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what we didn't figure out was that well a couple of things I forgot the AC

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does not work uh in both Channels with our particular camera um so the the way

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we've actually got it set up here is we've got a stereo microphone set up so

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side can actually this is kind of cool maybe we should do it this way from now on because viewers on one side can hear

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me as if I'm you know sitting on that side of the screen I think they're still

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probably both closer to you um well no no but yeah but do it

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properly yeah so there you go guys we

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are we are finally live we are at the show it has been a heck of a week so far

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and this is going to be a bit of a a bit of a special episode uh because it's

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special in the sense that we don't have our lower Third special in the sense

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that we don't have special in it there's lack of preparation yes yes so this

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episode going to trash on it like immediately is all about helping you

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guys appreciate the usual quality

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standards and timeliness of the land show this time I mean we're late by 50

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minutes usually we're late by like 30 minutes so like I mean that makes our

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usual look so much better yeah see right

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guys and uh yes yes this will this will come on YouTube later at some point I

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have no idea how it figures into the release schedule because as you guys

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have probably noticed we've been releasing about a video every 3 hours

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since we are arrived at the show and that is exactly what we're going to talk

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about today on the stream is what has been going on and uh what have been what

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have been the highlights so far I'm going to drop right into this have you seen that crazy Chinese car no the

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electric car th000 horsepower over 200 mes hour no I did not you Haven seen the

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Faraday car no I have not okay I'm going to drop into this immediately looks like

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Batmobile 100% looks ridiculous um has

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over 100 or has over 1,000 horsepower can go over 200 mph is an electric car

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are just ridiculous some crazy Chinese

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entrepreneur company thing dumped huge amounts of money into this and the idea

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is that the platform much like Tesla did they were like look the Roadster and

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then now they're changing to other things yeah it's the platform that they're really trying to show off the

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crazy thousand horsepower electric car is mainly just to like pull people in

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and obviously get huge amounts of people talking about it because that's exactly

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what happened um but the main thing they're showing off if you watch their

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monitor and stuff is that they have a modular platform and they want to turn

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this into other vehicles so yeah very

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very interesting yeah I'm looking at it it's got kind of a uh it's got kind of a

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a like Hot Wheels Batmobile kind of

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something yeah it looks like the like a like like the Batmobile and a Lambo had

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a baby and uh a little bit less aggressive than a Batmobile a little bit

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more aggressive than a Lambo man that is a very interesting

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looking vehicle so it can go from this is great so in theory a 1,00 horsepower

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machine of this weight could use it four electric motors at each wheel to hit 60

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mph in 3 seconds but that of course will

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remain purely purely theoretical so Faraday has already committed it's

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really interesting that they went with Faraday for the them of the company yeah

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wow okay they have already committed to building A1 billion doll factory outside

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of Las Vegas real close to Elon musk's gigafactory thanks in part to $335

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million in incentives from the states

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and they are actually just weeks away from breaking sorry the state the state

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of Nevada so they're actually just weeks away from breaking ground on that

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project I love how fast we ditched screen sharing here I guess that was

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probably just my fault completely oh my bad everyone yeah I'll stop leaning over

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what website are you on Yahoo yeah yeah I'm well are we done now yeah I I think

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I think we're kind of done um but yeah I I I was on my way to chiro and I've I've

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heard of this I've talked to a few people about this I've been talking about it on Twitter I talked to a few

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different taxi drivers about it yeah like I've I've been around and then

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walking to chiro I was like oh fair day and then looked over and their entire

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was the only booth that I saw like multiple people filming all at once I

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think this might be the mo the biggest thing from CES this year there's still a

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lot of time for this to be a complete

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bust oh yeah oh yeah there's there there's there's there's there's tons of

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time for electric which is still not

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even beginning to be established as as a mainstream technology there's still a

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lot of time for the traditional automakers to kind of go okay well all

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right I got I guess we better get our crapping gear I mean actually one of the things that I've had the most fun with

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here at the show has been BMW so I test

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to check out some of the concepts that they have for uh Touchless Control

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inside the car at the same I totally hear what you're saying and I agree to a

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large degree but at the same time I think I'm not surprised that this is

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happening because if there was any time for a new player to jump into the auto

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space it's probably on the tail of electric yeah oh definitely

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definitely definitely I mean that's when when there's a huge fundal change that

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equals out a little bit more yeah I mean a perfect example would be something

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completely disappeared overnight you know for whatever the new

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platform is we're at an advantage still because we have that viewership that is

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going to be out there looking for us but

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uh oh I just realized we never tweeted that we're live um hey we didn't do a

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pre yeah yeah well this has been this has been definitely it's all about

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helping them appreciate what we what we normally do um so be while we are still

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someone else to come in be really competitive be really awesome and

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basically leave us in the dust it doesn't mean that we're you know down

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for the count by any stretch of the imagination but like saying it just

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means that there's more of an opportunity and a major platform shift

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like this where a lot of the existing

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ecosystem I mean let's let's face it Beyond you know molding for interiors

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and you know sources for you know leather and and metal and being able to

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create body components there's there's okay there's a lot of stuff that can be

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reused but but a lot of the science

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behind it a lot of the engineering behind it and a lot of the facilities to

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build this stuff I mean uh an entire facility dedicated to building gasoline

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or diesel engines is all of a sudden not an advantage it's not a problem and you

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could certainly retrofit it it's not like the facility is all of a sudden

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garbage it's just not nearly the same kind of advantage that you would have

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had when every car was going to have a gasoline or a diesel engine in it and

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basically guaranteed basically guaranteed and all of the and all of the

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business advantages and economies of scale that go with having having a

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production line that is running at X capacity all the time and you've got

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this predictable flow of how many workers you know you need versus like

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this like oh it's this completely new category we don't know how much

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infrastructure to build up we still have to figure out the costing on it we have

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to figure demand is still questionable blah blah blah blah BL demand is a huge

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question and you're and you're an established automaker you're not allowed to be just sitting around losing money

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you have shareholders who expect you to be making money because you've been around for a hundred years uh whereas a

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new company coming in the expect is like everyone applauds when hey we lost only

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you know 20 million this year it's like who yeah what an improvement yeah so

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it's a completely different standard as well yeah um I'm going to do this tweet

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so do you want to jump into whatever our next topic here is I I yeah I still find

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it weird that we have topics BMW air touch 3D you probably know things about

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that uh yeah so that was that was what I was talking about that uh that they were

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doing I really like the concept that they have behind their electric stuff

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that they're showing off um so the that

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was the it was what do they call it like I8 future concept something something

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interaction I was like okay that's a

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hell of a name yeah it's a cool name but but there is some really neat stuff

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about it so it's got this like super wide panoramic display and then it's got

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a dual layer display right in front of the driver and then it's got a heads up

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display that is visible as your looking through the windshield and then the way

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that you interact with all of this equipment is actually kind of like as if

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the panoramic display was a touchscreen except that you just kind of gesture in

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the air and you kind of go oh like this and like that uh the video is already up

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for it but the thing that stood out to me most about it um aside from you know

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the I I really liked the Dual layer display I haven't actually seen that

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practically applied in any meaningful way yet and it was really cool so it

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would have like topographical information on on the rear display and

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your route information and speed and other details on the front display like

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overlaid in a way that as as things moved around and shifted looked and

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looked really cool and and futuristic but looked cool and futuristic in a way

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that wasn't compromizing the functionality of the thing like we see

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so often with a with a concept device or

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vehicle or whatever else but the thing that stood out to me the most about it

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aside from that was when you when you sat in it the seat was really

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comfortable like really comfortable you kind of sink

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into you lean back and you're and and you're holding on to the steering wheel facing forward I like the live action

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demonstration but also very comfortable

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to kind of shift your butt about you know 20° put an ARM on the very wide

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middle armrest obviously designed for two middle armrest and have a

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conversation because that concept car

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would be a concept of a fully self-driving car so they're kind of

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sitting there going yeah we don't want to sacrifice the The Ultimate Driving

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and you're the driver you drive the car

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it's it's driving they don't want you to their whole tagline Ultimate Driving

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Experience they don't want you to not be able to drive the car and have and have

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a great time so it's not a couch on Wheels but it also really did think

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about those do exist you know conversing

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between the passenger and driver just kind of looking at each other got a

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video plan playing on the dash while the car drives itself as well which I I

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don't know I just I thought that was uh I thought that was really cool now we

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just need self-driving coaches on Wheels hey I I I'm taking it one step

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further I'm going with the Homer Simpson dream sequence where he's got the flying

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bed oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yes and and I want cherubs sort of holding on to each

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of the each of the bed posts and kind of carrying me off to wherever it is that I

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that I need to go um

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fantastic I want to take this I want to take this opportunity to uh to get you

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guys to tweet at linest Tech let me know if there's anything that you guys want

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us to talk about and while you guys are tweeting at us we've actually got a

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couple of of special special guests that wanted to come and just kind of say hi

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these guys helped us out a lot a lot

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this uh this year so I'm gonna I'm going to move my chair over here I'm actually

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just going to like super ghetto widen the shot over there and these guys can

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squeeze into the middle l and I just have to yell so you can hear us it'll be

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all right how many systems do you guys have

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here I think we have seven seven yeah

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seven this year we cut way back how many

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did you have last year like 12 oh my goodness okay I thought you were

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joking yeah no we had like 12 so yeah we

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got a little sleep this year actually before we came so that was different

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that's yeah that's an the truck was completely packed the seven G gamer

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system everything all the night before and then

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in the shop ready for a c okay so come

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come on come on in a little bit closer here guys I think we're all uh I think

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we're so running into BS and stuff so

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this is Bob Stewart and Rod Rosenberg of

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BS mods and you guys will probably recognize them if you ever watched that

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mod 24 uh contest that Luke and I sort

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of MC slash hosted these guys guys

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Shuffle everyone over a little bit yeah these guys did end up winning the thing

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but uh they do far more than just build

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you know white and green themed machines around the gtx980 and I'd love to hear

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from you guys what has been the highlight of the show for you so far you

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know we spent a lot of time looking at cases surprisingly yeah really um

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surprising cases yeah fasc so a couple

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cases that we want to see right away what's inwin doing because they do some

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pretty remarkable stuff uhhuh signature

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and what not they do anything interesting this year a boat that's not

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England that was so enwin's got a brand new

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um what is the name the Signature Series yeah I don't remember it uh it's

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actually an H frame H frame hame yeah it's the H frame series whatever and you

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know remarkable lighting and a custom

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power supply size oh yeah yeah a custom power supply and a window power Supply

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yeah with lights lit power supply yeah

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uh it's it's the same idea as the towel

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where if the lights on the inside of the power supply are not on it looks like a

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mirror but when the light is on you can see on the inside so you can see all the

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internal components to the power supply it's actually pretty sick and it's designed to it you can only get it if

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you buy that case it's designed to go with that case so the aesthetic is the

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same which is great if the power supply ever fails in the future and you to

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replace it it only fits in that case yeah that that's that's that's that's

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that seems like a good idea um what else have you guys seen on the

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case side of things I mean honestly it's been pretty quiet from my perspective

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that's why we're here but um I think we saw the Deep cool Suite they had some

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really unique things going on there um

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and then Leon Lee with the Prototype

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builds of the yacht the boat you know and and so those were kind of cool too

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we had some ideas when we saw those that we'd like to uh you know turn them into

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battleships or you know just something cool but um I like the Coast Guard idea

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yeah Coast Guard yeah you know maybe do Coast Guard theme you know there's a lot

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you could do with them really so those were pretty awesome yeah okay so uh here

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squeeze in a bit more so you guys are sitting right at the table got people

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complaining sound is too low I'll just

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okay so these guys did us a huge huge

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favor keep squeezing in squeeze squeeze

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all right okay these guys did us a huge

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favor because I am fairly certain that

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if we had shipped seven Gamers one CPU

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down to Vegas we it was not going to get here in

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one piece in fact uh one of their fellow

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fellow modders Travis Jen had a system

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completely destroyed in shipping

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incidentally a system system that was in the same case that we used for seven

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Gamers one CPU like what were you saying boot marks yeah boot marks on the Box on

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the box when they got it it had shoe marks all over it like somebody used it

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as like a booster or something to climb up a wall or who knows what but it was

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destroyed on the very Stout Cas Labs case they've got the Pressed in uh

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pieces to allow the panels to attached and those ripped out and so panels are

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tweaked motherboard tray bent just I mean total and a missing stick of memory

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gone not in the Box Not underneath the flaps of the Box not stuck to tape gone

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it's great because our viewers give me so much crap for harping on case

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manufacturers about packing material but you guys get it right oh you guys

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understand how important is the packing material when you decide to buy a case

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if you are having a system built in it

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before it is shipped to you yeah yeah shipping a loaded ch see no packing

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material seems to be designed for it well yeah the packing material is

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actually just made for the empty case

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yeah so that's what it's designed for once it's been built if you you know do

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ship it somewhere it's not designed for that extra weight so there's a chance

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something can happen so we usually try to build uh wooden crates and um that

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fit that particular build you know and and that saved us although we've got

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some builds back that the wooden crate was uh taped together hoping that it

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would hold together so you know that stuff happens

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so okay so I've been I've been meaning to ask you guys this

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um uh give me give me a score out of 10

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oh oh I know it's coming oh on seven Gamers one CPU I want to know I want to

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know what you guys think

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um on as an

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overall you can decide you can decide I I no let's say on the physical build um

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the physical build give me a score out of 10 I I want I want I want you on a

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thoughts how do I do can that camera pick up my face turning red right now

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it's like I don't know you go first R all right I think I'm going to go with

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seven because a seven it's actually more generous than I was expecting okay the

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ssds were done well you know yeah it's

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double stick tape we love that stuff too

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but you've got the full window you got a nice display of a of a impressive array

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of ssds MH yeah you've got a theme that

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runs throughout it's got paint it's got tubing it's got cables that all tie

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together it's got fans custom fans I

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mean who who can't love those nocta fans

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so yeah yeah uh on who don't have the lus tech tips Edition one that's who

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yeah so I I think it was well done I

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would love hold on that's the next question okay okay so you you got to

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give me you got to give me a score too all right so I'm going to give you a

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7.5 oh wow so are you just like are you

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basically kissing up at this point yeah yeah yeah no uh just for that half of an

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extra brownie point you know so no actually uh that thing was really clean

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you know we we are very particular with every build we do so we make sure that

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all the wires are running correctly and super tight and shortened to the right

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length and the you know uh stuff like that the one thing I could say that you

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guys maybe should have done has added some lighting inside the case MH um so I

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didn't see that and um it was nice that you went with a two-tone so you had a

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little bit of extra you know a little bit of extra flavor there so some

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different colors mixing it up a little bit that was good um but the layout was

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great everything it was just no actually you guys did a really nice job so um

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yeah I think 7.5 is probably right on

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the money for for us I mean if you had one of our paint jobs you know of course

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the score would go way up there you know it's like no it was a great job brownie

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points motion got everything under

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control okay okay okay so I I can't take

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credit for the extra half a point because I came to Luke and I said Luke

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orange or black for the tubing and Luke

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goes half and half and I'm like safe

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answer yeah well no I I I don't consider that a

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safe answer I think black is a safe answer yeah for sure black would be the

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safest of the three choices with probably all orange being the most kind

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of out there but I kind of went no no no no pick one and he goes no you've got

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the black and orange in the cabling you have to go black and orange in the tubing I'm like well hold on a second

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we've got we we've got other orange accents we've got the orange accents on

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the fans you know what what about those orange accents is that enough he goes

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no well also because the fans were black and orange and the cables were black and

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orange and everything else was black and orange and wanted the tubing just to be

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do you guys ever along do you ever like just get along and like agree on

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anything or is it always like we get along but we're like he's a car that's

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driving right and I'm a car that's driving left so we just go B kind you're

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just stuck there like you're kind of that's how we make progress yeah exactly

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yeah you know other people would tell you you know you all got to drive in the

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same direction we would tell you you just kind of like you know RAM up

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against the guy next to you kind of it might not be as efficient but sometimes

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you cinch on and then both Motors help no I actually don't think it that's

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that's very very very good that I tried okay Rod what would you have done

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differently I gotta add the Hardline a

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you really you're GNA you're going to rag on me about the Hardline you know

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but it was a great job with tubing and Hardline is not everything but with the

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two CPUs and the fact that you've got that excellent seven-way block you know

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I just think the Hardline would have just put the build over the top okay so

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Hardline and lighting and then what do I get without OBS mods paint

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job oh without the paint

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job cu the paint job turns it up to

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11 oh man I'd say

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uh Hardline and

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lighting I get I'd say an extra full

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point eight and a half eight and a half okay all right okay that's good to know

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I know what to strive for next time I am probably not going to end up doing

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Hardline anytime soon did you guys see my personal rig update yet I have not

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seen it yet okay so that's over only over on vessel and you guys are going to

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cringe oh great so freaking hard on that

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video because I went into it thinking

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okay I'm doing Hardline tubing on this and I'm like like I get out the heat gun

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and I get out the the monsoon bending it and I get out the all the blocks and

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everything and I go and I put I put the uh GTX Titan X in the top and then I put

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the Intel 750 SSD in another slot and I

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go oh yeah hold on a second what is how

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am I going to get a Bend between this full height card with a water block and

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this half height card with a water block and not have the bottom card interfere

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with the bottom of the case when I try and get a right angle Bend out of it so

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tell me so so so anyway so from there I

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go and I'm like okay we have to do soft tubing but I didn't account for this and

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so none of my fittings are going to are going to fit like this is a foru chassis

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it doesn't even have the same width as some some of some Tower chassis so when

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you're coming off the graphics card or and the uh so yeah so when

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you're coming off even the um even the reservoir I was having

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trouble with the bends right so so I end

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up digging up these like you know remember that kind of rusty blood red

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that bits power had right I end up digging those out for a black and blue

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themed build otherwise and I'm like okay I've got some 90s and some

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45s like maybe maybe I can make this work and then finally I find a couple of

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90 Silvers and I'm like okay maybe I'll just go with my ancient true Silvers the

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the old silver play on I'm like oldies

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but I believe they're goodies and that is exactly how old people think

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and and then I I I end up I end up actually using a heat G the heat gun to

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bend soft tubing right in order to get extra little twist to it so you end up

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with that weird angle coming out of the fitting kind of like this instead of

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coming out straight and bending nicely but um you know you got I don't want to

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score from you guys on that all right yeah we'll we'll not do that if you want

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to watch the train wreck then go go ahead go ahead enjoy it's in my plans

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yeah we will we will definitely no okay

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so the last thing here is uh this is something that we've kind of been kind

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of been kicking around internally um and something that I know that you guys have

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expressed interest in but I'd love to hear from the audience we have never

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done like whether it's uh whether it's like a tech Showdown style buildoff or

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whether it's a scrapyard Wars we have never done anything like that with a

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Team Battle

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so we're formally inviting you guys to

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participate with us but we are going to

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leave this up to the audience oh oh boy

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is this like a is this like a rap battle SL battle or is this just straight up

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the whole time it better be rap battle do you want to

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see me and Luke get destroyed by these guys cars

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bumping or do you want to see Luke and I

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each pick who we think is the best of BS

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mods oh oh wow and split the two dream

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teams and make them compete against each other oh man so I'm going to create a

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Twitter pole here guys and uh yeah we

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we're we're going to do this you guys have you guys have been working on this

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haven't you you just didn't pull that out of the hat which team the live

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decision was out of the Hat oh the team battle was not really okay okay so I'm

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I'm creating this so lonus and Luke versus BS mods oh well I guess you guys

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are just BSM there you go or actually here no

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let's just do uh LMG versus BS mods

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or uh split the team

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okay all right all right let's let's tweet this let's tweet this puppy and

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let's uh let's have a look at those at those results as they come in I will

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share that link with you guys in the twitch chat here I need you all to vote

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and I need you guys to be serious here okay because this could determine

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although I retain my veto Powers uh

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this this could determine how this is going to go down so in the meantime why

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don't we go back to back to sort of the the regular Twitter boards here and see

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what you guys have submitted that you'd like us to talk about from the show so

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oh man of course the the entire the entire Twitter feed is full of like team

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Team Battle scrapyard Wars team Team Battle Tech

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Showdown um okay so Jordan Leighton asks

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what's up with the 8K stuff there at a certain point isn't more KS just useless

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have you spent much time on the show do you see any of the 8K stuff I have seen zero okay have you guys seen any 8K

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stuff this year yeah we did see a couple what do you think if if you're going big

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I mean these huge displays you know 80 plus inches AK is cool but where do you

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get content no that's a you know yeah it

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those demos look so beautiful on these ultra thin screens and it's like okay I

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don't think Dish Network's quite pump in AK well you just watch those demos and

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loop over and over and over I mean now

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I'm kind of offended by this to be perfectly honest because I'd like to

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point out to you guys that there are a lot of you know great YouTube creators

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out there okay sure making a lot of great content right and YouTube actually

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does support 8K at this time wow it

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doesn't look any better than you know a Blu-ray at 1080p because of the bit rate

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but I'm still going to sit here and be offended because that's the kind of guy I am you got your 8K camera he said I

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didn't well I don't know you like a drama sign

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over yeah okay so so in response to Jordan my I mean my whole take on 8K is

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that unless you are unless we're talking

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about 8K displays that sit about this far in front of your face in a VR

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headset I'm really not that interested

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because even 720p to 1080p I can really

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tell like that's that's that's very noticeable to me definitely but it's not

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like the jump from you know 480p to 720p

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either the difference between watching a

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a DVD versus a 70 and 480 yeah yes so

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the difference between a 480p DVD and a

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720p video is huge the difference

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between 720p and 1080p is definitely more enjoyable and I'm talking on like a

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55 in TV in a normal sized living room like what like what 90 99% of people are

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at or below right now and the jump from

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1080p to 4K is

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like oh yeah oh yeah I can see it but by

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the first you know three minutes of the movie that I'm watching I've completely

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forgotten about it yeah definitely because that's what movies are you know

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watching a movie unless you're some kind of you know Cinema equipment buff like

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Brandon is not about the technique that

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they used to blah blah blah blah it's

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and even for him it's not about the

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resolution so the only people that care about that there's the guys that sit

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down and watch a movie for the escapism and that's I think most people then

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there's the guys that are getting into the techniques behind it and then

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there's the guys who are just straight Gearheads and just want to know that a

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higher number camera and more of those cameras was used to make it sorry they

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shot it in a 4K stereo 3D no that's not good enough we need 6K

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stereo 3D I mean the reality of it is is one of the most popular digital cameras

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digital film cameras in Hollywood right now the Ari Alexa is a 2.5k camera that

447
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image is considered acceptable by Hollywood directors who are you know

448
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,320
super easy to please with with the equipment that they use and super you

449
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:26,639
know flexible and that stuff that's considered good enough for a movie

450
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:30,440
theater and and I bet you didn't

451
00:32:26,639 --> 00:32:34,039
notice so so I'm personally not sold on

452
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:37,120
8K with that said I think that for for

453
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:39,480
very very closely positioned displays uh

454
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:43,880
particularly for VR it cannot come soon enough and I love that the displays are

455
00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:47,440
coming so that the display interface technology can catch up so that the

456
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,720
content ecosystem can be built so it can become mainstream so people can demand

457
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:56,880
it and they can feel like oh if we make this then people will think we're a cool company I look forward to all that stuff

458
00:32:54,399 --> 00:32:59,799
but not for not so that I can have an 8K TV

459
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:07,440
just so you guys know right now we're waiting for another update on the polls but currently it's 52% and 48% really

460
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:11,880
that's cool it was sitting 5050 for a long time currently it's 5248 currently

461
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:17,760
leaning towards LMG versus interesting a big

462
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:23,279
Showdown you know we still got to remain friends after this so we got to make

463
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,279
sure it's like Mario Party man we cut

464
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:29,559
ties uh Jordan also asked what happened in the ASUS Booth you seemed pretty

465
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:39,039
salty oh no no I I love those guys they're great guys uh no no salt no salt

466
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:41,320
whatsoever I do not like going to shows

467
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:46,559
and being shown something that people won't tell me what it is because I want

468
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:54,519
to bring you guys the most complete information that I can but the only

469
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:58,440
reason that laptop drove me so

470
00:33:54,519 --> 00:34:01,080
crazy was that it surprised me they were

471
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:06,399
doing something I didn't understand that form factor and that CPU should not have

472
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:15,000
been running continuously without throttling and they were really

473
00:34:09,879 --> 00:34:15,000
smug they were super smug they were

474
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:24,079
like that was that was exactly the look on my face I asked about it and everyone

475
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:28,320
in the booth turned to me and went okay that's not quite how it went

476
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:33,000
guarantee that going happen I wasn't salty but I was pushing them pretty hard

477
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:38,480
including pressuring them publicly through the video to tell me what's up

478
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,520
so I could tell you guys they they

479
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:45,320
wouldn't they didn't and I can't tell you anything other than that that looks

480
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:48,720
like a very impressive little

481
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:51,240
notebook um okay Luke your thoughts on

482
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:54,879
egpu technology is it becoming viable for the average consumer now that we

483
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:59,240
have USB 3.1 Thunderbolt uh I haven't actually seen

484
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:06,520
many of those devices here I've literally seen zero g Gigabyte had one I

485
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:08,440
did not see it or excuse me MSI MSI had

486
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,880
one they didn't show it on their oh well was over on the system side you were

487
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:16,079
focused on component over okay okay okay okay to be completely Fair I've seen

488
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:19,960
none of the new ones so not very many then do you want me to do you want me to

489
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:25,280
kind of like describe what what has were systems at the show so yeah okay so so I

490
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:28,400
saw a couple of them I saw razer's core

491
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,160
which is quite small uh beautiful

492
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:34,960
aluminum construction man did they ever nail that did you guys see it yes that

493
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:41,119
very very nice how thick is that aluminum is that three four mil yeah

494
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:43,800
probably probably 3 mil really really

495
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:48,440
thick um and they've made it toolless so you can actually just pop out a handle

496
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:52,680
you slide the whole thing out like it feels kind of like a like a server blade

497
00:35:51,040 --> 00:36:00,079
or something like you kind of Slide the whole thing out and you can change out the graphics card and shoot click back

498
00:35:56,319 --> 00:36:03,960
in like really really nice

499
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:06,440
um the one thing that's not ready yet is

500
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:12,720
both ASUS and Razer are talking about hot plug okay hot plug PCI Express is

501
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:18,119
not easy it's not simple it requires BIOS cooperation it requires driver

502
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:21,359
cooperation on both NVIDIA's side and

503
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:24,160
Intel's side it is not simple and for

504
00:36:21,359 --> 00:36:29,839
both of them I basically yanked out the cords crashed the systems um and was

505
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:34,720
like okay so it's not working yet and they're like no but by the time the

506
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:39,599
product comes and I think they're both looking at sort of the next two to four

507
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:42,839
months time frame they're both expecting to have it working because that was one

508
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:48,160
of the things that was kind of cluggy about the gs30 shadow MSI's uh like

509
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:51,680
giant dock thing that their that their laptop went on top of was that you had

510
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:56,920
to shut down the system in order to switch modes and then turn it back on

511
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:02,880
MSI actually has a new dock so that's the third one that I saw this year which

512
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:06,119
is not USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt so their

513
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:08,640
new dock is much Slimmer it's uh it's

514
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:12,040
much better looking but it still has that same connector so it's actually

515
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:16,839
forward and backwards compatible is my understanding um and we'll work with

516
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:21,440
multiple different notebooks from their lineup their solution has a couple of

517
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:26,920
advantages number one is that it's PCI e6x as if anyone really cares about that

518
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:34,280
because the performance is not really a factor um PCIe 3.0 forx is just fine for

519
00:37:30,359 --> 00:37:38,359
an external GPU but they are sticking

520
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:40,160
with that large like more than PCI

521
00:37:38,359 --> 00:37:44,319
e-shaped connector so that they can have additional devices that operate in the

522
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:50,000
dock so that they can have that full bandwidth and they are willing to trade

523
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,640
off the the ability to hot plug it

524
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:56,880
because I think from their perspective the user should not be hot plugging a

525
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:59,560
GPU at this point in time so MSI who I

526
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:03,920
considered a front runner in external graphics cards on

527
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:09,079
laptops um back when we covered the gs30 shadow last year is kind of going well

528
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:14,079
hold on everybody let's slow down I don't think we're ready for this um

529
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:19,000
another thing that I really need to know before I can talk about how amazing this

530
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:25,560
is is what is interoperability going to look like uh Razer wasn't quite as Cy as

531
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:31,200
ASUS about this where Razer said we're validating on the blade Ste

532
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:37,240
and if it works on other stuff great ASUS is maybe thinking about locking it

533
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:39,560
down wow so it would only work on at you

534
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:46,960
know presumably an Rog but it would only work on an ASUS laptop with USB 3.1 and

535
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,079
Thunderbolt 3 um msis is obviously

536
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:53,640
completely proprietary and if it's tied down to

537
00:38:51,079 --> 00:39:00,440
this model of laptop or this brand of laptop then it takes away a lot of the a

538
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,760
lot of the benefit of swappable Graphics

539
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,880
right which is that you can upgrade your system kind of Peace meal as you go hey

540
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:09,319
I need more GPU horsepower now and then oh my GPU is actually still okay but

541
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:13,560
maybe it's time for time to trade in the old laptop if that's not an option then

542
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:19,680
I think that really hurts the solution with the final piece of the puzzle being

543
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:21,520
price no one is talking about it uh so

544
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:28,319
Luke you remember back when we did that magma 3T thing right yeah yeah yeah uh

545
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:30,160
so we covered an old Thunderbolt like

546
00:39:28,319 --> 00:39:36,119
quite large like like the width of a shoe box thing um that actually accepted

547
00:39:32,839 --> 00:39:38,040
three addin cards and I I had understood

548
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:41,560
because I was wrong um that it would work with graphics cards and that thing

549
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:49,240
was like $900 neither Razer norus would comment

550
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:53,240
on price other than to I got kind of a

551
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:56,359
vibe from men at Razer that the core

552
00:39:53,240 --> 00:40:00,000
should be less than that did you start

553
00:39:56,359 --> 00:40:03,400
at one and go is it two is it three is

554
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,800
it four no I I had a poor strategy going

555
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:11,280
into it I started at that thing was $8.99 and he went okay it's not that

556
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:16,000
which actually doesn't even necessarily mean cheaper now that I think about

557
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:19,920
it an update we're at almost 2,000 votes it's now

558
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:24,480
5545 wow that's closer than I thought I thought everybody go straight up just

559
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:30,599
like let's tear them apart you know really so they want to see LMG versus BS

560
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:32,839
mods R oh Bo very interesting we tried

561
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:38,720
lus so they just want a good run they like to see me eat Humble Pie yeah I

562
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:44,240
think uh oh man uh oh okay this question is from

563
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:51,599
Kylie kefir when can we get the WAN hoodies that I am wearing by the way uh

564
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:54,240
all LMG staff are now equipped with uh

565
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:58,480
with the with the Linus Tech tips W hoodies we actually had them bring a few

566
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:02,760
early samples to the show so we could wear them in the videos and wear them

567
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:08,440
out about as kind of like a team uniform thank you thank you hoodie model 3 um oh

568
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:12,040
that's straight up Gangster right there V do do you know when the shipments

569
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:18,240
arrive like do we know I'm getting I'm getting the old um so it's better to

570
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:22,839
promise nothing and deliver something eventually than to promise a date and

571
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:28,440
even deliver something eventually after that date so we're going to go with Deno

572
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:34,839
uh we are definitely have more Noctua fans in a couple of months and if the

573
00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:37,160
WAN hoodie which by the way like I

574
00:41:34,839 --> 00:41:40,240
apologize but it was expensive to make and there's a lot of logistics that goes

575
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:44,160
into it there's margins for the resellers uh the L hoodie is going to be

576
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:50,880
$99 us if the WAN hoodie is a success for us

577
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,720
I will promise that you guys will see

578
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:57,520
more stuff like this in the future from us because we think there's really a lot

579
00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:01,640
more to to our merch than just just printing a logo on a T-shirt and we want

580
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:05,880
to really explore some of the other cool ideas that especially edel has for for

581
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,119
stuff that we can do have you guys like this yet it looks I was just admiring it

582
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:15,160
it looks pretty high quality good thread count you know I mean Egyptian cotton

583
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:18,800
yeah right what is this what is this

584
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:21,079
silk Chinese silk sheets yeah

585
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:25,440
right um Luke do you want to talk about the HTC Vive the Vive made a lot of big

586
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:30,720
changes I haven't actually been able to meet with HTC yet okay but you tried it

587
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:34,359
though right I have tried it in the paint application which is actually

588
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:38,800
actually a good demo I know it sounds boring but the paint application you get

589
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:44,599
to move around in 3D space and basically you have uh what a brush ESS you can

590
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:49,680
change different things you done have you tried the new Vibe on it yeah yeah

591
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:53,160
what did you guys think I love it it's he spent awesome a long time I mean he

592
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:57,839
spends a lot of time in a paint booth already but I had some fun I was like

593
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:03,040
the virtual paint booth Bob was like gone I created a whole like Campground

594
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:04,599
with like grass and a tree and fire and

595
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:08,880
and a sign and all kinds of stuff so they they give you crazy effects and stuff the reason why I think the paint

596
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:11,800
demo is actually really good for a Vive and the reason why a lot of people give

597
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:16,280
the paint demo is because you can move around in 3D space with the being spaced

598
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,280
out and you can paint wherever you want with the controllers so like you said

599
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:23,319
make a campground you could probably walk through the camp absolutely it's

600
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:27,160
just like as if you could spray paint into the air and have it stick to the

601
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:31,680
air right where it is and just then you can just move all around andain just

602
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:34,920
crazy basically yeah they've made some changes this is

603
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:40,400
the part that I don't know about cuz I hav't met with them yet there's now a camera on the front of the Vive right

604
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:44,200
heard about that I'm not entirely sure what the intention for that is there's a

605
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,839
lot of different ideas people are throwing around one of them is like

606
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:51,760
literally so if someone calls you on your computer you could like pass

607
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,680
through and then see what's going on or if you're still worried about the bounds

608
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:59,040
of the sensors and you're like I really feel like I'm going to run into something you could pass through and

609
00:43:56,599 --> 00:44:03,280
check you without taking it off having to realign and maybe you smudged a lens

610
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:07,319
with your oily hair and now you have to clean it or something like that CRA it's

611
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:11,599
genuinely annoying so it's may be nice for a pass through the controllers

612
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:17,359
though I don't know what's going on with the controllers before the controllers

613
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:19,760
were a like touchpad on the top fa

614
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:24,119
standard setup now it's still a touchpad but there's this ring yeah and I have no

615
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,720
idea what the ring is about I'm wondering if it's trying to up the

616
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:32,960
accurac when you're on til I felt like when you twisted it that might be what it was for

617
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:37,079
and it seemed to be accurate that way too it did seem to be very accurate and

618
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:41,319
it had less jumping and disconnects than the previous controllers did very smooth

619
00:44:38,839 --> 00:44:44,160
but like that's a crazy design so I don't know I still need to meet with HTC

620
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:50,040
to figure out what the heck they're doing once the helmet's on though you don't you don't see it so you know see

621
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:54,319
your things you know so it feels like the I'm just wondering uh I don't think

622
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,559
it's a bad thing I'm just wondering why they decided to do it and it seems to be

623
00:44:56,119 --> 00:45:00,760
more accurate so that's great I'm just wondering what the theory behind it is

624
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:05,319
or if that's all there is there might be something more I don't really worry about that too much cuz I figure you

625
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:10,440
know you already look weird anyway walking around with something on your head so you know what what does it

626
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:13,960
matter at that point but no I'm sure there's a reason for it but one of the

627
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:18,400
biggest things I noticed here though was um a lot of people have been fighting

628
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:21,720
about exclusives over the VR headsets I haven't weighed in that a ton because

629
00:45:20,359 --> 00:45:26,319
they're not out yet we're not seeing what's going on I think I kind of really

630
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:31,359
get it now the demos that you're seeing that are really good good on the Vive

631
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:34,480
right even that aren't exclusive are not the demos that you're seeing that are

632
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:37,440
really good on the Oculus they're different strengths they're better at

633
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,079
different things and I don't even really care about the exclusives a lot of those

634
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:45,920
games I wouldn't want to play on the other one anyways right I don't know so

635
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:50,680
okay I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm GNA cut this topic in half uh with a shout out

636
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:57,040
for Squarespace for allowing us to be here at CES 2016 guys if you want to

637
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:04,680
uh sorry I'm trying to figure out where seus is going bye seus anyways build it

638
00:46:02,839 --> 00:46:08,880
beautiful so if you want to build it beautiful head over to squarespace.com

639
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:13,280
Linus use offer code Linus and you can start building your website today

640
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:17,400
they've got a two-e trial for free and you can play around with all their tools

641
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:20,960
you don't have to be a techie uh you can just be someone who's like oh yeah I

642
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,720
like that template oh yeah I like these pictures I'm going to put these pictures

643
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:28,960
onto that template I'm going to arrange them like this and whether it's a blog

644
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:34,599
site whether it's a store or whether it's a portfolio like you know if you

645
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:38,480
build custom computer cases say for example and you just wanted a simple

646
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:43,040
TurnKey solution hey you know we're done a rig snap snap snap here's a gallery

647
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:47,359
boom done Squarespace is a great solution for all those kinds of things

648
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:53,200
if you buy a whole year of Squarespace at a time you will actually get your domain name thrown in for free for the

649
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:55,920
first year and if you use offer code Linus which is linked in the video

650
00:46:54,520 --> 00:47:02,880
description if you're watching this on YouTube or vessel then you can get 10%

651
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off your first purchase on Squarespace

652
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:11,040
build it beautiful thank you Luke no so let's go back to um the followup

653
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:18,760
question this one is actually from uh 10day tende day Dongo that cannot be a

654
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:21,800
real name and if it is cool man

655
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:24,240
um so so you just said you left off as a

656
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:28,800
refresher you left off saying the excl the exclusive titles here I wouldn't

657
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:34,160
necessarily even want to play here so then what I gather from that is that

658
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:38,480
much like many hardcore console Gamers would obviously own a Wii U a

659
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:42,880
PlayStation 4 and an Xbox One hold on I'm going somewhere with this

660
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:49,640
okay is your and it's a two-part question is your expectation that you

661
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:51,920
and other hardcore VR enthusiasts are

662
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:59,880
just going to have to Pony up and buy both or or all and part two of the

663
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:01,800
question is so let's talk then about how

664
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:05,359
much that's going to cost now that we know the price of the Oculus Rift and

665
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:08,599
there there's interesting debate on the price of the Oculus Rift and I might not

666
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:12,280
be on the side that everyone necessarily thinks I'm on I'm not even really on a

667
00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:17,440
side I think there's Fair Arguments for both

668
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:19,640
um yes and no especially looking at the

669
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:23,359
New York apartment argument which is people don't have as much space as they

670
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:27,920
used to wherever you happen to be but especially in a New York apartment the

671
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:32,839
Vive is actually really difficult sell I've seen very awesome demos on the Vive

672
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:37,520
like incredible demos the Everest demo that NVIDIA has been showing off like

673
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:40,920
super cool if you can get a setup in your house where you have like an ice

674
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:45,359
box behind a fan and you wear like a parka and you do the Everest demo no

675
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:50,880
seriously it's awesome because they used actual footage from Everest it's it's

676
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:54,760
not like a random some guy tried to see how accurately he could recreate it like

677
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:58,200
you're on Everest and it's the high really high resolution screen it's it's

678
00:48:56,319 --> 00:49:02,119
amazing but you need a lot of space for that so

679
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:08,960
I don't think the adoption is going to be as high and I think a lot of it going to come down to someone going oh I have

680
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:13,040
the space to be able to get a Vive maybe I'm going to do that or someone going I

681
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:17,920
kind of need a seated experience that just has a little sensor in front of me

682
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:21,200
I'm going to get a rift I and then some people being like YOLO I have enough

683
00:49:19,799 --> 00:49:24,960
space and gratuitous amounts of money I'm going to buy both I think buying

684
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:28,680
both and have a gaming rig having a gaming rig that's fast enough is going

685
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:32,079
to be a little bit of a hard sell for the average person because that's a lot

686
00:49:30,359 --> 00:49:37,559
of money because I don't see the Vive being that much cheaper or cheaper at

687
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:42,160
all I don't know okay so then now that you've said that you don't see the Vive

688
00:49:39,359 --> 00:49:46,920
being cheaper talk about talk about 599 $599 is expensive and I know Oculus

689
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:50,359
talked early on about how they're trying to not make like they're they're not

690
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:58,400
going into to make huge amounts of money on the headset and I know the development kits were

691
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:59,640
cheaper but if you line them all up and

692
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,760
you look at the years that they've been out for I know it's been a while since

693
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:08,559
development kit 1 but you pick up development kit one and it feels like

694
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:13,359
crap it feels clunky the screen is terrible Nothing fits very well the

695
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:18,920
velcro straps are like basically literally from a ski mask like

696
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:22,920
it's the bomb cost isn't that high you go to DK2 it steps up a lot it gets a

697
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:29,480
lot better but there's still some problems there's still a bit of weight there uh the foam is nah there 's a lot

698
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:33,000
of n all over the place you get to Consumer version one the foam is

699
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,760
replaceable so that after you have it for a long time if you're sweating into

700
00:50:34,799 --> 00:50:41,520
it or whatever it's not gross the the materials are really good they feel very

701
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:45,920
solid and they're very light which is an expensive thing to do the sensors in it

702
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:49,119
are very accurate it's extremely smooth the screen looks great lately

703
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,720
everything's really good they have a new sensor stand which is fantastic all that

704
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:56,440
stuff is great people are complaining about the included controller the Xbox

705
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:59,599
controller not a huge fan about that either either I don't really care I

706
00:50:58,319 --> 00:51:04,640
would rather be able to just buy that on its own they're uh complaining about the

707
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:08,760
included Oculus controller something Palmer has said and I do believe him

708
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:13,319
however is that those didn't even massively impact the cost of the setup

709
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:18,119
and they aren't making a ton of it on it and everything that's inside the headset

710
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:22,680
is really expensive now I'm going to believe that I'm going to jump in and

711
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:25,480
say yes the headset is really expensive

712
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:29,720
but one thing I wish it was cheaper too one thing that bothers me a little bit

713
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:34,799
is that well not bothers me a little bit but I guess it's sort of kind of like I

714
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:41,400
told you so you you guys had this coming I mean Oculus For Better or For Worse

715
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:42,760
had expectations out there that it was

716
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:49,160
going to cost in the neighborhood if I think we can all agree we all thought it was going to be $250 to

717
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:52,160
$400 was that kind of the the perception

718
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:55,599
I was I would probably reach 300 or 450

719
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,880
was my expectation so like yeah I two I

720
00:51:55,599 --> 00:52:02,559
was going to say that but then I figure some people are probably pretty optimistic sure yeah yeah yeah so from

721
00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:05,599
the kickstarter campaign and you know from kind of the way that was structured

722
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:14,119
and from the way that they talked and the way that they never corrected anybody yeah and I think they and then

723
00:52:10,839 --> 00:52:15,359
yeah even worse that was the expectation

724
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:22,599
that was kind of the number in the backs of people's heads for Better or For Worse then when the Facebook acquisition

725
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:25,119
happened a lot of the justification a

726
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:29,880
lot of the reason we're doing this was to make it more affordable

727
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:35,079
for everyone so I think people were kind of running around thinking oh well that

728
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:39,319
perception I had before well maybe now that that Facebook's basically dumping

729
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:43,040
buckets of cash into this maybe they're just going to sell them all at a you

730
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:49,280
know a $100 loss maybe I can pick up an Oculus Rift for for $199 by the time it

731
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:54,079
launches and I think even though they never confirmed that either the fact

732
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:58,119
that they let us think something without coming out and saying look it's going to be over $500 because they wanted the

733
00:52:56,839 --> 00:53:01,799
hype train they wanted people to at least talk about it cuz I know a lot of

734
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:06,520
people who won't talk about something that costs more than $500 because it

735
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:11,319
might as well be a Bentley for them like it's true though it's not

736
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:14,040
affordable um and I think they let that

737
00:53:11,319 --> 00:53:17,760
happen I think they let that perception remain and they used that PR line about

738
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:22,640
the Facebook acquisition which I don't think anyone's really upset about anymore in order to to smooth things

739
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:28,200
over with the community and then they Dro this bomb on the community oh by the

740
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:30,760
way it's $600 which in Canadian Rupees

741
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:35,880
after taxes is going to be about $1,000 yeah seriously not taxes and shipping

742
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:42,319
it's about a grand it will cost almost as much as a VR capable gaming PC wow

743
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:46,799
almost as much yeah you do need a lot of power side note super interested into

744
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:51,720
benchmarking for VR that's going to be actually really fun but yeah it's I

745
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:57,839
can't disagree with any of that I'm actually not that surprised by its price once I tried on the consumer version one

746
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:01,640
the first time I immediately knew it was going to be way more expensive they

747
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:04,680
ditched certain things and I think this actually came with it's an interesting

748
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:09,160
point that you talked about the Facebook acquisition I think this came with the

749
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:14,760
Facebook acquisition but later on I think Facebook wasn't necessarily okay

750
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:16,720
with the idea of ski goggle straps right

751
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:20,200
because they're super not ski goggle straps anymore there's this thing that

752
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:24,839
kind of sits on the back of your head and it's great and the velcro straps are way more high quality now you don't get

753
00:54:23,319 --> 00:54:31,400
your hair stuck in them really anymore like the fit and finish has jumped

754
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:33,799
massive amounts and in talking to people

755
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:38,440
from Oculus you point at something and they're like yeah that material was

756
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:43,079
really expensive like I don't think they necessarily wanted this to get really

757
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:46,960
expensive but Facebook was probably going this needs to be social this needs

758
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:51,280
to be comfortable to wear Financial analysts are looking at I went to vrx

759
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:56,520
financial analysts are looking at this going you need to be able to come home

760
00:54:54,000 --> 00:55:01,079
and play a game for 6 hours constantly on this thing and then go to bed fit and

761
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:06,200
finish Comfort wearability went through the roof and cost materials went through

762
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,880
the roof right it happened to the Vive

763
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:11,960
too the new version of the Vive that came out here is way more comfortable

764
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:16,799
than it used to be is way more uh way less rickety than it used to be all the

765
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:20,039
stuff in the VR space feels way more solid and feels way more expensive

766
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:25,319
although I'm thinking that it might be okay for

767
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:33,200
the Target customer base before you stab me um it's extremely hard to run a game

768
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:37,119
at acceptable rates for VR and before

769
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:39,200
you say like oh my computer can run

770
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:43,920
games at 90fps you're going to want really high

771
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:47,839
settings and you need 90 FPS to be like your

772
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:52,319
minimum it's going to be really hard you're going to need a need a badass rig

773
00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:58,440
to be able to run this so I don't really see that many people going like H I'm

774
00:55:55,839 --> 00:56:02,680
going to spend this much money on my computer in order to run VR when if the

775
00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:07,319
VR headset was 200 bucks cheaper they would be able to do it right so you're

776
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:12,960
saying anyone who's got the disposable income to build a dual 980 TI rig can

777
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:16,119
afford an Oculus Rift or if someone has that amount of disposable income and

778
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:22,160
they were going to buy a rift I don't see $200 more being that difficult for

779
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:24,920
them I see $200 more being impossible

780
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:31,160
for a lot of people right but I think those people might not be having 980 TI

781
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:34,520
rigs multiple 980ti rigs right maybe they do I don't know this is random

782
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:39,240
speculation that I have the twitch shot is probably murdering me right now no

783
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:44,400
actually okay I'm quite surprised it's crazy the overall cost of a rig when you

784
00:56:41,319 --> 00:56:46,039
talk about it's really high it's really

785
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:50,480
high and VR and that's the thing right now monitors are exploding people are

786
00:56:47,799 --> 00:56:56,680
looking at the the that PG monitor that runs at 165 HZ it's over a grand in

787
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:59,200
Canada um so if you're if you compare

788
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:03,400
that ultrawide experience to maybe I don't go Ultra wide and I go VR so then

789
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:07,880
tell me this okay so I think we can probably turning into the VR show um and

790
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:12,240
it is kind of a big deal at CES this year like the VR section of the show

791
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:17,760
floor is like everywhere okay just kind of try and move through here um so so so

792
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:23,119
there's various stages of adoption right now I think at

793
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:27,839
$600 where it really has zero functionality outside of games and Tech

794
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:30,799
demos yeah we're talking like the same people who are running around buying

795
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:34,160
Google Glass and this this this is something that lonus and I talk used to

796
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:39,200
talk about more but always talk about on the L show which is maybe you don't buy

797
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:44,000
version one yes version one isn't the killer version version one is the like

798
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:47,640
the people that are crazy about it will probably go for it and have probably

799
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:52,119
been planning to be going for it for a while and then later and this is again

800
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:55,319
there was this crazy financial analyst that was at vrx and it was really

801
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:59,880
interesting to hear him talk he was saying he put up some price ranges he

802
00:57:57,839 --> 00:58:05,480
said if it's over $1,000 he doesn't think it's going to make it if it's high

803
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:09,440
range within $1,000 he thinks there will be hardcore adapters or adopters and

804
00:58:07,799 --> 00:58:13,039
hopefully the industry can push forward which is interesting because that looks

805
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:18,079
like exactly what just happened um if it's low like under 500 bucks he thinks

806
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:24,319
it's going to be really good um but he's not sure if that's possible and once you

807
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:25,760
get to like $100 for a capable one no

808
00:58:24,319 --> 00:58:30,960
see but this is going to be way down the line once you're able to buy one of these for 100s and it's still a really

809
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:37,200
good experience that's when it explodes so I think there's a stage in between

810
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:38,559
and that's when it still costs you know

811
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:45,200
$600 to $1,000 but it's functional Beyond just

812
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:50,640
gaming and and Tech demos and even social interaction like I think if they

813
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:54,319
can and stuff we were talking about no what I'm talking about actually is if

814
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:59,720
cuz we we talk about the ultra wide monitors and how many of those moving at

815
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:03,280
$700 or or you look back at any development in monitor technology let's

816
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:08,200
let's treat it like a monitor for a second whether it's 1440p uh you know 27

817
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:14,720
in when that happened or whether it's Ultra wide now or whether it's 4K that

818
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:17,599
six to $700 price point is actually

819
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:23,119
palatable for Creative Professionals for high-end consumers and for people who

820
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:26,559
who like shiny toys but they do these aren't the people also who are just like

821
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:32,240
you know whatever so once it has a functionality

822
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,880
Beyond games then I think we can talk

823
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:38,599
and if they get the resolution high enough it can be a virtual monitor

824
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:42,400
because they they have the virtual monitor idea but you're you're right the

825
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:45,760
the resolution isn't there yet yeah and this is again the maybe the next version

826
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:51,000
thing so what you're saying is if it's good enough to be like a Workhorse if I

827
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:56,200
don't need to buy it on top of my ultra wide for productivity now you've got my

828
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:59,280
attention especially like let's say I'm a day trader for example you get the

829
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:05,039
resolution high enough those guys can never have enough monitors those guys if

830
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:07,520
they can have virtual monitor space all

831
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:11,319
around New York apartment right well you can set up that essentially the the

832
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:14,880
crazy Star Wars computer thing that everyone loves which is the monitors in

833
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:18,400
a complete circle around them you could just spin around in your chair yes we

834
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:22,720
have to figure out cables and stuff but people like orus at Gigabyte are working

835
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:26,520
on that resolution has to be better but if you can deliver that then I think

836
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:31,799
that opens up that opens up an in between stage where it can still be very

837
01:00:28,839 --> 01:00:35,520
expensive but if it does more than just you know what I do for you know two

838
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:41,960
hours on a Friday night after my kids go to bed then I think you're able to

839
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:43,640
access a lot more people and to be fair

840
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:48,000
the financial analyst that was talking opened up with I know nothing about VR

841
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:51,599
right but I do a lot of financial analysis on the tech Bas so he doesn't

842
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:56,920
know about the potential for those things and that's a really interesting

843
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:59,240
bit of input yeah yeah so I don't know

844
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:03,200
I'm I'm not 100% against to the cost I'm not happy that it's a th000 Canadian

845
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:09,839
dollars to get one yeah are you buying one uh Probably sounds like it no just

846
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:14,000
wasn't happen it must be I mean I have to because if we're going to Benchmark

847
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:17,960
games in VR like you already bought the lineus Media Group one right so L

848
01:01:16,359 --> 01:01:21,359
unforunately missed the first shipping window that is a shame okay I know we

849
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:25,480
had some issues with the credit card anyway we did that's unfortunately what

850
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:29,720
caused the Miss in the shipping window so minus Media Group is going to have

851
01:01:27,799 --> 01:01:34,359
one we are going to be bringing you guys a proper formal review um as soon as we

852
01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:38,720
possibly can now that we have a PR contact maybe

853
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:43,240
we can get at least at the very least maybe we can get our order bumped yeah

854
01:01:41,079 --> 01:01:46,839
no I I'm planning on talking to him about that I still haven't received a

855
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:51,119
message probably tomorrow I'm expecting so so the sooner we can get on that the

856
01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:54,480
better and we are going to bring you gaming

857
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:59,680
benchmarks and I have some ideas for those they won't just be done the same

858
01:01:56,359 --> 01:02:01,599
way we do them now yeah yeah so uh so so

859
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:06,720
that's done but in terms of you know what I'm

860
01:02:03,839 --> 01:02:11,079
out what I'm not buying one oh yeah I didn't expect you to I was going to oh

861
01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:18,920
okay when I thought it was $299 to 399 us a few things changed number one is

862
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:22,400
the pric is sort of 60% to double what I

863
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:24,079
or 6 166% to 200% of what I thought it

864
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:27,000
was going to be so that's number one number two is the Canadian dollar is

865
01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:32,720
falling about 25% since that time adding another

866
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:37,440
couple of hundred to the cost I haven't ordered one yet and that's actually

867
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:43,240
strictly because of the Canadian dollar so so I'm so I'm out um you know I might

868
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:45,319
tool around with it at work but that's a

869
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:50,720
work device that sits at work that's for us to do work on um and I will not own

870
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:54,119
one personally because I just am not in a position right now where that makes

871
01:02:52,640 --> 01:03:00,640
sense for me so you know what we need to hear from

872
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:04,839
you guys yeah we need to do we need to do another Twitter poll yeah so there's

873
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:10,319
there's actually this is like this is a two-part this is a two-part answer right

874
01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:13,480
here so let's let's get this poll going

875
01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:21,119
oculus rift at

876
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:23,480
$600 so was was going okay um okay was

877
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:26,319
going to buy they don't give you a lot of

878
01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:32,799
characters still no ah okay we're just no I'm just going

879
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:35,799
to do this really simple so was

880
01:03:32,799 --> 01:03:38,319
still am

881
01:03:35,799 --> 01:03:45,119
okay was not

882
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:48,680
anymore and uh let's go with um wasn't

883
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:52,559
and then uh am now and one thing that I

884
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:55,400
want to add here is that um there are a

885
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:59,799
number of demos that almost no one has tried

886
01:03:56,559 --> 01:04:02,200
which are flat out insanely

887
01:03:59,799 --> 01:04:06,640
incredible um one that I was able to try at NVIDIA last night and I don't think

888
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:11,599
has been shown very much this one's not the like no one who's tried this um but

889
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:17,079
bullet train have you guys played bullet train no I haven't bullet train is a

890
01:04:13,279 --> 01:04:20,799
game made by epic and it's a standing

891
01:04:17,079 --> 01:04:22,079
experience for Oculus it's a standing in

892
01:04:20,799 --> 01:04:26,839
pivot experience you're not supposed to walk around um it's based on

893
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:32,079
teleportation slow down of time and firefights wow you you teleport around

894
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:35,720
to different areas where there are firearms that you can pick up and say

895
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:39,559
it's a shotgun you have to actually pump it um if it's a rifle it's really

896
01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:44,200
inaccurate unless you hold it with both hands and you have to like actually position your hands properly uh if you

897
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:48,000
slow down time you can grab bullets out of the air and throw them back at people

898
01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:51,720
the one boss that I was able to fight I have to catch a missile out of the air

899
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:54,799
and redirect it and then and like it's going to be at a weird angle and you

900
01:04:52,839 --> 01:04:59,559
have to like and then redirect it and shoot it back at them

901
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:04,839
incredibly fun W right and like there's I'm finally starting to see games other

902
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:08,480
than Valkyrie that are like wow I really

903
01:05:04,839 --> 01:05:11,520
want to play that so yeah and it does

904
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:12,920
include two games um a lot of consoles

905
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:17,960
when they first come out won't include a game and then later will include a game you get Lucky's tail and you get

906
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:22,960
Valkyrie with it and basically everyone's going to buy Valkyrie so you

907
01:05:20,599 --> 01:05:27,480
can take some out of the costs if you consider that cuz buying an buying a

908
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:31,559
rift and not buy a game makes no sense right um and buying a rift and not

909
01:05:29,319 --> 01:05:37,319
buying Valkyrie for most people I kind of think makes no sense okay so uh I

910
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:41,920
want to do the results of the LMG versus BS mods or split the teams thing first

911
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:46,559
so uh 60% of you are saying it's going to be LMG versus BS mods so unless I

912
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:51,160
decide to veto it because I'm like ah I don't want to lose that badly um that

913
01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:54,799
looks like the route we're going to go timeline TBD these guys are really busy

914
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:58,520
we're really busy we got to make sure it works for everyone

915
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:01,599
now let's have a look at the results for did you ask them before the show at all

916
01:06:00,359 --> 01:06:06,359
no we've T we've talked to them about the possibilities very I've been like

917
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:09,799
very light pitches over a while but yeah you guys were kind of like hinting

918
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:14,119
little things but uh yeah the opportunity you guys are down right well

919
01:06:11,359 --> 01:06:17,359
you know we can uh we'll come up with a handicap of some kind you know I mean

920
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:21,400
we'll do like maybe uh I think we're going to ride hoverboards well yeah yeah

921
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:25,640
moding or something on yeah something like that

922
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:29,599
yeah mod the computer with your feet only yeah that might be fair well I

923
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:34,839
could like while if I'm doing some paint I could put a blindfold on Rod can

924
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:36,079
direct me with the gun and then you know

925
01:06:34,839 --> 01:06:40,880
I mean we'll just we'll work something out to help you guys out a little bit

926
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:49,000
okay so um much two minutes so here's the final

927
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:52,200
answer then we've got 11% of you a mere

928
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:55,240
11% that say you intended to buy the

929
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:56,319
rift and you still intend to buy the

930
01:06:55,240 --> 01:07:04,200
rift we've got the page taking a little while to load I wanted to refresh it there we

931
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:07,039
go we've got 33% of you in the lonus

932
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:11,480
camp you intended to buy one you are not buying one anymore we've got 3% of you

933
01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:16,680
that have changed your minds the other way you didn't intend to buy one but now

934
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:18,599
you're down and a massive 53% of you

935
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:24,079
never intended to buy one and still don't intend to very interesting

936
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:28,839
obviously these aren't like you know scientifically derived results or

937
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:32,799
anything like that but uh there you go it looks like there's a lot more people

938
01:07:31,279 --> 01:07:38,680
who feel the way that I do than I actually thought because I do wonder if

939
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:42,720
part of that um is letting everything B

940
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:44,160
out the shock yes and yes and something

941
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:49,279
else the one that I had but I think you're both right um which is the the

942
01:07:47,279 --> 01:07:52,400
benchmarking performance right I think a lot of people are going into this like

943
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:56,440
oh yeah I want an Oculus it's super cool yeah yeah and then they see any price

944
01:07:54,279 --> 01:08:00,680
tag they get to any form of checkout and they're like wait can I do this like I'm

945
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:05,039
going to have to upgrade my system I need a better GPU I want a new platform

946
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:10,520
I need okay this cost looks like more than just the head I note right I wonder

947
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:16,000
how much this would change after somebody actually tries it that's a huge

948
01:08:13,559 --> 01:08:20,759
thing too one of oculus is biggest things is they need to use Best Buy as

949
01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:23,920
weird as that is and they need to get demos out and people need to play bullet

950
01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:29,319
train and people need to play Valkyrie and people need to play um um whatever

951
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:34,799
CCP ends up calling sorry CCP but your Tron game um and they need to be able to

952
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:36,400
try all these different things and it's

953
01:08:34,799 --> 01:08:40,719
I don't know yeah we'll see how it actually ends up in I guess once think

954
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:44,880
it might play out maybe like the Wii a little bit where it took a while to get

955
01:08:42,799 --> 01:08:48,400
going it was at a lower price point but then it just kind of took off because it

956
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:52,679
was such a new experience the lower price point helped it it's it sure won't

957
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:56,799
be it sure won't be 3D Vision where they did get the demos out there and people

958
01:08:54,279 --> 01:09:01,600
did try and and they still didn't buy it yeah yeah yeah bullet train like you had

959
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:05,759
your set amount of demo time and you ran through the one scenario that was all it

960
01:09:03,679 --> 01:09:10,679
was like you walked this way and then you walked that way and then you fought

961
01:09:07,719 --> 01:09:15,159
and then everything was done and I tried to get in line literally as many times

962
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:19,000
as I possibly could you're that guy yeah but like there was other people doing it

963
01:09:16,759 --> 01:09:22,359
too there was some uh chick who was totally not interested NVIDIA games or

964
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:28,799
VR at all but they had her try it just cuz she was there and she went back I

965
01:09:25,159 --> 01:09:30,679
think two or three so like it's a thing

966
01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:36,120
it's really expensive and I don't want anyone to break the bank on it not what

967
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:38,199
I'm saying but it's really cool all

968
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:41,920
right so thank you guys very much for tuning in to the W show thanks to our

969
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:49,440
special guests Bob and Rod for joining us here on the W show and we will see

970
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:53,239
you guys finally in a normal time slot

971
01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:56,320
in the normal Studio next week we had

972
01:09:53,239 --> 01:09:58,159
two statutory holidays fall on Fridays

973
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:04,120
so we ended up with weird pre-recorded shows that we were or were not present

974
01:10:00,679 --> 01:10:06,480
on and then and then now we're in the

975
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:14,400
the hotel conference room so we'll see you next week on the usual bat time on

976
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:17,840
the usual bat Channel etc etc peace out

977
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:21,920
guys bye we don't have an outro this is

978
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,920
really weird I'm going to keep talking