1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:08,720 okay come here come here okay so this is our mining GPU that we're using 2 00:00:05,359 --> 00:00:11,519 for gaming in spite of its complete lack 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:16,320 of any video outputs but you've seen this before 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:19,760 and the last time we left you guys we weren't recommending these things even 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:26,000 though they're like 75 bucks for the equivalent of a gtx 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:29,199 1060 because the only drivers we had for 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,679 them were modified by some chinese 8 00:00:29,199 --> 00:00:37,440 driver modification team and we had no way of knowing exactly what was inside 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:40,559 them but today all of that changes first 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:43,920 and foremost we are going to manually 11 00:00:40,559 --> 00:00:46,800 modify NVIDIA's drivers ourselves making 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:50,559 this completely safe to use second while we're at it we're going to 13 00:00:48,559 --> 00:00:54,879 kill NVIDIA's telemetry that they build into their drivers and third 14 00:00:53,199 --> 00:00:58,719 we are going to run this in sli 15 00:00:56,879 --> 00:01:03,600 with one of these which is like what 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:07,600 what running a real gaming GPU with a mining one in sli they're not even the 17 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:13,360 same part number oh and while we're at it the 1060 doesn't even support sli 18 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,240 but we're gonna do it you know what else we're gonna do tell 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:20,159 you about our sponsor glasswire with glasswire you can 20 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:24,159 instantly see your current and past network activity you can detect malware 21 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:28,880 and block badly behaving apps on your pc or Android device and you can get it for 22 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:35,659 25 off at the link in the video description with offer code Linus 23 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:44,240 okay so here's the situation right now we're not quite starting from scratch 24 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:48,960 but pretty close so we've already disabled driver signing and you can see 25 00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:53,200 how to do that in our previous video here where we use the the modified 26 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:57,520 chinese driver but other than that we're looking at a pretty bone stock 27 00:01:54,960 --> 00:02:03,119 configuration here so our p106 mining GPU is installed in our system but the 28 00:02:00,479 --> 00:02:06,960 drivers for it are not loaded in any way we're in a in a completely blank state 29 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:11,440 and we're running entirely off of the onboard graphics that are built into our 30 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:14,959 CPU here so Anthony's back hi 31 00:02:18,239 --> 00:02:24,720 uh before we go any further i want to lay out what our ideal scenario would be 32 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:29,520 here because in our last video we weren't just relying on a driver of 33 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:34,879 unknown origins it was also a little bit on the older side so in a perfect world 34 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:39,760 we would want our p106 mining card here to behave exactly like a gtx 1060 35 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:44,080 because hardware wise they're the same thing so that means gaming support 36 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:48,879 compute support and even end bank video encoding support and all of that while 37 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:53,040 being able to run the very latest drivers however we've run into some 38 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,879 challenges and we are going to have to make a few compromises here so 39 00:02:55,599 --> 00:03:00,959 what do we got well first of all we won't be able to run on 40 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:05,040 the latest driver at least not right now the way it works right now it we're just 41 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,680 getting a code 43 error every time so 42 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:12,400 either NVIDIA has changed something or they've hatched it or whatever either 43 00:03:09,599 --> 00:03:16,319 way we're stuck with 416.34 aside from that as far as i know it's not possible 44 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:20,159 to get mvx to work so so you're stuck with quick sync which 45 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:26,560 fortunately you're gonna have to have because you're running your onboard graphics anyway in order to even get a 46 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:28,400 display output from this thing or x264 47 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:34,480 so with that out of the way Anthony is going to start by downloading our own 48 00:03:31,519 --> 00:03:39,519 fresh version of that 416 series driver and then taking the chinese one and the 49 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:43,920 NVIDIA one and comparing what the difference is between them so that we 50 00:03:41,599 --> 00:03:48,720 can replicate the modifications that the chinese team has made that allows the 51 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:53,519 driver to be installed without copying over anything that could be 52 00:03:50,959 --> 00:03:57,360 nefariously hidden inside it so i'm using notepad plus plus and the reason 53 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:00,319 for that is it's free it's pretty great actually it's got a huge number of 54 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:04,879 features including this compare feature which we can access via this plugins 55 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:08,319 section here we just type in compare and i've already installed it so it's in 56 00:04:06,239 --> 00:04:12,560 here but yeah once you have that just go to you load up your first file go to 57 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:16,880 plugins compare set as first to compare i've already done that now i will load 58 00:04:14,799 --> 00:04:20,079 up the other one which is this chinese driver 59 00:04:17,919 --> 00:04:23,600 plugins compare compare so here we have a full listing of 60 00:04:22,479 --> 00:04:28,000 everything that is different between these two drivers so as we can see these 61 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:33,120 lines here have been modified so where it used to say section 110 it now says 62 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:39,120 section 108 which is actually the same if you look at these device ids 1c06 is 63 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:44,320 actually the gtx 1060 one c07 is our p106 they have different sections in the 64 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:47,919 vanilla driver but in the chinese driver they do not that is the primary thing 65 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:52,400 we're going to be changing here okay now the final one of these sections here 66 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:55,840 you'll notice that it actually says that it's 109 instead of 110. it's dropped 67 00:04:54,320 --> 00:05:00,320 down a number the same is true over here so we'll just follow here so it'll be 68 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:05,759 107 for each basically what we're doing is we're copying the same config from 69 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:08,240 our 1c06 which is our gtx 1060. so we 70 00:05:05,759 --> 00:05:13,199 want section 107 for all of these things now what we're doing here is basically 71 00:05:11,039 --> 00:05:17,280 just tricking the driver into thinking it's compatible we're not actually 72 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:21,280 changing any of the functional files of the driver installation is that 73 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:25,520 correct that's right and if we go down through the rest of the comparison here 74 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:29,759 there is nothing different really so then it's possible that our chinese 75 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:34,000 driver was totally clean yeah possible but i mean we don't know about the exes 76 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:37,280 the inf is perfectly fine we can make some additional changes while we're here 77 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:42,880 though telemetry isn't it convenient that they just listed under nv telemetry 78 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:45,520 yeah for those not familiar telemetry is 79 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:49,919 a feature of a software or driver that reports back on your usage to the 80 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:55,039 manufacturer and a lot of the time this is stuff that 81 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:59,360 you can opt out of but a lot of the time it's just baked right in so there you go 82 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:03,120 we passed our compatibility check yep let's go ahead and install it of course 83 00:06:01,039 --> 00:06:05,600 we do not want GeForce experience also don't care about 3d vision because we 84 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:11,520 don't actually have anything that we can connect it to and hopefully we will get 85 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:16,960 the same exact thing we got the other day but we did it for ourselves on a 86 00:06:13,919 --> 00:06:20,319 fresh driver hey there we go all right 87 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:22,560 so that's it if nothing else we now can 88 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:25,759 say confidently that if you pick up one of these mining cards and use this 89 00:06:24,479 --> 00:06:29,039 method on this particular driver you will be 90 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,240 able to play games 91 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:38,639 yeah that monitor doesn't really have a shield on its 92 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:42,639 yeah the biggest criticism we had last time is that we didn't actually show the 93 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:48,560 Intel integrated and how poorly that performed oh really 94 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:51,280 yeah oh uh it would be worse than this 95 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:54,800 a lot worse yeah this is deus ex mankind divided running at 1080p 96 00:06:53,759 --> 00:07:00,800 at greater than eight frames per second so 97 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:04,880 it's working now the thing is even though we're 98 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:08,560 having trouble moving on to the latest drivers which would give us support for 99 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,520 things like oh i mean i guess freesync doesn't matter because you'd be you 100 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:15,840 could actually have freesync running off of Intel's onboard graphics yeah oh you 101 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:20,639 could never mind depending on whether or not your onboard graphics supports freesync okay but still there are good 102 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:24,479 reasons to be running the latest drivers now we're not saying it's impossible 103 00:07:23,039 --> 00:07:28,880 we're just saying that when we applied this same method to 104 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:33,919 the latest drivers even checking line by line 105 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:37,919 we weren't successful so it might just be down to people who are a little bit 106 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:42,560 better versed in their driver modification wizardry to figure out what 107 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:46,240 the additional things that NVIDIA has changed whether just 108 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:50,880 through the course of changing things to make them better or to specifically 109 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:52,160 block this in order to make that work 110 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:56,800 either way at the very least using a slightly older 111 00:07:54,400 --> 00:08:00,080 driver we have a working gaming system 112 00:07:58,479 --> 00:08:04,879 on the cheap but that's not where we stopped today for 113 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:09,120 our next trick we're gonna run this thing in sli now 114 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:13,599 we're still gonna have to deal with that same driver compatibility limitation 115 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:20,240 because one of the cards in our system is one of these p106 mining cards but 116 00:08:17,039 --> 00:08:23,199 what it at least demonstrates is that 117 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:27,520 from a proof of concept standpoint this can work so you might think that this 118 00:08:25,599 --> 00:08:32,240 process is as simple as throwing a real gtx 1060 into the system and then again 119 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:37,440 forcing our driver to install remember it's an unsigned driver now so you gotta 120 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:41,200 do that process manually but as we're about to discover 121 00:08:39,599 --> 00:08:45,680 it did not it did not 122 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:50,640 oh hi mark whatever the point is there's no sli option in here whatsoever so 123 00:08:48,959 --> 00:08:55,519 now what some kind of weird thing off the tech powerup form yeah what are we 124 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:57,360 doing so it's a program called different 125 00:08:55,519 --> 00:09:00,640 sli auto it's currently in the downloads folder but you guys will have to 126 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:05,360 download and extract that for yourselves and we don't actually want to run the 127 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,560 program okay that would be too easy yes 128 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:11,120 it used to work but it doesn't anymore so 129 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:16,240 so you'll want to go to see Windows system 32 driver store and now we want 130 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:19,519 to sort it by date we want to copy the uh 131 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:25,120 nvldmkm it's the driver itself i might not see this here 132 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:29,360 yeah i couldn't find it earlier either okay so just in a sea of envy paste it 133 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:33,600 into the different sli auto folder now you want to open up a hex editor i 134 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:37,839 downloaded hxd it's free should be there on the desktop okay oh you got it you 135 00:09:35,839 --> 00:09:44,320 want to search for this for the string of uh values seven five zero five zero f 136 00:09:41,839 --> 00:09:47,360 b a oh i already had it there okay cool there it is so we want to change that so 137 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:52,360 you'll want to go to the beginning of that and type in yeah c74324000 138 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:03,279 the hard part's over okay so we want to go back to the folder you 139 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:07,760 got that driver from we want to take the folder name itself copy that and this is 140 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:11,760 probably also already auto populated but if you go back to the different sli auto 141 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:15,839 folder yep right click install.cmd go to edit see where it says the nb disk inf 142 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:19,680 that kind of stuff there you want to replace that in every 143 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:23,279 every every instance so you can use the replace function in notepad for that 144 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:29,120 yeah all right so then we want to restart into safe mode 145 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:31,760 oh lordy okay so networking yeah sure 146 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:36,320 all right next you're going to want to go into that folder again different sli 147 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:39,440 auto and run install.cmd as administrator i guess it's the same 148 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:44,640 thing in safe mode anyway you know what let's just do it okay boom reboot now 149 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:50,640 for changes to take effect yep so what have we done here sign the driver really 150 00:10:48,079 --> 00:10:55,519 supposedly it doesn't actually work oh okay um that's something that we can do 151 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:59,600 though um something that requires a lot more busting around that 152 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:04,959 we don't really want to do right now it does that copies the modified driver that we 153 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:08,959 change the bits around in to the proper locations in Windows yep 154 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:14,959 and well that's really about it and then just to clarify for the viewers 155 00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:19,440 out there changing those hex values have we done anything unsafe to our system 156 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:22,880 have we potentially compromised it not compromised no but who told us to change 157 00:11:21,519 --> 00:11:29,680 those values well it's actually a guy on the tech powerup 158 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:31,519 forums okay by the name of um 159 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:34,800 pretentious yeah there we go that's the name yeah he's got a little script that 160 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:39,360 he runs that takes about an hour or two to find where exactly the string that we 161 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:43,839 found yeah is in each driver release and he just updates it on the forum it's 162 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:48,320 pretty great basically what it does yeah is it disables the check for sli as far 163 00:11:46,079 --> 00:11:52,079 as motherboard compatibility and you know enter GPU compatibility so to be 164 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:58,800 clear you guys aren't going to be running an rtx 2080 ti and 165 00:11:55,360 --> 00:12:01,680 a gtx 1030 and sli at least not 166 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:06,560 to any positive effect but over here in a case where we have two 167 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:09,760 gpus that we know are identical other than NVIDIA 168 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:13,760 deciding they're not our expectation is that we would 169 00:12:11,839 --> 00:12:17,839 actually be able to achieve an improvement in performance 170 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:20,480 so here it is the sli option is there in the driver we're going to go ahead and 171 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:26,120 enable it and bippidy 172 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:36,079 oh keyboard light just went off as it turns out that sli mod will not work 173 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:37,279 with the p106 unfortunately whatever 174 00:12:36,079 --> 00:12:42,880 maybe it's the fact that it doesn't have outputs maybe it's the fact that they have two different v BIOS's that are you 175 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,639 know for whatever reason right now it does not work if we could force the card 176 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:53,360 to take a different b bias that might work but i haven't been able to get that to work either i mean we can still run 177 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,519 gtx 1060 is an sli i guess that's still fun 178 00:12:54,079 --> 00:13:00,720 all right so what we've done here is we've manually installed our driver again 179 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:05,279 moved our HDMI cable over to this GPU and we're going to go ahead and enable 180 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:10,639 our other device which got automatically disabled somewhere along the way it's 181 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,639 kind of like a precautionary measure hey 182 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:17,600 sli enabled on the gtx 1060. 183 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:19,040 where's my deus ex at now beaches i'm 184 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:22,560 actually not sure what the scaling would be like here 185 00:13:21,279 --> 00:13:27,519 now the thing here is that there's nothing particularly amazing about 186 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:31,120 running graphics cards in a multi-GPU configuration without a bridge running 187 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:36,000 between them in fact AMD has been doing it this way for several generations now 188 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:40,560 NVIDIA though has stuck to their guns saying that the available bandwidth over 189 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:44,720 the pci express slots is not enough to handle the intercard communication and 190 00:13:42,399 --> 00:13:50,000 has even gone as far as to upgrade the original sli link to the new envy link 191 00:13:48,079 --> 00:13:56,720 standard that you'll see on their rtx cards with that said even though we won't be 192 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:59,120 able to speak to necessarily 193 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:03,680 you know micro stuttering and how this solution affects something like that we 194 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:07,600 can see if we could at least get an FPS improvement with this configuration and 195 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:11,120 we'll know pretty shortly here yeah the benchmark only takes 90 seconds 196 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:16,399 hey wow that's a pretty nice little improvement 197 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:21,279 there isn't it yeah so 198 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:24,399 once again our experimenting with NVIDIA 199 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:27,199 graphics cards video does come with some 200 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:31,920 caveats this isn't necessarily a configuration we'd recommend sli is in 201 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:36,800 most cases not as good an option as simply getting 202 00:14:34,079 --> 00:14:42,000 a single higher powered graphics card so i don't even necessarily disagree with 203 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:46,639 NVIDIA disabling sli by default on their lower end cards it's just something that 204 00:14:44,079 --> 00:14:51,120 was kind of fun to do and interesting to show you guys 205 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:54,639 just how simple it is for manufacturers 206 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:56,800 to lock down and or enable functionality 207 00:14:54,639 --> 00:15:00,560 at least from a sort of hex editor perspective now the qc that would 208 00:14:58,959 --> 00:15:04,160 actually go into ensuring that this would be an adequate solution for their 209 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:07,440 users that's a completely separate story and 210 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:14,079 maybe part of the reason that manufacturers won't allow functionality 211 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:15,920 that they otherwise 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