WEBVTT 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:05.839 30 days ago, David and Plof downgraded 00:00:03.520 --> 00:00:10.719 their GeForce cards for our one month Intel Arc Battle Mage Challenge, and I 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:18.000 am almost ready to give their old cards back. I don't need GPUs to Intel's more 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:20.240 power friendly Battle Mage B580. I don't 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:28.480 need a card that's meant for I don't need it, even 1440p gaming. I definitely 00:00:24.880 --> 00:00:28.480 don't need it. 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:37.600 Or do you? Yes, but probably not for the 00:00:35.440 --> 00:00:41.920 reasons you might think. Really? Crashes and bugs? Nope. Can't game at 4K? Not 00:00:39.760 --> 00:00:47.200 that either. Okay, what is it? I really want to play Stalker 2. Oh, other than 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:51.200 that, the last 30 days went so smooth that it's actually been three more weeks 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:56.239 and I still haven't put my 4090 back into my computer. And I want to take a 00:00:52.879 --> 00:00:58.800 moment to say, dear new Intel CEO guy, 00:00:56.239 --> 00:01:05.119 please keep making these. My month wasn't as smooth smooth like this segue 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:11.760 to our sponsor. Charge. Keep your devices juiced with the Charge Geek 170 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:14.000 W 24,000 mAh power bank. It's got PD3.1 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:20.360 fast charging, three USB ports, and even a neat little information screen. Pick 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:20.360 one up using our link today. 00:01:26.960 --> 00:01:31.759 David, what went well for you over this past actually more than a month now? 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:35.280 We're at like 80 days or something. Really? It's flown by. Right. I was 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:39.439 really impressed with the performance of the B580. Me, too. Obviously, it's a bit 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:43.200 of a downgrade coming from a 3090 and a 7900 XT, and you have to turn down some 00:01:41.520 --> 00:01:46.960 settings, set the internal resolution a little bit lower so I can hit that 60 00:01:44.880 --> 00:01:51.360 FPS target for my living room TV. And so unless I was choosing to focus on it, I 00:01:48.960 --> 00:01:54.479 really wasn't losing out on fun. And at the end of the day, isn't that what 00:01:52.320 --> 00:01:57.680 matters? 100%. This whole experience really made me question the importance 00:01:56.000 --> 00:02:01.600 of technical presentation NVIDIA game graphics. I was in the unique position 00:01:59.600 --> 00:02:05.759 where my partner had no idea that I switched out the GPU. So that forced me 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:11.680 to re-evaluate my hyperfixation on sharpness and visuals and just join her 00:02:08.959 --> 00:02:16.400 on her level when it came to just showing me vistas in a vow and being 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:20.080 wowed by them. And that's it. Initially, I was like, "Oh, that looks grainy and 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:23.920 upscaled, and oh, I can see the artifacts and the fur." But pretty 00:02:22.160 --> 00:02:28.640 quickly, when I allowed myself to do it, I just started seeing the art instead of 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:31.920 just the graphics. And so, when games were working right, I'd say that I had a 00:02:30.160 --> 00:02:37.519 really positive experience. But how about you, Mr. I own a display? 00:02:34.640 --> 00:02:41.599 I also was pleasantly surprised by just how well everything kind of worked. Um, 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:45.360 I was also playing a lot of AAA games and I did the same thing. I didn't turn 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:49.599 my resolution down to 1080p, but I was upscaling constantly because NATO 4K is 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:54.800 just super hard to run. But, uh, God of War Ragnarok, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:59.120 Silent Hill 2, um, they all just ran pretty well as long as I stuck to low or 00:02:56.560 --> 00:03:05.519 medium settings with upscaling. The only game that I pretty much gave up on was 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:07.200 Stalker 2. And I don't know if it's just 00:03:05.519 --> 00:03:11.920 because it's a first person shooter and so I could really feel the lack of 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:16.000 frames uh, with the mouse a lot easier. I gave up on it real fast. I did run 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:19.280 into a bunch of upscaling weirdness that we'll kind of talk about later, but it 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:24.720 actually looked okay. It wasn't the worst I've ever seen. However, 12 gigs 00:03:21.920 --> 00:03:29.840 of VRAM is just straight up not enough for native 4K. No, NVIDIA disagrees. 00:03:28.239 --> 00:03:36.640 They're wrong. Fortunately, I don't need native. You know, uh XSS is pretty solid 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:39.840 and I'm on a 32-in 4K monitor, but I often play like pretty lean back like 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:43.599 this. So, you know, the distance is a bit more. I would look at textures and I 00:03:41.920 --> 00:03:48.480 would nitpick. Like as soon as I turn on the game, I'd sit there and be like, "Oh, that looks ass and that looks bad." 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:51.920 But once I just actually started playing, that kind of goes away. Yeah. 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:58.000 Right. Like you really just start playing the game and you stop like looking at weird textures and stuff. You 00:03:55.599 --> 00:04:02.879 you slowly stop noticing them. The one thing that really impacted my immersion 00:03:59.760 --> 00:04:05.040 though was popping and like LOD pops, 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:09.840 level of detail pops. Even if the rock looks bad, when it like starts forming 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:13.280 differently as you get closer and closer or like background details start kind of 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:16.320 appearing, it's like, "Oh, that's not that's so jarring that it just pops in. 00:04:15.200 --> 00:04:21.680 I don't like that at all." Yeah, I didn't have too many of those issues with the games I was playing where the 00:04:20.239 --> 00:04:25.680 loss were popping cuz I agree. Any kind of pop in Yeah. super distracting or if 00:04:23.919 --> 00:04:29.520 there's like really bad stairstepping or aliasing, that's really bad. But I was 00:04:27.520 --> 00:04:34.800 usually able to get my settings to a place where the whole image was clear 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:38.880 enough and smooth and non-distracting. Yeah, for the most part it didn't affect 00:04:36.880 --> 00:04:43.919 me. Like once I stopped worrying about it, it was totally fine. But what went 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:48.080 poorly? For me, the biggest issue was just stability. I've had more crashes in 00:04:46.479 --> 00:04:52.720 the last 30 days than I had over the last several years combined. The worst 00:04:50.960 --> 00:04:56.800 offender was the computer that I only ddued. I did it again with everything 00:04:55.120 --> 00:05:01.360 checked off and I was getting like one to two crashes every couple hours. 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:05.520 That's a lot. It was mostly in Avowed, which is an Obsidian game, so that might 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:09.520 just be the Obsidian experience, not the Intel experience. And when I switched to 00:05:07.440 --> 00:05:13.199 my other computer, which had a full Windows wipe, it was still getting 00:05:11.520 --> 00:05:18.080 crashes and issues where like the whole computer would turn off or the game would crash itself, but overall it was a 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:22.560 much better experience. And now that I'm playing South of Midnight, I actually haven't had a single crash on that game. 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:26.880 And that's on the computer that was less stable. So, it might just be an Obsidian 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:31.039 thing. The other really big issue that I had was streaming video. And I'm not 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:35.039 talking Twitch where I'm like streaming over the internet. I'm just doing a 00:05:32.960 --> 00:05:39.440 video call over Discord to an editor reviewing a video. Basically, it's video 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:43.440 playback in a browser while streaming and it couldn't do it. I've never had an 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:49.039 issue on any computer I've ever used, including like pretty lowowered laptops. 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:51.600 And it was so bad that I had to stop the streaming to the editor so they couldn't 00:05:50.400 --> 00:05:56.479 see what I was looking at. And I would just tell them the time code. so they could scrub through and I found that 00:05:54.400 --> 00:06:00.000 extremely frustrating. I also uh struggled with capture. I was trying to 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:03.840 stream a Dota match to a friend over Discord. Same thing pretty much. 00:06:01.919 --> 00:06:10.160 Normally it's fine. You know, I have a 4090 probably and it does a great job. I 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:12.080 bet if the B580 was only acting as like 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:16.080 a capture card or that's all it was doing, it would be fine. And I get that 00:06:13.840 --> 00:06:20.400 I'm gaming at 4K and that's not at all what these cards are for, but it 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:24.319 definitely struggled to just stream while gaming. And I imagine if we were 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:28.000 doing everything AV1, we probably wouldn't have had these issues. But 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:32.000 that's just not the state of streaming these days. We're not at everything is 00:06:29.840 --> 00:06:37.919 using AV1. No, they're really not. Other than that though, I kind of struggled to 00:06:35.520 --> 00:06:41.440 capture anything at 4K. So, for instance, I was doing a lot of like 00:06:39.520 --> 00:06:46.000 print screening and just screen capping uh for random stuff. Even if I just took 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:50.080 a print screen of my monitors and then scrub through it and paint, it would 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:55.360 like chug. And that's just, you know, going up and down in paint. I also found 00:06:52.880 --> 00:06:58.560 that I got a couple of graphical issues. They weren't major. You know, it was 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:02.080 just like Cloud's Puldron looked weird and FF7 is all sparkly at one point for 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:08.160 no reason. But aside from that weird texture issue, the biggest things for me was XSS. I noticed upscaling and it was 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:14.000 pretty good. It definitely looks more like DLSS3 than like one or two. But for 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:17.199 instance, with God of War Ragnarok, it was trying to upscale the preview 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:21.520 Windows when you go to upgrade your abilities. And that looked really bad. 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:26.160 It like it's like garbly. Like it genuinely looks like a awful mess. Like 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:29.199 I was completely just enraptured, you know, by the game and good to go. And I 00:07:27.919 --> 00:07:34.880 went to go upgrade an ability and I was like, "Oh yeah, right. I'm playing on my B580." Playing on low, you'd 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:38.639 occasionally get like, "Oh, the water there looks terrible." Yeah. You know, 00:07:36.960 --> 00:07:43.120 you'd come to a certain scene and all of a sudden you're reminded, oh yeah, I'm 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:46.800 playing on low. Or a character would be way off in the distance and you're not 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:52.000 normally looking at them, so it's fine. But all of a sudden, you look at them and their face is a blurry mess that 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:55.120 just looks terrible. But most of that I can ignore, right? I can I can kind of 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:58.720 tune it out and ignore it. I did have a few other more just performance issues. 00:07:57.199 --> 00:08:02.400 For example, I was playing tabletop simulator with my cousin and I was 00:08:01.039 --> 00:08:09.120 waiting for him to take his turn and so I booted up Nubbies Number Factory, which is just like a pegle uh rogue 00:08:06.080 --> 00:08:10.479 light over here. 100% abs. Absolutely. 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:15.520 And normally that's fine. And I can play a game over TTS, especially a light game 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:21.039 like Nubbies or Boltro or whatever, but I would go to like launch my ball down 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:25.039 the Peggle path, and it would just like the frame rate on on Nubbies would just 00:08:23.520 --> 00:08:30.240 tank. And then I encountered something similar in Bolatro. If I'm waiting for a 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:33.279 Dota match, I'll boot up Bolatro, put it 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:35.440 on my main screen, and it ran great 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:38.560 except for when I play a hand, it would chug for like just a second. And it's, 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:42.159 you know, it's not enough to make me stop playing Bellro or anything like 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:46.959 that, but it's just those minor smoothness aspects of it that I kind of 00:08:44.800 --> 00:08:49.920 like that's what I'm paying for when I'm shelling out for like a bigger graphics 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:55.279 card. I'm I'm paying for everything to just kind of work smoothly and perfectly 00:08:51.839 --> 00:08:58.240 at 4K specifically. I also did have one 00:08:55.279 --> 00:09:02.880 crash. Okay, mine was really stable for the most part. Um, but I went to full 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:06.800 screen a web page while I had FF7 open. The whole thing just crashed so hard. 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:10.240 FF7 just crashed on me. Oh, my computer just came back. That took forever to the 00:09:08.959 --> 00:09:14.080 point where I was about to shut it off when it like finally came back on. And 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:18.720 when it did, my sound was gone. There's no audio right now. It's totally busted. 00:09:16.160 --> 00:09:21.519 I had to do a full reset of my system, like a full hard shutdown cuz it wasn't 00:09:20.160 --> 00:09:26.480 even shutting down gracefully. Is your sound going through your GPU? Is it like a HDMI thing or was it just a headphone? 00:09:24.959 --> 00:09:31.680 I don't know if it was just a weird driver crash or something cuz yeah, I 00:09:28.560 --> 00:09:33.360 have a Go XLR and um that's got speakers 00:09:31.680 --> 00:09:36.080 coming out of the Go XLR, but it was just gone. Like I tried YouTube, I tried 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:41.440 a couple other things. cuz I tried enabling like sound settings and stuff and it it was just it was just gone. I I 00:09:39.839 --> 00:09:47.279 have no explanation for it. It didn't happen again, but it was bad. And last 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:52.640 and definitely least, uh I really wanted to play Halfife 2 RTX after we finished 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:58.800 filming and I went home and I sat down in my chair and I went 00:09:54.519 --> 00:10:02.080 to Right. I've got a B580. It's It's not 00:09:58.800 --> 00:10:04.160 going to play HalfLife 2 RTX at 4K, of 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:08.000 course. So, I just didn't even try. That doesn't mean I don't like it. I actually 00:10:05.760 --> 00:10:13.000 liked this card so much that I went and bought one and it fits inside the 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:17.760 commuter bag from ltstore.com is great. It fits a B580. 00:10:16.079 --> 00:10:21.839 That's all I needed to fit. One thing I neglected to mention when we were 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:26.720 upgrading our well downgrading our computers in the last video is that I 00:10:23.839 --> 00:10:32.000 basically did this as a test to see what to upgrade from my 1660 Ti in my living 00:10:30.160 --> 00:10:37.839 room computer cuz I never use it cuz the GPU isn't good enough for my 4K TV. It 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:42.079 turns out this card with 12 gigs of VRAM is totally valid. Like you can actually 00:10:40.079 --> 00:10:45.040 game at 4K. You're going to have to turn stuff down, but it works. So yeah, I 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:50.399 bought the card and I'm super happy with it. I already installed it. That's an empty box. Way to go. And the best part 00:10:47.920 --> 00:10:55.279 is I literally walked into a Memory Express and said, "Hey, I want a B580 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:58.959 and they had one and I paid like $35 over MSRP, but I got the Challenger OC 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:03.839 card." So that's like pretty typical for an AIB card to just pay, you know, a 00:11:00.640 --> 00:11:06.399 little bit over. And uh I walked out. It 00:11:03.839 --> 00:11:10.640 was how buying computer parts should be. I don't have to wait for anything. 00:11:07.680 --> 00:11:14.160 Remember, those were the days. Yeah. I didn't buy one, but the rules stated 00:11:12.640 --> 00:11:18.000 that if I sold the GPU and I was happy with the Ark, I could keep it. And I'm 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:22.600 pretty damn happy with the state of the GPU market. It took me literally five 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:27.120 minutes in one conversation to sell the 3090. And after realizing that Sharper 00:11:25.680 --> 00:11:31.200 Graphics were adding a really questionable amount to my fun, I've 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:35.040 officially decided not to pay for a card that costs about a bajillion dollars 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:39.760 more than your arc over there. To be honest, my plan was to buy a 9070 XT at 00:11:38.560 --> 00:11:43.279 the end of this because it just seems like a great value card, but I've 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:47.920 changed my mind with how hard it's been to find one that's not one of like the 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:52.240 triple OC super versions that costs like twice as much as MSRP. It's just really 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:56.399 frustrating. I'm so sick of the current state of the GPU market and I'm just 00:11:54.160 --> 00:12:01.600 going to hold on to these B580s for another year or two and see how things 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:02.880 settle down and just play games. That 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:06.240 made it sound like you're keeping both B580s, but you're keeping Oh, I thought 00:12:04.640 --> 00:12:10.240 you were keeping your 3090. No, I sold the 3090. Oh, but you have the 7900 XT. 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:16.480 I'm not I'm not going to I'm going to sell that one, too. Oh, you are? Oh, I 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:20.959 didn't know that. I'm done with 4K. Done with it. It's so stupid. It doesn't add 00:12:18.560 --> 00:12:25.120 to your fun, but it looks so pretty. The thing that I've had to realize during 00:12:23.040 --> 00:12:30.240 this challenge is that how much I've allowed myself to buy into the marketing 00:12:27.680 --> 00:12:34.079 hype that is a cycle of constantly needing new tech. I get it. It's partly, 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:38.240 you know, natural training. Like as we've been shown better and better graphics for, wow, I need that. I need 00:12:36.880 --> 00:12:42.720 that. I need that. And it's part of it is just the choice and just accepting 00:12:40.800 --> 00:12:47.680 that like things can look a certain way and it's still beautiful. I think for me 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:52.639 a big part of going down that giant upgrade path started with shooters 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:56.160 because you feel it you feel a low frame rate a lot better with the mouse when I 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:59.920 was really trying to get into like Counter Strike and Valerant when that 00:12:58.079 --> 00:13:04.160 first launched. That's when I was really like, "Oh, I need a better GPU. I need 00:13:01.680 --> 00:13:07.880 faster memory. I need a better CPU." It was like a arms race. I am a little 00:13:05.920 --> 00:13:15.040 nickpicky. I do I do notice this is right off camera 00:13:10.800 --> 00:13:17.839 laughing at me. I I do I do notice like 00:13:15.040 --> 00:13:23.680 DLSS even I notice lowquality textures. I notice a bad model. So there was this 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:28.800 like chasing the dragon that is quality. Mhm. And I've I've got it. I'm keeping 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:32.720 my 4090. And when I want to play like a really demanding game or something that 00:13:30.880 --> 00:13:35.440 I want to look absolutely stunning and I don't want to just like, you know, 00:13:33.920 --> 00:13:39.760 lounge back on my couch with a controller and and not really care about 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:45.399 that stuff, then I'll play on my 4090 on my computer in my den, whatever. and 00:13:41.760 --> 00:13:48.320 that's fine. But it was it was very 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:52.160 refreshing to actually like stop caring about that stuff. The 49 is obviously a 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:57.279 greater card than most people watching this video have, but like you can be 00:13:55.120 --> 00:14:00.480 excited for what you have and not constantly be chasing the next thing. 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:04.240 And there's so many games out there that like, yeah, there might be a big AAA 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:07.199 that you want to play that's a little more demanding and maybe you can't play 00:14:05.680 --> 00:14:10.480 it right now and that does suck, but there's a lot of other games that just come out all the time. Like I've been 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:14.240 playing a ton of schedule one on the B580 and it runs, you know, great. And 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:18.160 even with the B580, it has all the modern features you need to get games 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:22.160 running. I think for a couple more years, if you have a card like that, you 00:14:20.079 --> 00:14:25.760 can play the modern AAA games. And even when it becomes old enough that you 00:14:23.760 --> 00:14:29.760 can't, there's so many games to fall back on. Literally hundreds of thousands 00:14:27.839 --> 00:14:33.040 of games that I haven't played. Maybe it's a good time just to look back and 00:14:31.680 --> 00:14:38.959 play some classics that I've always kind of just ignored. Totally. or look at your Steam library that's got a bunch of 00:14:36.560 --> 00:14:42.079 unplayed games and maybe actually play them for once. But I guess the only 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:44.639 question now is, you know, what's going to happen in the future with Arc. It's 00:14:43.680 --> 00:14:51.360 pretty clear that it's not going anywhere on mobile. The new laptop chips with Battle Mage X graphics are finally 00:14:49.199 --> 00:14:55.680 competitive with AMD, even winning in some key areas. But Intel's whole 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:58.839 desktop lineup has been constantly just rumored that it's going to be cancelled. 00:14:57.360 --> 00:15:02.800 Whether it's Alchemist in the early stages, oh, Alchemist did poorly, so 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:06.399 Battle Mage is done. And now the new B770 and B780s are rumored to be 00:15:04.959 --> 00:15:09.680 cancelled. So like, what about Celestial? Like maybe that's canceled, 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:13.360 too. Who knows? I feel like it's the one thing that Intel is doing right these 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:17.040 days. I'm excited about these GPUs and the ways they can break forward. I've 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:20.240 heard from the script that I'm about to read that NextG Celestial is almost 00:15:18.959 --> 00:15:26.160 certainly still going to have it on desktop, but I heard there was supposed to be a higherend battle mage card and 00:15:23.839 --> 00:15:29.600 that's gone now. Yeah, there's like that sucks. It's I don't think there's going 00:15:27.680 --> 00:15:36.240 to be a B780, which sucks cuz like imagine the cards we have. Yeah. Add 00:15:31.839 --> 00:15:37.680 like $1 $150, but now 16 gigs of VRAM, 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:44.800 so I'm not, you know, I could do native 4K. Performance might be bad, but I'm not going to run out of VRAM. And then 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:47.920 four or six more XE cores, it would be 00:15:44.800 --> 00:15:49.839 like a really, really solid lower 00:15:47.920 --> 00:15:55.680 mid-range choice. I think we're on the cusp of graphics cards being competitive 00:15:53.120 --> 00:16:01.440 again. things need to settle down uh with the import market uh being kind of 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:06.000 crazy and hopefully that does. But it's exciting that Intel finally has a card 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:11.120 that I think a lot of people will want. Again, please Intel, let the engineers 00:16:08.800 --> 00:16:14.880 cook. Take your time. 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But it seems like it was fine. Yeah, that went 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:31.200 way for way worse for you guys. And this was actually pretty good. And I think it really depends on the kind of games you 00:17:29.919 --> 00:17:36.480 play. Like you were saying, mouse and keyboard, it might not be ideal to lose 00:17:33.520 --> 00:17:40.480 out on that amount of frame rates, but for you know, for platformers and action 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:44.640 games, 60 Hz is fine. Dude, back in the day, the overall system just buggginess 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:48.640 was a huge problem. Whereas, it seems like most of your stuff boiled down to I 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:52.240 think you have a bad INC is actually what I think it is possible cuz I've run 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:58.480 into similar issues on other Ryzen systems where swapping out the RAM helps 00:17:54.720 --> 00:18:02.400 a little, but swapping out the CPU helps 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:04.480 a lot. So, um, and I know the lab hasn't 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:08.480 had any stability issues with B580. So, yeah, mine was pretty good. like I had 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:13.039 like one weird crash, but other than that it was totally fine. Um, it was 00:18:11.120 --> 00:18:16.960 pretty solid all around. Like I actually I bought the card. I am blown away by 00:18:15.280 --> 00:18:21.120 that. I bought the card. I'm putting it in my other computer. Blown away by that. in the 40.