maybe live maybe live I should hope so
welcome to the show today guys we figured out some of the issues
ahead of time like where we were going to stream from as you can see Kingston
has gone ahead and decorated our streaming set with a whole bunch of
their uh their cute little you know rex
head things that they got going on here we figured out an internet connection
we've actually got a 50 up 50 down connection so that was no problem but
what we didn't figure out was that well a couple of things I forgot the AC
adapter for my laptop which is fully set up and configured for streaming I asked
for a USB microphone you asked for a
suggestion from the camera and editing people and they suggested XLR and then
we took XLR just to clarify okay well my
suggestion before their suggestion was grabbing a USB one because we know it
works so we brought an XLR microphone which as as we know from past experience
does not work uh in both Channels with our particular camera um so the the way
we've actually got it set up here is we've got a stereo microphone set up so
we're plugged into both XLR inputs on our camera so the viewers on the one
side can actually this is kind of cool maybe we should do it this way from now on because viewers on one side can hear
me as if I'm you know sitting on that side of the screen I think they're still
probably both closer to you um well no no but yeah but do it
properly yeah so there you go guys we
are we are finally live we are at the show it has been a heck of a week so far
and this is going to be a bit of a a bit of a special episode uh because it's
special in the sense that we don't have our lower Third special in the sense
that we don't have special in it there's lack of preparation yes yes so this
episode going to trash on it like immediately is all about helping you
guys appreciate the usual quality
standards and timeliness of the land show this time I mean we're late by 50
minutes usually we're late by like 30 minutes so like I mean that makes our
usual look so much better yeah see right
guys and uh yes yes this will this will come on YouTube later at some point I
have no idea how it figures into the release schedule because as you guys
have probably noticed we've been releasing about a video every 3 hours
since we are arrived at the show and that is exactly what we're going to talk
about today on the stream is what has been going on and uh what have been what
have been the highlights so far I'm going to drop right into this have you seen that crazy Chinese car no the
electric car th000 horsepower over 200 mes hour no I did not you Haven seen the
Faraday car no I have not okay I'm going to drop into this immediately looks like
Batmobile 100% looks ridiculous um has
over 100 or has over 1,000 horsepower can go over 200 mph is an electric car
are just ridiculous some crazy Chinese
entrepreneur company thing dumped huge amounts of money into this and the idea
is that the platform much like Tesla did they were like look the Roadster and
then now they're changing to other things yeah it's the platform that they're really trying to show off the
crazy thousand horsepower electric car is mainly just to like pull people in
and obviously get huge amounts of people talking about it because that's exactly
what happened um but the main thing they're showing off if you watch their
monitor and stuff is that they have a modular platform and they want to turn
this into other vehicles so yeah very
very interesting yeah I'm looking at it it's got kind of a uh it's got kind of a
a like Hot Wheels Batmobile kind of
something yeah it looks like the like a like like the Batmobile and a Lambo had
a baby and uh a little bit less aggressive than a Batmobile a little bit
more aggressive than a Lambo man that is a very interesting
looking vehicle so it can go from this is great so in theory a 1,00 horsepower
machine of this weight could use it four electric motors at each wheel to hit 60
mph in 3 seconds but that of course will
remain purely purely theoretical so Faraday has already committed it's
really interesting that they went with Faraday for the them of the company yeah
wow okay they have already committed to building A1 billion doll factory outside
of Las Vegas real close to Elon musk's gigafactory thanks in part to $335
million in incentives from the states
and they are actually just weeks away from breaking sorry the state the state
of Nevada so they're actually just weeks away from breaking ground on that
project I love how fast we ditched screen sharing here I guess that was
probably just my fault completely oh my bad everyone yeah I'll stop leaning over
and start doing work things
what website are you on Yahoo yeah yeah I'm well are we done now yeah I I think
I think we're kind of done um but yeah I I I was on my way to chiro and I've I've
heard of this I've talked to a few people about this I've been talking about it on Twitter I talked to a few
different taxi drivers about it yeah like I've I've been around and then
walking to chiro I was like oh fair day and then looked over and their entire
Booth was like completely packed and it
was the only booth that I saw like multiple people filming all at once I
think this might be the mo the biggest thing from CES this year there's still a
lot of time for this to be a complete
bust oh yeah oh yeah there's there there's there's there's there's tons of
time for electric which is still not
even beginning to be established as as a mainstream technology there's still a
lot of time for the traditional automakers to kind of go okay well all
right I got I guess we better get our crapping gear I mean actually one of the things that I've had the most fun with
here at the show has been BMW so I test
drove the I8 um and I also got a chance
to check out some of the concepts that they have for uh Touchless Control
inside the car at the same I totally hear what you're saying and I agree to a
large degree but at the same time I think I'm not surprised that this is
happening because if there was any time for a new player to jump into the auto
space it's probably on the tail of electric yeah oh definitely
definitely definitely I mean that's when when there's a huge fundal change that
occurs that's when that's when there's time for others to get more compe ground
equals out a little bit more yeah I mean a perfect example would be something
like uh let's say let's say the the YouTube video sharing platform
completely disappeared overnight you know for whatever the new
platform is we're at an advantage still because we have that viewership that is
going to be out there looking for us but
uh oh I just realized we never tweeted that we're live um hey we didn't do a
pre yeah yeah well this has been this has been definitely it's all about
helping them appreciate what we what we normally do um so be while we are still
sort of building up an audience on on a new platform that's a perfect time for
someone else to come in be really competitive be really awesome and
basically leave us in the dust it doesn't mean that we're you know down
for the count by any stretch of the imagination but like saying it just
means that there's more of an opportunity and a major platform shift
like this where a lot of the existing
ecosystem I mean let's let's face it Beyond you know molding for interiors
and you know sources for you know leather and and metal and being able to
create body components there's there's okay there's a lot of stuff that can be
reused but but a lot of the science
behind it a lot of the engineering behind it and a lot of the facilities to
build this stuff I mean uh an entire facility dedicated to building gasoline
or diesel engines is all of a sudden not an advantage it's not a problem and you
could certainly retrofit it it's not like the facility is all of a sudden
garbage it's just not nearly the same kind of advantage that you would have
had when every car was going to have a gasoline or a diesel engine in it and
basically guaranteed basically guaranteed and all of the and all of the
business advantages and economies of scale that go with having having a
production line that is running at X capacity all the time and you've got
this predictable flow of how many workers you know you need versus like
this like oh it's this completely new category we don't know how much
infrastructure to build up we still have to figure out the costing on it we have
to figure demand is still questionable blah blah blah blah BL demand is a huge
question and you're and you're an established automaker you're not allowed to be just sitting around losing money
you have shareholders who expect you to be making money because you've been around for a hundred years uh whereas a
new company coming in the expect is like everyone applauds when hey we lost only
you know 20 million this year it's like who yeah what an improvement yeah so
it's a completely different standard as well yeah um I'm going to do this tweet
so do you want to jump into whatever our next topic here is I I yeah I still find
it weird that we have topics BMW air touch 3D you probably know things about
that uh yeah so that was that was what I was talking about that uh that they were
doing I really like the concept that they have behind their electric stuff
that they're showing off um so the that
was the it was what do they call it like I8 future concept something something
yeah I I Vision future
interaction I was like okay that's a
hell of a name yeah it's a cool name but but there is some really neat stuff
about it so it's got this like super wide panoramic display and then it's got
a dual layer display right in front of the driver and then it's got a heads up
display that is visible as your looking through the windshield and then the way
that you interact with all of this equipment is actually kind of like as if
the panoramic display was a touchscreen except that you just kind of gesture in
the air and you kind of go oh like this and like that uh the video is already up
for it but the thing that stood out to me most about it um aside from you know
the I I really liked the Dual layer display I haven't actually seen that
practically applied in any meaningful way yet and it was really cool so it
would have like topographical information on on the rear display and
your route information and speed and other details on the front display like
overlaid in a way that as as things moved around and shifted looked and
looked really cool and and futuristic but looked cool and futuristic in a way
that wasn't compromizing the functionality of the thing like we see
so often with a with a concept device or
vehicle or whatever else but the thing that stood out to me the most about it
aside from that was when you when you sat in it the seat was really
comfortable like really comfortable you kind of sink
into you lean back and you're and and you're holding on to the steering wheel facing forward I like the live action
demonstration but also very comfortable
to kind of shift your butt about you know 20° put an ARM on the very wide
middle armrest obviously designed for two middle armrest and have a
conversation because that concept car
would be a concept of a fully self-driving car so they're kind of
sitting there going yeah we don't want to sacrifice the The Ultimate Driving
Experience because driving is is a verb
and you're the driver you drive the car
it's it's driving they don't want you to their whole tagline Ultimate Driving
Experience they don't want you to not be able to drive the car and have and have
a great time so it's not a couch on Wheels but it also really did think
about those do exist you know conversing
between the passenger and driver just kind of looking at each other got a
video plan playing on the dash while the car drives itself as well which I I
don't know I just I thought that was uh I thought that was really cool now we
just need self-driving coaches on Wheels hey I I I'm taking it one step
further I'm going with the Homer Simpson dream sequence where he's got the flying
bed oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yes and and I want cherubs sort of holding on to each
of the each of the bed posts and kind of carrying me off to wherever it is that I
that I need to go um
fantastic I want to take this I want to take this opportunity to uh to get you
guys to tweet at linest Tech let me know if there's anything that you guys want
us to talk about and while you guys are tweeting at us we've actually got a
couple of of special special guests that wanted to come and just kind of say hi
these guys helped us out a lot a lot
this uh this year so I'm gonna I'm going to move my chair over here I'm actually
just going to like super ghetto widen the shot over there and these guys can
squeeze into the middle l and I just have to yell so you can hear us it'll be
all right how many systems do you guys have
here I think we have seven seven yeah
seven this year we cut way back how many
did you have last year like 12 oh my goodness okay I thought you were
joking yeah no we had like 12 so yeah we
got a little sleep this year actually before we came so that was different
that's yeah that's an the truck was completely packed the seven G gamer
system everything all the night before and then
in the shop ready for a c okay so come
come on come on in a little bit closer here guys I think we're all uh I think
we're so running into BS and stuff so
this is Bob Stewart and Rod Rosenberg of
BS mods and you guys will probably recognize them if you ever watched that
mod 24 uh contest that Luke and I sort
of MC slash hosted these guys guys
Shuffle everyone over a little bit yeah these guys did end up winning the thing
but uh they do far more than just build
you know white and green themed machines around the gtx980 and I'd love to hear
from you guys what has been the highlight of the show for you so far you
know we spent a lot of time looking at cases surprisingly yeah really um
surprising cases yeah fasc so a couple
cases that we want to see right away what's inwin doing because they do some
pretty remarkable stuff uhhuh signature
and what not they do anything interesting this year a boat that's not
England that was so enwin's got a brand new
um what is the name the Signature Series yeah I don't remember it uh it's
actually an H frame H frame hame yeah it's the H frame series whatever and you
know remarkable lighting and a custom
power supply size oh yeah yeah a custom power supply and a window power Supply
yeah with lights lit power supply yeah
uh it's it's the same idea as the towel
where if the lights on the inside of the power supply are not on it looks like a
mirror but when the light is on you can see on the inside so you can see all the
internal components to the power supply it's actually pretty sick and it's designed to it you can only get it if
you buy that case it's designed to go with that case so the aesthetic is the
same which is great if the power supply ever fails in the future and you to
replace it it only fits in that case yeah that that's that's that's that's
that seems like a good idea um what else have you guys seen on the
case side of things I mean honestly it's been pretty quiet from my perspective
well we saw some uh well there's you know every year there's new things
that's why we're here but um I think we saw the Deep cool Suite they had some
really unique things going on there um
and then Leon Lee with the Prototype
builds of the yacht the boat you know and and so those were kind of cool too
we had some ideas when we saw those that we'd like to uh you know turn them into
battleships or you know just something cool but um I like the Coast Guard idea
yeah Coast Guard yeah you know maybe do Coast Guard theme you know there's a lot
you could do with them really so those were pretty awesome yeah okay so uh here
squeeze in a bit more so you guys are sitting right at the table got people
complaining sound is too low I'll just
okay so these guys did us a huge huge
favor keep squeezing in squeeze squeeze
all right okay these guys did us a huge
favor because I am fairly certain that
if we had shipped seven Gamers one CPU
down to Vegas we it was not going to get here in
one piece in fact uh one of their fellow
fellow modders Travis Jen had a system
completely destroyed in shipping
incidentally a system system that was in the same case that we used for seven
Gamers one CPU like what were you saying boot marks yeah boot marks on the Box on
the box when they got it it had shoe marks all over it like somebody used it
as like a booster or something to climb up a wall or who knows what but it was
destroyed on the very Stout Cas Labs case they've got the Pressed in uh
pieces to allow the panels to attached and those ripped out and so panels are
tweaked motherboard tray bent just I mean total and a missing stick of memory
gone not in the Box Not underneath the flaps of the Box not stuck to tape gone
it's great because our viewers give me so much crap for harping on case
manufacturers about packing material but you guys get it right oh you guys
understand how important is the packing material when you decide to buy a case
if you are having a system built in it
before it is shipped to you yeah yeah shipping a loaded ch see no packing
material seems to be designed for it well yeah the packing material is
actually just made for the empty case
yeah so that's what it's designed for once it's been built if you you know do
ship it somewhere it's not designed for that extra weight so there's a chance
something can happen so we usually try to build uh wooden crates and um that
fit that particular build you know and and that saved us although we've got
some builds back that the wooden crate was uh taped together hoping that it
would hold together so you know that stuff happens
so okay so I've been I've been meaning to ask you guys this
um uh give me give me a score out of 10
oh oh I know it's coming oh on seven Gamers one CPU I want to know I want to
know what you guys think
um on as an
overall you can decide you can decide I I no let's say on the physical build um
the physical build give me a score out of 10 I I want I want I want you on a
thoughts how do I do can that camera pick up my face turning red right now
it's like I don't know you go first R all right I think I'm going to go with
seven because a seven it's actually more generous than I was expecting okay the
ssds were done well you know yeah it's
double stick tape we love that stuff too
but you've got the full window you got a nice display of a of a impressive array
of ssds MH yeah you've got a theme that
runs throughout it's got paint it's got tubing it's got cables that all tie
together it's got fans custom fans I
mean who who can't love those nocta fans
so yeah yeah uh on who don't have the lus tech tips Edition one that's who
yeah so I I think it was well done I
would love hold on that's the next question okay okay so you you got to
give me you got to give me a score too all right so I'm going to give you a
7.5 oh wow so are you just like are you
basically kissing up at this point yeah yeah yeah no uh just for that half of an
extra brownie point you know so no actually uh that thing was really clean
you know we we are very particular with every build we do so we make sure that
all the wires are running correctly and super tight and shortened to the right
length and the you know uh stuff like that the one thing I could say that you
guys maybe should have done has added some lighting inside the case MH um so I
didn't see that and um it was nice that you went with a two-tone so you had a
little bit of extra you know a little bit of extra flavor there so some
different colors mixing it up a little bit that was good um but the layout was
great everything it was just no actually you guys did a really nice job so um
yeah I think 7.5 is probably right on
the money for for us I mean if you had one of our paint jobs you know of course
the score would go way up there you know it's like no it was a great job brownie
points motion got everything under
control okay okay okay so I I can't take
credit for the extra half a point because I came to Luke and I said Luke
orange or black for the tubing and Luke
goes half and half and I'm like safe
answer yeah well no I I I don't consider that a
safe answer I think black is a safe answer yeah for sure black would be the
safest of the three choices with probably all orange being the most kind
of out there but I kind of went no no no no pick one and he goes no you've got
the black and orange in the cabling you have to go black and orange in the tubing I'm like well hold on a second
we've got we we've got other orange accents we've got the orange accents on
the fans you know what what about those orange accents is that enough he goes
no well also because the fans were black and orange and the cables were black and
orange and everything else was black and orange and wanted the tubing just to be
do you guys ever along do you ever like just get along and like agree on
anything or is it always like we get along but we're like he's a car that's
driving right and I'm a car that's driving left so we just go B kind you're
just stuck there like you're kind of that's how we make progress yeah exactly
yeah you know other people would tell you you know you all got to drive in the
same direction we would tell you you just kind of like you know RAM up
against the guy next to you kind of it might not be as efficient but sometimes
you cinch on and then both Motors help no I actually don't think it that's
that's very very very good that I tried okay Rod what would you have done
differently I gotta add the Hardline a
you really you're GNA you're going to rag on me about the Hardline you know
but it was a great job with tubing and Hardline is not everything but with the
two CPUs and the fact that you've got that excellent seven-way block you know
I just think the Hardline would have just put the build over the top okay so
Hardline and lighting and then what do I get without OBS mods paint
job oh without the paint
job cu the paint job turns it up to
11 oh man I'd say
uh Hardline and
lighting I get I'd say an extra full
point eight and a half eight and a half okay all right okay that's good to know
I know what to strive for next time I am probably not going to end up doing
Hardline anytime soon did you guys see my personal rig update yet I have not
seen it yet okay so that's over only over on vessel and you guys are going to
cringe oh great so freaking hard on that
video because I went into it thinking
okay I'm doing Hardline tubing on this and I'm like like I get out the heat gun
and I get out the the monsoon bending it and I get out the all the blocks and
everything and I go and I put I put the uh GTX Titan X in the top and then I put
the Intel 750 SSD in another slot and I
go oh yeah hold on a second what is how
am I going to get a Bend between this full height card with a water block and
this half height card with a water block and not have the bottom card interfere
with the bottom of the case when I try and get a right angle Bend out of it so
tell me so so so anyway so from there I
go and I'm like okay we have to do soft tubing but I didn't account for this and
so none of my fittings are going to are going to fit like this is a foru chassis
it doesn't even have the same width as some some of some Tower chassis so when
you're coming off the graphics card or and the uh so yeah so when
you're coming off even the um even the reservoir I was having
trouble with the bends right so so I end
up digging up these like you know remember that kind of rusty blood red
that bits power had right I end up digging those out for a black and blue
themed build otherwise and I'm like okay I've got some 90s and some
45s like maybe maybe I can make this work and then finally I find a couple of
90 Silvers and I'm like okay maybe I'll just go with my ancient true Silvers the
the old silver play on I'm like oldies
but I believe they're goodies and that is exactly how old people think
and and then I I I end up I end up actually using a heat G the heat gun to
bend soft tubing right in order to get extra little twist to it so you end up
with that weird angle coming out of the fitting kind of like this instead of
coming out straight and bending nicely but um you know you got I don't want to
score from you guys on that all right yeah we'll we'll not do that if you want
to watch the train wreck then go go ahead go ahead enjoy it's in my plans
yeah we will we will definitely no okay
so the last thing here is uh this is something that we've kind of been kind
of been kicking around internally um and something that I know that you guys have
expressed interest in but I'd love to hear from the audience we have never
done like whether it's uh whether it's like a tech Showdown style buildoff or
whether it's a scrapyard Wars we have never done anything like that with a
Team Battle
so we're formally inviting you guys to
participate with us but we are going to
leave this up to the audience oh oh boy
is this like a is this like a rap battle SL battle or is this just straight up
the whole time it better be rap battle do you want to
see me and Luke get destroyed by these guys cars
bumping or do you want to see Luke and I
each pick who we think is the best of BS
mods oh oh wow and split the two dream
teams and make them compete against each other oh man so I'm going to create a
Twitter pole here guys and uh yeah we
we're we're going to do this you guys have you guys have been working on this
haven't you you just didn't pull that out of the hat which team the live
decision was out of the Hat oh the team battle was not really okay okay so I'm
I'm creating this so lonus and Luke versus BS mods oh well I guess you guys
are just BSM there you go or actually here no
let's just do uh LMG versus BS mods
or uh split the team
okay all right all right let's let's tweet this let's tweet this puppy and
let's uh let's have a look at those at those results as they come in I will
share that link with you guys in the twitch chat here I need you all to vote
and I need you guys to be serious here okay because this could determine
although I retain my veto Powers uh
this this could determine how this is going to go down so in the meantime why
don't we go back to back to sort of the the regular Twitter boards here and see
what you guys have submitted that you'd like us to talk about from the show so
oh man of course the the entire the entire Twitter feed is full of like team
Team Battle scrapyard Wars team Team Battle Tech
Showdown um okay so Jordan Leighton asks
what's up with the 8K stuff there at a certain point isn't more KS just useless
have you spent much time on the show do you see any of the 8K stuff I have seen zero okay have you guys seen any 8K
stuff this year yeah we did see a couple what do you think if if you're going big
I mean these huge displays you know 80 plus inches AK is cool but where do you
get content no that's a you know yeah it
those demos look so beautiful on these ultra thin screens and it's like okay I
don't think Dish Network's quite pump in AK well you just watch those demos and
loop over and over and over I mean now
I'm kind of offended by this to be perfectly honest because I'd like to
point out to you guys that there are a lot of you know great YouTube creators
out there okay sure making a lot of great content right and YouTube actually
does support 8K at this time wow it
doesn't look any better than you know a Blu-ray at 1080p because of the bit rate
but I'm still going to sit here and be offended because that's the kind of guy I am you got your 8K camera he said I
didn't well I don't know you like a drama sign
over yeah okay so so in response to Jordan my I mean my whole take on 8K is
that unless you are unless we're talking
about 8K displays that sit about this far in front of your face in a VR
headset I'm really not that interested
because even 720p to 1080p I can really
tell like that's that's that's very noticeable to me definitely but it's not
like the jump from you know 480p to 720p
either the difference between watching a
a DVD versus a 70 and 480 yeah yes so
the difference between a 480p DVD and a
720p video is huge the difference
between 720p and 1080p is definitely more enjoyable and I'm talking on like a
55 in TV in a normal sized living room like what like what 90 99% of people are
at or below right now and the jump from
1080p to 4K is
like oh yeah oh yeah I can see it but by
the first you know three minutes of the movie that I'm watching I've completely
forgotten about it yeah definitely because that's what movies are you know
watching a movie unless you're some kind of you know Cinema equipment buff like
Brandon is not about the technique that
they used to blah blah blah blah it's
and even for him it's not about the
resolution so the only people that care about that there's the guys that sit
down and watch a movie for the escapism and that's I think most people then
there's the guys that are getting into the techniques behind it and then
there's the guys who are just straight Gearheads and just want to know that a
higher number camera and more of those cameras was used to make it sorry they
shot it in a 4K stereo 3D no that's not good enough we need 6K
stereo 3D I mean the reality of it is is one of the most popular digital cameras
digital film cameras in Hollywood right now the Ari Alexa is a 2.5k camera that
image is considered acceptable by Hollywood directors who are you know
super easy to please with with the equipment that they use and super you
know flexible and that stuff that's considered good enough for a movie
theater and and I bet you didn't
notice so so I'm personally not sold on
8K with that said I think that for for
very very closely positioned displays uh
particularly for VR it cannot come soon enough and I love that the displays are
coming so that the display interface technology can catch up so that the
content ecosystem can be built so it can become mainstream so people can demand
it and they can feel like oh if we make this then people will think we're a cool company I look forward to all that stuff
but not for not so that I can have an 8K TV
just so you guys know right now we're waiting for another update on the polls but currently it's 52% and 48% really
that's cool it was sitting 5050 for a long time currently it's 5248 currently
leaning towards LMG versus interesting a big
Showdown you know we still got to remain friends after this so we got to make
sure it's like Mario Party man we cut
ties uh Jordan also asked what happened in the ASUS Booth you seemed pretty
salty oh no no I I love those guys they're great guys uh no no salt no salt
whatsoever I do not like going to shows
and being shown something that people won't tell me what it is because I want
to bring you guys the most complete information that I can but the only
reason that laptop drove me so
crazy was that it surprised me they were
doing something I didn't understand that form factor and that CPU should not have
been running continuously without throttling and they were really
smug they were super smug they were
like that was that was exactly the look on my face I asked about it and everyone
in the booth turned to me and went okay that's not quite how it went
guarantee that going happen I wasn't salty but I was pushing them pretty hard
including pressuring them publicly through the video to tell me what's up
so I could tell you guys they they
wouldn't they didn't and I can't tell you anything other than that that looks
like a very impressive little
notebook um okay Luke your thoughts on
egpu technology is it becoming viable for the average consumer now that we
have USB 3.1 Thunderbolt uh I haven't actually seen
many of those devices here I've literally seen zero g Gigabyte had one I
did not see it or excuse me MSI MSI had
one they didn't show it on their oh well was over on the system side you were
focused on component over okay okay okay okay to be completely Fair I've seen
none of the new ones so not very many then do you want me to do you want me to
kind of like describe what what has were systems at the show so yeah okay so so I
saw a couple of them I saw razer's core
which is quite small uh beautiful
aluminum construction man did they ever nail that did you guys see it yes that
very very nice how thick is that aluminum is that three four mil yeah
probably probably 3 mil really really
thick um and they've made it toolless so you can actually just pop out a handle
you slide the whole thing out like it feels kind of like a like a server blade
or something like you kind of Slide the whole thing out and you can change out the graphics card and shoot click back
in like really really nice
um the one thing that's not ready yet is
both ASUS and Razer are talking about hot plug okay hot plug PCI Express is
not easy it's not simple it requires BIOS cooperation it requires driver
cooperation on both NVIDIA's side and
Intel's side it is not simple and for
both of them I basically yanked out the cords crashed the systems um and was
like okay so it's not working yet and they're like no but by the time the
product comes and I think they're both looking at sort of the next two to four
months time frame they're both expecting to have it working because that was one
of the things that was kind of cluggy about the gs30 shadow MSI's uh like
giant dock thing that their that their laptop went on top of was that you had
to shut down the system in order to switch modes and then turn it back on
MSI actually has a new dock so that's the third one that I saw this year which
is not USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt so their
new dock is much Slimmer it's uh it's
much better looking but it still has that same connector so it's actually
forward and backwards compatible is my understanding um and we'll work with
multiple different notebooks from their lineup their solution has a couple of
advantages number one is that it's PCI e6x as if anyone really cares about that
because the performance is not really a factor um PCIe 3.0 forx is just fine for
an external GPU but they are sticking
with that large like more than PCI
e-shaped connector so that they can have additional devices that operate in the
dock so that they can have that full bandwidth and they are willing to trade
off the the ability to hot plug it
because I think from their perspective the user should not be hot plugging a
GPU at this point in time so MSI who I
considered a front runner in external graphics cards on
laptops um back when we covered the gs30 shadow last year is kind of going well
hold on everybody let's slow down I don't think we're ready for this um
another thing that I really need to know before I can talk about how amazing this
is is what is interoperability going to look like uh Razer wasn't quite as Cy as
ASUS about this where Razer said we're validating on the blade Ste
and if it works on other stuff great ASUS is maybe thinking about locking it
down wow so it would only work on at you
know presumably an Rog but it would only work on an ASUS laptop with USB 3.1 and
Thunderbolt 3 um msis is obviously
completely proprietary and if it's tied down to
this model of laptop or this brand of laptop then it takes away a lot of the a
lot of the benefit of swappable Graphics
right which is that you can upgrade your system kind of Peace meal as you go hey
I need more GPU horsepower now and then oh my GPU is actually still okay but
maybe it's time for time to trade in the old laptop if that's not an option then
I think that really hurts the solution with the final piece of the puzzle being
price no one is talking about it uh so
Luke you remember back when we did that magma 3T thing right yeah yeah yeah uh
so we covered an old Thunderbolt like
quite large like like the width of a shoe box thing um that actually accepted
three addin cards and I I had understood
because I was wrong um that it would work with graphics cards and that thing
was like $900 neither Razer norus would comment
on price other than to I got kind of a
vibe from men at Razer that the core
should be less than that did you start
at one and go is it two is it three is
it four no I I had a poor strategy going
into it I started at that thing was $8.99 and he went okay it's not that
which actually doesn't even necessarily mean cheaper now that I think about
it an update we're at almost 2,000 votes it's now
5545 wow that's closer than I thought I thought everybody go straight up just
like let's tear them apart you know really so they want to see LMG versus BS
mods R oh Bo very interesting we tried
lus so they just want a good run they like to see me eat Humble Pie yeah I
think uh oh man uh oh okay this question is from
Kylie kefir when can we get the WAN hoodies that I am wearing by the way uh
all LMG staff are now equipped with uh
with the with the Linus Tech tips W hoodies we actually had them bring a few
early samples to the show so we could wear them in the videos and wear them
out about as kind of like a team uniform thank you thank you hoodie model 3 um oh
that's straight up Gangster right there V do do you know when the shipments
arrive like do we know I'm getting I'm getting the old um so it's better to
promise nothing and deliver something eventually than to promise a date and
even deliver something eventually after that date so we're going to go with Deno
uh we are definitely have more Noctua fans in a couple of months and if the
WAN hoodie which by the way like I
apologize but it was expensive to make and there's a lot of logistics that goes
into it there's margins for the resellers uh the L hoodie is going to be
$99 us if the WAN hoodie is a success for us
I will promise that you guys will see
more stuff like this in the future from us because we think there's really a lot
more to to our merch than just just printing a logo on a T-shirt and we want
to really explore some of the other cool ideas that especially edel has for for
stuff that we can do have you guys like this yet it looks I was just admiring it
it looks pretty high quality good thread count you know I mean Egyptian cotton
yeah right what is this what is this
silk Chinese silk sheets yeah
right um Luke do you want to talk about the HTC Vive the Vive made a lot of big
changes I haven't actually been able to meet with HTC yet okay but you tried it
though right I have tried it in the paint application which is actually
actually a good demo I know it sounds boring but the paint application you get
to move around in 3D space and basically you have uh what a brush ESS you can
change different things you done have you tried the new Vibe on it yeah yeah
what did you guys think I love it it's he spent awesome a long time I mean he
spends a lot of time in a paint booth already but I had some fun I was like
the virtual paint booth Bob was like gone I created a whole like Campground
with like grass and a tree and fire and
and a sign and all kinds of stuff so they they give you crazy effects and stuff the reason why I think the paint
demo is actually really good for a Vive and the reason why a lot of people give
the paint demo is because you can move around in 3D space with the being spaced
out and you can paint wherever you want with the controllers so like you said
make a campground you could probably walk through the camp absolutely it's
just like as if you could spray paint into the air and have it stick to the
air right where it is and just then you can just move all around andain just
crazy basically yeah they've made some changes this is
the part that I don't know about cuz I hav't met with them yet there's now a camera on the front of the Vive right
heard about that I'm not entirely sure what the intention for that is there's a
lot of different ideas people are throwing around one of them is like
literally so if someone calls you on your computer you could like pass
through and then see what's going on or if you're still worried about the bounds
of the sensors and you're like I really feel like I'm going to run into something you could pass through and
check you without taking it off having to realign and maybe you smudged a lens
with your oily hair and now you have to clean it or something like that CRA it's
genuinely annoying so it's may be nice for a pass through the controllers
though I don't know what's going on with the controllers before the controllers
were a like touchpad on the top fa
standard setup now it's still a touchpad but there's this ring yeah and I have no
idea what the ring is about I'm wondering if it's trying to up the
accurac when you're on til I felt like when you twisted it that might be what it was for
and it seemed to be accurate that way too it did seem to be very accurate and
it had less jumping and disconnects than the previous controllers did very smooth
but like that's a crazy design so I don't know I still need to meet with HTC
to figure out what the heck they're doing once the helmet's on though you don't you don't see it so you know see
your things you know so it feels like the I'm just wondering uh I don't think
it's a bad thing I'm just wondering why they decided to do it and it seems to be
more accurate so that's great I'm just wondering what the theory behind it is
or if that's all there is there might be something more I don't really worry about that too much cuz I figure you
know you already look weird anyway walking around with something on your head so you know what what does it
matter at that point but no I'm sure there's a reason for it but one of the
biggest things I noticed here though was um a lot of people have been fighting
about exclusives over the VR headsets I haven't weighed in that a ton because
they're not out yet we're not seeing what's going on I think I kind of really
get it now the demos that you're seeing that are really good good on the Vive
right even that aren't exclusive are not the demos that you're seeing that are
really good on the Oculus they're different strengths they're better at
different things and I don't even really care about the exclusives a lot of those
games I wouldn't want to play on the other one anyways right I don't know so
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build it beautiful thank you Luke no so let's go back to um the followup
question this one is actually from uh 10day tende day Dongo that cannot be a
real name and if it is cool man
um so so you just said you left off as a
refresher you left off saying the excl the exclusive titles here I wouldn't
necessarily even want to play here so then what I gather from that is that
much like many hardcore console Gamers would obviously own a Wii U a
PlayStation 4 and an Xbox One hold on I'm going somewhere with this
okay is your and it's a two-part question is your expectation that you
and other hardcore VR enthusiasts are
just going to have to Pony up and buy both or or all and part two of the
question is so let's talk then about how
much that's going to cost now that we know the price of the Oculus Rift and
there there's interesting debate on the price of the Oculus Rift and I might not
be on the side that everyone necessarily thinks I'm on I'm not even really on a
side I think there's Fair Arguments for both
um yes and no especially looking at the
New York apartment argument which is people don't have as much space as they
used to wherever you happen to be but especially in a New York apartment the
Vive is actually really difficult sell I've seen very awesome demos on the Vive
like incredible demos the Everest demo that NVIDIA has been showing off like
super cool if you can get a setup in your house where you have like an ice
box behind a fan and you wear like a parka and you do the Everest demo no
seriously it's awesome because they used actual footage from Everest it's it's
not like a random some guy tried to see how accurately he could recreate it like
you're on Everest and it's the high really high resolution screen it's it's
amazing but you need a lot of space for that so
I don't think the adoption is going to be as high and I think a lot of it going to come down to someone going oh I have
the space to be able to get a Vive maybe I'm going to do that or someone going I
kind of need a seated experience that just has a little sensor in front of me
I'm going to get a rift I and then some people being like YOLO I have enough
space and gratuitous amounts of money I'm going to buy both I think buying
both and have a gaming rig having a gaming rig that's fast enough is going
to be a little bit of a hard sell for the average person because that's a lot
of money because I don't see the Vive being that much cheaper or cheaper at
all I don't know okay so then now that you've said that you don't see the Vive
being cheaper talk about talk about 599 $599 is expensive and I know Oculus
talked early on about how they're trying to not make like they're they're not
going into to make huge amounts of money on the headset and I know the development kits were
cheaper but if you line them all up and
you look at the years that they've been out for I know it's been a while since
development kit 1 but you pick up development kit one and it feels like
crap it feels clunky the screen is terrible Nothing fits very well the
velcro straps are like basically literally from a ski mask like
it's the bomb cost isn't that high you go to DK2 it steps up a lot it gets a
lot better but there's still some problems there's still a bit of weight there uh the foam is nah there 's a lot
of n all over the place you get to Consumer version one the foam is
replaceable so that after you have it for a long time if you're sweating into
it or whatever it's not gross the the materials are really good they feel very
solid and they're very light which is an expensive thing to do the sensors in it
are very accurate it's extremely smooth the screen looks great lately
everything's really good they have a new sensor stand which is fantastic all that
stuff is great people are complaining about the included controller the Xbox
controller not a huge fan about that either either I don't really care I
would rather be able to just buy that on its own they're uh complaining about the
included Oculus controller something Palmer has said and I do believe him
however is that those didn't even massively impact the cost of the setup
and they aren't making a ton of it on it and everything that's inside the headset
is really expensive now I'm going to believe that I'm going to jump in and
say yes the headset is really expensive
but one thing I wish it was cheaper too one thing that bothers me a little bit
is that well not bothers me a little bit but I guess it's sort of kind of like I
told you so you you guys had this coming I mean Oculus For Better or For Worse
had expectations out there that it was
going to cost in the neighborhood if I think we can all agree we all thought it was going to be $250 to
$400 was that kind of the the perception
I was I would probably reach 300 or 450
was my expectation so like yeah I two I
was going to say that but then I figure some people are probably pretty optimistic sure yeah yeah yeah so from
the kickstarter campaign and you know from kind of the way that was structured
and from the way that they talked and the way that they never corrected anybody yeah and I think they and then
yeah even worse that was the expectation
that was kind of the number in the backs of people's heads for Better or For Worse then when the Facebook acquisition
happened a lot of the justification a
lot of the reason we're doing this was to make it more affordable
for everyone so I think people were kind of running around thinking oh well that
perception I had before well maybe now that that Facebook's basically dumping
buckets of cash into this maybe they're just going to sell them all at a you
know a $100 loss maybe I can pick up an Oculus Rift for for $199 by the time it
launches and I think even though they never confirmed that either the fact
that they let us think something without coming out and saying look it's going to be over $500 because they wanted the
hype train they wanted people to at least talk about it cuz I know a lot of
people who won't talk about something that costs more than $500 because it
might as well be a Bentley for them like it's true though it's not
affordable um and I think they let that
happen I think they let that perception remain and they used that PR line about
the Facebook acquisition which I don't think anyone's really upset about anymore in order to to smooth things
over with the community and then they Dro this bomb on the community oh by the
way it's $600 which in Canadian Rupees
after taxes is going to be about $1,000 yeah seriously not taxes and shipping
it's about a grand it will cost almost as much as a VR capable gaming PC wow
almost as much yeah you do need a lot of power side note super interested into
benchmarking for VR that's going to be actually really fun but yeah it's I
can't disagree with any of that I'm actually not that surprised by its price once I tried on the consumer version one
the first time I immediately knew it was going to be way more expensive they
ditched certain things and I think this actually came with it's an interesting
point that you talked about the Facebook acquisition I think this came with the
Facebook acquisition but later on I think Facebook wasn't necessarily okay
with the idea of ski goggle straps right
because they're super not ski goggle straps anymore there's this thing that
kind of sits on the back of your head and it's great and the velcro straps are way more high quality now you don't get
your hair stuck in them really anymore like the fit and finish has jumped
massive amounts and in talking to people
from Oculus you point at something and they're like yeah that material was
really expensive like I don't think they necessarily wanted this to get really
expensive but Facebook was probably going this needs to be social this needs
to be comfortable to wear Financial analysts are looking at I went to vrx
financial analysts are looking at this going you need to be able to come home
and play a game for 6 hours constantly on this thing and then go to bed fit and
finish Comfort wearability went through the roof and cost materials went through
the roof right it happened to the Vive
too the new version of the Vive that came out here is way more comfortable
than it used to be is way more uh way less rickety than it used to be all the
stuff in the VR space feels way more solid and feels way more expensive
although I'm thinking that it might be okay for
the Target customer base before you stab me um it's extremely hard to run a game
at acceptable rates for VR and before
you say like oh my computer can run
games at 90fps you're going to want really high
settings and you need 90 FPS to be like your
minimum it's going to be really hard you're going to need a need a badass rig
to be able to run this so I don't really see that many people going like H I'm
going to spend this much money on my computer in order to run VR when if the
VR headset was 200 bucks cheaper they would be able to do it right so you're
saying anyone who's got the disposable income to build a dual 980 TI rig can
afford an Oculus Rift or if someone has that amount of disposable income and
they were going to buy a rift I don't see $200 more being that difficult for
them I see $200 more being impossible
for a lot of people right but I think those people might not be having 980 TI
rigs multiple 980ti rigs right maybe they do I don't know this is random
speculation that I have the twitch shot is probably murdering me right now no
actually okay I'm quite surprised it's crazy the overall cost of a rig when you
talk about it's really high it's really
high and VR and that's the thing right now monitors are exploding people are
looking at the the that PG monitor that runs at 165 HZ it's over a grand in
Canada um so if you're if you compare
that ultrawide experience to maybe I don't go Ultra wide and I go VR so then
tell me this okay so I think we can probably turning into the VR show um and
it is kind of a big deal at CES this year like the VR section of the show
floor is like everywhere okay just kind of try and move through here um so so so
there's various stages of adoption right now I think at
$600 where it really has zero functionality outside of games and Tech
demos yeah we're talking like the same people who are running around buying
Google Glass and this this this is something that lonus and I talk used to
talk about more but always talk about on the L show which is maybe you don't buy
version one yes version one isn't the killer version version one is the like
the people that are crazy about it will probably go for it and have probably
been planning to be going for it for a while and then later and this is again
there was this crazy financial analyst that was at vrx and it was really
interesting to hear him talk he was saying he put up some price ranges he
said if it's over $1,000 he doesn't think it's going to make it if it's high
range within $1,000 he thinks there will be hardcore adapters or adopters and
hopefully the industry can push forward which is interesting because that looks
like exactly what just happened um if it's low like under 500 bucks he thinks
it's going to be really good um but he's not sure if that's possible and once you
get to like $100 for a capable one no
see but this is going to be way down the line once you're able to buy one of these for 100s and it's still a really
good experience that's when it explodes so I think there's a stage in between
and that's when it still costs you know
$600 to $1,000 but it's functional Beyond just
gaming and and Tech demos and even social interaction like I think if they
can and stuff we were talking about no what I'm talking about actually is if
cuz we we talk about the ultra wide monitors and how many of those moving at
$700 or or you look back at any development in monitor technology let's
let's treat it like a monitor for a second whether it's 1440p uh you know 27
in when that happened or whether it's Ultra wide now or whether it's 4K that
six to $700 price point is actually
palatable for Creative Professionals for high-end consumers and for people who
who like shiny toys but they do these aren't the people also who are just like
you know whatever so once it has a functionality
Beyond games then I think we can talk
and if they get the resolution high enough it can be a virtual monitor
because they they have the virtual monitor idea but you're you're right the
the resolution isn't there yet yeah and this is again the maybe the next version
thing so what you're saying is if it's good enough to be like a Workhorse if I
don't need to buy it on top of my ultra wide for productivity now you've got my
attention especially like let's say I'm a day trader for example you get the
resolution high enough those guys can never have enough monitors those guys if
they can have virtual monitor space all
around New York apartment right well you can set up that essentially the the
crazy Star Wars computer thing that everyone loves which is the monitors in
a complete circle around them you could just spin around in your chair yes we
have to figure out cables and stuff but people like orus at Gigabyte are working
on that resolution has to be better but if you can deliver that then I think
that opens up that opens up an in between stage where it can still be very
expensive but if it does more than just you know what I do for you know two
hours on a Friday night after my kids go to bed then I think you're able to
access a lot more people and to be fair
the financial analyst that was talking opened up with I know nothing about VR
right but I do a lot of financial analysis on the tech Bas so he doesn't
know about the potential for those things and that's a really interesting
bit of input yeah yeah so I don't know
I'm I'm not 100% against to the cost I'm not happy that it's a th000 Canadian
dollars to get one yeah are you buying one uh Probably sounds like it no just
wasn't happen it must be I mean I have to because if we're going to Benchmark
games in VR like you already bought the lineus Media Group one right so L
unforunately missed the first shipping window that is a shame okay I know we
had some issues with the credit card anyway we did that's unfortunately what
caused the Miss in the shipping window so minus Media Group is going to have
one we are going to be bringing you guys a proper formal review um as soon as we
possibly can now that we have a PR contact maybe
we can get at least at the very least maybe we can get our order bumped yeah
no I I'm planning on talking to him about that I still haven't received a
message probably tomorrow I'm expecting so so the sooner we can get on that the
better and we are going to bring you gaming
benchmarks and I have some ideas for those they won't just be done the same
way we do them now yeah yeah so uh so so
that's done but in terms of you know what I'm
out what I'm not buying one oh yeah I didn't expect you to I was going to oh
okay when I thought it was $299 to 399 us a few things changed number one is
the pric is sort of 60% to double what I
or 6 166% to 200% of what I thought it
was going to be so that's number one number two is the Canadian dollar is
falling about 25% since that time adding another
couple of hundred to the cost I haven't ordered one yet and that's actually
strictly because of the Canadian dollar so so I'm so I'm out um you know I might
tool around with it at work but that's a
work device that sits at work that's for us to do work on um and I will not own
one personally because I just am not in a position right now where that makes
sense for me so you know what we need to hear from
you guys yeah we need to do we need to do another Twitter poll yeah so there's
there's actually this is like this is a two-part this is a two-part answer right
here so let's let's get this poll going
oculus rift at
$600 so was was going okay um okay was
going to buy they don't give you a lot of
characters still no ah okay we're just no I'm just going
to do this really simple so was
still am
okay was not
anymore and uh let's go with um wasn't
and then uh am now and one thing that I
want to add here is that um there are a
number of demos that almost no one has tried
which are flat out insanely
incredible um one that I was able to try at NVIDIA last night and I don't think
has been shown very much this one's not the like no one who's tried this um but
bullet train have you guys played bullet train no I haven't bullet train is a
game made by epic and it's a standing
experience for Oculus it's a standing in
pivot experience you're not supposed to walk around um it's based on
teleportation slow down of time and firefights wow you you teleport around
to different areas where there are firearms that you can pick up and say
it's a shotgun you have to actually pump it um if it's a rifle it's really
inaccurate unless you hold it with both hands and you have to like actually position your hands properly uh if you
slow down time you can grab bullets out of the air and throw them back at people
the one boss that I was able to fight I have to catch a missile out of the air
and redirect it and then and like it's going to be at a weird angle and you
have to like and then redirect it and shoot it back at them
incredibly fun W right and like there's I'm finally starting to see games other
than Valkyrie that are like wow I really
want to play that so yeah and it does
include two games um a lot of consoles
when they first come out won't include a game and then later will include a game you get Lucky's tail and you get
Valkyrie with it and basically everyone's going to buy Valkyrie so you
can take some out of the costs if you consider that cuz buying an buying a
rift and not buy a game makes no sense right um and buying a rift and not
buying Valkyrie for most people I kind of think makes no sense okay so uh I
want to do the results of the LMG versus BS mods or split the teams thing first
so uh 60% of you are saying it's going to be LMG versus BS mods so unless I
decide to veto it because I'm like ah I don't want to lose that badly um that
looks like the route we're going to go timeline TBD these guys are really busy
we're really busy we got to make sure it works for everyone
now let's have a look at the results for did you ask them before the show at all
no we've T we've talked to them about the possibilities very I've been like
very light pitches over a while but yeah you guys were kind of like hinting
little things but uh yeah the opportunity you guys are down right well
you know we can uh we'll come up with a handicap of some kind you know I mean
we'll do like maybe uh I think we're going to ride hoverboards well yeah yeah
moding or something on yeah something like that
yeah mod the computer with your feet only yeah that might be fair well I
could like while if I'm doing some paint I could put a blindfold on Rod can
direct me with the gun and then you know
I mean we'll just we'll work something out to help you guys out a little bit
okay so um much two minutes so here's the final
answer then we've got 11% of you a mere
11% that say you intended to buy the
rift and you still intend to buy the
rift we've got the page taking a little while to load I wanted to refresh it there we
go we've got 33% of you in the lonus
camp you intended to buy one you are not buying one anymore we've got 3% of you
that have changed your minds the other way you didn't intend to buy one but now
you're down and a massive 53% of you
never intended to buy one and still don't intend to very interesting
obviously these aren't like you know scientifically derived results or
anything like that but uh there you go it looks like there's a lot more people
who feel the way that I do than I actually thought because I do wonder if
part of that um is letting everything B
out the shock yes and yes and something
else the one that I had but I think you're both right um which is the the
benchmarking performance right I think a lot of people are going into this like
oh yeah I want an Oculus it's super cool yeah yeah and then they see any price
tag they get to any form of checkout and they're like wait can I do this like I'm
going to have to upgrade my system I need a better GPU I want a new platform
I need okay this cost looks like more than just the head I note right I wonder
how much this would change after somebody actually tries it that's a huge
thing too one of oculus is biggest things is they need to use Best Buy as
weird as that is and they need to get demos out and people need to play bullet
train and people need to play Valkyrie and people need to play um um whatever
CCP ends up calling sorry CCP but your Tron game um and they need to be able to
try all these different things and it's
I don't know yeah we'll see how it actually ends up in I guess once think
it might play out maybe like the Wii a little bit where it took a while to get
going it was at a lower price point but then it just kind of took off because it
was such a new experience the lower price point helped it it's it sure won't
be it sure won't be 3D Vision where they did get the demos out there and people
did try and and they still didn't buy it yeah yeah yeah bullet train like you had
your set amount of demo time and you ran through the one scenario that was all it
was like you walked this way and then you walked that way and then you fought
and then everything was done and I tried to get in line literally as many times
as I possibly could you're that guy yeah but like there was other people doing it
too there was some uh chick who was totally not interested NVIDIA games or
VR at all but they had her try it just cuz she was there and she went back I
think two or three so like it's a thing
it's really expensive and I don't want anyone to break the bank on it not what
I'm saying but it's really cool all
right so thank you guys very much for tuning in to the W show thanks to our
special guests Bob and Rod for joining us here on the W show and we will see
you guys finally in a normal time slot
in the normal Studio next week we had
two statutory holidays fall on Fridays
so we ended up with weird pre-recorded shows that we were or were not present
on and then and then now we're in the
the hotel conference room so we'll see you next week on the usual bat time on
the usual bat Channel etc etc peace out
guys bye we don't have an outro this is
really weird I'm going to keep talking