WEBVTT 00:00:01.839 --> 00:00:07.519 maybe live maybe live I should hope so 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:13.120 welcome to the show today guys we figured out some of the issues 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:17.240 ahead of time like where we were going to stream from as you can see Kingston 00:00:15.040 --> 00:00:21.960 has gone ahead and decorated our streaming set with a whole bunch of 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:24.080 their uh their cute little you know rex 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:28.039 head things that they got going on here we figured out an internet connection 00:00:25.560 --> 00:00:33.320 we've actually got a 50 up 50 down connection so that was no problem but 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:38.360 what we didn't figure out was that well a couple of things I forgot the AC 00:00:35.440 --> 00:00:44.200 adapter for my laptop which is fully set up and configured for streaming I asked 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:45.760 for a USB microphone you asked for a 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:50.800 suggestion from the camera and editing people and they suggested XLR and then 00:00:47.239 --> 00:00:53.000 we took XLR just to clarify okay well my 00:00:50.800 --> 00:00:56.640 suggestion before their suggestion was grabbing a USB one because we know it 00:00:54.800 --> 00:01:03.719 works so we brought an XLR microphone which as as we know from past experience 00:01:00.879 --> 00:01:08.000 does not work uh in both Channels with our particular camera um so the the way 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:13.560 we've actually got it set up here is we've got a stereo microphone set up so 00:01:11.479 --> 00:01:17.640 we're plugged into both XLR inputs on our camera so the viewers on the one 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:24.240 side can actually this is kind of cool maybe we should do it this way from now on because viewers on one side can hear 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:28.960 me as if I'm you know sitting on that side of the screen I think they're still 00:01:26.119 --> 00:01:34.159 probably both closer to you um well no no but yeah but do it 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:36.720 properly yeah so there you go guys we 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:41.200 are we are finally live we are at the show it has been a heck of a week so far 00:01:39.479 --> 00:01:45.439 and this is going to be a bit of a a bit of a special episode uh because it's 00:01:43.600 --> 00:01:49.680 special in the sense that we don't have our lower Third special in the sense 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:54.840 that we don't have special in it there's lack of preparation yes yes so this 00:01:53.280 --> 00:02:01.920 episode going to trash on it like immediately is all about helping you 00:01:57.360 --> 00:02:04.640 guys appreciate the usual quality 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:08.879 standards and timeliness of the land show this time I mean we're late by 50 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:15.519 minutes usually we're late by like 30 minutes so like I mean that makes our 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:18.480 usual look so much better yeah see right 00:02:15.519 --> 00:02:23.720 guys and uh yes yes this will this will come on YouTube later at some point I 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:26.360 have no idea how it figures into the release schedule because as you guys 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:31.280 have probably noticed we've been releasing about a video every 3 hours 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:35.120 since we are arrived at the show and that is exactly what we're going to talk 00:02:32.720 --> 00:02:38.160 about today on the stream is what has been going on and uh what have been what 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:44.560 have been the highlights so far I'm going to drop right into this have you seen that crazy Chinese car no the 00:02:42.200 --> 00:02:48.720 electric car th000 horsepower over 200 mes hour no I did not you Haven seen the 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:54.760 Faraday car no I have not okay I'm going to drop into this immediately looks like 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:57.440 Batmobile 100% looks ridiculous um has 00:02:54.760 --> 00:03:02.920 over 100 or has over 1,000 horsepower can go over 200 mph is an electric car 00:02:59.879 --> 00:03:05.560 are just ridiculous some crazy Chinese 00:03:02.920 --> 00:03:11.280 entrepreneur company thing dumped huge amounts of money into this and the idea 00:03:08.920 --> 00:03:13.720 is that the platform much like Tesla did they were like look the Roadster and 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:19.360 then now they're changing to other things yeah it's the platform that they're really trying to show off the 00:03:17.440 --> 00:03:23.879 crazy thousand horsepower electric car is mainly just to like pull people in 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:28.280 and obviously get huge amounts of people talking about it because that's exactly 00:03:25.640 --> 00:03:31.239 what happened um but the main thing they're showing off if you watch their 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:37.280 monitor and stuff is that they have a modular platform and they want to turn 00:03:33.519 --> 00:03:38.760 this into other vehicles so yeah very 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:45.239 very interesting yeah I'm looking at it it's got kind of a uh it's got kind of a 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:47.480 a like Hot Wheels Batmobile kind of 00:03:45.239 --> 00:03:52.280 something yeah it looks like the like a like like the Batmobile and a Lambo had 00:03:49.799 --> 00:03:56.319 a baby and uh a little bit less aggressive than a Batmobile a little bit 00:03:54.159 --> 00:04:01.840 more aggressive than a Lambo man that is a very interesting 00:03:59.239 --> 00:04:07.480 looking vehicle so it can go from this is great so in theory a 1,00 horsepower 00:04:05.519 --> 00:04:15.159 machine of this weight could use it four electric motors at each wheel to hit 60 00:04:10.519 --> 00:04:17.519 mph in 3 seconds but that of course will 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:21.000 remain purely purely theoretical so Faraday has already committed it's 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:26.639 really interesting that they went with Faraday for the them of the company yeah 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:32.880 wow okay they have already committed to building A1 billion doll factory outside 00:04:29.919 --> 00:04:39.720 of Las Vegas real close to Elon musk's gigafactory thanks in part to $335 00:04:36.080 --> 00:04:42.120 million in incentives from the states 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:46.320 and they are actually just weeks away from breaking sorry the state the state 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:50.360 of Nevada so they're actually just weeks away from breaking ground on that 00:04:48.440 --> 00:04:54.759 project I love how fast we ditched screen sharing here I guess that was 00:04:52.400 --> 00:05:01.639 probably just my fault completely oh my bad everyone yeah I'll stop leaning over 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:01.639 and start doing work things 00:05:01.960 --> 00:05:09.360 what website are you on Yahoo yeah yeah I'm well are we done now yeah I I think 00:05:06.880 --> 00:05:12.840 I think we're kind of done um but yeah I I I was on my way to chiro and I've I've 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:18.479 heard of this I've talked to a few people about this I've been talking about it on Twitter I talked to a few 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:21.639 different taxi drivers about it yeah like I've I've been around and then 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:27.000 walking to chiro I was like oh fair day and then looked over and their entire 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:28.560 Booth was like completely packed and it 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:34.280 was the only booth that I saw like multiple people filming all at once I 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:40.160 think this might be the mo the biggest thing from CES this year there's still a 00:05:37.039 --> 00:05:43.120 lot of time for this to be a complete 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:48.720 bust oh yeah oh yeah there's there there's there's there's there's tons of 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:51.400 time for electric which is still not 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:55.039 even beginning to be established as as a mainstream technology there's still a 00:05:53.680 --> 00:06:00.240 lot of time for the traditional automakers to kind of go okay well all 00:05:59.280 --> 00:06:06.319 right I got I guess we better get our crapping gear I mean actually one of the things that I've had the most fun with 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:10.400 here at the show has been BMW so I test 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:12.000 drove the I8 um and I also got a chance 00:06:10.400 --> 00:06:17.080 to check out some of the concepts that they have for uh Touchless Control 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:20.919 inside the car at the same I totally hear what you're saying and I agree to a 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:24.400 large degree but at the same time I think I'm not surprised that this is 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:28.160 happening because if there was any time for a new player to jump into the auto 00:06:26.039 --> 00:06:32.199 space it's probably on the tail of electric yeah oh definitely 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:36.240 definitely definitely I mean that's when when there's a huge fundal change that 00:06:34.039 --> 00:06:39.639 occurs that's when that's when there's time for others to get more compe ground 00:06:37.919 --> 00:06:42.919 equals out a little bit more yeah I mean a perfect example would be something 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:47.440 like uh let's say let's say the the YouTube video sharing platform 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:52.639 completely disappeared overnight you know for whatever the new 00:06:49.880 --> 00:06:59.240 platform is we're at an advantage still because we have that viewership that is 00:06:55.120 --> 00:07:01.680 going to be out there looking for us but 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:06.759 uh oh I just realized we never tweeted that we're live um hey we didn't do a 00:07:04.400 --> 00:07:10.479 pre yeah yeah well this has been this has been definitely it's all about 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:17.360 helping them appreciate what we what we normally do um so be while we are still 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:20.759 sort of building up an audience on on a new platform that's a perfect time for 00:07:18.919 --> 00:07:24.440 someone else to come in be really competitive be really awesome and 00:07:22.440 --> 00:07:28.120 basically leave us in the dust it doesn't mean that we're you know down 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:31.000 for the count by any stretch of the imagination but like saying it just 00:07:30.039 --> 00:07:36.520 means that there's more of an opportunity and a major platform shift 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:39.319 like this where a lot of the existing 00:07:36.520 --> 00:07:46.599 ecosystem I mean let's let's face it Beyond you know molding for interiors 00:07:43.960 --> 00:07:51.599 and you know sources for you know leather and and metal and being able to 00:07:48.960 --> 00:07:56.479 create body components there's there's okay there's a lot of stuff that can be 00:07:53.080 --> 00:07:58.000 reused but but a lot of the science 00:07:56.479 --> 00:08:01.720 behind it a lot of the engineering behind it and a lot of the facilities to 00:07:59.599 --> 00:08:06.840 build this stuff I mean uh an entire facility dedicated to building gasoline 00:08:04.400 --> 00:08:11.199 or diesel engines is all of a sudden not an advantage it's not a problem and you 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:14.680 could certainly retrofit it it's not like the facility is all of a sudden 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:18.560 garbage it's just not nearly the same kind of advantage that you would have 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:22.879 had when every car was going to have a gasoline or a diesel engine in it and 00:08:21.080 --> 00:08:27.400 basically guaranteed basically guaranteed and all of the and all of the 00:08:25.280 --> 00:08:31.800 business advantages and economies of scale that go with having having a 00:08:29.520 --> 00:08:35.080 production line that is running at X capacity all the time and you've got 00:08:33.599 --> 00:08:39.440 this predictable flow of how many workers you know you need versus like 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:43.519 this like oh it's this completely new category we don't know how much 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:47.040 infrastructure to build up we still have to figure out the costing on it we have 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:49.640 to figure demand is still questionable blah blah blah blah BL demand is a huge 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:53.880 question and you're and you're an established automaker you're not allowed to be just sitting around losing money 00:08:52.600 --> 00:09:00.399 you have shareholders who expect you to be making money because you've been around for a hundred years uh whereas a 00:08:57.920 --> 00:09:05.839 new company coming in the expect is like everyone applauds when hey we lost only 00:09:03.040 --> 00:09:10.480 you know 20 million this year it's like who yeah what an improvement yeah so 00:09:08.680 --> 00:09:14.519 it's a completely different standard as well yeah um I'm going to do this tweet 00:09:13.079 --> 00:09:19.959 so do you want to jump into whatever our next topic here is I I yeah I still find 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:23.880 it weird that we have topics BMW air touch 3D you probably know things about 00:09:21.800 --> 00:09:27.680 that uh yeah so that was that was what I was talking about that uh that they were 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:33.160 doing I really like the concept that they have behind their electric stuff 00:09:30.079 --> 00:09:35.079 that they're showing off um so the that 00:09:33.160 --> 00:09:41.600 was the it was what do they call it like I8 future concept something something 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:45.200 yeah I I Vision future 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:47.160 interaction I was like okay that's a 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:50.240 hell of a name yeah it's a cool name but but there is some really neat stuff 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:55.320 about it so it's got this like super wide panoramic display and then it's got 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:59.680 a dual layer display right in front of the driver and then it's got a heads up 00:09:57.399 --> 00:10:03.720 display that is visible as your looking through the windshield and then the way 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:08.000 that you interact with all of this equipment is actually kind of like as if 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:11.360 the panoramic display was a touchscreen except that you just kind of gesture in 00:10:09.760 --> 00:10:14.959 the air and you kind of go oh like this and like that uh the video is already up 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:20.680 for it but the thing that stood out to me most about it um aside from you know 00:10:18.959 --> 00:10:25.440 the I I really liked the Dual layer display I haven't actually seen that 00:10:23.040 --> 00:10:28.760 practically applied in any meaningful way yet and it was really cool so it 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:32.920 would have like topographical information on on the rear display and 00:10:30.800 --> 00:10:37.680 your route information and speed and other details on the front display like 00:10:34.959 --> 00:10:42.240 overlaid in a way that as as things moved around and shifted looked and 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:45.880 looked really cool and and futuristic but looked cool and futuristic in a way 00:10:43.880 --> 00:10:50.760 that wasn't compromizing the functionality of the thing like we see 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:52.959 so often with a with a concept device or 00:10:50.760 --> 00:10:56.600 vehicle or whatever else but the thing that stood out to me the most about it 00:10:54.560 --> 00:11:00.160 aside from that was when you when you sat in it the seat was really 00:10:58.839 --> 00:11:03.839 comfortable like really comfortable you kind of sink 00:11:02.160 --> 00:11:09.560 into you lean back and you're and and you're holding on to the steering wheel facing forward I like the live action 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:11.639 demonstration but also very comfortable 00:11:09.560 --> 00:11:17.800 to kind of shift your butt about you know 20° put an ARM on the very wide 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:23.000 middle armrest obviously designed for two middle armrest and have a 00:11:19.880 --> 00:11:25.480 conversation because that concept car 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:29.079 would be a concept of a fully self-driving car so they're kind of 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:35.600 sitting there going yeah we don't want to sacrifice the The Ultimate Driving 00:11:31.680 --> 00:11:39.040 Experience because driving is is a verb 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:41.399 and you're the driver you drive the car 00:11:39.040 --> 00:11:45.519 it's it's driving they don't want you to their whole tagline Ultimate Driving 00:11:43.079 --> 00:11:49.160 Experience they don't want you to not be able to drive the car and have and have 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:55.760 a great time so it's not a couch on Wheels but it also really did think 00:11:51.880 --> 00:11:57.399 about those do exist you know conversing 00:11:55.760 --> 00:12:00.399 between the passenger and driver just kind of looking at each other got a 00:11:58.760 --> 00:12:05.160 video plan playing on the dash while the car drives itself as well which I I 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:09.959 don't know I just I thought that was uh I thought that was really cool now we 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:14.600 just need self-driving coaches on Wheels hey I I I'm taking it one step 00:12:12.839 --> 00:12:19.480 further I'm going with the Homer Simpson dream sequence where he's got the flying 00:12:16.959 --> 00:12:24.720 bed oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yes and and I want cherubs sort of holding on to each 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:29.760 of the each of the bed posts and kind of carrying me off to wherever it is that I 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:32.199 that I need to go um 00:12:29.760 --> 00:12:36.440 fantastic I want to take this I want to take this opportunity to uh to get you 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:39.880 guys to tweet at linest Tech let me know if there's anything that you guys want 00:12:37.680 --> 00:12:43.959 us to talk about and while you guys are tweeting at us we've actually got a 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:50.199 couple of of special special guests that wanted to come and just kind of say hi 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:52.040 these guys helped us out a lot a lot 00:12:50.199 --> 00:12:55.560 this uh this year so I'm gonna I'm going to move my chair over here I'm actually 00:12:53.560 --> 00:12:59.680 just going to like super ghetto widen the shot over there and these guys can 00:12:57.680 --> 00:13:03.560 squeeze into the middle l and I just have to yell so you can hear us it'll be 00:13:01.560 --> 00:13:10.760 all right how many systems do you guys have 00:13:06.880 --> 00:13:13.760 here I think we have seven seven yeah 00:13:10.760 --> 00:13:15.880 seven this year we cut way back how many 00:13:13.760 --> 00:13:21.079 did you have last year like 12 oh my goodness okay I thought you were 00:13:17.680 --> 00:13:22.600 joking yeah no we had like 12 so yeah we 00:13:21.079 --> 00:13:26.519 got a little sleep this year actually before we came so that was different 00:13:24.560 --> 00:13:30.600 that's yeah that's an the truck was completely packed the seven G gamer 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:36.880 system everything all the night before and then 00:13:33.760 --> 00:13:38.639 in the shop ready for a c okay so come 00:13:36.880 --> 00:13:43.880 come on come on in a little bit closer here guys I think we're all uh I think 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:47.000 we're so running into BS and stuff so 00:13:43.880 --> 00:13:49.760 this is Bob Stewart and Rod Rosenberg of 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:54.720 BS mods and you guys will probably recognize them if you ever watched that 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:58.079 mod 24 uh contest that Luke and I sort 00:13:54.720 --> 00:14:00.839 of MC slash hosted these guys guys 00:13:58.079 --> 00:14:06.399 Shuffle everyone over a little bit yeah these guys did end up winning the thing 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:08.480 but uh they do far more than just build 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:13.279 you know white and green themed machines around the gtx980 and I'd love to hear 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:17.680 from you guys what has been the highlight of the show for you so far you 00:14:15.839 --> 00:14:25.360 know we spent a lot of time looking at cases surprisingly yeah really um 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:26.959 surprising cases yeah fasc so a couple 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:32.120 cases that we want to see right away what's inwin doing because they do some 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:33.120 pretty remarkable stuff uhhuh signature 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:38.079 and what not they do anything interesting this year a boat that's not 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:44.959 England that was so enwin's got a brand new 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:49.680 um what is the name the Signature Series yeah I don't remember it uh it's 00:14:46.920 --> 00:14:54.959 actually an H frame H frame hame yeah it's the H frame series whatever and you 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:57.160 know remarkable lighting and a custom 00:14:54.959 --> 00:15:02.680 power supply size oh yeah yeah a custom power supply and a window power Supply 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:05.800 yeah with lights lit power supply yeah 00:15:02.680 --> 00:15:07.320 uh it's it's the same idea as the towel 00:15:05.800 --> 00:15:11.839 where if the lights on the inside of the power supply are not on it looks like a 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:14.600 mirror but when the light is on you can see on the inside so you can see all the 00:15:13.199 --> 00:15:20.240 internal components to the power supply it's actually pretty sick and it's designed to it you can only get it if 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:24.639 you buy that case it's designed to go with that case so the aesthetic is the 00:15:22.040 --> 00:15:29.120 same which is great if the power supply ever fails in the future and you to 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:33.639 replace it it only fits in that case yeah that that's that's that's that's 00:15:30.959 --> 00:15:37.880 that seems like a good idea um what else have you guys seen on the 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:43.120 case side of things I mean honestly it's been pretty quiet from my perspective 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:47.279 well we saw some uh well there's you know every year there's new things 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:53.639 that's why we're here but um I think we saw the Deep cool Suite they had some 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:57.160 really unique things going on there um 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:59.519 and then Leon Lee with the Prototype 00:15:57.160 --> 00:16:02.920 builds of the yacht the boat you know and and so those were kind of cool too 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:07.680 we had some ideas when we saw those that we'd like to uh you know turn them into 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:12.319 battleships or you know just something cool but um I like the Coast Guard idea 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:15.720 yeah Coast Guard yeah you know maybe do Coast Guard theme you know there's a lot 00:16:14.079 --> 00:16:20.079 you could do with them really so those were pretty awesome yeah okay so uh here 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:25.199 squeeze in a bit more so you guys are sitting right at the table got people 00:16:21.880 --> 00:16:29.440 complaining sound is too low I'll just 00:16:25.199 --> 00:16:32.680 okay so these guys did us a huge huge 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:35.680 favor keep squeezing in squeeze squeeze 00:16:32.680 --> 00:16:39.160 all right okay these guys did us a huge 00:16:35.680 --> 00:16:42.519 favor because I am fairly certain that 00:16:39.160 --> 00:16:43.720 if we had shipped seven Gamers one CPU 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:50.440 down to Vegas we it was not going to get here in 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:54.480 one piece in fact uh one of their fellow 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:57.560 fellow modders Travis Jen had a system 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:59.920 completely destroyed in shipping 00:16:57.560 --> 00:17:04.400 incidentally a system system that was in the same case that we used for seven 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:09.280 Gamers one CPU like what were you saying boot marks yeah boot marks on the Box on 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:13.120 the box when they got it it had shoe marks all over it like somebody used it 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:17.919 as like a booster or something to climb up a wall or who knows what but it was 00:17:15.600 --> 00:17:23.439 destroyed on the very Stout Cas Labs case they've got the Pressed in uh 00:17:21.600 --> 00:17:28.079 pieces to allow the panels to attached and those ripped out and so panels are 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:34.000 tweaked motherboard tray bent just I mean total and a missing stick of memory 00:17:31.679 --> 00:17:39.760 gone not in the Box Not underneath the flaps of the Box not stuck to tape gone 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:45.720 it's great because our viewers give me so much crap for harping on case 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:50.440 manufacturers about packing material but you guys get it right oh you guys 00:17:48.280 --> 00:17:55.600 understand how important is the packing material when you decide to buy a case 00:17:52.600 --> 00:17:57.640 if you are having a system built in it 00:17:55.600 --> 00:18:01.840 before it is shipped to you yeah yeah shipping a loaded ch see no packing 00:17:59.760 --> 00:18:06.480 material seems to be designed for it well yeah the packing material is 00:18:03.080 --> 00:18:08.159 actually just made for the empty case 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:13.320 yeah so that's what it's designed for once it's been built if you you know do 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:17.120 ship it somewhere it's not designed for that extra weight so there's a chance 00:18:15.520 --> 00:18:22.679 something can happen so we usually try to build uh wooden crates and um that 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:26.720 fit that particular build you know and and that saved us although we've got 00:18:24.320 --> 00:18:31.120 some builds back that the wooden crate was uh taped together hoping that it 00:18:29.320 --> 00:18:35.480 would hold together so you know that stuff happens 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:43.720 so okay so I've been I've been meaning to ask you guys this 00:18:38.840 --> 00:18:46.200 um uh give me give me a score out of 10 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:49.840 oh oh I know it's coming oh on seven Gamers one CPU I want to know I want to 00:18:48.080 --> 00:18:56.120 know what you guys think 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:56.120 um on as an 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:03.559 overall you can decide you can decide I I no let's say on the physical build um 00:19:02.280 --> 00:19:07.520 the physical build give me a score out of 10 I I want I want I want you on a 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:12.240 thoughts how do I do can that camera pick up my face turning red right now 00:19:09.840 --> 00:19:16.280 it's like I don't know you go first R all right I think I'm going to go with 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:21.679 seven because a seven it's actually more generous than I was expecting okay the 00:19:18.280 --> 00:19:24.679 ssds were done well you know yeah it's 00:19:21.679 --> 00:19:26.400 double stick tape we love that stuff too 00:19:24.679 --> 00:19:32.400 but you've got the full window you got a nice display of a of a impressive array 00:19:28.919 --> 00:19:34.320 of ssds MH yeah you've got a theme that 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:40.760 runs throughout it's got paint it's got tubing it's got cables that all tie 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:45.360 together it's got fans custom fans I 00:19:40.760 --> 00:19:47.880 mean who who can't love those nocta fans 00:19:45.360 --> 00:19:54.640 so yeah yeah uh on who don't have the lus tech tips Edition one that's who 00:19:50.760 --> 00:19:56.440 yeah so I I think it was well done I 00:19:54.640 --> 00:20:00.640 would love hold on that's the next question okay okay so you you got to 00:19:59.120 --> 00:20:06.360 give me you got to give me a score too all right so I'm going to give you a 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:08.480 7.5 oh wow so are you just like are you 00:20:06.360 --> 00:20:13.080 basically kissing up at this point yeah yeah yeah no uh just for that half of an 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:17.640 extra brownie point you know so no actually uh that thing was really clean 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:21.679 you know we we are very particular with every build we do so we make sure that 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:26.360 all the wires are running correctly and super tight and shortened to the right 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:29.159 length and the you know uh stuff like that the one thing I could say that you 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:35.039 guys maybe should have done has added some lighting inside the case MH um so I 00:20:32.120 --> 00:20:38.640 didn't see that and um it was nice that you went with a two-tone so you had a 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:41.840 little bit of extra you know a little bit of extra flavor there so some 00:20:40.280 --> 00:20:46.600 different colors mixing it up a little bit that was good um but the layout was 00:20:44.120 --> 00:20:52.640 great everything it was just no actually you guys did a really nice job so um 00:20:49.320 --> 00:20:54.960 yeah I think 7.5 is probably right on 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:59.280 the money for for us I mean if you had one of our paint jobs you know of course 00:20:56.559 --> 00:21:05.159 the score would go way up there you know it's like no it was a great job brownie 00:21:01.679 --> 00:21:08.960 points motion got everything under 00:21:05.159 --> 00:21:11.080 control okay okay okay so I I can't take 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:19.400 credit for the extra half a point because I came to Luke and I said Luke 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:23.840 orange or black for the tubing and Luke 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:25.400 goes half and half and I'm like safe 00:21:23.840 --> 00:21:30.279 answer yeah well no I I I don't consider that a 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:34.400 safe answer I think black is a safe answer yeah for sure black would be the 00:21:32.360 --> 00:21:39.400 safest of the three choices with probably all orange being the most kind 00:21:37.080 --> 00:21:43.720 of out there but I kind of went no no no no pick one and he goes no you've got 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:48.559 the black and orange in the cabling you have to go black and orange in the tubing I'm like well hold on a second 00:21:46.120 --> 00:21:52.159 we've got we we've got other orange accents we've got the orange accents on 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:56.960 the fans you know what what about those orange accents is that enough he goes 00:21:54.320 --> 00:22:00.440 no well also because the fans were black and orange and the cables were black and 00:21:58.320 --> 00:22:04.520 orange and everything else was black and orange and wanted the tubing just to be 00:22:02.320 --> 00:22:08.200 do you guys ever along do you ever like just get along and like agree on 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:11.559 anything or is it always like we get along but we're like he's a car that's 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:16.600 driving right and I'm a car that's driving left so we just go B kind you're 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:20.720 just stuck there like you're kind of that's how we make progress yeah exactly 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:24.200 yeah you know other people would tell you you know you all got to drive in the 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:29.440 same direction we would tell you you just kind of like you know RAM up 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:34.960 against the guy next to you kind of it might not be as efficient but sometimes 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:39.520 you cinch on and then both Motors help no I actually don't think it that's 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:45.960 that's very very very good that I tried okay Rod what would you have done 00:22:42.360 --> 00:22:46.960 differently I gotta add the Hardline a 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:50.640 you really you're GNA you're going to rag on me about the Hardline you know 00:22:49.120 --> 00:22:55.480 but it was a great job with tubing and Hardline is not everything but with the 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:59.960 two CPUs and the fact that you've got that excellent seven-way block you know 00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:05.240 I just think the Hardline would have just put the build over the top okay so 00:23:02.760 --> 00:23:10.600 Hardline and lighting and then what do I get without OBS mods paint 00:23:07.600 --> 00:23:14.720 job oh without the paint 00:23:10.600 --> 00:23:18.840 job cu the paint job turns it up to 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:22.320 11 oh man I'd say 00:23:18.840 --> 00:23:25.360 uh Hardline and 00:23:22.320 --> 00:23:27.240 lighting I get I'd say an extra full 00:23:25.360 --> 00:23:32.600 point eight and a half eight and a half okay all right okay that's good to know 00:23:29.919 --> 00:23:37.000 I know what to strive for next time I am probably not going to end up doing 00:23:35.360 --> 00:23:41.000 Hardline anytime soon did you guys see my personal rig update yet I have not 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:48.720 seen it yet okay so that's over only over on vessel and you guys are going to 00:23:43.320 --> 00:23:51.720 cringe oh great so freaking hard on that 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:54.279 video because I went into it thinking 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:58.960 okay I'm doing Hardline tubing on this and I'm like like I get out the heat gun 00:23:56.120 --> 00:24:03.960 and I get out the the monsoon bending it and I get out the all the blocks and 00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:10.880 everything and I go and I put I put the uh GTX Titan X in the top and then I put 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:16.960 the Intel 750 SSD in another slot and I 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:19.159 go oh yeah hold on a second what is how 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:24.120 am I going to get a Bend between this full height card with a water block and 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:27.960 this half height card with a water block and not have the bottom card interfere 00:24:26.360 --> 00:24:32.840 with the bottom of the case when I try and get a right angle Bend out of it so 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:35.440 tell me so so so anyway so from there I 00:24:32.840 --> 00:24:40.399 go and I'm like okay we have to do soft tubing but I didn't account for this and 00:24:38.320 --> 00:24:44.600 so none of my fittings are going to are going to fit like this is a foru chassis 00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:47.760 it doesn't even have the same width as some some of some Tower chassis so when 00:24:46.159 --> 00:24:53.240 you're coming off the graphics card or and the uh so yeah so when 00:24:51.120 --> 00:24:59.480 you're coming off even the um even the reservoir I was having 00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:01.399 trouble with the bends right so so I end 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:05.399 up digging up these like you know remember that kind of rusty blood red 00:25:03.399 --> 00:25:09.960 that bits power had right I end up digging those out for a black and blue 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:14.399 themed build otherwise and I'm like okay I've got some 90s and some 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:20.520 45s like maybe maybe I can make this work and then finally I find a couple of 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:26.480 90 Silvers and I'm like okay maybe I'll just go with my ancient true Silvers the 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:28.360 the old silver play on I'm like oldies 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:34.600 but I believe they're goodies and that is exactly how old people think 00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:39.880 and and then I I I end up I end up actually using a heat G the heat gun to 00:25:37.159 --> 00:25:44.279 bend soft tubing right in order to get extra little twist to it so you end up 00:25:42.399 --> 00:25:48.240 with that weird angle coming out of the fitting kind of like this instead of 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:53.760 coming out straight and bending nicely but um you know you got I don't want to 00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:57.600 score from you guys on that all right yeah we'll we'll not do that if you want 00:25:55.399 --> 00:26:03.320 to watch the train wreck then go go ahead go ahead enjoy it's in my plans 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:05.960 yeah we will we will definitely no okay 00:26:03.320 --> 00:26:10.080 so the last thing here is uh this is something that we've kind of been kind 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:12.880 of been kicking around internally um and something that I know that you guys have 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:18.600 expressed interest in but I'd love to hear from the audience we have never 00:26:16.159 --> 00:26:23.520 done like whether it's uh whether it's like a tech Showdown style buildoff or 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:30.240 whether it's a scrapyard Wars we have never done anything like that with a 00:26:26.919 --> 00:26:30.240 Team Battle 00:26:31.679 --> 00:26:38.960 so we're formally inviting you guys to 00:26:34.679 --> 00:26:44.600 participate with us but we are going to 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:46.799 leave this up to the audience oh oh boy 00:26:44.600 --> 00:26:50.880 is this like a is this like a rap battle SL battle or is this just straight up 00:26:49.360 --> 00:26:55.240 the whole time it better be rap battle do you want to 00:26:53.080 --> 00:27:01.240 see me and Luke get destroyed by these guys cars 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:10.640 bumping or do you want to see Luke and I 00:27:06.320 --> 00:27:16.480 each pick who we think is the best of BS 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:19.200 mods oh oh wow and split the two dream 00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:25.080 teams and make them compete against each other oh man so I'm going to create a 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:27.720 Twitter pole here guys and uh yeah we 00:27:25.080 --> 00:27:31.520 we're we're going to do this you guys have you guys have been working on this 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:35.960 haven't you you just didn't pull that out of the hat which team the live 00:27:33.600 --> 00:27:42.159 decision was out of the Hat oh the team battle was not really okay okay so I'm 00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:46.640 I'm creating this so lonus and Luke versus BS mods oh well I guess you guys 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:55.559 are just BSM there you go or actually here no 00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:59.720 let's just do uh LMG versus BS mods 00:27:55.559 --> 00:28:01.159 or uh split the team 00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:04.679 okay all right all right let's let's tweet this let's tweet this puppy and 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:07.240 let's uh let's have a look at those at those results as they come in I will 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:11.159 share that link with you guys in the twitch chat here I need you all to vote 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:17.120 and I need you guys to be serious here okay because this could determine 00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:20.000 although I retain my veto Powers uh 00:28:17.120 --> 00:28:26.120 this this could determine how this is going to go down so in the meantime why 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:29.519 don't we go back to back to sort of the the regular Twitter boards here and see 00:28:27.919 --> 00:28:35.320 what you guys have submitted that you'd like us to talk about from the show so 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:39.519 oh man of course the the entire the entire Twitter feed is full of like team 00:28:37.399 --> 00:28:44.000 Team Battle scrapyard Wars team Team Battle Tech 00:28:40.679 --> 00:28:46.279 Showdown um okay so Jordan Leighton asks 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:50.559 what's up with the 8K stuff there at a certain point isn't more KS just useless 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:56.679 have you spent much time on the show do you see any of the 8K stuff I have seen zero okay have you guys seen any 8K 00:28:54.720 --> 00:29:02.679 stuff this year yeah we did see a couple what do you think if if you're going big 00:29:00.360 --> 00:29:09.720 I mean these huge displays you know 80 plus inches AK is cool but where do you 00:29:05.679 --> 00:29:12.080 get content no that's a you know yeah it 00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:16.679 those demos look so beautiful on these ultra thin screens and it's like okay I 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:22.760 don't think Dish Network's quite pump in AK well you just watch those demos and 00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:24.760 loop over and over and over I mean now 00:29:22.760 --> 00:29:28.559 I'm kind of offended by this to be perfectly honest because I'd like to 00:29:26.600 --> 00:29:33.519 point out to you guys that there are a lot of you know great YouTube creators 00:29:31.320 --> 00:29:39.559 out there okay sure making a lot of great content right and YouTube actually 00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:41.840 does support 8K at this time wow it 00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:46.399 doesn't look any better than you know a Blu-ray at 1080p because of the bit rate 00:29:45.159 --> 00:29:53.640 but I'm still going to sit here and be offended because that's the kind of guy I am you got your 8K camera he said I 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:58.679 didn't well I don't know you like a drama sign 00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:05.760 over yeah okay so so in response to Jordan my I mean my whole take on 8K is 00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:08.440 that unless you are unless we're talking 00:30:05.760 --> 00:30:14.760 about 8K displays that sit about this far in front of your face in a VR 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:19.039 headset I'm really not that interested 00:30:14.760 --> 00:30:21.720 because even 720p to 1080p I can really 00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:29.960 tell like that's that's that's very noticeable to me definitely but it's not 00:30:25.760 --> 00:30:33.640 like the jump from you know 480p to 720p 00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:38.360 either the difference between watching a 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:41.360 a DVD versus a 70 and 480 yeah yes so 00:30:38.360 --> 00:30:45.519 the difference between a 480p DVD and a 00:30:41.360 --> 00:30:48.080 720p video is huge the difference 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:51.840 between 720p and 1080p is definitely more enjoyable and I'm talking on like a 00:30:49.720 --> 00:31:01.000 55 in TV in a normal sized living room like what like what 90 99% of people are 00:30:56.919 --> 00:31:02.279 at or below right now and the jump from 00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:08.799 1080p to 4K is 00:31:04.399 --> 00:31:10.559 like oh yeah oh yeah I can see it but by 00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:14.000 the first you know three minutes of the movie that I'm watching I've completely 00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:19.399 forgotten about it yeah definitely because that's what movies are you know 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:25.880 watching a movie unless you're some kind of you know Cinema equipment buff like 00:31:22.399 --> 00:31:30.240 Brandon is not about the technique that 00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:33.279 they used to blah blah blah blah it's 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:35.799 and even for him it's not about the 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:40.440 resolution so the only people that care about that there's the guys that sit 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:44.320 down and watch a movie for the escapism and that's I think most people then 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:48.159 there's the guys that are getting into the techniques behind it and then 00:31:46.600 --> 00:31:53.399 there's the guys who are just straight Gearheads and just want to know that a 00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:58.440 higher number camera and more of those cameras was used to make it sorry they 00:31:55.480 --> 00:32:03.919 shot it in a 4K stereo 3D no that's not good enough we need 6K 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:08.200 stereo 3D I mean the reality of it is is one of the most popular digital cameras 00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:14.320 digital film cameras in Hollywood right now the Ari Alexa is a 2.5k camera that 00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:18.360 image is considered acceptable by Hollywood directors who are you know 00:32:16.760 --> 00:32:21.320 super easy to please with with the equipment that they use and super you 00:32:19.760 --> 00:32:26.639 know flexible and that stuff that's considered good enough for a movie 00:32:23.120 --> 00:32:30.440 theater and and I bet you didn't 00:32:26.639 --> 00:32:34.039 notice so so I'm personally not sold on 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:37.120 8K with that said I think that for for 00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:39.480 very very closely positioned displays uh 00:32:37.120 --> 00:32:43.880 particularly for VR it cannot come soon enough and I love that the displays are 00:32:41.919 --> 00:32:47.440 coming so that the display interface technology can catch up so that the 00:32:45.760 --> 00:32:50.720 content ecosystem can be built so it can become mainstream so people can demand 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:56.880 it and they can feel like oh if we make this then people will think we're a cool company I look forward to all that stuff 00:32:54.399 --> 00:32:59.799 but not for not so that I can have an 8K TV 00:32:58.760 --> 00:33:07.440 just so you guys know right now we're waiting for another update on the polls but currently it's 52% and 48% really 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:11.880 that's cool it was sitting 5050 for a long time currently it's 5248 currently 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:17.760 leaning towards LMG versus interesting a big 00:33:15.360 --> 00:33:23.279 Showdown you know we still got to remain friends after this so we got to make 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:23.279 sure it's like Mario Party man we cut 00:33:23.320 --> 00:33:29.559 ties uh Jordan also asked what happened in the ASUS Booth you seemed pretty 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:39.039 salty oh no no I I love those guys they're great guys uh no no salt no salt 00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:41.320 whatsoever I do not like going to shows 00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:46.559 and being shown something that people won't tell me what it is because I want 00:33:44.360 --> 00:33:54.519 to bring you guys the most complete information that I can but the only 00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:58.440 reason that laptop drove me so 00:33:54.519 --> 00:34:01.080 crazy was that it surprised me they were 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:06.399 doing something I didn't understand that form factor and that CPU should not have 00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:15.000 been running continuously without throttling and they were really 00:34:09.879 --> 00:34:15.000 smug they were super smug they were 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:24.079 like that was that was exactly the look on my face I asked about it and everyone 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:28.320 in the booth turned to me and went okay that's not quite how it went 00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:33.000 guarantee that going happen I wasn't salty but I was pushing them pretty hard 00:34:31.040 --> 00:34:38.480 including pressuring them publicly through the video to tell me what's up 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:40.520 so I could tell you guys they they 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:45.320 wouldn't they didn't and I can't tell you anything other than that that looks 00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:48.720 like a very impressive little 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:51.240 notebook um okay Luke your thoughts on 00:34:48.720 --> 00:34:54.879 egpu technology is it becoming viable for the average consumer now that we 00:34:52.720 --> 00:34:59.240 have USB 3.1 Thunderbolt uh I haven't actually seen 00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:06.520 many of those devices here I've literally seen zero g Gigabyte had one I 00:35:03.359 --> 00:35:08.440 did not see it or excuse me MSI MSI had 00:35:06.520 --> 00:35:11.880 one they didn't show it on their oh well was over on the system side you were 00:35:09.680 --> 00:35:16.079 focused on component over okay okay okay okay to be completely Fair I've seen 00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:19.960 none of the new ones so not very many then do you want me to do you want me to 00:35:18.040 --> 00:35:25.280 kind of like describe what what has were systems at the show so yeah okay so so I 00:35:22.040 --> 00:35:28.400 saw a couple of them I saw razer's core 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:30.160 which is quite small uh beautiful 00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:34.960 aluminum construction man did they ever nail that did you guys see it yes that 00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:41.119 very very nice how thick is that aluminum is that three four mil yeah 00:35:37.640 --> 00:35:43.800 probably probably 3 mil really really 00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:48.440 thick um and they've made it toolless so you can actually just pop out a handle 00:35:46.560 --> 00:35:52.680 you slide the whole thing out like it feels kind of like a like a server blade 00:35:51.040 --> 00:36:00.079 or something like you kind of Slide the whole thing out and you can change out the graphics card and shoot click back 00:35:56.319 --> 00:36:03.960 in like really really nice 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:06.440 um the one thing that's not ready yet is 00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:12.720 both ASUS and Razer are talking about hot plug okay hot plug PCI Express is 00:36:10.160 --> 00:36:18.119 not easy it's not simple it requires BIOS cooperation it requires driver 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:21.359 cooperation on both NVIDIA's side and 00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:24.160 Intel's side it is not simple and for 00:36:21.359 --> 00:36:29.839 both of them I basically yanked out the cords crashed the systems um and was 00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:34.720 like okay so it's not working yet and they're like no but by the time the 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:39.599 product comes and I think they're both looking at sort of the next two to four 00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:42.839 months time frame they're both expecting to have it working because that was one 00:36:41.200 --> 00:36:48.160 of the things that was kind of cluggy about the gs30 shadow MSI's uh like 00:36:46.160 --> 00:36:51.680 giant dock thing that their that their laptop went on top of was that you had 00:36:50.200 --> 00:36:56.920 to shut down the system in order to switch modes and then turn it back on 00:36:54.560 --> 00:37:02.880 MSI actually has a new dock so that's the third one that I saw this year which 00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:06.119 is not USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt so their 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:08.640 new dock is much Slimmer it's uh it's 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:12.040 much better looking but it still has that same connector so it's actually 00:37:10.040 --> 00:37:16.839 forward and backwards compatible is my understanding um and we'll work with 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:21.440 multiple different notebooks from their lineup their solution has a couple of 00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:26.920 advantages number one is that it's PCI e6x as if anyone really cares about that 00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:34.280 because the performance is not really a factor um PCIe 3.0 forx is just fine for 00:37:30.359 --> 00:37:38.359 an external GPU but they are sticking 00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:40.160 with that large like more than PCI 00:37:38.359 --> 00:37:44.319 e-shaped connector so that they can have additional devices that operate in the 00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:50.000 dock so that they can have that full bandwidth and they are willing to trade 00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:51.640 off the the ability to hot plug it 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:56.880 because I think from their perspective the user should not be hot plugging a 00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:59.560 GPU at this point in time so MSI who I 00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:03.920 considered a front runner in external graphics cards on 00:38:01.200 --> 00:38:09.079 laptops um back when we covered the gs30 shadow last year is kind of going well 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:14.079 hold on everybody let's slow down I don't think we're ready for this um 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:19.000 another thing that I really need to know before I can talk about how amazing this 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:25.560 is is what is interoperability going to look like uh Razer wasn't quite as Cy as 00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:31.200 ASUS about this where Razer said we're validating on the blade Ste 00:38:28.560 --> 00:38:37.240 and if it works on other stuff great ASUS is maybe thinking about locking it 00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:39.560 down wow so it would only work on at you 00:38:37.240 --> 00:38:46.960 know presumably an Rog but it would only work on an ASUS laptop with USB 3.1 and 00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:48.079 Thunderbolt 3 um msis is obviously 00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:53.640 completely proprietary and if it's tied down to 00:38:51.079 --> 00:39:00.440 this model of laptop or this brand of laptop then it takes away a lot of the a 00:38:56.960 --> 00:39:01.760 lot of the benefit of swappable Graphics 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:05.880 right which is that you can upgrade your system kind of Peace meal as you go hey 00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:09.319 I need more GPU horsepower now and then oh my GPU is actually still okay but 00:39:07.560 --> 00:39:13.560 maybe it's time for time to trade in the old laptop if that's not an option then 00:39:11.640 --> 00:39:19.680 I think that really hurts the solution with the final piece of the puzzle being 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:21.520 price no one is talking about it uh so 00:39:19.680 --> 00:39:28.319 Luke you remember back when we did that magma 3T thing right yeah yeah yeah uh 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:30.160 so we covered an old Thunderbolt like 00:39:28.319 --> 00:39:36.119 quite large like like the width of a shoe box thing um that actually accepted 00:39:32.839 --> 00:39:38.040 three addin cards and I I had understood 00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:41.560 because I was wrong um that it would work with graphics cards and that thing 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:49.240 was like $900 neither Razer norus would comment 00:39:45.640 --> 00:39:53.240 on price other than to I got kind of a 00:39:49.240 --> 00:39:56.359 vibe from men at Razer that the core 00:39:53.240 --> 00:40:00.000 should be less than that did you start 00:39:56.359 --> 00:40:03.400 at one and go is it two is it three is 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:05.800 it four no I I had a poor strategy going 00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:11.280 into it I started at that thing was $8.99 and he went okay it's not that 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:16.000 which actually doesn't even necessarily mean cheaper now that I think about 00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:19.920 it an update we're at almost 2,000 votes it's now 00:40:17.680 --> 00:40:24.480 5545 wow that's closer than I thought I thought everybody go straight up just 00:40:21.640 --> 00:40:30.599 like let's tear them apart you know really so they want to see LMG versus BS 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:32.839 mods R oh Bo very interesting we tried 00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:38.720 lus so they just want a good run they like to see me eat Humble Pie yeah I 00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:44.240 think uh oh man uh oh okay this question is from 00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:51.599 Kylie kefir when can we get the WAN hoodies that I am wearing by the way uh 00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:54.240 all LMG staff are now equipped with uh 00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:58.480 with the with the Linus Tech tips W hoodies we actually had them bring a few 00:40:56.040 --> 00:41:02.760 early samples to the show so we could wear them in the videos and wear them 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:08.440 out about as kind of like a team uniform thank you thank you hoodie model 3 um oh 00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:12.040 that's straight up Gangster right there V do do you know when the shipments 00:41:10.240 --> 00:41:18.240 arrive like do we know I'm getting I'm getting the old um so it's better to 00:41:15.560 --> 00:41:22.839 promise nothing and deliver something eventually than to promise a date and 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:28.440 even deliver something eventually after that date so we're going to go with Deno 00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:34.839 uh we are definitely have more Noctua fans in a couple of months and if the 00:41:31.839 --> 00:41:37.160 WAN hoodie which by the way like I 00:41:34.839 --> 00:41:40.240 apologize but it was expensive to make and there's a lot of logistics that goes 00:41:38.680 --> 00:41:44.160 into it there's margins for the resellers uh the L hoodie is going to be 00:41:42.560 --> 00:41:50.880 $99 us if the WAN hoodie is a success for us 00:41:47.680 --> 00:41:52.720 I will promise that you guys will see 00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:57.520 more stuff like this in the future from us because we think there's really a lot 00:41:54.640 --> 00:42:01.640 more to to our merch than just just printing a logo on a T-shirt and we want 00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:05.880 to really explore some of the other cool ideas that especially edel has for for 00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:09.119 stuff that we can do have you guys like this yet it looks I was just admiring it 00:42:07.520 --> 00:42:15.160 it looks pretty high quality good thread count you know I mean Egyptian cotton 00:42:12.160 --> 00:42:18.800 yeah right what is this what is this 00:42:15.160 --> 00:42:21.079 silk Chinese silk sheets yeah 00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:25.440 right um Luke do you want to talk about the HTC Vive the Vive made a lot of big 00:42:24.240 --> 00:42:30.720 changes I haven't actually been able to meet with HTC yet okay but you tried it 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:34.359 though right I have tried it in the paint application which is actually 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:38.800 actually a good demo I know it sounds boring but the paint application you get 00:42:36.160 --> 00:42:44.599 to move around in 3D space and basically you have uh what a brush ESS you can 00:42:42.200 --> 00:42:49.680 change different things you done have you tried the new Vibe on it yeah yeah 00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:53.160 what did you guys think I love it it's he spent awesome a long time I mean he 00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:57.839 spends a lot of time in a paint booth already but I had some fun I was like 00:42:55.480 --> 00:43:03.040 the virtual paint booth Bob was like gone I created a whole like Campground 00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:04.599 with like grass and a tree and fire and 00:43:03.040 --> 00:43:08.880 and a sign and all kinds of stuff so they they give you crazy effects and stuff the reason why I think the paint 00:43:07.240 --> 00:43:11.800 demo is actually really good for a Vive and the reason why a lot of people give 00:43:10.240 --> 00:43:16.280 the paint demo is because you can move around in 3D space with the being spaced 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:19.280 out and you can paint wherever you want with the controllers so like you said 00:43:17.839 --> 00:43:23.319 make a campground you could probably walk through the camp absolutely it's 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:27.160 just like as if you could spray paint into the air and have it stick to the 00:43:25.520 --> 00:43:31.680 air right where it is and just then you can just move all around andain just 00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:34.920 crazy basically yeah they've made some changes this is 00:43:33.680 --> 00:43:40.400 the part that I don't know about cuz I hav't met with them yet there's now a camera on the front of the Vive right 00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:44.200 heard about that I'm not entirely sure what the intention for that is there's a 00:43:42.640 --> 00:43:47.839 lot of different ideas people are throwing around one of them is like 00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:51.760 literally so if someone calls you on your computer you could like pass 00:43:49.680 --> 00:43:54.680 through and then see what's going on or if you're still worried about the bounds 00:43:53.160 --> 00:43:59.040 of the sensors and you're like I really feel like I'm going to run into something you could pass through and 00:43:56.599 --> 00:44:03.280 check you without taking it off having to realign and maybe you smudged a lens 00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:07.319 with your oily hair and now you have to clean it or something like that CRA it's 00:44:05.200 --> 00:44:11.599 genuinely annoying so it's may be nice for a pass through the controllers 00:44:09.520 --> 00:44:17.359 though I don't know what's going on with the controllers before the controllers 00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:19.760 were a like touchpad on the top fa 00:44:17.359 --> 00:44:24.119 standard setup now it's still a touchpad but there's this ring yeah and I have no 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:27.720 idea what the ring is about I'm wondering if it's trying to up the 00:44:26.680 --> 00:44:32.960 accurac when you're on til I felt like when you twisted it that might be what it was for 00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:37.079 and it seemed to be accurate that way too it did seem to be very accurate and 00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:41.319 it had less jumping and disconnects than the previous controllers did very smooth 00:44:38.839 --> 00:44:44.160 but like that's a crazy design so I don't know I still need to meet with HTC 00:44:43.240 --> 00:44:50.040 to figure out what the heck they're doing once the helmet's on though you don't you don't see it so you know see 00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:54.319 your things you know so it feels like the I'm just wondering uh I don't think 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.559 it's a bad thing I'm just wondering why they decided to do it and it seems to be 00:44:56.119 --> 00:45:00.760 more accurate so that's great I'm just wondering what the theory behind it is 00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:05.319 or if that's all there is there might be something more I don't really worry about that too much cuz I figure you 00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:10.440 know you already look weird anyway walking around with something on your head so you know what what does it 00:45:08.160 --> 00:45:13.960 matter at that point but no I'm sure there's a reason for it but one of the 00:45:11.680 --> 00:45:18.400 biggest things I noticed here though was um a lot of people have been fighting 00:45:15.680 --> 00:45:21.720 about exclusives over the VR headsets I haven't weighed in that a ton because 00:45:20.359 --> 00:45:26.319 they're not out yet we're not seeing what's going on I think I kind of really 00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:31.359 get it now the demos that you're seeing that are really good good on the Vive 00:45:28.520 --> 00:45:34.480 right even that aren't exclusive are not the demos that you're seeing that are 00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:37.440 really good on the Oculus they're different strengths they're better at 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:40.079 different things and I don't even really care about the exclusives a lot of those 00:45:39.040 --> 00:45:45.920 games I wouldn't want to play on the other one anyways right I don't know so 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:50.680 okay I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm GNA cut this topic in half uh with a shout out 00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:57.040 for Squarespace for allowing us to be here at CES 2016 guys if you want to 00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:04.680 uh sorry I'm trying to figure out where seus is going bye seus anyways build it 00:46:02.839 --> 00:46:08.880 beautiful so if you want to build it beautiful head over to squarespace.com 00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:13.280 Linus use offer code Linus and you can start building your website today 00:46:10.720 --> 00:46:17.400 they've got a two-e trial for free and you can play around with all their tools 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:20.960 you don't have to be a techie uh you can just be someone who's like oh yeah I 00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:23.720 like that template oh yeah I like these pictures I'm going to put these pictures 00:46:22.319 --> 00:46:28.960 onto that template I'm going to arrange them like this and whether it's a blog 00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:34.599 site whether it's a store or whether it's a portfolio like you know if you 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:38.480 build custom computer cases say for example and you just wanted a simple 00:46:36.240 --> 00:46:43.040 TurnKey solution hey you know we're done a rig snap snap snap here's a gallery 00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:47.359 boom done Squarespace is a great solution for all those kinds of things 00:46:46.040 --> 00:46:53.200 if you buy a whole year of Squarespace at a time you will actually get your domain name thrown in for free for the 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:55.920 first year and if you use offer code Linus which is linked in the video 00:46:54.520 --> 00:47:02.880 description if you're watching this on YouTube or vessel then you can get 10% 00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:05.599 off your first purchase on Squarespace 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:11.040 build it beautiful thank you Luke no so let's go back to um the followup 00:47:08.200 --> 00:47:18.760 question this one is actually from uh 10day tende day Dongo that cannot be a 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:21.800 real name and if it is cool man 00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:24.240 um so so you just said you left off as a 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:28.800 refresher you left off saying the excl the exclusive titles here I wouldn't 00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:34.160 necessarily even want to play here so then what I gather from that is that 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:38.480 much like many hardcore console Gamers would obviously own a Wii U a 00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:42.880 PlayStation 4 and an Xbox One hold on I'm going somewhere with this 00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:49.640 okay is your and it's a two-part question is your expectation that you 00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:51.920 and other hardcore VR enthusiasts are 00:47:49.640 --> 00:47:59.880 just going to have to Pony up and buy both or or all and part two of the 00:47:56.440 --> 00:48:01.800 question is so let's talk then about how 00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:05.359 much that's going to cost now that we know the price of the Oculus Rift and 00:48:03.640 --> 00:48:08.599 there there's interesting debate on the price of the Oculus Rift and I might not 00:48:07.240 --> 00:48:12.280 be on the side that everyone necessarily thinks I'm on I'm not even really on a 00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:17.440 side I think there's Fair Arguments for both 00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:19.640 um yes and no especially looking at the 00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:23.359 New York apartment argument which is people don't have as much space as they 00:48:21.160 --> 00:48:27.920 used to wherever you happen to be but especially in a New York apartment the 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:32.839 Vive is actually really difficult sell I've seen very awesome demos on the Vive 00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:37.520 like incredible demos the Everest demo that NVIDIA has been showing off like 00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:40.920 super cool if you can get a setup in your house where you have like an ice 00:48:38.680 --> 00:48:45.359 box behind a fan and you wear like a parka and you do the Everest demo no 00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:50.880 seriously it's awesome because they used actual footage from Everest it's it's 00:48:48.200 --> 00:48:54.760 not like a random some guy tried to see how accurately he could recreate it like 00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:58.200 you're on Everest and it's the high really high resolution screen it's it's 00:48:56.319 --> 00:49:02.119 amazing but you need a lot of space for that so 00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:08.960 I don't think the adoption is going to be as high and I think a lot of it going to come down to someone going oh I have 00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:13.040 the space to be able to get a Vive maybe I'm going to do that or someone going I 00:49:11.520 --> 00:49:17.920 kind of need a seated experience that just has a little sensor in front of me 00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:21.200 I'm going to get a rift I and then some people being like YOLO I have enough 00:49:19.799 --> 00:49:24.960 space and gratuitous amounts of money I'm going to buy both I think buying 00:49:23.160 --> 00:49:28.680 both and have a gaming rig having a gaming rig that's fast enough is going 00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:32.079 to be a little bit of a hard sell for the average person because that's a lot 00:49:30.359 --> 00:49:37.559 of money because I don't see the Vive being that much cheaper or cheaper at 00:49:34.640 --> 00:49:42.160 all I don't know okay so then now that you've said that you don't see the Vive 00:49:39.359 --> 00:49:46.920 being cheaper talk about talk about 599 $599 is expensive and I know Oculus 00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:50.359 talked early on about how they're trying to not make like they're they're not 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:58.400 going into to make huge amounts of money on the headset and I know the development kits were 00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:59.640 cheaper but if you line them all up and 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:03.760 you look at the years that they've been out for I know it's been a while since 00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:08.559 development kit 1 but you pick up development kit one and it feels like 00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:13.359 crap it feels clunky the screen is terrible Nothing fits very well the 00:50:10.720 --> 00:50:18.920 velcro straps are like basically literally from a ski mask like 00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:22.920 it's the bomb cost isn't that high you go to DK2 it steps up a lot it gets a 00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:29.480 lot better but there's still some problems there's still a bit of weight there uh the foam is nah there 's a lot 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:33.000 of n all over the place you get to Consumer version one the foam is 00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:36.760 replaceable so that after you have it for a long time if you're sweating into 00:50:34.799 --> 00:50:41.520 it or whatever it's not gross the the materials are really good they feel very 00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:45.920 solid and they're very light which is an expensive thing to do the sensors in it 00:50:43.640 --> 00:50:49.119 are very accurate it's extremely smooth the screen looks great lately 00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:52.720 everything's really good they have a new sensor stand which is fantastic all that 00:50:51.520 --> 00:50:56.440 stuff is great people are complaining about the included controller the Xbox 00:50:54.720 --> 00:50:59.599 controller not a huge fan about that either either I don't really care I 00:50:58.319 --> 00:51:04.640 would rather be able to just buy that on its own they're uh complaining about the 00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:08.760 included Oculus controller something Palmer has said and I do believe him 00:51:06.520 --> 00:51:13.319 however is that those didn't even massively impact the cost of the setup 00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:18.119 and they aren't making a ton of it on it and everything that's inside the headset 00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:22.680 is really expensive now I'm going to believe that I'm going to jump in and 00:51:19.680 --> 00:51:25.480 say yes the headset is really expensive 00:51:22.680 --> 00:51:29.720 but one thing I wish it was cheaper too one thing that bothers me a little bit 00:51:27.680 --> 00:51:34.799 is that well not bothers me a little bit but I guess it's sort of kind of like I 00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:41.400 told you so you you guys had this coming I mean Oculus For Better or For Worse 00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:42.760 had expectations out there that it was 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:49.160 going to cost in the neighborhood if I think we can all agree we all thought it was going to be $250 to 00:51:45.640 --> 00:51:52.160 $400 was that kind of the the perception 00:51:49.160 --> 00:51:55.599 I was I would probably reach 300 or 450 00:51:52.160 --> 00:51:56.880 was my expectation so like yeah I two I 00:51:55.599 --> 00:52:02.559 was going to say that but then I figure some people are probably pretty optimistic sure yeah yeah yeah so from 00:52:00.319 --> 00:52:05.599 the kickstarter campaign and you know from kind of the way that was structured 00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:14.119 and from the way that they talked and the way that they never corrected anybody yeah and I think they and then 00:52:10.839 --> 00:52:15.359 yeah even worse that was the expectation 00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:22.599 that was kind of the number in the backs of people's heads for Better or For Worse then when the Facebook acquisition 00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:25.119 happened a lot of the justification a 00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:29.880 lot of the reason we're doing this was to make it more affordable 00:52:27.040 --> 00:52:35.079 for everyone so I think people were kind of running around thinking oh well that 00:52:32.160 --> 00:52:39.319 perception I had before well maybe now that that Facebook's basically dumping 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:43.040 buckets of cash into this maybe they're just going to sell them all at a you 00:52:40.680 --> 00:52:49.280 know a $100 loss maybe I can pick up an Oculus Rift for for $199 by the time it 00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:54.079 launches and I think even though they never confirmed that either the fact 00:52:52.160 --> 00:52:58.119 that they let us think something without coming out and saying look it's going to be over $500 because they wanted the 00:52:56.839 --> 00:53:01.799 hype train they wanted people to at least talk about it cuz I know a lot of 00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:06.520 people who won't talk about something that costs more than $500 because it 00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:11.319 might as well be a Bentley for them like it's true though it's not 00:53:08.040 --> 00:53:14.040 affordable um and I think they let that 00:53:11.319 --> 00:53:17.760 happen I think they let that perception remain and they used that PR line about 00:53:16.520 --> 00:53:22.640 the Facebook acquisition which I don't think anyone's really upset about anymore in order to to smooth things 00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:28.200 over with the community and then they Dro this bomb on the community oh by the 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:30.760 way it's $600 which in Canadian Rupees 00:53:28.200 --> 00:53:35.880 after taxes is going to be about $1,000 yeah seriously not taxes and shipping 00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:42.319 it's about a grand it will cost almost as much as a VR capable gaming PC wow 00:53:40.240 --> 00:53:46.799 almost as much yeah you do need a lot of power side note super interested into 00:53:45.160 --> 00:53:51.720 benchmarking for VR that's going to be actually really fun but yeah it's I 00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:57.839 can't disagree with any of that I'm actually not that surprised by its price once I tried on the consumer version one 00:53:55.760 --> 00:54:01.640 the first time I immediately knew it was going to be way more expensive they 00:53:59.520 --> 00:54:04.680 ditched certain things and I think this actually came with it's an interesting 00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:09.160 point that you talked about the Facebook acquisition I think this came with the 00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:14.760 Facebook acquisition but later on I think Facebook wasn't necessarily okay 00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:16.720 with the idea of ski goggle straps right 00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:20.200 because they're super not ski goggle straps anymore there's this thing that 00:54:19.040 --> 00:54:24.839 kind of sits on the back of your head and it's great and the velcro straps are way more high quality now you don't get 00:54:23.319 --> 00:54:31.400 your hair stuck in them really anymore like the fit and finish has jumped 00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:33.799 massive amounts and in talking to people 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:38.440 from Oculus you point at something and they're like yeah that material was 00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:43.079 really expensive like I don't think they necessarily wanted this to get really 00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:46.960 expensive but Facebook was probably going this needs to be social this needs 00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:51.280 to be comfortable to wear Financial analysts are looking at I went to vrx 00:54:49.200 --> 00:54:56.520 financial analysts are looking at this going you need to be able to come home 00:54:54.000 --> 00:55:01.079 and play a game for 6 hours constantly on this thing and then go to bed fit and 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:06.200 finish Comfort wearability went through the roof and cost materials went through 00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:07.880 the roof right it happened to the Vive 00:55:06.200 --> 00:55:11.960 too the new version of the Vive that came out here is way more comfortable 00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:16.799 than it used to be is way more uh way less rickety than it used to be all the 00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:20.039 stuff in the VR space feels way more solid and feels way more expensive 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:25.319 although I'm thinking that it might be okay for 00:55:22.680 --> 00:55:33.200 the Target customer base before you stab me um it's extremely hard to run a game 00:55:29.520 --> 00:55:37.119 at acceptable rates for VR and before 00:55:33.200 --> 00:55:39.200 you say like oh my computer can run 00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:43.920 games at 90fps you're going to want really high 00:55:41.200 --> 00:55:47.839 settings and you need 90 FPS to be like your 00:55:45.240 --> 00:55:52.319 minimum it's going to be really hard you're going to need a need a badass rig 00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:58.440 to be able to run this so I don't really see that many people going like H I'm 00:55:55.839 --> 00:56:02.680 going to spend this much money on my computer in order to run VR when if the 00:56:00.799 --> 00:56:07.319 VR headset was 200 bucks cheaper they would be able to do it right so you're 00:56:05.640 --> 00:56:12.960 saying anyone who's got the disposable income to build a dual 980 TI rig can 00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:16.119 afford an Oculus Rift or if someone has that amount of disposable income and 00:56:14.319 --> 00:56:22.160 they were going to buy a rift I don't see $200 more being that difficult for 00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:24.920 them I see $200 more being impossible 00:56:22.160 --> 00:56:31.160 for a lot of people right but I think those people might not be having 980 TI 00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:34.520 rigs multiple 980ti rigs right maybe they do I don't know this is random 00:56:33.160 --> 00:56:39.240 speculation that I have the twitch shot is probably murdering me right now no 00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:44.400 actually okay I'm quite surprised it's crazy the overall cost of a rig when you 00:56:41.319 --> 00:56:46.039 talk about it's really high it's really 00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:50.480 high and VR and that's the thing right now monitors are exploding people are 00:56:47.799 --> 00:56:56.680 looking at the the that PG monitor that runs at 165 HZ it's over a grand in 00:56:53.200 --> 00:56:59.200 Canada um so if you're if you compare 00:56:56.680 --> 00:57:03.400 that ultrawide experience to maybe I don't go Ultra wide and I go VR so then 00:57:01.720 --> 00:57:07.880 tell me this okay so I think we can probably turning into the VR show um and 00:57:06.160 --> 00:57:12.240 it is kind of a big deal at CES this year like the VR section of the show 00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:17.760 floor is like everywhere okay just kind of try and move through here um so so so 00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:23.119 there's various stages of adoption right now I think at 00:57:20.160 --> 00:57:27.839 $600 where it really has zero functionality outside of games and Tech 00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:30.799 demos yeah we're talking like the same people who are running around buying 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:34.160 Google Glass and this this this is something that lonus and I talk used to 00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:39.200 talk about more but always talk about on the L show which is maybe you don't buy 00:57:36.319 --> 00:57:44.000 version one yes version one isn't the killer version version one is the like 00:57:41.640 --> 00:57:47.640 the people that are crazy about it will probably go for it and have probably 00:57:45.720 --> 00:57:52.119 been planning to be going for it for a while and then later and this is again 00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:55.319 there was this crazy financial analyst that was at vrx and it was really 00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:59.880 interesting to hear him talk he was saying he put up some price ranges he 00:57:57.839 --> 00:58:05.480 said if it's over $1,000 he doesn't think it's going to make it if it's high 00:58:02.680 --> 00:58:09.440 range within $1,000 he thinks there will be hardcore adapters or adopters and 00:58:07.799 --> 00:58:13.039 hopefully the industry can push forward which is interesting because that looks 00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:18.079 like exactly what just happened um if it's low like under 500 bucks he thinks 00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:24.319 it's going to be really good um but he's not sure if that's possible and once you 00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:25.760 get to like $100 for a capable one no 00:58:24.319 --> 00:58:30.960 see but this is going to be way down the line once you're able to buy one of these for 100s and it's still a really 00:58:28.680 --> 00:58:37.200 good experience that's when it explodes so I think there's a stage in between 00:58:33.520 --> 00:58:38.559 and that's when it still costs you know 00:58:37.200 --> 00:58:45.200 $600 to $1,000 but it's functional Beyond just 00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:50.640 gaming and and Tech demos and even social interaction like I think if they 00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:54.319 can and stuff we were talking about no what I'm talking about actually is if 00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:59.720 cuz we we talk about the ultra wide monitors and how many of those moving at 00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:03.280 $700 or or you look back at any development in monitor technology let's 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:08.200 let's treat it like a monitor for a second whether it's 1440p uh you know 27 00:59:06.680 --> 00:59:14.720 in when that happened or whether it's Ultra wide now or whether it's 4K that 00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:17.599 six to $700 price point is actually 00:59:14.720 --> 00:59:23.119 palatable for Creative Professionals for high-end consumers and for people who 00:59:20.319 --> 00:59:26.559 who like shiny toys but they do these aren't the people also who are just like 00:59:25.720 --> 00:59:32.240 you know whatever so once it has a functionality 00:59:29.240 --> 00:59:33.880 Beyond games then I think we can talk 00:59:32.240 --> 00:59:38.599 and if they get the resolution high enough it can be a virtual monitor 00:59:37.160 --> 00:59:42.400 because they they have the virtual monitor idea but you're you're right the 00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:45.760 the resolution isn't there yet yeah and this is again the maybe the next version 00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:51.000 thing so what you're saying is if it's good enough to be like a Workhorse if I 00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:56.200 don't need to buy it on top of my ultra wide for productivity now you've got my 00:59:53.680 --> 00:59:59.280 attention especially like let's say I'm a day trader for example you get the 00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:05.039 resolution high enough those guys can never have enough monitors those guys if 01:00:01.839 --> 01:00:07.520 they can have virtual monitor space all 01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:11.319 around New York apartment right well you can set up that essentially the the 01:00:09.359 --> 01:00:14.880 crazy Star Wars computer thing that everyone loves which is the monitors in 01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:18.400 a complete circle around them you could just spin around in your chair yes we 01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:22.720 have to figure out cables and stuff but people like orus at Gigabyte are working 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:26.520 on that resolution has to be better but if you can deliver that then I think 01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:31.799 that opens up that opens up an in between stage where it can still be very 01:00:28.839 --> 01:00:35.520 expensive but if it does more than just you know what I do for you know two 01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:41.960 hours on a Friday night after my kids go to bed then I think you're able to 01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:43.640 access a lot more people and to be fair 01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:48.000 the financial analyst that was talking opened up with I know nothing about VR 01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:51.599 right but I do a lot of financial analysis on the tech Bas so he doesn't 01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:56.920 know about the potential for those things and that's a really interesting 01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:59.240 bit of input yeah yeah so I don't know 01:00:56.920 --> 01:01:03.200 I'm I'm not 100% against to the cost I'm not happy that it's a th000 Canadian 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:09.839 dollars to get one yeah are you buying one uh Probably sounds like it no just 01:01:07.160 --> 01:01:14.000 wasn't happen it must be I mean I have to because if we're going to Benchmark 01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:17.960 games in VR like you already bought the lineus Media Group one right so L 01:01:16.359 --> 01:01:21.359 unforunately missed the first shipping window that is a shame okay I know we 01:01:20.160 --> 01:01:25.480 had some issues with the credit card anyway we did that's unfortunately what 01:01:23.240 --> 01:01:29.720 caused the Miss in the shipping window so minus Media Group is going to have 01:01:27.799 --> 01:01:34.359 one we are going to be bringing you guys a proper formal review um as soon as we 01:01:33.359 --> 01:01:38.720 possibly can now that we have a PR contact maybe 01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:43.240 we can get at least at the very least maybe we can get our order bumped yeah 01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:46.839 no I I'm planning on talking to him about that I still haven't received a 01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:51.119 message probably tomorrow I'm expecting so so the sooner we can get on that the 01:01:48.319 --> 01:01:54.480 better and we are going to bring you gaming 01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:59.680 benchmarks and I have some ideas for those they won't just be done the same 01:01:56.359 --> 01:02:01.599 way we do them now yeah yeah so uh so so 01:01:59.680 --> 01:02:06.720 that's done but in terms of you know what I'm 01:02:03.839 --> 01:02:11.079 out what I'm not buying one oh yeah I didn't expect you to I was going to oh 01:02:08.799 --> 01:02:18.920 okay when I thought it was $299 to 399 us a few things changed number one is 01:02:14.319 --> 01:02:22.400 the pric is sort of 60% to double what I 01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:24.079 or 6 166% to 200% of what I thought it 01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:27.000 was going to be so that's number one number two is the Canadian dollar is 01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:32.720 falling about 25% since that time adding another 01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:37.440 couple of hundred to the cost I haven't ordered one yet and that's actually 01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:43.240 strictly because of the Canadian dollar so so I'm so I'm out um you know I might 01:02:40.240 --> 01:02:45.319 tool around with it at work but that's a 01:02:43.240 --> 01:02:50.720 work device that sits at work that's for us to do work on um and I will not own 01:02:48.680 --> 01:02:54.119 one personally because I just am not in a position right now where that makes 01:02:52.640 --> 01:03:00.640 sense for me so you know what we need to hear from 01:02:58.160 --> 01:03:04.839 you guys yeah we need to do we need to do another Twitter poll yeah so there's 01:03:02.799 --> 01:03:10.319 there's actually this is like this is a two-part this is a two-part answer right 01:03:06.799 --> 01:03:13.480 here so let's let's get this poll going 01:03:10.319 --> 01:03:21.119 oculus rift at 01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:23.480 $600 so was was going okay um okay was 01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:26.319 going to buy they don't give you a lot of 01:03:24.319 --> 01:03:32.799 characters still no ah okay we're just no I'm just going 01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:35.799 to do this really simple so was 01:03:32.799 --> 01:03:38.319 still am 01:03:35.799 --> 01:03:45.119 okay was not 01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:48.680 anymore and uh let's go with um wasn't 01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:52.559 and then uh am now and one thing that I 01:03:48.680 --> 01:03:55.400 want to add here is that um there are a 01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:59.799 number of demos that almost no one has tried 01:03:56.559 --> 01:04:02.200 which are flat out insanely 01:03:59.799 --> 01:04:06.640 incredible um one that I was able to try at NVIDIA last night and I don't think 01:04:04.799 --> 01:04:11.599 has been shown very much this one's not the like no one who's tried this um but 01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:17.079 bullet train have you guys played bullet train no I haven't bullet train is a 01:04:13.279 --> 01:04:20.799 game made by epic and it's a standing 01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:22.079 experience for Oculus it's a standing in 01:04:20.799 --> 01:04:26.839 pivot experience you're not supposed to walk around um it's based on 01:04:24.200 --> 01:04:32.079 teleportation slow down of time and firefights wow you you teleport around 01:04:30.160 --> 01:04:35.720 to different areas where there are firearms that you can pick up and say 01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:39.559 it's a shotgun you have to actually pump it um if it's a rifle it's really 01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:44.200 inaccurate unless you hold it with both hands and you have to like actually position your hands properly uh if you 01:04:42.680 --> 01:04:48.000 slow down time you can grab bullets out of the air and throw them back at people 01:04:46.119 --> 01:04:51.720 the one boss that I was able to fight I have to catch a missile out of the air 01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:54.799 and redirect it and then and like it's going to be at a weird angle and you 01:04:52.839 --> 01:04:59.559 have to like and then redirect it and shoot it back at them 01:04:56.640 --> 01:05:04.839 incredibly fun W right and like there's I'm finally starting to see games other 01:05:01.720 --> 01:05:08.480 than Valkyrie that are like wow I really 01:05:04.839 --> 01:05:11.520 want to play that so yeah and it does 01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:12.920 include two games um a lot of consoles 01:05:11.520 --> 01:05:17.960 when they first come out won't include a game and then later will include a game you get Lucky's tail and you get 01:05:16.160 --> 01:05:22.960 Valkyrie with it and basically everyone's going to buy Valkyrie so you 01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:27.480 can take some out of the costs if you consider that cuz buying an buying a 01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:31.559 rift and not buy a game makes no sense right um and buying a rift and not 01:05:29.319 --> 01:05:37.319 buying Valkyrie for most people I kind of think makes no sense okay so uh I 01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:41.920 want to do the results of the LMG versus BS mods or split the teams thing first 01:05:39.720 --> 01:05:46.559 so uh 60% of you are saying it's going to be LMG versus BS mods so unless I 01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:51.160 decide to veto it because I'm like ah I don't want to lose that badly um that 01:05:49.839 --> 01:05:54.799 looks like the route we're going to go timeline TBD these guys are really busy 01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:58.520 we're really busy we got to make sure it works for everyone 01:05:56.480 --> 01:06:01.599 now let's have a look at the results for did you ask them before the show at all 01:06:00.359 --> 01:06:06.359 no we've T we've talked to them about the possibilities very I've been like 01:06:03.720 --> 01:06:09.799 very light pitches over a while but yeah you guys were kind of like hinting 01:06:07.839 --> 01:06:14.119 little things but uh yeah the opportunity you guys are down right well 01:06:11.359 --> 01:06:17.359 you know we can uh we'll come up with a handicap of some kind you know I mean 01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:21.400 we'll do like maybe uh I think we're going to ride hoverboards well yeah yeah 01:06:20.200 --> 01:06:25.640 moding or something on yeah something like that 01:06:24.079 --> 01:06:29.599 yeah mod the computer with your feet only yeah that might be fair well I 01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:34.839 could like while if I'm doing some paint I could put a blindfold on Rod can 01:06:31.520 --> 01:06:36.079 direct me with the gun and then you know 01:06:34.839 --> 01:06:40.880 I mean we'll just we'll work something out to help you guys out a little bit 01:06:38.520 --> 01:06:49.000 okay so um much two minutes so here's the final 01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:52.200 answer then we've got 11% of you a mere 01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:55.240 11% that say you intended to buy the 01:06:52.200 --> 01:06:56.319 rift and you still intend to buy the 01:06:55.240 --> 01:07:04.200 rift we've got the page taking a little while to load I wanted to refresh it there we 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:07.039 go we've got 33% of you in the lonus 01:07:04.200 --> 01:07:11.480 camp you intended to buy one you are not buying one anymore we've got 3% of you 01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:16.680 that have changed your minds the other way you didn't intend to buy one but now 01:07:13.680 --> 01:07:18.599 you're down and a massive 53% of you 01:07:16.680 --> 01:07:24.079 never intended to buy one and still don't intend to very interesting 01:07:21.640 --> 01:07:28.839 obviously these aren't like you know scientifically derived results or 01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:32.799 anything like that but uh there you go it looks like there's a lot more people 01:07:31.279 --> 01:07:38.680 who feel the way that I do than I actually thought because I do wonder if 01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:42.720 part of that um is letting everything B 01:07:38.680 --> 01:07:44.160 out the shock yes and yes and something 01:07:42.720 --> 01:07:49.279 else the one that I had but I think you're both right um which is the the 01:07:47.279 --> 01:07:52.400 benchmarking performance right I think a lot of people are going into this like 01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:56.440 oh yeah I want an Oculus it's super cool yeah yeah and then they see any price 01:07:54.279 --> 01:08:00.680 tag they get to any form of checkout and they're like wait can I do this like I'm 01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:05.039 going to have to upgrade my system I need a better GPU I want a new platform 01:08:02.920 --> 01:08:10.520 I need okay this cost looks like more than just the head I note right I wonder 01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:16.000 how much this would change after somebody actually tries it that's a huge 01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:20.759 thing too one of oculus is biggest things is they need to use Best Buy as 01:08:18.799 --> 01:08:23.920 weird as that is and they need to get demos out and people need to play bullet 01:08:22.480 --> 01:08:29.319 train and people need to play Valkyrie and people need to play um um whatever 01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:34.799 CCP ends up calling sorry CCP but your Tron game um and they need to be able to 01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:36.400 try all these different things and it's 01:08:34.799 --> 01:08:40.719 I don't know yeah we'll see how it actually ends up in I guess once think 01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:44.880 it might play out maybe like the Wii a little bit where it took a while to get 01:08:42.799 --> 01:08:48.400 going it was at a lower price point but then it just kind of took off because it 01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:52.679 was such a new experience the lower price point helped it it's it sure won't 01:08:50.080 --> 01:08:56.799 be it sure won't be 3D Vision where they did get the demos out there and people 01:08:54.279 --> 01:09:01.600 did try and and they still didn't buy it yeah yeah yeah bullet train like you had 01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:05.759 your set amount of demo time and you ran through the one scenario that was all it 01:09:03.679 --> 01:09:10.679 was like you walked this way and then you walked that way and then you fought 01:09:07.719 --> 01:09:15.159 and then everything was done and I tried to get in line literally as many times 01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:19.000 as I possibly could you're that guy yeah but like there was other people doing it 01:09:16.759 --> 01:09:22.359 too there was some uh chick who was totally not interested NVIDIA games or 01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:28.799 VR at all but they had her try it just cuz she was there and she went back I 01:09:25.159 --> 01:09:30.679 think two or three so like it's a thing 01:09:28.799 --> 01:09:36.120 it's really expensive and I don't want anyone to break the bank on it not what 01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:38.199 I'm saying but it's really cool all 01:09:36.120 --> 01:09:41.920 right so thank you guys very much for tuning in to the W show thanks to our 01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:49.440 special guests Bob and Rod for joining us here on the W show and we will see 01:09:44.480 --> 01:09:53.239 you guys finally in a normal time slot 01:09:49.440 --> 01:09:56.320 in the normal Studio next week we had 01:09:53.239 --> 01:09:58.159 two statutory holidays fall on Fridays 01:09:56.320 --> 01:10:04.120 so we ended up with weird pre-recorded shows that we were or were not present 01:10:00.679 --> 01:10:06.480 on and then and then now we're in the 01:10:04.120 --> 01:10:14.400 the hotel conference room so we'll see you next week on the usual bat time on 01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:17.840 the usual bat Channel etc etc peace out 01:10:14.400 --> 01:10:21.920 guys bye we don't have an outro this is 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:21.920 really weird I'm going to keep talking