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every time we shoot a video in our new workshop we run up against the same

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problem every time i talk you can hear an echo

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echo echo okay it's not quite an echo what it actually is is reverb and it's

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caused by a standing sound wave that is bouncing back and forth inside the room

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now it is something that you can address in post but as you guys can hear right

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now sometimes the solution is worse than the

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problem unless of course you go right to the

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source we uh with the help of elgato

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ah are going to be deploying a literal

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mountain of their wave panels these are

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mostly designed for streamers but the thing is if you've got a good high

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quality acoustic panel ready nicholas

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you can use it for pretty much anything so we're gonna go one stage at a time

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with each of these boxes costing about 100 us dollars and c do they do anything

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and if they do anything how much do you need before you get some

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kind of measurable impact and how far can you go before i tell you

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in every wave panel starter set you get everything you need to acoustically

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treat about one square meter or ten square feet of wall or ceiling you get

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six of the wave panels themselves a bunch of brackets as well as joiners

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in case you want to bind them together and make cool

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geometric patterns on your wall as well as instructions and everything you will

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need to mount them before we can mount anything though we need to get a

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baseline reading of the current state of the room now there are two main ways we

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record audio for our videos either with a lavalier microphone under my shirt or

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with a shotgun microphone that's mounted out of the frame and you guys can hear

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the difference in how those sound the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog

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the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog

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then in order to science it up a little bit we're gonna

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switch over to this puppy right here this is the umic one an omnidirectional

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condenser microphone from mini dsp that is specifically designed for taking room

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measurements like this the software we're going to use is called rew or roo

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we just click measure rename it to control no panels

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and start you guys are going to want to plug yours

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wow it's no wonder the audio's so bad in here even with all the stuff that we

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have in the room now i mean it was worse before we are still seeing standing

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waves that are lasting as long as about 0.9 of a second

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hard to listen to now the goal isn't to turn this place into an anechoic chamber elgato wave

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panels would not be the way to do that we just want to cut down on reverb so

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the first thing we need to know is how much actual wall and ceiling area there

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is in this room so we've got 10 23 times two that's the

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ceiling in the floor and then you want to give me those wall measurements we

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got 13 carry the one i don't think i have ever carried the

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one on camera ah yes there 35 13. i remember to carry the one

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forgot all the other basics why don't we target five percent coverage and see

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what happens stage two ten percent stage three i mean that

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better that better do it yeah

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profit seven we have one small problem my control i

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said it was with no panels in the room i had these ones sitting here so nobody

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touched these we have to i want to keep this scientific boys so these are off these

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are off limits this pack though this wasn't in here james

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these are a little bit finicky but given that it's something you're only going to

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do once not bad actually elgato not bad full

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disclosure the reason we have that omnidirectional speaker and the reason

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we already know how to use this software is because it is our intention to make

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our own acoustic panel product

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but that doesn't mean that i'm going to say this is anything but

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damn looking pretty good of course the performance is ultimately

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what matters more so these aren't the thickest acoustic

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panels in the world that cause me some concern the thinner they are the lower

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the band of frequencies they will absorb thinner meaning higher frequencies only

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but it is two different materials that's

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cool because you know you've got a low density foam here and a high air density

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foam here plus any time that sound goes through a medium change that's pretty

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good for absorption then the setup you don't have to read

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the instructions at all at least i hope so because i didn't uh they're really

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easy to clip together and then they just friction down into the holes that are

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already on the foam not the most secure

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i might i might put some adhesive in there if it

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was missing critical but if i was going to ceiling mounted i

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would on the wall it's probably fine now what are you thinking in terms of

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placement do we want to put individual panels just kind of around do we want to

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clip them together in kind of geometric shapes and go for large flat surfaces

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are we targeting the walls the corners i think that you want to have big

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contiguous patches where possible like look between those two blue pipes over

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there or right there but then because there are so many different gadgets and

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machines in here there's some spots where you don't have much room just do

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what you can in those spots a mix okay the clips go in the front just two

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kind of flimsy honestly but as soon as you

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add a third you've tripled the joins so it's quite a bit more rigid

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it's still i mean it's not structural but we're climbing

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it can you hold this for me please i'm just going to climb this climate

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climate sebastian i mean if the laser level can't support

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my weight it's not a good laser level don't go in the lid

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uh yeah climate stick tips yeah there's absolutely no reason to put

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the foam these foamies on before you hang it on the wall so now we know

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that's a tech tip does it look level yeah it looks good

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there you are all right

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just lean just thrust

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i love you wall you're awesome now that we've seen how

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much space even one pack takes up on the wall we're rethinking our strategy for

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laying them out a little bit so what we're going to try to do is in each area

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we want to put panels we're gonna put half as many as would fit now so that

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one we're gonna expand by adding another six and then this one here we're gonna

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lean a little low so we can go one two

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three four more kind of thing when it's time for the second round of testing

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i'm good everything's good quick thought james before we assemble a

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full frame for the ceiling why don't we just try sticking one to

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the ceiling and see if this tape actually holds i think the frame will

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hold but what about the foam isn't it just gonna fall off

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only one way to find out uh do you mind passing me just one of those single frames uh there's some right there

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oh thanks david

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yeah there you go okay

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there you go there you go bud stretch

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the tape is on that side yeah i see it

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there's no way this works i am not super hopeful i don't think you

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got that one corner closest to you

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i guess you're ready to double down now yeah let's do it okay let's get the

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ladder does elgato intend for these to go on the ceiling uh i think this is

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outside their scope

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sorry a little bit ceiling crap

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you okay

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feels like i inhaled a feather or something do you have a water bottle

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here unfortunately no my

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lttstore.com water bottle is not here otherwise i'd be fine

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the idea is to distribute our five percent as though that's all we have so

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we're going to try and get some paneling on pretty much every

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surface uh bell over there is mounting free above the eye wash station for

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example now obviously before we roll out a bunch

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of these next to something like a welding station we want to make sure they have at least

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some level of fire resistance see if i can actually

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there you go okay we have a fire extinguisher don't worry

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it's right there

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that's a lot of heat okay wow i'm convinced

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should be fine this was one we cut up for a different deployment over on the

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podcast set so it's a sacrificial one oh

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it stinks but yeah what could go wrong

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he sings this while he's holding things over expensive equipment yeah what could

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go wrong they definitely work better on the wall

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than they do on the ceiling although so far everything we put up has stayed

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but you know what's more impressive is everything we've got up here so far is

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still cheaper than yeah this thing this kit from auralex

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660 dollars for like honestly

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i'd be surprised if that single foam type one even performs as well as this

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we'll see they're thicker though i think uh not really

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fair enough you know what guys we've got 19 more panels to put up and i don't

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know about you guys but i'm already noticing a

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huge difference we're back on both my 416 as well as my

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lavalier microphone you guys can hear the differences between those the quick

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brown fox jumped over the lazy dog the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog

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now i'm just gonna come around here and

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we're gonna do a second sweep okay approximately five percent coverage and

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start we retested last time i moved away so

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dang that's actually i mean

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it's not that i can't hear the difference i can totally hear the difference i like i believe it but still

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that's really impressive five percent coverage with these things and we went

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from a peak of 0.9 seconds at sort of around the

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range of my speaking voice all the way to about point six point six and change

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i mean you can tell el elgato clearly targeted

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human speech frequencies because that's what this product is designed for

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because that's where we see the biggest improvement right in that 400 to

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approximately 1500 hertz range

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wow even up to around three kilohertz it's like pretty darn good like how does

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it sound better to you if i'm hosting a video okay david we're we're building

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this computer this is a super cool build by the way make sure you're subscribed

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so you don't miss this one sounds way better

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wow that's awesome let's put up a few more let's get that

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big flat spot there dealt with i don't know maybe like you know a strip down

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there and then we'll we'll call it yeah

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everything's been going really well so far but david i just noticed something i thought i was kind of imagining it

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before but look at this there's some inconsistency in the color of the

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foam so if this was a major aesthetic

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thing for you um just be aware like this one's basically

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silver compared to this one which is more like black do you see that yeah i

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didn't i wasn't sure until i saw these two next to each other like they're a

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little all over the place but if you buy one pack i would imagine they're closer

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at least without any clear objective we kind of put some more on until it looked

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nice i think it looks pretty nice in here and we ended up with a total of 210

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square feet which it's kind of looking dangerously close

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to 69 percent hold on let's check it 10 divided by 35 30.

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5.9 5.9 one short but that's okay

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let's go ahead and run our second our third rather our third

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sweep actually wait i forgot to do this again the quick brown fox jumped over

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the lazy dog the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog all right okay now

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let's do our sweep i i think it's actually better again i could be wrong i

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could be imagining it that is why we have objective

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measurements we added another six boxes giving us approximately

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5.9 coverage and let's go ahead and start it guys ready

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wow big improvement again check this out

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guys we just shaved off another anywhere from

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0.1 to 0.2 of a second in the range that

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we care about which is kind of in here this is honestly way better than i

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expected like this is completely usable now i we could keep putting on panels

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but honestly i just don't really feel like it's necessary we can take these panels we can treat other areas in the

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studio i you know what you guys might

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look at the cost of this 2100 and you might think whoa that's a lot of money

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and it is but compared to what normal acoustic treatment panels cost from

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specialty vendors they are darn freaking reasonable remember this is a big room

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now obviously you could save a lot of money doing it yourself with rock wool

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or ultra touch batting and a wooden frame

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absolutely but considering the overall package here i think Corsair's got

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excuse me elgato has a winner on their hands

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real careful oh god oh god oh god no no i'm kidding

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i'm fine