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AMD's RX 6950xt is almost a totally

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different class of GPU compared to when it first launched to tepid reviews

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earlier this year and with recent price adjustments it is such a good deal now

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that its green opponent no longer makes any sense and neither does its

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predecessor the 6900 XT but why am I talking about the 6000

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series because however the RX 7900

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series performs today and it's good I

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want you to also keep in mind AMD's track record for dramatically improving

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the performance of their gpus through new features and Driver optimizations

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personally I'm counting on it because now that I have publicly committed to

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skipping NVIDIA's latest 40 series cards AMD is my only hope for an upgrade this

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generation just like my only hope of paying our

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right out of the gate the 7900 series is

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full of upgrades it features AMD's brand new rdna 3 architecture up to 24

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gigabytes of much higher bandwidth gddr6 memory substantially boosted core clocks

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across the board and this is great the step down 7900 XT comes with as many

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compute units as AMD's previous Flagship with the beefier XTX rocking even more

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despite having more and faster cores though one of AMD's boldest claims is

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that they've managed to improve efficiency by 54 this is thanks in large

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part to AMD's high bandwidth chiplet design the first of its kind in a modern

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GPU what's more they've beefed up their Ray accelerator cores for real-time

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raytraced Lighting in supported games and finally included AI accelerator

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cores to bring Radeon to feature parody with NVIDIA and Intel's offerings

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unlike those offerings however the Radeon RX 7900 series cards we're

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looking at today come equipped with DisplayPort 2.1 which enables support

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for up to 8K 165 Hertz displays is that even

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necessary who cares it's awesome

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and it's something that NVIDIA's top-end GPU the RTX 4090 cannot do in spite of

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its staggering sixteen hundred dollar sticker price

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all of this is while actually fitting in your case and costing 900 and a thousand

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dollars for the XT and the XTX respectively that is 200 to 300 less

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than the RTX 4080 that AMD says they

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should be able to compete with for Speed Of course we won't be taking their word

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for that AMD has been known to be optimistic at 4K it's clear out of the

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gate and Shadow of the Tomb Raider that whatever team red fans might have hoped

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for the RX 7900 XTX is not AMD's answer

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to the RTX 4090 it's got performance that is realistically more in line with

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the 4080 though that is what AMD said

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and this pattern continues in Hitman cyberpunk 2077 and Modern Warfare 2.

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well great right I mean why did I spend

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all that time talking about the importance of AMD's ongoing driver developments keep that in mind well

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there's this for one thing Forza Horizon 5 is a clear loss for team red thanks to

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those subpar one percent and five percent low frame rates but also this

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for another reason that right there is a

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one thousand dollar GPU beating a sixteen hundred dollar GPU in F1 2022

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and if the results I'm looking at right now are any indication of the kind of

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raw power that AMD's driver team has on tap here there is some serious aging

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like fine wine potential on the table

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of course you should never buy a promise though and today AMD's best Trails

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NVIDIA's best by about 17 which sounds

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bad Until you realize that NVIDIA's card costs 60 percent more compared to the

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4080 the XTX is a no-brainer at nine percent faster and 20 cheaper and the

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7900 XT does even better I mean sure the

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4080 is seven percent faster but costs 33 percent more

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1440p doesn't always show us a difference compared to 4K but here we do

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see some strange behavior in Forza that we retested several times the 7000

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series is actually slower than AMD's older 6000 series cards we think this

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could be a problem with the game as it's the only one out of our suite that does

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it and when we went to test for it says Ray tracing performance we saw that it

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was in fact pretty broken we also see

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the RTX 4080 pull ahead of even the XTX

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in Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Red Dead Redemption which is especially

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surprising considering that virtually every other game shows AMD closing the

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Gap instead the biggest example is in Modern Warfare 2 where the minimum frame

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rates aren't quite up to the level of the RTX 4090 but the average frame rates

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are which again can set some potential for optimization in total these numbers

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put the 7900 Series in a very good position to compete with NVIDIA's 40

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series to the point where if traditional rasterized gaming was all that existed

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NVIDIA would need to lower their prices but it isn't all that exists and Ray

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tracing is sadly still not AMD's strong

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suit while substantially better in cyberpunk than the rx6000 series these

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7000 series gpus are behind NVIDIA by at

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least a factor of two at 4K at 1440p AMD

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at least manages to break the 30 FPS minimum Mark making the game playable

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and you can use FSR to render at a lower resolution and upscale for smooth

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gameplay but at that point we could also do the same thing for Team Green and the

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overall story would still be the same F1 2022 fares slightly better for AMD at

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least with the 7900 XTX pulling up to within 16 percent of the RTX 4080 in

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minimum frame rates and actually near parity on average which again gives me

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hope that some of AMD's woes with Ray tracing are a matter of optimization and

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that feeling only grows with shadow of the Tomb Raider where even at 4K it's

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within about 12 percent of the 4090 and turning out nearly 60 FPS it is an older

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game but that's not bad it's just that a

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good race ran when the other guy ran faster is still an l and ultimately the

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RX 7900 XTX just couldn't even come close to the RTX 4080s level of

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performance with Ray tracing enabled I suspect that most people myself included

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still don't use Ray tracing often and won't really be affected but given that

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these things do still cost a thousand flipping dollars it's definitely a skid

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mark on what has otherwise been a pretty good showing so far and I'm afraid

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there's more where that came from the professionals who have need of this kind

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of graphical horsepower will be well disappointed isn't quite the right word

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but looking at these numbers they're not going to be excited either yes blender

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runs a good eight to twenty percent faster on the 7000 versus the 6000

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series but NVIDIA walks all over AMD's

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entire stack at between three to four times the performance thankfully AMD's

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new encoding engine helps them push ahead of the RTX 4080 in DaVinci Resolve

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in both h.264 and especially h.265 which

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their encoding engine seems to favor that's a good 20 more speed for the XTX

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there not bad though the 49d does remain

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on top procyon video and photo are also pretty good for AMD with performance

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that I would call comparable it's within a few percentage points either way you

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look at it and rounding out the video editing Suite is topaz AI which despite

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the name is using GPU compute here rather than any AI course and wow even

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the 7900 XT outperforms the RTX 4090

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here this workload seems to heavily favor AMD's Infinity cash as the 6000

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series cards aren't too shabby either specvperf brings AMD about as many wins

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as losses but the degree to which the 7000 series wins over the competition is

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often much lower than the losses that they suffer with especially poor results

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in 3ds Max Maya and SolidWorks which

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even dip under the performance of the 6000 series that's pretty rough those

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are kind of important applications they pull off major wins in Catia Creo energy

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medical and especially Siemens NX though

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as we've said in the past this is because the version in specview perf

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doesn't support Hardware acceleration on NVIDIA and actually this is just going

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to be excluded from our averages when we calculate it later on spec workstation

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Paints the radons in a significantly better light though with product

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development life sciences and energy all pushing well past Team Green but media

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and entertainment as well as GPU compute still stay with NVIDIA likely thanks to

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opencl's relative obscurity next to Cuda despite the blows the 7900 series car

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cards took though their beefed up media engines and GPU compute horsepower

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placed them with an average of two to ten percent of Team Green given the wide

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performance spread we saw depending on the workload potential prospective

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professional people will want to think long and hard about which capabilities

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are most important to them before making a final decision changing gears a little

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we found something interesting when we were testing resizable bar on both Intel

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and AMD platforms it seems like the performance improvements regardless of

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whether you have a team blue or team red CPU can be expected to be pretty similar

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despite AMD heavily marketing smart access memory as a selling point for the

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ryzen plus Radeon ecosystem bear in mind

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that this is a sample size of just two games but without resizable bar we're

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figuring you can expect anywhere from a 10 to 35 percent reduction in

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performance regardless of which side you

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swing for as for AMD's updated video encoder there's a lot to be excited

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about here av1 support and baked in machine learning to improve quality at

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the top of my list but despite receiving our cards early we actually only had a

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few days to test these things prior to embargo because we didn't have a driver

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so we were forced to push our image quality comparisons to a separate video

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that you can expect to see in the next couple of weeks one of AMD's other selling points is its

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smaller footprint compared to NVIDIA's 40 series gpus and I was concerned that

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this would come at the expense of thermals so I was extremely pleased to

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see that AMD's new cooler design has the 7000 series actually performing better

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than the 6000 series with that said though AMD does not have the luxury of

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only competing with themselves and NVIDIA is clearly in the better position

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here though with that said both of the

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NVIDIA cards we tested have substantially larger heatsinks with fan

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off modes while AMD's new cards always ran their fans it's probable that

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designs from the likes of ASUS or power color will run much cooler and hopefully

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quieter now we need to talk about core clocks

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because they're a little different this generation thanks to the decoupling of

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the front end and the Shader clocks the idea here is that the front end will

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benefit more from higher clocks while the more numerous Shader units crunch

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data in parallel at a lower clock speed resulting in a better balance of

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performance and efficiency and you can see that in action here where both the

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7900 XTX and XT have a consistent 200

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megahertz gap between the two clocks and even in a power virus like MSI combustor

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these clocks remained higher than the previous generation clock stability in

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game is similar to the 6000 series cards but NVIDIA's 40 series manages flatter

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lines throughout the Run suggesting that AMD is trying to be pretty aggressive

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with managing power consumption which makes sense because AMD talked a

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lot about performance per watt in their marketing and looking at these in-game

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paragraphs no that seems to suggest that their

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self-congratulations are well Justified the Radeon RX 7900 XTX Drew comparable

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power to the 4080 and this held even when we hit it with MSI combustor the XT

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was even better still staying in line with its predecessor but what's

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interesting is when we take a magnifying glass to how many watts the 7000 series

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poles per frame in this example while

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the raw wattage drops much closer to the RTX 4080 when we capped the frame rate

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to 100 the total watts per frame increases substantially this suggests

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that while the RTX 4080 is able to throttle itself effectively AMD is

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actually having some trouble with power management and AMD's idle power

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consumption numbers seem to corroborate this where the RTX 4080 idles at around

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15 to 20 watts the 7900 XTX regularly

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sucks Back 40 and sometimes over 50

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Watts while doing nothing at all what's

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even more baffling is that we noticed what seems like a major bug during our

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testing depending on the monitor that we plugged into the GPU we saw a wildly

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different total system power at the wall from a respectable 52 Watts with nothing

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plugged in to a whopping 171 Watts with our 27 inch Rog Swift

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bench display using some other monitors

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even caused performance to drop now

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given that I have a high-end display and I live in Vancouver Canada where energy

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is the one thing that is still cheap none of this is a deal breaker for me

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but if I was in Europe where Energy prices had surged pun intended it would

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give me pause before I was willing to look at team red adding insult to injury

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this high idle power draw means that the fans are spinning at all times kicking

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that heat out into your room even if you're just scrolling Reddit meaning

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that the 7900 series is going to be a little less comfortable to live with

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maybe if you go team red you could pick up a blank T rather than a retro polar

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fleece from ltdstore.com space heater one possible explanation for this high

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idle power consumption could be that this is a similar situation to the ryzen

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7 5800 X 3D that CPU's use of 3D V cash

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limited its stability if voltages weren't dialed in just right and we

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could be witnessing similar teething issues with this new chiplet

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architecture and supporting that theory is the fact that the driver straight up

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locks out power adjustments below 90 percent of total board power when we

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asked them about this AMD played pretty Coy with us which tells us either we're

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right or that they're not sure either now it's time to talk about what this

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data means for the GPU Market first of all anyone who was hoping that the 7900

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series would come in and compete head to head against the RTX 4090 will be sorely

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disappointed at least for today we saw a brief glimpses of Glory but the RTX 4090

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remains on its Throne making it tough to dislodge its price from that TI Titan

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perch that it currently occupies as a Halo product but while AMD doesn't have

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a direct competitor to it I still think the 7900 XTX is a much better value

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as for the RTX 4080 well the comparison

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gets a little more complicated even the XT model comes really close in

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traditional rendering and the value proposition of either 7900 GPU is a

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damning indictment of NVIDIA's pricing but AMD does remain on the back foot in

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Ray tracing performance and that's something that NVIDIA can point to and

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claim makes up the difference even if nobody seriously cares it'll take people

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like me running out and buying 7900

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series cards instead of 40 series to make NVIDIA realize that they're out to

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lunch but wait why are we saying this now you

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might think we took a lot of flack for covering for NVIDIA's pricing in the RTX

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4080 review didn't we well not so much first off we compared it to cards that

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were available at the time it released and we ended the video with a message to

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wait for our dna3 and we're reviewing the 7900 Series in much the same way

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second it had already been made known that the RX 7900 XTX was not going to

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compete with the 4090 which depending on how you look at it means that either the

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RTX 4080 is actually a 90 class card and

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priced accordingly with the 490 being a TI or something or the 7900 XT and XTX

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are the current gen equivalent of the 6800 and 6800 XT and are themselves

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overpriced basically it's kind of a game

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of pick your Villain at this point because the reality is that 600 top of

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the line gpus are a thing of the past and that was an assumption that our

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review made but did not fully explain it's worth pointing out by the way since

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I'm being a downer right now anyway that while AMD supports DisplayPort 2.1 and

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NVIDIA's 40 series does not AMD went with a half measure by supporting only

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the uhbr 13.5 spec what this means is

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that it can only achieve its lofty resolution and frame rate support

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through display stream compression DSC allows up to three times more bandwidth

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than is both near zero latency and Visually lossless though that doesn't

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mean that there is no quality loss practically speaking this won't be a

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problem even if it were noticeable given that these gpus aren't really capable of

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pushing those resolutions and frame rates anyway but we brought it up with

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the RTX 40 series so we're bringing it up here for the sake of completeness it

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means that those new 8K ultrawide displays being shown up at CES will just

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barely be able to run at 85 Hertz without DSC but I would never expect

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that to be a problem for an actual user one slightly problematic thing that I do

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need to address is that we've taken a very glass half full approach today and

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I can understand why some of you might be frustrated by it we've gone and spun

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AMD's potential future driver improvements as a good thing when

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actually they're kind of bad another perspective is that it means that AMD is

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releasing these products even though they haven't really finished optimizing

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them and if you've kind of felt that way up to this point I totally get where

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you're coming from we ran into some kind of bizarre no really bizarre crashes and

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there are certainly features that could be added or refined but In fairness to

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our charitable approach today AMD is pricing these gpus according to what

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they are now and their track record for fixing these things is actually pretty

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good even if sometimes it takes a while as they focus on new features like FSR

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3.0 and the hyper RX performance

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Optimizer that have yet to Launch and if this is where performance is now with

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some of what broken certainly unoptimized drivers AMD clearly has some

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great Hardware on their hands here they even brought back the USBC Port

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something that is great for hooking up a monitor via a single cable and a godsend

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for enthusiasts like myself I'm still mad that NVIDIA removed it after the 20

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series so the RX 7900 XTX is going into my

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gaming rig and I'm officially switching to team red for the first time since the

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3870. goodness gracious

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the performance is good enough the price is good enough well at least compared to

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the competition and the downsides are small enough that I am comfortable

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making the leap just like I'm gonna comfortably leap to this Segway from our

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sponsor MSI and their recently released mag z790 Tomahawk Wi-Fi motherboard the

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mag 790 Tomahawk is a gaming oriented ATX motherboard that balances value with

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premium Hardware it's built around the latest Intel z790 chipset which supports

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12th and 13th gen Intel core processors with dual 8-pin power connectors and

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core boost technology is able to sustain heavy CPU power loads to better support

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demanding game settings it also features m.2 Shield frozer MSI's Advanced thermal

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solution which offers great protection for maximum SSD transfer speed

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performance with integrated options for multiple cooling methods the z790

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tomahawk ensures Optimal Performance when you need it the most make sure to

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check it out at the link in the video description if you enjoyed this and

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you're looking for something else to watch maybe go check out that Arc 30 day challenge video I mentioned Intel's

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doing some really good things over there but they also have a lot of work to do
