WEBVTT 00:00:00.359 --> 00:00:07.359 our coverage of computex 2017 is brought to you by the Corsair one and Synergy 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:13.120 you can check them out at the link in the video description I have been 00:00:10.160 --> 00:00:19.520 conspicuously silent about Intel's new high-end desktop x299 platform and the 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:23.160 CPUs that they just announced to go with 00:00:19.520 --> 00:00:25.640 it and this was on purpose but probably 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:30.679 not for the reasons that you think I've spent the last few days walking the show 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:36.280 floor chatting with industry folks and generally trying to wrap my head around 00:00:33.239 --> 00:00:39.280 what the actual hell it is that Intel's 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:42.039 trying to do with this launch before we 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:47.800 get into that though a primer on x299 so socket 2011 V3 is old news 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:55.199 socket 2066 is the hot new girl in class with 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:58.120 the new chipset come support for up to 7 00:00:55.199 --> 00:01:06.960 Series Skylake based Intel Core I9 processors we get up to quad Channel 00:01:01.800 --> 00:01:11.320 ddr4 memory running at up to ddr4 2666 00:01:06.960 --> 00:01:15.040 MHz we get up to 44 PCI Express Lanes 00:01:11.320 --> 00:01:17.280 for massive expansion up to greatly 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:25.720 expanded NVMe and obtained storage capabilities and up to two preferred 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:28.400 turbo Max cores that run at higher boost 00:01:25.720 --> 00:01:32.520 frequencies well what's with all this up to 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:37.680 I'll get to that first let's take a look at the boards so Intel's Partners have 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:42.960 been out in full force with support for this new tech ASUS was showing about 00:01:40.880 --> 00:01:48.759 half a dozen boards based on the same basic DNA each with some standout 00:01:45.360 --> 00:01:50.880 features the Rampage 6 Extreme includes 00:01:48.759 --> 00:01:56.039 dual water flow sensors to go with the pump headers that are standard on this 00:01:53.079 --> 00:02:01.520 generation their Deluxe board includes 802.11 ad multi- gigb Wireless and an 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:07.200 OLED Post in system monitoring display and the tough Mark 1 comes with an the 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:11.520 usual extra thermal sensors Tough Armor 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:14.080 and a freaking graphics card seg holder 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:18.800 gigabytes digital RGB header allows lighting effects with individually 00:02:15.640 --> 00:02:20.879 addressable LED strips their smart fan 5 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:26.400 software now allows fans to be turned off outright if system temperatures 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:30.160 allow it a huge boom to silence Freaks 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:33.040 Like Me they've gone Ham on USB 3. one 00:02:30.160 --> 00:02:38.840 10 GB ports including like the others support for the new type-c front panel 00:02:35.440 --> 00:02:41.680 spec and they were showing off four PCIe 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:45.879 NVMe ssds running in raid which in of itself isn't exactly groundbreaking but 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:53.080 the fact that they were running off of the CPU and they were 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:55.360 bootable is MSI on the subject of NVMe 00:02:53.080 --> 00:03:02.200 has boards with Native support for up to five m.2 ssds and is putting a really 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:04.080 strong emphasis on cooling for them like 00:03:02.200 --> 00:03:07.959 everyone else they've given a lot of thought to the Aesthetics of their 00:03:05.519 --> 00:03:14.000 boards you can even 3D print accessories from templates and swap cooler covers in 00:03:10.640 --> 00:03:16.319 some cases and unlike everybody else 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:22.360 this is interesting they've got a white or red LED that tells you what kind of 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:26.959 CPU you've got installed and in turn then how many of the features that 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:31.879 you're looking at on the board are actually going to be enabled which I 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:36.840 guess brings us to a fairly natural conclusion to the nicely scripted part 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:41.120 of this video because I've got some rough notes for some other stuff that 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:45.599 I've got to get off my back but to do that I think it's probably better if we 00:03:42.959 --> 00:03:45.599 go for a little 00:03:49.799 --> 00:03:56.760 walk going back to my earlier question 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:58.920 uh what what is this platform quite 00:03:56.760 --> 00:04:03.840 honestly what it looks like to me is that Intel the themselves can't really 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:10.360 decide it's like they've changed their mind multiple times and the whole thing 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:17.160 just seems like this this knee-jerk reaction to AMD's announcement of their 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:19.199 up to 16 core 32 thread Threadripper 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:25.720 platform and then I mean some of the things they're doing look just kind of 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:29.120 like a a a half desperate attempt to 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:30.560 appease enthusiasts and Gamers who if 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:34.880 they feel anything anything like me where you know the mainstream's been 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:40.000 stuck with quad core processors for the last 10 years and even on the Enthusiast 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:44.360 level we're lucky to get another two cores and last time around we even had 00:04:42.520 --> 00:04:49.759 to pay another $700 just for the privilege of going 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:54.759 from 8 to 10 cores with the new Broadwell E Generation I mean to be 00:04:52.199 --> 00:05:00.199 clear for me personally a lot of this stuff can only be good I mean High Core 00:04:57.080 --> 00:05:02.320 count overclockable water cooled servers 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:08.520 that's that's right in my wheelhouse that's perfect and when you're someone 00:05:04.440 --> 00:05:11.039 who doesn't pay for Hardware then uh 00:05:08.520 --> 00:05:16.400 it's expensive no problem I mean not to mention that as a hardware Enthusiast 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:21.400 I'm not going to be struggling to pair the correct board and the correct memory 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:25.520 and the correct CPU together to make sure that I'm getting the most out of 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:29.960 the entire platform cuz honestly that's one of the biggest problems with the 00:05:27.039 --> 00:05:37.440 platform right now it's really conf confusing KB Lake X muddies the waters 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:41.280 in a way that just makes absolutely no 00:05:37.440 --> 00:05:43.080 sense for Intel to do I mean I've spoken 00:05:41.280 --> 00:05:47.160 to system integrators here at the show I'm not going to name them by name or 00:05:44.400 --> 00:05:52.400 anything but they flat out said we're not going to support this this aspect of 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:59.120 the platform is a mess because what is kbl LX like on the surface it sounds 00:05:57.520 --> 00:06:04.280 like they've gone ahead and they've added latest 00:06:00.960 --> 00:06:06.880 architecture to this platform in some 00:06:04.280 --> 00:06:11.360 you know amazing wow we engineered a new generation overnight kind of way but 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:16.880 what actually happened was they took the existing kbl Lake processors on the 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:19.319 mainstream platform and just like 00:06:16.880 --> 00:06:27.120 stapled them on to socket 2066 the only difference between the 00:06:22.440 --> 00:06:31.000 7740 and the 7640 compared to the socket 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:34.759 1151 versions is that they rated at uh 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:37.560 20 W higher tdps they're clocked 100 MHz 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:43.520 higher and Intel is promising uh better overclocking on them but at the end of 00:06:40.280 --> 00:06:46.800 the day am I going to spend another $100 00:06:43.520 --> 00:06:50.280 on a board just for that and why on 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:52.440 Earth would Intel neuter all the 00:06:50.280 --> 00:06:57.759 features on the motherboard just for the sake of me being able to run a chip at 00:06:55.319 --> 00:07:03.440 like a little bit higher frequency they don't have more PCI express lanes 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:08.319 they've still only got 16 and making matters even more confusing they only 00:07:05.840 --> 00:07:14.520 run dual Channel memory still so when you go and you buy an x299 motherboard 00:07:11.520 --> 00:07:17.479 it can have anywhere from four to eight 00:07:14.520 --> 00:07:24.440 memory slots on it which might support two sets of dual Channel memory a single 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:26.759 set of quad Channel memory or two sets 00:07:24.440 --> 00:07:32.479 of quad Channel memory so you might actually have dim slots that don't work 00:07:29.080 --> 00:07:35.520 if you install a KB Lake X CPU oh and I 00:07:32.479 --> 00:07:38.599 mean right this is crazy too I even 00:07:35.520 --> 00:07:40.360 forgot the part how x299 boards aren't 00:07:38.599 --> 00:07:44.960 going to have all the connectors for onboard Graphics so the onboard Graphics 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:49.759 are fused off which wouldn't inherently be a huge problem I expect someone 00:07:46.599 --> 00:07:52.720 spending you know 300 to $600 on a 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:56.319 motherboard to buy a dedicated graphics card but the issue is that then you 00:07:54.479 --> 00:08:01.159 can't even use features that you would be able to on the mainstream platform 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:09.039 like uh Quicks sync for example that rely on the integrated GPU in order to 00:08:03.960 --> 00:08:11.440 function kbl Lake just makes no sense at 00:08:09.039 --> 00:08:15.919 all okay so now let's talk about those reactionary High Core count CPUs again 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:20.080 I'm not complaining an 18 Core Extreme Edition that's overclockable sounds 00:08:18.039 --> 00:08:25.240 great to me but everyone in their dog knows that Intel was only planning to 00:08:21.960 --> 00:08:27.879 use the low core count version of their 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:34.000 xon processors to create their high-end desktop platform so that was going to be 00:08:30.039 --> 00:08:36.039 up to 12 cores and uh surprise surprise 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:41.640 here at the show the only chips they're showing are based on that one so what 00:08:38.560 --> 00:08:43.680 Intel did is they saw oh no AMD has 00:08:41.640 --> 00:08:48.800 Threadripper they're they're making us look bad by announcing this stuff that 00:08:45.640 --> 00:08:50.640 people really want uh uh uh quick 00:08:48.800 --> 00:08:53.480 announce something even though you know we don't know how much power it's going 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:58.040 to consume we don't know what clock speeds it's going to run at we don't know how much we're going to charge for 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:02.920 it we just we need to make sure we're announcing something so that when AMD 00:09:00.640 --> 00:09:08.120 launches Threadripper we're not caught completely with our pants down and no 00:09:05.839 --> 00:09:13.680 way to react to it but here's the problem they're taking this wait and see 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:16.720 approach for a reason that I personally 00:09:13.680 --> 00:09:18.880 don't really like they want to see what 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:22.360 Threadripper turns into before they commit to what they're going to deliver 00:09:20.079 --> 00:09:26.560 to the consumer and that's exactly the problem that they're running up against 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:32.399 in the first place here here's some corporate strategy advice free of charge 00:09:28.680 --> 00:09:35.279 Intel build the best thing you can for 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:39.760 the best price that you can deliver it and you're not going to get blindsided 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:44.600 by a competitor that walks in and delivers something way better for a 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:51.560 lower price so we've got this really confusing platform we've got these these 00:09:47.920 --> 00:09:53.760 midcore count harvested zons on the 00:09:51.560 --> 00:09:59.440 high-end desktop platform that are going to be differentiated by having lots of 00:09:56.320 --> 00:10:02.120 PCI Express Lanes uh which I think is 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:07.360 what gives them the core I9 designation we're going to have the normal chips 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:10.519 some of which still have lots of PCI 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:12.959 Express Lanes uh and go up to 12 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:19.320 cores all of the ones I've mentioned so far support quad Channel memory and 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:22.800 anywhere from 28 to 44 PCI Express Lanes 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:25.519 then we're going to have KB Lake X which 00:10:22.800 --> 00:10:31.279 only supports 16 PCI Express Lanes and get this the motherboard manufacturers 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:35.160 have to support any chip that you could 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:39.360 put in the socket on every single board 00:10:35.160 --> 00:10:42.440 how do you build a board around 16 to 44 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:43.959 PCI Express Lanes dual to quad Channel 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:53.480 memory and anywhere from 4 to 18 cores the 00:10:49.920 --> 00:10:56.120 whole launch is so rushed that gigabite 00:10:53.480 --> 00:11:01.480 flat out isn't supporting Thunderbolt 3 on any of their x299 boards because they 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:09.399 didn't have time to go through the certification process and the whole 00:11:05.040 --> 00:11:12.519 thing is confusing as hell to not just 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:14.519 the general consumer but even 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:17.000 enthusiasts and I mean there's other stuff here that just makes no sense to 00:11:16.040 --> 00:11:23.560 me as well v-rock okay so I talked about how 00:11:20.959 --> 00:11:28.839 you can have you know up to you know better support for NVMe storage than 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:35.200 ever before so this is a really cool feature you can actually run bootable 00:11:31.760 --> 00:11:37.680 raid through the CPU rather than letting 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:45.079 it get bottlenecked by the chipset now with NVMe devices but out of the box 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:48.240 Intel is only supporting raid 00:11:45.079 --> 00:11:51.600 zero and if you want to run raid one or 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:53.760 RAID 10 you need to buy a $99 physical 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:58.040 key and plug it into the board and if you want to support raid five on top of 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:02.600 all that other stuff you're going to pay another 300 00:12:00.160 --> 00:12:08.480 $100 like I get that they're worried about cannibalizing their Zeon sales and 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:15.600 their server and high-end workstation sales with this platform but this seems 00:12:12.079 --> 00:12:18.480 like such a step backwards on a consumer 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:22.680 product going back to buying like raid keys and sticking them onto a 00:12:20.160 --> 00:12:26.800 motherboard and as if that wasn't anti-consumer enough the word on the 00:12:25.199 --> 00:12:32.079 street now and I really hope they reverse this decision if it is one is 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:39.120 that this bootable raid this v-rock feature is only going to work with Intel 00:12:35.079 --> 00:12:41.720 branded NVMe ssds they don't make the 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:45.279 best NVMe ssds at least not till opan lands so they're basically going yeah 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:50.839 here's the highest end you know Enthusiast thing oh by the way put some 00:12:48.680 --> 00:12:53.839 you know ssds in here for your wicked raate array that aren't even the best on 00:12:52.720 --> 00:13:01.120 the market so I'm sorry if this video was a 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:04.839 little more rambly than what I usually 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:07.000 do and uh maybe a little longer than 00:13:04.839 --> 00:13:11.880 what I do these days but I guess it just felt appropriate given the the 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:15.399 frustration that I've had I mean you know I've been asking for higher core 00:13:13.800 --> 00:13:20.880 counts and I've been you know asking for really a lot of 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:25.920 the things that they're doing right now which like it's funny cuz here I am 00:13:22.959 --> 00:13:29.160 complaining about it but what's frustrating is not that 00:13:28.079 --> 00:13:36.959 they're doing it what's frustrating ating is my perception of the reasons 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:41.279 that they're doing it so I guess that's pretty much it like leave a comment 00:13:38.760 --> 00:13:46.880 letting me know your guys' thoughts am I am I being nitpicky or are the 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:48.720 criticisms Fair um leave a comment below 00:13:46.880 --> 00:13:53.079 and let's uh let's at least talk about it if Intel's going to come across this 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:55.759 video I'd love for them to get some real feedback not just from me but also from 00:13:54.839 --> 00:14:02.000 you guys so thanks for watching this video 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:05.160 here from computex 2017 in beautiful 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:07.199 Taiwan a huge shout out to Corsair for 00:14:05.160 --> 00:14:11.320 allowing us to be here the Corsair one is their 12 L Powerhouse of a gaming 00:14:09.680 --> 00:14:17.399 machine that's available with up to a GTX 1080 graphics card with a 1080 TI 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:21.040 version coming soon and a huge shout out 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:23.639 to Synergy for offering 25% off their 00:14:21.040 --> 00:14:27.600 mouse and keyboard sharing software to all of our viewers and you can find 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:30.600 links to both of those in the video description