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Ho, ho, ho! Merry Christmas! Guess what I got you?

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Nothing.

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The WEN Show!

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Yay!

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Welcome, everybody! We've got a lot of great stuff to talk about today.

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John Carmack's decade in VR is over as he exits from Reality Labs, formerly Oculus.

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This actually broke last week, right before the show, so we didn't really get a chance to talk about it,

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but we're going to talk about it this week instead.

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Oh, this is a big one. This is actually the title topic of the show today.

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We got an update from Microsoft on our Windows Modern Standby video,

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where we basically went,

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you guys are ruining Windows laptops with this standby issue where the battery just drains for no reason.

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What the heck is going on over there?

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And we actually, apparently, raised some hell over at Microsoft,

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and Alex from our team managed to get on the phone with the VP of Windows,

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Windows Platform and Services, to go over some of our questions.

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So we're going to be talking about that call, what is going on over there,

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what it is that they're going to do about it.

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Got a whole big update for you guys. What else we got?

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I thought the LastPass breach was in the dock, but I can't find it.

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But we're probably going to talk about that anyways, because it's interesting.

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And also, we have three rapid-fire topics today.

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One is, Eufy admits they lied.

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One is, NVIDIA ends GameStream, recommends Steam Link.

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And another one is,

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facial recognition used to bar a lawyer from entering a venue.

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And the reason why I'm listing all of these is because some amount of them are written by ChatGPT.

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Wait, all the rapid-fires are written by ChatGPT?

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Some amount.

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And you are going to have to guess which ones are written by ChatGPT.

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Oh, no.

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And which ones are written by our team.

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I will say they have been slightly massaged to fit the format of how

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Okay.

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we normally do, but there are lots of, like, whole sentences and stuff that are taken directly from ChatGPT.

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Why?

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Okay.

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So you're going to have to figure out which ones or how many, whatever.

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We'll figure it out when we get there, but yeah.

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Okay.

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It's unlisted.

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It's not on YouTube.

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Who changed it to unlisted?

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Hold on.

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No, no, it's fine.

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I'll just set it to public and then they will see the rest of it later.

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Let's see.

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The show was brought to you by Vessi Footwear and two other things that were there before.

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See Sonic and Zoho One.

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Yes.

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Hold on a second.

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This should go.

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There we go.

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Properly unlisted it.

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Great.

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Let's jump right into our headline topic for the day, which is, of course, that Alex managed

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to get the VP of Windows Platform and Services on the phone to go over some of our concerns

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about Windows Modern Standby.

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First of all, I want to give Microsoft credit because on the one hand, yeah, they've clearly

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sat on ass on this issue for, well, years at this point, but on the other hand, now

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that we have raised it as a problem, now that the community has spoken and made their voices

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heard that this is a problem that affects them day to day, they appear to be taking

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it really seriously.

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So let's start with kind of Alex's interview and go from there.

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First, Alex asked, why is S3 sleep being removed from the system?

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Oh, no, we should give the people a bit of a catch you up if you didn't catch the original

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Did you watch the video?

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So Windows Modern Standby or S0 sleep is a connected type of sleep that is meant to replace

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the traditional S3 sleep.

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It's supposed to be connected, more power efficient, and generally a boon.

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It's been brought about in no small part by Intel's push for a more smartphone-like

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experience on Windows laptops.

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The problem is that a lot of the time when the machine is sleeping, I mean, I'm sure

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you've encountered this.

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Have you ever come to your laptop, found it to be piping hot with a dead battery after

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I also have like, I'll try to put my desktop to sleep.

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Okay, separate issue.

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I don't want to talk about that for now.

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Oh, I left it in the camera den.

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So, we basically came out and said, we think we figured this out.

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disproportionately affected.

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We figured out that by disabling the network connected aspect of this type of sleep on

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a Mac, we were able to get rid of that behavior, which we have also seen on a Mac.

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So, we're going to talk about that.

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So, we're going to talk about that.

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So, we're going to talk about that.

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Not a Mac, not even an Intel Mac, right?

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So, it's just a weird quirk of this type of sleep state.

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And we basically made a video calling out Microsoft saying, hey, this has been a problem

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for literally years.

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This cannot be because you already suffer from worse battery life compared to your main

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competitor, Apple, who is gaining market share in the mobile computer space.

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You've got to deal with this because it is killing.

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the experience of using a Windows laptop yeah like i talked to someone like Jake and i'm sitting

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hearing i'm sorry you charge your laptop like once a week that's impossible for me because half the

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time i go to grab my laptop it feels it's probably not half but it it feels like every time i go to

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grab my bloody laptop i might as well flip a coin for whether i'm going to have any battery left

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if you go somewhere without a cable you might as well not even brought the laptop exactly yeah

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exactly so we were trying to light a fire at microsoft and it seems like it worked so the

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first thing alex asked was why is s3 sleep being removed from the BIOS of laptops because that's

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the problem is you couldn't even just say look i don't want s0 i want s3 when there's this industry

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move towards eliminating s3 so here's the answer microsoft is moving away from s3 sleep because

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how each device goes to be because how each device goes to sleep is controlled by that device's

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firmware that means for a device to sleep properly the firmware needs to be updated and

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maintained

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by the company that made said device and as you can probably guess that doesn't happen all the

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time big problem with Windows being put on so many different things by using s0 sleep instead

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microsoft has more control over sleep and has a much higher success rate of everything going to

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sleep properly and waking up properly compared to s3 sleep and i have to admit i was wondering too

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well what was the problem with s3 sleep but then again i also know

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back to your desktop comment that there are plenty of problems with s3 sleep yeah like

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say for example disabling wake on mouse or wake on keyboard in the BIOS and yet having it magically

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wake up if you so much as bump your mouse anyway or just wake up randomly yeah right i had this

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thing for a while where i had to put it to sleep three times every time it would just wake

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back up again like five minutes later and i could finally get it to go down and i had

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why don't you just shut down your computer why don't you just shut down your computer

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if it's an advertised feature of the product no you don't get to complain about me complaining

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about it that is a problem that is objectively a problem and i don't want to hear it

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so so what you turn off your computer i don't give a but if the computer is supposed

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to go to sleep i am well within my right to expect that it will go to sleep okay it's like a child

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right the child is supposed to go to sleep so if it doesn't go to sleep

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well you're well within your right to yell at it and shake it

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obviously kidding obviously kidding i'm trying legal advice i'm trying to make it so people

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don't take me too seriously when i'm going because some people can't tell the difference okay

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all right anyway i also think sometimes it's like the backing into parking spaces thing like you

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might have a lot of time when you are done using said device but you might know that the next time

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that you have to start using it you're going to need to use it quickly but you don't want to just

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let it sit there running the whole time and i guess i get that your needs might not be the

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same as mine but that doesn't make them the only valid needs that too and i'm not saying that your

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way shouldn't be supported

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it's not supported that's the thing i'm not saying well everyone should shut down yeah you

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shouldn't shut down i'm saying you should be able to do both we should have choice like say for

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example there's a lot of really great feedback recently about the micron um facilities tour

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okay okay did you watch it by any chance no but it's it's in my watch later yeah it's really good

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yeah tons of comments basically this is the best video you guys have ever done

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this is far and away the best factory tour i've ever seen it's a really good video micron

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was amazing they really opened up allowed us to see not just see but use the facilities i made

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RAM i said that i saw that thumbnail and immediately added it to my watch later i made

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RAM it was so cool well here's the thing i can't did we just lose power how much ups do we have

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over here uh we need to we need to get power from the main server room ups let's freaking go

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uh we have three minutes okay how much uh okay uh luke entertain the

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people okay uh i don't think we're live though we're live we are live uh okay uh wait no yeah

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we're back hello hi uh it is night time on the land show now with luke how's it going Dan uh who

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usually sits back there behind the tv which i guess you guys don't see but it's also behind

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the camera uh pretty much said three minutes got up and ran uh and Linus also got up and ran we have

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lost power uh both of them are off trying to solve the problem i'm still not 100 certain if

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it's live people are saying f i think we're still sending some data i'm not 100 sure what's going on

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but assuming that this is going to someone right now i'm just gonna i'm just gonna keep going uh

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there's ups is beeping all around the building i'm not 100 certain what you guys can hear

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but we have one very large ups in the server room

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that i think they are going to try to work on i suspect if i had to make some assumptions

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that they are going to be shutting down certain things that are running off of that ups system

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to try to keep networking and whatnot going as long as possible so that we can keep the stream

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going i do believe that is the plan although i can hear them talking right now so theoretically

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that will be coming back soon um i don't know should i give you guys spoilers no i can't because

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then you guys will post them in chat and Linus will know which ones are

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which ones are real and which ones are fake so i won't i won't go through that

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um i don't think i can really complete this um sleep topic so i might jump into another one

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i think the one that i'm going to do is the last pass topic uh because if this

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stream is going out to no one uh that is probably the most okay one to do because

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there are no notes for it in the doc oh hello uh just all the lights coming on what's a good time oh

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this isn't ups running this we just got power back no this is this is ups this is ups okay

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yeah should we turn this off yeah just go for it you're fine there's extreme circumstances yeah we

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can just have a night when show it's fine directly through the notes legendary programmer john carmack

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known for programming the original doom uh and his love for vr has stepped down as consulting cto

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for reality Labs formerly oculus i actually didn't know they were called reality Labs i don't know why

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you would even know already if i didn't know that yeah i think that was a while back yeah i probably

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just didn't care because it's a weird name change that doesn't matter uh meta is famous for making

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and directing and directly breaking promises not to f it up uh in quotes

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you will not need a facebook account to use or develop for the rift that's definitely not a thing

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anymore quotes we are not going to track you flash ads at you or do anything invasive uh that's not

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a thing anymore in quotes we are going to we are not going to lock people out because they'regonica

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compete I actually didn't know that was broken but apparently that was broken in

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2016 yeah and then another one in quotes Facebook is going to give us access to

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massive resources but let us operate independently the first part they did if

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anything I think the entire world quadrupled hex two pulled down yeah the

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first yeah the first half of that is extremely correct and then in quotes

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none of our gaming resources will be diverted oh yeah that one uh not so much

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uh Carmack says that he has mixed feelings about leaving stating that the quest two in particular

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was almost exactly what he wanted to see despite complaints about the software yeah the proverbial

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straw that broke the camel's back is apparently the the gaming resources being diverted one for

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him I mean we know yeah John Carmack you know he's a gamer he's not a he's not a gamer he's

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not a game he's not into gaming right right John Carmack not not that into gaming just

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Doom yeah it's not a game yeah yeah it's a wall it's real it's a wall painting it's how we protect

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the world from demons it's training you know the storyline behind Doom is like surprisingly in

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depth yeah it's like there's a ton of lore yeah I had no idea yeah I mean either anyway uh Carmack

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has previously been critical of meta's direction saying that they should focus on products to tap

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into the metaverse before building out initiatives uh he worried that thousands of people's efforts

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spanning years would be spent

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on things that didn't contribute to the way people use devices today seems to be a little

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bit true his biggest problem however is the efficiency and speed of development he says

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that as someone who works hard at optimization seeing gross inefficiency hurts your soul likening

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to seeing five percent GPU utilization that is not surprising from him he has always been hyper into

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that uh this is one of the reasons why people still run some of his old games on like as many devices

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as you can imagine because they're really really well built for for optimization for regard like

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basically regardless of what platform you're on reality Labs he says operates at half the

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effectiveness that he'd like yikes that's a big I mean his standards are pretty high yes but there's

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probably still room for improvement also yes um his voice at the top of the company to his dismay

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has not been able to persuade the organization to improve he says uh that he has never been able to

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stop

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stupid things because they cause damage or set a direction and have the team stick to it he blames

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himself for this as instead of taking a leadership role and locking horns with Facebook on day one he

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focused on what he's best at programming that's also not surprising he assumed he would hate it

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be bad at it and probably lose anyways so that's why he stuck to programming he still deeply

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believes in VR and that meta is best able to show its value his parting advice in quotes

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is make better decisions and fill your products with give a damn now me too actually Carmex Focus

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will be on his artificial intelligence startup Keen Technologies which has received significant

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investment money in recent months artificial intelligence or AGI has the goal of making an

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artificial intelligence system that can theoretically do any task a human can a truer definition of AI

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far more limited in scope and off and is often just a matter of observe and fail at one thing

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until it gets better some like meta chief scientist yan lee hopefully i said that right i

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don't know sorry if i did say that wrong uh doubt that agi can or will ever become a reality others

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fear what agi could represent if created irresponsibly the ai overloads overlords

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joke hits a little differently for agi now what i kind of want to raise here uh is i think ai or agi

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or whatever is what a lot of people definitely including myself thought vr was going to be at

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this point in time yeah i think it's a huge disruptor i think it's going to change a ton

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of things i think it already has and the real usable levels of it have barely even existed yet

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when gpt4 comes out if places like google who have large language models similar to gp3 gpt4

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whatever if they start using those more publicly if other companies that have similar systems start

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using those more publicly i think the impact of these things are going to be on the scale

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that when oculus was first founded people thought the impact of vr was going to be at

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so i think it is a much more significantly interesting thing to work on right now

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carmack is is quite interested in leading his own things considering that the vast amount of his

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frustrations very clearly when leaving meta um was leadership decisions sure and and

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efficiencies and goals and all that type of stuff so if he can steer the ship more directly

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and he can do it on something that might be more punchy and more fun right now this is one of those

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things where i've i think i've talked to you about this like not on the show just talking um i don't

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know how i would handle working for someone else yeah as long as they made decisions that i agreed

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were really great it'd be fine but the second but they probably won't yeah and it's not going to be

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fine i i i think it's really hard to and the thing is that i like to think that i try pretty

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hard to reach consensus when we make a decision as a company um i have never experienced that anywhere else and i suspect that let me add to that midterm studies and career research stuff of people that have tried to trust their perspective as a company

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that have tried to trust their expertise as a company i

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recently wrote i think one thing is işi did a really good job when i did my paper for

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i did funny supporters so years this was really hard to for careers i wrote these standards general

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i suspect that is not very common and i suspect that even as i'm talking about this and you're

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sitting there nodding i'm not always perfect at it um but no but there's a reason i'm still here too

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i don't know i just i don't think i would i don't think i would find i wouldn't need to agree with

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everything but i don't think i would find a place where i would agree with enough and i think that's

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basically what he's run into here i've said this literally on the WAN Show before like i don't

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necessarily agree with everything we've ever done but i think that would be basically impossible

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um and it's fine and i think i i do agree with the vast majority of things that we've done

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um wow i want to give her a little more juice way less than i thought

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all right good enough nice i do agree with the vast majority of things that we've done

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and even when i don't agree with what we've done i can usually at least see the logic behind it

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Did she even get the discount?

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No, I don't think so.

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her shoes because no water got through them, and I was like, oh, we have a sponsor that

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She's like, oh, I have Vessis.

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I was like, what?

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Small world.

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How did this happen?

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But yeah, it's actually, that's actually a true story.

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What do you want to talk about?

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I want to get through these rapid fire topics because I want to see if you can sniff out.

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Sure.

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Which one of them was written by ChatGPT.

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So first, do you want me to read them and you can read through the notes and think about

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it?

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Or how do you want to do this?

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Let's just do it like we normally would.

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You know, I'll do one, you do one.

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Let's get through all three of them.

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Sure.

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And then I'll do my best.

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Okay.

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First up, we've got Eufy admits they lied.

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This has been a developing story over, man, like a month now, hasn't it?

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In a blog post addressed to Eufy security customers and partners.

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Anchor.

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The parent company of Eufy admitted to using the cloud to send mobile push notifications

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with small preview images, which are protected by end-to-end encryption and deleted shortly

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after being sent.

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The company also admitted to a security flaw in the live view feature on its web portal,

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but denied that any user data had been exposed or that facial recognition data was sent to

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the cloud.

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Eufy has made changes to the feature to require users to log into the web portal in order

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to view live streams.

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The company also said that it is committed to reducing the use of the cloud in its security

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processes wherever possible, and that it complies with all industry standards.

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Discussion question here is how much does an incident like this really tarnish a brand

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or its bottom line?

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I don't know.

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It depends how mainstream it is.

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I think it varies a lot.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think it depends how mainstream the reporting on the negativity surrounding it is.

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How much competition there is in the space.

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That too.

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You can talk day in and day out about what a toxic company NVIDIA might be, or Apple

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might be, and it's not going to stop people from buying their products.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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Whereas Eufy, I feel like what did not have as strong of a brand to begin with, and so

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much of the strength of their brand, at least based on the messages I'm seeing about it,

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was around that promise that they didn't upload anything to the cloud.

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So yeah, I could see it being extremely damaging.

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And there's quite a few competitors.

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Yeah.

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There's quite a few competitors, and there's competitors that are bigger names.

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So this could be a hugely negative impact.

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Kind of an underdog.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Our second discussion question is, if you became CEO of this company one week before

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the revelations, I hope the AI wrote this discussion question because this is a great

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discussion question.

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I suspect it was James who wrote this discussion question, though.

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I think, but I don't remember.

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I think all the discussion questions might be people.

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I had a meeting with Riley and James this week about sort of...

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Because we added, Luke and I added a bunch of topics to the doc right before the show

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went live last week.

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And Riley sent me the world's saddest email.

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It was pretty sad.

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Being like, you know...

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We work really hard.

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On these topics.

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It would be really nice to know if you're just like, would prefer other topics.

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And I'm like, oh, Riley, I'm sorry.

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It's not you.

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It's me.

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Let's have a meeting next week and kind of talk about why we changed them.

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And one of the things that wasn't just like me.

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Yeah.

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I know.

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Laying down an edict or whatever.

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But one of the things that came out of our discussion, you're a genius, Jake.

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He's got a...

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Jackery.

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A Jackery.

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Yeah.

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Speaking of...

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There's five?

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We're streaming WAN Show.

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Let's go.

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Heck yeah, Jake.

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All right.

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Do it.

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Wait.

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What were we talking about?

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Now, right.

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Yeah.

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So one of the things we came to together was that part of choosing a good show, you know,

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is...

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Choosing a good topic is looking at what the discussion topics will be.

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Because if the discussion topic is, is this bad?

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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Then there's nothing to really talk about.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's bad.

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We need some back and forth.

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Okay.

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Well, but why is it bad?

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How is it bad?

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Who was bad?

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Where was it bad?

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We've got to be able to...

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There's got to be some meat on the boat.

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There's got to be a discussion in the discussion question.

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Yeah.

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And so what I'm noticing is our discussion topics.

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Yeah.

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Our discussion questions are so much better because I think we're choosing topics based

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on how rich the discussion can be.

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Yeah.

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If you wanted to truly make things right, if you were the CEO of this company one week

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before this happened, so you can't alter course, all you can do is react to it, what would

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you have done differently?

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So I actually vaguely referenced this on the last show that we talked about, Yuffie, which

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I don't think was our last show.

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I think it was two shows ago or something.

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And this might tank the company.

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But what I said was they effectively had to recall devices.

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And I still kind of defend that.

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And yeah, it might tank the company.

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I don't know.

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But they advertised on local only.

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It is not local only.

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They're not going to be able to change the...

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Maybe you can.

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I doubt it.

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I don't think they're going to be able to change that.

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Certainly not immediately.

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So they need to...

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So maybe another option is offer full refunds.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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00:28:27,340 --> 00:28:29,040
They're explaining everything that's going on.

460
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,010
Be very transparent.

461
00:28:32,010 --> 00:28:33,710
Admit the things you got to admit.

462
00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:34,710
Offer a full refund.

463
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:35,710
Yeah.

464
00:28:35,710 --> 00:28:36,710
And if the user doesn't take it, they don't take it.

465
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:37,710
But like...

466
00:28:37,710 --> 00:28:46,280
So the CEO in me would be trying to avoid a full, we refund everything.

467
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,280
Yeah.

468
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,280
Yeah.

469
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,280
So I think you have to do the offer.

470
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,280
That's kind of the end.

471
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,280
Yeah.

472
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,280
You just tank the whole company.

473
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,280
Yeah.

474
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,280
You might as well just say, see you later.

475
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,280
Yeah.

476
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,280
At that point.

477
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,840
And I don't mean like as an FU to the customer.

478
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,220
That that would be the right thing to do.

479
00:28:59,220 --> 00:29:01,600
I mean, you just might not survive it.

480
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,420
You just spent so much money on R&D, you spent so much money on tooling, you spent so much

481
00:29:06,420 --> 00:29:09,800
money on manufacturing, you spent so much money on shipping, now you have to pay for

482
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:10,800
more shipping.

483
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:11,800
Yeah.

484
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:12,800
To take it all back.

485
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,800
And you didn't gain anything.

486
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:14,800
Yeah.

487
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:21,700
So what I would be trying to do is offer that option because you kind of have to, but I

488
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:26,840
would be trying to come up with a more compelling option that doesn't hurt me quite so much.

489
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:27,840
Yeah.

490
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,840
Right?

491
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:36,120
So I might be looking at, okay, if I can convince you to keep this in its current state and

492
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:41,820
I can send you the new working one when we get there, can we do that?

493
00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:42,820
Or I would be looking for-

494
00:29:42,820 --> 00:29:45,720
I don't know if there's a subscription, but maybe you give them six months for free or

495
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:46,720
something.

496
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:47,720
Yeah.

497
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,520
If I could keep this in its state for now, but I could get you to what we promised in

498
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,180
six months, can you accept that?

499
00:29:55,180 --> 00:29:56,800
I'd be trying to look for...

500
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,680
Ultimately, right, what the customer wanted was that product.

501
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,680
Yeah.

502
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:08,360
So what I would be trying to figure out is, is there any way without taking back everything

503
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,840
to get you what you paid for?

504
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,420
Well, there is some problems with that due to-

505
00:30:13,420 --> 00:30:14,420
I know.

506
00:30:14,420 --> 00:30:15,420
But-

507
00:30:15,420 --> 00:30:16,420
You already broke the trust.

508
00:30:16,420 --> 00:30:17,420
Yeah.

509
00:30:17,420 --> 00:30:19,680
So you have to throw in a bonus because you have to do more than just get them what they

510
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,680
paid for.

511
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:21,680
Well, there's some technical problems with that too.

512
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,680
For sure.

513
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,680
Getting notifications to local phones or remote phones, all this type of stuff.

514
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,680
For sure.

515
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,220
I understand the core idea of what you're saying.

516
00:30:29,220 --> 00:30:34,520
But I'd be trying to look for a way to kind of go, okay, it's going to take us some time.

517
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,740
We're going to have to do this to make it up to you, some kind of partial refund or

518
00:30:38,740 --> 00:30:39,740
some kind...

519
00:30:39,740 --> 00:30:42,460
Which is often not actually possible.

520
00:30:42,460 --> 00:30:46,920
You ran into this a little while ago where you were not able to issue someone a partial

521
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,740
refund through PayPal because it had been 180 days.

522
00:30:49,740 --> 00:30:51,680
They requested far past a reasonable date.

523
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,680
Yeah.

524
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:53,680
Yeah.

525
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:54,680
And PayPal literally wouldn't allow Luke to do it because I guess the assumption from their point of view...

526
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:55,680
Yeah.

527
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:56,680
Yeah.

528
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:57,680
...is that it must be under duress.

529
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:58,680
I don't know.

530
00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:59,680
Yeah.

531
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:00,680
Right?

532
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,680
Yeah.

533
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,580
I think their thing is they don't want to deal with...

534
00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:06,660
Because I think if you...

535
00:31:06,660 --> 00:31:11,380
If I remember correctly, if you do a refund within the terms, the fees and whatnot get

536
00:31:11,380 --> 00:31:12,380
refunded as well.

537
00:31:12,380 --> 00:31:13,380
Right.

538
00:31:13,380 --> 00:31:16,440
And there can be accounting challenges for everyone up and down the chain, right?

539
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,440
Yes.

540
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,440
Yeah.

541
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,400
Because if you have already remitted the taxes you collected, let me tell you something.

542
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,740
The state of California ain't going to be given a refund.

543
00:31:24,740 --> 00:31:27,500
Ain't going to be giving you back those taxes you remitted.

544
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:28,500
Yeah.

545
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:29,500
No chance.

546
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:31,500
No matter who you refunded, whatever you refunded to.

547
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:32,500
Yeah.

548
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:33,500
So there's challenges.

549
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:34,500
So you're just eating it.

550
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:35,500
Yeah.

551
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:37,500
Well, I mean, even if you just eat it, the reporting for that would be a nightmare.

552
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:39,740
I don't even know how you would account for it.

553
00:31:39,740 --> 00:31:40,740
Right?

554
00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:41,740
Yeah.

555
00:31:41,740 --> 00:31:42,740
So it's a nightmare.

556
00:31:42,740 --> 00:31:47,320
So, yeah, I'd be trying to look for a compromise, but I agree with you.

557
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,500
You don't have a choice.

558
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:49,500
You have to offer the option.

559
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:50,500
You have to do something.

560
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:51,500
Yeah.

561
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:52,500
You have to offer the option.

562
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:53,500
And a bunch of people are going to take it.

563
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:54,500
Yeah.

564
00:31:54,500 --> 00:32:00,480
If you are sincere and you are open, and this time you're honest, you might have a solid

565
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,680
amount of people that don't run.

566
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,680
But they didn't do that.

567
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:04,680
They did not.

568
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,020
They've taken too long.

569
00:32:06,020 --> 00:32:10,720
And honestly, this response seems kind of half-baked as far as I'm concerned.

570
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,960
Someone just needs to sue the trash out of them.

571
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:14,960
They're not going to be successful.

572
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,190
It's a Chinese company.

573
00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:17,190
Oh, right.

574
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:18,190
What are they going to do?

575
00:32:18,190 --> 00:32:19,190
Yeah.

576
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:20,190
Fair enough.

577
00:32:20,190 --> 00:32:21,190
Nothing.

578
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:22,190
Like China's going to protect their own.

579
00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:23,190
Get them banned from selling.

580
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:23,690
Yeah.

581
00:32:23,730 --> 00:32:24,730
So what?

582
00:32:24,730 --> 00:32:25,730
The States or something.

583
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:26,730
Yeah.

584
00:32:26,730 --> 00:32:32,450
And so I just, from my point of view, Anchor's on our list at this point, which is unfortunate.

585
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:34,230
We really enjoyed working with them actually.

586
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:35,230
I really liked Anchor.

587
00:32:35,230 --> 00:32:36,230
I genuinely liked the products.

588
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:37,230
Yeah.

589
00:32:37,230 --> 00:32:38,230
Me too.

590
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:44,490
So like, it sucks because finding good long-term sponsor partners is not something

591
00:32:44,490 --> 00:32:45,670
that's easy.

592
00:32:45,670 --> 00:32:48,850
And I feel for the poor sales team here, right?

593
00:32:48,850 --> 00:32:52,310
Because when I just rug pull them and I go, hey, yeah, that account that you've been handling,

594
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:53,190
that's doing.

595
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:54,870
It's over many thousands of dollars a year.

596
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:55,870
Guess what?

597
00:32:55,870 --> 00:32:58,290
You're not working with them anymore by edict of the king.

598
00:32:58,290 --> 00:32:59,290
Like that sucks.

599
00:32:59,290 --> 00:33:00,290
Right?

600
00:33:00,290 --> 00:33:01,290
Oh, it does.

601
00:33:01,290 --> 00:33:02,290
Yeah.

602
00:33:02,290 --> 00:33:03,290
Absolutely.

603
00:33:03,290 --> 00:33:04,290
Like imagine you worked in sales somewhere, right?

604
00:33:04,290 --> 00:33:07,690
Your boss comes into the room and says, yeah, certain quotas and all this type of stuff.

605
00:33:07,690 --> 00:33:08,690
Yeah.

606
00:33:08,690 --> 00:33:11,650
That car that's on the lot, you can't sell that car anymore.

607
00:33:11,650 --> 00:33:16,210
Or like you can't work with, you know, I don't know, families.

608
00:33:16,210 --> 00:33:20,690
Anytime a family walks on the lot, you can't sell them anymore or whatever it is.

609
00:33:20,690 --> 00:33:21,690
Right.

610
00:33:21,690 --> 00:33:22,650
Kind of frustrating.

611
00:33:22,650 --> 00:33:23,650
Like that sucks.

612
00:33:23,650 --> 00:33:24,650
What?

613
00:33:24,650 --> 00:33:25,650
I just let them walk by.

614
00:33:25,650 --> 00:33:26,650
Frustrating the whole way down the chain.

615
00:33:26,650 --> 00:33:27,650
I just let them walk by.

616
00:33:27,650 --> 00:33:28,650
I got quotas to hit.

617
00:33:28,650 --> 00:33:29,650
Right?

618
00:33:29,650 --> 00:33:30,650
That sucks.

619
00:33:30,650 --> 00:33:31,650
So.

620
00:33:31,650 --> 00:33:32,650
Let me do my job.

621
00:33:32,650 --> 00:33:33,650
That's just the way it's going to have to be, though.

622
00:33:33,650 --> 00:33:34,790
I think I just don't see a way out for us.

623
00:33:34,790 --> 00:33:36,970
We can't in good conscience continue to work with them.

624
00:33:36,970 --> 00:33:38,410
We have to have standards.

625
00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:43,330
The way out of this topic, though, is transitioning into NVIDIA ending game stream and recommending

626
00:33:43,330 --> 00:33:48,330
Steam Link, which was really weird and surprising to me.

627
00:33:48,330 --> 00:33:49,330
Yeah.

628
00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:50,650
NVIDIA has announced that it will be ending its Shield TV game stream feature in four days.

629
00:33:50,650 --> 00:33:51,650
Yeah.

630
00:33:51,650 --> 00:33:52,650
Yeah.

631
00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:54,330
It's going to be in February 2023.

632
00:33:54,330 --> 00:33:59,110
In response, users have expressed frustration and disappointment, with some arguing that

633
00:33:59,110 --> 00:34:05,390
the Steam Link app recommended by NVIDIA as an alternative is just not as good.

634
00:34:05,390 --> 00:34:09,630
For example, some users have reported that Steam Link has lower quality video, less responsive

635
00:34:09,630 --> 00:34:12,830
controls or slower speeds compared to game stream.

636
00:34:12,830 --> 00:34:16,450
Others have complained that the apps interface or the need to purchase a separate device

637
00:34:16,450 --> 00:34:17,450
to use it.

638
00:34:17,450 --> 00:34:18,450
Now, separate device.

639
00:34:18,450 --> 00:34:22,150
I mean, you already needed an NVIDIA Android device to use game stream.

640
00:34:22,650 --> 00:34:25,970
I don't know if I really buy that one, because you can install Steam Link on a shield.

641
00:34:25,970 --> 00:34:28,410
To be fair, I think it's a separate device compared to what.

642
00:34:28,410 --> 00:34:29,410
Oh, I see.

643
00:34:29,410 --> 00:34:30,410
Yeah.

644
00:34:30,410 --> 00:34:31,410
Yeah.

645
00:34:31,410 --> 00:34:33,050
So I don't agree with that.

646
00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:41,940
However, I do think that NVIDIA's investment into game stream was a real one and a good

647
00:34:41,940 --> 00:34:42,940
one.

648
00:34:42,940 --> 00:34:43,940
It was a good product.

649
00:34:43,940 --> 00:34:48,100
It was one that I personally was very enthusiastic about.

650
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:51,100
And I've used Steam Link and they're right.

651
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:52,100
It's not as good.

652
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:53,320
It just.

653
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,320
I don't know.

654
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,320
I want Steam Link to be great.

655
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,320
Yeah.

656
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,320
But it's just not there.

657
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,870
There are alternative options like Moonlight.

658
00:35:00,870 --> 00:35:01,870
That's dependent on game stream.

659
00:35:01,870 --> 00:35:02,870
Oh, is it really?

660
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:04,670
I thought it just used the encoder.

661
00:35:04,670 --> 00:35:07,970
I didn't think it actually piggybacked on game stream.

662
00:35:07,970 --> 00:35:13,070
I'm not 100% certain in my completely independent of writing this article research.

663
00:35:13,070 --> 00:35:15,150
I heard that it's dependent on game stream.

664
00:35:15,150 --> 00:35:19,750
Oh, that sucks right now due to the power issues we're having.

665
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:21,370
We don't actually have chat.

666
00:35:21,370 --> 00:35:23,530
These local laptops do not have Internet at all.

667
00:35:23,530 --> 00:35:24,530
Yeah.

668
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:25,530
So we're we're working on that.

669
00:35:25,530 --> 00:35:27,530
But for now, we got nothing.

670
00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:30,730
So I can't I can't look into any of this and I can't see what you guys are saying.

671
00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:35,450
But some have suggested using Sunshine, which is a game stream host for Moonlight as an

672
00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:36,800
alternative.

673
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,800
Do you have a SIM tool?

674
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:38,800
Do I have a SIM tool?

675
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,080
I do.

676
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,500
I know.

677
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:45,100
We should have at least three hours.

678
00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:46,100
Three hours.

679
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:47,100
We got Jackery.

680
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:48,100
Let's go.

681
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:50,060
There's a Jackery plugged into the UPS.

682
00:35:50,060 --> 00:35:52,580
There's a Jackery plugged into the UPS.

683
00:35:52,580 --> 00:35:53,990
Jackery has a plug.

684
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:54,990
Because it has a 20 amp plug.

685
00:35:54,990 --> 00:35:55,990
Of course it does.

686
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:56,990
Yeah.

687
00:35:56,990 --> 00:35:57,990
Shout out.

688
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:58,990
Shout.

689
00:35:58,990 --> 00:35:59,990
They didn't sponsor the WAN Show today, but they might as well have.

690
00:35:59,990 --> 00:36:05,010
Shout out Jackery for like sending us a new Jackery every time we do any kind of work

691
00:36:05,010 --> 00:36:06,010
with them.

692
00:36:06,010 --> 00:36:11,790
So we just have this pile of Jackery's that we keep charged in the event of an emergency.

693
00:36:11,790 --> 00:36:12,790
With good reason.

694
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:14,070
And are now using, which is amazing.

695
00:36:14,070 --> 00:36:15,070
Oh, you can use your phone.

696
00:36:15,070 --> 00:36:16,070
Yeah.

697
00:36:16,070 --> 00:36:17,070
My phone has Internet.

698
00:36:17,070 --> 00:36:18,070
So perfect.

699
00:36:18,070 --> 00:36:19,990
I'm keeping it away from the cables because there's crazy feedback that comes through.

700
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:20,990
But whatever.

701
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:21,990
Cool.

702
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:23,990
Because Moonlight uses NVIDIA Game Streams.

703
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:24,990
NVIDIA's Game Stream protocol.

704
00:36:24,990 --> 00:36:29,930
It is unclear if it will still work after the mid-February update.

705
00:36:29,930 --> 00:36:30,930
So it might work.

706
00:36:30,930 --> 00:36:31,930
Might.

707
00:36:31,930 --> 00:36:33,010
But maybe not forever.

708
00:36:33,010 --> 00:36:35,010
Or it might just not.

709
00:36:35,010 --> 00:36:36,010
Got it.

710
00:36:36,010 --> 00:36:37,010
We have no idea.

711
00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:38,010
A petition.

712
00:36:38,010 --> 00:36:39,010
This isn't going to work.

713
00:36:39,010 --> 00:36:43,130
A petition on Change.org has been created to try to reverse the decision to shut down

714
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:45,270
Game Stream.

715
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:48,950
The petition itself isn't going to work at all.

716
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:54,250
Maybe pressure in general towards NVIDIA will do something, but no one has cared about petitions

717
00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:54,990
since like.

718
00:36:54,990 --> 00:36:55,990
The internet started.

719
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:56,990
Yeah.

720
00:36:56,990 --> 00:36:57,990
So it's just a thing.

721
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:58,990
Yeah.

722
00:36:58,990 --> 00:36:59,990
Which is unfortunate to be clear.

723
00:36:59,990 --> 00:37:00,990
We're not saying it should be that way.

724
00:37:00,990 --> 00:37:01,990
No.

725
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:02,990
It just hasn't seemed to have any kind of effect.

726
00:37:02,990 --> 00:37:03,990
If you really want to get a company's attention, I would say that a hundred tweets to their

727
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:04,990
corporate handle is going to be a hundred times more effective than 10,000 signatures

728
00:37:04,990 --> 00:37:05,990
on a Change.org petition.

729
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:06,930
Especially if you get a bunch of people to do it at a very similar time.

730
00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:07,930
Yeah.

731
00:37:07,930 --> 00:37:08,930
So you can get it to translate.

732
00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:09,930
Yeah.

733
00:37:09,930 --> 00:37:10,930
Yeah.

734
00:37:10,930 --> 00:37:11,930
Yeah.

735
00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:12,930
Yeah.

736
00:37:12,930 --> 00:37:13,930
Yeah.

737
00:37:13,930 --> 00:37:14,930
Yeah.

738
00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:15,930
Yeah.

739
00:37:15,930 --> 00:37:16,930
Yeah.

740
00:37:16,930 --> 00:37:17,930
Yeah.

741
00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:18,930
Yeah.

742
00:37:18,930 --> 00:37:19,930
Yeah.

743
00:37:19,930 --> 00:37:20,930
Yeah.

744
00:37:20,930 --> 00:37:21,930
Yeah.

745
00:37:21,930 --> 00:37:22,930
Yeah.

746
00:37:22,930 --> 00:37:23,930
Yeah.

747
00:37:23,930 --> 00:37:24,930
Yeah.

748
00:37:24,930 --> 00:37:25,930
Yeah.

749
00:37:25,930 --> 00:37:26,930
Yeah.

750
00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:27,930
Yeah.

751
00:37:27,930 --> 00:37:28,930
Yeah.

752
00:37:28,930 --> 00:37:29,930
Yeah.

753
00:37:29,930 --> 00:37:30,930
Yeah.

754
00:37:30,930 --> 00:37:31,930
Yeah.

755
00:37:31,930 --> 00:37:32,930
Yeah.

756
00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:33,930
Yeah.

757
00:37:33,930 --> 00:37:34,930
Yeah.

758
00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:35,930
Yeah.

759
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:36,930
Yeah.

760
00:37:36,930 --> 00:37:37,930
Yeah.

761
00:37:37,930 --> 00:37:38,930
Yeah.

762
00:37:38,930 --> 00:37:39,930
Yeah.

763
00:37:39,930 --> 00:37:40,930
Yeah.

764
00:37:40,930 --> 00:37:41,930
Yeah.

765
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:42,930
Yeah.

766
00:37:42,930 --> 00:37:43,930
Yeah.

767
00:37:43,930 --> 00:37:44,930
Yeah.

768
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:45,930
Yeah.

769
00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:46,930
Yeah.

770
00:37:46,930 --> 00:37:47,930
Yeah.

771
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:48,930
Yeah.

772
00:37:48,930 --> 00:37:49,930
Yeah.

773
00:37:49,930 --> 00:37:50,930
Yeah.

774
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:51,930
Yeah.

775
00:37:51,930 --> 00:37:52,930
Yeah.

776
00:37:52,930 --> 00:37:53,930
Yeah.

777
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:54,930
Yeah.

778
00:37:54,930 --> 00:37:58,170
The person at that level is just going to go, look, it's already over.

779
00:37:58,350 --> 00:37:58,590
Yes.

780
00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:59,250
It's fine.

781
00:37:59,330 --> 00:38:00,710
This is clearly resolved.

782
00:38:00,870 --> 00:38:01,030
Yeah.

783
00:38:01,150 --> 00:38:03,950
So if you are upset, you have to make noise.

784
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:06,310
You have to continue to make noise.

785
00:38:06,490 --> 00:38:08,470
And then you have to not stop making noise.

786
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:10,910
And you have to hope a lot of other people are doing the same thing.

787
00:38:10,990 --> 00:38:11,130
Yeah.

788
00:38:11,130 --> 00:38:12,930
If you're by yourself, it's not going to accomplish much.

789
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:17,980
I mean, man, I see this in a number of different ways.

790
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,000
I haven't touched GameStream in a long time.

791
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:21,840
I was just going to say.

792
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,800
I have three shields in my house and I haven't touched it.

793
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,660
As much as this sucks, it might ultimately be what NVIDIA needs to do.

794
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,400
As much as we just told everyone how to complain about this properly.

795
00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:38,740
If not enough people are using it, and if it's not really a driver for people to purchase

796
00:38:38,740 --> 00:38:42,380
their products, et cetera, and it's this huge cost sink, like companies are companies.

797
00:38:43,180 --> 00:38:43,320
Yeah.

798
00:38:43,460 --> 00:38:45,240
And NVIDIA is definitely a company.

799
00:38:45,420 --> 00:38:46,200
Oh, heck yeah.

800
00:38:46,660 --> 00:38:50,640
So like if it's, there are some cost sinks that companies will keep around.

801
00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:52,120
Cough, cough, the forum.

802
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,580
Yeah, it doesn't cost that much.

803
00:38:55,620 --> 00:38:56,220
Not really.

804
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,500
It's not a huge cost sink, but it definitely loses money.

805
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:02,600
Yeah.

806
00:39:03,260 --> 00:39:04,360
Not a ton, but it's negative.

807
00:39:05,340 --> 00:39:07,720
But like you can't do that with everything.

808
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:13,400
GameStream is probably a relatively complicated thing to keep updated and working with everything

809
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,020
all the time and performant and whatnot.

810
00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:19,440
So like, I'm not happy this is going away.

811
00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:24,860
And I'm sure that the people who like started the change.org petition and the people that are,

812
00:39:24,860 --> 00:39:29,900
are really angry about this are people who have heavily integrated this into their setups.

813
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:32,180
And that sucks.

814
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:32,520
Yep.

815
00:39:32,820 --> 00:39:33,740
That's the thing.

816
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,020
That's what Apple is so good at.

817
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:43,160
They don't always have the best product, but dammit, that sucky product in their walled garden with

818
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,100
their stupid limitations is going to still exist in five years.

819
00:39:47,180 --> 00:39:47,420
Yep.

820
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:48,800
Not always.

821
00:39:48,860 --> 00:39:51,680
I mean, their, uh, their servers went away.

822
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,380
Uh, what else could I point at as I've been there?

823
00:39:54,840 --> 00:40:02,660
Their professional desktops effectively went away, then came back for one generation and seem to have gone away again.

824
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:08,700
They're not perfect, but if you buy an iPhone, you can expect continuity.

825
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,700
You can expect that software for iPhone will still be an option on newer hardware.

826
00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:21,140
That I mean, 3d touch, uh, you know, by and large works the same way that the old one did, but more better.

827
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:24,140
Like that's some, that is something that just plain.

828
00:40:24,140 --> 00:40:32,180
Sucks on the, the, the, the, the PC Android, more wild west open side of things like I, okay.

829
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:36,440
We did a video right before the WAN Show on this wireless GPU.

830
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:37,410
Okay.

831
00:40:37,410 --> 00:40:41,850
There was a, a four 60 that had five antennas hanging off of it.

832
00:40:41,850 --> 00:40:43,170
GTX four 60.

833
00:40:43,610 --> 00:40:47,610
I'll got all these antennas hanging off of it has this receiver dongle that comes with it.

834
00:40:47,610 --> 00:40:50,870
That has an HDMI out that goes into any HD display.

835
00:40:51,290 --> 00:40:53,750
And it was meant to be an all in one solution.

836
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:54,990
For wireless display.

837
00:40:55,310 --> 00:40:55,670
Okay.

838
00:40:56,090 --> 00:40:57,170
Super cool product.

839
00:40:57,570 --> 00:41:10,730
But if you buy into that, literally design your home theater set up around it thinking I'm definitely going to have an upgrade path for this over the next few years, I'm going to integrate this into my life.

840
00:41:11,250 --> 00:41:11,930
You're an idiot.

841
00:41:12,350 --> 00:41:14,390
Cause it's not going to happen to be fair.

842
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:15,210
It's NVIDIA.

843
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:18,250
I don't think in videos killed a lot of their projects.

844
00:41:18,690 --> 00:41:19,430
I can't think of it.

845
00:41:20,250 --> 00:41:20,590
Sorry.

846
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:22,990
Um, yeah, but the whole world.

847
00:41:22,990 --> 00:41:23,190
Okay.

848
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:23,530
Thanks.

849
00:41:25,020 --> 00:41:26,720
Physics was around for a long time.

850
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:27,140
Yeah.

851
00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:37,640
And it's technically still around, but not in the form that was promised to us in the days and in the wake of the NVIDIA acquisition, NVIDIA abandoned wears things.

852
00:41:38,180 --> 00:41:38,960
They do.

853
00:41:39,420 --> 00:41:40,020
They do.

854
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,360
I guess, I guess my brain just keeps comparing it to Google and it's like, no, not really.

855
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,160
But yeah, those are, those are a few examples.

856
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:46,460
Yeah.

857
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,700
The shield portable.

858
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:48,200
Okay.

859
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,780
Handheld handheld gaming consoles.

860
00:41:50,780 --> 00:41:51,660
What happened to those?

861
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,280
One and done boom.

862
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:53,900
See you later.

863
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:55,160
Now, I'm video kills stuff.

864
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,460
Let's not kid ourselves.

865
00:41:56,460 --> 00:41:57,500
Fair enough, fair enough.

866
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,080
Um, and so, and so that really sucks.

867
00:42:01,340 --> 00:42:07,760
And that's one of the reasons that smart home has smart home technology has been such a struggle, right?

868
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,260
Because there's no ecosystem that you can buy into and just hope for continuity.

869
00:42:12,260 --> 00:42:15,260
Well, you can buy into it and hope, but you're, but it's not going to come true.

870
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:23,660
And so our discussion question here is to what extent does the removal of something like game stream represent a broken promise to customers of the NVIDIA?

871
00:42:23,660 --> 00:42:28,940
We can use way back machine at this point to go look at the marketing of the shield.

872
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:44,280
Look at how prominently NVIDIA featured this particular, uh, capability of the product in their marketing and say, Hey, this is tantamount to outright false advertising at this point.

873
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:53,420
And this is something that is happening more and more like a perfect example is what Google's done with their home, with their hub products and their, their nest home product.

874
00:42:53,420 --> 00:42:53,640
Yeah.

875
00:42:54,260 --> 00:43:02,920
Where that lawsuit from Sonos affected their ability to set up the product to such an extent that it is extremely user unfriendly.

876
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:19,160
Now, I mean, you, you, I'm sorry, but there has to be legislation put in place that says if you advertise a fucking feature, you don't get to take it away with an update.

877
00:43:19,540 --> 00:43:22,780
You can't update your product to make it worse.

878
00:43:23,380 --> 00:43:24,280
My, my steam deck.

879
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:24,440
Doesn't work.

880
00:43:24,460 --> 00:43:28,240
So I can't swear, but it's like, uh, it's the power zone is fine.

881
00:43:28,380 --> 00:43:31,540
Uh, it's, it's, it's, it's like the games recently as well.

882
00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:31,720
Right.

883
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:34,220
We talked about these games, especially VR games.

884
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,540
Uh, there was a few of them that didn't sell super well.

885
00:43:38,170 --> 00:43:43,970
So they just completely offlined all their servers, but they're online only games and people bought them.

886
00:43:44,090 --> 00:43:46,490
I don't even care if one person bought it.

887
00:43:46,590 --> 00:43:46,750
Yeah.

888
00:43:46,810 --> 00:43:48,110
You advertise this game.

889
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:50,790
You shouldn't be able to shut down the servers like one year later.

890
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:51,730
That's crazy.

891
00:43:52,050 --> 00:43:52,270
Yeah.

892
00:43:52,370 --> 00:43:53,150
That's ridiculous.

893
00:43:53,150 --> 00:43:54,190
Or you should have to.

894
00:43:54,190 --> 00:43:57,870
As we've said so many times, you should have to release the server side code.

895
00:43:57,950 --> 00:43:58,210
Yeah.

896
00:43:58,610 --> 00:43:59,290
At the very least.

897
00:43:59,290 --> 00:44:00,590
And if nobody picks it up.

898
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:01,720
All right.

899
00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:02,320
So be it.

900
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:02,620
Yeah.

901
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:03,220
So be it.

902
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,140
But if you advertise the feature, then I think there needs to be legislation in place.

903
00:44:08,140 --> 00:44:09,200
Your button's not working.

904
00:44:09,260 --> 00:44:10,220
I found out.

905
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:15,220
Um, that in good faith, you have to provide the community.

906
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:20,610
You have to give stewardship over to someone so that it can be maintained.

907
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:20,950
Yeah.

908
00:44:21,490 --> 00:44:24,310
And I think when it comes to software, there's.

909
00:44:24,310 --> 00:44:29,830
Uh, vibrant enough open source community that someone would take this and run with it.

910
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:43,840
I don't know if they're going to run with it as well as, uh, the, the SUPCOM guys, but yeah, there, there is still, uh, there are communities outside of the, uh, just honestly, fairly stunningly awesome Supreme commander community.

911
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:49,480
There are communities outside of that, that are running old games that have become, uh, open source or shareware in some way.

912
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:51,040
And it's, it's pretty cool.

913
00:44:52,180 --> 00:44:53,480
Um, we have one more.

914
00:44:53,660 --> 00:44:54,400
Whoa.

915
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,300
Is that intentional?

916
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,480
Oh, I think they're using Jackery's to restore it.

917
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,140
Wait, no, it is.

918
00:45:00,140 --> 00:45:01,760
This is the power is the power on.

919
00:45:02,740 --> 00:45:04,020
No emergency lights.

920
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,200
I think that, yeah, they're using Jackery's to, uh, to bring the lights back on.

921
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:09,720
Oh, it is back on.

922
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,660
The emergency lights are off, right?

923
00:45:12,660 --> 00:45:13,020
That should.

924
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:14,760
Okay.

925
00:45:14,980 --> 00:45:15,420
All right.

926
00:45:18,310 --> 00:45:18,670
All right.

927
00:45:18,670 --> 00:45:19,330
We've got this.

928
00:45:19,330 --> 00:45:20,350
Can we turn this back on?

929
00:45:20,350 --> 00:45:20,930
Yeah, it might be.

930
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:21,850
Uh, Hey.

931
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:22,750
All right.

932
00:45:22,750 --> 00:45:22,950
Cool.

933
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:23,650
That right there.

934
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,580
Um, is someone from float.

935
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,620
Plane trying to figure out getting access to these files to kind of stitch everything on it.

936
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:32,980
Yeah.

937
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,300
AJ, you are an absolute French Canadian champion.

938
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,100
Um, I'm sorry.

939
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:39,940
I had to qualify.

940
00:45:39,940 --> 00:45:40,540
I'm, I'm fair.

941
00:45:40,540 --> 00:45:41,500
I'm fairly certain.

942
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:43,780
He's got the first one coming down already.

943
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:44,140
All right.

944
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,760
Um, I don't know.

945
00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:49,280
I don't think he's even heard at this point that we need the second one.

946
00:45:49,420 --> 00:45:51,760
If you're watching this, AJ, I'm sorry, but it's true.

947
00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:52,360
All right.

948
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,560
We're going to do our third, maybe written by AI topic.

949
00:45:57,060 --> 00:45:58,380
Facial recognition.

950
00:45:58,380 --> 00:46:03,660
Was used to bar a lawyer pun intended from entering a venue.

951
00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:07,740
And this maybe doesn't sound like that big of a deal, but it's a big deal.

952
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:22,940
A mother accompanying her daughter's girl scout troop to a Rockettes show at radio city music hall in Manhattan over the Thanksgiving weekend was denied entry after facial recognition software, allegedly identified her.

953
00:46:22,940 --> 00:46:28,260
So this is before submitting any kind of identification or ticket or anything.

954
00:46:28,380 --> 00:46:45,860
Kelly Conlin, imagine doing this to a lawyer on purpose, anyway, Kelly Conlin, the woman in question works as a lawyer for a firm that is involved in a personal injury claim against, um, MSG entertainment, the group that owns the venue.

955
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:51,740
She does not, however, practice in New York and is not involved in the particular case.

956
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:58,280
So Conlin claims she was approached by security and asked to produce identification.

957
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:10,640
After passing through the metal detectors into the main lobby, a sign in the lobby does state that facial recognition technology is in use for the safety of guests and employees.

958
00:47:12,350 --> 00:47:13,130
Interesting.

959
00:47:14,010 --> 00:47:26,290
MSG entertainment claims they have a policy that precludes attorneys pursuing active litigation against the company from attending events at our venues until that litigation has been resolved.

960
00:47:29,650 --> 00:47:31,690
Brutal, absolutely.

961
00:47:31,690 --> 00:47:31,910
Brutal.

962
00:47:32,350 --> 00:47:35,710
The heck timeline are we on Luke?

963
00:47:36,010 --> 00:47:40,210
Imagine going into, uh, I don't even know if these exist.

964
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:43,750
Imagine going into an anchor one random person.

965
00:47:43,930 --> 00:47:57,250
Who's never even heard of this story that works at, uh, one of the companies here walking into an anchor store and being told to leave because they know that they're employed by the parent company of this company that has some kind of ongoing dispute.

966
00:47:57,370 --> 00:47:57,670
Yeah.

967
00:47:58,090 --> 00:48:01,470
Like this can, it doesn't even have to be a dispute, right?

968
00:48:01,510 --> 00:48:01,750
This.

969
00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:05,130
This can of worms is open wild.

970
00:48:05,350 --> 00:48:23,210
Imagine any, uh, Sonos employee was to try to use a Google service if they bought a Google home and went to set it up and it used AI voice recognition to say, Hey, we couldn't help noticing that you're such and such from Google's hardware division.

971
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:25,270
Uh, why don't you go F yourself?

972
00:48:25,330 --> 00:48:28,770
And, uh, yeah, that's pretty much it.

973
00:48:28,770 --> 00:48:29,310
See you later.

974
00:48:31,150 --> 00:48:32,670
Absolutely.

975
00:48:32,670 --> 00:48:33,110
What?

976
00:48:33,110 --> 00:48:33,890
Wild.

977
00:48:36,670 --> 00:48:37,430
Yeah, that's crazy.

978
00:48:38,850 --> 00:48:39,870
Absolutely crazy.

979
00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:40,710
Discussion question.

980
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:48,030
What are your feelings about facial recognition being used to bar people from events based on, uh, scraped data sets like this?

981
00:48:48,810 --> 00:48:50,730
Um, when is it appropriate?

982
00:48:50,730 --> 00:48:51,430
When is it not?

983
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:52,290
Where's the line?

984
00:48:54,130 --> 00:48:55,910
This is bad.

985
00:48:57,220 --> 00:48:58,100
Uh, I don't know.

986
00:48:58,100 --> 00:48:59,360
I'm, I'm hot spotted.

987
00:49:00,980 --> 00:49:02,320
Uh, I, I can check though.

988
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:02,860
I'll check.

989
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:03,400
Jinx.

990
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,120
You owe me a ride home.

991
00:49:04,940 --> 00:49:06,920
I, I, I mean, that was the plan.

992
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:07,120
Okay.

993
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:07,240
Okay.

994
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:07,540
Okay.

995
00:49:07,540 --> 00:49:07,600
Okay.

996
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:07,720
Okay.

997
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:07,960
Okay.

998
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,760
Um, I'm taking him for a ride in my new car.

999
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:13,220
Yeah.

1000
00:49:14,350 --> 00:49:16,070
I haven't really talked about it yet.

1001
00:49:16,070 --> 00:49:18,130
I think that's the first public announcement.

1002
00:49:18,130 --> 00:49:20,250
That's the first public acknowledgement.

1003
00:49:20,310 --> 00:49:27,850
I don't know about appropriate, but one thing I'm going to throw out there is I think this might become a big thing for political events.

1004
00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:28,950
Yeah.

1005
00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:29,730
Oh, wow.

1006
00:49:29,730 --> 00:49:36,580
Cause if you can keep protesters out by knowing what their affiliations are based on facial recognition, pairing that, pairing that with public recognition.

1007
00:49:36,580 --> 00:49:38,000
Where else they've been seen?

1008
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:38,580
Pairing that with public recognition.

1009
00:49:38,580 --> 00:49:47,900
Public information, like Twitter accounts or whatever else, um, and figuring out if you want to let people in, uh, I, I think that's absolutely going to be a thing.

1010
00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:53,100
I'm not going to take a stance on how I feel about the appropriateness of that.

1011
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,200
I just see that happening.

1012
00:49:55,200 --> 00:50:08,160
I see this, I see this coming down to like a Supreme court tier, like, like free, like first amendment kind of thing in the U S and then I suspect, uh, Canada is going to pull their usual.

1013
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:09,760
That's the thing where we basically just.

1014
00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:11,880
Copy what the U S does.

1015
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,140
Yeah, do whatever the U S does.

1016
00:50:13,140 --> 00:50:13,460
Yeah.

1017
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:14,080
Uh, yeah.

1018
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:19,360
We're a super cool independent country and we advance, uh, directly in step with the U S.

1019
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,420
Sometimes we ignore what they do, which is good.

1020
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,360
Um, other times we ignore what they do and it's not as good.

1021
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:24,720
Yeah.

1022
00:50:24,820 --> 00:50:28,800
Anywho, the point is that this is, I think this is headed for the Supreme court.

1023
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:38,340
Cause I think ultimately there there's going to be like, um, like a, like a personal rights argument from both sides on the one hand.

1024
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:44,880
Discriminating against someone based on their profession or their place of work seems like pretty open shut.

1025
00:50:45,120 --> 00:51:00,220
But on the other hand, to tell a venue that they are, that they do not have the right to refuse service to an individual customer on their own bloody property is also seems pretty open and shut, right?

1026
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:00,860
It's weird.

1027
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,160
There's a strong argument, both ways, strong argument.

1028
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,560
There's a lot of technological stuff coming out right now that.

1029
00:51:08,740 --> 00:51:15,920
The law is so far behind and it doesn't help that half of the legislators in the Western world are septuagenarians.

1030
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,900
As far as I can tell, no idea what's going on, no idea what's going on.

1031
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:27,400
And even the younger ones, quite frankly, could stand to be a little more tech savvy based on a lot of the C-SPAN that I've seen.

1032
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:28,020
Yep.

1033
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:28,740
Yep.

1034
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:30,160
Okay.

1035
00:51:30,220 --> 00:51:32,880
So at least one.

1036
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,180
Jake has apparently joined the show.

1037
00:51:34,180 --> 00:51:35,800
Oh no, he's not sitting in the producer cam.

1038
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:36,380
So we missed him.

1039
00:51:36,380 --> 00:51:37,200
Lean to the right Jake.

1040
00:51:39,350 --> 00:51:46,970
Apparently he's here in case the, uh, the power goes out again, things, things have gotten a little hairy this evening.

1041
00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:47,850
It's been a fun night.

1042
00:51:48,090 --> 00:51:51,570
Um, my roof caved in.

1043
00:51:51,590 --> 00:51:52,590
That's a fun thing.

1044
00:51:52,790 --> 00:52:04,070
Uh, minutes after leaving my, uh, my apartment to come to work, I got a call from my girlfriend saying that, uh, part of the ceiling had ripped through and it was raining in one of the bathrooms.

1045
00:52:04,410 --> 00:52:06,870
Um, we thought it was a.

1046
00:52:07,290 --> 00:52:09,410
Previous, uh, a leak that we had previously found.

1047
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:11,030
The house that was caused by the AC.

1048
00:52:11,210 --> 00:52:18,190
It wasn't that it was the roof of the apartment building was leaking into the attic and then ripped through our ceiling.

1049
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:19,430
So that was cool.

1050
00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:20,330
I haven't been to go.

1051
00:52:20,370 --> 00:52:22,430
I haven't been able to go help with that, but she's been doing a great job.

1052
00:52:22,430 --> 00:52:31,370
Luke had to co-host a video with me before the show today, uh, reacting to our worst videos and he should it.

1053
00:52:32,410 --> 00:52:32,710
Okay.

1054
00:52:33,370 --> 00:52:35,710
For real talking, talking from the heart here.

1055
00:52:35,710 --> 00:52:36,070
Okay.

1056
00:52:36,410 --> 00:52:38,330
I have to commend your professionalism.

1057
00:52:38,610 --> 00:52:38,890
Oh.

1058
00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:48,940
He showed up looking like an actual storm cloud, like jaw set, teeth clenched, pissed.

1059
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:53,940
We turned on the camera and he's like, this video is terrible.

1060
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:57,070
Classic Luke.

1061
00:52:57,790 --> 00:52:59,770
It helps that they were actually pretty terrible.

1062
00:53:01,690 --> 00:53:04,030
We've made some stickers over the years.

1063
00:53:05,770 --> 00:53:09,530
There's one, there's one that I had completely forgotten about.

1064
00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:09,670
Actually.

1065
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:11,290
I have no memory of it at all.

1066
00:53:11,290 --> 00:53:18,790
Hosted by Luke hosted, like clearly it's, it's something that I did and it's, it's really bad.

1067
00:53:19,050 --> 00:53:20,170
I, wow.

1068
00:53:20,190 --> 00:53:20,650
Yeah.

1069
00:53:20,770 --> 00:53:24,850
There's also a couple in there that I expected to see the, uh, the Blackberry one.

1070
00:53:24,850 --> 00:53:29,950
I like I did the, the second I heard the premise of the video, I was like, Blackberry video, Blackberry video is going to be in there.

1071
00:53:30,310 --> 00:53:31,430
Um, it's awful.

1072
00:53:31,690 --> 00:53:32,110
Oh yeah.

1073
00:53:32,110 --> 00:53:32,650
It's terrible.

1074
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:34,390
But yeah, that'll be a, that'll be a fun video.

1075
00:53:34,430 --> 00:53:36,370
I have done some stuff, you know?

1076
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:39,790
I didn't feel like as a mid twenties.

1077
00:53:39,790 --> 00:53:43,810
Something that my sense of humor was probably going to change.

1078
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,140
I felt like what I was doing and thought was funny.

1079
00:53:47,140 --> 00:53:50,060
Then I would probably still think is funny in 10 years.

1080
00:53:50,930 --> 00:53:51,770
It's not funny.

1081
00:53:51,830 --> 00:53:52,610
We'd laughed at it.

1082
00:53:52,610 --> 00:53:56,470
We did laugh, but we were laughing at me.

1083
00:53:56,510 --> 00:53:59,630
That WD video was so funny.

1084
00:54:00,010 --> 00:54:01,370
It was not funny.

1085
00:54:01,370 --> 00:54:02,710
It was cringe.

1086
00:54:02,810 --> 00:54:03,530
Yeah, I guess so.

1087
00:54:03,530 --> 00:54:08,570
It was cringe so hard that it goes all the way around back to funny.

1088
00:54:09,050 --> 00:54:09,790
There, there's a couple.

1089
00:54:09,790 --> 00:54:10,870
Comments about my birds.

1090
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:11,650
The birds are fine.

1091
00:54:12,010 --> 00:54:14,910
Um, my, my girlfriend got the birds back into cages.

1092
00:54:15,070 --> 00:54:15,810
They're covered.

1093
00:54:16,090 --> 00:54:16,710
Everything's fine.

1094
00:54:16,990 --> 00:54:19,870
Um, we did not include the hide your porn one.

1095
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:21,850
I don't even think that video was that bad.

1096
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:22,570
I think that video did.

1097
00:54:22,570 --> 00:54:22,870
Okay.

1098
00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:24,150
It might be cringy.

1099
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:25,630
Like the humor is probably terrible.

1100
00:54:25,690 --> 00:54:28,390
Oh, um, but I think that is anything we've ever done.

1101
00:54:28,410 --> 00:54:30,850
I think like performance wise, I think it did fine.

1102
00:54:31,210 --> 00:54:39,600
Um, I'll always remember the script review meeting for that because Luke wrote some cringy.

1103
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:39,960
Like I.

1104
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:47,820
It was his idea to have like, basically a lot of the shots be, you know, uh, suggestive.

1105
00:54:47,820 --> 00:54:48,120
Right.

1106
00:54:48,980 --> 00:54:51,660
And then I think that you thought, do you remember this?

1107
00:54:52,340 --> 00:54:54,900
Uh, I, I, not with full clarity.

1108
00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:58,560
I, yeah, I think that you thought I was going to come in and tone it down.

1109
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:04,740
And then I amped it up to the point where even you were kind of like, Oh, this is pretty bad.

1110
00:55:06,180 --> 00:55:07,560
It honestly sounds about right.

1111
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:07,860
Yeah.

1112
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:08,740
Yeah.

1113
00:55:09,180 --> 00:55:09,420
Yeah.

1114
00:55:09,420 --> 00:55:10,540
Two, 2.2 million.

1115
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:10,720
Yeah.

1116
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:12,460
I'm going to come in and do like the review meeting.

1117
00:55:12,460 --> 00:55:12,520
Yeah.

1118
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:12,840
I'm going to come in and do like the review meeting.

1119
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:13,340
I'm going to come in and do like the review meeting.

1120
00:55:13,340 --> 00:55:13,380
Yeah.

1121
00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:13,880
And then I'm going to be like, Oh, this is pretty good.

1122
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:14,380
And then I'm going to go in and do like the review meeting.

1123
00:55:14,380 --> 00:55:14,440
And I'm going to be like, Oh, this is pretty good.

1124
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:14,460
Yeah.

1125
00:55:14,460 --> 00:55:14,480
Um, it was pretty good from seven years ago.

1126
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:15,460
There's some real tech tips in there.

1127
00:55:15,460 --> 00:55:22,460
I mean, I don't know how relevant most of them are now that incognito mode and like just everything being shockingly easily accessible as the thing.

1128
00:55:22,580 --> 00:55:22,680
Yeah.

1129
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,900
I guess it would help it hide from you, like your parents to a certain degree, but incognito mode, isn't really enough.

1130
00:55:26,900 --> 00:55:30,580
I'm pretty sure TrueCrypt was in there, which isn't really a thing anymore.

1131
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:33,680
So, like, it's definitely a little dated, but yeah.

1132
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,680
Something like it, probably useful still.

1133
00:55:35,940 --> 00:55:37,020
Okay, back to it, though.

1134
00:55:37,420 --> 00:55:40,180
We just did three core topics.

1135
00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:42,480
Eufy, NVIDIA, facial recognition.

1136
00:55:43,220 --> 00:55:44,020
Some amount.

1137
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:45,440
I haven't told them how many.

1138
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:46,960
It could be all of them.

1139
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:48,140
It could be one.

1140
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:48,940
It could be two.

1141
00:55:49,380 --> 00:55:54,900
Some amount of them were written, massaged slightly so that it fits our format a little bit better.

1142
00:55:54,900 --> 00:56:01,460
But written with some minor edits by ChatGPT.

1143
00:56:02,540 --> 00:56:04,780
And now you need to try to identify which ones.

1144
00:56:05,020 --> 00:56:11,700
I also, because I think this is important and interesting, want to know why you think this for each one.

1145
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,420
Man, the fact that...

1146
00:56:15,420 --> 00:56:17,820
The fact that it's this tough is very interesting.

1147
00:56:18,220 --> 00:56:21,540
Okay, but the fact that a human went through and massaged it...

1148
00:56:21,540 --> 00:56:22,000
That is true.

1149
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:23,280
That is true.

1150
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:24,880
Makes it really tough.

1151
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:25,780
I don't know how much of that...

1152
00:56:25,780 --> 00:56:27,320
I don't know how much of that was done because it wasn't me.

1153
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:28,680
James prepared this.

1154
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:35,040
I do know that he said, like, many of these are, like, full sentences.

1155
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,840
Like, he mostly shaped it instead of changed it, if that makes sense.

1156
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,280
That's my understanding.

1157
00:56:40,860 --> 00:56:41,420
It's been a bit...

1158
00:56:41,420 --> 00:56:44,300
A lot has happened since I talked to James.

1159
00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:46,960
I think the Eufy one was written by ChatGPT.

1160
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:47,580
Okay.

1161
00:56:57,810 --> 00:57:01,170
That's the only one that I think for sure was written by ChatGPT.

1162
00:57:01,510 --> 00:57:03,030
So you get one point.

1163
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:05,530
You get...

1164
00:57:05,530 --> 00:57:06,050
Okay, no.

1165
00:57:06,270 --> 00:57:06,790
You get two points.

1166
00:57:06,790 --> 00:57:07,630
Hold on, hold on, hold on.

1167
00:57:09,060 --> 00:57:12,420
Okay, he hasn't explained the points, so I think I can still clarify further.

1168
00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:12,820
Yeah.

1169
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,620
I think that the NVIDIA one was written by a human.

1170
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:17,540
Okay.

1171
00:57:18,670 --> 00:57:21,590
I am not sure about the facial recognition one.

1172
00:57:24,220 --> 00:57:25,800
I don't know how to give you points anymore.

1173
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:27,580
You got one right.

1174
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:28,400
Okay.

1175
00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:29,680
You got one wrong.

1176
00:57:30,570 --> 00:57:32,670
And you got one maybe, I guess.

1177
00:57:32,790 --> 00:57:34,390
The answer to the facial recognition one...

1178
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:37,010
The facial recognition one was written by a human.

1179
00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:38,480
Both of them...

1180
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:39,920
Both of the other two are ChatGPT.

1181
00:57:40,340 --> 00:57:40,780
Shoot.

1182
00:57:41,860 --> 00:57:42,300
Wow.

1183
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:44,080
Wow.

1184
00:57:45,260 --> 00:57:45,700
Yeah.

1185
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:46,880
Yeah.

1186
00:57:47,180 --> 00:57:47,620
Wow.

1187
00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:48,540
Yeah.

1188
00:57:50,420 --> 00:57:50,860
Wow.

1189
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:51,860
Pretty crazy, eh?

1190
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:53,000
Yeah.

1191
00:57:53,900 --> 00:57:57,640
So we've talked about this privately, and I don't have this prepared.

1192
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,500
But someone made...

1193
00:58:00,500 --> 00:58:01,520
I wish...

1194
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:02,740
I wonder if I can bring it up.

1195
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:05,840
Here.

1196
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,840
I mean, just so that you guys can see what the notes look like for these, because that

1197
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:10,720
might not be...

1198
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:17,340
That might not be something that will translate perfectly for you, here's the Yuffie topic,

1199
00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:23,320
which the reason that I thought that it was ChatGPT was because it was far less editorialized

1200
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,400
than some of our writers tend to...

1201
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:31,040
There's also things like, in a blog post addressed to Yuffie security customers and partners,

1202
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,100
bubble anchor, all of it's properly capitalized.

1203
00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:34,100
Yeah.

1204
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:37,580
There's a few things that can make it stand out slightly.

1205
00:58:37,580 --> 00:58:38,960
This one, though?

1206
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,060
The fact that it...

1207
00:58:40,060 --> 00:58:41,260
Yeah.

1208
00:58:41,260 --> 00:58:45,640
The fact that it really talked about what's going on around this.

1209
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,760
So I will add some context.

1210
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,480
It wasn't done...

1211
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,720
And some people on the stream will know this, and I think you'll know this.

1212
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,920
It wasn't done by just saying like, hey, summarize this link, because it can't...

1213
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:56,920
No, you can't do that.

1214
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:57,920
It can't crawl the web.

1215
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:04,080
So information was given to it, talking points were given to it, and then it turned them

1216
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,080
into whatever.

1217
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:06,080
Still.

1218
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,080
So we gave it notes.

1219
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:08,080
Still.

1220
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,080
Yeah.

1221
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,480
And then James gave it, I think it was like five or six links.

1222
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:18,040
It gave it the links and a five word blurb for each link.

1223
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,620
That was the NVIDIA one, actually.

1224
00:59:21,620 --> 00:59:22,780
I wonder if I have a screenshot.

1225
00:59:22,780 --> 00:59:24,560
I don't know if I'd be able to find it.

1226
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,900
It's in my team, so I wouldn't be able to show it very effectively on stream.

1227
00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:30,080
But just very little information.

1228
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:34,440
But from information that is naturally in the URL of something that isn't obfuscated,

1229
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,440
and the little tiny three to five word little snippet of each post.

1230
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:39,440
Yeah.

1231
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,940
So James wrote this NVIDIA article.

1232
00:59:40,940 --> 00:59:41,940
Wow.

1233
00:59:41,940 --> 00:59:42,940
Which is pretty good.

1234
00:59:42,940 --> 00:59:43,940
Wow.

1235
00:59:43,940 --> 00:59:46,720
It was 100% enough for us to go off of.

1236
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,520
Super, super interesting.

1237
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:57,730
I was talking to Linus the other day about, oh, this is not even the one that I found.

1238
00:59:57,730 --> 00:59:59,530
I Googled it and I found a different one.

1239
00:59:59,530 --> 01:00:02,170
So more than one person has done this, which is interesting.

1240
01:00:02,170 --> 01:00:03,510
Should I go to your laptop?

1241
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:04,510
I guess.

1242
01:00:04,510 --> 01:00:05,510
I think this is what...

1243
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:08,150
Yeah, you can go to it.

1244
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:09,530
So this is, I don't know, every.tv.

1245
01:00:09,530 --> 01:00:10,530
Yeah.

1246
01:00:10,650 --> 01:00:11,890
I've never heard of this before.

1247
01:00:11,890 --> 01:00:16,170
I built an AI chatbot based on my favorite podcast.

1248
01:00:16,170 --> 01:00:19,150
This is a different person though than the one that I linked to you.

1249
01:00:19,150 --> 01:00:20,150
Yeah.

1250
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:22,410
And it's not the exact same thing, but it's extremely close.

1251
01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:24,850
This one looks like a command line thing, whatever, I don't know.

1252
01:00:24,850 --> 01:00:27,670
So the one that I had found, it's an actual website that you can go to.

1253
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:30,930
These are both based off of the Huberman Lab podcast.

1254
01:00:30,930 --> 01:00:34,610
But people have taken, I'm assuming, I have not read this article.

1255
01:00:34,610 --> 01:00:37,410
The other one, I know this is how this works, and I'm assuming this person did it in the

1256
01:00:37,410 --> 01:00:38,510
same way.

1257
01:00:38,510 --> 01:00:40,250
They use a different open AI product.

1258
01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:40,930
Yeah.

1259
01:00:40,930 --> 01:00:47,190
So they fed all of Dr. Huberman's podcasts through Whisper, which is another open AI

1260
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:50,810
product, which transcribes audio to text.

1261
01:00:50,810 --> 01:00:57,170
And then they fed all of the text into GPT-3, and then they made it so that you can ask

1262
01:00:57,170 --> 01:01:03,570
the chatbot effectively questions about what Dr. Huberman says in his podcasts.

1263
01:01:03,570 --> 01:01:08,750
And it will go through all of the transcripts of all of these three hour long, super dense

1264
01:01:08,750 --> 01:01:09,750
podcasts.

1265
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:11,330
And it will pull answers out for you.

1266
01:01:11,330 --> 01:01:15,190
The other one will also cite its references.

1267
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:20,730
So it'll say like, I got this from this podcast at this minute, and you can click on it, it'll

1268
01:01:20,730 --> 01:01:24,750
bring up the podcast at that timestamp so you can listen to the original audio just

1269
01:01:24,750 --> 01:01:27,510
in case you don't trust the transcription.

1270
01:01:27,510 --> 01:01:31,690
This is super interesting for like a bunch of reasons.

1271
01:01:31,690 --> 01:01:34,430
This is terrifying for content creators.

1272
01:01:34,430 --> 01:01:35,430
Podcast industry.

1273
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:36,430
Yeah.

1274
01:01:36,430 --> 01:01:38,430
Especially if you are a very information dense podcast.

1275
01:01:38,430 --> 01:01:39,430
Yeah.

1276
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:44,830
Like the Huberman Lab podcast, because now people don't have to listen to your content

1277
01:01:44,830 --> 01:01:46,110
or consume it at all.

1278
01:01:46,110 --> 01:01:51,710
These random people on the internet just made a way completely detached from your content

1279
01:01:51,710 --> 01:01:54,990
that you have absolutely no way of being paid for.

1280
01:01:54,990 --> 01:01:55,990
Nope.

1281
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:59,350
And they made a way for people to completely bypass all of your stuff.

1282
01:01:59,350 --> 01:02:03,210
It's super helpful for users that want to pull information out of it.

1283
01:02:03,210 --> 01:02:09,230
It's super not helpful for you being able to grow your, your, your, your channel or

1284
01:02:09,230 --> 01:02:12,150
your audience or continue to do your podcast, continue to do it at all, really.

1285
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:18,070
So from a copyright standpoint though, man, see how do you control it?

1286
01:02:18,070 --> 01:02:20,270
I mean, it's just like the artist thing, right?

1287
01:02:20,270 --> 01:02:25,470
So there's nothing inherently wrong with AI generated or machine learning generated artwork.

1288
01:02:25,470 --> 01:02:26,470
Yeah.

1289
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:31,590
The issue is how it was trained and proper compensation for the dataset that it was trained

1290
01:02:31,590 --> 01:02:32,590
on.

1291
01:02:32,590 --> 01:02:35,430
And Luke talked about this extensively enough in last week and the week before that I don't

1292
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:37,230
think we need to tread over it again this week.

1293
01:02:37,230 --> 01:02:38,230
Yeah.

1294
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:39,230
Yeah.

1295
01:02:39,230 --> 01:02:44,810
There's no problem with a bot that compiles answers to questions as long as it is properly

1296
01:02:44,810 --> 01:02:49,490
compensating whoever's original work was used to train it.

1297
01:02:49,490 --> 01:02:55,170
But as of this time, that's not being done and there is no framework whatsoever for that

1298
01:02:55,170 --> 01:02:56,390
to be done.

1299
01:02:56,390 --> 01:03:02,350
So for the same reason that artists are crying foul about their artwork being used to train

1300
01:03:02,350 --> 01:03:09,230
their machine replacement, uh, I could see a podcaster crying foul about their bot.

1301
01:03:09,230 --> 01:03:10,230
Yeah.

1302
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:12,310
They're just trying to make use of their body of work, their body of copyrighted work being

1303
01:03:12,310 --> 01:03:16,870
used to create a tool that irrelevance their copyrighted work.

1304
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:20,550
And I don't think you're gonna be able to make a very solid, fair use argument for something

1305
01:03:20,550 --> 01:03:27,760
like this because yes, for personal use, you could probably make the argument that there

1306
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:34,340
is nothing wrong with watching all of the episodes.

1307
01:03:34,340 --> 01:03:40,120
Therefore having all of the words for yourself and making those where it's creating an index,

1308
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:47,800
of those words and a way to recall various words in some way, right? But as soon as you make it

1309
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:52,960
more broadly available, especially commercially available, that falls apart. To be fair,

1310
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:58,310
all the ones that I've seen so far have not been commercially driven. One interesting one,

1311
01:03:58,350 --> 01:04:02,230
the first one that I found, and I don't know why I can't find it right now. I'm sure I could if I

1312
01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:07,110
use my Google Foo a little bit more effectively. But the first one that I found, the whole thing

1313
01:04:07,110 --> 01:04:11,470
is open source too. You put it all in GitHub. And the fact that multiple people have done this

1314
01:04:11,470 --> 01:04:17,340
already, proof that it's not really that hard. The person that I had looked into originally said

1315
01:04:17,340 --> 01:04:23,830
it took them less than a day. The process is all kind of already there. You're just sort of linking

1316
01:04:23,830 --> 01:04:29,230
things together, right? We've got a couple interesting viewer comments here. So Eric

1317
01:04:29,230 --> 01:04:35,130
RC on Floatplane says, Linus, I disagree. I don't believe most people listen to podcasts

1318
01:04:35,130 --> 01:04:37,490
just for answers. There's a definite entertainment value.

1319
01:04:37,830 --> 01:04:41,450
But this is just like what I was talking about earlier, where just because you don't need to

1320
01:04:41,450 --> 01:04:49,390
put your laptop to sleep doesn't mean that I don't. So yeah, this podcast, I don't think anyone

1321
01:04:49,390 --> 01:04:56,300
necessarily would. No one needs to search this for information. Or it's unlikely, but someone

1322
01:04:56,300 --> 01:05:00,280
could. Yeah, because we're going to be a secondary source a lot of the time, unless you're looking

1323
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:05,500
for information about my life or Luke's life or whatever else the case may be. And if that's the

1324
01:05:05,500 --> 01:05:07,700
case, probably it would be...

1325
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:12,040
It would be more interesting to hear it as told by us anyway. I think The WAN Show is a more

1326
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:18,240
entertainment show anyhow. And I'm not saying that because there's some kind of like liability,

1327
01:05:18,540 --> 01:05:21,260
oh, advice on The WAN Show should be taken for entertainment purposes only. It's just,

1328
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:26,960
I do think that that's the show that we try to run for you guys. But that doesn't mean that

1329
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:31,460
every podcast is like that. Some of them are very Q&A driven, very information driven.

1330
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,580
And Hubermans are extremely information driven. There are also lots...

1331
01:05:34,580 --> 01:05:35,460
And not that entertaining.

1332
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:37,080
There are also lots of...

1333
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:37,700
I don't know about that one. But...

1334
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:41,760
Sure. But there is a lot. You're right, though. There is a lot of educational or

1335
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:45,920
informational based podcasts. There's tons of science based podcasts. There's tons of

1336
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,800
even like...

1337
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,460
It's more about keeping up with the industry.

1338
01:05:49,700 --> 01:05:49,920
Yes.

1339
01:05:49,940 --> 01:05:51,240
And less about being entertained.

1340
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:51,700
Yes.

1341
01:05:51,820 --> 01:05:51,980
Right?

1342
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:52,360
Yeah.

1343
01:05:52,780 --> 01:05:53,760
And so...

1344
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,980
Or like, imagine there's a self-help podcast.

1345
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:56,680
Sure.

1346
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:02,180
You might look for answers to somewhat common self-help questions by using this thing.

1347
01:06:02,180 --> 01:06:07,160
Whatever it is, there are lots of not just like storytelling entertainment style.

1348
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:07,540
Yes.

1349
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:07,940
Things.

1350
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,240
And so that's a big challenge.

1351
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:16,180
And an ethereal llama says, isn't this part of the territory when you post free content on the internet, though?

1352
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:17,480
No.

1353
01:06:17,620 --> 01:06:17,800
No.

1354
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:19,320
The content isn't free.

1355
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:23,480
We've talked about this before and some people are never going to understand it.

1356
01:06:23,580 --> 01:06:25,800
But that's really just not my problem at a certain point.

1357
01:06:26,180 --> 01:06:27,580
The content isn't free.

1358
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:32,620
There is an implicit agreement that the content is going to be supported in some way.

1359
01:06:32,620 --> 01:06:33,700
Otherwise, it won't exist.

1360
01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:37,620
Otherwise, it would explicitly be said that it is free.

1361
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,120
Linus Tech Tips is not free.

1362
01:06:40,620 --> 01:06:48,800
Linus Tech Tips is paid for by actual money, which we get from ads or from subscriptions.

1363
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:56,060
And it is possible that something is free, but that also does not mean that its license allows you to do this with it.

1364
01:06:56,220 --> 01:06:56,600
Correct.

1365
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:01,220
There is a ton of different levels of variation when it comes to licensing.

1366
01:07:01,460 --> 01:07:07,160
And you could absolutely release a podcast with a license where you allow people to do this.

1367
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:07,400
Right.

1368
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:08,200
Absolutely.

1369
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:09,920
There's nothing stopping you from doing that.

1370
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:14,240
You could say everything that I say into this podcast is free for everyone to use in any way.

1371
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,240
And no, I did not just say that about WAN Show.

1372
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:21,880
But you could say that, but I do not believe that has been said by these people.

1373
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:33,800
But what I was going to say is a dangerous intrusive thought that comes up when I've already heard about this thing where they're taking podcasts and they're transcribing them and stuff.

1374
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,100
And I'm not going to go into that.

1375
01:07:35,100 --> 01:07:35,920
I'm not going to go into that.

1376
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:36,880
I'm not going to go into that.

1377
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:37,740
It's false.

1378
01:07:37,740 --> 01:07:40,420
I mean, they can't do this to them and stuff.

1379
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:49,150
What stops people from setting up an RSS feed of trusted news sites?

1380
01:07:49,710 --> 01:08:07,210
Setting up a bot that is able to scrape the body of an article without grabbing all the ads and the other junk that's on the page, taking all of that, feeding it to chatGPT, getting chatGPT to rewrite it, and then getting another system that they make to automatically post these.

1381
01:08:07,450 --> 01:08:07,570
Actually,

1382
01:08:07,570 --> 01:08:13,000
is pretty good at it genuinely rewritten articles and then they put their own ads on and then they

1383
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:19,940
just put their own monetizing someone else's work yep it's all automated yep like and so

1384
01:08:19,940 --> 01:08:27,440
you know what it's not going to completely destroy industries in a day no maybe not even in a year

1385
01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:36,560
give it 10 years i mean even three yeah it's it's gonna be going a very that is already an entire

1386
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:43,120
news industry yeah but it's usually junk and if you're like paying attention pretty much at all

1387
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:48,230
you can usually kind of tell no you can a lot of people can't fair enough which is why we're

1388
01:08:48,230 --> 01:08:53,790
but this this moves that bar up quite a bit yeah people have found a few different accounts because

1389
01:08:53,790 --> 01:08:57,830
you can kind of prod them in the right way that people have found a few different twitter accounts

1390
01:08:57,830 --> 01:09:05,290
that are using ai generated faces as their profile that look extremely convincing like you can't tell

1391
01:09:05,290 --> 01:09:06,610
especially at that size

1392
01:09:06,610 --> 01:09:13,930
at that resolution it you really can't tell yeah um and then they have fully chat gpt written tweets

1393
01:09:13,930 --> 01:09:21,020
and replies the whole account and the ones that i have kind of found with with advice from other

1394
01:09:21,020 --> 01:09:26,940
people and how to find them etc etc etc um all of the ones that i've found it looks like people are

1395
01:09:26,940 --> 01:09:34,400
just experimenting i don't think they're really using them to any goal yet yep but yeah it's gonna

1396
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,400
happen yeah we're headed in an interesting direction

1397
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:36,680
and

1398
01:09:36,700 --> 01:09:41,760
it's hard to find out uh laro does says what about content creators doing this themselves

1399
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:48,060
to search their podcasts i mean yeah we could sure but what i can tell you is that right now

1400
01:09:48,060 --> 01:09:57,170
there is no like zero effective way to monetize something like this and pretty much any podcast

1401
01:09:57,170 --> 01:10:03,550
that you know and love if it has any kind of monetization on it now if you were to say to

1402
01:10:03,550 --> 01:10:07,130
the creator hey uh why don't you use this tool where people don't use it to monetize something

1403
01:10:07,150 --> 01:10:13,010
don't have to watch the podcast you monetize and they can just get all the information that they need

1404
01:10:13,010 --> 01:10:20,010
without watching it and you monetizing it why don't you do that they're gonna be like why some

1405
01:10:20,010 --> 01:10:25,530
some that like they really don't care about their podcasts as a career path or whatever and they

1406
01:10:25,530 --> 01:10:30,770
just want the information absolutely sure and again i did specify ones that are currently monetized

1407
01:10:30,770 --> 01:10:36,290
okay yeah there you go yeah yeah pretty much um and kai m says i mean ad block is a thing what's

1408
01:10:36,290 --> 01:10:42,450
your take on how this is different to that it's not what his take is on that is pretty documented

1409
01:10:42,450 --> 01:10:47,410
yes i think i think i've been pretty clear about it uh the part that people got confused about

1410
01:10:47,410 --> 01:10:54,370
is i never actually said never use an ad blocker what i said is own it yeah just own it yeah

1411
01:10:54,370 --> 01:11:01,620
understand put on your hat yeah wear your shirt yeah we've even sold a shirt yeah i like it just

1412
01:11:01,620 --> 01:11:06,180
own it it's a nice shirt that's all i said just just just deal with it and if you have like if

1413
01:11:06,180 --> 01:11:11,330
you feel all guilty about the word then maybe that's something then you should do some self

1414
01:11:11,330 --> 01:11:26,790
reflection yeah but yeah otherwise then just yeah just just own it yeah exactly um adfa kls djf

1415
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:33,430
uh over on Floatplane says i bought two shirts yeah you didn't i don't think yeah we

1416
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:36,550
very understandably i yeah i will

1417
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:43,510
say but i don't think we have been doing uh merch message curation at all oh yeah we shoot

1418
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:49,700
kate um where's Dan uh is Dan still here i don't know

1419
01:11:52,180 --> 01:11:58,500
i'm looking through them right now uh okay uh yeah well hey we've actually got an update on

1420
01:11:58,500 --> 01:12:03,780
LTT Store speaking of ways that we will still be able to survive because we are a mature well

1421
01:12:03,780 --> 01:12:06,580
diversified company i don't mean mature like we don't make fart

1422
01:12:06,660 --> 01:12:13,540
drugs jokes jokes um i mean mature like we have developed a lot of revenue streams to help us

1423
01:12:13,540 --> 01:12:19,380
whether uh you know whatever ai storms are headed this way LTT Store is a huge one uh i think i said

1424
01:12:19,380 --> 01:12:25,540
this before but 2022 is the year that LTT Store's revenue will be greater than our media production

1425
01:12:25,540 --> 01:12:30,580
revenue uh massive shout out to all of you guys for absolutely for making this possible massive

1426
01:12:30,580 --> 01:12:36,180
shout out to the team responsible for it uh nick kyle bridget sarah lloyd oh my goodness i'm gonna

1427
01:12:36,660 --> 01:12:41,300
give you a shout out to all the people it's gonna be really awful uh you know natalie uh adam nolan

1428
01:12:41,300 --> 01:12:44,900
uh there's some new people in customer care i don't know their name yet so i'm not gonna include them

1429
01:12:44,900 --> 01:12:52,900
but you know we got hannah matthew alama day uh the team there is conrad amazing thank you uh

1430
01:12:52,900 --> 01:12:58,340
massive massive shout out to the Floatplane team for making that whole thing happen like it's been

1431
01:12:58,340 --> 01:13:05,860
it's been a long time coming but it means that our future as an independent media company is basically

1432
01:13:06,660 --> 01:13:10,820
a solid foundation for us as a community we've been really proud of our support for you guys

1433
01:13:10,820 --> 01:13:15,220
as we've been really proud of our support for you guys i'd love to see you guys getting back on the

1434
01:13:15,220 --> 01:13:20,580
road and doing great stuff so keep that in mind as long as you guys continue to support us in that

1435
01:13:20,580 --> 01:13:26,900
way uh we've got a deal for you guys this week uh where is it oh wait this just says lttstore.com

1436
01:13:26,900 --> 01:13:31,140
deal of the week question mark i thought we did have something to talk about this week oh

1437
01:13:31,140 --> 01:13:36,500
we have something i didn't talk about last week if nothing else um yeah is that still running we

1438
01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:42,520
can find some hints in the uh in the reviews that that are up we ran this as a promo during the

1439
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:48,140
black friday's uh period it's yeah that's not the pricing that we're going to be doing for it in the

1440
01:13:48,140 --> 01:13:53,720
long term it's going to be 50 bucks but we've got everything from small to triple xl and you guys

1441
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:59,820
can check it out mystery hoodie sales are final we do not offer returns or exchanges but it is a

1442
01:13:59,820 --> 01:14:06,660
way to get yourself into an LTT hoodie for a pretty aggressive price uh we're also shipping

1443
01:14:06,660 --> 01:14:11,760
backpacks in real time now they're not backordered in any way uh what else is there that i could

1444
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:16,320
really say about the store right now i mean yeah i guess that's i guess that's probably that's

1445
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:21,540
probably enough um all right and uh picking something up on the store is the way to send

1446
01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:24,940
a message into the show they're called merch messages and they're better than super chats

1447
01:14:24,940 --> 01:14:29,200
better than twitch bits because all the money you spend will go into something that you actually get

1448
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:30,020
to keep and use

1449
01:14:30,020 --> 01:14:36,480
and enjoy instead of lining the pockets of big tech that's our that's our sales pitch and uh

1450
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:43,100
if youtube and twitch and facebook uh operated the same way as twitter i probably wouldn't be

1451
01:14:43,100 --> 01:14:52,550
allowed to say that but hey we never live streamed on twitter so yeah whatever deal with it oh we

1452
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:58,030
figured out afterwards you can't periscope's dead right spaces is not the same thing so we couldn't

1453
01:14:58,030 --> 01:15:00,370
yeah yep uh

1454
01:15:00,790 --> 01:15:07,250
uh all right uh i guess we should do a couple have you i have curated some i'm working on going

1455
01:15:07,250 --> 01:15:11,070
through the incoming dance not here so i'm gonna go ahead and uh go through a couple of our curated

1456
01:15:11,070 --> 01:15:15,760
ones and we'll get back to some more topics here should i talk about the big thing that happened

1457
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:23,590
this year like the really big one the one where we convened like uh a council of people to talk

1458
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:31,890
about it it's it's past the nda date for it so i could talk about it like the first one the the

1459
01:15:32,010 --> 01:15:38,230
really big event that the really big maybe the really big event that we talked about and ultimately

1460
01:15:38,230 --> 01:15:46,340
decided not to to do no the second event then should we talk about the second big event i'll

1461
01:15:46,340 --> 01:15:50,480
let you think about it while i go through a couple of messages i don't think so i mean i think it

1462
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:58,160
might be interesting for the people to have some idea it's also the kind of thing that if i worked

1463
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:02,660
here i probably wouldn't want to hear about it on the WAN Show yeah but i mean are they used to it

1464
01:16:02,660 --> 01:16:05,580
at this point maybe i mean they are but that doesn't mean it's a good thing

1465
01:16:05,780 --> 01:16:16,500
um atomic age a silver on Floatplane says do it cowards i mean i would say the same thing

1466
01:16:16,500 --> 01:16:23,460
if i was in the audience um i do think you should probably discuss this with other internal people

1467
01:16:23,460 --> 01:16:28,460
before we do though james ryan says do you have a recommendation for messaging into the show for

1468
01:16:28,460 --> 01:16:32,900
people who might not want to have a physical object show up uh buy a gift card on LTT Store

1469
01:16:32,900 --> 01:16:37,140
and then just never spend it i guess or spend it eventually or gift

1470
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:42,340
it it's a gift card yeah give it to someone else it's a gift card yeah at least that way you're not

1471
01:16:42,340 --> 01:16:49,120
throwing away any money yeah right yep don't throw away money because like what's the overhead on

1472
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:57,260
like uh on a super chat like 30 40 something like that yeah why are you doing that yeah all right

1473
01:16:57,260 --> 01:17:01,660
uh anonymous says hey guys wanting to get into it soon and with the technical difficulties

1474
01:17:01,660 --> 01:17:06,520
experienced tonight i was wondering how help desk issues are solved at LMG is there an official

1475
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:08,580
ticketing system or just grab the nearest

1476
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:16,340
Linus uh there's no official ticketing system so you would first go to logistics uh with Dan being

1477
01:17:16,340 --> 01:17:21,460
your main point of contact for that sort of thing and then if he's not around i believe there's

1478
01:17:21,460 --> 01:17:26,980
someone else who is like can kind of be helpful and then it's going to fall to Jake we actually

1479
01:17:26,980 --> 01:17:34,360
have some documentation for catastrophic failures that luke and Jake have been working together on

1480
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:38,440
so that you'll be you'll have some some docs that you can go to they're not really

1481
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:43,260
intended for the average user they're intended for more like a me or an Anthony to look at or or

1482
01:17:43,260 --> 01:17:49,140
even people that work on it all the time it's it's mostly a like everything around you is on fire and

1483
01:17:49,140 --> 01:17:54,380
everyone's panicking let me go back to this thing so i don't actually have to think about it so i

1484
01:17:54,380 --> 01:17:59,240
can put my mental power elsewhere and just follow these steps and get everything back online as soon

1485
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:03,500
as possible it also like organizes all the information that you need does stuff like that

1486
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:07,280
it's a good idea to have disaster recovery procedures it's something that i think we could

1487
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:08,900
do better but it's something that

1488
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:15,440
also is working reasonably well for us um i think that because we are a company of relatively tech

1489
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:22,480
savvy people we probably have a lot fewer i can't figure out how to open my email client

1490
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:27,040
my computer won't turn on oh it's not plugged in yeah then many companies would so it hasn't

1491
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:32,560
overloaded those guys yet but as we expand into more say for example like physical goods

1492
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:36,960
manufacturing where we can't expect people to have a high level of technical proficiency like maybe

1493
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:38,640
they're a wizard with a sewing machine

1494
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:44,040
but you know a computer what's a compute right i i don't i don't know then we might have to deal

1495
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:50,620
with more of that and it might be something that we'll have to address um kevin m can you test

1496
01:18:50,620 --> 01:18:56,700
whether lifting a laptop by its palm rest causes a mouse click to register i frequently carry around

1497
01:18:56,700 --> 01:19:00,620
my laptop while watching full screen videos and it's frustrating having them pause all the time

1498
01:19:00,620 --> 01:19:05,420
both my xps 15 and my lg gram do this so i curated this i thought it was actually kind

1499
01:19:05,420 --> 01:19:09,740
of an interesting question because i have experienced this before me too so like maybe

1500
01:19:09,820 --> 01:19:14,460
something interesting for the Labs to consider if they start getting into laptop testing it could

1501
01:19:14,460 --> 01:19:20,860
even be like a mostly pass fail like if by lifting it at any point in these sort of designated areas

1502
01:19:20,860 --> 01:19:27,500
it causes a mouse click to register um then fail kind of thing yeah yeah it's an interesting

1503
01:19:27,500 --> 01:19:32,060
interesting idea all right i'm going to submit that to gary

1504
01:19:33,220 --> 01:19:36,740
uh you might have to do the next one because i'm typing an email okay i'm actually going

1505
01:19:36,740 --> 01:19:40,660
to do one that isn't curated yet but i was just going to curate it uh so this is from colin r he

1506
01:19:41,060 --> 01:19:46,100
asks what what are your thoughts on the potential of ai generated video game assets do you think

1507
01:19:46,100 --> 01:19:54,790
that oh i found it again do you think that engines like unity or unreal engine will develop tools for

1508
01:19:54,790 --> 01:20:01,110
easy integration of ai generated assets in the workflow uh i think they are absolutely going to

1509
01:20:01,110 --> 01:20:06,470
be a thing i would highly suspect that both of those engines will eventually find some form of

1510
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:11,990
integration uh including the potentiality of that integration just being a tool that is built into

1511
01:20:12,630 --> 01:20:20,150
i have already seen examples of people using chat gpt input prompts into something i don't remember

1512
01:20:20,150 --> 01:20:26,870
what it was it was some ai art program thingamajigger and it was making texture maps

1513
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:33,430
for models that they made in 3d yeah um i saw that too like cad software so they were modeling

1514
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:38,070
like buildings and or they were texturing like buildings and stuff some of them were

1515
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:42,470
surprisingly good does it look perfect no no

1516
01:20:42,630 --> 01:20:44,810
But I've seen games that were worse.

1517
01:20:44,810 --> 01:20:46,610
I've seen finished games that were a lot worse.

1518
01:20:46,610 --> 01:20:48,390
Relatively modern ones too.

1519
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:53,580
Like, yeah, it's 100% gonna be a thing for sure.

1520
01:20:53,580 --> 01:20:54,680
Stable diffusion, was that it?

1521
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,220
Yeah, I think a bunch of people saw this.

1522
01:20:56,220 --> 01:20:59,370
It was relatively trendy, so yeah.

1523
01:20:59,370 --> 01:21:00,910
Absolutely wild.

1524
01:21:00,910 --> 01:21:02,630
All right, you guys have got some more time

1525
01:21:02,630 --> 01:21:05,030
to send in some merch messages.

1526
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:06,230
The producer's back.

1527
01:21:06,230 --> 01:21:07,710
Sup, Dan?

1528
01:21:07,710 --> 01:21:08,550
Hello.

1529
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:13,550
How are, how are the, yeah.

1530
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:16,430
Look at him.

1531
01:21:18,430 --> 01:21:19,630
Yeah.

1532
01:21:19,630 --> 01:21:21,750
Dan, you've seen better days, my friend.

1533
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:23,870
I live for this stuff, don't you worry.

1534
01:21:23,870 --> 01:21:25,290
Yeah, hell yeah.

1535
01:21:25,290 --> 01:21:26,130
Oh yeah.

1536
01:21:26,130 --> 01:21:26,970
Let's go.

1537
01:21:26,970 --> 01:21:29,950
This has been an absolute poo show today.

1538
01:21:29,950 --> 01:21:31,330
To be fair, this is good stuff.

1539
01:21:31,330 --> 01:21:33,990
Yeah, we appreciate you guys sticking with us

1540
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:35,450
through the technical difficulties.

1541
01:21:35,450 --> 01:21:38,230
For once, it wasn't our fault at all.

1542
01:21:38,230 --> 01:21:38,510
And I think-

1543
01:21:38,510 --> 01:21:39,950
I think the response to it was pretty good.

1544
01:21:39,950 --> 01:21:41,870
We, you know what?

1545
01:21:41,870 --> 01:21:42,710
If it hadn't been-

1546
01:21:42,710 --> 01:21:43,550
Was it flawless?

1547
01:21:43,550 --> 01:21:47,550
If it hadn't been for a thing that I can't really disclose

1548
01:21:47,550 --> 01:21:50,790
that is special about the WAN Show setup,

1549
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:52,210
I don't think our,

1550
01:21:52,210 --> 01:21:53,910
I don't think our stream would have even stopped.

1551
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:55,030
Wouldn't even have coughed, no.

1552
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:56,890
It was just that, that was the only problem.

1553
01:21:56,890 --> 01:21:58,810
And we will have that addressed for next time.

1554
01:21:58,810 --> 01:22:01,050
It was just one of those things we just didn't,

1555
01:22:01,050 --> 01:22:03,890
we didn't think about that the WAN Show

1556
01:22:03,890 --> 01:22:06,010
will need to continue through a power outage.

1557
01:22:06,010 --> 01:22:07,430
Like, we are set up so that, in the end,

1558
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:08,270
we're gonna be able to do it.

1559
01:22:08,270 --> 01:22:10,510
In the event of a long-term power outage,

1560
01:22:10,510 --> 01:22:11,650
we can at least finish,

1561
01:22:11,650 --> 01:22:14,270
we can have one editor finish today's video.

1562
01:22:14,270 --> 01:22:18,100
That's kind of the, that's the bar, right?

1563
01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:20,140
And everyone else can shut down their work,

1564
01:22:20,140 --> 01:22:22,940
or shut down their computers and save their work safely.

1565
01:22:24,570 --> 01:22:29,590
But now that we know that we could do this,

1566
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:32,870
I'm thinking daisy chain jacqueries.

1567
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:34,750
I'm thinking backup batteries

1568
01:22:34,750 --> 01:22:36,910
on all the key pieces of infrastructure.

1569
01:22:36,910 --> 01:22:39,450
Let's go, power off WAN Show.

1570
01:22:40,290 --> 01:22:42,490
Yeah, we can do about three and a half hours.

1571
01:22:42,490 --> 01:22:43,330
Yeah.

1572
01:22:43,330 --> 01:22:47,530
Which is, I mean, a lot of WAN shows get pretty close

1573
01:22:47,530 --> 01:22:48,370
to that these days.

1574
01:22:48,370 --> 01:22:49,210
Yeah, but not longer.

1575
01:22:49,210 --> 01:22:50,450
But they don't go past that, yeah.

1576
01:22:50,450 --> 01:22:52,250
Yeah, oh, I'm excited.

1577
01:22:52,250 --> 01:22:53,830
I'm excited, this is great.

1578
01:22:54,710 --> 01:22:57,840
All right, what else do we got today?

1579
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:02,330
Apple to allow third-party app stores and sideloading

1580
01:23:02,330 --> 01:23:03,630
in Europe due to Digital Markets Act.

1581
01:23:03,630 --> 01:23:06,290
We talked about this a little bit last week,

1582
01:23:06,290 --> 01:23:07,950
but it hadn't been fleshed out in the doc

1583
01:23:07,950 --> 01:23:09,910
because of a miscommunication, so we're gonna get into it

1584
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:10,670
in a little bit more detail.

1585
01:23:10,670 --> 01:23:11,970
One really quick thing.

1586
01:23:11,970 --> 01:23:13,670
Dan, are you on Merch Messages now?

1587
01:23:13,670 --> 01:23:14,830
I'm trying my best.

1588
01:23:14,830 --> 01:23:15,670
Got it.

1589
01:23:15,670 --> 01:23:17,050
If you guys can help, that'd be great.

1590
01:23:17,050 --> 01:23:17,870
Okay.

1591
01:23:17,870 --> 01:23:19,870
Apple has signaled that it will abide

1592
01:23:19,870 --> 01:23:21,870
the EU's Digital Markets Act

1593
01:23:21,870 --> 01:23:26,870
and allow third-party app stores and sideloading on iDevices.

1594
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:30,010
This is exciting.

1595
01:23:30,010 --> 01:23:33,330
The DMA is intended to prevent abuse of market power

1596
01:23:33,330 --> 01:23:35,550
and allow new players to enter digital markets,

1597
01:23:35,550 --> 01:23:40,170
basically leveling the playing field against big tech.

1598
01:23:40,170 --> 01:23:42,170
It was signed into law in September,

1599
01:23:42,170 --> 01:23:43,930
came into effect in November,

1600
01:23:43,930 --> 01:23:46,470
and active enforcement will begin in May.

1601
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:49,170
That is a fast timeline for such a...

1602
01:23:49,170 --> 01:23:50,170
That is a very fast timeline.

1603
01:23:50,170 --> 01:23:52,970
Such an earth-shaking change to the way

1604
01:23:52,970 --> 01:23:56,210
that these digital markets have worked up until now.

1605
01:23:56,210 --> 01:23:59,470
Apple's objections to date have been numerous.

1606
01:23:59,470 --> 01:24:01,790
It will be confusing for users.

1607
01:24:01,790 --> 01:24:04,410
It will be a gold rush for the malware industry

1608
01:24:04,410 --> 01:24:06,930
and a cyber criminal's best friend.

1609
01:24:06,930 --> 01:24:09,370
This would destroy the security of the iPhone.

1610
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,360
I'll be very interested to see if Apple's marketing

1611
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:16,140
around the security of the iPhone changes.

1612
01:24:16,140 --> 01:24:19,000
I'm willing to bet they don't say the iPhone is not secure.

1613
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:19,840
Yeah.

1614
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:20,680
Hmm.

1615
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,640
So maybe they can overcome this after all.

1616
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:24,500
Oh, interesting.

1617
01:24:24,500 --> 01:24:27,060
And they said Android experiences

1618
01:24:27,060 --> 01:24:29,790
five million attacks per month.

1619
01:24:29,790 --> 01:24:30,730
Okay.

1620
01:24:30,730 --> 01:24:31,990
Yeah.

1621
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:33,110
And?

1622
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:34,030
How many do they?

1623
01:24:34,030 --> 01:24:34,870
Yeah.

1624
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:37,830
Incidentally, the news triggered a stock surge

1625
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:40,290
for dating services and apps.

1626
01:24:40,290 --> 01:24:41,130
Oh, wow.

1627
01:24:41,130 --> 01:24:42,910
You'll finally be able to have like, say for example,

1628
01:24:42,910 --> 01:24:45,290
a pornography app on the app store.

1629
01:24:45,290 --> 01:24:46,130
Yeah.

1630
01:24:46,130 --> 01:24:49,530
Like Apple has long taken a moral high ground

1631
01:24:49,530 --> 01:24:50,950
against certain types of content.

1632
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:52,090
Interesting.

1633
01:24:52,090 --> 01:24:57,190
Well, unless it's in Safari web browser,

1634
01:24:57,190 --> 01:24:59,630
nobody can use Apple software and hardware

1635
01:24:59,630 --> 01:25:02,980
to view such things.

1636
01:25:02,980 --> 01:25:04,180
Get real, guys.

1637
01:25:05,890 --> 01:25:09,130
While this is broadly seen as a victory for consumers,

1638
01:25:09,130 --> 01:25:11,350
some are less sure.

1639
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:13,890
Sami Fathi, a writer for MacRumors,

1640
01:25:13,890 --> 01:25:15,510
says that many questions remain

1641
01:25:15,510 --> 01:25:17,350
on how Apple might implement this

1642
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:19,710
and suggests that it might, in effect,

1643
01:25:19,710 --> 01:25:21,670
force people to sideload.

1644
01:25:23,210 --> 01:25:25,890
Apps must be able to access services and sensors

1645
01:25:25,890 --> 01:25:28,050
and sideloading could offer greater control for apps

1646
01:25:28,050 --> 01:25:30,310
than the app store's restrictions allow.

1647
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:34,170
I have no idea what Sami's point is right now.

1648
01:25:34,170 --> 01:25:36,930
Companies like Meta and Spotify are incentivized to leave

1649
01:25:36,930 --> 01:25:38,970
as they're in direct competition with Apple

1650
01:25:38,970 --> 01:25:41,170
and chafe under app store's rules.

1651
01:25:41,170 --> 01:25:42,010
Yeah.

1652
01:25:42,010 --> 01:25:43,550
So, no, what's actually going to happen

1653
01:25:43,550 --> 01:25:47,330
is in order for Apple to maintain any kind of revenue

1654
01:25:47,330 --> 01:25:48,470
from the app store,

1655
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:53,010
they're going to have to take a less abusive cut

1656
01:25:53,010 --> 01:25:57,800
and they're going to have to relax their policies.

1657
01:25:57,800 --> 01:25:58,660
It's good.

1658
01:25:58,660 --> 01:25:59,760
This is good for consumers.

1659
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:01,080
All you're doing is,

1660
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:02,580
Sami, all you're doing is reiterating

1661
01:26:02,580 --> 01:26:04,080
why this is good for consumers.

1662
01:26:06,980 --> 01:26:07,800
Okay.

1663
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:09,240
Bit odd.

1664
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:10,240
This is a problem.

1665
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:11,360
This is a really good point.

1666
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,480
Making sure that people are running the latest app revision

1667
01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:17,980
this way is going to be a major issue for developers

1668
01:26:17,980 --> 01:26:20,740
versus just having the app store manage this.

1669
01:26:21,620 --> 01:26:23,660
That's going to be messy.

1670
01:26:23,660 --> 01:26:24,740
And then this third point,

1671
01:26:24,740 --> 01:26:26,360
basically it's a mess all around.

1672
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:27,940
I disagree.

1673
01:26:29,060 --> 01:26:30,940
Android already allows sideloading.

1674
01:26:30,940 --> 01:26:33,660
No, it is not a mess all around.

1675
01:26:33,660 --> 01:26:39,040
Most users, I promise you, don't sideload anything.

1676
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,120
And it'll probably be the same way.

1677
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:42,120
But,

1678
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,040
if Apple has major cash cow apps come to them,

1679
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,880
one after another, after another, after another,

1680
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,880
this is finally a way for partners to put pressure on Apple,

1681
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:59,480
to actually be partners rather than servants of Apple,

1682
01:26:59,480 --> 01:27:02,540
rather than just being grateful that Apple gives them

1683
01:27:02,540 --> 01:27:07,320
the privilege of being part of their fiefdom or whatever.

1684
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,080
Limited sideloading is already a thing on iOS.

1685
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,040
So yeah, things might not change that much.

1686
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,240
But right now it's very restrictive.

1687
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:18,460
Users have to import a certificate to do so.

1688
01:27:18,460 --> 01:27:20,240
It has to be refreshed weekly to function

1689
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:21,540
if you aren't a developer.

1690
01:27:21,540 --> 01:27:23,200
There's an app limit of three.

1691
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:26,320
AltStore, I've never even heard of this,

1692
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:27,880
is apparently a third party app store

1693
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,500
that automatically refreshes the certificates.

1694
01:27:30,500 --> 01:27:33,240
Now this discussion question, who's right here and why,

1695
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,920
I think I've made my position pretty clear.

1696
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:37,840
This is a win for consumer choice.

1697
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:39,320
And again, this is one of those things

1698
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:42,040
where if you're an Apple user who wants to only use

1699
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:44,000
the app store, then by all means,

1700
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,000
you should have no objection to this for everyone else

1701
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:50,500
because you can keep just using the app store.

1702
01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:52,460
Go for it.

1703
01:27:52,460 --> 01:27:54,800
I don't want to.

1704
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:59,040
And I don't like Apple's monopolistic behavior.

1705
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,040
So I might choose to do something else.

1706
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:03,960
It's called consumer choice.

1707
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,600
You have the choice to do it that way.

1708
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:11,180
And this is effectively a legislative body stepping in

1709
01:28:11,180 --> 01:28:14,640
and saying, yeah, Apple has not in good faith provided

1710
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,720
consumer choice, has not in good faith put themselves

1711
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:19,940
on a level playing field with their competitors

1712
01:28:19,940 --> 01:28:23,520
on their ecosystem and has behaved in a monopolistic way.

1713
01:28:24,590 --> 01:28:27,130
If they had acted in good faith,

1714
01:28:27,130 --> 01:28:29,030
this probably wouldn't have come to bite them,

1715
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:30,950
but they didn't and so it has.

1716
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:33,680
Too bad.

1717
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:34,600
I don't feel bad for them.

1718
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:35,600
I just can't.

1719
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,440
They've been just arseholes to deal with.

1720
01:28:38,440 --> 01:28:40,400
Yeah, absolutely.

1721
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:41,400
At like every turn.

1722
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:42,400
They've made their bed.

1723
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:43,440
Now they sleep in it.

1724
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:44,280
Yeah.

1725
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:45,320
I'm glad the EU actually

1726
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:47,600
has the stones to do this.

1727
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,100
Now, the next discussion question is,

1728
01:28:49,100 --> 01:28:50,780
what would a more open iPhone look like?

1729
01:28:50,780 --> 01:28:53,360
Would you be more or less likely to buy one

1730
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:57,320
if it supported third-party app stores and sideloading?

1731
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:00,560
Because man, with sideloading, I'm imagining anyway,

1732
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,100
a lot more functionality that I just can't get

1733
01:29:03,100 --> 01:29:05,560
unless I want to jailbreak this stupid thing.

1734
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:07,820
Yeah, I think it really depends.

1735
01:29:07,820 --> 01:29:12,080
It depends what services start putting themselves up

1736
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:12,920
to be sideloaded.

1737
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:16,260
It depends if users really start actually doing it

1738
01:29:16,260 --> 01:29:19,880
at all, because if users don't do it,

1739
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,640
then companies aren't going to bother running that setup anyways.

1740
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:24,840
Like there's a lot of variables there.

1741
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:26,920
I think it's one of those things where like first generation

1742
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:29,420
of it might not necessarily matter too much,

1743
01:29:29,420 --> 01:29:34,720
but it'll be interesting to see how it evolves over time.

1744
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,040
I have another discussion question.

1745
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:41,040
Would Flowplane just immediately go the sideloading route

1746
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,300
or would we try and stay on the app store?

1747
01:29:43,300 --> 01:29:45,060
Because I know which way I lean right now,

1748
01:29:45,060 --> 01:29:48,500
but let's have executive dialogue here.

1749
01:29:48,500 --> 01:29:50,120
Let's talk about synergies.

1750
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:54,260
One problem with sideloading and one of the reasons

1751
01:29:54,260 --> 01:29:56,500
why we've avoided sending out packages like that

1752
01:29:56,500 --> 01:29:57,620
in the past is updates.

1753
01:29:57,620 --> 01:29:59,040
Yeah, absolutely.

1754
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:00,880
We don't have an in-app updater.

1755
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:02,200
That is something that is possible,

1756
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:03,740
but that is a tool that we would have to make.

1757
01:30:03,740 --> 01:30:04,580
Which costs money.

1758
01:30:04,580 --> 01:30:05,740
Yeah.

1759
01:30:05,740 --> 01:30:08,260
So I don't know, it really depends.

1760
01:30:08,260 --> 01:30:13,260
I could definitely see someone making like some open source

1761
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:17,580
like package updater for iPhones or something.

1762
01:30:17,580 --> 01:30:18,420
Yeah.

1763
01:30:18,420 --> 01:30:19,340
Or like an updated app store.

1764
01:30:19,340 --> 01:30:20,180
Or that.

1765
01:30:20,180 --> 01:30:21,420
Might have their own updater, yep.

1766
01:30:21,420 --> 01:30:22,260
Yeah.

1767
01:30:22,260 --> 01:30:25,080
So if, I mean, there's a lot of potential there.

1768
01:30:27,650 --> 01:30:30,430
There's definitely a lot more we could do with the app.

1769
01:30:30,430 --> 01:30:32,970
If we could just let it get sideloaded.

1770
01:30:34,110 --> 01:30:36,050
There's a lot of things that we've been stopped from doing.

1771
01:30:36,050 --> 01:30:37,690
Like we'll get complaints.

1772
01:30:37,690 --> 01:30:39,510
People will email customer support and they're like,

1773
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:41,710
hey, this isn't very intuitive.

1774
01:30:41,710 --> 01:30:44,490
It's like, you are 100% correct.

1775
01:30:44,490 --> 01:30:46,250
I completely agree with you.

1776
01:30:46,250 --> 01:30:48,570
And I apologize that there's nothing we can do about it.

1777
01:30:48,570 --> 01:30:49,410
Yeah.

1778
01:30:49,410 --> 01:30:50,570
Like we can't.

1779
01:30:50,570 --> 01:30:52,170
They're like, it would be really great

1780
01:30:52,170 --> 01:30:54,210
if when I go to try to do this thing,

1781
01:30:54,210 --> 01:30:56,650
it could tell me that like I have to do it on the website.

1782
01:30:56,650 --> 01:30:59,070
And it's like, yep, that would be awesome.

1783
01:30:59,070 --> 01:30:59,910
But we can't.

1784
01:30:59,910 --> 01:31:02,330
We can't send you to our website, sorry.

1785
01:31:02,330 --> 01:31:03,170
It is what it is.

1786
01:31:03,170 --> 01:31:04,010
Ridiculous.

1787
01:31:04,010 --> 01:31:05,250
Yeah, it's just.

1788
01:31:05,250 --> 01:31:08,030
And they've gotten a little bit better with it over time.

1789
01:31:08,030 --> 01:31:09,870
But like, it's still far from

1790
01:31:09,870 --> 01:31:12,810
what I would consider acceptable.

1791
01:31:12,810 --> 01:31:15,540
Yeah.

1792
01:31:15,540 --> 01:31:18,960
I think merch messages are much more under control.

1793
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,600
There's three potentials.

1794
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,480
No incoming, and then we have 15 curated.

1795
01:31:23,480 --> 01:31:29,140
So we have a lot to go through, but the wave has subsided.

1796
01:31:29,140 --> 01:31:32,540
Let me jump through a couple of these really quickly.

1797
01:31:32,540 --> 01:31:36,000
Epic Games is gonna be paying half a billion dollars

1798
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:39,500
for COPPA violations and the use of dark patterns.

1799
01:31:39,500 --> 01:31:41,180
Are you familiar with dark patterns?

1800
01:31:41,180 --> 01:31:42,000
Yeah.

1801
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:42,840
I would think that you would be.

1802
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:43,680
Good.

1803
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:44,500
Then why don't you explain them?

1804
01:31:44,500 --> 01:31:45,340
Because you probably know more about them than I do.

1805
01:31:45,340 --> 01:31:47,140
So a dark pattern,

1806
01:31:47,140 --> 01:31:49,800
and I apologize if I explain this poorly,

1807
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:51,700
but a dark pattern is like,

1808
01:31:52,300 --> 01:31:56,800
trying to mislead or trick users in certain ways.

1809
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:57,640
Yeah.

1810
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:02,420
Like manipulate your website or your service so that.

1811
01:32:02,420 --> 01:32:04,060
Manipulate the appearance of things,

1812
01:32:04,060 --> 01:32:05,920
manipulate the user experience of things

1813
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,060
like where you position different buttons,

1814
01:32:08,060 --> 01:32:10,100
manipulate things to try to funnel people

1815
01:32:10,100 --> 01:32:11,460
in a certain direction,

1816
01:32:11,460 --> 01:32:14,720
which is probably not something that they would want to do.

1817
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:15,560
Yeah.

1818
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,760
So like if you kind of obscure your sign up

1819
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:20,420
to a newsletter thing,

1820
01:32:20,420 --> 01:32:21,300
and it's a checkbox,

1821
01:32:21,300 --> 01:32:22,260
and it's automatically checked,

1822
01:32:22,260 --> 01:32:23,260
but it's like really small

1823
01:32:23,260 --> 01:32:24,600
and it's somewhere that you wouldn't expect.

1824
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:25,460
That'd be a dark pattern.

1825
01:32:25,460 --> 01:32:26,300
That would be a dark pattern.

1826
01:32:26,300 --> 01:32:31,500
Or if you have like a buy now button, okay,

1827
01:32:31,500 --> 01:32:33,600
for a product someone might want.

1828
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:35,220
And then in very small text,

1829
01:32:35,220 --> 01:32:38,420
it says you authorize us to send you one of these every month.

1830
01:32:38,420 --> 01:32:39,260
Yeah.

1831
01:32:39,260 --> 01:32:40,180
And you didn't realize that you were.

1832
01:32:40,180 --> 01:32:41,020
Recurring subscription.

1833
01:32:41,020 --> 01:32:42,460
Signing up for a subscription service.

1834
01:32:42,460 --> 01:32:44,600
That would be a dark pattern.

1835
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:49,600
So it's using subtlety to get users to do inputs

1836
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:51,720
that are not what they actually want.

1837
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:56,480
So $245 million of the settlement

1838
01:32:56,480 --> 01:32:59,960
is in refunds for dark patterns and billing practices

1839
01:32:59,960 --> 01:33:02,060
that essentially made it too easy

1840
01:33:02,060 --> 01:33:03,640
to make purchases in game,

1841
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:06,520
often accidentally, according to the FTC.

1842
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:08,880
It is claimed that Epic would intentionally

1843
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:12,100
switch button positions to create situations

1844
01:33:12,100 --> 01:33:15,300
where charges were made with a single button press.

1845
01:33:15,300 --> 01:33:16,420
Charges would also be made

1846
01:33:16,420 --> 01:33:18,340
when the game would be woken from sleep mode

1847
01:33:18,340 --> 01:33:20,960
through these dark patterns of deceitful UI.

1848
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:23,620
Until 2018, Epic would allow charges to be made

1849
01:33:23,620 --> 01:33:25,880
without cardholder action or approval.

1850
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:29,960
So by default, simple button presses would lead to charges.

1851
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:32,940
The rest of it is for violating

1852
01:33:32,940 --> 01:33:35,720
the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act, COPPA,

1853
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:38,020
by not including adequate parental controls,

1854
01:33:38,020 --> 01:33:39,720
collecting children's personal information

1855
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:41,400
without parental consent,

1856
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:43,820
and using overly relaxed privacy settings

1857
01:33:43,820 --> 01:33:47,220
that included text and voice chat being active by default,

1858
01:33:47,220 --> 01:33:50,520
which I think we can all agree is not good.

1859
01:33:51,060 --> 01:33:55,950
I don't want to hear their annoying voices.

1860
01:33:55,950 --> 01:33:57,610
Sorry, what were you talking about?

1861
01:33:59,030 --> 01:34:01,150
Other examples, by the way, can include things like,

1862
01:34:01,150 --> 01:34:03,310
some of these were brought up in Floatplane chat.

1863
01:34:03,310 --> 01:34:05,450
If you're trying to unsubscribe from something,

1864
01:34:05,450 --> 01:34:07,810
the cancel button being really big and obvious

1865
01:34:07,810 --> 01:34:10,110
and the unsubscribe button being a hyperlink

1866
01:34:10,110 --> 01:34:12,110
that you can barely even tell is a button,

1867
01:34:13,190 --> 01:34:16,070
one that you see fairly often with subscriptions.

1868
01:34:16,070 --> 01:34:20,410
Man, I was, okay, so a little while ago,

1869
01:34:22,110 --> 01:34:25,450
my grandfather passed away and we were going through

1870
01:34:25,450 --> 01:34:27,690
and canceling some of his online subscriptions

1871
01:34:27,690 --> 01:34:30,490
and accounts and things, and he had Amazon Prime.

1872
01:34:30,490 --> 01:34:34,380
Canceling Amazon Prime is hard.

1873
01:34:34,380 --> 01:34:36,380
Why is it so hard?

1874
01:34:36,380 --> 01:34:38,760
Because Daddy Bezos needs more yachts.

1875
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:42,840
And I legitimately think, I almost, man, I had told myself

1876
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:44,260
I wanted to rage on the WAN Show about this,

1877
01:34:44,260 --> 01:34:45,700
and I think I forgot about it,

1878
01:34:45,700 --> 01:34:50,120
but I think it's genuinely like oppressive to old people.

1879
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:50,960
Yeah.

1880
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:52,380
Because it's really confusing.

1881
01:34:52,380 --> 01:34:55,140
And they move around where you need

1882
01:34:55,140 --> 01:34:56,380
to press the cancel button,

1883
01:34:56,380 --> 01:34:58,880
and they frame it in a bunch of really weird ways.

1884
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:01,680
And the website feels like it degrades.

1885
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:04,260
It feels like you go back to 1990s internet,

1886
01:35:04,260 --> 01:35:06,420
because you get these weird ancient UIs

1887
01:35:06,420 --> 01:35:07,260
as you're going through.

1888
01:35:07,260 --> 01:35:09,300
And it's very weird.

1889
01:35:09,300 --> 01:35:11,720
You feel like you're doing something wrong.

1890
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,580
It's so not okay, in my opinion.

1891
01:35:16,580 --> 01:35:17,420
I don't know.

1892
01:35:17,420 --> 01:35:19,220
It actually bothered me a lot.

1893
01:35:19,220 --> 01:35:22,380
I already don't exactly have the most positive

1894
01:35:22,380 --> 01:35:26,620
relationship with Amazon, so I do have to consider that.

1895
01:35:26,620 --> 01:35:29,080
But it was actually really terrible.

1896
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:31,080
Yeah, Luke was probably in more of a hurry

1897
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:34,000
to cancel a Prime subscription than most people would be.

1898
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,260
Yeah, that's probably fair enough.

1899
01:35:36,260 --> 01:35:39,800
But another thing, and this is not a drag on him,

1900
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:44,040
he had multiple Amazon accounts that we ended up figuring out.

1901
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:45,920
It's really easy to accidentally do that.

1902
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:49,860
Had multiple Prime subscriptions.

1903
01:35:49,860 --> 01:35:51,640
It should be way harder to do that.

1904
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:52,600
Yep.

1905
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:53,780
Like, I just, man.

1906
01:35:53,780 --> 01:35:55,120
I don't know.

1907
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:56,900
Someone in full-plane chat just said,

1908
01:35:56,900 --> 01:36:00,940
I'm a sysadmin, and it took me 20 minutes to cancel Prime.

1909
01:36:00,940 --> 01:36:01,860
That should be one click.

1910
01:36:01,860 --> 01:36:04,960
That should not be okay.

1911
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:06,500
Like, that's actually crazy.

1912
01:36:06,500 --> 01:36:07,920
I don't know.

1913
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:10,260
In my opinion, that's an extremely egregious version

1914
01:36:10,260 --> 01:36:12,040
of like a dark pattern.

1915
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:15,340
Yeah, it's trying to push people to not do the thing

1916
01:36:15,340 --> 01:36:18,410
that you don't want them to do.

1917
01:36:18,410 --> 01:36:19,750
So, yeah.

1918
01:36:21,390 --> 01:36:25,010
I just wanted to read this comment from Jedi2,

1919
01:36:25,010 --> 01:36:26,310
tagging Dan.

1920
01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:27,890
You guys handled the outage well.

1921
01:36:27,890 --> 01:36:30,090
Very impressed the show wasn't canceled tonight.

1922
01:36:30,090 --> 01:36:32,130
Luke and I have a streak, okay?

1923
01:36:32,130 --> 01:36:33,630
Yeah, it's not allowed to happen.

1924
01:36:33,630 --> 01:36:35,710
It never entered my mind

1925
01:36:35,710 --> 01:36:38,770
that the show was not going to go on tonight.

1926
01:36:38,770 --> 01:36:41,710
I will not be responsible for breaking the streak.

1927
01:36:41,710 --> 01:36:45,810
No one here is gonna be the one to break the streak.

1928
01:36:45,810 --> 01:36:49,010
I was told that I have too much vacation time recently,

1929
01:36:49,010 --> 01:36:50,630
so I had to book some vacation time.

1930
01:36:50,630 --> 01:36:53,010
And when I was trying to figure out when I could book it,

1931
01:36:53,010 --> 01:36:54,510
I was describing like, okay, I could do these things.

1932
01:36:54,510 --> 01:36:55,810
I could do these things, whatever.

1933
01:36:55,810 --> 01:36:57,270
I was like, I can't take Fridays off.

1934
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:58,630
It's just, it's not an option.

1935
01:36:58,630 --> 01:37:03,010
I was like, WAN Show must go on.

1936
01:37:03,010 --> 01:37:05,630
When I was traveling, I technically had those Fridays off,

1937
01:37:05,630 --> 01:37:07,270
but I was just like, no.

1938
01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:08,930
I'm on vacation this week.

1939
01:37:08,930 --> 01:37:10,810
Yeah, perfect example.

1940
01:37:10,810 --> 01:37:11,630
You know that.

1941
01:37:11,630 --> 01:37:12,930
Yeah, it's gonna happen.

1942
01:37:12,930 --> 01:37:14,170
WAN Show must go on.

1943
01:37:14,170 --> 01:37:15,970
I'm on vacation right now.

1944
01:37:16,970 --> 01:37:17,810
What's up?

1945
01:37:20,810 --> 01:37:22,810
Speaking of things that might have brought people

1946
01:37:22,810 --> 01:37:23,810
back from vacation.

1947
01:37:24,510 --> 01:37:26,430
This isn't really properly in the doc,

1948
01:37:26,430 --> 01:37:30,170
but the write-up by Scotty Seng on the forum is quite good.

1949
01:37:30,170 --> 01:37:31,890
So we're gonna use that.

1950
01:37:31,890 --> 01:37:33,710
Alert for LastPass users.

1951
01:37:33,710 --> 01:37:37,350
The breach in August was worse than expected.

1952
01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:38,390
A lot worse.

1953
01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:39,510
I use LastPass.

1954
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:41,170
I've hated it for so long,

1955
01:37:41,170 --> 01:37:42,850
but I have assigned the task

1956
01:37:42,850 --> 01:37:45,430
of switching our corporate password manager

1957
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:47,930
over to something else to multiple people

1958
01:37:47,930 --> 01:37:49,630
for like almost two years now.

1959
01:37:49,630 --> 01:37:50,550
And it hasn't been done.

1960
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:51,750
Actually over a year.

1961
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:53,510
I think I'm gonna take the mantle.

1962
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:54,350
Are you?

1963
01:37:54,350 --> 01:37:55,190
That would be great.

1964
01:37:55,190 --> 01:37:56,010
Thanks.

1965
01:37:56,010 --> 01:37:56,850
Yeah.

1966
01:37:56,850 --> 01:37:57,690
Can we go with,

1967
01:37:57,690 --> 01:38:00,230
is KeePass the one that has the local nonsense?

1968
01:38:00,230 --> 01:38:01,050
I don't know.

1969
01:38:01,050 --> 01:38:01,850
Well, I want that one.

1970
01:38:01,850 --> 01:38:04,350
I haven't done research in like basically at all.

1971
01:38:04,350 --> 01:38:05,930
I just, I've been like frustrated

1972
01:38:05,930 --> 01:38:07,970
that we haven't switched for quite a while.

1973
01:38:07,970 --> 01:38:11,470
And then this article came out and I was like, we're moving.

1974
01:38:11,470 --> 01:38:12,890
It's like, I'm gonna find a way.

1975
01:38:12,890 --> 01:38:13,730
I'm gonna get it done.

1976
01:38:13,730 --> 01:38:14,550
We're moving.

1977
01:38:14,550 --> 01:38:15,430
We have to move.

1978
01:38:15,430 --> 01:38:16,730
But anyways, yeah.

1979
01:38:16,730 --> 01:38:18,550
Previously mentioned breach in August.

1980
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:20,930
LastPass mentioned encrypted data was downloaded,

1981
01:38:20,930 --> 01:38:22,050
but still secure.

1982
01:38:22,050 --> 01:38:24,350
However, this recent update states that the breach was worse.

1983
01:38:24,350 --> 01:38:26,890
Than expected as actors can brute force,

1984
01:38:26,890 --> 01:38:30,470
decrypt the copied backup vaults that were removed

1985
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:33,270
out of their LastPass secured cloud containers.

1986
01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:36,270
LastPass is advertising users to, sorry,

1987
01:38:36,270 --> 01:38:39,350
advising users to reset and update all passwords,

1988
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:41,190
especially the master password.

1989
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:44,350
This is not exactly.

1990
01:38:44,350 --> 01:38:48,390
The worst part is that there's information

1991
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:51,050
that is stored in plain text.

1992
01:38:51,050 --> 01:38:51,890
Yeah.

1993
01:38:51,890 --> 01:38:52,730
So this is-

1994
01:38:52,730 --> 01:38:53,770
Usernames and passwords.

1995
01:38:53,770 --> 01:38:54,110
Not so much.

1996
01:38:54,110 --> 01:38:55,230
Not so much.

1997
01:38:55,230 --> 01:39:00,230
But the, as far as I can tell the main account information.

1998
01:39:00,730 --> 01:39:05,730
So the name, email address is accessible to the hackers

1999
01:39:06,350 --> 01:39:08,190
and the URLs.

2000
01:39:08,190 --> 01:39:09,110
Yes, the URLs.

2001
01:39:09,110 --> 01:39:10,690
Were stored in plain text.

2002
01:39:10,690 --> 01:39:11,860
Yep.

2003
01:39:11,860 --> 01:39:16,660
So what that does is it makes the process of going through

2004
01:39:16,660 --> 01:39:19,820
and trying to brute force the username and password

2005
01:39:19,820 --> 01:39:23,660
much easier if you know what service it's for.

2006
01:39:23,660 --> 01:39:25,280
So that's one thing.

2007
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:31,280
And number two is the entire web history of a user

2008
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:36,280
is pretty valuable, even without the usernames and passwords.

2009
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:39,700
And you would have it because they're tied.

2010
01:39:39,700 --> 01:39:41,160
It's not the entire web history.

2011
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:44,160
Well, it's everywhere you have an account.

2012
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:45,000
Yeah.

2013
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:46,540
It's very similar, but not the same.

2014
01:39:46,540 --> 01:39:47,700
I'm just saying.

2015
01:39:47,700 --> 01:39:48,540
Sure.

2016
01:39:48,540 --> 01:39:49,580
I'm just saying.

2017
01:39:49,580 --> 01:39:51,580
But yeah, it's, I mean, this is horrible.

2018
01:39:51,580 --> 01:39:55,050
Yeah.

2019
01:39:55,050 --> 01:39:57,170
I'm just going to get out in front of it.

2020
01:39:57,170 --> 01:40:00,090
I look at some bad stuff on the internet.

2021
01:40:00,090 --> 01:40:01,030
Sure.

2022
01:40:01,030 --> 01:40:03,290
Mine leaks, whatever, there's stuff in there.

2023
01:40:06,290 --> 01:40:07,130
Yeah.

2024
01:40:07,130 --> 01:40:10,130
And like one of the things too, is like people can say

2025
01:40:10,130 --> 01:40:12,050
like these master passwords are going to be basically

2026
01:40:12,050 --> 01:40:13,950
impossible to brute force.

2027
01:40:13,950 --> 01:40:16,490
It's a non-zero possibility.

2028
01:40:16,490 --> 01:40:19,750
And like compute, it's going like this.

2029
01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:20,590
Yep.

2030
01:40:20,590 --> 01:40:23,410
And people can find ways to break certain types

2031
01:40:23,410 --> 01:40:25,290
of encryption and all this other type of stuff.

2032
01:40:25,290 --> 01:40:29,830
So you should update all of your passwords

2033
01:40:29,830 --> 01:40:34,090
and that's gonna suck, but you should do it anyways.

2034
01:40:34,090 --> 01:40:36,260
And you should leave LastPass.

2035
01:40:36,260 --> 01:40:38,500
That would be my suggestion.

2036
01:40:38,500 --> 01:40:39,340
Yeah.

2037
01:40:39,340 --> 01:40:40,160
Yep.

2038
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:43,330
So we need to update all of our passwords.

2039
01:40:43,330 --> 01:40:44,170
Yep.

2040
01:40:44,170 --> 01:40:45,010
And we need to leave LastPass.

2041
01:40:45,010 --> 01:40:47,010
Especially our passwords for celebrityfeetpics.com.

2042
01:40:47,010 --> 01:40:47,830
Yeah.

2043
01:40:47,830 --> 01:40:48,670
Do you got that one?

2044
01:40:48,670 --> 01:40:49,630
I don't even know if that's a real site.

2045
01:40:49,630 --> 01:40:50,470
It probably is.

2046
01:40:50,470 --> 01:40:51,290
I think, I think.

2047
01:40:51,290 --> 01:40:52,470
It has to be.

2048
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:55,290
Isn't, there's some, there's some website that does that.

2049
01:40:55,290 --> 01:40:56,130
I don't know if it's called that.

2050
01:40:56,130 --> 01:40:57,550
Oh, I'm sure there is.

2051
01:40:57,550 --> 01:41:00,540
This particular one isn't it.

2052
01:41:00,540 --> 01:41:01,380
Nope.

2053
01:41:01,380 --> 01:41:03,800
It's, it's this at the moment.

2054
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:04,620
Oh.

2055
01:41:04,620 --> 01:41:05,460
So it seems to be parked.

2056
01:41:05,460 --> 01:41:06,300
Yeah, it's parked.

2057
01:41:06,300 --> 01:41:07,720
There's, there's something like that though.

2058
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:08,540
Oh, I'm sure there is.

2059
01:41:08,540 --> 01:41:09,840
Cause I remember like forever ago,

2060
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,440
you were on there or something.

2061
01:41:12,440 --> 01:41:13,280
On where?

2062
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:14,620
I think we like joked about it.

2063
01:41:14,620 --> 01:41:18,020
You were on some website that like tracks celebrity feet

2064
01:41:18,020 --> 01:41:18,940
pics.

2065
01:41:18,940 --> 01:41:19,780
Shut up.

2066
01:41:19,780 --> 01:41:21,080
I guarantee this is a thing.

2067
01:41:24,100 --> 01:41:26,140
I did not think this was going to be something we were going

2068
01:41:26,140 --> 01:41:27,480
to be looking up on WAN Show today.

2069
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,180
Um, but I like.

2070
01:41:30,180 --> 01:41:31,600
Men.wikifeet?

2071
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:32,360
Wikifeet.

2072
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:34,540
Yeah.

2073
01:41:34,540 --> 01:41:35,380
Hmm.

2074
01:41:35,380 --> 01:41:36,820
Interesting.

2075
01:41:36,820 --> 01:41:37,640
Yep.

2076
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:38,480
Is that you?

2077
01:41:38,480 --> 01:41:39,670
I mean, this is.

2078
01:41:39,670 --> 01:41:40,510
Yeah.

2079
01:41:40,510 --> 01:41:41,350
This almost certainly is.

2080
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:42,470
This is.

2081
01:41:42,470 --> 01:41:44,590
I'm pretty sure this is.

2082
01:41:44,590 --> 01:41:45,430
Yep.

2083
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:47,130
This is my old bathroom scale.

2084
01:41:47,130 --> 01:41:48,670
That's definitely my towel.

2085
01:41:48,670 --> 01:41:49,510
Yeah.

2086
01:41:49,510 --> 01:41:50,960
Huh.

2087
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:51,800
That's weird.

2088
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:52,640
Oh, you might want to close the page.

2089
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:53,460
I think there was something.

2090
01:41:53,460 --> 01:41:54,300
No, no, no, no.

2091
01:41:54,300 --> 01:41:55,100
Close it.

2092
01:41:55,100 --> 01:41:55,920
Just close the page.

2093
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:58,230
Just close the page.

2094
01:41:58,230 --> 01:41:59,070
Okay.

2095
01:41:59,070 --> 01:41:59,890
I see.

2096
01:41:59,890 --> 01:42:00,730
Yeah.

2097
01:42:00,730 --> 01:42:03,110
Nope.

2098
01:42:03,110 --> 01:42:03,930
Anywho.

2099
01:42:03,930 --> 01:42:04,770
It is what it is.

2100
01:42:10,020 --> 01:42:13,760
A UK regulator warns that sharing Netflix passwords

2101
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:16,100
may be illegal.

2102
01:42:16,100 --> 01:42:16,940
Oh.

2103
01:42:16,940 --> 01:42:21,020
UK's Intellectual Property Office said on Tuesday

2104
01:42:21,020 --> 01:42:23,600
that sharing passwords to access content

2105
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:25,440
breaks copyright law.

2106
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:28,320
The comment was seemingly unsolicited

2107
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:30,820
as Netflix has never stated that it would take legal action

2108
01:42:30,820 --> 01:42:31,820
against British people

2109
01:42:31,820 --> 01:42:35,620
for sharing passwords, which is jolly good of them, I suppose.

2110
01:42:35,620 --> 01:42:37,320
And since making the comment,

2111
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:39,940
the IPO has removed references to password sharing

2112
01:42:39,940 --> 01:42:41,740
from the guidance portion of their website,

2113
01:42:41,740 --> 01:42:44,520
but a spokesperson confirmed the agency's stance

2114
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:46,940
on the matter, saying there are a range of provisions

2115
01:42:46,940 --> 01:42:49,200
in criminal and civil law, which may be applicable

2116
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:50,860
in the case of password sharing,

2117
01:42:50,860 --> 01:42:52,240
where the intent is to allow a user

2118
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:55,580
to access copyright protected works without payment.

2119
01:42:55,580 --> 01:42:57,580
TLDR, sharing a password is illegal

2120
01:42:57,580 --> 01:42:59,280
in both a criminal and civil sense,

2121
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:00,700
according to this particular.

2122
01:43:00,700 --> 01:43:01,700
It's okay.

2123
01:43:01,700 --> 01:43:02,540
Sorry, I'm gonna.

2124
01:43:02,540 --> 01:43:03,360
Body.

2125
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:04,200
I'm gonna interject for a second.

2126
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:05,040
What now?

2127
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:07,040
People pointed out that you didn't notice

2128
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:09,400
that was a problem because you don't see ads.

2129
01:43:15,220 --> 01:43:16,960
It's true though.

2130
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:18,120
It just happened.

2131
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:19,040
We weren't kidding.

2132
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:20,420
It's actually a thing.

2133
01:43:26,060 --> 01:43:28,520
Oh, I find that so funny.

2134
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:32,060
Remember those, remember those ads

2135
01:43:32,060 --> 01:43:34,780
that would have like a super attractive,

2136
01:43:34,780 --> 01:43:37,480
attractive woman, and then it would be like,

2137
01:43:37,480 --> 01:43:40,160
by the way, there's a car in the picture or whatever.

2138
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:41,360
Oh yeah, sure.

2139
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:44,320
That's super like cringe style of ad.

2140
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:45,240
Yeah.

2141
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:46,120
You just see the car.

2142
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:47,120
Well, no, I just didn't see anything.

2143
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:48,160
You wouldn't see anything.

2144
01:43:49,980 --> 01:43:51,200
Okay.

2145
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:52,900
Did you see the delay?

2146
01:43:52,900 --> 01:43:55,620
How long it took for me to find a pair of breasts

2147
01:43:55,620 --> 01:43:56,620
on a webpage?

2148
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:00,160
Doesn't see the ad.

2149
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:01,700
I can't see it.

2150
01:44:01,700 --> 01:44:03,900
It doesn't matter what's on the ad.

2151
01:44:03,900 --> 01:44:07,820
If it's an ad, I can't see it.

2152
01:44:07,820 --> 01:44:09,200
It's invisible to me.

2153
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:13,600
We try, I'm so happy that we now have like really good proof

2154
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:15,100
because like, I know it's a thing,

2155
01:44:15,100 --> 01:44:16,740
but when you try to tell people,

2156
01:44:16,740 --> 01:44:18,320
I think a lot of people are like, oh yeah, sure.

2157
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:19,140
Whatever.

2158
01:44:19,140 --> 01:44:21,560
Like, I don't, I'm not affected by ads.

2159
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:23,480
No, he doesn't see them.

2160
01:44:23,480 --> 01:44:24,600
It's different.

2161
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:28,140
Like it's actually fundamentally different.

2162
01:44:30,010 --> 01:44:31,630
So it was like, Linus is ad block.

2163
01:44:31,630 --> 01:44:32,690
Yeah.

2164
01:44:32,690 --> 01:44:33,850
I can get annoyed by them.

2165
01:44:33,850 --> 01:44:36,730
Like the video we were shooting earlier

2166
01:44:36,730 --> 01:44:37,810
with the worst videos,

2167
01:44:37,810 --> 01:44:40,090
we were logged into the Linus Tech Tips,

2168
01:44:40,090 --> 01:44:42,930
Google ads, Google account.

2169
01:44:42,930 --> 01:44:43,770
Yeah.

2170
01:44:43,770 --> 01:44:45,470
Because that's the only way for us to see

2171
01:44:45,470 --> 01:44:47,010
the true like dislike ratio,

2172
01:44:47,010 --> 01:44:49,390
which kind of helps when we're watching the content

2173
01:44:49,390 --> 01:44:51,610
and trying to figure out what was so bad about it, right?

2174
01:44:51,610 --> 01:44:53,770
And we don't have premium on that account.

2175
01:44:53,770 --> 01:44:56,510
And I was annoyed by waiting

2176
01:44:56,510 --> 01:44:58,390
to watch the video I want to watch,

2177
01:44:58,390 --> 01:45:02,310
but I couldn't tell you a single thing we saw an ad for.

2178
01:45:02,310 --> 01:45:03,650
Not a single one.

2179
01:45:03,650 --> 01:45:05,310
I have no idea.

2180
01:45:05,310 --> 01:45:08,890
All I really remember was registering because I,

2181
01:45:08,890 --> 01:45:10,810
we've talked about this before, I have a premium account.

2182
01:45:10,810 --> 01:45:12,810
All I remember was registering that there was like,

2183
01:45:12,810 --> 01:45:14,650
we had to wait eight seconds for the current one

2184
01:45:14,650 --> 01:45:15,850
and there was another one coming.

2185
01:45:15,850 --> 01:45:17,730
And I was like, oh my goodness, this is crazy.

2186
01:45:17,730 --> 01:45:19,070
But I don't remember what the ads were.

2187
01:45:19,070 --> 01:45:21,230
That's because all I'm looking at is that timer

2188
01:45:21,230 --> 01:45:22,530
for when I can click skip.

2189
01:45:22,530 --> 01:45:23,350
Yeah.

2190
01:45:23,350 --> 01:45:24,610
That's literally the only thing interesting.

2191
01:45:24,610 --> 01:45:26,150
Becomes like a reaction timing game.

2192
01:45:26,150 --> 01:45:28,110
As soon as I realized I can't skip it,

2193
01:45:28,110 --> 01:45:30,350
my attention is somewhere else.

2194
01:45:30,350 --> 01:45:32,270
It sure as heck isn't on my computer.

2195
01:45:32,270 --> 01:45:34,150
Yeah. Yeah.

2196
01:45:34,190 --> 01:45:35,030
But yeah, sorry.

2197
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:37,190
That was just, that was really funny.

2198
01:45:37,190 --> 01:45:40,570
Anywho, despite no streaming service ever,

2199
01:45:40,570 --> 01:45:42,270
so much as hinting at pursuing legal action

2200
01:45:42,270 --> 01:45:43,730
against password sharers,

2201
01:45:45,450 --> 01:45:49,210
CPS, the Crown Prosecution Service,

2202
01:45:49,210 --> 01:45:50,570
has not ruled out the possibility

2203
01:45:50,570 --> 01:45:52,610
of it seeking criminal charges against people

2204
01:45:52,610 --> 01:45:55,610
that privateer password from their friends and loved ones.

2205
01:45:55,610 --> 01:45:56,950
That's gotta be wild.

2206
01:45:56,950 --> 01:46:00,290
Oh, they would need to have the case referred to them.

2207
01:46:00,290 --> 01:46:01,330
So one of the streaming services

2208
01:46:01,330 --> 01:46:04,230
would have to pursue legal action.

2209
01:46:04,230 --> 01:46:04,950
Interesting.

2210
01:46:04,990 --> 01:46:06,650
I mean, I don't think this is gonna happen.

2211
01:46:06,650 --> 01:46:07,650
To put this in perspective,

2212
01:46:07,650 --> 01:46:10,610
torrenting could carry a sentence of up to 10 years.

2213
01:46:10,610 --> 01:46:12,690
It was raised from two years in 2017

2214
01:46:12,690 --> 01:46:14,450
on the recommendation of the IPO.

2215
01:46:14,450 --> 01:46:16,650
However, most prison sentences for piracy

2216
01:46:16,650 --> 01:46:19,570
have been for those running torrent sites or live streams.

2217
01:46:20,610 --> 01:46:21,690
Here's our discussion question.

2218
01:46:21,690 --> 01:46:22,530
Oh boy.

2219
01:46:22,530 --> 01:46:23,870
If Floatgain were to pursue legal action

2220
01:46:23,870 --> 01:46:25,910
against someone for sharing a password,

2221
01:46:25,910 --> 01:46:28,410
what would you anticipate the fallout to be like?

2222
01:46:28,410 --> 01:46:29,250
Terrible.

2223
01:46:29,250 --> 01:46:32,070
We have never considered pursuing legal action for that.

2224
01:46:32,070 --> 01:46:34,790
We actually have some stuff that kind of tracks it.

2225
01:46:34,990 --> 01:46:35,830
Really?

2226
01:46:35,830 --> 01:46:36,650
I didn't even know.

2227
01:46:36,650 --> 01:46:37,950
I know of a couple accounts

2228
01:46:37,950 --> 01:46:40,450
that like are almost certainly doing that.

2229
01:46:40,450 --> 01:46:42,370
We have banned an account for doing it,

2230
01:46:42,370 --> 01:46:45,230
at least one account for doing it on like a mass scale.

2231
01:46:45,230 --> 01:46:46,070
I know about that.

2232
01:46:46,070 --> 01:46:50,830
But when we think it's probably a situation,

2233
01:46:50,830 --> 01:46:53,370
like I ran into one where I actually ended up

2234
01:46:53,370 --> 01:46:54,230
talking to them about it.

2235
01:46:54,230 --> 01:46:57,190
This was like a few years ago when I used to stream.

2236
01:46:57,190 --> 01:46:58,690
But they came into my stream and I was like,

2237
01:46:58,690 --> 01:47:00,530
oh, it's you, you have the same username.

2238
01:47:00,530 --> 01:47:01,950
And I just asked them about it.

2239
01:47:01,950 --> 01:47:02,990
And it was like, it was on one IP for like, a second.

2240
01:47:02,990 --> 01:47:03,990
And it was like, it was on one IP for like, a second.

2241
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:04,950
And it was like, it was on one IP for like, a second.

2242
01:47:04,990 --> 01:47:05,830
And it was like, it was on one IP for like, a second.

2243
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:06,650
And it was like, it was on one IP for like, a second.

2244
01:47:06,650 --> 01:47:07,490
And then it was on two IPs.

2245
01:47:07,490 --> 01:47:08,330
And then it was on two IPs.

2246
01:47:08,330 --> 01:47:09,150
And it was on two IPs.

2247
01:47:09,150 --> 01:47:09,990
Yeah.

2248
01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:10,830
And it's like, huh?

2249
01:47:10,830 --> 01:47:11,910
And they were like, yeah, I mean,

2250
01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:14,370
my brother and I shared an account when we lived together.

2251
01:47:14,370 --> 01:47:15,990
And then I don't remember the exact details,

2252
01:47:15,990 --> 01:47:17,030
but it was something along the lines of like,

2253
01:47:17,030 --> 01:47:18,230
I went to university or whatever,

2254
01:47:18,230 --> 01:47:19,370
we both still use the account.

2255
01:47:19,370 --> 01:47:20,910
And I'm like, cool.

2256
01:47:20,910 --> 01:47:22,370
I was half expecting it to be,

2257
01:47:22,370 --> 01:47:25,330
I was half expecting it to be my parents divorced.

2258
01:47:25,330 --> 01:47:28,150
Oh, well, no, okay, the thing that we were seeing

2259
01:47:28,150 --> 01:47:30,110
was it being used at the same time.

2260
01:47:30,110 --> 01:47:31,650
Right, okay, sure, sure, sure.

2261
01:47:31,650 --> 01:47:33,410
So like-

2262
01:47:33,410 --> 01:47:35,150
And my parents watched the land show.

2263
01:47:36,860 --> 01:47:39,040
But yeah, like, I don't care about that.

2264
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:42,040
I don't, I'm not encouraging people to do this,

2265
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:45,200
but like, if it's within reason, I don't-

2266
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:47,400
I don't think we've ever really taken a stance on it.

2267
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:49,660
Yeah, the problem is when you post like,

2268
01:47:49,660 --> 01:47:51,780
your username and login on some forum

2269
01:47:51,780 --> 01:47:53,020
and you're like, how about it, God?

2270
01:47:53,020 --> 01:47:55,200
Like, that's when it becomes an issue,

2271
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:56,120
if you're sharing it with-

2272
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:59,320
Or if you're using your account to download the material

2273
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:01,440
and then redistributing it, then obviously-

2274
01:48:01,440 --> 01:48:01,740
Yeah, there's-

2275
01:48:01,740 --> 01:48:04,900
There's issues there, but as long as you're not like,

2276
01:48:04,900 --> 01:48:08,040
really abusing it, like, we don't really care.

2277
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:10,200
What if Flowplane was 300 times the size?

2278
01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:13,080
I mean, I'm sure we would see it the same way as we do now,

2279
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:14,400
to be completely honest.

2280
01:48:15,820 --> 01:48:17,820
We would be not happy with people

2281
01:48:17,820 --> 01:48:19,320
that were mass sharing it,

2282
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:24,360
but in the way that I think a lot of Netflix accounts

2283
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:25,700
were shared back in the day,

2284
01:48:25,700 --> 01:48:27,380
I think it would kind of be fine.

2285
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:32,580
I don't know, yeah.

2286
01:48:32,580 --> 01:48:33,580
We should do some merch messages.

2287
01:48:33,580 --> 01:48:34,780
Yeah.

2288
01:48:34,780 --> 01:48:36,780
Because those we definitely,

2289
01:48:36,780 --> 01:48:38,700
those definitely help us survive.

2290
01:48:38,700 --> 01:48:40,060
Yeah.

2291
01:48:40,060 --> 01:48:41,900
All right, hit us, Dan.

2292
01:48:41,900 --> 01:48:42,740
Okay, I've got one here from-

2293
01:48:42,740 --> 01:48:44,100
You're up.

2294
01:48:44,100 --> 01:48:46,520
Hey, Linus and Luke, and behind the scenes people,

2295
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:47,980
liking the spooky WAN Show.

2296
01:48:47,980 --> 01:48:50,400
Yeah, should we go spooky for the rest of merch messages?

2297
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:51,240
Okay, sure.

2298
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:52,060
I'm down, let's do it, I'll do it.

2299
01:48:52,060 --> 01:48:53,860
No, no, you got it, you got your thing, you got your thing.

2300
01:48:53,860 --> 01:48:55,980
Okay, wanted to ask Linus

2301
01:48:55,980 --> 01:48:58,360
when the Secret Shopper Part Three is coming.

2302
01:48:58,360 --> 01:48:59,440
Oh, okay. Been waiting for a while.

2303
01:48:59,440 --> 01:49:00,940
So I wanted to interject on this one,

2304
01:49:00,940 --> 01:49:02,520
and I actually wanted to answer this one,

2305
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:03,740
although he's probably gonna say this, too.

2306
01:49:03,740 --> 01:49:05,160
He's probably gonna say the same thing.

2307
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:08,260
The whole point is that we can't tell you,

2308
01:49:08,260 --> 01:49:10,360
because the, and I wanted to make sure I said that

2309
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:11,760
before he potentially says something else.

2310
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:12,600
Okay, yeah, yeah.

2311
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:14,600
Because the companies can't know it's coming.

2312
01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:15,440
Yep.

2313
01:49:15,440 --> 01:49:16,260
So-

2314
01:49:16,260 --> 01:49:17,680
Has to be, boom, out of nowhere.

2315
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:18,520
Yep.

2316
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:20,300
You never expect the Spanish Inquisition.

2317
01:49:20,300 --> 01:49:23,140
Yeah, so sorry, but no.

2318
01:49:23,140 --> 01:49:25,100
Yeah, there will be another one.

2319
01:49:25,100 --> 01:49:26,560
It might be happening now.

2320
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:28,360
It might be happening in a couple of years.

2321
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:29,680
It might've happened already.

2322
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:30,520
Who knows?

2323
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:31,560
We might've filmed it all already.

2324
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:32,860
Can't tell you anything, I'm sorry.

2325
01:49:32,860 --> 01:49:34,460
Yeah.

2326
01:49:34,580 --> 01:49:35,740
Are you a mole?

2327
01:49:35,740 --> 01:49:37,280
Who do you work for?

2328
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:38,880
Is it iBUYPOWER?

2329
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:39,700
Is it Maingear?

2330
01:49:39,700 --> 01:49:40,780
Is it Dell?

2331
01:49:40,780 --> 01:49:42,440
Tell me!

2332
01:49:42,440 --> 01:49:43,280
No, it's not Dell.

2333
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:44,100
Dell doesn't care.

2334
01:49:46,100 --> 01:49:47,460
All right, I got another one here from Tom.

2335
01:49:47,460 --> 01:49:48,300
Hi, guys.

2336
01:49:48,300 --> 01:49:50,880
Do you think overclocking is slowly fading away

2337
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:53,640
now that CPUs and GPUs are already pushing the limits?

2338
01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:54,460
Yes.

2339
01:49:54,460 --> 01:49:55,300
Yes.

2340
01:49:55,300 --> 01:49:56,140
Easy, quick.

2341
01:49:56,140 --> 01:49:57,140
Got another one here from Jake.

2342
01:49:57,140 --> 01:49:57,960
Hi, Linus.

2343
01:49:57,960 --> 01:49:59,260
Do you seem to enjoy making some videos

2344
01:49:59,260 --> 01:50:00,420
a lot more than others,

2345
01:50:00,420 --> 01:50:03,140
like the recent chat GPT PC build?

2346
01:50:03,140 --> 01:50:04,180
Do you ever wish you could do

2347
01:50:04,180 --> 01:50:05,000
I've missed that.

2348
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:06,200
session project videos?

2349
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:09,420
And do you, would you need a smaller channel slash team

2350
01:50:09,420 --> 01:50:10,540
to be able to do so?

2351
01:50:10,540 --> 01:50:12,240
Merry Christmas all.

2352
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:14,420
I mean, you're already seeing that,

2353
01:50:14,420 --> 01:50:16,460
you're already seeing that process playing out, right?

2354
01:50:16,460 --> 01:50:18,500
Like that's where the smaller channels

2355
01:50:18,500 --> 01:50:19,800
like ShortCircuit are coming from.

2356
01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:21,500
ShortCircuit's a way for us to cover products

2357
01:50:21,500 --> 01:50:23,800
that just wouldn't get enough eyeballs on them

2358
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:25,460
to justify uploading to LTT

2359
01:50:25,460 --> 01:50:27,340
because it would just harm the channel.

2360
01:50:27,340 --> 01:50:29,380
And you're gonna see a lot more of it.

2361
01:50:29,380 --> 01:50:32,760
I think you can expect to see more niche channels

2362
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:34,960
as the lab team builds out their testing

2363
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:36,660
capabilities and we have all this data

2364
01:50:36,660 --> 01:50:38,340
and we need to publish it somehow, right?

2365
01:50:38,340 --> 01:50:39,160
Yeah.

2366
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:40,880
In text is great, but it doesn't make any money.

2367
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:43,420
So obviously we're gonna continue to do what we do best,

2368
01:50:43,420 --> 01:50:45,040
which is create video content.

2369
01:50:46,090 --> 01:50:50,390
So yeah, you're gonna see that a lot going forward.

2370
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:52,430
Now, with all of that said,

2371
01:50:52,430 --> 01:50:55,460
I think you might be getting a,

2372
01:50:55,460 --> 01:51:00,260
I may, I think sometimes people can get the wrong vibe

2373
01:51:00,260 --> 01:51:02,380
just because I take on, for example,

2374
01:51:02,380 --> 01:51:05,100
a more serious tone in a video doesn't mean I'm having, you know, a more serious tone in a video doesn't mean I'm having, you know, a more serious tone in a video doesn't mean I'm having, you know, a more serious tone in a video doesn't mean I'm having, you know,

2375
01:51:05,100 --> 01:51:07,180
less fun in the creation process

2376
01:51:07,180 --> 01:51:08,720
or that I don't think it's more important

2377
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:10,300
or that I don't think it's as important.

2378
01:51:10,300 --> 01:51:12,520
Sometimes I think it's more important,

2379
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:15,180
but you also can't have the same amount of fun

2380
01:51:15,180 --> 01:51:16,440
in everything you do.

2381
01:51:16,440 --> 01:51:19,400
So like if we were to go through the last few videos,

2382
01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:23,760
yeah, this doing everything the chat bot says was a blast

2383
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:26,400
because I'm super, super into this technology.

2384
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:28,560
And a lot of the time, you know,

2385
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:30,100
when we come up with a video concept,

2386
01:51:30,100 --> 01:51:33,100
the whole reason that we're doing it

2387
01:51:33,100 --> 01:51:35,100
is because it's something I want to talk

2388
01:51:35,100 --> 01:51:38,060
about and then we just need kind of a vehicle for that.

2389
01:51:38,060 --> 01:51:40,100
So building a computer was just an excuse

2390
01:51:40,100 --> 01:51:43,220
to talk about chat GPT in a mainline video.

2391
01:51:43,220 --> 01:51:44,520
This one I had a blast with.

2392
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:46,720
I mean, Jeff and I have never really gotten a chance

2393
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:50,600
to hang out outside of, you know, a few

2394
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:54,440
small encounters at like, you know, work events and stuff like that.

2395
01:51:54,440 --> 01:51:56,720
And so I always enjoy Intel Extreme Tech Upgrade.

2396
01:51:56,720 --> 01:51:58,340
And I think that comes through in the videos.

2397
01:51:58,340 --> 01:52:01,440
People love Intel Extreme Tech Upgrade.

2398
01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:03,300
This one was really stressful.

2399
01:52:03,300 --> 01:52:05,100
It was a really fun idea.

2400
01:52:05,100 --> 01:52:06,180
Like doing tech support.

2401
01:52:06,180 --> 01:52:09,860
But some of the tools we ran into some challenges

2402
01:52:09,860 --> 01:52:12,220
or rather the lines got flooded

2403
01:52:12,220 --> 01:52:15,220
and handling a flooded support line is like never fun.

2404
01:52:15,220 --> 01:52:17,300
So I think that did take a bit of the fun out of it.

2405
01:52:17,300 --> 01:52:19,100
There were elements of it that were super fun,

2406
01:52:19,100 --> 01:52:21,020
like Dr. Ian Cutress calling into the show.

2407
01:52:21,020 --> 01:52:24,680
And just bloody guy rolling you with like a crazy question.

2408
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:27,220
Hey, I got it, though. I'm feeling good about that.

2409
01:52:27,220 --> 01:52:28,480
It's pretty good.

2410
01:52:29,480 --> 01:52:31,760
Sponsored stuff is always challenging, right?

2411
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:35,060
Like I said, everything that I wanted to say,

2412
01:52:35,100 --> 01:52:39,020
but that back and forth, I'm so glad that I have a sales team

2413
01:52:39,020 --> 01:52:40,980
that kind of deals with all of that for me now,

2414
01:52:40,980 --> 01:52:43,940
where the brand will come and say, oh, we don't like the way you worded it.

2415
01:52:43,940 --> 01:52:45,300
And I'll say too bad.

2416
01:52:45,300 --> 01:52:49,480
And then our sales team gets to kind of play Messenger in between.

2417
01:52:49,480 --> 01:52:51,180
But this is a super cool monitor.

2418
01:52:51,180 --> 01:52:52,220
I had fun with that.

2419
01:52:52,220 --> 01:52:54,560
The fake merch, always a lot of fun for me.

2420
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:57,860
Working with the Hacksmith team, total blast.

2421
01:52:57,860 --> 01:53:01,600
Like there's nothing in here, this monitor, I was not that interested in.

2422
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:02,760
And then I actually used it.

2423
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:04,180
And all of a sudden I was like, whoa, this is super cool.

2424
01:53:04,180 --> 01:53:12,700
Love, I mean, we don't really make a lot of videos

2425
01:53:12,700 --> 01:53:16,080
about stuff that I'm not interested in.

2426
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:21,970
Because I hand select pretty much every topic.

2427
01:53:21,970 --> 01:53:25,880
Not all, but very many.

2428
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:28,640
Is there anything, okay, I did not hand select for us

2429
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:33,750
to forget about Luke's portion of the part one of the art challenge.

2430
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:34,750
This I hand selected.

2431
01:53:34,750 --> 01:53:36,590
This I hand selected.

2432
01:53:36,590 --> 01:53:37,750
This I didn't hand select.

2433
01:53:37,750 --> 01:53:38,910
This was pitched to me.

2434
01:53:38,910 --> 01:53:43,210
Tanner pitched this, adding USB-C to old consoles.

2435
01:53:43,210 --> 01:53:43,790
That was cool.

2436
01:53:43,790 --> 01:53:47,250
But when he pitched it, initially I was like, uh-huh, and?

2437
01:53:47,250 --> 01:53:49,910
And then when he explained it, I was like, whoa, that's so cool.

2438
01:53:49,910 --> 01:53:52,300
And so, yeah, I'm super into it.

2439
01:53:52,300 --> 01:53:52,840
You know what?

2440
01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:56,000
I think what you might see in a video like this is that I didn't get to play

2441
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:58,000
around with it firsthand as much.

2442
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:02,080
If I'd gotten to really play with it, I think you might have seen a bit more

2443
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:04,100
animation on my side.

2444
01:54:04,100 --> 01:54:04,600
Sometimes.

2445
01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:08,840
Sometimes it's the end of the day, and I'm kind of tired, like I'm doing my best.

2446
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:13,980
But no matter how enthusiastic I am about something, I still do have to present.

2447
01:54:13,980 --> 01:54:18,260
My job is not just as simple as being someone who's into this stuff and talking

2448
01:54:18,260 --> 01:54:22,980
about it, and I wish it was, because it'd be a lot easier to hire people to help me

2449
01:54:22,980 --> 01:54:24,100
with it.

2450
01:54:24,100 --> 01:54:25,760
But Luke knows.

2451
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:28,140
I mean, it's not something people can just pick up overnight.

2452
01:54:28,140 --> 01:54:28,900
Try it.

2453
01:54:28,900 --> 01:54:29,940
Go make a video.

2454
01:54:29,940 --> 01:54:30,940
It's really hard.

2455
01:54:30,940 --> 01:54:32,840
Try to get views on YouTube.

2456
01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:33,760
Yeah.

2457
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:38,380
It is a real job, and I'm glad that you almost never see that anymore.

2458
01:54:38,380 --> 01:54:42,720
You know, well, if you want to make money, get a real job instead of being a YouTuber.

2459
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:43,880
It is a real job.

2460
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:45,180
It's not easy.

2461
01:54:45,180 --> 01:54:47,710
Yeah.

2462
01:54:47,710 --> 01:54:50,910
The mood lighting is a throwback to when the power went out earlier on the show,

2463
01:54:50,910 --> 01:54:53,250
for those of you who are just joining us.

2464
01:54:53,250 --> 01:54:55,280
What else you got for us, Dan?

2465
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:57,980
OK, I got one here from Jose.

2466
01:54:57,980 --> 01:55:00,320
Oh, it's in, yeah, it's in Mexican.

2467
01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:02,780
Saludos desde Mexico.

2468
01:55:02,780 --> 01:55:03,860
I'm awful at this.

2469
01:55:03,860 --> 01:55:04,860
I hope you have a great holiday.

2470
01:55:04,860 --> 01:55:08,860
I would like to know how the dual audio project is going.

2471
01:55:08,860 --> 01:55:11,520
Love your videos, but some friends don't speak English,

2472
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:15,620
so the dub would help a lot to show this amazing channel.

2473
01:55:15,620 --> 01:55:17,000
Still in progress.

2474
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:20,340
I haven't gotten an update from Ed on it in the last little while,

2475
01:55:20,340 --> 01:55:24,260
but we've been just kind of trying to push through the product releases and

2476
01:55:24,260 --> 01:55:24,960
Q4 is a thing.

2477
01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:29,920
Limited people availability due to weather, due to the time of year.

2478
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:34,880
That's been a backburner project compared to LTT videos must be shot.

2479
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:38,920
Because that's ultimately what pays the bills.

2480
01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:41,920
So I wish I had an update for you, but I'm afraid that I don't for the moment.

2481
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:48,980
OK, I got another one here from Kevin.

2482
01:55:48,980 --> 01:55:51,660
Can you test whether lifting a laptop by its palm rest causes...

2483
01:55:51,660 --> 01:55:52,920
You answered this earlier, didn't you?

2484
01:55:52,920 --> 01:55:53,920
Yes.

2485
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:54,920
I probably didn't deal with it properly.

2486
01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:55,920
Cool idea.

2487
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:56,920
Anonymous.

2488
01:55:56,920 --> 01:55:59,340
Hey, guys, I'm waiting to get into IT soon.

2489
01:55:59,340 --> 01:56:03,220
And with the technical difficulties experienced tonight, I was wondering how help desk issues

2490
01:56:03,220 --> 01:56:04,220
are solved at LMG.

2491
01:56:04,220 --> 01:56:05,920
Oh, we did this one, too.

2492
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:06,920
OK, it's me.

2493
01:56:06,920 --> 01:56:07,920
Did you do that?

2494
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:08,920
Yeah.

2495
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:10,150
Did you do this one?

2496
01:56:10,150 --> 01:56:11,150
No.

2497
01:56:11,150 --> 01:56:12,150
Colin, shout out from Korea.

2498
01:56:12,150 --> 01:56:18,150
In VR benchmarks, there are different experiences based on hardware setups, and even minor hardware

2499
01:56:18,150 --> 01:56:21,150
changes have significant implications.

2500
01:56:21,150 --> 01:56:27,150
Given VR requires a human interaction, how would you try to objectively make a comparable

2501
01:56:27,150 --> 01:56:28,150
VR benchmark?

2502
01:56:28,150 --> 01:56:35,150
It's really challenging because the level of detail changes constantly and can change

2503
01:56:35,150 --> 01:56:38,150
depending on, like you said, a human interaction with the headset.

2504
01:56:38,150 --> 01:56:39,150
Or with the in-game environment.

2505
01:56:39,150 --> 01:56:40,150
We do have an expert on staff now.

2506
01:56:40,150 --> 01:56:41,150
I think he's actually in the chat.

2507
01:56:41,150 --> 01:56:42,150
Jake, are you in the chat?

2508
01:56:42,150 --> 01:56:43,150
Other, more different Jake, who has a lot of experience in machine vision from mobile

2509
01:56:43,150 --> 01:56:44,150
benchmarking, which has a lot of the same challenges.

2510
01:56:44,150 --> 01:56:45,150
And I think it's something that we're going to be able to solve in the long term, but

2511
01:56:45,150 --> 01:56:46,150
it's going to take some time.

2512
01:56:46,150 --> 01:56:47,150
OK.

2513
01:56:47,150 --> 01:56:48,150
Got another one here from Jay.

2514
01:56:48,150 --> 01:56:49,150
Hope Luke's house gets fixed quickly.

2515
01:56:49,150 --> 01:56:50,150
Me, too.

2516
01:56:50,150 --> 01:56:51,150
Do you think we'll ever start seeing a new house?

2517
01:56:51,150 --> 01:56:52,150
No.

2518
01:56:52,150 --> 01:56:53,150
No.

2519
01:56:53,150 --> 01:56:54,150
No.

2520
01:56:54,150 --> 01:56:55,150
No.

2521
01:56:55,150 --> 01:56:56,150
No.

2522
01:56:56,150 --> 01:56:57,150
No.

2523
01:56:57,150 --> 01:56:58,150
No.

2524
01:56:58,150 --> 01:56:59,150
No.

2525
01:56:59,150 --> 01:57:00,150
No.

2526
01:57:00,150 --> 01:57:01,150
No.

2527
01:57:01,150 --> 01:57:04,640
No.

2528
01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:05,640
No.

2529
01:57:05,640 --> 01:57:06,640
No.

2530
01:57:06,640 --> 01:57:07,640
No.

2531
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:08,640
No.

2532
01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:09,640
No.

2533
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:10,640
No.

2534
01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:11,640
No.

2535
01:57:11,640 --> 01:57:12,640
No.

2536
01:57:12,640 --> 01:57:13,640
No.

2537
01:57:13,640 --> 01:57:14,640
No.

2538
01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:15,640
No.

2539
01:57:15,640 --> 01:57:16,640
No.

2540
01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:17,640
No.

2541
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:18,640
No.

2542
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:19,640
No.

2543
01:57:19,640 --> 01:57:20,640
No.

2544
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:21,640
No.

2545
01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:22,640
No.

2546
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:23,640
No.

2547
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:24,640
No.

2548
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:25,640
No.

2549
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:26,640
No.

2550
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:27,640
No.

2551
01:57:27,640 --> 01:57:28,640
No.

2552
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:29,640
No.

2553
01:57:29,640 --> 01:57:30,640
No.

2554
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:31,640
No.

2555
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:32,640
No.

2556
01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:33,640
No.

2557
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:34,640
No.

2558
01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:35,640
No.

2559
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:36,640
No.

2560
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:37,640
No.

2561
01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:38,640
No.

2562
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:39,640
No.

2563
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:48,660
I think rather than create like the the memory cost is not a huge amount compared to the overall

2564
01:57:48,660 --> 01:57:55,200
bill of materials for our card over you know 250 300 which is almost all of them now so I don't

2565
01:57:55,200 --> 01:58:02,300
think it is worthwhile for our company to create these different SKUs unless they think there's a

2566
01:58:02,300 --> 01:58:10,200
very compelling competitive reason I think we've seen reactionary reactionary responses to a lower

2567
01:58:10,200 --> 01:58:17,520
end competitor with less VRAM for example to keep costs under control but very rarely do we see not

2568
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:23,640
at least since the 900 series I think very rarely do no 10 series had a 3 gig and a 6 gig version

2569
01:58:23,640 --> 01:58:28,420
of the 1060 if I recall correctly very rarely do we see NVIDIA go out of their way and AMD for that

2570
01:58:28,420 --> 01:58:35,400
matter to have different VRAM versions of their cards lately and yeah my my guess is just that

2571
01:58:35,400 --> 01:58:39,910
they don't want to support more versions of the SKU why have one that is

2572
01:58:39,910 --> 01:58:40,310
effectively more effective than the 1060 and the 1060 and the 1060 and the 1060 and the 1060 and

2573
01:58:40,310 --> 01:58:43,970
are effectively obsolete before the other one if it doesn't actually save that much on the bill of

2574
01:58:43,970 --> 01:58:50,450
materials the 3080 had 10 and 12 but those were not quite exactly the same card if I recall correctly

2575
01:58:50,450 --> 01:58:56,270
and again that different version kind of came along later it wasn't just yeah we've got an 8 gig

2576
01:58:56,270 --> 01:59:00,110
and a 4 gig version of this card right out of the gate like I think the last one I can remember that

2577
01:59:00,110 --> 01:59:06,530
was like that was the RX 480 I think just or 470 one of them I think just had a four and an 8 gig

2578
01:59:06,530 --> 01:59:14,140
version don't quote me on that though okay got another one here from anonymous Linus

2579
01:59:14,140 --> 01:59:19,180
Linus and Luke what would it take for me to get an LTT backpack signed by as many people on both

2580
01:59:19,180 --> 01:59:25,820
teams as possible go to LTX go to LTX yeah that's why I curated that question yeah that's your only

2581
01:59:25,820 --> 01:59:31,040
chance we literally don't even ship the products from this warehouse so how would I sign it yeah

2582
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:35,660
like I'm not in that I've been in that warehouse once yeah it's like actually not a thing but

2583
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:40,460
pretty much the whole team is going to be there I'm assuming I think a lot of people are I think

2584
01:59:40,460 --> 01:59:43,880
it's one of those things where you don't have to be there but you better not miss it kind of things

2585
01:59:44,300 --> 01:59:50,160
yeah kind of like the Christmas party yeah that one here from Nathan Merry Christmas LMG crew and

2586
01:59:50,160 --> 01:59:55,740
families has a standoff tool or set of standoff bits ever been considered for the screwdriver

2587
01:59:55,740 --> 02:00:00,360
found myself needing some when replacing a motherboard recently yeah it doesn't fit in

2588
02:00:00,360 --> 02:00:05,580
the built-in bit holder so once we have yeah once we have a separate bit holding mechanism

2589
02:00:05,580 --> 02:00:10,800
we will absolutely do some socketed bits totally makes sense matter of time this one's from David

2590
02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:14,820
hey guys I've recently developed an addiction to buying 4K Blu-rays

2591
02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:21,780
after throwing an LG OLED and svf speakers in my bedroom any favorite go-to movies for putting your

2592
02:00:21,780 --> 02:00:28,460
home theater to the test so far mine's been Pacific Rim not the best writing but man does it I thought

2593
02:00:28,460 --> 02:00:38,460
you might have a good answer oh yeah not really I just um there's some really cool scenes in that

2594
02:00:38,460 --> 02:00:45,660
weird horror uh horror movie with the with the cult um man I can't remember what it's a lot

2595
02:00:45,660 --> 02:00:47,920
of horror movies yeah but they've burned they burn a barn at the end I don't know if it's like it's a

2596
02:00:48,240 --> 02:00:55,020
know anyway i'm not sure um this looks looks really great in HDR yeah 1917 is definitely a

2597
02:00:55,020 --> 02:01:00,540
good one chats uh chats getting us some good ones i refuse to ever put the hobbit on any screen in

2598
02:01:00,540 --> 02:01:10,320
my house good so that's cool oh no yeah midsummer that's the one uh blade runner 2049 not a great

2599
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:15,160
one just the way it's mastered um we found out kind of later after it like it looks really great

2600
02:01:15,160 --> 02:01:21,500
but the way it's mastered doesn't really let um better HDR displays stretch their legs from my

2601
02:01:21,500 --> 02:01:34,600
understanding so we've we've stopped using it um yeah lala land is really beautiful yeah the

2602
02:01:34,600 --> 02:01:40,580
hurricane obviously you know since i own so many copies of it it's a whole thing i bought it on

2603
02:01:40,580 --> 02:01:50,900
dvhs for a video recently wow yeah it's worth watching dvhs is a hell of a drug okay i got

2604
02:01:50,900 --> 02:01:52,080
another one here what happened to the

2605
02:01:52,100 --> 02:01:56,760
GPU shirt design will it ever come back what happened to all of our shirt designs

2606
02:01:56,760 --> 02:02:05,260
right now we only have blank shirts i didn't know that yeah so our shirt printer our local

2607
02:02:05,260 --> 02:02:14,520
screen printer got evicted from his space um and like i don't know at risk of talking publicly

2608
02:02:14,520 --> 02:02:21,040
about you know dealings that have not been acknowledged publicly i'm just gonna say it

2609
02:02:21,040 --> 02:02:21,760
um

2610
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:30,260
i don't understand uh the response that um our screen printer gave us when we basically said

2611
02:02:30,260 --> 02:02:40,120
hey we've got lab one sitting empty why don't you lease from us and like we're some way over

2612
02:02:40,120 --> 02:02:48,580
50 of your business anyway so you know why don't we why don't why don't we just we we don't want

2613
02:02:48,580 --> 02:02:52,840
a disruption we don't have another source we don't want a disruption in your business you

2614
02:02:53,480 --> 02:02:55,140
know what i'm saying you know we don't want a disruption in your business obviously you know

2615
02:02:55,140 --> 02:02:58,660
we're gonna help take care of you because we don't want a disruption in your business

2616
02:02:58,660 --> 02:03:02,460
we know it muddies the waters a little bit but it would be at just it would be at a market rate

2617
02:03:02,460 --> 02:03:07,220
we're not looking to screw you over because we don't want any disruption to your business yeah

2618
02:03:07,220 --> 02:03:12,140
um you know the way that i saw it it would be more beneficial we'd have been happy to sign

2619
02:03:12,140 --> 02:03:18,060
a short-term lease uh just to make sure that there's no interruption to his business um

2620
02:03:18,060 --> 02:03:23,340
and basically the response was like from my point of view from like a from like a

2621
02:03:23,340 --> 02:03:28,340
a business planning standpoint i understand part of it you don't want to have too many eggs in one

2622
02:03:28,340 --> 02:03:33,020
basket you know you don't want to have that one client that's most of your sales and also your

2623
02:03:33,020 --> 02:03:41,130
landlord you know i like i get it but on the other hand your options are us or not running nothing

2624
02:03:41,130 --> 02:03:46,290
your business right now you could do like a one-year lease and figure it out after and like

2625
02:03:46,290 --> 02:03:52,330
we want to help you out um we've we've never done anything like evil to you so what makes you think

2626
02:03:52,330 --> 02:03:58,850
we're going to start now um so from from just like uh it seemed like a very emotional response

2627
02:03:58,850 --> 02:04:09,290
rather than a um uh a carefully considered response so i don't know uh we were looking

2628
02:04:09,290 --> 02:04:14,250
for alternatives we found one that's actually run by one of the companies that we work with

2629
02:04:14,250 --> 02:04:19,470
for overseas production but frankly and again no offense if you're watching this but the quality's

2630
02:04:22,750 --> 02:04:26,730
so we need something that matches what we were using before in terms of the quality

2631
02:04:26,730 --> 02:04:32,390
but we need we either need to find a new source for that or we need the person we've been working

2632
02:04:32,390 --> 02:04:38,110
with to pull his or her head out of their butt and figure out how to like actually print some

2633
02:04:38,110 --> 02:04:42,230
shirts instead of just like sitting and not printing shirts which is obviously not good

2634
02:04:42,230 --> 02:04:48,990
for their business um the badger hound says bro come on this is hubris that's a perfectly valid

2635
02:04:48,990 --> 02:04:52,350
reason you're just mad they said no well they should be mad they said no they are currently

2636
02:04:53,290 --> 02:04:59,050
working together it's not just for us for anyone that's not good that's bad um and like i said i

2637
02:04:59,050 --> 02:05:03,350
fully understand their discomfort which is why we were willing to offer a short-term lease nobody

2638
02:05:03,350 --> 02:05:09,110
does that uh maybe in the market you're in that's the thing uh here you you don't sign a one-year

2639
02:05:09,110 --> 02:05:13,970
commercial lease or anything like that less than what is it less than 0.1 i think commercial

2640
02:05:13,970 --> 02:05:18,910
vacancy yeah but it's one of those things where if we're if we're working together well we're

2641
02:05:18,910 --> 02:05:23,050
working together like you got to communicate you got to say look here are my concerns and we can do

2642
02:05:23,050 --> 02:05:23,270
what we can do and we can do what we can do and we can do what we can do and we can do what we can

2643
02:05:23,270 --> 02:05:27,670
to address it but if you're just going to kind of be irrational and just say no no i don't like it i

2644
02:05:27,670 --> 02:05:32,870
don't like i don't like it okay whatever then then i guess you're not printing shirts which is pretty

2645
02:05:32,870 --> 02:05:45,050
bad um oh next up yeah good luck with that got another one here from thomas hi Linus any update

2646
02:05:45,050 --> 02:05:49,690
on the summertime jacket hearing your thoughts on dealing with the hassle of sunscreen had hit

2647
02:05:49,690 --> 02:05:53,530
home for me would love to know if this is still happening or if it's just an idea

2648
02:05:54,250 --> 02:05:56,650
oh still happening yeah it should be out for next summer

2649
02:05:56,730 --> 02:06:01,370
uh the it's a great garment i absolutely love it i took it with me on my hawaii trip a little

2650
02:06:01,370 --> 02:06:10,520
while ago and was just just pleased his punch pleased his punch okay we've got one here from

2651
02:06:10,520 --> 02:06:16,940
seth i've been called petty what do you mean petty what are you talking about i'm telling you

2652
02:06:17,500 --> 02:06:26,060
facts you cannot like facts we tried to help offer a solution and it wasn't taken and now

2653
02:06:26,060 --> 02:06:30,620
it's really bad for everyone involved for everyone including the other person it's a

2654
02:06:30,700 --> 02:06:37,880
lose-lose nobody won what's pretty about it there's a uncomfortable or a lose-lose

2655
02:06:38,520 --> 02:06:41,640
yeah and the uncomfortable it's like yeah but you just got to like communicate it's

2656
02:06:41,640 --> 02:06:45,320
like any relationship you can just shut down

2657
02:06:48,200 --> 02:06:53,960
okay well then the relationship's over right or you work with people those are those are

2658
02:06:53,960 --> 02:07:03,340
really your only two options okay this one's from seth LTT video idea right ways of power management

2659
02:07:04,380 --> 02:07:10,540
tech ups surge protection went upgrade power to accommodate all the ltd talks about servers new

2660
02:07:10,540 --> 02:07:17,260
gen gaming pcs um yeah i mean really that's something that we're not going to be able to

2661
02:07:17,260 --> 02:07:21,660
cover in the kind of depth that we want to cover it until the psu tester is fully up and running

2662
02:07:21,660 --> 02:07:25,420
and maybe we have like a second one because it's going to be an enormous volume of devices to push

2663
02:07:25,420 --> 02:07:36,840
through it so in time in time okay i've got another one here from anonymous hey Linus i'm

2664
02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:42,120
absolutely loving the screwdriver i often find myself fidgeting with it instead of my usual

2665
02:07:42,120 --> 02:07:46,600
fidget toys and was wondering if you ever thought of making a high quality fidgets as i find a lot

2666
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:51,640
of them to be lower quality yes we are already planning a fidget toy using the exact same

2667
02:07:51,640 --> 02:07:55,800
ratchet from the screwdriver it's not going to be cheap because it's a super expensive part

2668
02:07:55,800 --> 02:08:00,040
but i'm not going to apologize for that because it's going to be the best darn fidget ratchet

2669
02:08:00,040 --> 02:08:06,980
on the market that's all we hear all the time sorry not sorry just buy buy another

2670
02:08:07,380 --> 02:08:13,700
driver yeah um this one's from jacob gift cards until i can get a backpack what is y'all's take

2671
02:08:13,700 --> 02:08:19,540
on development teams releasing games in alpha stages to sell copies for cash flow and spending

2672
02:08:19,540 --> 02:08:22,900
10 years without leaving alpha or just never finishing the game

2673
02:08:24,900 --> 02:08:31,140
sorry um are you saying tarkov i don't know what you're talking about yeah tarkov's still in beta

2674
02:08:31,140 --> 02:08:37,380
uh tarkov if i don't know if that's clue or sorry true if you google is tarkov still in

2675
02:08:37,380 --> 02:08:43,060
beta it says it's enclosed beta i don't think it's enclosed i was able to buy a license for it fine

2676
02:08:43,060 --> 02:08:46,980
just fine i don't think it's enclosed close to anyone who doesn't have a credit card and pays

2677
02:08:46,980 --> 02:08:52,660
the money yeah yeah there you go um minecraft was another fairly notorious one minecraft was

2678
02:08:52,660 --> 02:09:01,780
in beta for like an extremely long time um citizen star citizen yeah i i mean it's a

2679
02:09:01,780 --> 02:09:06,260
it's a thing and it's uh it's kind of frustrating but i can also understand

2680
02:09:07,380 --> 02:09:11,190
a lot of the reasons why if i had to be honest when we were starting out with this game

2681
02:09:11,190 --> 02:09:14,890
um there's a couple of things that i can i was impressed with the game itself

2682
02:09:14,890 --> 02:09:19,030
first and foremost because of the most pullback rate it has so i i'm going to say out of the

2683
02:09:19,030 --> 02:09:23,830
way i don't know if you have a video game that has that kind of a pullback rate with arena i

2684
02:09:23,830 --> 02:09:28,070
would say that arena has a pullback rate pretty large um for the development team woes especially

2685
02:09:28,070 --> 02:09:34,310
from actually no pretty much only from indie development studios if you're a indie development

2686
02:09:34,310 --> 02:09:38,070
studio you've got a few people on staff you have a certain um amount of time you could run for is that

2687
02:09:38,070 --> 02:09:41,670
which I mean, is true if you sell enough copies

2688
02:09:41,670 --> 02:09:43,150
to keep your company going

2689
02:09:43,150 --> 02:09:47,230
and suddenly is immediately not true if you don't.

2690
02:09:47,230 --> 02:09:48,730
Yeah, but then the flip side of that

2691
02:09:48,730 --> 02:09:49,990
is if you don't sell any copies,

2692
02:09:49,990 --> 02:09:51,810
then maybe it just never gets made at all.

2693
02:09:51,810 --> 02:09:54,330
So if it's your only way,

2694
02:09:54,330 --> 02:09:57,070
but then it feels like in some cases

2695
02:09:57,070 --> 02:09:58,750
it might not have been the only way.

2696
02:09:58,750 --> 02:10:00,930
Yeah, it can be a little bit gross,

2697
02:10:00,930 --> 02:10:02,150
but I think it's just something

2698
02:10:02,150 --> 02:10:03,650
we're gonna have to live with.

2699
02:10:06,640 --> 02:10:07,480
Did we lose power again?

2700
02:10:07,480 --> 02:10:08,320
We had a flash over.

2701
02:10:08,320 --> 02:10:09,180
We had a flicker?

2702
02:10:09,180 --> 02:10:10,020
Yeah.

2703
02:10:10,020 --> 02:10:10,860
It was just a brown up.

2704
02:10:10,860 --> 02:10:12,120
Oh, you can hear it.

2705
02:10:12,120 --> 02:10:13,440
Well, we're almost done.

2706
02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:14,280
All right, all right.

2707
02:10:14,280 --> 02:10:16,100
But yeah, I think sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

2708
02:10:16,100 --> 02:10:18,600
and I think sometimes it's abused and that is what it is.

2709
02:10:18,600 --> 02:10:21,520
Whoa, look at this.

2710
02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:23,800
Now would be a good time to insert ads.

2711
02:10:23,800 --> 02:10:25,520
There's a money button.

2712
02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:27,440
There's a money button.

2713
02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:29,220
Okay, hold on, let's do the math.

2714
02:10:29,220 --> 02:10:32,780
There's 9,900 viewers on YouTube.

2715
02:10:32,780 --> 02:10:35,400
Okay, hold on.

2716
02:10:35,400 --> 02:10:37,060
Okay, so what is it?

2717
02:10:37,060 --> 02:10:38,300
30 seconds for an ad.

2718
02:10:38,300 --> 02:10:43,300
So 0.5 minutes times 9,900 equals...

2719
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:46,660
Okay, so hold on a second.

2720
02:10:46,660 --> 02:10:47,500
What is this?

2721
02:10:47,500 --> 02:10:50,360
Okay, this is 4,950 minutes.

2722
02:10:50,360 --> 02:10:55,360
Okay, divided by 60 equals 82 hours, right?

2723
02:10:55,760 --> 02:10:57,200
Am I doing this right so far?

2724
02:10:57,200 --> 02:10:58,040
I think so, yeah.

2725
02:10:58,040 --> 02:11:00,640
Okay, divided by 24.

2726
02:11:00,640 --> 02:11:05,640
Okay, so it's 3.4 days, which is about 1% of a year.

2727
02:11:07,120 --> 02:11:08,300
Okay, so now hold on a second.

2728
02:11:08,300 --> 02:11:12,540
If we assume an average lifespan of about 75 years,

2729
02:11:12,540 --> 02:11:16,160
then that would be, let's say, so 1% of a year,

2730
02:11:16,160 --> 02:11:19,160
0.1% of 10 years, point...

2731
02:11:19,160 --> 02:11:24,060
About, let's say about 0.01% of a human lifetime, okay?

2732
02:11:24,060 --> 02:11:24,900
How much is that worth?

2733
02:11:24,900 --> 02:11:27,480
So if every time I press this button,

2734
02:11:27,480 --> 02:11:32,480
I killed 0.01% of a human, would I keep pressing this button?

2735
02:11:34,420 --> 02:11:35,980
Let's get into it.

2736
02:11:35,980 --> 02:11:37,080
Let's get into it.

2737
02:11:38,300 --> 02:11:41,400
Let's talk moral and ethical dilemmas.

2738
02:11:41,400 --> 02:11:42,520
Oh my goodness.

2739
02:11:44,580 --> 02:11:47,740
If you could kill 0.01% of a human

2740
02:11:47,740 --> 02:11:49,640
every time you pressed a button-

2741
02:11:49,640 --> 02:11:50,480
How much would that be worth to you?

2742
02:11:50,480 --> 02:11:53,300
And you never knew any of them except your mom,

2743
02:11:53,300 --> 02:11:55,260
who watches The Land Show,

2744
02:11:55,260 --> 02:11:57,040
would you keep pressing the button, Luke?

2745
02:11:57,040 --> 02:11:59,180
Oh my goodness.

2746
02:11:59,180 --> 02:12:04,080
That is a dark but somewhat accurate way to look at that.

2747
02:12:04,080 --> 02:12:04,920
Yeah.

2748
02:12:04,920 --> 02:12:05,760
As long as I carry the zero,

2749
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:07,460
yeah, I think it's a little bit less than that.

2750
02:12:07,460 --> 02:12:08,340
As the channel grows.

2751
02:12:08,340 --> 02:12:09,380
As the channel grows, man.

2752
02:12:09,380 --> 02:12:11,940
I would look at the cumulative hours

2753
02:12:11,940 --> 02:12:16,060
spent watching the content and I would do that math.

2754
02:12:16,060 --> 02:12:17,820
Like this is in the very early days and I'd go,

2755
02:12:17,820 --> 02:12:22,820
holy crap, LTT has consumed one lifetime.

2756
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:24,300
Now it's 10 lifetimes.

2757
02:12:24,300 --> 02:12:25,880
Now it's a hundred lifetimes.

2758
02:12:25,880 --> 02:12:26,720
And I'm-

2759
02:12:26,720 --> 02:12:29,300
X amount of lifetimes, like a week or a day or whatever.

2760
02:12:29,300 --> 02:12:33,040
It would make me think about the value of it, you know?

2761
02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:33,880
Yeah.

2762
02:12:33,880 --> 02:12:35,760
Are we putting, are we working hard enough

2763
02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:36,620
to make sure that like, like this cost?

2764
02:12:36,620 --> 02:12:37,520
Yeah.

2765
02:12:37,520 --> 02:12:38,380
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2766
02:12:38,400 --> 02:12:40,860
And I think I've talked a lot on the show before

2767
02:12:40,860 --> 02:12:45,160
about how a central aspect of my personal morals

2768
02:12:45,160 --> 02:12:49,340
and ethics is human cost, right?

2769
02:12:49,340 --> 02:12:53,800
So when you steal a pack of dental floss, you know,

2770
02:12:53,800 --> 02:12:55,540
what is the human cost of that?

2771
02:12:55,540 --> 02:12:57,660
You know, fairly negligible.

2772
02:12:57,660 --> 02:13:00,800
Whereas when you steal an amount that's like equivalent

2773
02:13:00,800 --> 02:13:03,200
to a year's work for someone, you know,

2774
02:13:03,200 --> 02:13:06,020
I see that as like 1 50th of murder,

2775
02:13:06,020 --> 02:13:07,280
if you get what I mean.

2776
02:13:07,280 --> 02:13:08,120
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2777
02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:12,340
So you spent that time of their life doing something

2778
02:13:12,340 --> 02:13:16,520
that was only to get their house or their car

2779
02:13:16,520 --> 02:13:17,360
or whatever else it is.

2780
02:13:17,360 --> 02:13:18,280
It might even be worse than that though.

2781
02:13:18,280 --> 02:13:20,540
You're, you are, you're effectively,

2782
02:13:20,540 --> 02:13:23,060
you're effectively stealing.

2783
02:13:23,060 --> 02:13:23,900
What is that?

2784
02:13:23,900 --> 02:13:25,820
You're effectively stealing life from them.

2785
02:13:25,820 --> 02:13:29,380
And so I would reflect on this number and go like,

2786
02:13:29,380 --> 02:13:31,580
am I stealing life or am I enriching it?

2787
02:13:31,580 --> 02:13:32,820
You know, I got to-

2788
02:13:32,820 --> 02:13:33,660
Yeah.

2789
02:13:33,660 --> 02:13:34,500
Whew.

2790
02:13:34,500 --> 02:13:35,400
Yeah.

2791
02:13:35,400 --> 02:13:36,240
I don't know, just the kind of stuff

2792
02:13:36,240 --> 02:13:39,090
that keeps me up at night, you know?

2793
02:13:39,970 --> 02:13:40,810
Anywho.

2794
02:13:42,390 --> 02:13:43,230
Moving on.

2795
02:13:44,160 --> 02:13:45,660
I have another one for Michael.

2796
02:13:45,660 --> 02:13:48,040
What's the best Christmas gift you guys have gotten

2797
02:13:48,040 --> 02:13:52,220
from each other other than that was not work related?

2798
02:13:52,220 --> 02:13:53,220
We don't give gifts to each other.

2799
02:13:53,220 --> 02:13:55,280
The gift of not having to worry about it.

2800
02:13:55,280 --> 02:13:56,560
Yeah. That's the best gift.

2801
02:13:56,560 --> 02:13:57,620
It is a pretty good gift.

2802
02:13:57,620 --> 02:13:59,440
Yeah. Hey Luke, guess what?

2803
02:13:59,440 --> 02:14:00,740
Merry Christmas. I got you nothing.

2804
02:14:00,740 --> 02:14:02,240
Merry Christmas, man. Me too.

2805
02:14:02,240 --> 02:14:05,580
I, I was trying to think when I, so I curated that one.

2806
02:14:05,580 --> 02:14:08,040
I was trying to think if there was something

2807
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:10,420
that we've ever like done.

2808
02:14:10,540 --> 02:14:15,290
But I think it's just always been-

2809
02:14:15,290 --> 02:14:16,570
Hey bro, I know you're busy.

2810
02:14:16,570 --> 02:14:17,410
Yeah.

2811
02:14:17,410 --> 02:14:18,230
Have a good one.

2812
02:14:18,230 --> 02:14:19,730
Yep. Which is solid.

2813
02:14:19,730 --> 02:14:20,570
Yeah.

2814
02:14:20,570 --> 02:14:21,410
That's a good way to go.

2815
02:14:21,410 --> 02:14:22,250
Yeah. It's good.

2816
02:14:22,250 --> 02:14:26,390
Yeah. We are, are, nope, I'm not going to say that.

2817
02:14:28,320 --> 02:14:29,320
I'll say this.

2818
02:14:29,320 --> 02:14:33,440
There are more people where I feel some amount of obligation

2819
02:14:33,440 --> 02:14:36,740
to give Christmas gifts to this year.

2820
02:14:36,740 --> 02:14:38,020
And it's a lot of people.

2821
02:14:38,020 --> 02:14:39,580
Yeah. It's a pain.

2822
02:14:39,580 --> 02:14:40,420
And like I-

2823
02:14:40,420 --> 02:14:41,260
I hate it.

2824
02:14:41,260 --> 02:14:42,420
I don't, I don't mind it as much as, as you do.

2825
02:14:42,420 --> 02:14:47,900
But at a certain point, I'm like trying to tally in my head.

2826
02:14:48,580 --> 02:14:52,340
I'm like, have I completed my shopping

2827
02:14:52,340 --> 02:14:53,640
for all these different people?

2828
02:14:53,640 --> 02:14:57,060
And I'm like, this is a lot of people.

2829
02:14:57,060 --> 02:14:58,600
And then trying to keep track of that.

2830
02:14:58,600 --> 02:15:00,880
And you don't want to just like run to a mall

2831
02:15:00,880 --> 02:15:03,140
and buy garbage the week before Christmas.

2832
02:15:03,140 --> 02:15:05,020
So you try to think about it like throughout the year.

2833
02:15:05,020 --> 02:15:06,800
And it's like, man, there's a lot of things to,

2834
02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:08,950
to like keep track of.

2835
02:15:08,950 --> 02:15:10,610
Yeah. But yeah.

2836
02:15:10,610 --> 02:15:12,470
My family's been talking about trying to like,

2837
02:15:12,470 --> 02:15:13,950
reduce and stuff.

2838
02:15:13,950 --> 02:15:17,230
Cause we like something that we do is we try to reuse

2839
02:15:17,230 --> 02:15:19,010
Christmas packing as much as possible.

2840
02:15:19,010 --> 02:15:19,890
Yeah.

2841
02:15:19,890 --> 02:15:23,230
So like brown paper bags are used very often.

2842
02:15:23,230 --> 02:15:25,030
Last year's tags that you put on things.

2843
02:15:25,030 --> 02:15:25,870
For sure.

2844
02:15:25,870 --> 02:15:27,350
We just put them in a box and you just re-tape it on.

2845
02:15:27,350 --> 02:15:28,190
Like, who cares?

2846
02:15:28,190 --> 02:15:30,370
We try to do stuff like that to make it less of a waste.

2847
02:15:30,370 --> 02:15:33,090
And we've all been communicating to each other

2848
02:15:33,090 --> 02:15:35,350
for a while now to like, don't try,

2849
02:15:35,350 --> 02:15:37,630
try to really avoid buying people things

2850
02:15:37,630 --> 02:15:39,770
that are likely going to end up being garbage.

2851
02:15:39,770 --> 02:15:40,610
Yeah. Right.

2852
02:15:40,610 --> 02:15:42,450
But we're-

2853
02:15:42,470 --> 02:15:44,270
we're probably going to continue down,

2854
02:15:44,270 --> 02:15:46,130
continue down that path to a certain degree.

2855
02:15:46,130 --> 02:15:46,970
Yeah.

2856
02:15:46,970 --> 02:15:48,970
We use a newspaper in my family.

2857
02:15:48,970 --> 02:15:50,090
Cool. Yeah. That's a good one.

2858
02:15:50,090 --> 02:15:52,230
We've run out of newspaper.

2859
02:15:52,230 --> 02:15:53,190
It's become a problem.

2860
02:15:53,190 --> 02:15:54,610
The only thing newspaper is good for.

2861
02:15:54,610 --> 02:15:56,430
So it makes sense that it's all getting used

2862
02:15:56,430 --> 02:15:57,270
to wrap presents.

2863
02:15:57,270 --> 02:15:58,090
Yep.

2864
02:15:58,090 --> 02:16:00,190
We used to use the comics pages specifically.

2865
02:16:00,190 --> 02:16:01,030
That's cool.

2866
02:16:01,030 --> 02:16:01,870
That's actually nice.

2867
02:16:01,870 --> 02:16:02,750
Yeah. That's actually pretty sweet.

2868
02:16:02,750 --> 02:16:04,970
Yeah. I try and do the princess auto for dad.

2869
02:16:04,970 --> 02:16:08,750
And then like, you know, anyway, this one's from Zachary.

2870
02:16:08,750 --> 02:16:11,910
Will you publish an external 3D model of the screwdriver?

2871
02:16:11,910 --> 02:16:13,910
Publishing the model is common in industry

2872
02:16:13,910 --> 02:16:16,950
and it would facilitate 3D printed LTT driver case

2873
02:16:16,950 --> 02:16:17,950
I'm designing.

2874
02:16:17,950 --> 02:16:21,810
PS, why no PH00, Phillips double zero

2875
02:16:21,810 --> 02:16:24,410
or PH triple zero bits in the Phillips set?

2876
02:16:24,410 --> 02:16:26,570
All right. You got a couple of questions here.

2877
02:16:26,570 --> 02:16:29,530
Yes, we have considered publishing an external 3D model

2878
02:16:29,530 --> 02:16:30,810
of the screwdriver.

2879
02:16:30,810 --> 02:16:33,550
We need to make sure that we have the proper authorization

2880
02:16:33,550 --> 02:16:35,730
from the other parties involved in the design.

2881
02:16:35,730 --> 02:16:37,890
So whatever we might feel about it, we,

2882
02:16:37,890 --> 02:16:39,310
it was a collaborative product.

2883
02:16:39,310 --> 02:16:41,670
So we need to make sure that everybody's on the same page.

2884
02:16:41,910 --> 02:16:46,410
Yeah. We'd, we'd love to make your life easier

2885
02:16:47,330 --> 02:16:49,750
for, for 3D printing the driver case you're designing.

2886
02:16:49,750 --> 02:16:54,750
So stay, stay tuned as for why no precision bits it's

2887
02:16:55,450 --> 02:16:58,030
because it's really not the intended use case of the product.

2888
02:16:58,030 --> 02:17:00,530
And we don't wanna encourage people to over-torque those kinds

2889
02:17:00,530 --> 02:17:03,290
of products with a, with a big old honking screwdriver.

2890
02:17:03,290 --> 02:17:06,370
That's really more for like computer work,

2891
02:17:06,370 --> 02:17:08,990
utility work around the house, automotive work.

2892
02:17:10,340 --> 02:17:11,100
That's why.

2893
02:17:11,100 --> 02:17:12,880
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2894
02:17:12,900 --> 02:17:17,140
tuned though our plan is to have a product where that type of a bit would be more appropriate

2895
02:17:19,770 --> 02:17:25,370
okay this one's from aj how did luke become the ceo of Floatplane were you offered the job or did

2896
02:17:25,370 --> 02:17:31,290
you apply ask for it i've heard you talk about coding development before did you do that before

2897
02:17:31,290 --> 02:17:38,090
you started working at ltd i find it very thematic uh that this came from a person named aj as aj was

2898
02:17:38,090 --> 02:17:44,730
the first person that we hired for the project and is still uh lucky instrument luckily to me

2899
02:17:44,730 --> 02:17:50,570
instrumental and is still working on the project um i am not tonight i am yeah he's bailing us out

2900
02:17:50,570 --> 02:17:55,610
potentially right now actually because as far as i know he can't download this second one until

2901
02:17:55,610 --> 02:17:59,930
we're done oh we should finish this he's on east coast time we should so we actually should close

2902
02:17:59,930 --> 02:18:07,290
this shout out aj thanks aj sorry thank you thank you this is not the first time and it will not be

2903
02:18:07,290 --> 02:18:07,930
the last time

2904
02:18:08,090 --> 02:18:16,490
that i call aj out of nowhere and i'm like hey uh i need you to save me uh he's in chat yeah hi

2905
02:18:17,690 --> 02:18:19,050
sorry thank you

2906
02:18:21,050 --> 02:18:28,010
um yeah uh i so i'm not the ceo of Floatplane um how is i how did i get the job well oh oh

2907
02:18:28,010 --> 02:18:35,610
yes i'm ceo and probably cto too is that official or is that just no effective i mean yeah he runs

2908
02:18:35,610 --> 02:18:37,770
it um let's put it that way yeah i

2909
02:18:38,250 --> 02:18:43,050
so when vessel went down vessel was a platform that we used to be on that did early access

2910
02:18:43,050 --> 02:18:48,090
video or whatever when vessel went down we started a thing on the forum which was just a sub part of

2911
02:18:48,090 --> 02:18:54,570
the forum called rip vessel and i found a way to mess with the forum software that we had to force

2912
02:18:54,570 --> 02:19:00,410
video to sort of maybe kind of go through it the idea was that people could download it and that

2913
02:19:00,410 --> 02:19:06,170
sort of worked and then we realized by accident that a bunch of browsers do you remember this

2914
02:19:06,170 --> 02:19:07,210
a bunch of browsers

2915
02:19:08,090 --> 02:19:11,690
would determine that they could just stream the video yeah as a download

2916
02:19:13,290 --> 02:19:18,250
s yeah it would just like play it and we were like wait what is it that easy that's pretty cool

2917
02:19:18,250 --> 02:19:21,290
this should be really easy to do and then uh spoiler alert

2918
02:19:22,570 --> 02:19:30,810
it's really hard um and then pretty early in i was like whoa i have no idea what i'm doing

2919
02:19:30,810 --> 02:19:37,290
uh and aj actually posted a big like i think it was a google doc that he shared

2920
02:19:38,090 --> 02:19:43,250
think that's how it was done, but he posted a big thing on the forum being like, uh, yeah,

2921
02:19:43,250 --> 02:19:49,450
by the way, here's a plan for like, probably a better, more proper way of doing what you're

2922
02:19:49,450 --> 02:19:57,910
trying to do. Um, and it was fairly similar to what Jake, Jake Tyvie and I had kind of

2923
02:19:57,910 --> 02:20:02,090
come up with, but again, we weren't really prepared and AJ's proposal for it was like

2924
02:20:02,090 --> 02:20:07,210
way better. So I was like, Hey, help me. Um, and then we've just been sort of doing it

2925
02:20:07,210 --> 02:20:11,110
ever since there was never really, I don't think there was ever really like I didn't

2926
02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:16,750
apply for it. I don't think I asked for it. Oh, definitely not. It just, yeah, it's, it

2927
02:20:16,750 --> 02:20:22,210
just sort of happened. It was a revenue source that we had absolutely no replacement for

2928
02:20:22,210 --> 02:20:27,910
that time. We really needed one that we needed and there was no other platform that was really

2929
02:20:27,910 --> 02:20:32,570
doing what vessel was doing. So we needed to port people somewhere and we needed it

2930
02:20:32,570 --> 02:20:35,890
now, which basically meant we needed to develop it internally.

2931
02:20:35,890 --> 02:20:37,190
And I was the only person who

2932
02:20:37,190 --> 02:20:41,350
had any chance and I barely had a chance and then AJ bailed me out. And then we brought

2933
02:20:41,350 --> 02:20:46,650
on, uh, Yuki not way too long after that, both of those peeps are still on the team

2934
02:20:46,650 --> 02:20:52,110
and still killing it. Um, and we would be nowhere without them. Um, and then we brought

2935
02:20:52,110 --> 02:20:55,830
up other people along the way and now we're here. I don't know. It just, it just, it sort

2936
02:20:55,830 --> 02:21:02,890
of happened. It was very not formal. I'll say that much next step.

2937
02:21:02,890 --> 02:21:08,090
All right. This is for Luke. Hey, okay. You pretty clearly play have played D and D or

2938
02:21:08,090 --> 02:21:08,950
other tabletop games.

2939
02:21:08,950 --> 02:21:10,350
I mean, I don't know if you've ever played a tabletop role-playing games. Could you talk

2940
02:21:10,350 --> 02:21:11,350
about that?

2941
02:21:11,350 --> 02:21:15,790
Sure. I'll, I'll try to make it relatively short. Played a bit of D and D in high school,

2942
02:21:15,790 --> 02:21:20,050
played a bit of D and D in university, played a bit of D and D after university. Never like

2943
02:21:20,050 --> 02:21:23,430
super seriously, always very socially. Um,

2944
02:21:23,430 --> 02:21:31,100
Oh, oh, oh, hot take spicy Luke coming out right at the end of the show.

2945
02:21:31,100 --> 02:21:37,500
No, no, it's sad. Luke. Oh, um, I, I rekindled the fire for that with Tyler.

2946
02:21:37,500 --> 02:21:39,960
Okay. Sorry. Yeah. Um,

2947
02:21:40,100 --> 02:21:48,860
So it's a bit of a sore topic for me now because I miss Tyler. Um, but I eventually, um, while

2948
02:21:48,860 --> 02:21:53,260
knowing Tyler and I actually got Tyler kind of into it and he ended up running a campaign

2949
02:21:53,260 --> 02:21:56,680
of this, um, without me, cause I couldn't play on the night that he wanted to run it

2950
02:21:56,680 --> 02:22:01,760
and stuff, but we used to talk about this stuff all the time. Um, but I ended up playing

2951
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:07,860
edge of the empire with, uh, my brother and a couple of my, uh, my other friends and edge

2952
02:22:07,860 --> 02:22:09,060
of the empire was really fantastic.

2953
02:22:09,060 --> 02:22:10,060
I like it.

2954
02:22:10,060 --> 02:22:15,000
I like it a lot because of how the dice work, because unlike with D and D where you have

2955
02:22:15,000 --> 02:22:22,610
like your chance and your damage, um, in edge of the empire, you have, if I remember correctly,

2956
02:22:22,610 --> 02:22:29,270
it's it's like damage dice. And then, oh man, it's been a long time since I played. So I'm

2957
02:22:29,270 --> 02:22:33,190
going to say this wrong, but it's, it's like opportunity basically. And your dice have

2958
02:22:33,190 --> 02:22:37,710
to roll against each other. So you have, you have pluses and minuses for each type. So

2959
02:22:37,710 --> 02:22:41,750
if you, if you, uh, say you were, uh, this is edge of the empire.

2960
02:22:41,750 --> 02:22:45,750
So it's a lot of like scoundrels and whatnot. So say you had like you're a hand solo type

2961
02:22:45,750 --> 02:22:49,710
character, you've got a pistol, you're trying to shoot something that's down a hallway.

2962
02:22:49,710 --> 02:22:56,090
Um, and you're, you're not going to do any damage. Your damage dice come up with, uh,

2963
02:22:56,090 --> 02:23:01,950
zero or less than zero, but your, your advantage or disadvantage or whatever it was, it was

2964
02:23:01,950 --> 02:23:07,290
called, um, dice came up with a large advantage. So now you have to come up with something

2965
02:23:07,290 --> 02:23:08,290
that might be advantageous.

2966
02:23:08,290 --> 02:23:11,750
And you think about the star Wars universe and you're like, okay, well the shot missed,

2967
02:23:11,750 --> 02:23:15,810
it didn't hit the target that I wanted to hit, but let's have it hit the control panel.

2968
02:23:15,810 --> 02:23:19,920
That's next to the door. So now the door closes on the person that's trying to run away from

2969
02:23:19,920 --> 02:23:26,020
me and you can do cool, like thematic storytelling things through your dice rolls. And I really

2970
02:23:26,020 --> 02:23:29,320
thought that was very cool. That added an element that I always felt was missing from

2971
02:23:29,320 --> 02:23:30,320
D and D.

2972
02:23:30,320 --> 02:23:34,860
Um, and yeah, I used to, I used to nerd out about that, um, with Tyler and then he ended

2973
02:23:34,860 --> 02:23:39,540
up running a campaign and I, I believe they liked it. I think, uh, Alex Clark played in

2974
02:23:39,540 --> 02:23:40,920
that campaign.

2975
02:23:40,920 --> 02:23:41,800
I think. I don't know.

2976
02:23:41,800 --> 02:23:42,800
I don't fully remember.

2977
02:23:42,800 --> 02:23:43,800
Oh, I'm not sure.

2978
02:23:43,800 --> 02:23:49,020
Um, but yeah, it was a long time ago, but yeah. Yeah. I've always played those games

2979
02:23:49,020 --> 02:23:53,120
socially. I, I care a lot less for the game than I do for the people that I'm usually

2980
02:23:53,120 --> 02:23:56,840
playing it with.

2981
02:23:56,840 --> 02:24:01,840
And last one today's from Matthew. Hi Linus and Luke. It's Matt from the call challenge

2982
02:24:01,840 --> 02:24:05,660
video. What's the deal with the beef between you and D brand? Are you longtime friends

2983
02:24:05,660 --> 02:24:07,500
or is it just something fun you do now?

2984
02:24:07,500 --> 02:24:08,500
I hate those guys.

2985
02:24:08,500 --> 02:24:10,370
Does my bleep button work?

2986
02:24:10,370 --> 02:24:13,210
you D brand.

2987
02:24:13,210 --> 02:24:15,090
Seems to work.

2988
02:24:15,090 --> 02:24:16,530
Go yourself. D brand.

2989
02:24:16,530 --> 02:24:20,590
I think my favorite ad spot I've ever done was for D brand. Do you remember this? We

2990
02:24:20,590 --> 02:24:22,850
were at, I had no authorization to do this.

2991
02:24:22,850 --> 02:24:25,290
I don't watch ad spots for D brand because those guys.

2992
02:24:25,290 --> 02:24:33,330
Fair enough. Uh, we were at CES back in the day and it was like only sponsored by D brand

2993
02:24:33,330 --> 02:24:36,890
or something. So every video had a D brand sponsorship on it. And I was trying to make

2994
02:24:36,890 --> 02:24:41,130
each one of them different. And I just ran out of ideas and eventually just said D brand

2995
02:24:41,130 --> 02:24:44,090
like 30 times and gave no other information or context.

2996
02:24:44,090 --> 02:24:52,990
And they loved it. So I was like, sweet. Yeah. I think if that was a lot of other brands,

2997
02:24:52,990 --> 02:24:57,430
they probably wouldn't have been too impressed, but, uh, I had a, I had a hunch they'd roll

2998
02:24:57,430 --> 02:25:03,000
with it and they did, which was cool, but yeah, screw those guys.

2999
02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:11,620
Um, if D brand gets their way, I will be telling you guys about the car soon enough. Um, they,

3000
02:25:11,620 --> 02:25:14,140
they, uh,

3001
02:25:14,140 --> 02:25:15,140
oh,

3002
02:25:16,640 --> 02:25:26,050
why can't i resist their money yes this okay okay okay this is why i love those guys

3003
02:25:28,530 --> 02:25:40,110
oh my god oh my god they want me to put the most ass possible skin what is it can you say what it

3004
02:25:40,110 --> 02:25:46,190
is it's like just like your own face a bunch of times no no no it's an actual product that

3005
02:25:46,190 --> 02:25:55,870
is the kind of thing that might be fine in small doses but over an enormous enormous

3006
02:25:57,470 --> 02:26:04,750
vehicle might be a little much oh my goodness that actually might look super cool

3007
02:26:05,310 --> 02:26:09,230
but it might look super cool to see on a car one time and not look super cool

3008
02:26:09,950 --> 02:26:16,980
to be on your car permanently yeah so i'm uh

3009
02:26:18,100 --> 02:26:24,180
uh yes oh my goodness they're so annoying because they'll be like they'll be like hey

3010
02:26:25,580 --> 02:26:28,060
no it'd be funny you want to drink a bunch of energy drinks

3011
02:26:29,660 --> 02:26:36,940
hey want to do something totally stupid and i'm like no not really and they're like i'll pay more

3012
02:26:41,740 --> 02:26:47,660
oh so good so good so we'll see how it goes it makes in their defense it

3013
02:26:47,660 --> 02:26:47,740
makes it makes it makes it makes it makes it makes it makes it makes it makes it makes it makes it

3014
02:26:47,740 --> 02:26:50,860
makes stuff work because it's going to stand out it's going to be interesting it's going to be

3015
02:26:50,860 --> 02:26:54,460
punchy people are going to be interested in it but it's all stuff you're not going to want to do

3016
02:26:55,180 --> 02:27:01,250
uh so yeah you got to pay more but i mean yeah gets it done all right see you later guys

3017
02:27:04,050 --> 02:27:29,920
bye the show is brought to you by see sonic zoho one and vessi footwear

3018
02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:36,080
oh i never said see you again next week same bad time same bad channel i didn't say it

3019
02:27:36,080 --> 02:27:38,080
yeah