WEBVTT 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:06.400 trade shows like computex can be a complete sea of random companies you've 00:00:04.480 --> 00:00:13.440 never heard of but every once in a while the random gets so random that i sit up 00:00:09.200 --> 00:00:14.719 and pay attention so this is ght 00:00:13.440 --> 00:00:19.119 um i don't know exactly what they do but 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:23.600 they've got weird geforce graphics cards with sort of uh looks like they 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:28.800 kind of came up with their own way of doing the nvidia logo and they're kind 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:31.039 of older ones like they've got a gtx 650 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:34.800 ti on display here and then they've got a poster back there let's go have a look 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:39.760 at this one of the biggest selling points in their booth is apparently this 00:00:37.360 --> 00:00:43.600 x79 motherboard but that's weird because intel 00:00:40.800 --> 00:00:47.520 hasn't made any chips for the x-79 platform 00:00:44.559 --> 00:00:51.280 in quite literally years so what's the deal behind this 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:55.360 i would like to find out so what can you tell me about this 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:59.280 motherboard yes this motherboard can work for the game 00:00:57.760 --> 00:01:05.519 yeah yeah and there's the memory stock yep yes is 00:01:02.800 --> 00:01:09.280 it dual or quad channel yeah four channel four channel okay 00:01:08.240 --> 00:01:16.159 um so where do you get x79 chipsets uh yes 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:17.920 chipsets chipsets and their cpu yeah 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:22.080 yeah but where do you get them does intel still make these two yes they 00:01:20.479 --> 00:01:26.720 still make them yeah yeah really and then so where do you sell a 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:31.520 motherboard like this uh certifier yeah always sell to the 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:34.640 south america south america yeah 00:01:33.360 --> 00:01:40.960 anywhere else aisha also south america and asia 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:47.920 so how do they buy a cpu for it because intel doesn't make these cpus anymore uh 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:49.280 we we collected the used cpu you know 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:52.880 signal hand yeah interesting 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:57.840 so if i'm in north america can i buy this 00:01:55.600 --> 00:02:02.399 if you want you can buy it oh but like i can buy this one yeah you can you if you 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:09.360 want you can buy yeah so how much is it this one is about the 35 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:11.520 okay what currency is that currency yeah 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:17.360 us dollars us dollars okay i don't have any us dollars i have i have ntd 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:20.640 so how much how much ntd uh 00:02:18.239 --> 00:02:25.360 i literally calculate okay all right thank you so according to the rep here 00:02:22.959 --> 00:02:30.720 they're getting genuine x79 chipsets from intel but as for the cpus well we 00:02:28.239 --> 00:02:34.800 know intel doesn't make those anymore so apparently they collect the used ones 00:02:33.200 --> 00:02:39.599 and then they bundle them together for customers in south america and asia now 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:43.120 they don't currently have any sales channel in north america where i could 00:02:41.200 --> 00:02:48.000 obtain something like this but they said the pricing is about 95 us dollars and 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:52.879 apparently if i can cough up the money right now i can buy it and take it home 00:02:50.640 --> 00:02:56.480 with me to test oh i even get an i o shield 00:02:54.319 --> 00:03:00.800 hey deluxe nice 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:01.840 sata cable all right not bad okay 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:06.640 there you go i am the proud owner of this random 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:10.319 motherboard so i don't have any of the parts that i would need to test it here 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:14.159 with me but that's okay i'm gonna throw this in my bag take it home and see how 00:03:12.239 --> 00:03:18.319 this whole thing shakes out all right it's been a while we're back 00:03:15.440 --> 00:03:24.640 in the studio i've got my uh test bench prepared here and we're ready 00:03:20.959 --> 00:03:26.959 to find out if our weird x79 motherboard 00:03:24.640 --> 00:03:30.799 made the trip back to the studio in one piece but 00:03:28.480 --> 00:03:35.200 before we even do that i've got a couple more interesting things to share with 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:41.200 you so i did reach out to intel about the current availability of x79 legacy 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:46.560 chipsets and their reply was we have no idea what they're talking 00:03:42.720 --> 00:03:48.159 about no we don't still make those so 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:52.159 that's cool and then number two 00:03:49.760 --> 00:03:57.599 is that i did notice that this motherboard had an m.2 slot 00:03:55.599 --> 00:04:01.920 and that felt a little weird to me at the time but it wasn't until i googled 00:03:59.920 --> 00:04:05.680 it and i found this link to our forum that says 00:04:03.200 --> 00:04:10.640 nvme support is not included in the bios of x79 boards blah blah blah et cetera 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:13.599 et cetera basically not a thing so naturally 00:04:11.920 --> 00:04:15.360 in addition to ram 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:21.280 cpu graphics card all this good stuff let's see if it works with this thing 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:35.840 first order of business for me naturally has to be to pop this chipset heatsink 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:38.160 off and have a look at what's down 00:04:35.840 --> 00:04:40.400 interesting so 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:47.199 they've got a couple of custom plastic shims on here to keep the heatsink from 00:04:45.520 --> 00:04:52.960 wobbling and accidentally cracking the dye and then they've actually got some 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:56.000 writing in pencil on the chip that also 00:04:52.960 --> 00:04:58.800 appears to be fairly scuffed up so it 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:03.840 looks like my first theory that they're pulling these chips off of 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:07.120 dead and or recycled boards and repurposing them 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:11.039 does appear to hold some water especially in light of that information 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:14.320 from intel so i don't know why they wouldn't just be 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:18.000 upfront about that but hey one thing that is potentially new is 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:21.840 the socket i can't think of a reason why 00:05:20.320 --> 00:05:26.800 foxconn wouldn't still be able to provide lga 2011 sockets 00:05:24.400 --> 00:05:30.720 with that said i also don't know for certain that it's new 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:36.120 that's not something we'll be able to evaluate though because we do know that 00:05:32.400 --> 00:05:38.400 this is a demo unit board i went with a 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:43.039 4960x so that's the top end chip for this platform it's a 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:47.600 six core processor i think it peaks at uh four gigahertz boost 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:51.520 so not too impressive by today's standards but 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:56.240 certainly still a very capable machine which is exactly where the use case for 00:05:54.720 --> 00:06:02.560 a motherboard like this really comes from because there's still all these very usable chips but because the 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:07.680 motherboards die faster than the cpus do there's no boards to put them in 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:10.720 know i don't get it i'm just so weirded out right now all 00:06:09.520 --> 00:06:19.280 right let's go ahead and install this on my test bench and as you guys might recall corsair sponsored our trip to 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:19.280 computex 2019 where we got this board so 00:06:19.440 --> 00:06:27.360 we felt it was appropriate to use their hydrox series water cooling 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:31.360 to make sure that we are getting the utmost out of our weird motherboard you 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:38.000 know we wouldn't want to have any cooling issues holding us back so we're going to be 00:06:34.400 --> 00:06:40.319 going with their xc9 rgb cpu block which 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:46.160 has their pre-applied thermal compound their rgb lighting and of course their 00:06:43.280 --> 00:06:49.280 skived micro fin base really really tight base on that one i haven't 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:53.199 actually installed one of these yet but it looks like the mounting mechanism is 00:06:50.880 --> 00:06:57.759 about as simple as it can be so this is the one that's designed for the high end 00:06:54.880 --> 00:07:01.759 sockets so your thread ripper and your intel atdt all right next we're going to 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:05.120 try out their compression fittings these were made in partnership with bits 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:09.520 power so i'm expecting them to be freaking well bits power awesome 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:14.240 so this is my first look at the accessory package for the xd5 rgb this 00:07:11.919 --> 00:07:18.720 is their pump reservoir combo that i really approve 00:07:17.039 --> 00:07:24.560 of their approach with so they've gone with like a really really durable material for 00:07:22.880 --> 00:07:29.360 every part of it and then they've gone with a genuine laying d5 pump uh just 00:07:27.520 --> 00:07:32.880 rebranding it sometimes you're better off building something new from scratch 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:37.199 but sometimes you're better off just going with something that you know is 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:40.639 awesome and the d5 is a really good choice there it's really well regarded 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:45.120 not just for its performance but also for its reliability 00:07:43.400 --> 00:07:49.919 360 degree 00:07:47.039 --> 00:07:53.120 peel oh my god for their radiators corsair partnered with hardware labs 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:57.840 a long time industry veteran fun fact 00:07:56.000 --> 00:08:01.120 hardware labs was actually one of the first vendors that i ever placed an 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:05.120 order with when i was working as a product manager at ncix 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:09.280 so so technically i ordered with them before i was 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:12.479 actually a product manager i was still working in like the customer care area 00:08:10.960 --> 00:08:16.560 and answering support tickets about computer systems so that's neat 00:08:17.840 --> 00:08:23.039 i still remember when bitspower came onto the scene i was like oh so your 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:26.479 entire company is making water cooling fittings good luck with that 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:31.280 and here we are partnerships with corsair now my test 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:34.640 bench gpu is decidedly last gen so i'm not going to be water cooling my card 00:08:32.880 --> 00:08:38.719 but i did want to address some of the comments i made about this thing in my 00:08:36.479 --> 00:08:42.320 video where i upgraded my personal rig where i criticized 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:46.160 some things as cost saving measures when it turns out they were actually very 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:50.720 expensive to do like the molding for this piece up here it feels like kind of 00:08:48.560 --> 00:08:54.560 a cheap plastic but as it turns out it's made out of like this super rugged stuff 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:58.080 that was really really expensive to do the work for so 00:08:56.560 --> 00:09:01.680 there you have it i also called their backplate flimsy if i recall correctly 00:09:00.560 --> 00:09:08.480 and they were like okay fair point but um linus it's pci 00:09:05.680 --> 00:09:11.920 certified so you can actually install it slot to slot with another card that's 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:14.959 something that you can't do with the thicker ones and i was like 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:20.800 now this is one key thing that i would have done differently from corsair on 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:27.120 this product line i wouldn't have gone with a thin wall tubing i like me a 3 8 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:29.040 inch id 5 8 inch od tubing but 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:34.640 the reason that they did it this way is that if you use their dies you end up 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.680 with less of that kind of transparent 00:09:34.640 --> 00:09:39.680 um you know border effect and it ends up 00:09:37.920 --> 00:09:43.200 looking more like that color just kind of flowing around 00:09:41.680 --> 00:09:48.000 your system so that's their justification 00:09:45.760 --> 00:09:52.160 this stuff does tend to be a little bit harder to keep from kinking but because 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:56.800 it's nice and pliable it's also not too bad either fun fact 00:09:54.480 --> 00:10:03.040 i pioneered the concept of selling tubing as pre-cut 10 foot lengths 00:10:00.560 --> 00:10:06.959 as far as i'm aware i forced our suppliers back when i was at ncix to 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:09.760 stop selling by the foot to us because we had no way of tracking it as a single 00:10:08.800 --> 00:10:14.480 sku and made them create part numbers for me 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:18.240 of 10-foot rolls which i had determined were 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:22.000 the right amount to plumb a basic system and not too much overkill for a much 00:10:20.959 --> 00:10:25.760 bigger one i do have to give corsair credit for a 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:31.200 first attempt this really is very simple to do like 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:35.200 there's not much to screw up other than getting the inlet and outlet wrong on 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:38.240 the cpu block or the pump and as long as you consult the manual you shouldn't 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:42.240 have trouble with that anyway i bet the makers of this motherboard were never 00:10:39.839 --> 00:10:46.320 expecting a titan x to be installed on it 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:50.720 see if it handles it okay i'm sure corsair has a better way for me 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:54.800 to fill this but um wait wait wait 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:58.720 gotta get that better product placement in there blindness tech tips water bottle 00:10:57.040 --> 00:11:02.959 ltdstore.com this board does not have a lot of fan 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:07.120 headers on it so yeah we're getting two fans here kids 00:11:05.920 --> 00:11:11.760 what have i gotten us into 00:11:10.079 --> 00:11:17.279 you know what i'm gonna use the sata cable that they provided me nice 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:22.800 sata cable all right not bad okay so this motherboard actually has like 00:11:20.800 --> 00:11:28.399 jumpers for what would normally be bios settings on 00:11:24.800 --> 00:11:30.640 it this one is jpower one to two 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:34.880 one and two is always power two and three is s o power there it is why is 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:39.120 classic start menu installed on this whose drive is this so i plugged in my 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:45.040 sata drive thinking i'll deal with that first 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:51.839 and then i'll try the nvme one later and check this out it booted up right to my 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:52.959 nvme ssd no configuration no hassle 00:11:51.839 --> 00:11:57.680 nothing we're running nvme on x79 to put this in 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:05.440 perspective not only does a fully featured x79 board 00:12:01.760 --> 00:12:06.720 like this x79 deluxe from asus 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:10.720 not have an m.2 slot on it 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:16.800 see that you can't even just like put a pci 00:12:13.040 --> 00:12:19.120 express to m.2 riser card in it because 00:12:16.800 --> 00:12:23.519 to my knowledge none of the motherboard manufacturers like the mainstream ones 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:29.440 implemented the support for booting from it not necessarily because the chipset 00:12:26.560 --> 00:12:33.920 couldn't do it it's just pci express just because they were legacy products 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:37.680 and not supported so the fact that this thing exists kind of 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:42.000 blows my mind before we go any further priorities 00:12:38.880 --> 00:12:43.680 got to get our rgb lighting hooked up 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:46.160 now obviously i'm not doing the greatest job of cable management here right now 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:51.040 but i think you guys get the point so we can 00:12:48.880 --> 00:12:54.880 daisy chain this one here okay and 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:58.000 hey now it's time for the moment you've been 00:12:56.800 --> 00:13:02.480 waiting for we're going to do a quick cinebench r15 run and see if this 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:06.320 thing's actually even freaking stable if it turbos up correctly 00:13:04.800 --> 00:13:09.920 now our score is a little on the low side but something i noticed when i was 00:13:08.160 --> 00:13:14.880 checking out our turbo speeds is that our memory is only running at 13 33 00:13:11.920 --> 00:13:20.399 megahertz so maybe we can go into the bios do a little bit of tuning 00:13:17.839 --> 00:13:25.920 well that is a retro looking bios right there if i've ever seen one northbridge 00:13:23.040 --> 00:13:30.480 configuration modern motherboards and by modern i even mean this one do not have 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:36.880 north bridges but i see what they mean here the north bridge used to be the 00:13:32.959 --> 00:13:38.959 link between the memory and the cpu so 00:13:36.880 --> 00:13:42.399 this has all the memory settings in it i see where they're going with it all 00:13:40.160 --> 00:13:46.720 right so we can load up an xmp profile so that's cool 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:50.880 well okay then so there are a lot of settings in here but 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:54.560 whether or not they do anything appears to be a different story 00:13:53.040 --> 00:13:58.000 there's no way that's accurate so wherever their probe is is somewhere in 00:13:56.560 --> 00:14:05.440 the middle of nowhere all right it's starting to show its weakness a little bit our xmp profile does not appear to 00:14:03.199 --> 00:14:08.399 have in fact done anything i mean this is an extreme edition processor 00:14:06.959 --> 00:14:13.120 overclocking it should be as simple as changing the multiplier but now that i think about it i didn't see any voltage 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:17.279 adjustments in there you know we take for granted that an x79 motherboard 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:21.519 should be very expensive but the part of the reason that they're so expensive is 00:14:19.040 --> 00:14:28.320 because they have this much more robust vrm solution that's designed to 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:30.880 deliver tons and tons of current within 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:36.079 like a very very narrow margin if anyone was crazy enough to build a super basic 00:14:33.199 --> 00:14:39.680 hundred dollar board for you know cpus that starred at four or five hundred 00:14:37.680 --> 00:14:43.680 dollars for the lineup i guess this is kind of what it would look like no 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:48.079 memory overclock i'll give it this it has really good failed boot condition 00:14:45.920 --> 00:14:51.440 recovery all these buttons you can tweak and then when they don't work it's like 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:55.360 hey didn't work it's fine we didn't expect 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:59.760 that to work anyway put it back to default it turbo's up to 3.9 in a 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:04.480 lighter load so yeah we're getting close to that max 4 gigahertz turbo okay 00:15:02.959 --> 00:15:08.959 honestly though that's everything i needed to know 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:13.199 that's a pretty smooth gaming experience okay so with some quick craigslisting 00:15:11.199 --> 00:15:18.160 we've got uh 20 bucks for four gigs so that you could 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:22.639 do 16 gigs times four sticks for 80 bucks so somewhere between 60 and 80 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:26.959 bucks gets you either quad channel 16 gigs or 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:32.639 dual channel 16 gigs all right so you can get a 3960x for 00:15:29.920 --> 00:15:36.959 100 us dollars and then this board is like 100 bucks so we're talking 00:15:35.199 --> 00:15:42.480 less than the price of a brand new cpu potentially for a 00:15:39.680 --> 00:15:45.920 board ram and cpu if you're willing to do some bargain hunting okay so we've 00:15:44.160 --> 00:15:51.440 got ourselves a pretty cool budget little gaming platform here but 00:15:49.920 --> 00:15:55.839 i can't take credit for this idea it was actually david my cameraman today who 00:15:53.839 --> 00:16:01.199 came up with this there's one more thing that we can try out 00:15:57.839 --> 00:16:02.320 could it possibly support sli 00:16:01.199 --> 00:16:07.120 yeah no okay 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:12.160 well that answers that question david you know what it was a good idea 00:16:09.680 --> 00:16:17.279 so there it is guys yeah it wasn't a perfect experience but i mean that's 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:25.759 deus ex mankind divided running on very high 2560 by 1440 and looking 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:27.839 pretty freaking on point so as far as 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:30.880 budget gaming systems go if you can get your hands on one of these my 00:16:29.199 --> 00:16:35.519 understanding is you can find listings for it on sites like aliexpress under 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:40.399 different brands presumably they are re-badging it then 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:44.399 hey it looks like honestly not a terrible option we didn't have any 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:49.519 compatibility issues it boots up fast and the nvme m.2 drive worked exactly as 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:53.440 expected on another note massive thanks to 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:58.560 corsair for sponsoring this video as well as our coverage of computex 2019 in 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:03.759 general their hydrox lineup of water cooling is super simple to use looks 00:17:00.959 --> 00:17:07.839 absolutely fantastic and we had no performance complaints about it during 00:17:05.439 --> 00:17:11.919 this video whatsoever so you can check that out at the link in the video 00:17:09.679 --> 00:17:15.120 description also down there is our merch store which has cool shirts like this 00:17:13.760 --> 00:17:20.720 one and oh yeah soon to be this one 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:24.799 this one's really cool as well as our community forum which you guys should 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.799 totally join