1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:09,040 in a recent video we gamed on the first 8K consumer display and the conclusion 2 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:14,480 we came to was that given all the Hoops we had to jump through to get any more 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:18,039 than 30 htz working at 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:19,640 8K uh pretty much wasn't worth the 5 00:00:18,039 --> 00:00:25,119 hassle and we were going to have to wait for this technology to become practical 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:32,000 but then Sharp Electronics watched that 7 00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:33,559 video and basically said hey um it 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:40,360 really shouldn't be that difficult to get it working all you need is the right 9 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:41,600 TV so their commercial display group 10 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,600 sent over 11 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:52,800 this Sharp's 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:56,840 70in akk TV that actually utilizes not 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:01:00,359 one not two not three but four 14 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:05,040 concurrent HDMI connections to achieve a 15 00:01:00,359 --> 00:01:06,600 true 8K 60 HZ functionality supposedly 16 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:12,880 with no hassle whatsoever well I have a way of creating 17 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:16,439 hassle where no hassle existed before so I truly wish them luck with 18 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:31,159 that step number one 19 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:34,680 stand it's the easy part step number 20 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:46,719 two power cable still easy step number 21 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:46,719 three gaming PC powerful enough to run 22 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,880 8K 23 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,320 God step four introduce Andy who just 24 00:01:54,960 --> 00:02:00,119 cleared his probation you don't have to duck from the camera anymore 25 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:07,640 dude all right do you want to give me a hand with this sure oh so uh let's go 26 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:09,720 ahead and I'm going to tip it your way 27 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:14,640 so we're going to put the stand on with it upside down okay do you want to grab 28 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:19,400 the that screwdriver yeah I have the screwdriver it's okay I got 29 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:22,120 this you can you can trust me he thinks I might drop 30 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:30,400 it it's fine got to say the packing for this is 31 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:34,680 definitely more rud I think this is like a a demo unit for 32 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,800 sending to potential commercial customers or something there's no I 33 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:43,080 don't even think there was a remote in the box so really clean looking TV very 34 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:53,280 little branding got your sharp logo over here Aquos and then you've just got 8K 35 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:53,280 7680 by 4320 pixels baby okay here we 36 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:05,319 go now these HDMI cables are nothing special but but theoretically each one 37 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:08,760 of them is only carrying a 4K 60 signal 38 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:11,840 which should be fine just fine except 39 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:15,280 for one small problem no modern graphics 40 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:18,920 card contains more than usually one or 41 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:20,480 two HDMI connections now we tried a 42 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:27,440 solution a little while ago where we used four graphics cards in a Quadro 43 00:03:23,799 --> 00:03:30,040 Mosaic display thing to drive quadrants 44 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:35,760 of a monitor it didn't work at all it was super stupid performance sucked but 45 00:03:33,159 --> 00:03:43,000 fortunately adapters to the rescue so these are active DisplayPort to HDMI 46 00:03:39,519 --> 00:03:45,480 2.0 adapters that I acquired for that 47 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:49,519 failed project and I am hoping to finally see some success with today so 48 00:03:48,239 --> 00:03:55,599 we're going to get these bad boys plugged in oh 49 00:03:52,599 --> 00:03:59,879 wait 50 00:03:55,599 --> 00:04:02,640 oh I had this totally wrong before so 51 00:03:59,879 --> 00:04:08,360 when I pointed at the HDMI ports before that was completely wrong the HDMI ports 52 00:04:05,239 --> 00:04:12,360 I wanted were down here so these are all 53 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:16,479 just individual normal HDMI ports this 54 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:18,680 is a single input input 7 8K signal 55 00:04:16,479 --> 00:04:24,680 input and it's got like cable management clips for it and all that shiz so just 56 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:28,639 like that experiment with each separate graphics card running a different 57 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:34,280 quadrant of the display this display does split input 7 into quadrants but 58 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:38,880 unlike that one we're using a single graphics card with its single frame 59 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:43,320 buffer in order to drive all four quadrants or rather I should say we're 60 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:47,800 using two in SLI but they're all hooked up to a single one so we don't need any 61 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:53,520 kind of external synchronization card or anything like that it th should 62 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:59,720 theoretically just work believe it or not this is how they usually run like 63 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:02,039 future panel technology demos at trade 64 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:06,000 shows like CES except instead of actually building them into a real 65 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:12,199 commercialized product they just do it on like a crazy hand soldered thing that 66 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:16,600 sits under the curtain that looks 67 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:19,520 great I'm like feeling the uh what is it 68 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:25,120 what was it maxl or something Memorex like you know that classic 69 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:28,400 commercial but now it's 8K gaming no 70 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:31,639 signal from external device hey bottom 71 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,639 right grabbed a signal 72 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:39,240 holy it's on the whole display no hold on a 73 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,919 minute no way there's no way it's going 74 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:45,759 to just run 8K effortlessly okay one of them's running 75 00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:47,520 at 50 htz why would that be and how 76 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:51,639 would that that's bizarre why would anyone want that one running at 50 and 77 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:56,199 the other's running at 60 okay let's have a let's have a quick boo here so we 78 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:00,639 need to grab some games we're going to get that going but in the 79 00:05:58,039 --> 00:06:04,880 meantime no this did not quite work perfectly out of the box and I do think 80 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:11,400 we have a little bit of configuration to do so let's start by figuring out which 81 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:13,720 one of these is broken I suspect the one 82 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:18,400 that's running at 50 HZ but uh only one way to find out for 83 00:06:16,919 --> 00:06:22,080 oh and that wasn't it oh 84 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:27,360 boy oh boy okay maybe just enter we'll do it no 85 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:32,440 of course not did it oh boy what is 86 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:43,080 oh He's dead Jim this isn't even working in the BIOS 87 00:06:40,479 --> 00:06:48,520 now this is more broken than it was when we started I have a way of creating 88 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:54,360 hassle where no hassle existed before okay so it's running but still not 89 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:56,759 correctly however before we move forward 90 00:06:54,360 --> 00:07:03,240 I've got a bit of an update for you guys as it turns out at least one of the 91 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:06,599 problems we had was caused by NVIDIA's 92 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:09,440 seemingly arbitrary limitation on their 93 00:07:06,599 --> 00:07:15,879 consumer graphics cards that only allows you to set up an EnV surround 94 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:20,560 configuration with a maximum of three 95 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:23,879 displays so this system is out and my 96 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:27,000 test bench is in so we've hooked this up 97 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:29,639 with two gv100 Quadro graphics cards 98 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:34,800 these have 32 gigs of RAM over 5,000 and Cuda Cor in terms of their gaming 99 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:40,280 performance they shouldn't be that far off something like an RTX 2080 I mean 100 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:46,240 they're not quite there but they're certainly closer to that than they are to a 1080 TI then we ran into another 101 00:07:44,599 --> 00:07:51,199 problem remember how I had three of these DisplayPort to HDMI adapters well 102 00:07:49,599 --> 00:07:56,800 these cards only have DisplayPort outputs so I had to use DisplayPort to 103 00:07:53,759 --> 00:08:00,080 DVI DVI to HDMI and then that to the TV 104 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:03,120 so while we are actually running 105 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:05,000 an NVIDIA Mosaic configuration here and 106 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:10,479 we can see that if we pull up the NVIDIA control panel and theoretically when we 107 00:08:07,479 --> 00:08:11,599 go to manage GPU utilization here we're 108 00:08:10,479 --> 00:08:18,840 running an SLI but the SLI menu item went away once 109 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:23,840 we configured Mosaic and it doesn't appear that our second GPU is actually 110 00:08:21,319 --> 00:08:30,280 doing anything for now this is what we're stuck with though and damn it I 111 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:31,879 want to see 8K so 112 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:37,760 we've got another one of these display ports HDMI adapters and you guys are 113 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:40,080 coming with me for the ride of even if 114 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:47,560 the performance sucks finally getting an 8K output 115 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:50,120 here all right once these are numbered 116 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:56,040 oh I see that's a new one I have literally never seen it do that before 117 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:58,079 okay sure why not remember Windows 95 118 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:02,600 guys remember you know who I really feel bad for in all of this is is sharp they 119 00:09:00,519 --> 00:09:07,079 reach out they go y you really shouldn't have to jump through a bunch of stupid 120 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:09,399 Hoops to get 8K 60 Herz going on a PC 121 00:09:07,079 --> 00:09:14,040 and as far as I can tell none of this is their fault but this is an awful lot of 122 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:18,079 stupid Hoops okay so I know set up multiple displays is not the Mosaic 123 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:23,279 configuration thing but the reason that I set all this up correctly was that I 124 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:27,440 was hoping that now when we go to set up mosaic it'll kind of grab that 125 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:35,160 everything is the way it's supposed to be and it'll work come 126 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:41,160 on okay well it's letting me click next and that's 127 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:44,800 correct okay let's 128 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:46,200 try the other graphics card I don't know 129 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:52,839 I did noticed that even though we're plugged into the one that would normally be in the primary slot in the 130 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:54,839 motherboard it's identifying as GPU 2 so 131 00:09:52,839 --> 00:09:57,839 who knows maybe this will help or something 132 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:06,320 time for some more lunch frankly I'm pretty close to the 133 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:13,000 end of my rope I was doing some offscreen troubleshooting involving uh 134 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:16,880 trying older quadros so uh GP 100s 135 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:20,200 instead of the uh GV 100s I did a full 136 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:21,680 platform swap in so motherboard CPU 137 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:30,360 changed them out I don't know and it's always the 138 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:35,000 same thing I click apply it 139 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:37,560 goes and then there's no finish but I do 140 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:43,480 not accept that conclusion and I have decided to try one 141 00:10:42,079 --> 00:10:50,519 last thing we're going to go 142 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:54,639 AMD okay so according to this community 143 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:56,040 post it's possible but I think I know 144 00:10:54,639 --> 00:11:00,320 why it might not be working I think it might just be 145 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:05,880 grabbing my configuration from Windows and then 146 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:13,200 assuming that I want a 4x1 okay your display configuration has 147 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:16,279 been updated reenable Affinity display 148 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:19,200 group no 149 00:11:16,279 --> 00:11:24,040 why the fact that it's reenable is what's tripping me out here I don't want 150 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,880 to reenable it I want to enable a new 151 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:29,720 different one that is not like what I had before I don't know how to start 152 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:35,440 fresh when I disable it and it only prompts me to reenable it just AMD 153 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:40,240 things like if only this one thing it would have been easy NVIDIA thinks oh 154 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:45,240 it's not working to be clear neither of them is 155 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:49,680 giving me a working 60 HZ 8K display well other than the boneheaded 156 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:54,000 driver limitation that doesn't allow me to arrange it in a 2X two this was a 157 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:58,040 much better experience but due to the boneheaded driver implementation that 158 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:01,920 doesn't let me arrange it in a 2X two I guess we're going back to our next best 159 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:05,959 lead which is Quadro to see if maybe we can get that to 160 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:13,519 work it's been a few more hours and a Lifeline has arrived we now have oh 161 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:19,399 no if they only shipped two I'm going to be so 162 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:22,639 upset one two no there's four 163 00:12:19,399 --> 00:12:25,399 okay the good news though I also reached 164 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:30,760 out to Sharp and I was like what cables did you guys use to get this working cuz 165 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:40,279 they assured me it was be no problem piece of cake piece of crumb cake and 166 00:12:34,639 --> 00:12:43,839 they said they got these cables from PC 167 00:12:40,279 --> 00:12:46,120 cable world I guess so these are display 168 00:12:43,839 --> 00:12:54,040 port to HDMI cables rather than adapters 169 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:56,800 theoretically that is exactly the same 170 00:12:54,040 --> 00:13:02,639 thing but at this point I don't know if I know anything anymore if this doesn't 171 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:05,800 work I'm officially 172 00:13:02,639 --> 00:13:07,639 stumped here we go 173 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:14,880 one 2 174 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:17,800 three four wow okay that did grab 4K 60 175 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:21,680 HZ on all four of them really fast you have got to be kidding 176 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:28,639 me it works oh yeah 177 00:13:29,639 --> 00:13:33,040 so after all 178 00:13:33,079 --> 00:13:42,079 that with adapters we could do four times 179 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:44,240 4K but heaven forbid we want to run them 180 00:13:42,079 --> 00:13:51,279 in Mosaic on NVIDIA with adapters on AMD we could do 181 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:58,360 4X one at 4K but heaven forbid we want to 182 00:13:54,920 --> 00:14:01,000 rearrange them like this oh it stopped 183 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:04,680 wait what like stop stop don't do like whatever you're changing now control 184 00:14:02,839 --> 00:14:10,759 panel stop changing it because everything is working this is right stop 185 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:13,320 stop changing things finish finish oh 186 00:14:10,759 --> 00:14:20,199 could I just could I just kill the task I wonder if I can just kill the task 187 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:22,240 NVIDIA control panel end task it 188 00:14:20,199 --> 00:14:30,320 worked 100% scaling show me that native AK baby 189 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:32,320 wow 60 htz 190 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:37,720 akk there it is launching 191 00:14:34,519 --> 00:14:40,519 ano so at 8K Max draw distance the game 192 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:46,680 wouldn't even launch but we've got it at full medium 8K but there's bad news too 193 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:51,120 it drops to 30 frames per second in the 194 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:54,560 menu when it sits at 60 at the main menu 195 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:58,040 this does not bode well for performance 196 00:14:54,560 --> 00:15:00,360 wow this is so like 197 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:05,350 disorienting sitting this close to the city one of the issues with this game's 198 00:15:02,639 --> 00:15:07,279 interface in 199 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:12,800 general and we're back so one of the problems that I have with this game in 200 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:17,600 general is that you can't zoom the interface out far enough and I 201 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:22,320 especially feel it like this cuz sitting this close to it honestly is very 202 00:15:20,759 --> 00:15:26,720 comfortable in terms of the detail of the game like even at the max zoom level 203 00:15:25,079 --> 00:15:35,160 let's go ahead and find one of our wood cutters again here this guy walking as 204 00:15:31,079 --> 00:15:37,920 cow that is UNF freaking believable I 205 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:44,199 don't even have anti-aliasing on I have zero anti-aliasing on right now can you 206 00:15:40,319 --> 00:15:46,839 believe that Brandon doesn't that look 207 00:15:44,199 --> 00:15:51,639 nuts man that's crazy I love it so that was it for ano 208 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:56,639 now we're firing up shadow of the Tomb Raider to see how a uh like a third 209 00:15:54,319 --> 00:16:01,839 person Adventure game feels at 8K so far pretty good 210 00:15:59,639 --> 00:16:07,399 I mean it's obviously not running great uh we're looking at about 7 to 20 FPS in 211 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:14,480 menu and that's reported by fraps that's clearly not even accurate wow the 212 00:16:11,319 --> 00:16:18,279 hair and this is with no 213 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:21,279 anti-aliasing is incredible hey 214 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:23,680 huh actually in motion it's not nearly 215 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:28,639 as convincing part of that could be the 19 frame per second performance though 216 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:33,959 you know say what you will about NVIDIA art R TX and the performance impact and 217 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:40,240 all that but you've got to respect NVIDIA for recognizing that resolution 218 00:16:36,279 --> 00:16:42,680 is no longer the biggest bottleneck in 219 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:50,000 gaming image quality and just trying something anything else cuz sitting at a 220 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:53,480 reasonable distance like yeah that looks 221 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:55,880 crisp AF but is it really that much 222 00:16:53,480 --> 00:17:02,360 better than 4K that does look real sharp though 223 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:08,679 pardon the pun so there you go guys about 15 grand worth of Graphics 224 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:10,640 horsepower we're looking at 20 FPS 225 00:17:08,679 --> 00:17:14,600 average pretty sick let's see how many FPS we get in 226 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:21,160 rocket League hey Riley you want to play rocket league for me help me Riley what 227 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:24,480 play at 8K whoa what really it's at 8K 228 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:27,199 yeah whoa that is your keyboard working 229 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:31,679 hold on there you go wait what there you go okay whoa 230 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:39,679 like it's one thing being this close to like a huge TV like this but it is like 231 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:42,160 actually sharp oh yeah is it a sharp tv 232 00:17:39,679 --> 00:17:46,559 yeah like everything down to the tread like you can really tell that the the 233 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:52,200 video crowd is just balls yeah cuz they look so sharp yeah I 234 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:56,440 have never seen this game look this good so could you get into playing on a big 235 00:17:54,360 --> 00:18:01,080 screen like this size at this kind of resolution I think I could get into it 236 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:08,120 yeah probably so I guess that's pretty much the conclusion of this video is AK 237 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:10,200 cool yeah really freaking cool it's 238 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:16,520 glitchy right now and we don't have the performance that we need for it to run 239 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:18,679 its best but when it works man is that 240 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:23,200 incredible now I don't think that sitting this close to a TV in order to 241 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:28,280 appreciate the 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