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whoa i'm using gyro control i've got an hour

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and a half hands on with the valve steam deck and i'm going to be plugging as

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many dongles in and running as many games as they're going to let me run i

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brought everything i need to answer as many of your questions as i can

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including a nintendo switch as well as an a neo so i can compare ergonomics as

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well as a thermal camera they won't let me open it even though i did bring my

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eye fixture kit just in case they were gonna allow it they didn't they didn't

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i'm putting it away i'm sorry okay so at least maybe i can show you

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guys you know hey where's the cooling system where the where are the hot zones

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these are early units these are engineering units so these are going to be far from the final experience but

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i mean i'm going to be one of the first in the world to even touch rd and a2

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first things first they are not going to let me directly capture off the device

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today hopefully that along with a disassembly is something that we can

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follow up on for you guys in the future but what we can do

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is we can record the gaming experience this

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this is it this is me picking it up immediate

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impressions absolutely raw ergonomics of the handles of the

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controller itself i think they've actually done a really outstanding job i

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mean it shouldn't be a surprise the ill-fated steam controller for all of

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its quirks was absolutely a comfortable

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controller to hold and in spite of the fact that my hands are pretty small

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like i am easily able to reach everything from these thumb pads to the

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joysticks the d-pad and abxy i mean if you're a retro gamer if you want to play

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you know emulated snazz games or anything like that this is what you're

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going to be into and ooh the feeling is actually

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pretty good considering how early these units are

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d-pad is smooth to roll but has a good click for each individual direction the

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abx y i can tell these are a little bit early you can see you can actually feel

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it the b is a little bit different it's a little bit wobblier you can see it's actually a little bit of a different

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shape compared to the other ones it looks weird but it actually feels

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exactly like the other ones to the thumb so no problem there i like these valve guys

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i walked in they said no no no no no no no no and then all of a sudden they were

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like okay well you can try your monitor and they're saying you can try to

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capture it's not going to work on this unit but we might actually be able to do

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it on the desktop docked one over there these are in sandbox mode so we can't

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have the desktop experience so that's the thing you guys got to understand

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this is not a game console like a nintendo switch where it's this

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completely locked down thing it's going to run a custom version of Linux so all

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these games are going to be running through the proton compatibility layer but fundamentally this is just a pc it's

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a zen 2 CPU with four cores eight threads at anywhere from i believe it's

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2.4 to 3.5 gigahertz it's going to have some kind of rdna2 based GPU integrated

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into it 16 gigs of lpddr5 memory and

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that bit is critical because it's actually running at 5500 mega transfers

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per second quad channel that's insane

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we've actually never seen to my knowledge outside of

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bespoke console chips we've never seen

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any kind of pc built with that kind of memory bandwidth to an integrated GPU

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and you got to remember an integrated GPU has to share bandwidth with the CPU

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so the more you can have the absolute better now in terms of storage they're

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going to have 64 gigs of emmc on the 399

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unit that is not going to be enough thankfully the microsd expansion card uh

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yes right there you can actually see we're using it on these demo units is

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going to allow you to install a much larger game library than that i mean in

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the terabytes but microsd

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i mean especially when you consider the way that game development is going

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relying on these super fast ssds and the playstation 5 and the xbox series is

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it doesn't feel very future future-proof if i were you i'd go for the 256 which

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is going to be 529 or the 128 which is going to be 649. now

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that SSD is not upgradable but i can pretty much guarantee that the

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good folks that i fix it will find a way a couple more housekeeping items it's

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got a 40 watt hour battery which is fairly comparable to devices like the a

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and neo and this usbc port which is used for charging is a bog standard USB-C

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port so that means you could use it with standard peripherals like check this out

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here's a random five-year-old usb hub i'll plug it in and boom

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i am using my mouse which is important

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and i will show you guys why this mouse is so important later

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i mean really a huge part of the story here for me is the sheer choice

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available to the gamer even before i plug in a mouse and navigate the

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interface using that i have three different options for

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navigation i can use the d-pad i can use

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the thumbstick i can use the touchpad which i think they've still got a little

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bit of tuning to do on the haptics but it is a very interesting feel

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definitely a step forward from the steam controller of your yeah it's got a

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little bit too much uh like kind of vibration and not haptics right now

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we're gonna tune it he says yeah i bet they will turning around to the back we

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find a little confusing thing that may or may not get changed with the final

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units uh we're whopping four buttons on

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both the right and left sides so you've got your l1 l2 this is an analog trigger

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so it's going to be great for throttle control and things like racing games as

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well as l4 and l5 here is l3 bound to

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something else it's bound to pressing down the stick

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there you go so uh it's just a little bit of a weird

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numbering thing there are in fact four buttons

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down to each side and it's kind of up to you to decide how you want to use them

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after all that i forgot about a control scheme touch you can scroll through the game

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library click on it and boom why don't we play some doom eternal now valve has

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taken some criticism for this move with some people saying that 1280x800 is not

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enough resolution in the year 2021 but i'm going to defend them here just like

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i did with the a neo and just like i did with the nintendo switch OLED edition

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at this screen size it is enough and

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from my perspective i would much rather be running at 60 frames per second more

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often it's a 60hz display compared to running at

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30 frames per second and 1080p and we

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are still limited by you know what is fundamentally an ultrabook crammed into

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a handheld gaming console how awesome is this they're at exactly

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the same spot as my save game on the a neo which is just right near the

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beginning of the game this is cool this gives us a look at the pause menu so we can adjust screen

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brightness audio oh that's right it does have built-in

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microphones at least two of them i can't remember if there are more than that for

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noise cancellation i do not see any others but it does at least have

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a two mic array wi-fi bluetooth there's

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an advantage over the nintendo switch can you even believe the new OLED one is

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not going to support bluetooth headphones still i mean talk about

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things that make no sense in 2021 that

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that right there we can turn haptics on it well i want haptics on

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okay now something that is built into this

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game conveniently that they didn't tell me i'm not allowed to turn on

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is performance metrics

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oh hold on a second we gotta tune this first though

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this is this is an ugly default setup here

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you know what let's tune them both at the same time

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okay yeah running at native resolution that is not gonna be a thing

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overall quality medium apply changes

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yeah yeah go ahead and roll i mean this is this is the experience ed

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this is what the people want to see

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okay so we're getting anywhere from around 40

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we're seeing some dips down to like 20.

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that's pretty much to be expected

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i'm actually going to turn these speakers down they do sound great though

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i mean you do end up with a much larger face

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than something like the a neo but the speakers are pointed at you so

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it kind of comes back to the old htc one like experience is it worth it to you to

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have a big speaker girl looking at you and you know actually be able to hear what you're listening to or do you want

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a kind of a sleeker looking device

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the weight is good it's got a good size to weight ratio it doesn't feel cheap

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but it also doesn't feel too heavy i have not like compared the FPS numbers

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looking at exactly the same thing yet but running almost all medium i turned

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off motion blur because it's for plebs and like tuned a couple of other little

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things but mostly medium and i locked it at native resolution valve had it set to

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dynamic resolution which doesn't tell us anything about the performance

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it is a way smoother experience so if

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your question was does rdna 2 run better than vega the

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answer is yes even if you have to sacrifice a couple of CPU cores in order

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to get there oh valve also has the

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significant advantage in terms of joystick although

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to the aneo's credit it's a little bit more

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pocketable or like sleevable if you want to slide it into a little pouch in your

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backpack you can see the profile especially if we account for the height

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of the joysticks is at least twice as deep for the steam

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deck compared to um well really i would say this is the most comparable handheld

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on the market right now looking out into the skybox i don't have

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a lot of character models on screen or anything like that but

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based on this very early hardware

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running very early software i would be surprised if we don't see somewhere in

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the neighborhood of a 50 performance uplift

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over a similarly equipped device and what we know based on what valve has

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told us about the internal battery and the estimated battery run time is that

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the power envelope of these two chips is fairly similar

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not bad something i noticed holding them side by

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side like this is that there's a much more muted glare on the steam deck

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compared to the a neo especially off

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axis okay but this shouldn't be a huge mystery because they've actually

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look at this they did r d check this out

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so they've got different types of glass over here that they're showing us so

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that we can compare what happens with an anti-glare etched glass

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versus just a regular glass that is going to be like hey where's my camera

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lens hi ed can you see me can you see me in the glass head okay

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how about this one can you see me

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no yeah but you're not as clear right

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you only get the premium etched glass on the 512 gig model but at 649 that's

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starting to look like a good deal just for the glass i mean apple wouldn't even

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give you a stand for their etched glass monitor at that price

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now that we've got the game running well it's time to try some alternate control schemes these are touch sensitive

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joysticks so as soon as i put my finger on it whoa

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i'm using gyro control now valve's had support for gyro control with

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playstation controllers for some time now but

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having it integrated into the device rather than something that you need to

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plug in a third-party controller in order to use is pretty freaking sick now

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it's more for fine control i guess let's see

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yeah it's more for fine-tuning your aim so you get there with the stick and then you fine tune

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with the gyro that is pretty awesome

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it's a good way to like hold on target while an opponent is you know moving

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around or whatever

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it's gonna take me a little while to get used to it for sure like the fact that i

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have to touch this in order for it to work oh you can also touch this pad

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so you can just be touching this pad and you can look with this as well so more

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like a like a touch pad but less horrendous what happens if uh like

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the meat of your thumb

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i think you just shouldn't do that honestly it'd be very hard to do that like ergonomically

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i don't see it as a problem now that both of these have been running due maternal for about 15 minutes i'm ready

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to talk about noise and thermals now when it comes to fan noise there's the

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the volume like the the sound pressure level but there's also the quality of

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the noise

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and the a and neo though my understanding is after the first 500

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units they're getting a different fan along with analog triggers and a couple

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of other little upgrades definitely has a higher pitch to it

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but i would say both of them are similar in terms of their volume which makes

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sense given that we've already inferred that the power envelope of these chips is quite similar now i want to pull up

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thermal camera i've been really looking forward to this

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there's two main reasons i want to look at the thermals one is i want to see if

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it will give me any hints as to the internal layout of the device and two is

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i want to know how comfortable the touch surfaces are going to be when you've

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been sitting gaming on this thing for half an hour an hour two hours five

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hours who knows valve says it can go up to eight hours if you're running light

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loads although it should be noted it won't get nearly as hot when you're running those kinds of applications

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curiously both the a and neo which we're looking at right now

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and the steam deck have their hot spots on the right so maybe there's a good

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reason that it was done that way both of them managed to maintain very

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reasonable grip temperatures but you can see the a neo is

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notably hotter so it's sitting at around 35 degrees

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around the left thumb stick there while the steam deck

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probably thanks to the fact that it's larger

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is more in the neighborhood of 27.

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the touchpad is 29 just shy of 30 on the

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right and very similar over on the left hand side let's flip them over

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there's the a neo conveniently a shipped me a clear unit so we can actually see

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everything CPU's here ssds here

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batteries here and then the actual heatsink is here so that gives us a

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really kind of good idea of what we're what these heat signatures might look

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like uh okay well let's see how we do here oh

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okay there might actually be some insights

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here this is almost definitely our

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CPU slash GPU this could be memory or storage

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this big block here i'd be surprised if it's not a battery or something like

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that it does have a little bit of of heat output to it and this right here

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now that's interesting that's our intake but there's

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quite a lot of thermal activity right around it you know what maybe we can

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peek through this grill and find out what that thing you can see there's a

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little there's a little outline here let's see if we can figure out what that

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is nope the answer is a big fat no to my

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eyes that is completely impenetrable

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since we're back here though once again grip temperature is advantage valve with

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the a and neo being as high as 35 degrees where your index fingers might

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rest around the back of the grip and valve is sitting

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i mean maximum 28 degrees

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so they did go big they lost that compactness but what they gained is a

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more enjoyable thermal experience for the user

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uh you guys are doing great in terms of grip temperatures that's their goal

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see that oh nice so it's like

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night and day so there's too much you can see there's too much uh kind of

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leaked heat from this uh heatsink here so the intake's here and there's too

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much kind of spreading out in this direction and then you guys have

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basically kicked it all straight out it looks like you've got pretty good

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kind of shrouding it looks like we could probably use a longer intake if i was to

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kind of just look at this and say you know hey

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what would i do not that you guys care but it looks like there's a little bit

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more cooling needed here from the intake because there's still a pretty significant heating uh signature here

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even though there's nice fresh air coming in it looks like you guys have some kind of shroud covering whatever

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this is i'm if i had to guess i'd say maybe SSD or

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something like that but i don't know for sure obviously

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there's some kind of chipset there maybe there's a micro sd reader i don't know

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i don't know only you can know you'll find out soon yeah no there you go

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apparently we're not getting any answers today now one point of contention for some

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users is the top location of the charging slash usbc port i can

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understand it both ways on the one hand it's a little bit more ergonomic to have

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something hanging down while you're sitting like this but on the other hand

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if you are you know lying in bed or something like that that's going to put

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a lot of strain on a bottom mounted port now

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aya obviously worked around this by just having them on the top and the bottom

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but valve for whatever reason didn't seem to

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feel it was necessary to add more so when you're charging or when you want to

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dock and plug into a wired Ethernet connection you're going to have

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something hanging off of the top of the device the good news is that as i

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mentioned before the weight is very comfortable so even having this

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dongle hanging off of it it's not bad

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it's not bad now it's time for the next act

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valve was very particular about which games we're running i'm installing cs go

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you know the developer has to give permission so they didn't have cs go on

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these devices we had to get special permission from the developer in order

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to run it in all seriousness that is fairly

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standard practice at hardware launches but the reason i want cs go is because

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the m4 has a really bright muzzle flash that i can use for the NVIDIA ldap

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here we go now i pre-tested the a neo and what we're looking at with the ldap

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is the total latency from click to photon

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so what kind of internal input lag the

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steam deck might have so far it's felt really good but

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feelings are just feelings and numbers are better so we're going to go ahead

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and strap this on i

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pre-adjusted it i'm kind of expecting it to be a little bit smaller in person

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but that's okay this is quite an unusual control scheme

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i wouldn't expect most people to prefer it but

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hey there you go what's interesting is even though we've loaded up a few games

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now whether we're coming off of the internal SSD or the microsd expansion card it's

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been fine but then direct storage also you know

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isn't a thing yet um so we'll see

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then again direct storage on Linux will that even will that even be a thing

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it's hard to play with the ldap covering the screen the game's running really smoothly

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though i've been extremely pleased with

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the gaming experience in everything i've tried so far

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okay i want to get about 20 if i can

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we got 40 seconds till the bomb goes off

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okay good enough on average it is

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measurably better than the anu and this is even in its early state right now

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what they're showing here is a functionality called bookmarks where i mean if you've been paying attention to

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steam for the last 15 years it's got a built-in web browser right so

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essentially what you're doing is you're just bookmarking a web page whether it's

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something like twitch or netflix and you're able to use it to

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consume content on them that's pretty cool i could see people hacking all

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kinds of fascinating functionality into this

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just like that eh let's go ahead and pick something people

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won't judge me for

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responsive man i wish it had an OLED display

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i truly do and this is an area where the 720p resolution does hurt it more in my

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opinion than in gaming something where you're supposed to have that super sharp

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cinematic look versus a game where you know honestly you're moving around so

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much all the time that your eyes natural motion blur is going to fill in a lot of

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the gaps 1080p would have been nice for content

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consumption credit to valve for their tuning of the display out of the box by

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the way at least at this early stage of development they haven't put it in any

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kind of gross vivid profile everything looks to my eye

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accurate to what i would expect from a color accurate display so that's awesome

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scott insisted i show this one this is a mind-blowing demonstration this my

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friends is online multiplayer that's right i've got one pc here and over the

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power of the internet scott look at this we are playing a

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co-op game he's on his steam deck

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you guys are super tech savvy you guys know what's up this thing is a

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full-fledged gaming pc so if it wasn't already clear

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that's it it's one of those but smaller hey i just

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got permission to try my own monitor let's see what happens

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i would like to try usbc displayport in

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is it worth a shot all right hey should be fine that's famous last

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words right there hey if it doesn't work

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if this even makes it into the video we're not

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just like that so if you weren't already convinced that this is a full fat

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pc just in a handheld form factor well

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this should pretty much do it so can i just i'm going to switch to external

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screen right that sounds right because it's not a laptop but the the os for

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running things as a laptop and if you were curious if it's going to run 4k 60

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hertz um that's your answer right there i

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think oh it might be at 30 right now it's hard to tell i'm so used to uh no

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it's at 60 hertz freaking awesome

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just like that how relieved are you guys right now

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pleasantly surprised we're gonna go for full completion here

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uh extend to right oh yeah so this is we plugged it

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down honestly the fact that it's working this well already is mind-blowing to me

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so we can even use this display as a secondary display i mean imagine that

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right you're gaming on your steam deck you've got your twitch chat up on your

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actual steam deck while you're using your monitor to play your game or whatever like

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i'll take it by the way they're working on their own dock this is uh daisy chain of right

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angle type c connectors indicates that valve has in fact noticed that the top

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mounted type c is something that does need to be overcome but that's okay they

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have very skilled engineers and i'm sure they're going to sort it out haha first time lttstore.com has been fired up on

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valve's campus actually probably not there's enough nerds that work here any

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valve employees out there already got this shirt it's the new color of our do

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not drop shirt oh yeah mouse pads are in stock

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like for the first time in a very long time valve's making me pack up and get out

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before i can test all my controllers but i'm sure they'll have that compatibility

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pretty much sorted out one thing i do want to squeeze in before we go is a

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quick size comparison with the original nintendo switch this is not the upcoming

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OLED one you can see it can it could basically dock

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under the steam deck but

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okay yeah it's got a size advantage but that's to be expected given that it's

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kind of like comparing a full-blown you know apu equipped ultrabook pc with

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four or five-year-old mid-tier smartphone in terms of hardware

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and neo which is the closest thing that the steam deck has to a competitor the

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steam deck is expected to be shipping sometime in december of this year with

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orders placed now already somewhere in the middle part of next year so what

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that's going to mean for the competitive landscape well with our dna 2

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apu's probably coming around that time it's going to be very interesting i'm

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excited