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an i7 gaming computer for only

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$400 16 gigs of RAM RGB and there's only

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one left I'd be stupid not to buy

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it this might not be you but there's a good chance that someone you know is at

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risk of spending their hard-earned money on a decade old gaming PC without

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realizing it Glam Furbish dressing up

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e-waist with pretty lights and glass side panels has turned into a big

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industry and that's not inherently a bad thing I'm all for keeping these machines

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operating rather than sitting in a landfill but only if they're upfront

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about it and the price is right and I just do not feel that way about the

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machine that we bought from Penny CC on the one hand they actually shipped

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us better Hardware than what was listed in the item description but on the other

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hand the presentation of it is clearly designed to prey on people who associate

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are GB with performance and who don't keep an Intel product naming guide with

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them at all times for example the listing omits inconvenient details in

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some places and it makes the system sound much more capable than it really

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is so I'm asking you guys please help me

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stop people from buying this stuff and

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in a moment I'm going to show you why that's so important and I'm going to lay

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400 bucks gets you these days plus shipping first up a Wi-Fi dongle

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complete with antenna second up just about the flimsiest PC power cord I

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think I've ever seen though I would expect it to be functional and we get

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some packing foam and of

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course a computor not bad on first

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glance obviously a brand new case you can tell from the peel on the side

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panel no obvious issues when it comes to build quality all the cables are tidily

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managed or even zip tied together all screws installed exactly where they

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should be no obvious configuration errors got dual Channel memory for

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example and it looks look like they

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actually upgraded us this is not a GTX

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660 and is in fact a 970 from PNY and

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that might not be the only upgrade while the motherboard is obviously a little

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dated it's the classic white PCI slot

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here the cooler is new and the socket of

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this board doesn't even match the CPU that we ordered meaning maybe something

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better to their credit this appears to be a brand new Corsair 600 power supply

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the peel is still on no ooh maybe there's some dust on the

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grill no the power supply is not new so

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who knows what power supply you're going to get o that was one of the things we

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had down as being points in their favor actually yeah there's dust in the

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crevices of these cables too okay another thing we had as a point in their

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favor is the case though I think this is

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a bit of a mixed bag on the one hand it's a modern design with four included

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fans RGB tempered glass all that good stuff on the other hand I have no idea

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what they spent on this thing since it's out of stock everywhere but however much

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it was it was probably too much and

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we'll talk a little bit more about that later but hint number one is this

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internal USB thre header that is just hanging here loose and the fact that

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this system is so old it doesn't have

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USB 3 at all enough chitter chatter for now though let's find out what's in here

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oh East that's not nice that was Labs that

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wasn't me Labs calling it e-waist I mean that's not that bad a

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core i7 2600s that's another big upgrade

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or at least it sounds like one while the

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model number changed a lot from what was promised to us it's actually only a

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little over a year newer and not a lot

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faster but the good news is this is a great opportunity to highlight how easy

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it is for people to get bamboozled most people's exposure to CPU nomenclature

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isn't going to go much deeper than yeah I core i7 I heard that's good for

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gaming and unless they know the importance of the IPC of a processor

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architecture it would be easy even for

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someone who's trying to do their due diligence to compare this to something

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modern and think oh well you know I

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guess yesterday's i7 is just today's

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I3 and then pull the trigger on a system like this but that isn't just not the

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case or maybe it doesn't matter our GPU

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upgrade could make up a lot of ground here though again we see the same

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confusing product naming schemes working against the consumer while it seems like

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we jumped three product Generations 600

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and 700 series were actually based on the same family of chips and then 800

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was skipped meaning that going from 600

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to 900 was only one generation the good

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news though is we also stepped up a whole class from a 60 class to a 70

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class card meaning that we landed a GPU here with double the vram and a lot more

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processing power maybe this thing can game

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okay that is totally usable and just like pcmr would say it doesn't matter

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what you drive it's that you drive what you got oh sorry that was cazer you know it doesn't matter someone said it hoodie

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t-shirt water bottle desk pad and enamel pin the point is the best gaming machine

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for the job is the one that you have let's give it a

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shot uh did it take that long for my Spartan to pop in this may actually be a

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problem wow it took that long for the modes to

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load uh while this searches I guess we

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can talk about Labs results a little bit Esports titles like CSG go DOTA and

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Rocket League actually all run fine but

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as soon as we go past that we get into some false advertising a little bit see

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there are some newer games on the list that's advertised by the seller like

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fortnite Apex Legends and GTA 5 which

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isn't really new but is fairly demanding

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which are going to struggle on this machine and there are a few reasons for

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it for starters while the ad does

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clearly state that they're using a mix of new and refurbished Parts I think

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it's a little disingenuous to say that a new case and a new stock cooler is a mix

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of new and refurbished Parts every piece that contributes to Performance is used

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and one of the worst pieces is our storage drive a spinner that I just

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wouldn't be comfortable putting in a system that someone's going to rely on

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crystal disc info pegged it at

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24,7 168 hours of power on time or a

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little under 3 years which for an

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Enterprise Drive might not be a huge deal but for a consumer Drive absolutely

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is wow this is not a lot of

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fpss come on oh

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boy um maybe we can tweak the details a

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little come on come on get him wow it took me a while to figure out he was

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dead but yes I got him oh no

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I and I can't even blame that on our

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hard drive even if it was in tiptop shape the CPU and RAM in here just

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aren't fast enough to keep up with anything but older games there has been

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a lot of advancement in CPU design that isn't really obvious on a basic spec

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sheet and this is one of the reasons that our lab's website project is so

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important guys maybe pick up a desk pad help support the team because making

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matters worse as our chip continues to age we're going to reach a point where

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Modern software simply refuses to run on

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the GPU side NVIDIA hasn't officially sunsetted support for the 900 series yet

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but based on how long they supported the previous generation the announcement is

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pretty much due any day now and then on the CPU side of of things if we go back

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just a couple more Generations there are

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chips that are missing x86 instruction set extensions that are required for

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smooth operation or in some cases operation at all in modern titles like

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Apex Legends thankfully that hasn't happened yet with our 2600s we were able

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to Benchmark total Warhammer 3 cyberpunk

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modern games like that but it's a matter

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of time before that changes I think my big BG issue here though is just the

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price as a Savvy Shopper you can pick up

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similar parts for well under 300 bucks

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without paying for a brand new lipstick

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case around the pig components and you

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probably won't need to pay shipping either depending on how active your

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local Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist is I mean don't get me wrong I fully

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endorse keeping aging Hardware running

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for as long as possible we even did a video recently showcasing some of the

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amazing deals that are out there right now on used Hardware but if you're

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spending upwards of $400 on a new to you

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PC you can do a lot better than this to

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highlight how bad it is even buying almost entirely new parts we came in

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around $400 while we've still only got a quad

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core processor with hyperthreading the same amount of memory and that same used

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gtx970 our 12 gen core I3 has more cash

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avx2 for better integer calculations a slew of Advanced Technologies like

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gaussian and neural accelerator 3.0 to help with audio and speed Centric Ai

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workloads and it's going to be getting security updates for years to come and

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and it runs on a newer platform meaning that I'll be able to get the most out of

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say a new CPU or a new GPU even if some

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money comes my way and we didn't even put in the script the fact that it'll

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have support for USB 3 and m.2 drives to

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put the performance difference in context guys we ran our factorio

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Benchmark and cin bench on our poor

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struggling 2600s and well the numbers

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speak for themselves our single core score didn't even crack a th000 points

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and multicore is just shy of three guys

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a modern I3 12100 is going to get you

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closer to 1,600 Point single core 8400

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multi I mean that is the kind of difference that you can really feel even

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in day-to-day use we've got an entire video about how gigahertz doesn't

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actually matter but obviously not everyone's watched it and I don't even

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blame them for seeing core i7 gaming computer and hitting the buy button

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because a lot of it boils down to terrible marketing practices and the

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obfuscation of real tech specs from the big players I mean think about it when

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you walk into to a computer shop today and look at the box for say a CPU it

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barely lists anything contents Intel

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processor with thermal solution really

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that's all you're giving me oh no okay I get this to a lay person indecipherable

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product number and 20 megabytes of cash

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no clock speeds no core counts even it's

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obvious from the prioritization here the only thing they want you to know is core

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i5 uh oh by the way that 13th gen

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something like that I mean AMD is a fair bit better at least on this little

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sticker If you look closely at it you'll find cores threads boost and base

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frequency but it's clear what the trend is and I don't see this getting better

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anytime soon with the core Ultra Rebrand

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announcement I was really hoping that Intel would use this opportunity as a

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fresh start to clear the air for the average person but nope it's basically

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just we've taken the Bold step of removing your eye you're welcome I mean

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I called this before and I'm saying it again we are going to be stuck with the

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same issues we've got today and I know that most of you guys watching this

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video can probably tell the freaking difference between you know a core i7

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13700 k and a core i7

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2600s most of you you guys are going to look Beyond just Intel Core i5 must be

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good for gaming I know you guys are going to drill into the true specs but

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based on the sales numbers for these things a lot of people won't and this

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isn't what I wanted in terms of keeping things out of the landfill because all

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we're really doing is sending the original case that was housing all of

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this stuff to the landfill and then buying a new flashy shiny one

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unnecessarily it's going to keep happening guys at $400 we're in that

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magical console price Zone it's got

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flashy RGB and a cool tempered glass side panel to make it look like a legit

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gaming computer it's just with stuff

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like this you're not getting the performance that you're paying good money for so mark my words in another 10

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years we're going to see the exact same thing a core Ultra 7 gaming PC with a

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2060 and 32 gigs with I don't know

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electrol luminescent wire case or whatever the fashion is at that point

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all for the low low price of around $400 and if I'm still around and finding

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these craptastic deals I guess I'm just going to have to make another video

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saying the same dang thing if you guys

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are looking for an affordable system like this I'm not linking this thing but

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we will have our parts list down below and we're also going to throw our POV

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build guide which is probably the easiest one to follow along with so you

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can put it together yourself uh or if you liked this video you can check out

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why gigahertz doesn't matter that's another good watch that can help explain

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why uh this thing sucks as much as it does