WEBVTT

00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.460
I know I know the vision pro is out and I have tried it in fact the first time is

00:00:10.460 --> 00:00:15.760
in this video look it's taken a while and so this video won't have my thoughts

00:00:15.760 --> 00:00:19.320
but in the intervening time what I did was interviewed a few people who

00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:26.360
shelled out over $3,500 for the headset like who are these people and why did you

00:00:26.360 --> 00:00:30.560
buy a vision pro why did you buy an ample vision pro or at least in your case

00:00:30.560 --> 00:00:32.880
four

00:00:33.680 --> 00:00:40.040
obviously to play Genshin oh I guess that makes sense because Matt Beck strand

00:00:40.040 --> 00:00:45.000
who also goes by the name so Luna online does in fact run a Genshin impact

00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:49.080
themed YouTube channel and while he did obviously get it to run on the vision

00:00:49.080 --> 00:00:53.440
pro it wasn't the sole reason he shelled out for one the biggest reason is I'm

00:00:53.440 --> 00:00:58.280
just passionate about technology and VR and AR in general any other people like

00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:02.320
me believe in the ability to interface with the computer in a way that's not

00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:06.640
possible without a device like this on a software level Apple is taking an AR VR

00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:10.480
device in a direction that other manufacturers just haven't I wanted to

00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:14.680
try it just for that reason alone the second reason is I have a friend he's

00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:20.760
spent I don't know like five years or something a large chunk of his life at this point working on the vision pro since it's a release now we've been

00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:24.120
talking about it with him a lot and it's just kind of you know fun for me on a

00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:28.880
personal like level to talk about a thing that he worked on Matt wasn't the

00:01:28.880 --> 00:01:32.840
only Apple vision pro purchaser I posed this question to because I also called

00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:37.400
Ian Zalbo a computer science student at Brown University and 3d graphics artist

00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:41.080
responsible for the vision pro render you saw on every rumor blog post over the

00:01:41.080 --> 00:01:46.800
past few years and finally I also spoke to John Dagdalen founder of the mixed

00:01:46.800 --> 00:01:51.440
reality app fluid who also generously helped us pre-order LMG's own vision

00:01:51.440 --> 00:01:57.120
pro so I've been in using VR and XR devices for I guess like four years now

00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:02.040
I got my feet wet with the quest one and it just opened my mind to what it

00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:07.080
could be and I was inspired to create a an app where you can put web browsers

00:02:07.080 --> 00:02:11.480
around you and web apps and anything really and then be able to work on it

00:02:11.480 --> 00:02:15.120
in a flexible workspace and so we've been we've been making an app called

00:02:15.160 --> 00:02:19.320
fluid to do this and then when the vision pro is announced it had a lot of the

00:02:19.320 --> 00:02:23.000
same ideas that we've been working on for a few months and I had to see it for

00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:27.960
myself and I think just being in this world of XR is really the reason I've

00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:34.160
been reflecting on it the past few days I don't know was it an impulsive an

00:02:34.160 --> 00:02:38.240
impulsive it wasn't okay it wasn't impulsive because I really did think

00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:41.240
about it because obviously it's an absurd amount of money I just wanted to

00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:46.880
give it a try and I think today I'm past my return window so I'm stuck with it

00:02:46.880 --> 00:02:52.800
so did you pre-order it or did you I did pre-order it I figured if I hate it I

00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:56.880
can return it but now you can't but now I can't so I guess you don't hate it I

00:02:56.880 --> 00:03:01.960
don't hate it no what does that mean I don't know I just I think it's just so

00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:08.480
it's so fun to use I don't think I'm doing anything exactly new but it's what

00:03:08.500 --> 00:03:16.200
I normally do in a new interesting way what was the buying experience like for

00:03:16.200 --> 00:03:20.680
you so I bought it online oh actually good god actually just reminded me it

00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:26.840
was not as smooth as I remember it initially was smooth okay but then my

00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:30.760
payment wouldn't go through then I needed to place a new order but they

00:03:30.760 --> 00:03:35.200
forced me to order a new prescription inserts in order to get the correct

00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:40.520
size light feel I did the pickup and it was actually a very strange experience I

00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:45.600
think there was four other people in the store and I came at I think it was 10

00:03:45.600 --> 00:03:49.720
a.m. I thought it was gonna be like another iPhone 15 day with the lines

00:03:49.720 --> 00:03:55.040
all the way down the mall but there was nobody and then I set it up in the store

00:03:55.040 --> 00:04:00.200
and proceeded to use it for the next three hours in the store oh really you

00:04:00.200 --> 00:04:04.840
stayed in the store yep I stayed in the store for a long time and I posted about

00:04:04.880 --> 00:04:08.720
it and like people came to like meet me in the store that's how long I was there

00:04:08.720 --> 00:04:14.120
I mean I FaceTime like 40 people showed them my persona and you know it was a

00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:18.880
really really fun day I haven't I haven't felt that in probably since I got

00:04:18.880 --> 00:04:26.040
like the iPhone 10 you had ever a few days or a week now what do you think

00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:31.060
about it to simplify it down I would say my current experience with it is it's

00:04:31.100 --> 00:04:35.620
mostly really enjoyable as a 2d entertainment device and 3d entertainment

00:04:35.620 --> 00:04:40.220
but there's not that much 3d entertainment available so mostly it's just like I

00:04:40.220 --> 00:04:45.100
watched a lot of anime or whatever so I can go on Crunchyroll and I can put my

00:04:45.100 --> 00:04:48.220
anime in a 50 inch screen instead of being like you know I'm gonna watch it on

00:04:48.220 --> 00:04:53.780
my tiny iPhone screen right that's better is it $4,000 better that's what

00:04:53.780 --> 00:05:01.340
it costs me after tax is it $4,000 better maybe some people I think it's

00:05:01.340 --> 00:05:07.660
really good it's the best VR headset that you can buy right now the the the

00:05:07.660 --> 00:05:12.860
resolution of the like virtual content is just unbelievably good I don't think

00:05:12.860 --> 00:05:16.060
we need to go farther for it to hit massive adoption in terms of resolution

00:05:16.060 --> 00:05:19.420
I do have issues with comfort on the Vision Pro I find it very just very

00:05:19.420 --> 00:05:23.260
heavy on my face like a lot of people I think have echoed similar things but

00:05:23.460 --> 00:05:27.980
overall I mean I love I love what they've done I don't know I was instantly

00:05:27.980 --> 00:05:34.500
surprised at like the eye tracking honestly it's it's just absurd but I

00:05:34.500 --> 00:05:39.180
didn't like really realize you really just navigate with your eyes and I used

00:05:39.180 --> 00:05:46.820
it for probably like five hours the first day and I honestly felt like myself

00:05:46.820 --> 00:05:52.700
change I know let me explain this I I went to exit my friend's room and I

00:05:52.740 --> 00:05:58.300
looked at his doorknob and I pinched I swear to God it was it was a scary

00:05:58.300 --> 00:06:06.780
moment for me I'm curious how different you look I've heard people say it's

00:06:06.780 --> 00:06:10.660
pretty good my mom described it like me as a football player so I don't know

00:06:10.660 --> 00:06:14.300
what to think about that wow that's kind of cool you've interacted with some

00:06:14.300 --> 00:06:18.140
personas what would you say is the difference between like you've seen the

00:06:18.140 --> 00:06:23.260
person in real life versus the persona like how off is it it really depends on

00:06:23.260 --> 00:06:29.020
the scan yeah we actually there's a tweet on my account where I took someone's

00:06:29.020 --> 00:06:33.500
persona and overlaid it on their face and put it next to it so you can compare

00:06:33.500 --> 00:06:38.820
it what do you think it looked pretty good yeah I think his persona looked

00:06:38.820 --> 00:06:44.660
better than the real the real thing so your mom was right about the football

00:06:44.860 --> 00:06:51.540
it makes my neck like weirdly why doesn't I do want you to put it on oh yeah

00:06:51.540 --> 00:06:56.300
I never saw the eyesight it works like surprisingly well like I saw myself in

00:06:56.300 --> 00:07:00.940
the mirror the eyesight turned and I was like oh that's weird it is weird but I

00:07:00.940 --> 00:07:05.820
think the idea this is really good I think really I've been FaceTiming a

00:07:05.820 --> 00:07:10.740
lot of friends like friends I haven't talked to in a while just to show them

00:07:11.020 --> 00:07:16.460
and then I've also one of my favorite things was my friend Ray he's at

00:07:16.460 --> 00:07:20.700
Inverse and he was like do you want to FaceTime? we FaceTimed when we played you

00:07:20.700 --> 00:07:25.740
know Game Room so we played like we played Battleship and I never never talked

00:07:25.740 --> 00:07:30.060
to him in person but it felt so weirdly real like I had his little face right

00:07:30.060 --> 00:07:34.540
there and you know I would like pick up the Battleship movement I would see a

00:07:34.540 --> 00:07:39.060
little missile go across the screen to his it was it was really fun I've tried

00:07:39.060 --> 00:07:44.580
some persona calls but I gotta say like for doing a call inside the headset

00:07:44.580 --> 00:07:49.500
where you're both wearing it it's it's meaningfully different it's been part

00:07:49.500 --> 00:07:52.660
of this bigger discussion of like work from home versus back to office and

00:07:52.660 --> 00:07:56.780
stuff there you might not need to make that trade off in the future and did you

00:07:56.780 --> 00:08:01.420
find that convincing in the Vision Pro so far it's not quite there yet you

00:08:01.420 --> 00:08:04.980
can't just point to a thing on the screen have somebody like look at it and

00:08:05.020 --> 00:08:09.860
see you know things like that are really important I think and also I think it's

00:08:09.860 --> 00:08:14.060
still too hard to get whatever software you want on these devices these the app

00:08:14.060 --> 00:08:18.420
stores are a little bit too restricted in my opinion like on my MacBook I can

00:08:18.420 --> 00:08:21.540
just I can literally write a program and run it on it but that's not the case

00:08:21.540 --> 00:08:25.420
for for this technology yet I would love to see it get to that place because I

00:08:25.420 --> 00:08:30.180
think that's just good for for all of us yeah I agree with you it that's

00:08:30.220 --> 00:08:36.740
definitely one thing I'm most worried about actually with those in Pro I also

00:08:36.740 --> 00:08:40.740
intend to have my grandparents try it they're not tacky people I think they're

00:08:40.740 --> 00:08:44.740
gonna get it pretty quickly but I think they're gonna get it and they're gonna

00:08:44.740 --> 00:08:49.740
see the value in it they immediately probably unbelievable how big it's like

00:08:49.740 --> 00:08:57.500
a huge TV screen that's crazy when I have them try I plan to not tell them how

00:08:57.500 --> 00:09:02.340
much it costs and then ask them how much is worth after they try it I would say

00:09:02.340 --> 00:09:09.180
it's probably a two thousand two to three thousand dollar item 999 dollars

00:09:09.180 --> 00:09:15.060
and 99 cents I really wish it was that low either they haven't internalized a

00:09:15.060 --> 00:09:19.700
lifetime's worth of inflation or Apple really is charging too much for the

00:09:19.700 --> 00:09:23.580
Vision Pro whatever the case those who has shelled out all this money on the

00:09:23.580 --> 00:09:28.540
Vision Pro are at least getting it onto the heads of the rest of us they're

00:09:28.540 --> 00:09:32.180
sharing their passion for technology which for being honest is what drove them

00:09:32.180 --> 00:09:37.140
to buy it in the first place so this is gonna be my first time wearing this oh

00:09:37.140 --> 00:09:44.700
my goodness here we go there we go there we go whoa hello

00:09:44.700 --> 00:09:52.420
wow it seems like you're quite an Apple enthusiast and I'm kind of curious

00:09:52.540 --> 00:09:57.420
about that what's sort of the background the story my parents were always very

00:09:57.420 --> 00:10:02.740
interested in Apple so I think I was always just kind of immersed in that

00:10:02.740 --> 00:10:09.580
and I saw the iPod Nano 6 I saw a commercial for that when I was like six

00:10:09.580 --> 00:10:15.340
or seven years old and thought that was the coolest thing ever and so I saved

00:10:15.340 --> 00:10:19.700
up all my allowance money and then I I got it and then proceeded to wear it as

00:10:19.700 --> 00:10:24.220
an Apple watch for the next like five years I hate to call myself an Apple

00:10:24.220 --> 00:10:27.540
enthusiast but that is that is what I am it would be hard to find something that

00:10:27.540 --> 00:10:31.500
I don't have from them to give Apple credit my tech enthusiasm started with

00:10:31.500 --> 00:10:35.620
Apple really the very first tech device that started like majority of liking

00:10:35.620 --> 00:10:39.580
tech was buying an iPod like a fourth-gen iPod Nano I love the thing I

00:10:39.580 --> 00:10:43.460
still have it so I say I say to my meager allowance to buy that iPod and

00:10:43.460 --> 00:10:47.820
that caused me to be a hardcore Apple fanboy like entirely throughout middle

00:10:47.820 --> 00:10:52.020
school funnily enough the thing that caused me just like level out was

00:10:52.020 --> 00:10:58.740
Minecraft so I like working out like edge technologies especially when

00:10:58.740 --> 00:11:02.180
they're underappreciated and I feel like I can kind of elevate them and get them

00:11:02.180 --> 00:11:06.860
going and so once AI really kicked off and everyone was talking about LLMs and

00:11:06.860 --> 00:11:11.980
it was like everywhere it kind of my site started getting set on like what I

00:11:11.980 --> 00:11:16.340
think is the next really important technology for for all of us and I think

00:11:16.420 --> 00:11:22.380
XR really is that I remember anticipating the vision pros announcement puzzled at

00:11:22.380 --> 00:11:26.580
the question of what's this for so much so that I went out and interviewed a few

00:11:26.580 --> 00:11:31.140
different people to figure out what we could expect it was an interesting

00:11:31.140 --> 00:11:35.180
conversation that you can and should watch and it didn't turn out to be that

00:11:35.180 --> 00:11:39.220
far off of what the vision pro was pitched as thanks for shelling out the

00:11:39.220 --> 00:11:45.060
money for this Mac Address I'm curious who of you actually spent the money for

00:11:45.060 --> 00:11:51.980
a vision pro and why and if you want to watch another video you should check the one out that we released just before the vision pro got announced or asked what

00:11:51.980 --> 00:11:55.180
could this thing even be for