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are less late than we otherwise would have been yeah and Colton was like oh
man the W might be on time today lonus is working on it at like 1:00 Colton is
Young and naive stupid no just that's
that was rude stupid he's not stupid he just hasn't learned yet that the way and
Show's never on time you know that's just the way it is
all right so we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today Luke's actually on vacation he's over in London
working on some kind of high technology
product launch I'm fairly certain we signed an NDA so I'm just not going to
say yeah don't don't talk about that anything about it nothing about it other
than that he's there he's doing a thing and I'm sure if your Google fu is strong
you can figure out out what he's doing and what it has to do with but he's
taking a few days off before the event and in the meantime I am stuck back here
in Canada literally unplugging and
plugging in USB connections thousands of
times that is what I spent the last hour and a half or so working on is it micro
b yes so oh so that's your own personal hell that is yes basically well it's
only half hell because the other half is Type C so I tease this on social Med a
little while ago but I'm actually going to be doing a head-to-head comparison of
how many plugs before micro or typc
break at least it's not non-reversible a
cuz then before every plug you'd have to flip it over three
times so we got a lot of great topics for you guys today uh first up the
Samsung Galaxy Note 7 has been announced
and uh this one's a shocker the screen is
big wow the NVIDIA Titan XP has been
reviewed and benchmarked that is to say
by other Publications not by us so it's
it's not called the XP right it's just the X right no it's called the Titan
XP anyway um so Microsoft pitches
technology that can read facial expressions at political rallies so uh
you know we're that much closer to Skynet I guess we're that much closer to
do okay so uh question do they aim them at the politicians or at the audience at
the audience oh cuz I was thinking aiming them at the politicians might
actually be a lot more useful it' be like a lie detector that would be like
an actual you know Boon to society
whereas this is just let's figure out who doesn't agree with dear leader and
uh and we'll get him out of here actually would it be helpful to tell us
that politicians are just lying the whole time I mean we already know that
in theory I mean what else we got what else we got we'll talk about it in more
depth later um the world's first programmable quantum computer is
apparently a thing I haven't actually read anything about this topic so uh
we'll see what happens yay
Colton I checked it I think it's the right one it works there's no
weirdness yeah
I think they should actually change their slogan to that it should just be
like squar
space Linda
wo all right all right guys so why don't we
jump right into our first topic here today the Galaxy S7 has launched our
original article here did I say Galaxy S7 see this is where I run into trouble
this is where or this is where Samsung gets me into trouble by having multiple
devices that are very very similar so
the original article here is from Anon Tech at least I think it is it's hard to
tell with all the soft layer ads on all
sides of the uh on all sides of the website dang I'm pretty sure I'm pretty
sure it's an ontech shot shots shots fired although those those who those who
uh what is it live in Glass Houses something something Rock don't don't
those who live in Glass Houses sink ships or something yeah I'm pretty sure
it goes something along those lines and especially with our resident ad man
literally sitting next to
me it probably doesn't make sense for us to be to be too critical of ads but uh
so what is there to say but oh so usually the co-host job is to take the
link to the original article and posted in the twitch chat wait you actually
expect me to do stuff while I'm sitting here yeah that's what I thought I sign
up for that that's what I thought was going to happen I thought you were going to say things and do things I didn't
sign up for that um so basically it's
about as similar to any S Class product
that we have pretty much ever seen so spec-wise you're getting a Snapdragon
820 in the US anyway uh for RAM 4 gigs
of lpddr4 for storage you're getting 6 4 gigs plus micro SD expansion I mean
having micro SD expansion on the Note series was I think a bigger deal when it
was not notably absent from the S Series
but it has kind of Gone full circle now and is is back on the S on the S7 um the
screen is 5.7 in it's 1440p it's uh sa
AMOLED or S AMOLED okay uh dual Edge
display it's got a 12 megapixel rear camera 5 megapixel front camera I mean
I'm just getting bored talking about this a 3500 milliamp power battery I
think the more interesting aspect of the conversation is that Samsung apparently
learned how to count from everyone else in
technology wait yeah we missed the Note 6 yeah I just realized that you didn't
realize no I actually I I I pay so little attention to the note lineup
because it's kind of like okay let's say
were me yeah and like Trojan godamn
releases a new line of like Magnum condoms okay so they've got like the
Magnum X and they've got the Magnum XL and they've got the Magnum XP or
whatever are you really paying attention the Titan Magnum
XP so for me the note series and I will
be reviewing the Note 7 um at some point
at some point uh over the next little bit here and I'll say my usual thing I'm
going to say it's a big Galaxy S7 and it's too big literally now they called
it the Note 7 to line up with the S7 um
so stay tuned for that or don't bother it's totally up to you uh but there are
some unique things so the SP pen now
allows you to turn videos into gifs which if you're a frequent Twitter
is going to be a huge Boon for you so your tweets can now have 70% more GIF
and not just the canned ones when you click the thing you can make your own um
you cannot put the Spen into the phone backwards anymore which isn't to say you
which isn't to say you couldn't before the problem wasn't putting it in it was
say you couldn't get it back up
yes this is cool it's ip68 so that's uh
dust and water resistant yeah um with
the S Pen attached or detached that's
pretty cool anytime you open up a large hole in an object you are
significantly um reducing its Ingress
Protection ability so that's pretty cool and this is the big one Samsung has
introduced Iris authentication with the
node 7 so I obviously haven't used it I
haven't seen it in action I will definitely be commenting on that but I
do have an initial important question
and we will debate this and I want to hear from you guys on this I'm going to
go ahead and create a straw pole right now do you feel like Irish
protection hold on I'm just going to
type as I go do you feel like Iris protection is a any more convenient or
B any more secure than fingerprint
protection which we already have
H do you want me to give my opinion now or should we wait for the hit it I
mean I feel like there has to
be more issues with Iris protection at least at first right because at this
point the sample size from the public on fingerprint is so massive mhm so obvious
viously Iris has to be at a certain level in order for them to even have it
on this but I mean I would be a little
bit hesitant at least at first like first generation of it for the public
obviously it's been on other stuff in the past um but in terms of something as
ubiquitous as a note series
smartphone my my take on it is that
anything anything camera Reliant from my
experience you know going back and Sam Samsung Samsung does this kind of thing
to themselves um anything camera reliant on a Samsung
phone and whether you want to talk Smart Stay uh where the screen stays on if
you're looking at it or if you want to talk about um what was it I think they
had like uh like hand gestures that you could do to take pictures with the
selfie camera Samsung's had a Samsung's had a lot of motion and Camera
controlled features most of which have been abs abolute garbage and just plane
haven't worked very well and people are saying it is a sensor on its own so it
uses IR as well so that's good see this is why it's important for me to read
twitch chat instead of just going on and on forever but anything okay so with the
exception of the touch sensor anything Samsung's done that's like like a a a
biometric or or natural human interaction thing has been either cludy
or basically not worked at all from my EXP experience so I am
both excited and also very skeptical to
see how well this works because it's all fine and good if it works on you know a
brightly lit show floor or if it works in at during the day but is this the
kind of thing that's going to work dur at night and if it doesn't I so it
should theoretically it should theoretically um or is it going to work
when there or is it going to work I mean that's here that's another interesting
point of part of the conversation is it going to work where there's a lot of ir
pollution yeah like let's say you're on the CES show floor is there going to be
too much pollution I don't know I don't know so and the question that I have
that we have to answer then is if it doesn't work all the time if it isn't
bulletproof and quite frankly I'd say the first generation of touch ID was
pretty good and now it's gotten to the point where phones are coming out
whether it's the axm 7 uh whether it's the Galaxy S7 uh whether it's the iPhone
6s phone are coming out now where fingerprint detection is so fast and so
accurate like even if your fingers are a little bit damp that I almost always use
it I use it all the time I don't have to think about it until Iris detection gets
that good I don't personally feel like it is going to be more secure or more
convenient because as it is you could make the argument that
someone could steal your fingerprints I mean they did it on MythBusters you could make the argument someone can
steal your fingerprint they create um a
rubber mold and then or a silicone mold and then they can they can spoof it in
fact I believe it's been faked on uh on phones already
so arguably fingerprint is not the most
secure thing it's much more difficult to extract someone's eyeball right however there there have
to be other spoofing measures though that's still pretty difficult that's
still pretty difficult to do the fingerprint sort of creation thing I
think if someone is that determined they're probably just going to put a gun
to your head and tell you to unlock the phone anyway so I don't personally
believe it adds a lot of security and I also don't personally believe it adds
any convenience if anything I see that being less convenient because I don't
know about you but my phone's already unlocked by the time I get it in front
of my face yeah a lot of the time not
this one because the ax 7 you can't use the fingerprint sensor as a lock button
actually wait yes you can okay sorry I was wrong it didn't do it a second ago
there you just have to wait a little bit longer when you do that but it's really
fast when you press the lock button initially um but on the S7 where the
lock button is on the front and it is like what I reach for first when I pull
it out of my pocket it's unlocked well before it ever reaches my face in the
first place so I don't really see that being a huge factor for me let's go
ahead and check out the results here's a bit of a tangent but
what what if they were to use something like an IR sensor to try to inhibit
stuff like texting and driving
where like if there's some type of a gyrometer or Gyro or whatever in your
phone yeah that is like you're moving at a certain speed you have to use your IR
sensor so you can't just unlock your phone when it's like down here by your
side I mean I I can't see I can't see
phone manufacturer because okay so the cold hard truth is that people are going
to they're going to do it okay okay the cold hard truth is that phone
manufacturers aren't going to start interfering with dangerous user
practices that inconvenience the user that wants to do it unless they're
mandated by law yeah so I don't see that happening I don't see it happening
either that was just like what if like I'm just trying to think of a scenario
where this could be potentially positive like I could see that being an app that
like a parent might install but I mean okay you know I'm I'm sure twitch chat
is telling us like stuff like this exists where it knows if you're driving
that uh the phone shouldn't work like it's the kind of thing I could see parents installing on their kids phones
yeah so that's something I could also see it being useful and uh we so we've
got uh we've got the results from our straw pole here where people are saying
for the most part uh not more convenient or more secure with about 40% of you
saying it's either more convenient or more secure and only 14% of you saying
that they think it will be more convenient and more secure so one way
that it could add security would be if Samsung allows us to require both a
fingerprint and an iris scan yeah but I'm again I haven't had my
hands on the phone I haven't looked into this a lot um so stay tuned I I will be
covering it that will come later we'll see how it goes all right the uh Titan XP reviews
and benchmarks have arrived for some hey
Outlets don't don't hate on my Titan XP naming all right oh these guys spelled
it wrong they missed they missed the PE on it they missed the PE dude ah they
missed the PE all right so did you copy that into the twitch chat thank you so
all right I actually talked about this um PC perr was live streaming on their
way down to like Quake con or something I actually forget where they were going
so I'm just naming a random land Quake con right now I don't know think so I
have no idea anyway the point is PC per was on their way down to a land event
and they randomly shout randomly called me and uh speaking of using your phone
and driving he had one phone that he was using to talk to me and he had the
speaker of that phone held up against the microphone of another phone that he
was periscoping from that he was he was actually he was only streaming audio so
he was okay audio streaming from that one and I didn't know this until the end
of the of the talk let's let's give sh the benefit of the dope maybe he had a
hands-free solution going on we don't have video proof of any of this and
maybe someone else was driving maybe someone else was driving someone else
was holding the phones maybe PC per makes so much that he has a dedicated
chauffeur okay maybe that's it maybe shrout's just a baller all right could
be so anyway I was talking to shroud about this and the way that NVIDIA
handled the Titan X launch I was kind of
I pitched this to him and he kind of went yeah I don't know sounds plausible
enough but I doubt he knows one way or the other and if he did I'm sure it
would get someone at NVIDIA in trouble for him knowing uh but I was just like
you know what it seems like happened here Jensen basically woke up poured a
bowl of cereal for breakfast or whatever it is that bazillion eat yeah was
sitting there eating it went I'm going to launch the Titan X today yeah yeah I
I said that to you earlier this week yes that's kind of how it looks like to me
that this went down because there was
there were no materials sent to reviewers we got an email I think like
10 minutes before being like hey just FYI Titan X is going on in 10
minutes good luck we didn't get an NDA
nope we actually I don't think we ever signed an NDA nope it was 10 minutes
before launch um so so but but well the announcement the announcement prior to
the lunch the announc announ so we never had an NDA at any point prior to the
lunch and there's a reason for that and the reason for that is that um so some
people got their Titan XPS the morning
of the launch that night at 9:00 p.m. Pacific time we didn't get ours until
noon about or Tuesday after the day of
the launch and I'm kind of sitting here going like honestly I haven't talked to
anyone at NVIDIA about this yet but when I do it's not going to be a happy
conversation I'm going to kind of explain a little something I'm going to
say okay so look you gave us nine hours of which only six of them are working
hours because we're running a real company we're not like a guy in a
basement with nothing to do until NVIDIA
you know decides to bestow upon us a
graphics card that we have the privilege of covering um and and I mean to be
clear yes we do appreciate getting Hardware from manufacturers so that we
can have timely coverage of it but the way that that normally works is we get
it with enough time to do coverage of it so in this case we got six actual
working hours of which let's do the math backwards okay of which I'd say about 15
minutes of it goes into actually like filling out all the fields on YouTube
yeah okay about 5 minutes of it goes into uploading it about half an hour to
45 minutes of it is exporting it from Premiere assuming we only have to do
that once which sometimes we don't like 20 minutes waiting for it to process on
YouTube yep 20 minutes waiting for it to process on YouTube so we've already we've already used up well over an hour
of our of our six hours okay so just saying the these are things that
happened um editing it takes about 6
hours okay benchmarking it takes another
you know probably four to six depending
on the depth and for something like XP we would have liked to do more
benchmarks because NVIDIA has come out and said this is not just a gaming card
it's like machine learning deep learning that stuff yeah so we've never
benchmarked a card for deep learning before it's never come up so it's the
kind of thing where there's a bit of a learning curve so let's say there's a few hours of actually figuring out how
to Benchmark the thing in the first place um aside from that there's
actually you know usually attending a briefing call so that you have some idea
what the crap is going on not that I think there was get like a white paper
or anything no I don't believe there was a reviewer guide for it um you know so
usually there's some time spent reviewing the reviewer guide actually no
maybe he got it the morning of something like that anyway the point is it was not
actually possible oh yeah oh yeah shooting b-roll so this is another
challenge because theoretically you could shoot
Boll like on the Fly while someone is working on editing in a linear fashion
through the video and we've actually done that before yeah the is that there
is absolutely no way to shoot Boll of the card while it's being
benchmarked well you could get Boll of it on the on the test
bench Brandon how long does it take to do b-roll of a graphics card uh if I'm
doing it quickly four hours so Brandon figures he
could speed through one in four hours but that probably assumes that Brandon's
working on one of those uh endless streams of identical cards do you
remember when we did like three wind Force cards in a span of two weeks I've
seen the Force card more than they think I've seen anything yeah good old
windforce so basically NVIDIA gave us a
literally impossible goal of having a video up on time for this launch it was
very frustrating but there's good news now
that I'm done renting about how they really should organize themselves a
little bit better I mean it's funny because between them and AMD actually um
I I don't think I can't talk about that one yet or is that one launched I don't
know when the NDA is for that it might have been I don't know
like the last couple weeks of graphics
cards deliveries and stuff has been like
okay yeah the rx470 Embargo is lifted so that was another one where our rx470
arrived today our official one we actually already had one from someone
else but we didn't have our rever guide and we didn't have a driver yet so this
is funny to me 1080 rx480
very organized events around them yeah yeah
relatively speaking like they were talking to us about rx480 launch a month
before three weeks or three weeks before like we were we were organizing stuff um
that's three weeks before the event which was a month and a half or something before the launch yes and then
1080 uh to a lesser degree NVIDIA does the whole like Cloak and Dagger we are
NVIDIA we are like super secret business
bro they they do that a little bit more than AMD does um at least intentionally
so in the case of both titanex and rx470
it's just amazing the contrast it's like did they spend all the budget or spend
all the time organizing these launches and then just kind of go oh yeah I guess
there's like other stuff too like I really decide I really don't understand
this launch sequence like it almost feels
like I don't know it almost feels like r x480 was
announced and then they were like oh crap like we got to do 1080 very soon
then and then it wasn't rx40 wasn't what they were expecting so then just this
Landslide happened because like there was misinformation or something and
someone thought they were going to be competing with someone else in a similar price point and then they weren't so
then they had to match up which then caused the other team to keep going
forward if that makes sense like it just feels very disorganized this time around
all all right so let's talk facts about Titan XP it features a 16 NM gp102 GPU so this
is very close to the Pascal GPU we've
been introduced to in the Tesla lineup but not quite the same thing it's got
3584 Cuda course so when you compare that to the Titan X the previous card uh
when you compare that to the titanex it had 2560 so this is a very significant
uptick in Cuda cor and that pretty much comes from the process node TR I think
that may have supposed to be that that was probably supposed to be GTX 1080 I
think oh is that 1080 I believe so o I can't remember anyway it has 224 texture
units 96 RS a base clock of 1417 MHz and
a boost clock of 1531 with Hardware Canucks actually managing to get it to
overclock to a continuous like holding steady frequency of 1923 MHz yeah the
old old Titan X had 3072 3072 thank you
yeah all right so it's got 12 gigs of GDDR 5x RAM so we
did not see hbm2 again this is a downgrade from the Tesla card and it's
clocked at 10 GHz quad data rate and a 384-bit memory bus for a total of 480
gabes per second of memory bandwidth and a 250 watt TDP so once again NVIDIA has
one of the hottest cards on the market it's funny people give AMD a lot of crap
for having really hot cards y the difference is that when comes to
Performance per watt uh the Titan X
really does come through so it's about 20% faster than even non-reference 1080s
in some titles and as far as single gpus go it is King I was actually talking to
shred about this too but it's gotten to the point where on the like performance
charts in their reviews it's like Nidia land and then
like a like it's gotten to the point where AMD
has like it's you give it enough if they
keep up the way that they're going you give it another couple of generations
like this AMD may find themselves a full
generation behind Invidia while NVIDIA sells graphics cards at a whopping
$1,200 a pop that's insane lining their
pockets stuffing the coffers and giving
them more money to spend on R&D to cycle
faster and faster and faster this is a troubling time a very
troubling time because NVIDIA could
easily slash the pricing of their lineup
and make it very difficult to recommend buying an AMD card but NVIDIA is not
really not really prone to do that they tend to wait until AMD puts actual
pressure on them to drop the price so instead they're sitting there
accumulating massive amounts of money to spend on basically you know whatever is
the next technology they're going to introduce whether it's gam stream or
gsync or whatever else that makes it so that at least some gamers are going to
look at this card versus that card and go well this isn't even a decision
because AMD straight up doesn't have feature X Y or Z I love how
like you say things like NVIDIA cards are performing better right now and
people in twitch chat call you an NVIDIA shell that's just the facts I don't make
the rules yo we're not saying like they're better in performance per dollar
although in some cases I think the no no no the rx40 was better than 1060 in
performance per dollar I can't remember um but it's just the facts
like yeah some people so uh rage
something in twitch chat says NVIDIA won't let AMD go bankrupt I'm actually
not convinced that's anything to do with the motivation at this point um I think
it's just a matter of not not wanting to sell computer hardware at low margins um
not wanting to constantly iterate on new silicon as fast as they possibly can the
way that they were doing you know back in the mid 2000s and it's a matter of
just being happy to sit and make ample
margin and happy to have AMD sit there
as a measuring stick for why Enid's
graphics cards are worth a lot
more trouble in time
so yeah just the the $200 price hike is
what really gets me it's just it's the same as the 6950x it's like we're
charging this because we can so I actually thought that there was some
justification for the $200 price hike yeah and I went back in time I may have
actually done this on W show when the Titan XP was first announced um so I
went back in time and adjusted for inflation like I found super crazy
stupid Halo products from you know 15
years ago and compared them and the $200
price hike was definitely still unjustified but it's not as unjustified
as the $700 price hike on the 6950x but
I can talk more about that one actually now I've I've been working on a pretty
interesting video that that okay that does don't spoil anything but I won't
but that does put that price hike into a
more yeah it puts it into a different perspective for me so anyway one thing
that we're ignoring when we say NVIDIA is jacking the price etc etc is that R&D
costs are going up Generation by generation R&D processes are going up at
the manufacturing level so at Global foundaries tsmc Intel and at the chip
design level Pascal is a more
complicated more difficult to design product than Maxwell than keer and etc
etc etc um back to Intel's price hike on
the 10 Core Extreme
Edition basically it's a
Zeon so where it comes from is not
wanting to cannibalize Zeon because when I was working on my what CPU should I
buy video MH I actually worked into my
comparative sheet I worked all the everything from cerons all the way up to
the $7,000 four-way uh E5 or or E7 series
zon or is it E5 4000 any I forget I
forget the nomencl is either way don't worry about it anyway I worked in the
whole thing and what I realized is that aside from the
6800k which is priced more like a
desktop chip and I think the reason for that is because they kneecapped its PCI
Express Lanes making it suitable for desktop use even to a SLI which is all
we recommend around here but not really suitable for Server use where many many
expansion cards is much more likely to be a thing except for the 6800k there is
basically an equivalent Zeon in the current generation and you can look back
at the previous generation and go yeah that was kind of the one that that was a successor to too okay so they pretty
much pric them like overclockable zons that don't have ECC
and you are paying a slight premium for the Zeon because it has ECC so it can
handle server memory okay and that's it that's basically that was the logic do I
like it no yeah the issue is now is that they're
labeling it as a core i7 and they're trying to sell it to Consumers obviously
very high end consumer at a server price at a server price and the other thing
that bothers me here too is not necessarily what they've done on the
extreme Edition side because quite frankly I've never recommended an
extreme Edition to anyone I've never recommended that someone buy an extreme
Edition it has not happened and that was true when they were $1,000 and it's true
today now that they're $1,700
so doesn't matter to me it didn't make it any more or less likely that I would
recommend one um to me the part that I find more objectionable is that Intel
has been in in in the range that I
actually expect people to buy so that's on the consumer platform the consumer
chipset and socket M they've been selling us quad cores for 10
years q6600 turned
10 or actually no not quite sorry sorry not quite 10 we'll turn 10 within a year
and that's like still a sort of relevant
ship sort of it's like somewhat usable so q6600 was launched at around
$700 but within about again about a year
was down to pretty similar to what you'd pay for a 6700k today so you could get a
kind of not quite Enthusiast blah blah extremo Edition quad core for basically
you're paying for it today almost 10 years ago I think consumers should be
getting a six core I don't see a reason
why the Enthusiast range goes from six to eight and consumers are still stuck
with aqu quad I mean I do see a reason because they've had more emphasis on
better onboard Graphics which I could end up completely eating my words you
know 5 years from now when those chips with the better onboard Graphics are
just you know blowing through video rendering or or you know uh encryp tasks
or whatever the case may be using that GPU power but for now putting onboard
graphics on a 6700k just makes me kind of feel bad
when it could have just had more cores or more
cash yeah you got to remember your perspective though as someone who always
puts a dedicated graphics in a machine yeah like a lot of people a lot of
people don't need more than four cores for the little amount of gaming and you
know voice Comm and and music that they're going to be running right that's
true and especially when you factor in hyperthreading yeah I just feel like if
they could give us four cores nine years ago then why can't they give us a couple
more today I'm sure that they could I mean and they are higher performance
cores actually Anon Tech did a great article comparing modern CPUs to uh
conro okay it's worth having a look at you guys should check it out anyway but
go ahead yeah I just I don't know I feel like they're trying to Target someone
who isn't you with the foure which is probably Smart in all
honesty so it so so basically what you're saying is that it's no freaking
mystery that I'm salty because I'm not the target market for the reasonably
priced one essentially yeah
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politico.com digital campaigns how can
Democrats win with tech that looks like
a fascinating discussion that they're having right now I've been tagged in hi
everyone hey how's it going welcome to the show it's good so in Cleveland Ohio
I'm going to do this one on my own while you figure out what the next topic you want to do is in Cleveland Ohio
Microsoft's research division advertised a technology that can read facial
expressions in a massive crowd so they can analyze emotions and report back in
real time so they're calling this realtime crowd insights hang on what's
the resolution of the camera they're using probably uh like NSA megapixels oh
so the small camera scans the room there
you go while a monitor displays the captured image and there's actually a
picture from the test here so we'll go ahead and pop this up
mhm check this out this is like scary stuff right here 59y old male whoa 38
male happy 37 female happy 27 male
neutral have you ever done one of those age test thingies where it tries to guess your age based on your face and
notice how it's not really that accurate um maybe there's more accurate
technology out there but that's a doctor
image you think that's a doctor image this is from a demo this is a screen
grab they Pro they then then then Sherry picked the one where the Ages were
pretty much okay well here hold on okay do you think those are probably pretty
much correct I think she's that girl looks younger than that oh I she looks
it's kind of low resolution it's hard to tell yeah I think this looks about right
59 for that guy yeah 59 gr gray hair it's hard to
it's hard to tell he's got a big nose that's not enough resolution there to be
able to tell that did you know that your nose grows your whole life and so do
your ears that sounds like a myth no then you must be very
old shows over yeah and that's the end
of that chapter um okay so anyway anyway
okay so I'm going to finish going through this while you find a topic that did you do the NASA one yet no so every
5 Seconds a New Image would appear with data annotated for each face so they
assigned a serial number this is great assigned a serial number gender
estimated age and any emotions detected in the facial expression and they keep
track of the serial number and can identify the same person hours later no
way so a Microsoft spokesperson said for example that you could use this Tech at
a trump Rally or even the Super Bowl to find out how the audience what on Earth
are you doing I'm too short at tall for this as is right now now yeah now it's
good okay um so anyway okay so so let's talk about
how I expect this technology to be used mhm
basically we are giving politicians a
tool to lie to us more effectively really yes wait who who is this
technology for for them well the way it's being pitched is that it could be
used at a campaign rally uh-huh so that way through you could actually look like
imagine this this is this is like some next LEL stuff right here you could look
you could scrub through the campaign speech and you could see a Hots spot or
you could see like like a heat map of
viewer sentiment during the speech every
time so every time the politician says anything you can Pander to viewers in
real time yes just like that onion skit which is a really funny video that you
should watch instead of the wi no I'm just kidding no let's keep uh
yeah Panda to viewers in real in real time I me can you imagine if the L show
if if I had real life sentiment monitoring like say for example twitch
chat when they're like Taran I love you
you just ate that sweet so damn
fabulously so there you go yeah in real time yeah cuz we can watch this but it's
like really annoying to do so yeah and not as trustworthy so if we just had
like so it's it's basically taking people sad angry mad and turning them
into a a sentiment value that's cool so
you could have a sentiment percentage in the crowd so the second that you know
let's say uh Mrs Trump you know pulls
part of a speech from Michelle Obama or the second that Hillary Dodges a
question about you know the fact that she's being investigated in the middle
of a presidential campaign you know I'm not taking I'm not quite frankly I'm not
taking sides at all in this one now that I know who the two candidates are I'm
just kind of yay I'm Canadian this is not my problem at
all can you even vote yeah I'm still an
American citizen yeah but can you vote if you're not living in America I think
you vote based on the last state you lived in which for me is Colorado oh
okay so there there you go so enjoy that
um but like you could be saying something like bro the most important
thing to us is jobs and and then you
could see like dip and you could go but that's not as important as the
environment yeah it it's something comedians are
good at this where they'll start a series of jokes and if the audience
reaction is really positive they'll continue with that series but if not
they go on to the next joke but now we can have it for politics and have robots
figuring it out and then you create a robot that's good enough at pandering
and we won't even need politicians anymore that's also another onion skit
we'll just put robot in charge perfect brilliant president
execut so there you go that's kind of
that's kind of my take on this there's that picture by the way you guys can you
guys can check that out
um wow I just it's a Brave New World lus
yeah I I don't really have anything else to say other than well but the thing is
like we we've heard of all of these like interesting pieces of tech that sound
scary but then we never really hear anything else yeah that's cuz it's all
happening behind closed doors course I I've heard that like the
security cameras at I forget what it was maybe Sears or Target or something like
they're extremely good have I told you this on the show before I think it's
Target like extremely good to the point where they know what you've purchased
before you go to the check they've actually already I think it's Target
where they've already rung you up before you actually walk because the cameras
are so high resolution they track everything it's amazing and like that's
just the stuff we know about yeah I mean I'm sure Professor Zuckerberg over there
has plenty going on that we don't know about and then like there were NSA
satellites that were decrepit and they're like oh these are obsolete now
here NASA you can have these and NASA's like holy crap these are amazing
satellites what have you guys been using them for and then NASA's basically like
okay turn them around to point at the
stars instead of all the people
everywhere cuz that's frankly a better use for satellites hey for people like
me as far as I'm concerned they're one and the same
you're not a star maybe a a very dim one all right so
let's talk about NASA's training program that involves consumer grade VR and
quote unquote NVIDIA GPU technology I'm
assuming this is like the perfect lonus and Teran topic all right so let's pull
up the uh let's pull up the NVIDIA blog
here Invidia reported this uh yeah well
NVIDIA is always bragging about anything you can use a GP are especially fond of
bragging about things that you can use a GPU for that are not gaming oh yeah well
yeah yeah I can see that so let's uh run
through the notes here once I get that switch back so they're embarking on a
15-year Journey to Mars and VR is going to play a key role so they're actually
going to be using NVIDIA GPU technology combined with Unreal Engine 4 mhm
consumer grade VR physical mockups and models wearable Technologies and room
scale tracking and they're going to create what they're calling a hybrid
reality system very very cool they want to
create an extremely immersive and realistic training facility at a lower
cost than traditional analog test Fields hang on this says a 15-year Journey to
Mars it only takes like 9 months to a year to get to Mars preparation yeah
training for sure but it's worded oddly in this document okay fine let's
continue so uh Frank Delgado and Matthew
noise at NASA's Johnson Space Center hybrid reality lab have the goal to
create this lowcost scalable platform to enable an Out ofthe World Experience so
it's about incorporating the best elements of physical and virtual
realities to get the best of both worlds and there are already I mean it's a good
thing they've given themselves 15 years for this because there are already ways
to incorporate physical objects into a
VR space uh one of the ways I've seen it done is with tracking dots oh yeah yeah
yeah so you put these uh um there was actually a demo that I saw at the
Samsung developer conference where you basically put these like wire things
with reflective IR reflective dots on them so that the VR uh so like the room
scale VR cameras that are tracking you interesting can also track these objects
and know what they're supposed to be so the puzzle I solved was like an Indiana
Jones style you've done this move yeah um move the like move the stone idle
onto the correct and it was a real Stone Idol and also in the game yes that's
very cool like it felt like what I was looking at in VR why do they need
virtual reality for this um I mean I
mean they can't simulate uh zero gravity obviously unless you go on the vomit
Comet and then it's only like 90 seconds what are they simulating exactly so what
they're simulating is well they're making it more immersive because you
could make the argument but do you need that um yeah I think so well what I just
I don't know what they're doing with it so it's more versatile for one thing so
if you were to create a physical training set oh like a Hol deck oh now I
understand yeah so now you can do you
know Hol deck yeah there well the
explanation well if anybody hasn't watched Star Trek then why are you
watching the W show you're not enough of a nerd and as long as they have props
that are a reasonable fa simile of whatever it is they're trying to do a
training session on then they can actually change the functionality of the
room very easily and very quickly interesting there's there is a lot of potential here for sure so cool they
said that they're going to okay they said that the Johnson Space Center's
active response gravity offload system
Argos is um an excellent candidate to
combine this VR system with a way of creating a sense of weightlessness which
would be much easier when a user is in a
virtual environment than when they're in a room is that when they're swimming
around in the water um I'm actually it does to
simulate a no I think this is a different one so here we go this is a
picture of Argos right here a small robotic crane oh yeah yeah yeah I've
always wanted to to like jump around
with a small robotic crane getting rid of most of my body weight so in VR very
cool that'd be so so so awesome I would
I wish can we rig one of these up we we have we have beams up there I mean I
know NASA's budget has been cut it's still a lot more than ours we could
we could get a grant from NASA and let the astronauts come here to uh Siri BC
Siri BC quite a quite a ways from Houston let's see John uh John told me
he was going to Mark some of the topics that uh that he wanted to jump in on but
it looks like he actually did not well did not do that
well okay I have uh was there anything else that you wanted to that you want to
talk about NASA or just about other I
I'll look for one shall I but that that NASA thing is very cool I'd love to like
see like training videos of that to see what they do with it you know be very
cool I'm stoked on that kind of stuff all right so d d OnePlus is back in the
news H so the invite system is gone but
uh lo and behold original article here is from phonearena.com the phone sold so
well without the invite system that they actually have to Halt sales of the
OnePlus 3 for more than a month in 24
countries so in order to build inventory back up sales will be halted starting
August 9th at 6 p.m. eastern Daylight time until September 12th for Austria
Belgium Bulgaria Croatia Cyprus Czech Republic Estonia France Greece Hong Kong
Hungary Ireland Italy laia Lithuania Luxembourg Malta Netherlands Portugal
Poland Romania Slovakia Slovenia and Spain oh that's fascinating so if you
place an order before the sales halt your phone will go out on the estimated
shipping date but uh in the meantime
they're just like yeah sorry we straight up do not have enough but we have one
don't we a OnePlus 3 yep yeah they sent us a review
sample um what you got oh oh sorry I wasn't paying attention uh you
to I was listening to you talk I I can't it's hard to listen to someone talk and
read at the same time which is why when you're editing a video you put as little
text on the screen as possible fun fact
all right our next story here is from DSL reports Comcast says it wants to
charge bron bron band Bron band I don't
even know what that accent was Broadband users more for privacy so Comcast this
week informed the FCC that it should be able to charge Broadband users looking
to protect their privacy
wow so the FCC has been crafting new privacy rules for Broadband that would
force isps to disclose exactly what they're collecting and selling it's
almost like the FCC is on the consumer side for a change oh wow imagine that um
and also working to provide optout tools
for customers can you just use a VPN and just get around all this
nonsense um it'll be a bit slower yes
and no more I'm not sure that it's a
perfect solution but yes it would get around a lot but then you're basically
paying for internet and then also extra internet on top of your internet so
basically you are paying more for additional privacy right but I wouldn't
trust Comcast at all ever so they're
going to say oh you have more privacy now because you pay more we'll be fine
like every time you see Comcast's name in the news it's something that they've
done to screw over their customers right so basically in the news today is them
saying it's well within our rights to screw over our customers so what they're
saying they're arguing that charging consumers more money to opt out of Snoop
advertising so collecting user data and selling it to advertisers should be
considered a perfectly acceptable business practice what I want to know is
where it came from in the first place like like when did I ever aside from you
know at the bottom of your statement oh by the way our terms of service have been updated yeah when did I ever say it
was in the first place when did this ever become the status quo no but that's
that you just explained it your their terms of service are sitting somewhere
and you're just supposed to read them every time they've been updated and uh
and then be mad and then do nothing because Comcast is the only prider in
your area because they pushed out all the little guys so this is great and
then hope for Google Fiber they go on to say thanks Comcast a bargained for
exchange of information for service is a perfectly acceptable and widely used
model throughout the US economy including the internet e system here's
what I want to know when did the bargaining take place and and where was
the part where I got offered a
discount oh that's what they're calling it now no no no no that's not what
they're calling it oh yeah oh yeah where was the part where I got offered a
discount in the first placeing when they started augmenting their revenue stream
that is the bill that I pay which I don't cuz I don't use Comcast it so it
would cost more without this exactly exctly which it wouldn't by the way yeah
it's like it I I think about big picture
things like this sometimes where it's like a company can exist it it seems it
it feels like CU this is only the ones that you hear of in in two different
like diametrically opposed States either completely screwing over their customers
for as much money as they can possibly get and forcing their way into you know
politics and whatever or being really nice to their customers and customers
really like them and that's why they make a lot of money it seems like it's
only ever one or the other again probably because that's the only ones
you hear of but it's like how does a company like Comcast continue to exist
when all you ever hear about them is just pissed off people is it because
they have their fingers in all the politics where you have like it's
ah it's like the human race makes
progress 10 steps forward nine steps back we're getting
there eventually but it's so frustrating to see the obvious answers to things
just be ignored and it's like you know what don't screw over your customers and
they'll it'll be fine they'll be fine
everything will work out in the end long term Comcast isn't even the first one to
do this uh AT&T actually launched uh as a $30 or more premium if you wanted to
uh opt out of their internet preferences which is a deep packet inspection
program that tracks your bring Behavior around the internet so that was back in
Austin in late 2014 when they launched their gigabit internet
service um oh I had picked something let
me see here um the next Google Maps update could
show how bad parking is yeah that would be actually very very useful uh I'm
going to go ahead and pull up the original article here which is from Daily Mail while you go through this fun
fact from my father who is a city planner
every car that you add to like the
general like a city requires seven parking spaces you don't have to justify
that I know we we've had this conversation distributed across across
the city because you have to park at home you have to park at the supermarket you have to park at the movie theater
you have to park at the bar it's like seven on average like kind of moving
around a little bit you should be parking at the bar I don't carry on yes anyway uh leure
Center it that's just that's just a fun fact I actually haven't looked much into
it I just believe my father when he says these things but I'll get more info on
that if it's disputed anyway let's see if Taran learns not to listen to his dad
before he turns 30 so I plan to lie to my kids about all
kinds of hilarious stuff you're a h okay
pull up the thing so people can look at it okay next Google Maps update can show
how bad parking is it's per currently in beta could include text based alerts
informing users to parking shortages at their Des destination oh that's great
cuz it already tells you if the store is going to be closed by the time you get there yep it's not always accurate but
sure we'll allow for you to just these
little comments man will allow for you to account for both traffic and parking
scarcity at your destination service will likely be based on total number of
spaces available in a given area taking into account time of day and nearby
public events oh yeah cuz I went to the laundromat one day and it's like where's
all the parking oh my goodness I can't get through um update also includes is a
feature that will fix when you accidentally reorient the direction of
the map what whatever keeping it always
in point keeping it in always Point North mode no whatever more details to
come I like that cuz I freaking hate that yeah yeah when I pinch to zoom in
or out and it's like no that's not how I
want to look at it that's not just for the parking that's for the whole map
yeah okay well then that's great I was like why is it just for parking so I'm
really interested to see how this impacts businesses m because in the in
the analog age people would just have to like remember oh there's not much
parking on Robson during evening and on Sunday Costco in the evening is nuts
right you would just have to remember stuff like that but you know what if you
drive a bike you never ever have these problems no one on earth drives a bike
ride a bike um but now what you'll be
able to do as a consumer so so like the digital consumer the millennial consumer
is going to all of a sudden start shifting business away like just Google
making this one update the millennial consumer is going to start going
somewhere else in the first place yeah for the sake of finding
easier parking I see it happening well you know what I do whenever I drive
anywhere which isn't often because I bike and whatever whatever but I will
always do Google Map instructions to my destination because it routes you around
traffic blockages in theory well I've had very good
luck with it for the most part I've had some experiences not that long ago
sitting in traffic with a red line
completely between me and my destination um do you remember that day tell you to
get off do you remember the day you guys did the Hot Dog Channel Super Fun hot
dog Olympics no I did wasn't I didn't participate in that oh okay well I was
trying to get back to the office and there was a massive accident oh yeah and
so I fired up Google Maps as I realized it was slowing down and it didn't I saw
a red line all the way so it knew it was taking a long time but my update like or
sorry my estimated time of arrival only ticked one minute for every minute that
passed like it didn't update to say that it was going to take longer you know
what at all the system is in in progress
they're working on it what can I say it
works better to have it open than to not have it so I'll always check I'll always
check with it avoided lots of congestion
that way jazz hands um I do have an update this
is really important um Jaz because we
talked about this on a previous WAN Show
and the facts of the matter are a little bit more complicated than they
originally made out to be by some uh Western media Publications using vpns
what UAE residents need to know so it's
not always illegal to be very clear that is not what happened sorry about that
um the legality actually hasn't changed and not all residents in the UAE who use
the technology could face imprisonment and fines so the confusion surrounding
the impact of the law stemmed from inaccurate reporting by Foreign news
websites according to a UAE based lawyer
so what has been amended in the cyber crime law is the amount of fines that
offenders will face in addition to the existing provision on
imprisonment so senior associate at C Co
suggested so as a lawyer suggested that private individuals aside from corporate
organizations don't run the risk of going to jail and paying a fine as long as they don't use a VPN to commit a
crime oh that's all how would you know misuse of the technology may still be
punishable well basically what they're saying it basically what they're doing
is they're taking something that's very difficult to track and putting a
horrendous punishment on it oh good so they can make an example out of whoever
gets caught cuz it fines up to like half a million US Dollars and imprisonment
for like years so you just have to find a VPN that does not keep logs or at
least says that they does not keep logs
and who really knows with all the gag orders going around would you would you
how knowledgeable I am about something sort of would you bet half a million
dollars on any of that that's what they're that's what they're half a
million dollar fine that's what they want you to consider when you're like I
just want to you know pirat some movies or I could you know be in The Slammer
and I I mean there's been a lot of million there's been a lot of uh debate
about the sort of creating very very
harsh punishments for crimes um and
whether that makes more sense than Correctional Facilities especially
around the death penalty and and also just like a general little bit of a
punishment for everyone rather than a huge punishment for some people yeah but
the issue is catching them I guess so so there's been a lot of debate as to
whether a whether stiffer penalties
actually serve as a deterr
well it's been it's been sort of demonstrated either way and it's an
ongoing debate because it especially centers around the death penalty right
yeah cuz yeah because there's no hope for rehabilitation with the death
penalty yeah like that's it so and basically they're saying that there's
you know oh well you should just make it the death penalty for everything because then no one will commit crimes because
they'll die there's a Star Trek episode about that exactly so this has been a
debate for decades literally decades um so I'm not sure if it'll end up working
out for them in this case but I guess we shall find
out this gives me some Hope For Humanity Facebook has tweaked their algorithm to
show you less clickbait
woo so the original article here is from the BBC Facebook to suppress clickbait
stories and Facebook let me tell you when they want to suppress something man
do they know how to do that they suppress something so they created new
guidelines around sponsored posts that
make it so that we have to put hasht ad and we have to which was already the
case yeah we already did that but we also have to tag on Facebook the company
that sponsored it we have to tag their Facebook page okay and this is so that
Facebook can basically turn around and offer that company a chance to promote
that post oh yeah and what they do is
they bury those posts like just oh
because you put ad on them and because you put yeah yeah so they're making it
oh yeah so their terms of service is that we have to identify it we have to
identify who paid for it to them in a way that they can act on and then they
will just crush the reach of it there is a whole there's two videos by Derek of
veritasium that you can watch about it's called Facebook fraud where he talks
about promoting a a page promoting a
fake page and promoting his real page and how the more you pay in the more you
need to pay in uh there's just a huge
number of problems with this whole like Facebook incentivizing you having to pay
them money to get any kind of visibility it reminds me a lot of
microtransactions in games like Pokemon go for example where once you start
paying to play you pretty much are stuck paying forever and it's just like more
money and every single thing that you do pushes you more towards giving them
money and it's like that's not fun for anybody we paid for Facebook reach once
did we y why did we do that I decided to try it what happened um we got a few
more views on the post and then it prompted me to pay more to get more
views oh what a surprise I just said that um and honestly compared to
creating I mean this is something that I think for for Soulless imagination lless
companies might make sense to pay for reach but for Content creators where our
entire our entire business is making content that people actually care about
for Content creators it is much much cheaper and more effective to just make
good content yes uh the SEO thing for
this is content is King but it doesn't help us when they intentionally Crush
certain posts oh yeah well of course they will I mean they're just it's just
I mean I stopped doing Facebook stuff like ages ago like they're not cool I'm
surprised you ever Facebook used to be cool
in the chat tell us about when Facebook was cool it used to be cool hold on
we're going to just this nonsense we're going to St this hold on we're going to
stra pull this and they slow I don't remember what update it was I think it
was like the timeline update where I was like okay I'm I'm sick of this now I'm
not going to keep on going it was a great way to keep in contact with your
high school buddies like if you watch the movie um what is it called social
network or maybe the social network boom all right guys check it out check it out
Facebook used to be cool very cool in that movie twitch chat says
1990 uh icq was cool Myspace was cool it
was cool it was also stupid but it was also cool um 2006 2009 year 1800 this is
why we never consult twitch chat about anything by the way this is what you're
learning the hard way well what a they today what what do you know what do I
know I know not to ask twitch chat anything I was looking at the camera and
asking that all right 55% of people are saying Facebook was
cool ah with 45% on my team oh well you
didn't add turnup in there so I think all the trolls are on your team the
trolls are not on my team yeah they they like trolls are never on my team yeah
they do not like me well okay the trolls love to hate on me it was
cool all right well thank you very much do you want to throw uh John in here cuz
there were a couple of things that I wanted presumably
I'm bringing my m& I'm going to jump right into our next topic here Euro oh
thank you look it's like it's like a little &m
Santa the M&M are a little salty I can't tell if that's like sweat or
not
anyway original article here is from eurogamer.net Hi l hey how's it going
hey everyone we have so many hosts today I actually like this which one am my
number three you're number three yeah
the Xbox One S has a performance boost and it has
been revealed and it has apparently been benchmarked by eurogamer.net have you
looked into this one at all no I haven't I think all the most of the topics I
wanted to do you do with tan so you didn't mark them I said I put them near
the top oh I yeah I I didn't know if
near the top meant at the top or like at the top next time put John I'm sorry John
it's fine that's fine and we can talk about the Xbox One S let's do it so it
was released August 2nd has a GPU clock speed of 914
MHz wow how many wow Vancouver 914 MHz
okay that's up from 853 on the older version it supports 4K as well as HDR
media and gaming it's amazing what you can do with uh what is that 61 MHz these
days who made the GPU do we know uh it's still still AMD okay uh 4K Ultra HD
Blu-ray and 4K video streaming are supported that's a positive that's a
plus HDR supported for games and video I just said that I okay notes are
redundant important Note HDMI 2.0 will
not be included so 4K is only available and up to 30 FPS so still even now
they're not putting HDMI 2 no when is this coming out so the thing to bear in
mind is that this is based on an
AMD oh I forget what the architecture it's but it's gcn whatever whatever
revision uh which did not support so it's like a generation too old so it's a
generation it's a gener yeah I think it's two two architectural Generations
old but depending on how you divide up AMD's lineup given that they have
products that are literally three generations old still in their lineup and they've been rebadged that have been
rebadged it's really really hard to draw a clear a clear line it upscales 1080P
or other content to 4K and Microsoft say some games ones that utilize Dynamic
resolution and or unlocked frame rates may see a very minor performance
Improvement our testing internally has shown this to be pretty minor and is
only measurable on certain games so we didn't want to make it a selling point
for the new console so yeah upscaling hasn't been a selling
point for a while on basically anything so
consoles is
this what do you think of the Xbox One
S what's the price point do we know yeah
it's out isn't it I don't know I don't care I have no idea what the price point
is I'm sorry I pay I pay so little
attention dbrand actually contacted me
um recently asking if I wanted an Xbox One S with their skin on it for a review
and I was like oh when's it coming he was like like I have it I'm like oh okay
sorry so are we just giving this a gigantic a gigantic shrug and then I
move on to there was one that I really wanted to talk to you about it was the
6% Netflix tax for Pennsylvania right
well I mean you know people compare the console
and the PC space so much but I mean I really feel like consoles or for a
different type of consumer they just want to plug something in and go for it
and they don't care whoa oh that is so much better why was this up here Taran
put it there yeah thank you jeez what
are we going to do with that guy you tell me but he I don't know but uh so I
mean in that vein I guess it would make I I think if you're in the console
Market the price it might matter like a little bit less like oh you can get so
much more performance on a PC for this amount of money but at the same time if
you're saying oh I just want something I can plug in and go with and not have to
worry about drivers or putting anything together and I want it to do 4K then
there we go so basically the Xbox One S is just another console to you it
doesn't matter that it's smaller or or like 60 MHz faster all right serious
question let's move on to this one's pretty
interesting there will be a 6% Netflix
tax for citizens of
Pennsylvania USA so you want to want to walk us
through this the doc's here by the way so it's Netflix it's Hulu it's Spotify
if you have a um if you have like a Spotify Premium subscription so
basically all stuff is going to get taxed now any kind of streaming media
thing so see what I want to understand is what
would be the justification for attacks on streaming
media the state might be broke like a lot of the states
are hey here's an easy way to make money let's just tax this thing that everyone
else is watching instead of paying for cable so really that do you think it's
that simple so do you think it's as simple as them not get okay a cable
subscription is closer to $100 a month right do you think it's as simple as
them not getting there and I'm going to throw an arbitrary number because sales
tax varies wildly from state to state and even within Canada actually we'll
real quick for you that it says right here done to help offset a$ 1.3 billion
hole in the state budget okay there you have it but please continue so do you
think this is as simple enough a calculation that we could just go okay
so a cable bill used to be $100 a month and let's say they had a
10% uh you know know sales tax and so they get 10 bucks for your cable bill so
as people stop spending money on cable and they start buying Netflix subscriptions for $7 or $8 a month now
they have to just charge like a $7 or $8 Levy to make up the difference I mean is
that what's happening here I don't know I mean you already get
stuck with like however many SE charges on your cable bill they might not call
them taxes but they're often like government fees or like something or
another so I don't know I think I think
States recently have gotten very very upset when there's certain things that
people just buy just like you would buy anything else with or just how you would
buy anything else and they don't get don't get a cut of the taxes for it like
crossb shopping yes online yeah back in North Carolina where I'm from they
recently started having the Amazon tax they call it a use tax but it's really
just another sales tax where if you get an Amazon receipt and they didn't charge
you tax on it you're supposed to supposed to every year say oh I bought
$30 worth of Widgets or toilet paper or
whatever else from Amazon and and so you owe the state like you know a dollar or
two on your tax return but almost Nobody Does it it's kind of a joke but they
still try I mean that's the thing that's going to make that that makes law so
complicated in the United States because that's what it is it's a United States
it's not it it's okay don't take this the wrong way but it's not as much of a
country as it is you're a glomerate of
like city states but but like actual States cities that's part of part of why
the Civil War happened talking about it for a long time so yeah it's not like
America's happy about this situation either so so I mean here in Canada it
got as it was as simple as the federal government said no this will not fly
this happened about four or five 5 years ago oh they tried to attack streaming
services up here did that happen no not streaming services um crossb uh crossb
online and basically what they did is
they put Theus on the retailer they said okay well fine NCI you're located in
British Columbia good for you you are now responsible for collecting
provincial sales tax from every Province and submitting that to those provinces
done and it was implemented within I think about a year that seems a lot
simpler but I don't know I don't know if it's just because we have so many more
people or what but um but I I also
understand what you're saying you know the federal character of the US and oh
like every state needs to decide how they're going to try to get their cut so
very very interesting to me yeah it's not going to come out to be a ton of
money like if you pay for you know if you send what like 10 bucks a month on a
Netflix subscription over the course of a year that doesn't work out to be a
whole lot but still you know there's going to be people who are angry about
that you know so all right well I actually don't have
that much left I'm I'm sorry I screwed up and did the topics that you wanted to
help earli on in the show next time we do this I'll I'll make it more clear is
there anything else you wanted to jump through did we talk about the set top box thing from the cop no we didn't
actually we can do that one as our last topic sure uh hold on let me just pull
it up here set oh crap contrl F set is
not the best um offset set toop there we go all right so the original article
here is from RS Technica I'm just going to pull this up while John walks you
guys through what's going on with this this baby right here oh gra as soon as
you said it my like Google doc jumped everywhere but let's find it again okay
so I'll start oh there we go okay okay go ahead okay so right now there's a
dispute between the SEC and the US copyright office about whether cable
companies should be forced to unlock their set toop boxes so right now if you
have a cable subscription at least in the US you get like a little box that sits either above or below your TV you
hook it up with an HDMI cable but everything that comes into the box is
copy protected in some form or another so it's not like in the good old days
where we could just have a VCR record anything you want to onto a blank tape
um is you can't just you know plug in a USB sticker a computer and say okay
record to be clear there are ways around it there are ways around it but if
you're just trying to do it without implementing any kind of you know
subversion mechanism or whatever then yeah you can't do it so and it is
illegal to copy encrypted content but
that's a whole other conversation yes it is okay so basically what's so what's
going on now so they're trying to Wrangle over whether they're going to
adopt this this um SEC rule um the SEC
is being a little bit more Pro consumer in this case they want to force the
cable companies to say yo you have to unlock your setti boxes so if a paying
customer wants to watch whatever it is Game of Thrones whatever else um and
they're not in front of their TV at the time it's being shown but they also they
want to watch it like somewhere else they don't want to DVR it they have to
let the consumer be able to do that right and the copyright office is saying
no we can't because Zer just going to crap all over the copyright owner's
rights and there's no way there's no way to like license us out correctly and all
this other stuff um so they're try they're trying to figure that out right
now so ah and I mean you got to remember too
that the cable providers are obviously going to be putting pressure on anyone
that they possibly can to salvage more ways for them to make Revenue I mean if
they could sell the ability to stream it to your phone to yourself while it's
happening while you're on the bus I'm sure theyd love to do that don't don't
some of them already do that I believe so yes yeah like the on demand video and all that but they're trying to they're
trying to like increase or the SEC rule is designed to try to increase
flexibility for cable customers and I remember that well I don't remember
because I was either not alive or very young with this happened but we actually
studied this a little bit in law school when the uh VCR came out and that was
like the latest and greatest thing uh TV
TV studios and movie studios and cable providers were concerned that oh this is
going to lead incredibly rampant copyright infringement this is going to
just you know undermine the entire system so it end up going to court and
we all kind of know how that turned out people used VCRs anyway to record URL or
whatever people watched back in the 90s and everything was okay the show is
called Family Matters and people were still buying cable subscriptions so this
is this is kind of similar but I think here the concern might be a bit
different because back in the '90s you weren't just going to send out 2 million
free copies of a TV show because you felt like it but these days it takes
that amount of time to upload something onto the internet so and it's also a lot
more user friendly to record these days um like back then you had to you had to
hover over your VCR and what's the difference between LP and EP I don't
know what this is oh no Long play versus
extended play why are they named like
this um so I think that's pretty much it
for the W show then guys thank you very much for tuning in thanks to our special
guest joined us John Taran and Nick
actually I don't want to thank Taran thanks to our special guests who joined us John and Nick and uh Taran was here
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