run a whole suite of benchmarks because we're not comparing cards across different 00:02:59.640 --> 00:03:06.660 Architectures different brands or even different GPUs. These are both running the same graphics core on them 00:03:06.660 --> 00:03:07.360 so 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:09.280 all we need to know is 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:15.540 Did they cripple it in some meaningful way or is it all just a software lock and we need to get our drivers installed for? 00:03:15.540 --> 00:03:18.600 This puppy speaking of which both the cards should be six gigs 00:03:18.880 --> 00:03:21.720 So we should be looking at the the full CUDA core account 00:03:21.740 --> 00:03:29.100 So I've installed driver version for 16 dot 16, which is from October and I'll explain why I did that a little bit later on 00:03:29.420 --> 00:03:32.180 But we're gonna go ahead and fire up shadow the Tomb Raider 00:03:32.180 --> 00:03:36.840 We're running at 1920 by 1080 and at all high except I turned off motion blur 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:39.000 Because it's stupid. So here we have it 00:03:39.540 --> 00:03:43.740 Average FPS 68. Okay, you can oh you can see the specs of our test bench here 00:03:43.740 --> 00:03:54.830 So this is kind of a best-case scenario for the 1060. We've got a 9900 K in here and our minimums were oh, oh, yeah 00:03:54.830 --> 00:03:56.830 56 okay, that makes more sense 00:03:58.050 --> 00:04:00.710 So minimums of 56 that's very playable 00:04:01.830 --> 00:04:03.570 here comes 00:04:03.570 --> 00:04:05.750 the Chinese mining card 00:04:06.470 --> 00:04:11.460 Yeah, isn't that a great question? 00:04:11.460 --> 00:04:13.660 You guys probably couldn't hear that because Brandon? 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:16.060 Was like kind of mumbling come on over here Brandon 00:04:16.060 --> 00:04:22.430 Come on, how are you going to plug it in if it doesn't have IO? 00:04:22.650 --> 00:04:27.770 so we're not saying that this technique is gonna work for everyone because if 00:04:29.260 --> 00:04:31.040 your motherboard 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:33.040 does not have 00:04:33.540 --> 00:04:38.840 Graphics outputs and your CPU doesn't have an IGP you built into it 00:04:38.840 --> 00:04:45.680 You will not be able to do this, but remember how we got free sync running off of an NVIDIA card 00:04:45.860 --> 00:04:46.720 before 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:52.540 By passing the GPU power through the other card that interfaced with the display 00:04:52.900 --> 00:04:59.950 Well with the modified driver the theory is we'll be able to do the same thing here not with free sync mind you but with the 00:05:00.210 --> 00:05:06.790 performance of our graphics card being passed through the output of our onboard graphics 00:05:07.370 --> 00:05:14.400 This is a technology that didn't really have any reason to exist on desktops on their own 00:05:14.520 --> 00:05:17.820 but it's kind of a carryover from laptops that have 00:05:18.200 --> 00:05:24.600 Onboard graphics that they run when they're trying to save power and then high-performance graphics that they switch to in games 00:05:24.880 --> 00:05:29.180 So but because the feature exists well we can take advantage of it here 00:05:29.180 --> 00:05:36.100 So we're gonna go ahead and install our 416.16 drivers at least we're going to try 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:43.140 Is this supposed to work? I didn't install that driver. There's a different driver that we need to install 00:05:43.700 --> 00:05:48.240 But if this works, then did it work if this works, then 00:05:49.440 --> 00:05:57.580 I'm a little confused. I mean this driver is theoretically already installed on the system. No, okay, so we do have a problem 00:05:58.020 --> 00:06:04.660 Showing up as p106 100 in device manager instead of GTX 1060. Well, let's go ahead and let's let's try 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:12.140 But this is not supposed to work. So I may have jumped the gun here. Yeah, like yeah, it's showing up as a p106 but 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:19.970 The driver fully installed okay NVIDIA control panel is there but it's in display settings that I would switch to it, correct? 00:06:20.070 --> 00:06:20.810 Right under 00:06:20.810 --> 00:06:26.360 GPU, or graphics, graphics settings down at the bottom there. Graphics settings, there we go. 00:06:26.980 --> 00:06:38.620 Okay, so let's browse for an app. Options, here we go. High performance, save. Okay. Oh, 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:52.470 so it doesn't pick up a P106 as a high performance GPU option. Well, what happens if we pop open the 00:06:52.470 --> 00:06:59.120 NVIDIA control panel here? You are not currently using a display attached to an NVIDIA GPU. 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:06.300 All right, Anthony, come on in here. What do we need to do? Okay. And talk to the camera. So, 00:07:06.660 --> 00:07:12.660 okay. I'll move here. Okay. Let's just, yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. What do I need to do? 00:07:12.900 --> 00:07:16.400 There's this little folder on the desktop that you missed, which is fine because it's like in 00:07:16.400 --> 00:07:22.080 this honeycomb pattern, which is great. It's called mining. Okay. And in there is the actual 00:07:22.080 --> 00:07:22.780 driver we need. 00:07:23.400 --> 00:07:29.710 It is modified. But if you try to install that right now. Yeah. Chances are it will error out. 00:07:30.250 --> 00:07:36.780 Okay. So we need to disable secure boot. Okay. So that we have to restart for. Okay. Now, 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:43.800 the benefit of secure boot is theoretically that it prevents malware from attacking your 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:48.420 pre-boot environment. Is that about right? Yeah, but there's been an exploit on that. So, 00:07:48.420 --> 00:07:53.920 so this is the boot options menu in the advanced on the BIOS. It's going to change depending on 00:07:53.940 --> 00:07:57.780 what motherboard or computer you have. Yeah. But long story short, we're going to go into key 00:07:57.780 --> 00:08:03.630 management. Yeah. Then we're going to go to clear secure boot keys and it'll be like, do you really 00:08:03.630 --> 00:08:11.190 want to delete them? Yeah, we do. So now if we go out, it's disabled. I remember the first time I 00:08:11.190 --> 00:08:15.810 encountered this, I was just absolutely furious because it doesn't even register as a change to 00:08:15.810 --> 00:08:20.210 the BIOS. No, it's nothing. Like I was, I was so mad. I was like, what do you mean? That's how 00:08:20.210 --> 00:08:25.150 you disable it. I don't want to delete them forever necessarily. Like it's not really a very clear 00:08:25.150 --> 00:08:25.690 terminology. 00:08:25.770 --> 00:08:31.610 Anyway. Yeah, no. And you can put them back. It's, it's, it's ridiculous. Anyway, long story 00:08:31.610 --> 00:08:36.390 short, you can turn it off. It's perfectly fine. You can put it back if you want, but we need to 00:08:36.390 --> 00:08:40.250 turn it off for now. Okay. Now we're back in the PowerShell. We're going to try that command again. 00:08:40.590 --> 00:08:47.610 So it's PC edit slash. Oh, hello. Slash Windows still hasn't figured out how to not take the focus 00:08:47.610 --> 00:08:52.790 away from a window that I'm actively working on. How is that even possible? It's very rude. 00:08:53.190 --> 00:08:56.510 Anyway, slash set test signing. 00:08:56.630 --> 00:09:04.460 On. Completed successfully. Yay. Now we need to reboot. What this allows you to do is install 00:09:04.460 --> 00:09:09.640 drivers that have not been signed. So that means that they may have been modified. It might be 00:09:09.640 --> 00:09:13.900 corrupted. It might cause instability in your system. So it's not generally a good idea, 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:19.240 but it is required in this case. One thing I am doing here is I'm going to disable Windows update 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:25.680 and there's no particular reason other than it annoys me when it tries to reinstall the driver. 00:09:26.100 --> 00:09:28.060 So I'm just going to go ahead and do that. 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:32.410 You should probably turn it back on afterwards if you're doing this. Now we're going to go to 00:09:32.410 --> 00:09:39.980 device manager. We're going to delete this driver that we installed earlier. Yep. Do we have to DDU 00:09:39.980 --> 00:09:46.540 it or is that good enough? I think this is good enough. We can DDU it. It's probably best practice 00:09:46.540 --> 00:09:53.600 to DDU it, but YOLO. Anyway. For those not familiar, DDU is a third-party driver removal 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:58.740 utility that's actually freaking awesome. Go check it out if you ever have a stubborn driver issue. 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:03.140 And feel free to throw some support those guys way. They've been at it for a very long time. It's a 00:10:03.140 --> 00:10:10.160 really useful tool. I've used it many, many times. Here it is. So this is what happens. Normally you 00:10:10.160 --> 00:10:13.960 would get an error saying that the driver is corrupted or modified or something like that. 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:19.240 But now... Go ahead. You can still explain it. Okay. But now what it came up with is 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:24.680 this software is unsigned. So it just came up with a warning because you've got test signing 00:10:24.680 --> 00:10:28.320 mode on. It means that you're basically, for Windows, for all Windows knows, a driver developer. 00:10:29.800 --> 00:10:34.000 You're installing that driver anyway. Again, if you see that under normal circumstances, 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:39.160 you should probably not do that. But it is required here. Do we have any way of knowing 00:10:39.160 --> 00:10:45.820 that this driver is not installing malware on this system? No. Okay. Yeah, I haven't actually looked 00:10:45.820 --> 00:10:52.000 at it. So to be clear, what we're doing here, we are actually not recommending that you try it at 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:58.340 home. Graphics driver is installed. So we'll just close that. Now what we want to do is look at this. 00:10:59.960 --> 00:11:06.510 So we're going to go into driver. It'll say not digitally signed here. Okay. So that's what we 00:11:06.510 --> 00:11:11.470 expect. That's what we expect. This is the not signed driver. It's running. So now we go into 00:11:11.470 --> 00:11:18.640 our display settings. Shadow the Tomb Raider. Shadow the Tomb Raider. Oh, we might need to 00:11:18.640 --> 00:11:25.850 reboot. Yeah. I came up with the methodology here about two hours ago. And WAN Show started three 00:11:25.850 --> 00:11:31.780 minutes ago. Oh, that's cool. We're like 1000% seat of our pants right now. So we DDU'd it. 00:11:31.780 --> 00:11:37.240 We DDU'd it this time, which it turns out was probably a necessary step and we're ready to go 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:45.400 again. So we're going into here and there it is. High performance GPU, NVIDIA P106 100. So let's 00:11:45.400 --> 00:11:55.050 make that the default and Shadow the Tomb Raider. Here we go. Remember guys, it's like under 70 US 00:11:55.050 --> 00:12:02.700 dollars. Okay. That's the important part of this. I'm so excited right now. It's worth remembering 00:12:02.700 --> 00:12:03.120 that this card. 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:03.160 Okay. That's the important part of this. I'm so excited right now. It's worth remembering that this card. 00:12:03.160 --> 00:12:10.550 Was basically destined for the recycling bin. Exactly. Like it could not game. There was no 00:12:10.550 --> 00:12:15.530 possible way. Well, could it be used for compute other than game or other than mining? Yeah, but 00:12:15.530 --> 00:12:20.810 it's a 1060 class GPU. So like it's not even worth the PCI express slot. You put it in for that kind 00:12:20.810 --> 00:12:25.720 of a workload. Yeah. But here it is maybe a new lease on life. And just so you guys know, there's 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:34.340 no, uh, there's no smoke and mirrors. Here's our HDMI cable. There it is going into the bottom of 00:12:34.340 --> 00:12:39.080 the monitor and directly into the back of the motherboard. There is nothing on this card. That 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:43.760 is looking pretty good. Actually, that might actually have been higher than the, uh, super 00:12:43.760 --> 00:12:52.700 clone. Oh, that is looking real nice gaming on a graphics card with no outputs. Feels good, man. 00:12:53.780 --> 00:12:58.640 Well, we missed the moment when it came up, but, uh, that's fine. We've got our result. 00:12:58.640 --> 00:13:06.040 And actually this is as good as I would have expected. So we fell four 00:13:06.040 --> 00:13:12.640 FPS short in our averages. And then for our minimums, we only fell three FPS short. Now 00:13:12.640 --> 00:13:18.700 you will see a slight difference in performance when you're running the compute or the, the, 00:13:18.700 --> 00:13:23.680 the rendering of the game on one GPU and then outputting it via another one. And this is pretty 00:13:23.680 --> 00:13:28.180 much consistent with what I would expect from either that or the difference in clock speed 00:13:28.180 --> 00:13:37.060 between a super clocked and just a regular 10 60 cart. So it worked. Yeah. Pretty sweet. 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:43.720 But we are not saying at all that we would recommend this. So Anthony, 00:13:44.860 --> 00:13:49.960 um, there weren't really instructions from the seller on Taobao. Uh, where did you end 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:55.960 up getting the driver you used shockingly enough from our forum. There are actually a lot of 00:13:55.960 --> 00:14:02.800 different forum posts about this long story short. There was one person who included a doc and a link 00:14:02.800 --> 00:14:06.700 to a Google drive folder with all the stuff we needed, which was great. Thank you very much. 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:13.250 Um, with all that said, that is not a recommendation for any of you to go download 00:14:13.250 --> 00:14:20.030 that because there's no way of knowing when you're installing an unsigned driver. If anything has been 00:14:20.030 --> 00:14:24.770 changed other than the things that they said they changed, unless you're qualified to go 00:14:24.770 --> 00:14:28.910 through and examine exactly what it is they changed, in which case you could just go and 00:14:28.910 --> 00:14:36.990 do it yourself. So right now there's really no path to avoiding the scrap. 00:14:36.990 --> 00:14:40.670 for these P106, and if I recall correctly, 00:14:40.670 --> 00:14:43.410 there were GTX 1070 equivalents as well. 00:14:43.410 --> 00:14:44.250 Yeah, I think so. 00:14:44.250 --> 00:14:45.540 Cards. 00:14:45.540 --> 00:14:48.640 So really the onus is on NVIDIA to do something about it, 00:14:48.640 --> 00:14:51.280 because while I'm not expecting them to run out 00:14:51.280 --> 00:14:53.740 and make this a supported use case, 00:14:53.740 --> 00:14:56.460 for any motherboard with onboard video, 00:14:56.460 --> 00:14:58.440 there's no reason that this couldn't work 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:01.400 if they weren't specifically locking it out. 00:15:01.400 --> 00:15:03.820 So I'm not asking them to support it, 00:15:03.820 --> 00:15:07.140 I'm just asking them to not specifically disable it, 00:15:07.140 --> 00:15:10.260 because this is a serious e-waste problem. 00:15:10.260 --> 00:15:13.500 Literally thousands, tens of thousands of these cards, 00:15:13.500 --> 00:15:16.600 just useful for absolutely nothing anymore, 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:19.580 when gamers could be gaming on them. 00:15:19.580 --> 00:15:22.060 Now the next stage is getting ourselves 00:15:22.060 --> 00:15:26.600 one of those fancy solder alignment things that Rossman has, 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.500 and putting like an HDMI port on it. 00:15:29.500 --> 00:15:31.460 I wonder if it would work. 00:15:31.460 --> 00:15:34.080 I can't think of any reason it wouldn't. 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:37.780 Like, does it have the actual chips for it? 00:15:37.780 --> 00:15:38.280 I'm sure there's, 00:15:38.280 --> 00:15:42.600 I don't think these guys modified their boards very much. 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:45.100 So all that's left now is to thank PIA 00:15:45.100 --> 00:15:46.340 for sponsoring this video. 00:15:46.340 --> 00:15:50.360 Private internet access lets you use the internet privately. 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:51.200 Woo! 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:52.960 It allows you to get around government censorship, 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:54.800 access geo-locked content, 00:15:54.800 --> 00:15:57.100 and even do things you might not think of, 00:15:57.100 --> 00:15:58.620 like save money on flights. 00:15:58.620 --> 00:16:01.100 So you can set your VPN to make it seem 00:16:01.100 --> 00:16:03.820 like you're shopping for tickets from somewhere else. 00:16:03.820 --> 00:16:05.360 They've got tons of great features. 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:06.620 They don't log user data. 00:16:06.620 --> 00:16:07.780 They've got servers in, 00:16:07.780 --> 00:16:09.240 I forget how many countries it is, 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:11.020 but it's like hundreds or thousands of servers 00:16:11.020 --> 00:16:11.760 or something like that. 00:16:11.760 --> 00:16:13.340 Whatever, I'm sure all these talking points 00:16:13.340 --> 00:16:14.900 are being shown to you guys. 00:16:14.900 --> 00:16:16.880 It's freaking awesome, and it's affordable. 00:16:16.880 --> 00:16:20.260 So check out PIA today at the link in the video description. 00:16:20.260 --> 00:16:21.160 So thanks for watching, guys. 00:16:21.160 --> 00:16:22.960 If you disliked this video, you know where that button is. 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:24.520 But if you liked it, hit like, get subscribed, 00:16:24.520 --> 00:16:26.060 or maybe consider checking out where to buy the stuff 00:16:26.060 --> 00:16:29.470 we featured at the link in the video description. 00:16:29.470 --> 00:16:30.650 Also down there is our merch store, 00:16:30.650 --> 00:16:33.390 which has cool shirts like that one, 00:16:33.390 --> 00:16:35.990 and our community forum, which you should totally join.