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we make a lot of videos which is why over the years we've built out over 2

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and a half pedabytes of bulk storage but

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somehow it's not enough It's never

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enough and that's especially true when you consider all of our upcoming

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projects the videos just keep coming the badminton gaming center needs capacity

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and if I am ever going to deliver on that free storage backups as an employee

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perk concept I'm going to need a lot

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more storage like at least another pedy worth in this economy you're right

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storage ain't cheap but what if I told you that I could get a pedite for half

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the price I'm listening well we can in

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our quest to find the most cost-effective storage upgrade we

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stumbled upon these they are recertified

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drives but the recertification is done by Seagate themselves and they come in

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at just about half the price of the same drives brand new so like any other same

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person would I immediately handed eBay my credit card information and ordered

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$10,000 worth of them that's 60 drives

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so you got to be wondering lonus what's the catch come closer and I'm going to

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okay the real answer to what's the catch is we don't know yet that's kind of the

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point of this adventure you see the best advice that we've ever gotten and given

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is to avoid secondhand storage so this

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is kind of untreed territory for us but the deal it was too sweet to pass up now

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it's not like we were worried about getting outright scammed eBay has pretty

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good buyer protections and the main sellers of these recertified drives seem

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to have excellent ratings with most of the drives even coming with some kind of

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warranty but there's still a lot of questions like what does recertified

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even mean are they used it's hard to say

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I mean the eBay listings for these drives say that they have extremely low

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power on hours and no bad sectors which would seem to suggest that they're

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basically brand new but if they were recertified by Seagate the manufacturer

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then in theory they could just reset the power on hours the next thing the script

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says is unbox them but there's not a whole lot of unboxing to do like is this

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how they came well it's it's not like when you buy an individual drive it's

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not like they're all going to ship in like Amazon packaging when you're buying

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60 they come in trads and that makes

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sense okay so how used do these look I

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would say they look pretty not used to me not at all there's some fingerprints

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but you know our inventory people definitely put asset tags on them not on

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this one oh it's freaking clean we gloves even the screw holes I don't

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think these have ever been mounted to anything look at this 22 2022 are they

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all like that 2020

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2021 so these were manufactured anytime

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over the last few years I mean these drives didn't come out until like the

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end of 2021 like December oh yeah that one's 2020 so that must be a very early

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one where did they come from server Parts deals ah yes on eBay so in instead

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of buying our drives from seagate's own store we chose server part deals they

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sell them either Factory sealed still recertified but sealed or they actually

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crack them open and pre-b bur in test them for up to 50 hours according to

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server part deals the chance of getting a DOA Drive is actually much lower with

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those Burnin ones so we opted for that

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when we picked these up last December sometimes it takes us a while to catch

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up to our production ideas we found that

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The Sweet Spot was these 20 terab drives

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for $180 a piece and looking on eBay

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seems like we actually got a pretty sweet deal they're closer to $220 now

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but even that is a huge discount compared to new and you could probably

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save a bit by buying from them directly rather than buying through eBay

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Disclosure by the way server part deals is one of our sponsors now but not on

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this video and they actually weren't when we bought these drives from them no

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we we paid retail for these should we plug them in yeah I want to see if the

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hours are correct okay we got Cate SE tools we've got one of our drives here

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yeah Drive details smart 21 okay that

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checks out that's like nothing essentially yeah great now we just need

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a machine to put them in since our goal is to Save A Buck we're going to reuse

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as much Hardware as possible starting with this 45 Drive storinator XL 60 that

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we decommissioned a few years ago it still fits 60 drives just like it did

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when it was part of our original paby cluster but now it has double the

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capacity cuz we're using 20 TB drives man I remember when we built that

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so many people were like you're crazy dude just just use the cloud bro news

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flash the cloud is expensive bro

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and even when it isn't getting your data back from it is really expensive it's

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actually been pretty validating seeing how many folks have been migrating back

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to having their servers on Prem now to be clear we do use back Blaze backups

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but only for backup and only for our active projects now obviously a home or

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a small business user is unlikely to have one of these kicking around but

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everything that we're doing could be scaled down to just a handful of drives

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in a Nas chassis or even a single Drive in a recycled oplex like that one that

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Jake has right next to him which is the same one that we showed off in our hexos

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announcement video there's actually even people selling 3D printed Nas cases that

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look pretty cool the point is you don't need to buy dozens of drives in a fancy

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old server to get a great deal or at least what we hope is a really great

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deal you sound so confident oh I'm

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confident all right I'm confident it's time to rip these out of here oh it's

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almost as old as me it is not on the

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subject of our server being kind of old there are some Choice upgrades we want

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to make to this old girl before we throw her back in the rack oh yeah if our

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inventory records are correct the CPU in that machine is over 8 years old and

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perform Sim Illy to a first gen ryzen 5 I mean look don't get me wrong there is

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absolutely no shame in driving the car you got and for home use realistically

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your network speed is going to be a bottleneck before your CPU but we

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happened to have some newer Hardware sitting on the shelf specifically this

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ASRock rack Rome d8 2T with an epic

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7402p 24 core processor according to

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PassMark it is nearly five times faster

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than the old8 core that it's replacing now one important tip if you are going

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to be reusing old gear like our old board make sure to update the BIOS to

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get the latest security patches and definitely replace any dried out thermal

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past this one should be good I I redid that not that long ago okay board's in

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but I forgot to check the memory it looks like yeah we got 256 gigs of RAM

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in here which means we should probably put in some more the rule of thumb is

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about 1 gig of RAM per terabyte of storage for read caching but our

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workload is actually pretty read light so I think we're just going to leave

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this for now what we're not not going to leave are these hbas these high point

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750s were end of life years ago but more importantly they just kind of suck So

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the plan is to replace them with some LSI 9200 series cards now these are also

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very old like PCI Express Gen 2 a but

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for us that's a feature since they happen to have the right connectors for

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the cabling in our machine so specifically we're going to be using a

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pair of genuine LSI 8 drive cards and

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then three of these 16 Drive cards two

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of which are genuine and one of which is an eBay knockoff now we had a whole

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video planned on these things back in the day which is actually why we have

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this I think this one's the fake one yeah it doesn't say LSI on the front

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whereas the other ones do but the thing is counterfeit silicon is pretty unusual

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and I suspect this is just old chips

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from maybe failed boards in some other way that have been resolder onto new

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boards so should be fine I guess that's part of

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the adventure I've had some friends who've had these like cheap cards work

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for years without issues and others who've had them die in a few months we

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don't have much choice either way since the legit ones are really hard to find

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I'm almost done wiring up all the drives then all I got to do is Chuck a little m.2 boot Drive in there and then in our

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last slot that's not it uh I'm going to

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be using a melanox there we go Invidia connectx 6 dual Port 100 Gig network

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card oh you want to put that in too we're also going to use this cool

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adapter do dad to connect this 2 and 1/2 in Dell Gen 4 NVMe SSD that we had lying

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around and then we can use that to help with read caching or level two Arc it

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can hang out let screw it in first what I don't need to screw nothing in you

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screw it in look it fell out that's because you didn't screw it in way to go

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Jake didn't say drop it on the be careful that's from startech they kindly

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sent that to us thanks

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startech now to keep everything in this area cool I'm going to throw in a noctua

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industrial 3000 RPM 140 mil fan that way

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we won't have any issues with overheating on our network card hbas or

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the NVMe SSD that's in there now to find out if it

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boots I don't actually know like it

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probably

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should n my optimism is steadily

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decreasing if you have a situation like this where you're not getting a display

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signal from a computer you're trying to troubleshoot a good way to check if it's

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actually working is to use caps lock or numb lock which you can see when I click

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caps lock it is turning on and off so clearly

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this system is posting it's just not outputting the display signal for some

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reason or potentially this cable or the monitor is not working I'm going to try

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the ipmi and see if that works hey okay

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it's working sick with that out of the way let's talk software there are

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obviously a lot of options but our go-to for a while has been trass scale it's

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free which is always great and most importantly the ZF FS file system it

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uses is perfect for large setups like this and super resilient so if we have

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any issues with these drives which I hope we don't our data should be fine if

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you're a home gamer you might also want to check out hexos the userfriendly nas

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software Linus invested in once it's out of Early Access but if you're not

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feeling adventurous there's always unraid whose main claim to fame is the

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ability to expand its array one drive at a time or there's open media Vault we've

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got trass installed now everything seems to be working and we can finally put

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some hard drives in heavy as a full train it's heavy so I've recruited

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help it'll take a sec for them all to get like detected and imported but let's

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see how many we have so far ooh is she working I mean it's on but I haven't

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looked at the drives yet so I guess let's see how we doing

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61 wow they're all working well they all show up well yeah I mean we haven't made

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an array yet should we run a smart test on all of them first can you do that all

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at once oh yeah nice wow well that's great so they all pass a short smart

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test if you're getting new drives you should do more than that you should

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usually people recommend zeroing them all out not because you need to clear

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the data but as a burn in to make sure that all the sectors are good and

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everything is happy we're not going to do that right now but it's not a bad

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thing to try and in theory server part deals has already done that for us cool

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so we can make a pool now oh boy what do you want to call it swimming what so

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it's a swimm swimming pool no I don't like that I'm going to call it ocean I'm

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not salty since this is primarily archival storage and since we have a lot

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of discs we're going to group our drives into six 10 Drive raid Z2 vdevs that two

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in the raid Z2 means that we have two drives worth of data protection kind of

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like raid six so for us to lose any

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actual data we would need to have three drives fail and all three would have to

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be within the same 10 Drive Group which which is fairly unlikely since

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multi-drive failures like that usually happen when you end up with drives from

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the same bad batch and since our drives are recertified it's much more likely

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that they are from different time periods and different batches and the

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script says in theory because we hadn't actually looked at the stamps on the

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chassis yet in practice they are very different 2021 2022 they're all over the

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place now for a home setup you're probably going to go with something like a four six or eight wide raid Z1 or Z2

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depending on how important that data is to you but with the new r z expansion

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feature you can start as small as two or even three drives and then expand that

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existing group as you want to add more drives that's pretty convenient yeah

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well we can click Start now or go yeah do it so we should have 873 tib bytes

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what are you for t to TB 960 terab damn

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hard drives have just been kind of quietly in the background getting like

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kind of awesome kind of thick well I've paid absolutely no attention attention

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to the it's like children uh our cash SSD is not detected

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most people if they're trying to build something like this at home they're not building with a petabyte of drives

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they're not going to have a cache SSD in it so let's have a look something about

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it is not happy we will have to figure that out later yep I'm not expecting

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like crazy numbers cuz it's really old hbas and we have a very wide vde depth

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size I mean but 8 gigabytes a second

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that's pretty good or giby bytes oh I'll take it goes up and down and up and down

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it's hard drivve so we're not really gonna get much better than that well

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dude I'm not gonna complain about that that's sick we're not even GNA be able to realistically do that so yeah that's

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great but most of what we're doing on this thing is sequential anyway exactly

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that is like five to seven times what we

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would even be doing over like a 10 gig connection yeah which is most of the

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accesses we do except when we're doing backups and stuff anyways so great

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freaking awesome yeah I mean the drives they haven't complained wait this is

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great but remember you said you were going to reach out to and find out what's the deal with these drives I did

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they didn't respond at least they haven't yet and it's been like 4 days or

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something like that okay I did find a press release on their website about

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this program with eBay and it makes it sound almost like they're taking drives

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that people were going to throw away like from a data center recycler and

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refurbing them I don't know it doesn't

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say anything conclusively and they look really new they look really new it seems

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like our best guess is that they're just customer returns or something like that

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okay well bad batches they rehabed one way or another in total we spent

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$1,160 on 62 drives which compared to

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the 235,000 we would have paid for new ones

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seems like a pretty good deal as long as they don't all crap out for now things

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look good but it's hard to say what the long-term reliability is going to look

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like I'm hopeful though especially given that none of them died immediately so

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even if they do the fact that we're using ZFS means we should be able to

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resilver and repair the in a pretty safe way yeah I mean most

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hard drives either die like in the first day or you know 3 four 5 years later

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right server part deals also warranties the drives themselves so should be okay

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yeah and full disclosure um I took about

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half of these drives for another project and they were running for 6 months and

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they still don't have errors okay well that's a good sign yeah and to feed my

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data hoarder habits in this economy I actually switched over to recertify

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drives at my house and and I've got two more or three more of them actually that

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have been running for multiple years now and they've been great now a brand new

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exos Drive is going to come with a 5year warranty instead of just two but given

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these are around half the price with halfish the warranty it was kind of

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worth the gamble for me but let us know in the comments if you've had any

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experience with recertified drives either good or bad like I don't know we

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get Flack sometimes when we show a good deal online and then it goes out of

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stock a few hours later and no one else can get the same deal but that shouldn't

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be the case with these there's an entire industry around reusing recertifying and

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refurbishing Enterprise it equipment and there seems to be no shortage of storage

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devices uh one of our favorites is the those jbod disc shelves oh yeah those

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allow you to connect a bunch of hard drives to like an existing system and uh

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across a pretty wild deal on some NVMe ssds when we were researching this

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