WEBVTT 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:06.400 you guys loved our last video using a high-speed camera to investigate the 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:11.040 real-world performance impact of upgrading to a high refresh rate gaming 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:16.960 monitor but you also had some feedback on both our testing methodology and our 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:20.880 gaming skills so for round two we reached out to NVIDIA for the 00:00:18.560 --> 00:00:25.439 sponsorship we needed to take our test to the next level thanks to them we are 00:00:23.279 --> 00:00:30.320 on location in the santa ana esports arena we've got a much wider variety of 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:34.559 tests and systems and we were able to get some very special guests to come and 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:38.960 participate representing the filthy casuals we've got yours truly and paul 00:00:37.040 --> 00:00:44.239 from paul's hardware and we are going to get truly embarrassed today because in 00:00:41.680 --> 00:00:48.079 the pro gamer tier we've got corey here from the washington justice esports team 00:00:46.559 --> 00:00:53.280 i've kind of a general idea of what i'm doing today then we've got a couple of 00:00:50.480 --> 00:01:00.399 outstanding twitch streamers mr grimms going from 144 to 240 kind of felt like 00:00:56.559 --> 00:01:03.600 a slight upgrade for me and as so very 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:06.799 many of you requested the one and only 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:09.119 shroud going from 60 to 144 is like 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:14.799 night and day for me obviously right but 144 to 240. 00:01:11.520 --> 00:01:16.720 so let's get down to business shall we 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:22.159 so to measure the impact of monitor refresh rate and FPS in game on our 00:01:19.759 --> 00:01:27.680 subjects we've built a suite of five tests going from synthetic reaction time 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:33.439 tests to aiming tests to putting the whole thing together so behind me i have 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:39.439 three identical systems except that they've got one key trait modified so 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:45.280 they're all running core i9 9900k processors they're all running the same 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:47.920 acer predator 240hz displays 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:52.799 but their graphics cards have been altered system number one is running an 00:01:50.320 --> 00:01:57.920 rtx 2060 super which is capable of running our test games today at anywhere 00:01:54.479 --> 00:02:00.079 from around 250 to 300 frames per second 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:06.479 and its monitor has been completely uncapped to 240 hertz this is our best 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:10.720 case scenario for competitive gamers or so we think we'll see how the results 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:14.560 go today system number two is at the other end of the spectrum so our monitor 00:02:12.720 --> 00:02:19.520 refresh rate has been turned all the way down to 60 hertz but we went even 00:02:17.200 --> 00:02:25.440 further than that because having a very high performance graphics card on a 60hz 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:27.680 display still does actually give you 00:02:25.440 --> 00:02:32.080 better responsiveness than if you had a lower performance graphics card so we 00:02:29.760 --> 00:02:39.840 have dropped our GPU all the way down to a gtx 750. this is going to give us 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:42.080 anywhere from 70 to 85 FPS in our games 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:46.720 and finally by popular request representing the middle ground we've got 00:02:43.760 --> 00:02:52.480 our third monitor dialed into 144 hertz and hooked up to a gtx 1650 that is 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:58.239 going to push anywhere from around 150 to 185 200 FPS now just like last time 00:02:56.640 --> 00:03:01.840 our test subjects are going to have no idea what hardware they're sitting down 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:06.000 in front of until they actually start to game and we're going to be using 00:03:03.920 --> 00:03:10.560 high-speed cameras to record not just their test scores that we could get out 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:15.360 of the software but also the exact points they're aiming at and even how 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:20.080 they aim so pulling that duty we've got a couple of prototype cameras from our 00:03:17.519 --> 00:03:25.599 homeboys chronos that are capable of 1080p capture at a thousand FPS for 10 00:03:23.440 --> 00:03:30.319 seconds at a time each giving us a total of 20 seconds of thousand FPS capture 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:36.480 now because that's not long enough for some of our tests pulling backup duty 00:03:32.640 --> 00:03:40.959 today is our red epic w 8k camera that 00:03:36.480 --> 00:03:42.879 is going to be running at 1080p 240 FPS 00:03:40.959 --> 00:03:46.959 hey how's it going dude it's good 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:51.680 yeah okay so we set it up so that while we are 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:56.799 running in engine tests in game tests rather than just like a 00:03:54.080 --> 00:04:01.519 web browser-based skills trainer the tests are really designed to test your 00:03:59.200 --> 00:04:06.159 skills as opposed to test your ability at a game we actually had some special 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:09.840 development done for this video in the yprac game trainer so that we could get 00:04:07.760 --> 00:04:13.599 exactly the data that we were after okay and what is ypak it's a workshop map by 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:16.479 jasper that's basically like a combination of a whole bunch of 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:20.239 different skills training things that you can do testing your reaction time 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:25.040 testing your flick shot aiming capabilities uh your your flow 00:04:23.280 --> 00:04:28.639 kill rates as you have enemies popping up in a shooting gallery all kinds of 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:32.960 cool stuff okay so we got a lot of tests we've got five different tests and we're 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:37.280 gonna run them until we start to see statistical convergence and we can be 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:45.360 confident in our results per gamer so you'll be trying at three different 00:04:39.520 --> 00:04:47.280 frame rates 60 FPS 240 FPS and 144 FPS 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:51.120 to determine where is that point of diminishing returns or 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:56.960 does FPS make a difference at all are great gamers just great gamers is it FPS 00:04:54.400 --> 00:05:01.199 difference or and hertz or is it just FPS you know what i'm saying what a 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:04.800 wonderful question i am so glad to be working with people who get it today 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:10.080 this is awesome so that matters because if you're running a 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:14.880 60hz display but your graphics card is pumping out 300 frames per second in cs 00:05:12.960 --> 00:05:19.680 go and your frame rate capped you are effectively getting much newer 00:05:17.440 --> 00:05:22.639 information on screen than you would be if your graphics card was only 00:05:20.880 --> 00:05:28.240 outputting let's say 70 75 frames per second so i was 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:31.680 actually really late to the 120 hertz uh monitor change so when i played 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:35.600 counter-strike i played on 60 hertz and all the top players i had no money at 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:40.639 the time because i was really young and all the top players had 120 hertz they were on that new new 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:45.520 right and i was sitting there and i was on 60 and i was still doing great i swapped to 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:49.360 120 honestly it didn't really change that much so i do 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:53.840 really think that if somebody played on a 60hz long enough they would play just 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:57.600 the same as playing as 144 long enough i guess we'll find out 00:05:55.600 --> 00:06:02.080 well there's a lot of that today uh so i'm cory i go by corey inside of 00:06:00.080 --> 00:06:06.960 game and i'm a damage dealer for the washington justice in overwatch uh i 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:10.560 didn't really start using like 144 240 until i started playing overwatch 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:13.759 interesting so that was quite recent for you then you're a late converter 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:18.720 how much of an improvement are you expecting to see going from 60 frames 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:21.680 per second to 144 and then from 144 to 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:25.840 240. 60 to 144 is like a huge jump like 70 like you feel the difference yeah you 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:29.520 immediately see it yeah uh you really have to be looking for that 144 to 240 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:34.400 yeah to really notice it but i'd say there's definitely a jump like a smaller 00:06:31.280 --> 00:06:36.080 jump to the other maybe like 20 okay 00:06:34.400 --> 00:06:39.520 started on twitch about like four plus years ago i got really into i actually 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:43.199 started with fighting games believe it or not got into shooters about like a 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:46.400 year later and then i just kind of basically just rode the wave of like all 00:06:45.039 --> 00:06:50.960 the FPS uh you know evolution from like h1z1 to 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:56.240 like pubg and all the games that you know today i understand i'm supposed to 00:06:52.960 --> 00:06:57.919 be representing a certain class of gamer 00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:01.599 uh you told me it was probably the best the best of the best the technology 00:06:59.520 --> 00:07:05.840 enthusiast class of gamer someone someone who builds more gaming 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:11.520 computers than actually plays video games yes we've got five different tests and 00:07:09.520 --> 00:07:16.160 we're gonna run them until we start to see statistical convergence and we can 00:07:13.599 --> 00:07:19.360 be confident in our results per gamer test number one today is pure reaction 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:25.039 time shroud clicks in order to indicate that he's ready for the test to begin and as 00:07:23.039 --> 00:07:29.680 soon as it turns green he clicks again as quickly as he can 00:07:27.039 --> 00:07:33.280 this tells us his raw reflexes do you want a red bull 00:07:31.840 --> 00:07:37.120 what about coffee have coffee but have a little bit of 00:07:35.039 --> 00:07:40.720 coffee sips it at every stage yeah you sip it at every stage 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:45.120 so this is a great discussion mike was hankering for a coffee and we actually 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:50.000 turned them down because we shot the tests out of order and we've already 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:55.360 done one without caffeine in the system so now we're just gonna have to see 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:58.879 just that's this is it your biological steady state i'm slow 00:07:57.039 --> 00:08:02.960 i'm sorry i'm slow yeah i just don't i don't think for this 00:08:00.960 --> 00:08:05.680 test specifically i don't think 60 240 144 i don't think it's gonna make a 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:09.840 difference because you're i mean the only time you feel 60 versus 00:08:07.919 --> 00:08:13.360 240 is when you're moving around like so and you can feel like the tear and 00:08:11.919 --> 00:08:18.000 everything and it's just something that you're not used to but when you're standing still it's all the same so i 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:22.400 don't think anyone knows the difference in my mind i know that it does not feel 00:08:20.960 --> 00:08:26.800 good right because i'm on 60 and i'm like oh this feels terrible but i 00:08:24.479 --> 00:08:31.360 actually haven't done legitimate like stats and break it down and like maybe i 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:34.640 did get less kills no i haven't wow so 00:08:32.800 --> 00:08:38.640 one of the things our audience asked us to figure out is whether you are in fact 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:43.599 human and with that kind of consistency yes i 00:08:40.959 --> 00:08:47.920 can't say that i'm sure that's really good is it 00:08:45.680 --> 00:08:56.000 yeah i mean so consistent back in my glory days 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:57.600 maybe 1.5 consistent 1.72 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:02.320 now some of our tests are purely synthetic and a couple of them are 00:08:59.920 --> 00:09:06.800 really focused on your reaction time now everyone knows that gamers are basically 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:11.040 over the hill by the time they turn 30. are you expecting your youth to be an 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:15.600 advantage in those kinds of tests versus someone like me i'm 33 00:09:12.959 --> 00:09:17.600 i would say yeah a little bit wow what a dick you know what this interview is 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:22.880 over i mean it helps a little bit i'd say a lot of it comes down to practice in the 00:09:21.040 --> 00:09:26.480 game because being used to be able to see like certain things like i was 00:09:24.640 --> 00:09:29.279 watching sure i'll do the off in the middle of the double doors and if you're 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:34.480 not familiar with doing that every single day then uh it would kind of make a little bit of 00:09:32.959 --> 00:09:40.160 a difference sure test number two is still a reaction time 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:47.760 test but this time it's a practical one the classic double doors sniper position 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:49.519 on dust2 so once you shoot to start 00:09:47.760 --> 00:09:54.399 at random intervals a counter-terrorist player is going to 00:09:51.680 --> 00:09:58.800 run across the door and jump across now these are bots so it will be in exactly 00:09:56.880 --> 00:10:02.320 the same location every time so right there on the second line on the truck 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:06.480 there is about where he's gonna cross okay so this isn't about aiming it's not 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:11.519 about just keeping it steady clicking when i can correct okay how how am i 00:10:08.880 --> 00:10:14.880 missing right now this is are we on 64 take 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:21.600 i'm telling you i hit this guy at least three times okay that was a whiff but 00:10:16.880 --> 00:10:24.480 this is bad i guess this is a hard man 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:24.480 i'll get him eventually 00:10:24.880 --> 00:10:32.079 oh boy i got nothing zero 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:34.000 how is that even possible 00:10:32.079 --> 00:10:37.519 i it looks to me like he's hitting it just so you guys know we double checked 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:41.200 the server tick it's 128 that's not the issue it's not good 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:46.560 i'm sorry Linus well don't apologize to me apologize to 00:10:42.959 --> 00:10:48.079 the millions of viewers oh okay 00:10:46.560 --> 00:10:51.920 can you explain to both of us the science behind why those shots looked 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:56.240 like they were hitting but did not register yeah so at 60 00:10:54.560 --> 00:11:00.160 frames and hertz you're kind of getting delay in two areas you're getting delay 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:03.200 from the game state to what's actually being shown on screen so the guy is 00:11:01.839 --> 00:11:10.240 actually in a little bit different spot because the rendering took long enough to reach your monitor additionally your 00:11:06.959 --> 00:11:11.440 input is also delayed so when you click 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:16.079 that is going to take a little bit longer time to actually reach the game site so you're getting 00:11:14.560 --> 00:11:21.200 you're getting kind of latency in both directions that's pretty cool is there anything i 00:11:18.880 --> 00:11:24.880 don't know and you can see we have multiple frames 00:11:23.040 --> 00:11:28.079 of our thousand frame per second camera that correspond to a single 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:31.839 frame on the monitor because it's only refreshing 60 times a second right so i 00:11:29.839 --> 00:11:35.279 go scroll through pretty quick here so that was a clear miss yeah 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:38.959 but this one up here how uh how tippy toes 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:43.760 can you get cause we can't really adjust this right now i'm good okay 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:47.440 so this one right here there's your crosshair 00:11:45.760 --> 00:11:51.680 that one's more arguable you kind of hit him in the tush 00:11:50.160 --> 00:11:56.399 so that tiny difference could be exactly what 00:11:53.600 --> 00:12:00.079 was just explained to us then maybe interesting hey i hope so because that 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:04.320 makes me look real bad so i'm going to tell you something you 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:08.160 absolutely smoked shroud and corey in that test at 60 hertz do you think you 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:11.920 could train up at 60 and hit as many targets as you did at a higher 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:15.519 refreshment yeah definitely yeah i can't because honestly like when i was kind of 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:20.639 like going through the test and i was kind of feeling like you know that slight delay it's 00:12:18.959 --> 00:12:24.399 almost like a pattern right you don't want to press it too fast otherwise 00:12:22.800 --> 00:12:27.839 you're just going to come up short so like i mentioned before like i came 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:31.200 from fighting games right we had like a big uh delay between like xbox and 00:12:30.079 --> 00:12:36.560 playstation especially when it comes down like three frame inputs and stuff like that for 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:39.360 this one it's a little similar if you press it too soon even though you feel 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:43.760 like you're confident you're gonna hit it right on the target you're gonna hit it way before so you have to like kind 00:12:42.160 --> 00:12:47.360 of enter in your head that it's it's like a slight pattern because this one 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:50.399 you have to like master a delay with the higher refresh rate you just have to 00:12:48.800 --> 00:12:56.000 master more of a reaction time i would say like it it's more on towards that 00:12:53.600 --> 00:12:59.760 aspect high refresh rate doesn't make you a better gamer but it makes it 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:04.800 easier to be a better gamer i would say so yeah uh i am older now i'm a dad 00:13:04.880 --> 00:13:09.680 not that that affects your reaction time it shouldn't get through your reaction did you get a good night's sleep last 00:13:08.800 --> 00:13:15.519 night you know it wasn't bad it wasn't bad i only got up twice to change diapers 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:21.760 if it makes you feel any better shroud only hit 2 out of 30 on this really yeah 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:25.600 and same for corey the legitimate actual professional gamer oh 00:13:23.680 --> 00:13:29.760 so the reason you're saying that i should also be a legitimate professional 00:13:27.839 --> 00:13:33.600 gamer no that's not what i'm saying uh grimm's hit four out of ten 00:13:31.920 --> 00:13:36.480 wow consistently he does have a reputation for being 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:41.360 pretty quick so you had mentioned something really interesting to me you said that 00:13:39.920 --> 00:13:44.560 because we're running at such a low frame rate you can't really trust your 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:48.800 eyes and you're just going off muscle memory pretty much 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:52.800 interesting i can't track either it's too hard test number three we change 00:13:50.880 --> 00:13:58.560 things up again your reaction time still matters a lot because you've only got 00:13:54.839 --> 00:14:00.399 .45 seconds to hit each target at least 00:13:58.560 --> 00:14:03.920 this is your game how you feeling about this one you got 00:14:02.079 --> 00:14:09.279 one minute to hit as many red dots as you can yeah i mean i feel pretty good 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:10.639 so you just put up a 13 yeah in this one 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:14.480 that's really good i mean i'm missing like half of them so like 00:14:13.199 --> 00:14:18.160 true listen to this guy missing half of them 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:21.519 so is that just pure muscle memory you've got your own mouse today you just 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:24.639 yeah i mean go yeah i think i'll own on that one 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:27.519 probably hopefully oh yeah 00:14:26.560 --> 00:14:30.959 this guy he will he definitely definitely will 00:14:29.680 --> 00:14:35.360 for sure yeah but he's like a cocky so i don't want to root for him it's my 00:14:33.839 --> 00:14:43.279 game i play this game professionally i have to this is a hard test yeah 00:14:38.880 --> 00:14:44.639 even 0.4 even 0.5 seconds would make a 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:49.600 big difference because i could tell there were ones where you in your room 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:49.600 it was so close 00:14:49.680 --> 00:14:55.519 next up is test number four so you need great reaction time so you can spot the 00:14:53.199 --> 00:14:58.560 bots popping up in our shooting gallery and you need to make your flick shots 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:04.480 because they're not going to stand still for long we're looking for your best time to make 00:15:01.760 --> 00:15:08.560 15 kills this makes me look like i don't know how to play the game 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:12.880 i swear it's the settings in the flow test can you name a name for someone 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:17.680 that you think would just destroy that i would say 00:15:15.040 --> 00:15:21.920 i probably could name every every counter-strike professional you know 00:15:19.199 --> 00:15:25.040 they're all so good but if i was to name anybody i would name like 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:28.880 somebody from team liquid so maybe like stewie your 00:15:26.800 --> 00:15:34.959 raw reaction time improvement going from 60 to 240 was the cleanest out of anyone 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:39.680 we tested today it was very noticeable to me and it was very consistent on the 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:44.000 60 hertz i was about 210 immediately dropped down to around 180 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:47.760 and i even i think i hit 142 or 146 at best which apparently makes me as good 00:15:46.079 --> 00:15:51.920 or better than shroud i've been told i'm not sure if 00:15:50.959 --> 00:15:57.920 wow 8-10 and how many did you get on 60 2 00:15:54.560 --> 00:16:00.079 out of 110 i think if like i feel like 00:15:57.920 --> 00:16:03.680 i'm doing the exact same same thing and watching for him to just appear in the 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:08.320 doorway and i'm clicking but incredible difference in in how effective i was at 00:16:06.079 --> 00:16:12.480 this test on this test i got nine out of ten in comparison 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:16.399 to the last test where i could barely get two out of 30. i could 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:21.440 how sorry does it make a difference i guess the 00:16:18.959 --> 00:16:24.320 answer is yeah 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:28.320 well mind you this is just one task one test just one test so what's interesting 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:32.880 though is that when i was here looking at your reaction times in milliseconds 00:16:31.839 --> 00:16:36.639 they weren't that different 00:16:35.040 --> 00:16:40.240 so then it comes down to that delay between the frame being prepared and 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:43.680 when it's drawn on the screen and 00:16:41.839 --> 00:16:46.720 registering the click too it's great it's crazy i was sitting there it was 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:52.800 just a piece of cake i was just like done done done and then the other one 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:57.920 i just couldn't i couldn't land a shot he feels the same way right now 00:16:55.759 --> 00:17:00.800 you guys got the exact same result that's a low bar that's all i have to 00:16:59.839 --> 00:17:05.600 beat hey i love it it's way harder than that i feel like i 00:17:03.920 --> 00:17:08.480 think i'm mindful then just keep the time 00:17:06.959 --> 00:17:13.439 this is the first time i'm actually trying out like flick like programs or 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:16.880 like yeah modes i feel actually pretty good about it um 00:17:15.360 --> 00:17:22.240 like i mentioned i regret not doing this earlier because i feel like i was getting better and better 00:17:19.679 --> 00:17:26.160 so i definitely um i definitely feel way better than i thought it was so you're 00:17:23.679 --> 00:17:29.919 definitely more comfortable shooting at human targets yeah like straight 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:35.520 absolutely 100 that was a completely different level 00:17:33.360 --> 00:17:40.880 yeah it feels very different 19.16 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:45.600 seconds yeah compared to weren't you more in the neighborhood of 30 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:50.880 at 60 hertz yeah i had two 19s on 30 and i had like 35 one time and like 33. it's 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:54.880 so much harder on the other setup so much harder all right so that's 00:17:52.320 --> 00:17:59.280 another under 20. yep i think i could get a 15. you think so i 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:03.280 i'm confident i can this one feels so weird though i'm actually just like 00:18:01.679 --> 00:18:06.799 just hoping i hit it in time because i feel like i have a whole second delay as 00:18:05.679 --> 00:18:10.960 if you would have a whole second more on that one yeah yeah you can definitely it 00:18:09.120 --> 00:18:14.960 feels it's weird it feels like you actually have so much more time to react 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:19.280 even though it's this in theory it's the same amount of time but it's 12 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:24.559 milliseconds worst case scenario but then plus the actual 00:18:21.760 --> 00:18:28.160 uh input delay as well so in terms of the actual like refresh rate of the 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:32.160 monitor it's very little but it actually is more than that so yeah it's great 00:18:29.919 --> 00:18:36.799 very interesting so you just put up a 9 out of 10 in the double doors at 144. 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:40.320 yep so are you comfortable saying that 144 to 240 didn't really make a 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:45.919 difference for you here in this exact situation now because it feels it 00:18:43.120 --> 00:18:49.600 i think the reason why this feels so so much the same is that it's 00:18:48.080 --> 00:18:52.640 it's kind of like a still you're not really moving right you're just they're 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:57.440 looking for the cross you got the good frames you got 144 very 00:18:55.679 --> 00:19:01.120 very similar and both your frame rate and your refresh rate are exceeding the 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:05.280 tick rate of the server yeah so you literally 10xed your result 00:19:03.679 --> 00:19:10.960 in the flick shooting challenge going from 60 to 240 did it feel that much 00:19:07.360 --> 00:19:13.520 better yes i i was hitting more shots uh 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:17.360 in particular the the the doorway on cs go like 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:22.640 i could barely touch it before like such poor performance and then suddenly i'm 00:19:19.679 --> 00:19:26.559 hitting seven like seven out of ten so i can't accept responsibility myself it's 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:30.960 the technology that's that has given me this skill no it's great the difference 00:19:29.280 --> 00:19:35.360 the frame rate and the hurts on the guy crossing the door it's so weird how on 00:19:33.360 --> 00:19:38.480 that that okay it's the same thing but it's just not 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:42.880 it's weird okay so right now i'm doing 60 hertz but 00:19:41.360 --> 00:19:48.480 on 300 frames instead of 60 hertz on like 80 frames 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:49.280 yes it's harder than the 240 hertz but 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:53.360 it's not quite as hard as the 60 60. you know 00:19:51.760 --> 00:19:57.919 what i mean but it definitely is easier for sure there's not as much 00:19:55.760 --> 00:20:01.679 i guess input lag is what i'd explained yeah i'd call it like jello yeah like 00:19:59.760 --> 00:20:06.000 it's weird it does it doesn't float as much as yeah floaty floating that's a 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:10.320 really good word for it that result is exactly like you'd 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:16.080 describe the feel right in between a natural 60 FPS and 240 240. 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:21.360 so i had i think i had misunderstood this test i have to play against shroud 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:24.240 just for the first one you say that like it makes it a lot 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:29.600 better so test number five is going to be a good one and we've just got shroud 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:34.240 dialing in his mouse dpi and in-game sensitivity settings until he's at the 00:20:31.600 --> 00:20:38.159 point where he feels like yeah this is pretty good ready to go now he does 00:20:36.159 --> 00:20:42.240 usually use a g-pro wireless instead of a g-pro with a wire so that might 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:46.000 introduce a little bit of variability but at least it's the same 00:20:44.080 --> 00:20:51.120 basic sensor so yep hopefully it's all right so test 00:20:48.320 --> 00:20:56.799 number five is the shooting gallery test obviously everything we've seen so far 00:20:54.240 --> 00:21:01.840 is still synthetic in the sense that you're playing against bots now it's 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:06.960 time to see if those skills translate into the real world and take on a human 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:12.240 opponent i sure wish i could have picked my opponent here but i don't get to 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:15.520 i did pick him but like not because i thought it would give me a chance to win 00:21:13.679 --> 00:21:19.679 hey you could beat me here yeah i don't think so so the way this test works is 00:21:17.840 --> 00:21:24.799 both competitors are going to be at the far end of a long hallway and seth from 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:28.400 NVIDIA is going to be crouched behind a half-height wall and just 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:33.039 popping up at random human 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:36.960 intervals whoever kills them first gets a point we play the best of five 00:21:35.840 --> 00:21:42.720 then we get to switch computers 00:21:40.080 --> 00:21:46.240 so you're on the struggle bus computer we'll see 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:50.720 is that what the pros do they switch switch to their weapons real fast i gotta get the jitters 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:55.760 gotta get the jitters out the land jitters 00:21:53.039 --> 00:22:02.159 what man we're competing i would wish you luck but you don't need it 00:21:59.120 --> 00:22:04.720 yeah yeah we're ready i guess wait oh 00:22:02.159 --> 00:22:07.520 what the hell i was still talking wait a minute when he's a silhouette is he 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:10.640 hittable oh yeah he's got spawn 00:22:10.840 --> 00:22:14.080 protection it 00:22:17.840 --> 00:22:20.240 damn it 00:22:21.600 --> 00:22:26.039 oh come on we both lived 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:32.320 yeah okay oh that's five nothing 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:39.919 how do you like that machine this is rough it's okay i'll be fine 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:44.799 i still don't think i'm going to win he was so fast 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:49.200 i'm ready i'm ready all right let's try this 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:49.200 oh there you go 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:54.280 crap i got one 00:22:56.240 --> 00:23:01.520 damn holding a shot i'm slow 00:23:02.080 --> 00:23:09.200 oh no crap you're faster than me 00:23:06.320 --> 00:23:12.080 fact i overshot 00:23:12.159 --> 00:23:14.720 oh no 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:19.280 yes no 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:29.320 okay fine okay okay 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:42.329 oh no unreal come on baby 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:51.840 no oh come on that's what i'm saying there 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:59.159 we go that was hard that was actually 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:59.159 noticeably harder i still lost 00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:11.840 now what you guys are going head-to-head oh so nice to see who can headshot me 00:24:09.520 --> 00:24:15.400 first i didn't even shoot 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:23.360 there's one 00:24:25.840 --> 00:24:28.880 nice that was quick 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:39.600 oh hold on nice 00:24:35.760 --> 00:24:39.600 we kind of suck at the off to be honest 00:24:40.080 --> 00:24:42.799 oh boy 00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:47.159 there's one damn 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:56.880 there's one 00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:02.720 so that's it 5-2 for corey but 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:06.799 now they have to change places i don't think i played counter-strike in like an 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:11.679 absurd amount of time it's crazy i mean this whole thing's hard because 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:15.760 monitor fresh rate frames everything is that's what we're trying to do to you 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:18.720 it's it's rough you guys ready yep yep all right 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:27.960 okay it's just better that was quick 00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:35.600 oh thai game ladies and gentlemen 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:41.640 hold on nice right in the center 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:47.039 jeez 00:25:50.320 --> 00:25:58.159 we'll get him eventually yeah i'm not gonna lie i suck at this 00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:01.120 it's two two red d ready 00:26:01.840 --> 00:26:04.159 damn 00:26:06.080 --> 00:26:13.440 nice still tied 00:26:10.080 --> 00:26:13.440 oh what a shot 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:23.279 oh my god we're terrible yeah actually 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:23.279 oh boy you're embarrassing us 00:26:23.679 --> 00:26:29.279 nice so no pressure or anything boys but next one wins 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:35.000 i'm gonna be as trixie as i can 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:45.600 shoot that's it 00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:48.960 did you feel like 240 hertz made a difference in that challenge definitely 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:53.039 does for sure yeah especially in like the middle one you pick up and you go 00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:56.880 down i think that matters the most do you feel 00:26:54.320 --> 00:26:59.919 four hours smarter nope 00:26:57.679 --> 00:27:02.400 no did you already know everything that we saw today 00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:08.000 i so i want to say everything because i'm still under the impression that somebody 00:27:05.679 --> 00:27:10.880 on 60 hertz can be just as good as somebody on 240 but now i'm starting to 00:27:09.919 --> 00:27:16.080 think that it might vary based on games 00:27:13.840 --> 00:27:21.600 i didn't expect my reaction time to be so bad because in reality my reaction 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:25.039 speed might look good compared to i don't know maybe like a 00:27:23.360 --> 00:27:28.720 casual player or something yeah but in comparison to these pros and i've seen 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:32.760 their reaction time they're doing like 1.4 easy on average 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:37.760 and i'm at like 1.67 or something 00:27:35.520 --> 00:27:41.279 when you're scanning around a map do you think having a higher refresh 00:27:39.120 --> 00:27:45.919 rate monitor helps you identify a target more quickly that's where i'd say it 00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:50.400 helps you the most because when you're moving the faster you move the harder it 00:27:47.760 --> 00:27:54.399 is to see on 60 hertz if you're i mean the reaction time is 00:27:52.159 --> 00:27:57.200 kind of a good way to put it i guess because like when you're looking at a 00:27:55.440 --> 00:28:00.559 still image nothing's going to change but once everything's moving around it's 00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:06.080 going to get a lot harder so yeah absolutely do you think that compared to 00:28:03.120 --> 00:28:09.279 the gear you use your game sense and training your mind 00:28:07.600 --> 00:28:12.559 is more important less important or equally important 00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:18.000 i would say it's way more important that's like what you need to be a top tier gamer 00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:21.279 hardware and peripherals and stuff of course does matter but you got to be 00:28:19.840 --> 00:28:25.440 good at the game you know 144 and 248 does have a difference but 00:28:23.600 --> 00:28:30.399 the difference is not like huge i would say 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:32.559 so you were the 60 hertz king today not 00:28:30.399 --> 00:28:36.720 only did you nail more double door shots than shroud and corey combined i think 00:28:35.919 --> 00:28:43.679 um you also scored equally on your bomb site defense between 60 and 144 i don't 00:28:41.679 --> 00:28:47.600 know like i mean like i mentioned before like 60 hertz was you know pretty much 00:28:45.760 --> 00:28:52.960 like my main thing for a while and then finally moving on it like when i 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:56.320 switched to 60 hertz um it all kind of felt familiar with like the delays and 00:28:55.200 --> 00:29:02.080 you know button timing and all that stuff so i was kind of able to just pick it up right away 00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:06.320 so um and with 144hz i mean pretty much that was like my main thing back at home 00:29:04.159 --> 00:29:11.760 so it for me it wasn't really too tough to transition going back into the past 00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:17.120 and then kind of back to the present cory and shroud had a lot of mitigation 00:29:14.320 --> 00:29:22.880 strategies to compensate particularly between 144 and 240 their results were 00:29:19.520 --> 00:29:24.640 usually very close do you think that the 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:28.480 lack of those strategies made it so that the hardware affected your ability to 00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:34.480 perform better i would say definitely um just looking 00:29:31.679 --> 00:29:36.880 at the scaling of my testing and i wasn't i wasn't trying to do anything 00:29:35.760 --> 00:29:42.240 like that i was trying to be very straightforward from test to test 00:29:39.360 --> 00:29:46.159 so i wasn't trying to figure out the ai too much or anything like that 00:29:45.120 --> 00:29:51.360 but i so i think that maybe goes to show that 00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:56.240 the hardware is going to have more of an impact on a casual gamer versus somebody 00:29:53.600 --> 00:29:58.720 who's professional where those little those little gains you get from the 00:29:57.360 --> 00:30:03.840 hardware are gonna have less of effect because they're already playing at such a high level one really interesting 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:10.640 takeaway based on shroud's much better performance at 60 hertz with the rtx 00:30:06.399 --> 00:30:13.039 2060 super versus that aging 750 00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:17.840 was that even if you're still running a 60hz monitor there is something to be 00:30:15.600 --> 00:30:21.600 gained from a graphics card upgrade and running at much higher FPS because 00:30:19.520 --> 00:30:25.760 there's just so much less delay even on your inputs 00:30:23.520 --> 00:30:30.240 okay so it's been about a week and we've had some time to dig into our data and 00:30:27.919 --> 00:30:34.320 our high speed footage and see if using a high refresh rate monitor and a 00:30:32.080 --> 00:30:40.320 powerful graphics card like a GeForce rtx 2080 ti can make you a better gamer 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:44.960 it's worth going through test by test here while raw reaction times in our 00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:50.000 synthetic test were similar across refresh rates when it came to reacting 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:55.279 to moving objects and timing in our double doors test 00:30:51.520 --> 00:30:58.320 hit rates were way lower at 60 FPS 60 00:30:55.279 --> 00:31:00.159 hertz than at our higher refresh rates 00:30:58.320 --> 00:31:04.640 with most of our shots actually being just a few milliseconds off 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:08.880 we also have a couple of shots here where they look like they could have 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:13.360 been hits but ended up missing because at 60 frames per second the target's 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:18.720 location doesn't update as often which meant that what our camera and therefore 00:31:15.760 --> 00:31:23.120 your eyes was seeing was already out of date by the time the shot landed 00:31:21.360 --> 00:31:28.080 mr grimm showed us that with enough practice you can actually overcome some 00:31:25.520 --> 00:31:31.600 of this disadvantage his experience with beat and rhythm games allowed him to 00:31:29.919 --> 00:31:35.120 quickly familiarize himself with the speed of the queue so that's the 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:38.720 appearance of the opponent and then predict when they would cross his 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:44.480 crosshair but everyone including brims performed 00:31:41.919 --> 00:31:49.760 better with frame rates over 60 FPS showing that with more information to 00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:54.880 predict trajectory and speed everyone will perform better we actually had 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:59.679 shroud repeat this test at 60 hertz on his monitor but with a frame rate well 00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:03.760 above 200 and the result was much better because the input lag and overall 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:09.120 latency is reduced but he still didn't land as many hits as when he had both 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:13.600 high FPS and a high refresh rate display in the overwatch flick test at 60 frames 00:32:11.600 --> 00:32:18.720 and 60 hertz we definitely saw differences in aim movement it was 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:22.799 slower and with more corrective movement after the initial flick furthermore 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:25.760 shots would often be taken a few milliseconds after the target 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:31.840 disappeared the ghosting effect which occurs regardless of refresh rate is also 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:36.399 greater at 60 hertz and the displacement of the image between refreshes is larger 00:32:34.399 --> 00:32:41.360 making everything look blurrier at speed which necessitates slowing down 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:46.399 onto our bombsite defense or flow state test at 60 frames and hertz movement is 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:50.480 slower because the position of in-game aim is less clear the timing of the 00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:55.200 shots and movement prediction and tracking is worse and a movement between 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:58.080 targets ends up being slower and less accurate because the subject has to 00:32:56.799 --> 00:33:02.559 readjust unsurprisingly shroud's runs in the 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:06.799 bombsite defense flow state test were the fastest though not actually the most 00:33:05.679 --> 00:33:12.960 consistent what was surprising was that his fastest 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:14.720 runs were at 144 frames and hertz 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:18.559 this appears to have been due to the training effect where he had started to 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:23.840 recognize patterns in the test by the time he got to the 144hz station 00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:28.080 with mr grims and paul neither of whom have played much cs go we actually found 00:33:26.320 --> 00:33:33.440 that the less familiar you are with the activity the more the results line up 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:38.640 with our expectations so their runs were both faster and more consistent as the 00:33:36.159 --> 00:33:42.320 refresh rate and frame rate increased we also found that i ended up being a 00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:49.200 great example of the training effect as well i did my 144 frame and hertz test 00:33:45.600 --> 00:33:52.399 first then i did 60 then 240 and my 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:56.320 runtimes ended up improving as i went 00:33:52.399 --> 00:33:59.120 so overall 60 FPS at 60 hertz clearly 00:33:56.320 --> 00:34:04.320 had the worst results in every test while some individual runs did have 00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:10.720 better scores the consistency between runs was usually much better at 240hz 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:14.560 and the most predictable improvements were actually found in the more casual 00:34:12.720 --> 00:34:19.919 players who didn't have as much game sense and muscle memory to rely on 00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:25.440 so aim in game then could be described as a function of muscle memory response 00:34:22.879 --> 00:34:29.679 prediction and confirmation when a target appears you begin to aim towards 00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:33.440 it based on your existing knowledge of where your mouse is and where it needs 00:34:31.200 --> 00:34:36.960 to be as you're moving you receive a visual and correct or continue your 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:41.119 movement until you've reached your target when your target moves you 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:45.040 predict where the target will be and when based on a combination of 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:48.000 pre-existing knowledge of speed and your brain calculating the speed and 00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:53.599 trajectory based on what you see on the monitor so with lower frame and refresh rates 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:56.720 the following disadvantages are present you've got less up-to-date target 00:34:55.200 --> 00:35:01.040 information due to frames being displayed for longer your movement is 00:34:59.200 --> 00:35:06.560 blurrier thanks to the transition of frames between refreshes and you've got 00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:11.440 a worse speed and trajectory estimation due to that lack of information 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:14.800 these effects can be overcome to a great degree with training but there's going 00:35:13.040 --> 00:35:19.280 to be a limit to the situations where that training can be applied 00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:23.520 so i wasn't surprised to find out that 60 FPS gamers are at a significant 00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:26.880 disadvantage compared to high refresh rate gamers 00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:33.119 but i was surprised at how big the difference was between 144 and 240. so 00:35:30.720 --> 00:35:37.359 then all other things being equal will high FPS and a high refresh rate monitor 00:35:35.359 --> 00:35:40.800 make you a great gamer no 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:46.720 but will it make you a better gamer undoubtedly so using a powerful graphics 00:35:43.680 --> 00:35:48.240 card like an NVIDIA rtx 2080 ti thanks 00:35:46.720 --> 00:35:53.040 again to our sponsor for making this whole video happen to see things sooner 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:57.920 and to have a better chance of hitting what you're aiming at does help and i 00:35:55.520 --> 00:36:05.200 can't wait to see how this translates to 300 FPS 300 hertz and beyond 00:36:02.240 --> 00:36:09.079 is that a teaser for a part 3 i will let you be the judge