WEBVTT 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:09.040 in a recent video we gamed on the first 8K consumer display and the conclusion 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:14.480 we came to was that given all the Hoops we had to jump through to get any more 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:18.039 than 30 htz working at 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:19.640 8K uh pretty much wasn't worth the 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:25.119 hassle and we were going to have to wait for this technology to become practical 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:32.000 but then Sharp Electronics watched that 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:33.559 video and basically said hey um it 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:40.360 really shouldn't be that difficult to get it working all you need is the right 00:00:37.040 --> 00:00:41.600 TV so their commercial display group 00:00:40.360 --> 00:00:44.600 sent over 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:52.800 this Sharp's 00:00:48.120 --> 00:00:56.840 70in akk TV that actually utilizes not 00:00:52.800 --> 00:01:00.359 one not two not three but four 00:00:56.840 --> 00:01:05.040 concurrent HDMI connections to achieve a 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:06.600 true 8K 60 HZ functionality supposedly 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:12.880 with no hassle whatsoever well I have a way of creating 00:01:10.080 --> 00:01:16.439 hassle where no hassle existed before so I truly wish them luck with 00:01:24.520 --> 00:01:31.159 that step number one 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:34.680 stand it's the easy part step number 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:46.719 two power cable still easy step number 00:01:40.880 --> 00:01:46.719 three gaming PC powerful enough to run 00:01:47.880 --> 00:01:50.880 8K 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:56.320 God step four introduce Andy who just 00:01:54.960 --> 00:02:00.119 cleared his probation you don't have to duck from the camera anymore 00:01:57.960 --> 00:02:07.640 dude all right do you want to give me a hand with this sure oh so uh let's go 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:09.720 ahead and I'm going to tip it your way 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:14.640 so we're going to put the stand on with it upside down okay do you want to grab 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:19.400 the that screwdriver yeah I have the screwdriver it's okay I got 00:02:16.720 --> 00:02:22.120 this you can you can trust me he thinks I might drop 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:30.400 it it's fine got to say the packing for this is 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:34.680 definitely more rud I think this is like a a demo unit for 00:02:32.480 --> 00:02:37.800 sending to potential commercial customers or something there's no I 00:02:36.720 --> 00:02:43.080 don't even think there was a remote in the box so really clean looking TV very 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:53.280 little branding got your sharp logo over here Aquos and then you've just got 8K 00:02:46.760 --> 00:02:53.280 7680 by 4320 pixels baby okay here we 00:02:56.560 --> 00:03:05.319 go now these HDMI cables are nothing special but but theoretically each one 00:03:01.640 --> 00:03:08.760 of them is only carrying a 4K 60 signal 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:11.840 which should be fine just fine except 00:03:08.760 --> 00:03:15.280 for one small problem no modern graphics 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:18.920 card contains more than usually one or 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:20.480 two HDMI connections now we tried a 00:03:18.920 --> 00:03:27.440 solution a little while ago where we used four graphics cards in a Quadro 00:03:23.799 --> 00:03:30.040 Mosaic display thing to drive quadrants 00:03:27.440 --> 00:03:35.760 of a monitor it didn't work at all it was super stupid performance sucked but 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:43.000 fortunately adapters to the rescue so these are active display port to HDMI 00:03:39.519 --> 00:03:45.480 2.0 adapters that I acquired for that 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:49.519 failed project and I am hoping to finally see some success with today so 00:03:48.239 --> 00:03:55.599 we're going to get these bad boys plugged in oh 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:59.879 wait 00:03:55.599 --> 00:04:02.640 oh I had this totally wrong before so 00:03:59.879 --> 00:04:08.360 when I pointed at the HDMI ports before that was completely wrong the HDMI ports 00:04:05.239 --> 00:04:12.360 I wanted were down here so these are all 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:16.479 just individual normal HDMI ports this 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:18.680 is a single input input 7 8K signal 00:04:16.479 --> 00:04:24.680 input and it's got like cable management clips for it and all that shiz so just 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:28.639 like that experiment with each separate graphics card running a different 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:34.280 quadrant of the display this display does split input 7 into quadrants but 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:38.880 unlike that one we're using a single graphics card with its single frame 00:04:36.400 --> 00:04:43.320 buffer in order to drive all four quadrants or rather I should say we're 00:04:40.960 --> 00:04:47.800 using two in SLI but they're all hooked up to a single one so we don't need any 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:53.520 kind of external synchronization card or anything like that it th should 00:04:51.080 --> 00:04:59.720 theoretically just work believe it or not this is how they usually run like 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:02.039 future panel technology demos at trade 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:06.000 shows like CES except instead of actually building them into a real 00:05:04.080 --> 00:05:12.199 commercialized product they just do it on like a crazy hand soldered thing that 00:05:08.520 --> 00:05:16.600 sits under the curtain that looks 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:19.520 great I'm like feeling the uh what is it 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:25.120 what was it maxl or something Memorex like you know that classic 00:05:21.960 --> 00:05:28.400 commercial but now it's 8K gaming no 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:31.639 signal from external device hey bottom 00:05:28.400 --> 00:05:31.639 right grabbed a signal 00:05:32.080 --> 00:05:39.240 holy it's on the whole display no hold on a 00:05:36.080 --> 00:05:40.919 minute no way there's no way it's going 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:45.759 to just run 8K effortlessly okay one of them's running 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:47.520 at 50 htz why would that be and how 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:51.639 would that that's bizarre why would anyone want that one running at 50 and 00:05:49.520 --> 00:05:56.199 the other's running at 60 okay let's have a let's have a quick boo here so we 00:05:55.000 --> 00:06:00.639 need to grab some games we're going to get that going but in the 00:05:58.039 --> 00:06:04.880 meantime no this did not quite work perfectly out of the box and I do think 00:06:02.280 --> 00:06:11.400 we have a little bit of configuration to do so let's start by figuring out which 00:06:07.840 --> 00:06:13.720 one of these is broken I suspect the one 00:06:11.400 --> 00:06:18.400 that's running at 50 HZ but uh only one way to find out for 00:06:16.919 --> 00:06:22.080 oh and that wasn't it oh 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:27.360 boy oh boy okay maybe just enter we'll do it no 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:32.440 of course not did it oh boy what is 00:06:34.520 --> 00:06:43.080 oh He's dead Jim this isn't even working in the Bios 00:06:40.479 --> 00:06:48.520 now this is more broken than it was when we started I have a way of creating 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:54.360 hassle where no hassle existed before okay so it's running but still not 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:56.759 correctly however before we move forward 00:06:54.360 --> 00:07:03.240 I've got a bit of an update for you guys as it turns out at least one of the 00:06:59.960 --> 00:07:06.599 problems we had was caused by nvidia's 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:09.440 seemingly arbitrary limitation on their 00:07:06.599 --> 00:07:15.879 consumer graphics cards that only allows you to set up an EnV surround 00:07:11.440 --> 00:07:20.560 configuration with a maximum of three 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:23.879 displays so this system is out and my 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:27.000 test bench is in so we've hooked this up 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:29.639 with two gv100 Quadro graphics cards 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:34.800 these have 32 gigs of RAM over 5,000 and Cuda Cor in terms of their gaming 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:40.280 performance they shouldn't be that far off something like an RTX 2080 I mean 00:07:38.960 --> 00:07:46.240 they're not quite there but they're certainly closer to that than they are to a 1080 TI then we ran into another 00:07:44.599 --> 00:07:51.199 problem remember how I had three of these display port to HDMI adapters well 00:07:49.599 --> 00:07:56.800 these cards only have display port outputs so I had to use display port to 00:07:53.759 --> 00:08:00.080 DVI DVI to HDMI and then that to the TV 00:07:56.800 --> 00:08:03.120 so while we are actually running 00:08:00.080 --> 00:08:05.000 an Nvidia Mosaic configuration here and 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:10.479 we can see that if we pull up the Nvidia control panel and theoretically when we 00:08:07.479 --> 00:08:11.599 go to manage GPU utilization here we're 00:08:10.479 --> 00:08:18.840 running an SLI but the SLI menu item went away once 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:23.840 we configured Mosaic and it doesn't appear that our second GPU is actually 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:30.280 doing anything for now this is what we're stuck with though and damn it I 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:31.879 want to see 8K so 00:08:30.280 --> 00:08:37.760 we've got another one of these display ports HDMI adapters and you guys are 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:40.080 coming with me for the ride of even if 00:08:37.760 --> 00:08:47.560 the performance sucks finally getting an 8K output 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:50.120 here all right once these are numbered 00:08:47.560 --> 00:08:56.040 oh I see that's a new one I have literally never seen it do that before 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:58.079 okay sure why not remember Windows 95 00:08:56.040 --> 00:09:02.600 guys remember you know who I really feel bad for in all of this is is sharp they 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:07.079 reach out they go y you really shouldn't have to jump through a bunch of stupid 00:09:03.920 --> 00:09:09.399 Hoops to get 8K 60 Herz going on a PC 00:09:07.079 --> 00:09:14.040 and as far as I can tell none of this is their fault but this is an awful lot of 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:18.079 stupid Hoops okay so I know set up multiple displays is not the Mosaic 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:23.279 configuration thing but the reason that I set all this up correctly was that I 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:27.440 was hoping that now when we go to set up mosaic it'll kind of grab that 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:35.160 everything is the way it's supposed to be and it'll work come 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:41.160 on okay well it's letting me click next and that's 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:44.800 correct okay let's 00:09:41.160 --> 00:09:46.200 try the other graphics card I don't know 00:09:44.800 --> 00:09:52.839 I did noticed that even though we're plugged into the one that would normally be in the primary slot in the 00:09:48.880 --> 00:09:54.839 motherboard it's identifying as GPU 2 so 00:09:52.839 --> 00:09:57.839 who knows maybe this will help or something 00:10:00.760 --> 00:10:06.320 time for some more lunch frankly I'm pretty close to the 00:10:05.040 --> 00:10:13.000 end of my rope I was doing some offscreen troubleshooting involving uh 00:10:09.160 --> 00:10:16.880 trying older quadros so uh GP 100s 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:20.200 instead of the uh GV 100s I did a full 00:10:16.880 --> 00:10:21.680 platform swap in so motherboard CPU 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:30.360 changed them out I don't know and it's always the 00:10:26.040 --> 00:10:35.000 same thing I click apply it 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:37.560 goes and then there's no finish but I do 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:43.480 not accept that conclusion and I have decided to try one 00:10:42.079 --> 00:10:50.519 last thing we're going to go 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:54.639 AMD okay so according to this community 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:56.040 post it's possible but I think I know 00:10:54.639 --> 00:11:00.320 why it might not be working I think it might just be 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:05.880 grabbing my configuration from Windows and then 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:13.200 assuming that I want a 4x1 okay your display configuration has 00:11:09.160 --> 00:11:16.279 been updated reenable Affinity display 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:19.200 group no 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:24.040 why the fact that it's reenable is what's tripping me out here I don't want 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:25.880 to reenable it I want to enable a new 00:11:24.040 --> 00:11:29.720 different one that is not like what I had before I don't know how to start 00:11:27.880 --> 00:11:35.440 fresh when I disable it and it only prompts me to reenable it just AMD 00:11:32.800 --> 00:11:40.240 things like if only this one thing it would have been easy Nvidia thinks oh 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:45.240 it's not working to be clear neither of them is 00:11:42.560 --> 00:11:49.680 giving me a working 60 HZ 8K display well other than the boneheaded 00:11:47.800 --> 00:11:54.000 driver limitation that doesn't allow me to arrange it in a 2X two this was a 00:11:51.920 --> 00:11:58.040 much better experience but due to the boneheaded driver implementation that 00:11:55.760 --> 00:12:01.920 doesn't let me arrange it in a 2X two I guess we're going back to our next best 00:11:59.680 --> 00:12:05.959 lead which is Quadro to see if maybe we can get that to 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:13.519 work it's been a few more hours and a Lifeline has arrived we now have oh 00:12:10.560 --> 00:12:19.399 no if they only shipped two I'm going to be so 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:22.639 upset one two no there's four 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:25.399 okay the good news though I also reached 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:30.760 out to Sharp and I was like what cables did you guys use to get this working cuz 00:12:28.160 --> 00:12:40.279 they assured me it was be no problem piece of cake piece of crumb cake and 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:43.839 they said they got these cables from PC 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:46.120 cable world I guess so these are display 00:12:43.839 --> 00:12:54.040 port to HDMI cables rather than adapters 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:56.800 theoretically that is exactly the same 00:12:54.040 --> 00:13:02.639 thing but at this point I don't know if I know anything anymore if this doesn't 00:12:59.560 --> 00:13:05.800 work I'm officially 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:07.639 stumped here we go 00:13:05.800 --> 00:13:14.880 one 2 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:17.800 three four wow okay that did grab 4K 60 00:13:14.880 --> 00:13:21.680 HZ on all four of them really fast you have got to be kidding 00:13:21.920 --> 00:13:28.639 me it works oh yeah 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:33.040 so after all 00:13:33.079 --> 00:13:42.079 that with adapters we could do four times 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:44.240 4K but heaven forbid we want to run them 00:13:42.079 --> 00:13:51.279 in Mosaic on Nvidia with adapters on AMD we could do 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:58.360 4X one at 4K but heaven forbid we want to 00:13:54.920 --> 00:14:01.000 rearrange them like this oh it stopped 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:04.680 wait what like stop stop don't do like whatever you're changing now control 00:14:02.839 --> 00:14:10.759 panel stop changing it because everything is working this is right stop 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:13.320 stop changing things finish finish oh 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:20.199 could I just could I just kill the task I wonder if I can just kill the task 00:14:15.800 --> 00:14:22.240 Nvidia control panel end task it 00:14:20.199 --> 00:14:30.320 worked 100% scaling show me that native AK baby 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:32.320 wow 60 htz 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:37.720 akk there it is launching 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:40.519 ano so at 8K Max draw distance the game 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:46.680 wouldn't even launch but we've got it at full medium 8K but there's bad news too 00:14:43.560 --> 00:14:51.120 it drops to 30 frames per second in the 00:14:46.680 --> 00:14:54.560 menu when it sits at 60 at the main menu 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:58.040 this does not bode well for performance 00:14:54.560 --> 00:15:00.360 wow this is so like 00:14:58.040 --> 00:15:05.350 disorienting sitting this close to the city one of the issues with this game's 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:07.279 interface in 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:12.800 general and we're back so one of the problems that I have with this game in 00:15:11.040 --> 00:15:17.600 general is that you can't zoom the interface out far enough and I 00:15:14.680 --> 00:15:22.320 especially feel it like this cuz sitting this close to it honestly is very 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:26.720 comfortable in terms of the detail of the game like even at the max zoom level 00:15:25.079 --> 00:15:35.160 let's go ahead and find one of our wood cutters again here this guy walking as 00:15:31.079 --> 00:15:37.920 cow that is UNF freaking believable I 00:15:35.160 --> 00:15:44.199 don't even have anti-aliasing on I have zero anti-aliasing on right now can you 00:15:40.319 --> 00:15:46.839 believe that Brandon doesn't that look 00:15:44.199 --> 00:15:51.639 nuts man that's crazy I love it so that was it for ano 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:56.639 now we're firing up shadow of the Tomb Raider to see how a uh like a third 00:15:54.319 --> 00:16:01.839 person Adventure game feels at 8K so far pretty good 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:07.399 I mean it's obviously not running great uh we're looking at about 7 to 20 FPS in 00:16:05.040 --> 00:16:14.480 menu and that's reported by fraps that's clearly not even accurate wow the 00:16:11.319 --> 00:16:18.279 hair and this is with no 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:21.279 anti-aliasing is incredible hey 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:23.680 huh actually in motion it's not nearly 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:28.639 as convincing part of that could be the 19 frame per second performance though 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:33.959 you know say what you will about Nvidia art R TX and the performance impact and 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:40.240 all that but you've got to respect Nvidia for recognizing that resolution 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:42.680 is no longer the biggest bottleneck in 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:50.000 gaming image quality and just trying something anything else cuz sitting at a 00:16:45.160 --> 00:16:53.480 reasonable distance like yeah that looks 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:55.880 crisp AF but is it really that much 00:16:53.480 --> 00:17:02.360 better than 4K that does look real sharp though 00:16:59.680 --> 00:17:08.679 pardon the pun so there you go guys about 15 grand worth of Graphics 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:10.640 horsepower we're looking at 20 FPS 00:17:08.679 --> 00:17:14.600 average pretty sick let's see how many FPS we get in 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:21.160 rocket League hey Riley you want to play rocket league for me help me Riley what 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:24.480 play at 8K whoa what really it's at 8K 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:27.199 yeah whoa that is your keyboard working 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:31.679 hold on there you go wait what there you go okay whoa 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:39.679 like it's one thing being this close to like a huge TV like this but it is like 00:17:35.080 --> 00:17:42.160 actually sharp oh yeah is it a sharp tv 00:17:39.679 --> 00:17:46.559 yeah like everything down to the tread like you can really tell that the the 00:17:44.600 --> 00:17:52.200 video crowd is just balls yeah cuz they look so sharp yeah I 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:56.440 have never seen this game look this good so could you get into playing on a big 00:17:54.360 --> 00:18:01.080 screen like this size at this kind of resolution I think I could get into it 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:08.120 yeah probably so I guess that's pretty much the conclusion of this video is AK 00:18:04.520 --> 00:18:10.200 cool yeah really freaking cool it's 00:18:08.120 --> 00:18:16.520 glitchy right now and we don't have the performance that we need for it to run 00:18:12.280 --> 00:18:18.679 its best but when it works man is that 00:18:16.520 --> 00:18:23.200 incredible now I don't think that sitting this close to a TV in order to 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:28.280 appreciate the extra sharpness that at provides is necessarily practical but 00:18:26.120 --> 00:18:32.240 that doesn't mean that in applications like V are where the display is much 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:38.000 closer to your eyes and you really need that resolution so you don't get a screen door effect that it won't be an 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:43.240 incredible Difference Maker moving forward we just need much more powerful 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:46.720 graphics cards and obviously some work on the software side but with the whole 00:18:45.159 --> 00:18:50.559 you know not wanting to crash all the time and all that speaking of not 00:18:49.080 --> 00:18:54.039 wanting to crash all the time I'd hate for you guys to get bored and crash out 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:58.799 of this video before I tell you about our sponsor the Mast drop hd6xx 00:18:56.880 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