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Okay, I I see what the shape of the chair is now. There's less assembly than

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I first feared,

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>> but what little assembly there is is going to be a bit of a challenge. The

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total weight of this chair, given its nearly all steel construction, is over

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600 lb. >> Jeez Louise. And that's without monitors

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and PC. And this guy over here, I think I found our our first gun.

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>> Jesus. Holy crap.

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>> Are you selling it or are you No, >> it's so much heavier than I expected.

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Like now you'll be expecting, but like

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>> what the heck? Does that make the point?

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>> I think they mixed up our orders and gave us real guns.

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>> Oo, it's so much more realistic than I

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expected. >> Dude, this is so cool.

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>> Wo, it has moving parts. >> Yes,

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these obviously aren't real guns, but they feel so real.

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>> Like there's weight to them, man. Oh, look at this. The one and only Jamie

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Pilky brought me one of this season's new colors for a long sleeve. But um

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that's beautiful. You can get it on ltdtore.com. But given the theme of

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today's video, I'm actually going to go with the olive. >> The combat look.

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>> Yeah, >> but you can get this one today at ltdstore.com.

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>> Thanks, Jamie. >> Okay, let's put the guns down and see what else we got going on.

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>> Sorry. You want me to put these down? >> There was no manual online, so I'm

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really counting on there being a manual in here. Literally, everything's made of

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steel. Well, that explains the weight. >> What do they do in the bag?

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>> What? Okay, that's pretty cool.

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>> Now you have to keep it in your house. >> Uh, yeah. I don't think I signed that

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agreement anywhere. >> Oh, I found the barrel for our gun.

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>> While David continues unpacking things, I want to talk through some of the features of our gaming chair here. The

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chair itself uses PU leather with a

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highdensity cold cure PU sponge. And the

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idea behind that is that it should have some give, but it should also provide

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strong support. Actually, initial impressions, not bad as far as gaming

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chairs go. It even has some lumbar support. >> This one looked a lot more comfy in the

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photos than the Scorpion did, >> although that's a pretty low bar. What

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the old Scorpion chair did a good job of, though, was the integrated cable

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management, and the M2HB50 cal follows in its footsteps very nicely. Inside

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here, we've got not one, not two, but

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three, but four. Wait, did I say four

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displays? I meant five. Three HDMIs and

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two display ports. Wait, the HDMIs are not all the same. They've got two

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different cables in here. Also in here is a sketchy looking power bar. Holy

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crap. The Hey Electrical appliances

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no model number power bar features international plugs, which I don't think

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are to code. Hey David, feel how light this is.

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>> Oh, what? >> Well, understandably, I mean, this is a very uh, you know, weight focused

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design. They wanted to keep it light, so they they balanced it out.

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>> Where there is something though is behind the seat. We've got surround

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speakers. And then, are these lights?

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>> There is supposed to be RGB integrated into the chair. >> I think these are just white LEDs,

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though. >> Is he a brand of speaker you recognize? Uh, nope.

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>> This is sort of our last shot for a manual. >> YOU WANT INSTRUCTIONS? WHAT ARE YOU

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WEAK? DROP DOWN AND GIVE ME 20. >> NO, I'M I'M KIDDING. OBVIOUSLY,

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>> I have $20 right here. >> Did you THINK YOU WERE DONE, MAGGOT?

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>> I don't know if the computer that I got for this is actually going to fit back

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there. That's a pretty acceptable size, but I did get us the biggest computer of

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all time. >> Oh, that thing looks sick. Did we ever do a video about this?

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>> No, we were going to, but things got away from us.

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>> Dang. And I thought it was metal. It's plastic, which kind of is a downer, but

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the fact that it fooled me from, you know, more than 5 ft away means it looks

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pretty cool. >> Try try and lift it.

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>> MHM. YOU CALL THAT LIFTING MAGGOT? DROP

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DOWN AND GIVE ME 20. SORRY, SIR. I'll do

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better next time. I'm all about creating a fair and equitable toxic workplace.

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>> If everyone's getting abused equally, no one's getting abused. >> Now that everything's loaded off of it,

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do you think we can get it off the pallet?

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It's like the sound they make in old Na like Navy films when the boat's

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creaking. That's what it sounds like. It's heavy. >> Oh, there's wheels. Reese, you may want

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to take the back cuz you're taller. Unless David, you Okay, ready. One, two,

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three. H. Oops. One sec. I slipped. >> Shimmy the other side. Shimmy the back.

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Shimmy the front.

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>> Those are good sounds. How the Sam Hill

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do they expect people to unbox and unpack and set this thing up? Hey

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Elijah, your new chair's here. Remember how much you liked the last Cloven's

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chair? How's your back feeling buddy? I'm >> still recovering.

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>> Okay, that's not like cut my Achilles tendon.

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>> For those not in the know, Elijah won the privilege of using it for a month

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last time and I think he lasted less than a week before he had to just give

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up. >> Is your head abnormally large or is there no way to fit a head in between

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those speakers. >> But but how's the back and the bum? >> Oh man, this lumbar support sucks.

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>> At least it has some. >> Does it? I cannot tell. It is overall

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comfier. >> Thanks, Elijah. Hey, it's on wheels now, though. Check this out. >> I did notice that when I sat down.

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>> I mean, what good is, you know, an armored vehicle that doesn't move. Oh

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man. You okay? I'm just trying to figure out like I feel like I'm already in the

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chair. So, where do all these pieces go? We Oh, we found the online user manual.

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That's great news. Can the chair be carried upstairs? The chair can be

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disassembled by removing the armrest to reduce its weight and then carried

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upstairs. The chair is large and heavy, but its dimensions are suitable for

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almost all elevators. >> $42

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was 48 with the guns. What would you rather have? 75% of a 5090 or a

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>> Yeah, that's fair. >> To be fair, this is actually way cheaper

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for this product category than I expected. >> M2 HP machine gun operating gun.

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>> That's a real >> This is for an actual gun. Wait, we're supposed to get like bullets for this

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thing. >> Oh, yeah. >> Where are the decorative bullets? Uh, we found the guide. It's video. That's why

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you weren't able to find it. >> I see. In the timeline this is going to take to watch that video. We're just

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going to freaking install this crap ourselves.

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This goes here. This goes there.

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We're done. >> I found your answer, David. >> Yeah. >> 200 bullets of 50 BMGR worth over

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$1,000. So, I must emphasize

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>> I never provide ammunition. So, in his

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demo systems, that appears to be actual ammunition.

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>> Live ammunition. >> I that I don't know, but it's some sort

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of either replica or whatever. He doesn't provide it. >> So, I had to watch the video to find

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that out. I don't think that's on the website. >> Remember when I said we had an instructional video? Yeah,

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>> we don't. It's marketing. >> Oh, >> I can't find a step-by-step instructional video.

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>> Cloven, I'd really appreciate it if you made a proper manual. So will the rest

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of your 27 customers. >> They've apparently been doing this for 10 years.

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>> 10 years of this? >> Yeah. Yeah, >> to be fair, it's pretty cool.

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>> It is cool. >> It's just hard to imagine buying one.

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>> Some stuff's obvious. Like, this clearly goes in here and then slides to the

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right. But I have no idea how I'm supposed to get under this thing now and

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tighten those bolts. There's another threaded spot in the middle. So, you put

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that screw in and then it kind of like is fine.

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>> This thing's grown on me like a wart.

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>> With just the weight of the monitor arm, the whole thing is kind of twisting this

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way and it's freaking me out. All right. >> So guys, I think I remember this from

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last time. You got to have both monitors on and they kind of like balance each

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other out. >> The bottom hole is really hard to get to. I can see my hole, but I can't fit

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it in. >> I think the screw is just too big. >> Maybe a little lube would make it fit.

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>> Okay, settle down. >> What do you mean? >> I'm actually going to lose my patience

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with this hole, though. >> Okay, big moment. Uh, clearly not right.

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Well, I rotated it 90 more degrees and now it's here. So, if this was here,

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>> actually, that does maybe make more sense. Sorry. >> Get down AND DO IT AGAIN.

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>> YES, SIR. >> WHOA. YOU OKAY?

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>> David needs some time in the crying room.

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>> Not David. The screaming room is over there. This is the crying room. Oh. Oh,

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wait. I got it through the first stage of the hole.

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>> Hey. >> Okay, she's on. >> Just some pieces came off. Also, I

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figured out what that other hole is. >> What's the other hole? >> I think it's like a like a set screw.

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Okay. Just got to

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loosen it up a little. This must be it.

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>> Yes. That feels so much more correct.

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>> Okay. >> All right. >> Progress in armrest storage.

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>> Are you sure we're not supposed to put a human in there first, then build around

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them? It seems really hard to get in and out of this thing. Reys, if you wouldn't

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mind, could you kind of like play around with the angle until this screw starts

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to go in for me? Maybe shake it slower.

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>> Shake it less stupid. >> Not even trying to pimp the screwdriver

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right now, but aligning these with the screwdriver was way easier. You guys

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should just abandon the Allen key. Uh, hold on. Let me just tighten them and

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then you can have it. Does anyone else notice there's a lot of little bolts

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that are just not tightened? >> The good news is that we basically only

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have the guns and the monitors left. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. Okay, let's figure out the guns.

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>> I think this is a twoman lift if we want to get it up there safely.

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>> Okay, >> beauty. >> This is not aligned at all.

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>> Watch me.

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>> Uh, yeah, you're in. >> No, I think you're cross-sighted. >> Should we put it on first?

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>> I think we should put lube on it. >> Genuinely. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> Okay.

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>> I think the bigger issue is just that the angle's wrong. >> You can't even tell that it's not

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screwed in. >> I think someone will tell when it falls on their head. And in it goes. Oh, and

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all the all the lube farted out. What a stupid problem.

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>> My 50 cal won't mount to my gaming chair.

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>> We just need to get it perfectly aligned. Holy crap. I think we're going

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to get it. Nice. This is never coming

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apart again. All right. For all the pain

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that it was to get it set up, it looks pretty cool.

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>> Look at that. First try. >> Cash money, boys. So, it was a skill

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issue on the other side then. No. No, it wasn't. The other side was really poorly

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open. >> Oh, it's way cooler with two. Look at it from the front.

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>> Uh, >> stand right there. >> Yeah, stand right there. Stand right there. >> Yeah, stand. Very funny, you guys. It

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looks kind of dangerous, you know. Am I the only one who feels like this level

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of engineering for the slide was not necessary for a prop gun.

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>> Reload action is pretty freaking sweet. >> We keep telling them, "Why did you do it

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this way?" And then we keep being like, "Oh man, this is cool. This freaking cool.

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>> I can't put the back on.

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This needs a manual. We may want to email them at this point.

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>> Hey, you solved it. What did I miss? >> You just have to make sure all the parts

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are where they belong, including the piece that we had trouble with. Uh, belongs over here outside of the guns.

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>> And you put the monitors on, too. Oh, this is like gaming ready now.

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>> Actually, so excited for you to get in there. Although,

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>> it goes at an angle when you pull it out. That's not actually great for

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keeping stuff on here. >> But you got guns above your head, >> dude. It looks so sick. And I mean,

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things don't have to not fall down if we just store them inside. >> These ammo boxes also double as snack

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places. >> Oh, sick. Wait, did you not see the

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mouse pad that it came with? >> Do you like the way that they're perfectly sized for the metal that they

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go on top of? >> They're not. This is very not flat cuz

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it slides this way. It slides this way. It should really go this way and this

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way a little bit. >> This is one of your controllers.

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Be careful. You can do a combination of movements that will chop your freaking

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hand off. I got real close. >> How do I stop it?

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>> Usually when you press it again. >> How do I stop it? >> Usually when I press it again. >> David.

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>> David, how do I How do I stop it? >> When I press it again,

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>> it's encroaching. >> It'll stop on its own. Like,

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>> wait, where is it even moving? >> It's just moving along the gun barrel.

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Like you can see the like lube marks where it is originally. One thing I can

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see right now is these uh these lights here. These are not great.

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>> You thankfully can turn them off with the button that you have on the armrest.

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>> They've got to be like this. Like this has got to be what they're for. But they just are. They're ass. Button three.

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Okay. That's pretty cool. >> It's really cool. >> This is crazy. Can you

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That's the flip side. There's definitely some creeks and crunches that I really

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don't like at the end of the movement ranges. >> Also, do you remember how we had trouble

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putting in that left barrel because it like wasn't quite aligned. >> Yeah,

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>> I can tell the whole thing is this way a bit.

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>> And so, because of the monitors, the whole thing is

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this way a bit. Four, I assume, is the opposite of that. Can I stop it? Yes, I

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can. >> Yeah, with this one, it interrupts. >> Five.

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Oh, I'm going up. Am I going to crash into the keyboard? So far, the answer is

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yes. Yes, I will. Contrary to how this might look, I'm not excited about what

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just happened. Okay. Seven. >> I understand why it can't move faster,

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but I wish it did. >> It would be really nice if it had

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presets. Nine. >> One thing of note is you can actually

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upgrade to a voice control package. That just seems so absurd, you know, in a

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really grounded product. So, >> it's definitely cool. I'm locked in. The

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uh position of the mouse pad is terrible. I feel like these arms might

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be nice if they came with your angle a little bit. I understand why they don't

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cuz there's a mouse on there. Is there anywhere to really rest your arms while you're gaming? You

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>> can kind of put your elbow here and like

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kind of here. Uh it's not optimal.

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>> I mean, I would probably put my keyboard over there cuz I don't like having my

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keyboard in the center. >> It would also have been nice if there was a way to change the tilt of the

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monitors. >> Yeah, there's really not any control

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with how you can mount these monitors. There's basically eight screw holes and

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you screw through them. Hopefully it works. >> Windows is insane, dude. So, I'm in

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game. Okay, whatever. I go out of game. So, my start menu is popping up here

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over top of nothing. I want to change the volume. So, I click that over here

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and it pops up over like I don't know if this is NVIDIA drivers or if this is

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Microsoft. >> To be fair, this is probably a NVIDIA

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surround issue. We use NVIDIA Surround so that it shows up as one giant monitor

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to Windows. Shame on both of them. Uh, okay. Speakers. Real tech audio. Yeah,

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I'm not hearing anything through these speakers. Am I Oh.

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Okay, they work.

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My head hits them when I There's like nowhere to fit my head when I don't have

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the headrest down. Oh, man. There's like a

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>> a metal bar that holds everything together. >> Oh, man.

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>> Do you want the headrest back? >> Yeah, sure.

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>> Oh, it's worse. It's hor. >> It like knocks my hat off. What the?

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>> But you got that from ltstore.com. >> I know.

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>> A >> It says LT on it. I wanted to knock it

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off.

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>> What the is it? How is it so bad?

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Is unfathomably bad. You just slip off of it. Somehow being

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>> if I pull it out >> on it is worse than slipping off of it,

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which is somehow worse than not having it, which is somehow worse than being on

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it. It's

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wo I don't think I've ever seen it do this. >> What are the specs of this machine

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anyway? >> This is the latest Alienware Area 51.

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It's equipped with a Intel Core Ultra 285K as well as a 5090. It is a pretty

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dang top tier system. So, under normal circumstances, this thing absolutely

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rips at 11K resolution. Nothing does.

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This This is a pretty top end

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>> and it's gone. Okay, I'm just going to fire up the NVIDIA app and see if

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there's maybe a driver up there. Yeah,

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>> they're not as bad as I expected, but that's the nicest thing that I can

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say about them. I expected them to be really, really, really bad. Dude, I

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blame Microsoft. Did you see that? Looking for network. Looking for sol.

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What are you talking about? Just go get into Windows. Buddy, what is this? Your

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device ran into a problem and couldn't be repaired. >> Are you freaking kidding me?

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>> This was working like 2 seconds before I sat down.

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>> That honestly, you have a gift. >> I think they call it a curse. I've

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noticed while I've been sitting here doing nothing while David's been troubleshooting out there that my butt's

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starting to get pretty sweaty. Um, >> I think they should have a gun-shaped

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fan pointed right at the rear end.

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>> That's a wild thing to ask for. We are so back. All right, so now having

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learned nothing, I'm going to reenable surround and launch the game again. Are

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you serious right now? Full screen. Come on. >> No. Oh

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>> yeah, buddy. It's way better than the last one. But my back is starting to get

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a little sore. >> Okay. Would you trade the guns for massage functionality? >> I don't need a massage functionality. I

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just need like erggo adjustments for the chair. >> So maybe Cyberpunk just doesn't

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>> What? Did you see that? >> Maybe Cyberpunk doesn't like surround.

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Like I said, I had Fortza Horizon 5 working. So I say we go into a game that

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I know works. >> Well, this is a good sign. NVIDIA Surround and AMD Affinity have become

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such niche use cases at this point that it never surprises me when things don't

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work properly. But I feel really bad for the folks that rely on it to work. It's

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so frustrating to buy into something and have it kind of work for like 15 years,

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you know? >> Yeah. Why won't my Crossfire graphics cards work anymore in AMD? Come on.

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>> Well, no, but I think this is different than that. Like, it's a technology that

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we've been sold for so long and has just never really worked great for just as

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long. It um occurs to me as I'm jumping

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head first into a racing game that there is absolutely

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no way to mount like a stick shift or a

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wheel or anything to this. >> No, you could kind of jerryrig

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something, but it would not be a good solution. I'd actually be more likely to

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buy something like this if it was optimized as a flight sim setup or a

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racing sim setup, not as a general purpose gaming cockpit.

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>> This is pretty freaking insane, though. And like if there was another car that

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was bothering me, I could just be like, "LIGHT THEM UP, BOYS."

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>> THAT'S THE FORZA Horizon expansion I want. >> Forza X World of Tanks.

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>> Do you feel immersed? >> I do feel immersed. I wish that the

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angle was a little better. But hey, at least these Dell monitors have a pretty

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solid viewing angle, so it's not bothering me that much. Are these cutie?

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>> Yes. >> Waiting behind traffic like A SUCKER. OH

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GOD. >> Stout little man.

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It's like far quad in a suit of armor. >> Apply.

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>> The heck. >> I don't think I've ever seen a game give up faster than that.

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>> Doom black screens the second I launched it. Trying Red Dead Redemption now. Come

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on. >> Come on. >> Come on. >> Come on. >> Come on. >> Come on. >> I see a loading bar. Oh. Oh, here we go.

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>> I like that this video has transformed from the Kloven's chair to the David

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Alina's try and fail to make NVIDIA surround work. I feel like the wow guy

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from South Park right now. >> We are getting painfully close to Wall-E

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though. Just need wheels on this thing. >> It has wheels. I'm not going to try to

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move it this time. I'm going to let it just I'm going to give it a sec.

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>> Look like some weird indie game. Oh, hey. Oh,

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>> you know what? Giving it a sec does legitimately seem to help a little bit.

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To be clear, this game may not support surround at all. Like, you know,

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clearly. screen. Look at the way this house just like is sometimes a wire or

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is sometimes just framed and sometimes is a complete house. Do you see this?

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>> Yeah. >> The thing I like is how it has like that 3D effect for social media where there's

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black bars and then the things pop out of the black bars. >> I'm building the fence. I'm playing

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Fortnite, bro. >> We're going to turn it down to like medium settings.

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>> How about we drop the resolution down? >> Sure. I'm beginning to think this may be

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an edge case that is specific to our exact hardware and software right now

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because I just can't imagine that this is this broken under normal

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circumstances. I'm not willing to draw any conclusion other than that

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this didn't work for us today and frankly it doesn't affect the conclusion

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of this video anyway. This is a super weird chair with a very niche use case.

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You have to be someone who doesn't want any SIM equipment, just wants a keyboard

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and mouse, but doesn't want them to be easily reachable, and wants your chair

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to look like a gun. >> But how will this chair do when it's being daily driven? We're going to find

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out by having Sammy sit in it every single day instead of his regular desk.

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You should check it out. lg.gg/flatplane.

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