1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:06,720 your computer is nothing without the motherboard it carries both power and 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:12,320 data between every critical system component be it a CPU SSD or lowly 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:15,280 keyboard if it was a system of the body it would be kind of like your 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:20,160 circulatory system and your nervous system combined everything plugs into it 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:24,400 thankfully we've got standards that tell us exactly what goes where which 6 00:00:23,439 --> 00:00:27,599 uh wait what are these 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:33,120 and whoa what is this why does the CPU go on the 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:37,120 back of this one can this really be legal 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:41,680 only if it's legal to have fun so for fun today we're gonna show you 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:45,760 guys some wacky standard breaking motherboards and tell you why on earth 11 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:51,280 they should even exist in the first place speaking of existing ridge wallet does 12 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:55,280 do that ridge wallet has redefined the traditional wallet with its compact 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:59,840 frame and rfid blocking plates keep your wallet bulge down and use offer code 14 00:00:57,039 --> 00:01:02,239 Linus to save 10 and get free worldwide shipping 15 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:16,560 let's kick things off with the portwell peb 9783 g2 ar it's a relatively 16 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:20,720 unassuming little board standard micro atx CPU socket memory slots pretty much 17 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:28,720 where they're supposed to be this one's a little bit off kilter but then bam look at the rear eye oh 18 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:32,159 20 usb ports of which six of them are 19 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:34,880 rated for 10 gigabit operation that is a 20 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:39,439 ridiculous amount of usb expansion so much that i can't even conceive of a 21 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:43,360 legitimate desktop use case for it which is probably for the best since you won't 22 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:47,840 be powering this motherboard off of a normal desktop power supply either it 23 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:51,920 uses this pair of screw-on power terminals and i have no idea where i'd 24 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:55,520 get a power adapter for this thing it did not come with one but ignoring that 25 00:01:53,840 --> 00:02:00,479 we've got three display outputs along with dual gigabit Ethernet meaning this 26 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:03,280 is one hefty boy in terms of io i mean 27 00:02:00,479 --> 00:02:07,920 you'd think you'd need a beefy CPU like a threadripper with tons of pci express 28 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:12,879 lanes to power this thing but in fact you do not it uses xeon branded 10th gen 29 00:02:10,959 --> 00:02:17,680 core cpus that do get a few extra enterprise features but none of those 30 00:02:14,959 --> 00:02:22,879 involve additional io it's just the same four lane dmi 3.0 link between the 31 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:27,760 chipset here and the CPU just like you'd have on a regular desktop board so some 32 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:33,200 back of the napkin math here seems to suggest that the total rated theoretical 33 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:38,080 throughput of all these usb ports would be nearly five times greater than the 34 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:42,239 bandwidth available between the CPU and chipset so 35 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:46,080 uh good luck with that to be fair to portwell here though this thing is not 36 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:50,640 intended for balls to the wall transfer speeds at all times and that's reflected 37 00:02:48,239 --> 00:02:55,360 in how these usb ports are connected to the system with a mixture of chipset 38 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:59,120 connected ports and ports connected to as media controllers you can actually 39 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:03,599 see these three right here that means that no one controller is going to be 40 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:08,239 totally overwhelmed by high speed i o and it means that you can strategically 41 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:12,640 connect high speed devices and lower speed devices depending on your needs 42 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:17,120 according to portwell this type of board is intended for things like autonomous 43 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:22,159 vehicles industrial automation manufacturing robots and things like 44 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:26,480 that so lots of cameras and lots of low bandwidth io for controlling servos and 45 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:30,400 what have you that use case is exemplified not only by how many usb 46 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:34,799 ports the board has but by other things like how many serial ports it's got two 47 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:40,720 which can be switched between rs 422 and 485 modes and also this crazy pci 48 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:47,040 express 16x connector that's at a 90 degree angle and then also rotated 180 49 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:50,959 degrees meaning that this board is designed for some seriously weird 50 00:03:49,519 --> 00:03:54,239 chassis layouts a lot of support components are actually 51 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:58,159 on the rear of the board as well and there are even eight general purpose i o 52 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:02,560 pins here somewhere those are very useful for controlling 53 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:05,840 simple electronics although i couldn't tell you where they are since they're 54 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:09,599 unlabeled and there's no manual available but that's okay you don't need 55 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:13,280 a manual to figure out how to wear a dad hat the hardest part is picking the 56 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:18,560 right color and design so you can get your dad to help 57 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:21,440 wow a dad hat thanks Linus portwell's great but we've got more in our batch of 58 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:26,800 weird boards and one of the more well-known ones is the anctech rev q270 59 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:30,400 cernia here which is a relatively normal looking motherboard you've got your 60 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:34,240 display outputs your type c your dual gigabit Ethernet actually pretty 61 00:04:32,479 --> 00:04:38,880 impressive rear i o but then you look at the front and like what 62 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,840 this thing has no CPU socket you'd be forgiven for thinking that maybe the CPU 63 00:04:40,479 --> 00:04:46,080 is soldered on because there's more to this story because even the chipset is 64 00:04:43,919 --> 00:04:50,400 missing here it's when we flip around that we see what's really going on here 65 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:53,440 the CPU socket and the chipset are just chilling back here like it's no big deal 66 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:57,280 but yeah big deal how the heck are you 67 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:00,639 supposed to put this thing in a regular case without all kinds of headaches 68 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:04,320 mounting your cooler as it turns out this design is specifically made to 69 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:08,479 remove headaches that other cooling arrangements can create think about it 70 00:05:06,479 --> 00:05:12,479 you've got your pc controlling the cnc mill or other connected mega tool and 71 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:17,199 there's shards of sawdust fiberglass metal you name it flying all around the 72 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:21,280 room that stuff's a recipe for a very bad time if it gets ingested by typical 73 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:25,520 air intake fans so if you still want to be able to access your i o your choices 74 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:28,880 are to use cable extensions or relocate your cooling to the other side of the 75 00:05:27,039 --> 00:05:32,240 pcb it's the same story if you're dealing with extremely temperature 76 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:36,960 sensitive work equipment or maybe you're near a forage where the intake would be 77 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:41,039 inundated with extremely hot air gosh dang forge this way you can more 78 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:45,840 easily duck the cooling and potentially operate entirely passively oh and one 79 00:05:43,919 --> 00:05:50,240 neat little feature is this at mode jumper it's not in the manual but what 80 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:54,080 it does is makes it so the pc stays on as long as the power button is active so 81 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:58,639 you can have a hard switch like you'd see on a power supply with on or off 82 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:02,880 again more of an industrial thing but chunky switches are super satisfying so 83 00:06:01,039 --> 00:06:06,960 i like it okay that is a niche use case well how 84 00:06:05,919 --> 00:06:09,759 about something that you might have actually seen before without realizing 85 00:06:09,039 --> 00:06:16,160 it this bad boy right here is the shenzhen 86 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:20,160 zeal all za sk1050 and it has both a 87 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:22,720 regular CPU socket and a GeForce gtx 88 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:26,240 1050 ti built into it why 89 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:30,720 well it's actually billed as a tv motherboard which seems like a poorly 90 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:35,440 translated way of saying digital signage and that seems about right not only do 91 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:40,560 we have that 1050 ti which is much more capable of 3d acceleration than Intel 92 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:42,560 onboard graphics but there are twin lvds 93 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:49,120 headers on the motherboard both capable of driving a 1080p display and in fact 94 00:06:46,479 --> 00:06:55,280 the i o on this thing is spread around in a very unusual way both the left and 95 00:06:52,800 --> 00:07:00,319 right edges of the board are absolutely brimming with ports so if we assume that 96 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:05,919 the CPU is on top then on the right we've got a 19 volt power connector HDMI 97 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:10,160 gigabit Ethernet usb 3.0 SATA and audio but wait a second these are some of 98 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:14,400 these are internal connectors what's up with SATA and what's this little weird 99 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:17,759 SATA labeled block next to it ah yes 100 00:07:15,599 --> 00:07:21,039 these are cool right these SATA power connectors are common on a lot of 101 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:26,240 embedded motherboards because they take external power that means that kind of 102 00:07:23,919 --> 00:07:30,880 like the atx 12 volt only standard that Intel's been pushing this motherboard is 103 00:07:28,479 --> 00:07:34,720 responsible for handling all peripheral power usually using an adapter that 104 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:39,039 plugs in as a single block into the back of your drive like this one around the 105 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:45,120 other side we've got what looks like an HDMI port but is actually an lpc bus 106 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:49,039 port for debugging not entirely sure how you'd use it but it's nice that it's 107 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:53,680 there and then next to that are SATA power and data ports those lvds 108 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:58,319 connectors a usb 3 front panel connector a backlight inverter connector and a 109 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:02,160 single usb usb2 header to say that this is non-standard would be like saying 110 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:05,520 Linus drops things sometimes wait a minute was this written with alex in 111 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:11,280 mind okay you know what whatever it's just it's seriously weird presumably the idea 112 00:08:09,039 --> 00:08:14,960 is that this would mount to a box in the back of the digital sign and then break 113 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:19,440 out into all the connectors that it needs from there and the 1050 ti is in 114 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:23,280 there to make sure that it's got enough power to drive whatever animations that 115 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,240 you're going to run on the displays aside from that there's not much else 116 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:33,440 going on with this other than the distinct lack of expansion slots other 117 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:35,599 than an m.2 SATA 2240 port and an m.2220 118 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:39,440 slot that's marked for wi-fi RAM is handled by ddr4 sodiums and you 119 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:43,200 thankfully get two slots stacked on top of each other to play with similar to 120 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:47,440 how a thicker laptop might keep a low profile boring 121 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:52,000 okay fair enough enough with the industrial boards let's talk about 122 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:57,360 something a little bit more practical this little number from pc win max 123 00:08:55,200 --> 00:09:02,880 well it's pretty normal looking right out of the gate here you've got a pci 124 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:06,880 express 16x slot a 1x slot two ddr3 RAM 125 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:09,920 slots SATA ports a really poorly placed 126 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:12,959 usb 3.0 header and even fairly normal 127 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,480 rear i o ps2 HDMI vga four usb ports and 128 00:09:12,959 --> 00:09:19,120 gigabit Ethernet wait are you sure this is a weird board 129 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,519 i mean have you guys noticed what makes it weird yet 130 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:28,640 ah yes it's the socket what is that 131 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:32,080 that is pga 989 and what uses it is 132 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,360 mobile 2nd and 3rd gen Intel core series 133 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:38,640 cpus yep we're looking at a desktop board 134 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:43,279 that was made for mobile cpus that first launched back in 2011. so you might look 135 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:48,240 at this and say well that's got to be some kind of ancient relic of the past 136 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:54,080 but if this date code on it is anything to go by it was actually manufactured on 137 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:56,560 christmas day in 2018. what gives well 138 00:09:54,080 --> 00:10:02,160 remember back at computex 2019 when we started seeing new x79 motherboards for 139 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:05,600 ivybridge high-end desktop cpus this 140 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:09,440 just so happens to coincide with that and my best guess is that these 141 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:13,279 components were being recycled around that time and found their way over to 142 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:18,640 china where still good components were repurposed to become low-cost options 143 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:22,399 for pc builds it makes sense i mean you might have thrown out that old laptop 144 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:26,240 with a busted screen and a battery that looks like it ate too much at the buffet 145 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:31,040 but the components on the main board were probably still totally fine and we 146 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:36,160 saw something very similar recently actually with haswell mobile cpus being 147 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:39,920 transplanted into desktop CPU form factors 148 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:42,959 this kind of upcycling honestly is kind of awesome and i wish that it happened 149 00:10:41,839 --> 00:10:48,720 more often unfortunately finding a CPU to match a 150 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:51,440 board like this is a little tough by 151 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:55,760 third gen most cpus were being soldered directly to the motherboard using ball 152 00:10:53,360 --> 00:11:01,360 grid arrays rather than pin grid array sockets and the only one that i know for 153 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:05,760 sure uses pins is the core i7 3920xm 154 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:07,760 which goes for around 130 to 150 on ebay 155 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,880 worth it considering that i'm not even sure 156 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:14,959 they're selling these boards anymore probably not but why don't we take a 157 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:17,040 look at what was in the other pc win max box 158 00:11:15,839 --> 00:11:21,600 okay this is a really weird board 159 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:26,240 it says it's itx but it's clearly much smaller than that i mean i can hold it 160 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:30,560 in one hand the model number says epic m37 which really doesn't help any you 161 00:11:28,959 --> 00:11:35,600 certainly won't be installing an epic server CPU on this thing so from what i 162 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:40,160 can tell it's a similar concept to the other pc winmax motherboard but a little 163 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:45,360 more integrated because you can see if we flip it around ah yes our CPU is now 164 00:11:43,839 --> 00:11:48,720 soldered and then we've got an additional chipset on here that 165 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:54,399 according to the marking seems to suggest it is an hm65 so this is an 166 00:11:52,079 --> 00:11:59,600 earlier sandy bridge arrow board with a single ddr3 soda on the front and two 167 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:03,760 mini PCIe slots one of those is probably SATA only given that the age of this 168 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:07,920 chipset means you wouldn't be able to boot from an NVMe drive even if you had 169 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,839 a compatible SSD oh yeah speaking of chipsets get 170 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:16,480 subscribed because we are going to find out once and for all if you really get 171 00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:20,720 more performance out of a high-end chipset motherboard 172 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:26,160 io on this puppy is pretty limited just four usb ports gigabit Ethernet vga and 173 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:29,040 HDMI input power is actually 174 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:31,279 kind of an unknown here it just says dc jack one 175 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:37,600 so just start trying things starting with 12 volt and hope you don't fry it i mean 176 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:41,839 it can't require that much juice all it's got on it is 177 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:46,959 CPU one stick of RAM maybe a couple mini PCIe devices Ethernet and usb 178 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:50,880 okay technically there's SATA power on here as well but that kind of goes 179 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:54,000 against the spirit of building with something that's tiny surely you're not 180 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:58,079 going to put a big old hard drive in it this one is so tiny that there's not 181 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,200 much else to say about it the one additional feature that would make it 182 00:12:59,519 --> 00:13:06,480 interesting is a serial port and unfortunately there isn't one on here so 183 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:11,040 it's really just a tiny pc and your guess is as good as mine as to how 184 00:13:08,639 --> 00:13:15,440 exactly the cooler is supposed to mount to it there's no mounting points for one 185 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:19,200 not even for the chipset maybe whatever CPU this is doesn't need one yeah no 186 00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:23,279 that's definitely that's definitely not right this was but a small taste of 187 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:26,720 what's out there guys we had at least three more that we wanted to get in for 188 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:30,959 this video that just never arrived like this x79 motherboard with only two RAM 189 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,600 slots so let us know if some of the weirder motherboards that you've seen 190 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:38,720 and maybe we'll circle back and take another shot at this because there is 191 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:42,959 no shortage of them out there just like there's no shortage of segways 192 00:13:40,399 --> 00:13:46,800 to our sponsor manscaped manscaped provides an all-in-one grooming kit that 193 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:50,959 has you covered from head to toe their performance package 4.0 features their 194 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:55,519 awesome lawnmower 4.0 waterproof body trimmer their weed whacker ear and nose 195 00:13:53,279 --> 00:13:59,440 hair trimmer plus a whole lot of other goodies for a limited time you'll get 196 00:13:57,519 --> 00:14:04,959 all of this plus two free gifts the shed travel bag 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