WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:09.600 Why am I getting Apple ads on my PlayStation? 00:00:09.600 --> 00:00:13.920 Apple's advertising so many subscriptions, another free trial? 00:00:13.920 --> 00:00:17.080 More ads for subscriptions? Don't I already pay enough? 00:00:17.080 --> 00:00:20.920 Wait, how much do I pay? 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:24.600 Even my bank is trying to get me to subscribe? 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:30.960 Like seemingly all companies, Apple is participating in the cost that never ends. 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:35.280 Subscriptions to services. For some reason, they've never grabbed me. 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:39.360 At launch, Apple Arcade and TV Plus had laughably small lineups. 00:00:39.360 --> 00:00:43.360 Fitness Plus was limited to those few who own an Apple Watch, and Apple Music doesn't 00:00:43.360 --> 00:00:49.720 have a cool year in review. However, they've been with us for a few years now, and so I'm curious if the value proposition 00:00:49.720 --> 00:00:56.200 has changed. I mean, Apple services do offer a lot, so much so that you could probably cancel everything 00:00:56.200 --> 00:01:00.200 you already have and save a considerable amount of money. 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:03.360 Which gives me an idea. Steven. 00:01:03.360 --> 00:01:08.080 He's the new guy here at Mac Address. You have a lot of subscription services. 00:01:08.080 --> 00:01:11.280 I do. How much do you spend a month on them? 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:15.120 Like easily over a hundred bucks. Perfect. 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:18.720 Cancel them. You're only going to use Apple One for a whole week. 00:01:18.720 --> 00:01:24.080 Me, Apple TV, only Apple Arcade, the whole thing. If I'm going to have to give something up, so are you. 00:01:24.080 --> 00:01:27.960 So you're going to be doing this with me. Say goodbye to whoever you're watching. 00:01:27.960 --> 00:01:32.520 Alright. Fine. One week, only Apple services. 00:01:32.520 --> 00:01:37.840 One week of avoiding spoilers, not talking to my friends, staying off Twitter. 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:43.960 It's better be good, Apple. 00:01:43.960 --> 00:01:48.000 Apple's not known for making great services, even though the Lord knows they've tried. 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:54.000 There was the much derided Moel me, and then before that there was the dot mac. 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:59.920 But that eventually evolved into iCloud. And following that success, Apple launched so many subscriptions that they needed to 00:01:59.920 --> 00:02:03.000 make another one to include them all. 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:07.280 Apple One. Available in three tiers, the high stand bundle gives you everything. 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:12.560 Two terabytes of iCloud and photo storage, TV Plus, Apple Music and Classical, which 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:17.440 is a thing apparently. Arcade, Fitness Plus and News Plus. 00:02:17.440 --> 00:02:20.840 And you can share it all with up to five members of your family. 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:24.920 Now you can of course get everything piecemeal from other companies. 00:02:24.920 --> 00:02:32.400 Google One is $2 a month, Netflix, 20, Spotify, 16, Game Pass 10, Fitbit Premium 10 and Readly 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:40.760 412. But all this ends up costing a lot more, over twice as much in fact, $70 a month. 00:02:40.760 --> 00:02:45.160 The question is then, are you giving up anything by going with Apple One? 00:02:45.160 --> 00:02:49.080 Hello sir. How was your week? Good. 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:52.760 How was yours? It felt like any other week was yours. 00:02:52.760 --> 00:02:56.280 Mine got better as it went on. I was annoyed at first. 00:02:56.280 --> 00:03:02.720 I thought this was going to be a hassle. I thought this was going to be a huge effort of giving up everything else. 00:03:02.720 --> 00:03:09.400 I did have to fight you for this. Yeah. Didn't end up being that much of a hassle. 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:14.720 I'm actually still pretty much just using Apple services. I kind of just got myself hooked now. 00:03:14.720 --> 00:03:18.280 So yeah, it wasn't too bad. The service that got you hooked. 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:23.040 Apple TV. See, the service that I've been using the most is Apple Music. 00:03:23.040 --> 00:03:29.120 And I feel like of all the services, that's probably the most established and compelling. 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:32.120 Now, to me, Apple Music's the easy choice. 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:42.520 Yeah. Would you get it? I personally would love to get it, but there's one thing that I'm just like, no, I can't. 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:45.680 And that is it doesn't have anything comparable to Spotify Connect. 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:50.280 What I love about Spotify Connect is that, like, I'm somebody that very often will start 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:55.360 something from my laptop and then want to control it from my phone or vice versa. 00:03:55.360 --> 00:04:01.000 You know, I have used Spotify and Spotify Connect, and there is a certain magic to that 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:04.360 that is surprising that Apple hasn't supported that. 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:09.120 I think for me, the thing I really like about Apple Music is I love that it's in loss list, 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:12.680 especially at the price tier it is, though it did go up in price a little bit recently. 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:21.120 I would easily pay that for the higher quality. If I wasn't giving up the connectivity, Apple Music in my opinion is probably the best value 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:25.280 music service because you get lossless at no additional cost. 00:04:25.280 --> 00:04:33.280 Spatial audio just included with Apple Music. To the extent that I would say if I listen to a good spatial mix on Apple Music and then 00:04:33.280 --> 00:04:38.920 listen to the stereo mix on Spotify, on Spotify, I feel like I'm getting an inferior version 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:42.920 of that song. Like I feel like I'm actually missing out. 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:50.440 And now you have the classical app. It's pretty good if you're into classical music, which I'm not, but like it's great 00:04:50.440 --> 00:04:54.920 for someone that is. It is really great for someone who's into classical music. 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:57.960 Basically what we're going to do is we're going to see what of these services you'd 00:04:57.960 --> 00:05:03.120 subscribe to. You'd be willing to subscribe to with your own money just on its own. 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:08.040 So Apple Music, would you subscribe to Apple Music? I wouldn't hate it, but it's not my first choice. 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:13.520 So no, X. See, I would subscribe to it, but I have used Apple Music when I did the trial and I enjoyed 00:05:13.520 --> 00:05:20.400 it. Yeah, it would definitely be like a very close second choice for me. 00:05:20.400 --> 00:05:29.360 I'll give it that much. The next one, which has kept you engaged all week remarkably, is Apple TV Plus. 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.360 Which I didn't expect. 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:38.240 So TV Plus, it's a lot cheaper than all these other services, but you're getting a lot 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:43.600 less. The big thing I found is that when you had just everything, like all these services 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:47.320 to choose from, you sit down and you're like, cool, what do I want to watch? 00:05:47.320 --> 00:05:52.280 And I found that that would often lead to me just making very safe choices of I'm going 00:05:52.280 --> 00:05:57.760 to choose something that's in a genre I know I like or from a director I know I like. 00:05:57.760 --> 00:06:02.560 By being limited to Apple, it was like, okay, there's not as much content here. 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:06.400 I've watched the stuff that already really appealed to me. 00:06:06.400 --> 00:06:11.280 Now I'm going to watch stuff that's maybe on my radar, but hasn't really grabbed my 00:06:11.280 --> 00:06:15.640 interest enough to bother watching it. And so what I watched was Servant. 00:06:15.640 --> 00:06:19.440 It was the first one I sat down to watch and within like three days I was done the first 00:06:19.440 --> 00:06:25.720 season, like it just it hooked me to the point that when this challenge was over, I always 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:30.520 just kept coming back to Apple TV. I would like go play a game for an hour and I'm like, no, I need to watch more Servant 00:06:30.520 --> 00:06:33.840 or I'd go on Disney Plus, watch a couple episodes is something I'm like, no, I need 00:06:33.840 --> 00:06:38.320 to go watch more Servant. And there's a bunch of other shows that I still haven't watched. 00:06:38.400 --> 00:06:44.280 There is so much content there that it would take me months to get through, even if I was 00:06:44.280 --> 00:06:47.840 just subscribed to Apple TV and nothing else. 00:06:47.840 --> 00:06:51.880 So I had a bit of a different experience kind of surfing through there. 00:06:51.880 --> 00:06:56.400 Like I think, you know, the big show that drew me to Apple TV Plus a couple of months ago 00:06:56.400 --> 00:07:00.000 obviously was Severance, which everyone was talking about and it was a really great show. 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:03.440 And I actually watched it with friends using SharePlay. 00:07:03.440 --> 00:07:09.200 This week I kind of find myself surfing through Apple TV Plus and I was struggling to find 00:07:09.200 --> 00:07:16.200 a show that I wanted to watch. Don't get me wrong, there is some hot garbage on there as there is any service. 00:07:16.200 --> 00:07:22.160 But I think if you're looking for like high quality shows and you're not super picky about 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:25.920 genre, I think there's enough there. 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:30.320 Would you subscribe to Apple TV Plus? Already do, half for years will continue to. 00:07:30.320 --> 00:07:32.560 Whoa, okay, big check. Hard yes. 00:07:33.440 --> 00:07:37.240 I'm a little on the fence. This good stuff, this good stuff. 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:42.440 It's not that expensive. I want to do like half check mark with it and then it's an X. 00:07:42.440 --> 00:07:48.200 It's like I would subscribe to it and I wouldn't subscribe to it because I did this in the fall. 00:07:48.200 --> 00:07:51.680 Just subscribing for two months to watch Severance. 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:55.640 If it's not going to be an ongoing thing, it doesn't count. Okay, I'll do an X. 00:07:55.640 --> 00:07:59.200 So the next one, it's kind of a little bit of an interesting one because I think everyone 00:07:59.200 --> 00:08:05.800 has experience with this is iCloud. And so with Apple One, it ranges obviously, or even just if you get iCloud Plus itself 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:11.040 from 50 gigabytes to two terabytes above the standard five gigabytes, I've now put myself 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:15.680 in a position where I've had to pay the upgrade to 50 gigabytes and I'm mad about that. 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:19.800 Are you? I'm all the way at 200 because I split with my parents. 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:28.400 What do you use your iCloud for? If this is the entire thing, like this much is backups, this much is iMessage, and then 00:08:28.400 --> 00:08:34.040 like this much is everything else. My majority is iMessage and then Documents, kind of one of those things where it's like 00:08:34.040 --> 00:08:37.400 you kind of have to get it and I'm mad about that. 00:08:37.400 --> 00:08:41.360 So would you get iCloud Plus? Yes, I'd buy it. 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:47.560 And how many gigabytes? If it was just myself, 50, I'm only on a higher plan because I'm on a family plan. 00:08:47.560 --> 00:08:51.200 Okay, I'm the same way, I'm 50 as well. 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:55.760 There's the one thing that's included in all the tiers that we're covering and that is 00:08:55.760 --> 00:09:00.680 arcade. As we know, gaming on Apple has been a thing. 00:09:00.680 --> 00:09:04.880 We've discovered when we looked at the Mac Mini, I don't know if you're much of a mobile 00:09:04.880 --> 00:09:08.800 gamer, I've managed to avoid that, but what do you think of an Apple Arcade? 00:09:08.800 --> 00:09:11.800 No I'm not a mobile gamer. 00:09:11.800 --> 00:09:17.600 That said, Apple Arcade importantly is not just mobile of course, it's also on Mac and 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:24.200 Apple TV. And on Apple TV, it's not bad. 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:32.640 What did you plan on with TV? I was pleasantly surprised. So I found in Apple Arcade a few games that I had played before on my PlayStation, Sayonara 00:09:32.640 --> 00:09:37.200 Wild Hearts and Gree, I believe is how it's pronounced. 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:40.560 I was like, okay, I want to see how comparable this experience is. 00:09:40.560 --> 00:09:45.000 So I just hooked up my PlayStation controller to my Apple TV, hooked it up to the exact 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:53.520 same TV I use for my PlayStation. And man, if you just handed me that controller and I had not seen what was hooked up to what, 00:09:53.520 --> 00:09:56.680 I would just assume I'm playing on PlayStation. Okay. 00:09:56.680 --> 00:10:01.120 It is genuinely comparable to a console experience for those games. 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:05.880 The asterisk is that I could probably count on one hand how many of those games there are. 00:10:05.880 --> 00:10:11.240 Looking at the way Apple Arcade has come along, we don't have to deal with free to play games, 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:17.680 you can actually like play a game normally. But even like going into some of the games, I'm like, these interfaces look very much 00:10:17.680 --> 00:10:23.600 like free to play games. Even though they don't quite operate like that, it's kind of like a little disconcerting, 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:31.040 especially with the two games I played. But then looking at that list, like they just added the city builder game, whose name I 00:10:31.040 --> 00:10:37.920 can't even remember now. And I played a bit of it and I was kind of not into it. 00:10:37.920 --> 00:10:41.400 And then it's this car game that I was playing and I don't even remember the name of that 00:10:41.400 --> 00:10:45.920 one either. A little bit more interesting, but I couldn't get the controls right. 00:10:45.920 --> 00:10:53.480 It's tough. The other thing is the release cadence. For a while there, you're kind of just getting like one game every couple weeks. 00:10:53.880 --> 00:10:58.960 I was kind of worried. I was like, oh, is Apple Arcade kind of like running out of steam here? 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:04.080 But then as we're making this video, 20 new games in one day, which as far as I'm aware, 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:07.760 aside from like their initial launch, is the biggest release day they've had. 00:11:07.760 --> 00:11:11.200 I hope this means that more developers are getting interested. 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:16.000 I hope as well they start to support like the Mac side of things way more. 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:20.600 Would you pay for Apple Arcade? I would not pay for Apple Arcade. 00:11:21.040 --> 00:11:26.480 In paying for Apple One, there's some games there that would be worth my time. 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:29.480 No, me neither. 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:34.840 The next one's interesting because it's not one I would ever have thought of. 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:39.400 It's the biggest surprise to me when it came out, which is Fitness Plus, which basically 00:11:39.400 --> 00:11:43.320 means Apple is effectively making workout DVDs. 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:48.480 If Apple released this service 20 years ago, it would be a DVD box set. 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:51.480 Yeah. You do workout. Yeah. 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:54.640 And you did forego the gym this week. Yeah. 00:11:54.640 --> 00:12:00.040 How'd it go? I didn't dislike it as much as I thought, but it's still not for me. 00:12:00.040 --> 00:12:06.960 They offer 12 workout groups. Of those, three are Stationery Bike, Rowing Machine, Treadmill. 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:10.920 So now you're down to nine groups, basically. 00:12:10.920 --> 00:12:16.280 One of the other ones, Strength Training, has over 300 workouts available. 00:12:16.280 --> 00:12:22.840 If you choose to filter, to only see videos with no equipment, it goes down to about 10. 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:30.640 So each workout has a set playlist. You cannot change that, but each workout will have something different. 00:12:30.640 --> 00:12:34.560 So they have workouts set to country, workouts set to pop, but it's the same for everyone. 00:12:34.560 --> 00:12:41.120 You cannot change that, which I find a bit strange because, hey, it's already linked 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:47.280 to my Apple Music. I can go to the workout details and it pulls up like the music featured there and I can 00:12:47.280 --> 00:12:52.080 just one tap on it. It brings me into Apple Music. Why can I not just say it to my own workout? 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:56.560 It allows you to track your calories burned and all of that, you know, whatever it is 00:12:56.560 --> 00:12:59.560 that's in your rings. I'm going to be honest. Don't pay attention to rings. 00:12:59.560 --> 00:13:03.080 I don't care. But they are weird. So many people are obsessed with them. 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:06.800 It's a service that I think if you're somebody that already goes to the gym, it doesn't have 00:13:06.800 --> 00:13:11.800 much value. Yeah. But if you don't go to the gym and you're just trying to get into fitness or you just 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:17.360 want something to do at home and you like that kind of like instructor setting, it's 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:27.240 great for a certain person. It's not me, but I think that service for somebody who's looking for that will be well 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:33.120 fulfilled by it. So though, would you get this service yourself? 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:36.640 I'd recommend it by Wayne Gabe. Okay. So big no. 00:13:36.640 --> 00:13:39.800 Big, big no for me. Okay. 00:13:39.800 --> 00:13:42.800 Big no for me too. Yeah. Yeah. 00:13:42.800 --> 00:13:45.920 I didn't even ask you at all. Was there any appeal? 00:13:45.920 --> 00:13:50.480 Like did you even like consider trying it all because you do use an Apple watch. 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:54.720 Do you use it for any sort of fitness tracking at all? 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:57.880 When I go to walk to my friend's house, it taps me on the wrist and says, is this an 00:13:57.880 --> 00:14:03.720 outdoor walk? And I say, sure. I think I would want to go personally would want to go beyond workout videos. 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:09.000 You know, to be fair, I did, I did try some in my past in a past life and they were really 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:15.080 nice to do. And so I, you know, no problems doing it, but looking at fitness plus, it's kind of 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:21.200 like, I think probably for what I would want to do, I don't know, fitness plus would really 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:25.040 cover the cover that now. 00:14:25.040 --> 00:14:29.920 The next one, I will have lots to talk about because it's news plus. 00:14:29.920 --> 00:14:33.080 I will have a lot. Did you even open up news plus at all? 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:38.960 I did. I read a page of a magazine. 00:14:39.400 --> 00:14:45.520 Talking about a Corvette. So having news plus feels like this, like kind of like this like, ah, release, I can 00:14:45.520 --> 00:14:50.720 like actually access all this interesting content and read, which is really nice. 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:56.120 And I think too, like if you're someone who finds yourself caught behind these news article 00:14:56.120 --> 00:15:00.920 paywalls all the time, news plus could be a really great way to just have access to 00:15:00.920 --> 00:15:10.320 it all at one go. What I found with news plus was that it was surfacing articles and news pieces and entire 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:14.120 publications that I wouldn't necessarily seek out. 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:25.200 Would you mostly do with it? Like, what were you mostly reading? I read a car and driver articles from whatever, Wall Street Journal and so it was really nice 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:31.000 to be able to do that. Now, one of the things you can run into is like somebody links to an article on Twitter 00:15:31.040 --> 00:15:34.320 and you click the link and it takes you to the web page and then you got the paywall 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:40.440 there. And so if you have Apple news plus, there's a bit of like a translation layer where you 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:45.800 have to kind of find the article kind of manually on Apple news plus, which is really annoying. 00:15:45.800 --> 00:15:50.280 And then if you want to share an article, you're only sharing the Apple news plus link. 00:15:50.280 --> 00:15:55.040 And so there's sort of like a bit of a disconnect there that's not really clear. 00:15:55.040 --> 00:15:59.320 So yeah, would you get it? 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:04.440 I would not. You would not get it. 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:09.200 Me, okay. I really want it. 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:12.520 I really do like it. I might give it a check. I think I'm going to give it a check. 00:16:12.520 --> 00:16:18.040 I think it's a great value. It's not for me, but I think it's a great value. 00:16:18.040 --> 00:16:22.560 Okay. So it appears that Apple One does give you a lot if you subscribe to it, especially if 00:16:22.560 --> 00:16:26.480 you get the premiere plan and it does come with pretty steep savings if you're to get 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:33.200 everything together. But really how much you save is dependent on the services you're going to use and if 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:44.440 you need them. And looking at this chart, you have two things, and I have three things, which is a big surprise 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:48.920 here. Yeah. And this is in line with what I currently actually pay for. 00:16:48.920 --> 00:16:51.960 Right. I do pay for TV plus. I do pay for iCloud plus. 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:59.680 I don't pay for any of the others. I pay $3 a month, and this would be a dollar a month. 00:16:59.680 --> 00:17:03.800 So that is a lot less than if you were to get the Apple One subscription. 00:17:03.800 --> 00:17:09.880 It is. Yes. The thing that would push that over the edge is Apple Music, which if they just added 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:20.960 that one feature, I would switch it to a heartbeat. So we got 11, that's 21, 22, but you only get Apple News plus with the premiere subscription. 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:23.960 Which is 32. I'm still below. 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:29.080 I guess that means neither of us want Apple One. 00:17:29.080 --> 00:17:35.960 Yes. But I think that's for us, because I think this would be good enough for most people. 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:39.120 I pay for too many things. Yes, you do. Apple One is the solution. 00:17:39.120 --> 00:17:43.200 You pay for, I, you wish Apple One would work for you. 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:46.200 It's the one. You wish. It is so close. 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:50.160 It is so close to make a difference for you, and it can't. 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:54.040 I kind of just want to anyways. There's no two ways around it. 00:17:54.040 --> 00:17:57.240 Apple One gets you a lot, with some pretty steep savings. 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:01.400 But how much you save, if anything at all, is dependent on how many services you use 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:06.080 and if you need them. I mean, if you're on the family plan, I can see that, splitting with even one other person 00:18:06.080 --> 00:18:10.280 makes it pretty affordable, let alone up to six. But why not subscribe then? 00:18:10.280 --> 00:18:14.680 The real value proposition for Apple One comes down to how much you like Apple's TV plus 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:18.720 lineup. If there's enough to keep you subscribed continuously long term, then yes, Apple One 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:23.720 is great value. And you like Apple TV. 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:30.760 And so while Apple One does represent considerable savings compared to getting everything individually, 00:18:30.760 --> 00:18:38.040 that doesn't mean you should just jump on it. If you're not signing up for most of the services, you won't be saving any money. 00:18:38.040 --> 00:18:42.560 And so that means that Steven and I will be cancelling our subscriptions. 00:18:42.560 --> 00:18:46.240 Thanks for subscribing to this Mac Address. 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:51.160 If you love subscriptions and paying for them, well, like this video. 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:56.980 And I'm curious, what amount of Apple subscriptions you would actually sign up for like Steven 00:18:56.980 --> 00:18:59.480 and I? Would you make the Apple One thresholds? Comment below.