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of Rome 2 Total War click now to learn more the AMD Radeon r9290 when it

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launched to turn the graphics card Market pretty much on its ear by

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delivering performance competitive with the then $700 plus gtx780 at

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$400 there were some issues however power tune is AMD's technology that

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balances power consumption clock speed temperature and fan speed so while the

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card is advertised to run it up to 947

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MHz it and its Big Brother the 290x often runs into thermal limits causing

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clock speeds and voltage to scale down so they don't actually run at the speeds

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on the Box in games this throttling Behavior could be blamed on a couple of

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things one of them is the high heat output of the Hawaii GPU with its mass

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6 billion transistors the other is the lackluster reference cooler with its

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loud fan that forces end users to choose

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between hairdryer like noise or throttled performance now whatever you

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want to blame it on there were a few things that were very clear number one

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is that the r9290 already performed very

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well against the GTX 780 which prompted NVIDIA to drop prices only down to 500

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mind you but it was a drop number two is that we won't have a clear idea of what

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the card is truly capable of until until we get better coolers in the form of

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twin frozer or direct cu2 class coolers from guys like MSI and ASUS even with

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custom a cooling though we'd have no way to know for sure whether any thermal

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throttling was occurring we've observed both good and bad things about NVIDIA's

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GPU Boost 2.0 which is similar to AMD's power tune a good thing about it is that

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unlike AMD they provide a base clock so

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you'll have a reference point for the minimum performance you'll be getting if

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you buy the card one bad thing we've noticed however is that while GPU Boost

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2.0 provides enduser customization and

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allows you to change your thermal limit manually for example from 80° to 95° it

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seems to be actually just doing whatever it wants in the background

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so yeah you can change it but it's just

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throttling anyway so we wanted to remove all possibility of thermal throttling

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and liquid cool the cards fortunately we

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contacted klance who hooked us up not only with a water block that fits on

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either the R9 290 or the 290x you can check the link in the video description

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for pricing and availability of the gear we used in this video but also a GTX 780

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block a pump a reservoir and some awesome awesome quick disconnect

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fittings that let us do very fast graphics card swaps on our first ever

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liquid cooled test bench in fact guys I just disconnected a tube here that's

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completely full of water and we got no leakage whatsoever all right moving on

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to the test we used the Maximus 5 formul with a 3770k at 3.9 GHz 8 gigs of DDR3

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memory at 1600 MHz and a PC power and cooling 1200 W power supply as always

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our graphics cards were overclocked as high as they could go on both air and

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water and we used two separate liquid cooling Loops for the CPU and for the

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graphics card so we could isolate the heat generated by the GPU so we could

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remove variables when evaluating them in terms of their thermal performance if

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you guys want to see the clock speeds we were running at on the graphics cards

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there will be a link to our chart in the video description below our results

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surprised us a lot uh we were like everyone on the entire internet

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expecting the r9290 to overclock like a beast and destroy the 780 out of which

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we were expecting only a mild performance Improvement now because we

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traditionally set our 780 to 95° on the

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thermal limit for an apples to Apple's comparison against AMD cards and it only

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ever runs at 80° we assumed that there was no additional head room to unlock

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with better cooling because we were never hitting our userdefined thermal

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limits but it turns out that for liquid

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cooling enthusiasts NVIDIA's monkey business with the user adjustable

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thermal limits turns into some pretty good performance gains for that card

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when it's running underwater as well so first up is thermal performance both

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cards ran between 35 to 45° C underload

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with the 780 being closer to 35 and the 290 being closer to 45 uh when it comes

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to gaming performance we only really tested a couple games because what we

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were looking for in this video was performance scaling from air to water so

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a huge library of games wasn't really necessary what we found is that the max

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overclocked performance of the GTX 780 improved by just under 10% and the max

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overclock performance of the r9290 improved by about 7% that means that

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basically when you're out there shopping and deciding between these two cards

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with the intention of going water you can basically look add any performance

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comparison chart and factor in another 5 to 10% for each when you're doing your

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value analysis on the subject of value

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and performance this video is a great example of why I don't talk about

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pricing for products in my videos the r9290 launched at $400 which would have

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made it a clear winner against the $500

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gtx780 in this particular Showdown but

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it now costs $500 too making it exactly the same price but with higher power

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consumption and higher heat output so for the gamers out there the GTX 780

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gets the nod from me at the moment but

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there are things other than games and amds cards are well known to perform

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incredibly well against their NVIDIA counterparts in some Computer

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Applications one example of which being cryptocurrency Mining and folks are

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buying up AMD graphics cards by the truckload for Bitcoin and Litecoin

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Mining and that's been causing some serious changes to the retail pricing as

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I outlined before so ultimately it'll be up to you the viewer to look at the

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performance numbers then check out the values that we're showing you in terms

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of what you can expect when overclocking then check out the links to the cards in

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the video description and do the value calculation for yourself if you're

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curious guys you can see the overclocked values for our graphics cards in the

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Google Doc Linked In the video description remember that overclocking

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is always a crapshoot and you may get a card that overclocks better than ours

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you may get one that overclocks worse than ours and there's no guarantee for

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any of that stuff so anyway guys I hope you enjoyed this video on the removal of

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thermal limits from the r9290 and the gtx780 let us know in the comments if

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the results surprised you or if they were what you expected like the video if

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you liked it dislike it if you disliked it and not as always wow it's doing

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