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look at what you've done to a Microsoft this lifelong Windows user has been

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forced to switch to a MacBook why well because he's got real work to

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do and he needs something he can actually rely on and it's your fault

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this is no exaggeration this is real you guys it's happening and all because you

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can't fix a feature that most people probably couldn't even name modern

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standby that's right guys after complaining about it in every single

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laptop video for the last year we're finally doing a deeper dive into what we

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consider to be the biggest problem with Windows laptops in fact it's something

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that I'm sure that you have first-hand experience with you know that thing

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where you fully charge your laptop then you take it out of your bag the next day

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to find it dead and as a bonus probably hot enough to burn you well it took some

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time and there were definitely challenges including discovering that

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Max can actually suffer from the exact same problem but we think we've cracked

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it we figured out what Microsoft hasn't been able to in the last three years and

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we might even have the solution just like we have the solution to

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and start your new build today for a long time I gaslit myself into thinking

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my it might just me and then I moved on

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to thinking ah my this laptop like ah this piece of junk

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never has battery when I need it but then we started to notice this pattern

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but no matter the brand Dell HP Lenovo Microsoft lga's races you get the point

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it's bound to show up once in a while on pretty much every Mobile Windows machine

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and no it isn't just us we asked on

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Twitter if anyone had experienced the same problem and we received thousands

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of replies full of tales of hot dead laptops that should have been asleep and

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fully charged what makes this problem challenging to

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diagnose though is that there's no obvious pattern to it one day it's fine

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the next day it's not and even when the battery is draining it can take hours

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for the loss to be noticeable which makes testing take forever

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we don't know exactly what causes this rapid battery drain but we did observe

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that the problem is more pronounced on powerful machines which seems to suggest

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that whatever the background task is we think it could be related to Windows

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update it relies fairly heavily on your CPU so bigger CPU bigger drain but wait

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this laptop is asleep why is it running

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Windows updates well here's the thing in the past

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laptops came with S3 sleep AKA suspend

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to RAM when your computer is using S3 sleep the processor is essentially off

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but Power gets maintained to the memory so that when you open the lid there's no

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need to pull data off of your system drive and you can resume working

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basically immediately but on newer machines S3 sleep has been mostly

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replaced by Windows modern standby or S zero sleep s0 sleep could also be

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referred to as connected sleep and it's actually existed since way back in

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Windows 8. but for a long time it was

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not the default and even if you were using it it was very easy to disable so

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why is it suddenly an existential problem for Windows machines

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Intel in 2020 Intel introduced project

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Athena with the general goal of making laptops feel more like a smartphone and

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there were a couple of really good ideas that Intel pushed in Project Athena like

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instant wake better overall responsiveness and all-day battery life

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to help achieve instant wake manufacturers were pushed to use s0

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sleep a sleep state where the CPU remains on and connected to the network

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this allows laptops to perform small housekeeping items while they're asleep

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and it can actually be pretty great for instance apps can continue to receive

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messages Bluetooth audio can continue playing Windows can update while you're

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away from the computer like have any of you noticed that for the most part your

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Windows install just stays up to date without thinking about it well that's

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the beauty of s0 sleep the problem however is that this is in fact a laptop

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not a smartphone and I don't necessarily expect it to work exactly like a

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smartphone also x86 is very different to

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the ARM processors that are used in phones and apple silicon MacBooks

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with my phone I expect to be notified of

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a text message or a phone call even if the screen happens to be off and I also

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expect to plug it in at the end of every day with a laptop I expect to close it

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stuff it in my bag at the end of a Friday and then on Monday morning when I

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come back to work I expect to take it out and have roughly the same amount of

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battery left the final straw that made me go Mac was before the Intel Arc live

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stream it was an incredibly hectic morning running around and there's a

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problem that needed solving now so I take my laptop and my backpack which I

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made sure was charged the night before knowing I'd be very busy in the morning

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Not only was this thing warmer than our retro polar fleece ltstore.com but it

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was completely dead this meant that while I was troubleshooting problems I

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could not get a charger's length away from the wall making me mad enough to

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stop using Windows altogether ah

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and judging by the comments on ShortCircuit and Twitter I am far from the

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only one but after a couple of weeks with the Mac it

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happened again I took this MacBook Pro 14 inch out of my bag and it was dead

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turns out apple has a very similar always on feature to Modern standby but

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would you look at this by going to the battery settings there is a toggle for

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Wake for network access I'll change that to only on power adapter and have not

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had the problem since this Mac has been able to run and update and such while

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it's sleeping so long it is connected to power just as it should be if only there

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was a fix that easy on Windows that's the worst part of this there used to be

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when connected standby was originally introduced it could be toggled in the

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power menu then they got rid of that so you'd have to use the command platform

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AO AC override to revert your laptop back to the old S3 sleep mode then

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Microsoft nuked that work around in an update but it was still possible to go

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back to S3 sleep through a registry edit until they killed that in an update as

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well why is Microsoft actively making it so

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difficult to remove this clearly broken feature well because the BIOS engineers

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at Dell HP Lenovo and so on are lazy and

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didn't bother to support both s0 and S3

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sleep in their firmware so if you apply

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any of the above hacks it could actually cause your laptop to crash outright when

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it tries to sleep this is particularly frustrating because both Intel's 12th

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gen mobile processors and AMD's ryzen 7000 mobile processors still totally

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support S3 sleep it's just that the laptops have crappy firmware that

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doesn't to check if your system supports S3 sleep then if you don't want it

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crashing all the time go to the command line and type power config slash a which

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will show you what sleep states are available to your device look down here

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where it says standby S3 and then you

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just have to hope that it doesn't say the system firmware does not support

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this standby State since if if you see that you're probably screwed we tested

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this on a wide array of laptops in our office and only framework and ASUS

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appear to have bothered to implement S3 sleep on their latest processors but

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don't give up yet head to the BIOS of your laptop by spamming F1 F2 and delete

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while restarting and with any luck you might find a toggle for S3 sleep or

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something called Sleep state with options for Windows or Linux don't be

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put off the naming even Windows users can just swap it over to Linux and

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should be good to go once that's enabled you can still use the old registry edit

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from before to restore good old S3 sleep you can also set it so that closing the

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lid of your machine causes it to hibernate rather than sleep this

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resolves the battery drain issue most of the time but because hibernate writes

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the contents of system memory to non-volatile storage it's a lot slower

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to pull it back into RAM which kind of defeats the purpose of creating modern

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standby in the first place the the strangest thing about all of this is

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that this battery drain problem should never have been a problem in the first

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place when checking the available sleep states with a laptop on battery it

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states standby Network disconnected meaning that when your laptop goes to

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sleep it shouldn't try to pull any updates receive any messages and so on

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and so forth however if you plug the laptop in and check the power States

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again it says standby Network connected

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to allow updates and such that's when our light bulb moment happened what

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we're almost certain is happening is that if you are charging your laptop and

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you close the lid it'll go to sleep in network connected mode then if you

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unplug it and say Chuck it in your bag and go to work the device is not

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recognizing that it has since been unplugged and remains in network

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connected mode if there happens to be a Windows update or something then while

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it's in your bag congratulations your laptop is now drained so the incredibly

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stupid temporary fix if you don't want to do anything else that we said is to

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it's difficult to verify this 100 because we're basically trying to force

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a strange error that can take hours to unfold but it's the best guess we have

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for now which Frankly Speaking is as far

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as we should have to go farther than we should have had to go because Microsoft

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you're a multi-billion dollar company

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just fix it Windows modern standby has

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been a crippling issue for the last years and

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I'm gonna just lay down the line here I'm not going to be recommending a

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Windows laptop over a Macbook until you've either fixed it or re-enabled S3

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