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i signed a non-disclosure agreement with Intel that prohibits me from reviewing

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any of the 12th gen core alder lake family chips that they sent me until the

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embargo lifts what it doesn't prevent me from doing is going out on the open

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market and buying this core i9 12900k

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engineering sample on chinese craigslist is it legit how's it going to perform

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should you go buy engineering samples to get early access to upcoming platforms

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will Intel ever talk to me again the obspot tiny 4k gives you a smoother

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webcam experience with ai powered auto framing gesture controls and 4k

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recording learn more at the end of this video or at the link in the video description

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this cost me 4 500 chinese yuan which is

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about a hundred dollars more than a retail chip but i'm hands-on with what

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is supposedly the core i9 12 12900k

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or at least some variation of it now i've talked about this in detail before

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but when you buy anything other than a retail chip in a sealed box you're

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risking a number of things it could have been tampered with maybe ihs swapped

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with another lesser CPU it could be faulty

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or it could be an early engineering sample with entirely different

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performance characteristics i believe that this one falls into that latter

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category let's have a closer look at this thing so you can see it's not

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square like Intel's old cpus it says lga 1700 so it has 1

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700 contact pads on the bottom we can surmise that many of these extra pads

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are for additional connectivity or additional power delivery theoretically

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this is a top spec chip so it's going to have eight performance cores eight

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energy efficient cores and a total of 24 threads since the performance course

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will have smt or hyper threading and the efficient cores will not frankly it

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looks exactly like our retail sample other than the fact that it says Intel

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confidential at the top so where did it come from here's the thing

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for any new release Intel works with platform partners like ASUS and MSI to

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ensure that when the new cpus launch there are accompanying motherboards and

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with partners like crucial or g-skill to ensure that there are shiny new ddr5

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memory kits on the shelf right next to them in order for that to happen these

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partners need early access to processors like before their specs are even

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finalized to test their hardware hundreds thousands of chips can go out

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as part of the sampling process and inevitably some of them end up falling

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off a test bench into a technician's pocket and onto the

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open market once the retail chips launch these engineering samples turn from

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pretty hot to pretty not because no one in their right

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mind would pay full price for a potentially broken CPU when they can

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have a perfect one but that hasn't happened yet has it

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now Anthony and i already did a video outlining the main deeps for the z690

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platform but here's what you guys need to know you can expect 16 lanes of pci

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express gen 5 for your GPU or other high performance add-in cards four lanes of

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pci express gen 4 which is also coming directly off the CPU for a high speed

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NVMe storage device and a dmi 4.0

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connection to the southbridge or iohub or whatever the heck they're calling it

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at this point it's about equivalent to two gen 4x4 links which is double last

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gen for lots of high speed storage and network connectivity for power users and

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workstation users i do hope to see the x

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699 atdt platform that leaked come to

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fruition sooner rather than later but this is a great start and more than

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enough for most gamers the memory slots can be ddr5 or ddr4 with support for

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speeds of up to 4 800 mega transfers per second or 3200

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not at the same time it's one or the other and any higher speeds are going to

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require the integrated memory controller on the CPU to be overclocked

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and that is one of the things that i'm expecting to be kind of crap about my

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engineering sample you see there are different kinds of engineering samples

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es1 is typically going to be pretty early often running at very low

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clock speeds while they dial in the manufacturing process

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qs or qualifying sample is at the other

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end of the spectrum and can have issues but it tends to be

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basically retail silicon with a different stamp on the heat spreader es2

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which is what i have in theory that lies somewhere in between so on

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paper this should be pretty close to full functionality but often with higher

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power consumption lower clock speeds turd level memory compatibility

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especially when you're moving to a new type of memory ddr5

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that kind of thing oh thermal compound i'm gonna need that

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what a gaming beast this thing is supposed to be we don't want any bottlenecks so we're going rtx 3090 very

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last gen technology okay PCIe gen4

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i'm kidding obviously i feel like i need to say that it's very

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fast unfortunately i have an LTT Store desk pad over here and i'm not even

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showing off our best feature that you can get in any size you want and it

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won't have to hang off the thing ltdstore.com we have all different sizes

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don't do this don't be this guy moment of truth andy

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that's a good sign ah where's the remote now the thing about unreleased hardware

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is that you can't exactly just look up error codes

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and see what problems other people have had and how they've solved them this

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motherboard has a button called the retry button

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should we try it man if i just got ripped off i'm gonna be

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pretty not stoked hi

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it's not posting uh truck there on the cmos well i couldn't find the pins

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is there there's a button there's a button on the i o i really hope i didn't

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just get completely i mean i expected to get ripped off a little i was paying a

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hundred dollars over retail for an es CPU you know i do it for you right

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can i have it no no not you i was playing the camera

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if this doesn't work i am mostly out of options here i'm plugged directly into

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the onboard i actually don't know this might be a 12 900 kf in which case it

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won't have any onboard video so everything is fine except for that it

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isn't working this is why dr sue will always be pat

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gelsinger in a fight i wonder if Intel's done something to

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brick compatibility with es chips in retail bioses

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i've never heard of them doing that before but i also haven't played around with es chips for any of the most recent

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platforms so i'm gonna try another PCIe slot

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maybe there's a problem with the gen five slots or something i don't know

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should have bought two that's the solution after going through four more

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motherboards from two different vendors we've figured it out the postcodes seem

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to indicate that the CPU is working but we can't get a display out because

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at some point in the validation process motherboard manufacturers switched over

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qualifying samples or retail chips and Intel issued a management engine update

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that seems to break compatibility with es2 chips

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since they are engineering samples that ultimately are supposed to be returned

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to Intel or discarded Intel is obviously not going to burn engineering resources

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fixing compatibility with them so Linus

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bought a paperweight i guess i'll call Linus and break it to

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him hey hey uh so i got some bad news for

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you um you just bought a 700 paperweight

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oh um okay

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yeah like it powers on but it's like

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some version thing with the BIOS it's like just not gonna work i wish it was

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at least heavier because it's not a very good paperweight

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well i mean you could weigh down one sheet of paper probably maybe

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slightly thank you very much for that okay thanks for thanks for finishing the

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testing yep bye bye

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to be honest while i was hoping to run some performance tests ahead of the

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official release these kinds of compatibility issues are not that

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uncommon with engineering sample chips and we've even seen examples before of

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sellers who list not only their engineering sample for sale but also

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specific boards and BIOS revisions that they have validated to work and

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maybe something like that is going to emerge in the future for these es2 elder

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lake samples but as i outlined before whenever you're buying something like

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this your best case scenario is crap your performance and or weird bugs and

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your worst case scenario is getting absolutely hosed by a shady seller

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no offense no offense to the seller it's just that by definition anyone

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you guys enjoyed this video maybe check out the es chips that we bought for our

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six workstations one CPU project after i accidentally dropped one of the official

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ones that Intel gave me rendering it inoperable those ones we locked out and

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they did work they just offered poorer performance because the clock speed

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wasn't as high