1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 So cryptocurrency mining experience 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,030 Let's call it a downturn 3 00:00:05,670 --> 00:00:10,120 No, let's be honest a huge crash in 2018 4 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:17,740 So there is no shortage of great deals to be had on graphics cards that were used for cryptocurrency mining on sites 5 00:00:17,740 --> 00:00:18,940 like eBay 6 00:00:18,940 --> 00:00:27,160 But one class of cards that there appears to be no use for other than to melt them down and salvage the gold and other 7 00:00:27,980 --> 00:00:29,980 valuable elements is 8 00:00:29,980 --> 00:00:31,180 crypto 9 00:00:31,180 --> 00:00:37,020 Specific cards like this one from Gigabyte. This is a P 106 10 00:00:37,020 --> 00:00:40,340 It's actually very similar to a GTX 1060 11 00:00:41,220 --> 00:00:45,120 6-pin power dual fan cooler except for all one small problem 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:52,860 It doesn't have any display outputs and not only that but the drivers have been locked down by NVIDIA 13 00:00:52,900 --> 00:00:57,740 So it can't be used for gaming because these were designed only for cryptocurrency mining 14 00:00:58,180 --> 00:01:00,860 But could this card? 15 00:01:00,860 --> 00:01:02,880 be used for gaming 16 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,370 well 17 00:01:04,370 --> 00:01:11,950 Chinese site Taobao has a seller who says they can and is selling them with a modified 18 00:01:12,250 --> 00:01:14,550 Firmware that they claim will work 19 00:01:16,010 --> 00:01:23,290 67 US dollars that is under a third the price of a GTX 1066 gig. Will it work? 20 00:01:24,990 --> 00:01:32,760 We'll be damned if I know but I'm sure gonna find out after this message from our sponsor Thermaltake 21 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:39,280 Thermaltake's a500 has a modern minimalistic design and brushed aluminum panels with dual hinge swing tempered glass doors 22 00:01:39,340 --> 00:01:41,640 Check it out today at the link in the video description 23 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:53,780 So we're not gonna go through the whole process yet because we won't know anything that oh, by the way 24 00:01:53,780 --> 00:01:55,780 Anthony is gonna be joining me for this video. Hi 25 00:01:55,980 --> 00:02:01,480 He arranged the whole thing which was apparently like a big hassle getting this thing 26 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,320 Yeah, apparently the seller wouldn't actually ship to Canada 27 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,880 I don't know what the reason was not not sure if it's legal or whatever 28 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:13,540 But anyway, the long story short Dennis had to contact them directly and in order to get it shipped 29 00:02:13,540 --> 00:02:19,300 They had to put it down as a computer mouse, but it's here and it seems to be exactly what we were expecting 30 00:02:19,300 --> 00:02:20,980 It's as advertised 31 00:02:20,980 --> 00:02:25,060 including all the dust and grime that's built up on it from presumably 32 00:02:25,620 --> 00:02:29,260 months of cryptocurrency mining in a dirty warehouse somewhere 33 00:02:29,740 --> 00:02:36,220 Anyway back to what I was saying before we're not ready to rock on that just yet because we won't know how it compares to 34 00:02:36,220 --> 00:02:37,860 a regular GTX 1066 35 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:44,260 Unless we go ahead and run one. So this is a run-of-the-mill EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 36 00:02:45,260 --> 00:02:47,060 Superclock, okay, it's not quite run-of-the-mill 37 00:02:47,060 --> 00:02:53,800 So we're gonna run just a quick shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmark so that we have a before to compare to our after now 38 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:59,100 We don't need to run a whole suite of benchmarks because we're not comparing cards across different 39 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:06,660 Architectures different brands or even different GPUs. These are both running the same graphics core on them 40 00:03:06,660 --> 00:03:07,360 so 41 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,280 all we need to know is 42 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:15,540 Did they cripple it in some meaningful way or is it all just a software lock and we need to get our drivers installed for? 43 00:03:15,540 --> 00:03:18,600 This puppy speaking of which both the cards should be six gigs 44 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,720 So we should be looking at the the full CUDA core account 45 00:03:21,740 --> 00:03:29,100 So I've installed driver version for 16 dot 16, which is from October and I'll explain why I did that a little bit later on 46 00:03:29,420 --> 00:03:32,180 But we're gonna go ahead and fire up shadow the Tomb Raider 47 00:03:32,180 --> 00:03:36,840 We're running at 1920 by 1080 and at all high except I turned off motion blur 48 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,000 Because it's stupid. So here we have it 49 00:03:39,540 --> 00:03:43,740 Average FPS 68. Okay, you can oh you can see the specs of our test bench here 50 00:03:43,740 --> 00:03:54,830 So this is kind of a best-case scenario for the 1060. We've got a 9900 K in here and our minimums were oh, oh, yeah 51 00:03:54,830 --> 00:03:56,830 56 okay, that makes more sense 52 00:03:58,050 --> 00:04:00,710 So minimums of 56 that's very playable 53 00:04:01,830 --> 00:04:03,570 here comes 54 00:04:03,570 --> 00:04:05,750 the Chinese mining card 55 00:04:06,470 --> 00:04:11,460 Yeah, isn't that a great question? 56 00:04:11,460 --> 00:04:13,660 You guys probably couldn't hear that because Brandon? 57 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,060 Was like kind of mumbling come on over here Brandon 58 00:04:16,060 --> 00:04:22,430 Come on, how are you going to plug it in if it doesn't have IO? 59 00:04:22,650 --> 00:04:27,770 so we're not saying that this technique is gonna work for everyone because if 60 00:04:29,260 --> 00:04:31,040 your motherboard 61 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,040 does not have 62 00:04:33,540 --> 00:04:38,840 Graphics outputs and your CPU doesn't have an IGP you built into it 63 00:04:38,840 --> 00:04:45,680 You will not be able to do this, but remember how we got free sync running off of an NVIDIA card 64 00:04:45,860 --> 00:04:46,720 before 65 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:52,540 By passing the GPU power through the other card that interfaced with the display 66 00:04:52,900 --> 00:04:59,950 Well with the modified driver the theory is we'll be able to do the same thing here not with free sync mind you but with the 67 00:05:00,210 --> 00:05:06,790 performance of our graphics card being passed through the output of our onboard graphics 68 00:05:07,370 --> 00:05:14,400 This is a technology that didn't really have any reason to exist on desktops on their own 69 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,820 but it's kind of a carryover from laptops that have 70 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:24,600 Onboard graphics that they run when they're trying to save power and then high-performance graphics that they switch to in games 71 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,180 So but because the feature exists well we can take advantage of it here 72 00:05:29,180 --> 00:05:36,100 So we're gonna go ahead and install our 416.16 drivers at least we're going to try 73 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:43,140 Is this supposed to work? I didn't install that driver. There's a different driver that we need to install 74 00:05:43,700 --> 00:05:48,240 But if this works, then did it work if this works, then 75 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:57,580 I'm a little confused. I mean this driver is theoretically already installed on the system. No, okay, so we do have a problem 76 00:05:58,020 --> 00:06:04,660 Showing up as p106 100 in device manager instead of GTX 1060. Well, let's go ahead and let's let's try 77 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:12,140 But this is not supposed to work. So I may have jumped the gun here. Yeah, like yeah, it's showing up as a p106 but 78 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:19,970 The driver fully installed okay NVIDIA control panel is there but it's in display settings that I would switch to it, correct? 79 00:06:20,070 --> 00:06:20,810 Right under 80 00:06:20,810 --> 00:06:26,360 GPU, or graphics, graphics settings down at the bottom there. Graphics settings, there we go. 81 00:06:26,980 --> 00:06:38,620 Okay, so let's browse for an app. Options, here we go. High performance, save. Okay. Oh, 82 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:52,470 so it doesn't pick up a P106 as a high performance GPU option. Well, what happens if we pop open the 83 00:06:52,470 --> 00:06:59,120 NVIDIA control panel here? You are not currently using a display attached to an NVIDIA GPU. 84 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:06,300 All right, Anthony, come on in here. What do we need to do? Okay. And talk to the camera. So, 85 00:07:06,660 --> 00:07:12,660 okay. I'll move here. Okay. Let's just, yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. What do I need to do? 86 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:16,400 There's this little folder on the desktop that you missed, which is fine because it's like in 87 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:22,080 this honeycomb pattern, which is great. It's called mining. Okay. And in there is the actual 88 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:22,780 driver we need. 89 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:29,710 It is modified. But if you try to install that right now. Yeah. Chances are it will error out. 90 00:07:30,250 --> 00:07:36,780 Okay. So we need to disable secure boot. Okay. So that we have to restart for. Okay. Now, 91 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:43,800 the benefit of secure boot is theoretically that it prevents malware from attacking your 92 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:48,420 pre-boot environment. Is that about right? Yeah, but there's been an exploit on that. So, 93 00:07:48,420 --> 00:07:53,920 so this is the boot options menu in the advanced on the BIOS. It's going to change depending on 94 00:07:53,940 --> 00:07:57,780 what motherboard or computer you have. Yeah. But long story short, we're going to go into key 95 00:07:57,780 --> 00:08:03,630 management. Yeah. Then we're going to go to clear secure boot keys and it'll be like, do you really 96 00:08:03,630 --> 00:08:11,190 want to delete them? Yeah, we do. So now if we go out, it's disabled. I remember the first time I 97 00:08:11,190 --> 00:08:15,810 encountered this, I was just absolutely furious because it doesn't even register as a change to 98 00:08:15,810 --> 00:08:20,210 the BIOS. No, it's nothing. Like I was, I was so mad. I was like, what do you mean? That's how 99 00:08:20,210 --> 00:08:25,150 you disable it. I don't want to delete them forever necessarily. Like it's not really a very clear 100 00:08:25,150 --> 00:08:25,690 terminology. 101 00:08:25,770 --> 00:08:31,610 Anyway. Yeah, no. And you can put them back. It's, it's, it's ridiculous. Anyway, long story 102 00:08:31,610 --> 00:08:36,390 short, you can turn it off. It's perfectly fine. You can put it back if you want, but we need to 103 00:08:36,390 --> 00:08:40,250 turn it off for now. Okay. Now we're back in the PowerShell. We're going to try that command again. 104 00:08:40,590 --> 00:08:47,610 So it's PC edit slash. Oh, hello. Slash Windows still hasn't figured out how to not take the focus 105 00:08:47,610 --> 00:08:52,790 away from a window that I'm actively working on. How is that even possible? It's very rude. 106 00:08:53,190 --> 00:08:56,510 Anyway, slash set test signing. 107 00:08:56,630 --> 00:09:04,460 On. Completed successfully. Yay. Now we need to reboot. What this allows you to do is install 108 00:09:04,460 --> 00:09:09,640 drivers that have not been signed. So that means that they may have been modified. It might be 109 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,900 corrupted. It might cause instability in your system. So it's not generally a good idea, 110 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:19,240 but it is required in this case. One thing I am doing here is I'm going to disable Windows update 111 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:25,680 and there's no particular reason other than it annoys me when it tries to reinstall the driver. 112 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:28,060 So I'm just going to go ahead and do that. 113 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,410 You should probably turn it back on afterwards if you're doing this. Now we're going to go to 114 00:09:32,410 --> 00:09:39,980 device manager. We're going to delete this driver that we installed earlier. Yep. Do we have to DDU 115 00:09:39,980 --> 00:09:46,540 it or is that good enough? I think this is good enough. We can DDU it. It's probably best practice 116 00:09:46,540 --> 00:09:53,600 to DDU it, but YOLO. Anyway. For those not familiar, DDU is a third-party driver removal 117 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:58,740 utility that's actually freaking awesome. Go check it out if you ever have a stubborn driver issue. 118 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,140 And feel free to throw some support those guys way. They've been at it for a very long time. It's a 119 00:10:03,140 --> 00:10:10,160 really useful tool. I've used it many, many times. Here it is. So this is what happens. Normally you 120 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,960 would get an error saying that the driver is corrupted or modified or something like that. 121 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:19,240 But now... Go ahead. You can still explain it. Okay. But now what it came up with is 122 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:24,680 this software is unsigned. So it just came up with a warning because you've got test signing 123 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:28,320 mode on. It means that you're basically, for Windows, for all Windows knows, a driver developer. 124 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:34,000 You're installing that driver anyway. Again, if you see that under normal circumstances, 125 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:39,160 you should probably not do that. But it is required here. Do we have any way of knowing 126 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:45,820 that this driver is not installing malware on this system? No. Okay. Yeah, I haven't actually looked 127 00:10:45,820 --> 00:10:52,000 at it. So to be clear, what we're doing here, we are actually not recommending that you try it at 128 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:58,340 home. Graphics driver is installed. So we'll just close that. Now what we want to do is look at this. 129 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:06,510 So we're going to go into driver. It'll say not digitally signed here. Okay. So that's what we 130 00:11:06,510 --> 00:11:11,470 expect. That's what we expect. This is the not signed driver. It's running. So now we go into 131 00:11:11,470 --> 00:11:18,640 our display settings. Shadow the Tomb Raider. Shadow the Tomb Raider. Oh, we might need to 132 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:25,850 reboot. Yeah. I came up with the methodology here about two hours ago. And WAN Show started three 133 00:11:25,850 --> 00:11:31,780 minutes ago. Oh, that's cool. We're like 1000% seat of our pants right now. So we DDU'd it. 134 00:11:31,780 --> 00:11:37,240 We DDU'd it this time, which it turns out was probably a necessary step and we're ready to go 135 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:45,400 again. So we're going into here and there it is. High performance GPU, NVIDIA P106 100. So let's 136 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:55,050 make that the default and Shadow the Tomb Raider. Here we go. Remember guys, it's like under 70 US 137 00:11:55,050 --> 00:12:02,700 dollars. Okay. That's the important part of this. I'm so excited right now. It's worth remembering 138 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:03,120 that this card. 139 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:03,160 Okay. That's the important part of this. I'm so excited right now. It's worth remembering that this card. 140 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:10,550 Was basically destined for the recycling bin. Exactly. Like it could not game. There was no 141 00:12:10,550 --> 00:12:15,530 possible way. Well, could it be used for compute other than game or other than mining? Yeah, but 142 00:12:15,530 --> 00:12:20,810 it's a 1060 class GPU. So like it's not even worth the PCI express slot. You put it in for that kind 143 00:12:20,810 --> 00:12:25,720 of a workload. Yeah. But here it is maybe a new lease on life. And just so you guys know, there's 144 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:34,340 no, uh, there's no smoke and mirrors. Here's our HDMI cable. There it is going into the bottom of 145 00:12:34,340 --> 00:12:39,080 the monitor and directly into the back of the motherboard. There is nothing on this card. That 146 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,760 is looking pretty good. Actually, that might actually have been higher than the, uh, super 147 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:52,700 clone. Oh, that is looking real nice gaming on a graphics card with no outputs. Feels good, man. 148 00:12:53,780 --> 00:12:58,640 Well, we missed the moment when it came up, but, uh, that's fine. We've got our result. 149 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:06,040 And actually this is as good as I would have expected. So we fell four 150 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:12,640 FPS short in our averages. And then for our minimums, we only fell three FPS short. Now 151 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:18,700 you will see a slight difference in performance when you're running the compute or the, the, 152 00:13:18,700 --> 00:13:23,680 the rendering of the game on one GPU and then outputting it via another one. And this is pretty 153 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:28,180 much consistent with what I would expect from either that or the difference in clock speed 154 00:13:28,180 --> 00:13:37,060 between a super clocked and just a regular 10 60 cart. So it worked. Yeah. Pretty sweet. 155 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:43,720 But we are not saying at all that we would recommend this. So Anthony, 156 00:13:44,860 --> 00:13:49,960 um, there weren't really instructions from the seller on Taobao. Uh, where did you end 157 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:55,960 up getting the driver you used shockingly enough from our forum. There are actually a lot of 158 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:02,800 different forum posts about this long story short. There was one person who included a doc and a link 159 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,700 to a Google drive folder with all the stuff we needed, which was great. Thank you very much. 160 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:13,250 Um, with all that said, that is not a recommendation for any of you to go download 161 00:14:13,250 --> 00:14:20,030 that because there's no way of knowing when you're installing an unsigned driver. If anything has been 162 00:14:20,030 --> 00:14:24,770 changed other than the things that they said they changed, unless you're qualified to go 163 00:14:24,770 --> 00:14:28,910 through and examine exactly what it is they changed, in which case you could just go and 164 00:14:28,910 --> 00:14:36,990 do it yourself. So right now there's really no path to avoiding the scrap. 165 00:14:36,990 --> 00:14:40,670 for these P106, and if I recall correctly, 166 00:14:40,670 --> 00:14:43,410 there were GTX 1070 equivalents as well. 167 00:14:43,410 --> 00:14:44,250 Yeah, I think so. 168 00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:45,540 Cards. 169 00:14:45,540 --> 00:14:48,640 So really the onus is on NVIDIA to do something about it, 170 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,280 because while I'm not expecting them to run out 171 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,740 and make this a supported use case, 172 00:14:53,740 --> 00:14:56,460 for any motherboard with onboard video, 173 00:14:56,460 --> 00:14:58,440 there's no reason that this couldn't work 174 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,400 if they weren't specifically locking it out. 175 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,820 So I'm not asking them to support it, 176 00:15:03,820 --> 00:15:07,140 I'm just asking them to not specifically disable it, 177 00:15:07,140 --> 00:15:10,260 because this is a serious e-waste problem. 178 00:15:10,260 --> 00:15:13,500 Literally thousands, tens of thousands of these cards, 179 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:16,600 just useful for absolutely nothing anymore, 180 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,580 when gamers could be gaming on them. 181 00:15:19,580 --> 00:15:22,060 Now the next stage is getting ourselves 182 00:15:22,060 --> 00:15:26,600 one of those fancy solder alignment things that Rossman has, 183 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,500 and putting like an HDMI port on it. 184 00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:31,460 I wonder if it would work. 185 00:15:31,460 --> 00:15:34,080 I can't think of any reason it wouldn't. 186 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,780 Like, does it have the actual chips for it? 187 00:15:37,780 --> 00:15:38,280 I'm sure there's, 188 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,600 I don't think these guys modified their boards very much. 189 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,100 So all that's left now is to thank PIA 190 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:46,340 for sponsoring this video. 191 00:15:46,340 --> 00:15:50,360 Private internet access lets you use the internet privately. 192 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:51,200 Woo! 193 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,960 It allows you to get around government censorship, 194 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,800 access geo-locked content, 195 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,100 and even do things you might not think of, 196 00:15:57,100 --> 00:15:58,620 like save money on flights. 197 00:15:58,620 --> 00:16:01,100 So you can set your VPN to make it seem 198 00:16:01,100 --> 00:16:03,820 like you're shopping for tickets from somewhere else. 199 00:16:03,820 --> 00:16:05,360 They've got tons of great features. 200 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:06,620 They don't log user data. 201 00:16:06,620 --> 00:16:07,780 They've got servers in, 202 00:16:07,780 --> 00:16:09,240 I forget how many countries it is, 203 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,020 but it's like hundreds or thousands of servers 204 00:16:11,020 --> 00:16:11,760 or something like that. 205 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,340 Whatever, I'm sure all these talking points 206 00:16:13,340 --> 00:16:14,900 are being shown to you guys. 207 00:16:14,900 --> 00:16:16,880 It's freaking awesome, and it's affordable. 208 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,260 So check out PIA today at the link in the video description. 209 00:16:20,260 --> 00:16:21,160 So thanks for watching, guys. 210 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:22,960 If you disliked this video, you know where that button is. 211 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,520 But if you liked it, hit like, get subscribed, 212 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,060 or maybe consider checking out where to buy the stuff 213 00:16:26,060 --> 00:16:29,470 we featured at the link in the video description. 214 00:16:29,470 --> 00:16:30,650 Also down there is our merch store, 215 00:16:30,650 --> 00:16:33,390 which has cool shirts like that one, 216 00:16:33,390 --> 00:16:35,990 and our community forum, which you should totally join.