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don't you hate it when you shell out extra money

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to get a worse experience well honestly that's how i've felt about

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these and bright and smart motion dimmers because ge in their infinite

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wisdom ships them out of the box with all of the motion sensors not only

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active but instantly active so you can run into

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situations see that where you go to turn off the light walk away from it and as

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you're moving away the bloody thing turns back on because and this is a

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feature not a bug they have a 180

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degree motion sensing radius thankfully because these are z-wave

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devices we have the solution we should

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by the end of this video be able to reconfigure these smart switches to

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disable the fade on and off functionality that i personally find kind of annoying set up remote control

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including voice control create groupings

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so that multiple zones can be turned on and off at the same time with a single

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command and decouple the motion sensing

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from the light switch functionality so that it could potentially be used for

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other automations and not for the lights in areas where that

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would be pretty annoying like the bedroom you know you roll over to get more

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comfortable light goes on it's not great i've had to

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paper over every bedroom light switch just like i'm papering over this segway

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our story begins today in the server room where these motion sensing light

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switches have actually been amazing there are parts of the house where i'm

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not going to want to disable that functionality like bathrooms hallways and utility spaces

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like this one and the garage but we definitely need to fine-tune the

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behavior a little bit because the way it is now where it only stays on for a

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couple of minutes and then the second it turns off it's active again means that i

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will oftentimes try to turn off the light and in walking away from it have

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the bloody thing turn back on it's a motion sensor you don't have to shut it

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off fortunately Jake has the solution and it is a

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raspberry pi where did it go i have no idea i've been trying to find it where

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did you put it you moved it i didn't move it it was just chilling here he is

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such a liar yeah but it was something it was still like here no you moved it you

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used a different oh i know it's in the

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land center hopefully ah there it is i should know that

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because i put it there now the role of a raspberry pi in this situation is just a

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stand-in to run home assistant which is like the piece of software that's going

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to tell hey light switch do that thing other light switch do that thing air

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conditioner do that yeah light switches work together the intention long term is

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for that to go on your nas as like a docker container or something uh

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sort of it runs as a vm because it runs its own docker containers that's like

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the plugins and hosts it's pretty cool mind blown but for now it's on a

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raspberry pi i can't connect to it though for some reason

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did you unplug anything in there not that i know hey look we're in

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business nice we actually have one device already adopted and it's that one oh that's why

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that one doesn't dim on and off did you change it no that's just because this light fixture doesn't dim oh

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but we can go in here here look at this

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there's like no delay that's actually pretty awesome there's a vacancy mode so

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i guess you can turn on the light when somebody leaves that doesn't make sense

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you would want it on when nobody's there no motion there's

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clearly a lot for us to learn about these i'm glad we bought a hundred of

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them

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let's go vacancy mode okay

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okay let's walk out here we go and then so what

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theoretically in five seconds it'll turn on

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something like that nope okay well definitely more research

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required into what that value does what else we got here

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enable and disable whether motion sensor only turns on if the room is dark

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oh see i was in the bathroom yeah and i was

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thinking Jake remember how i was like hey we should make it so that it's tied

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into a light sensor outside or the time of day and hold on hold on and if i

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press the switch it actually opens up a smart blind instead of turning on the

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light but this is a way simpler way to do that

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yeah so basically you would just have like in the bathrooms probably if it's

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the middle of the day and the blinds are open and it's like searingly bright you

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don't need to turn the light on oh that's great yeah you can oh invert switch so if you in

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case they installed them upside down it's too late no no no no no no no no no no it's for three-way switches

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well there's a three-way right here

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yeah i got the other side of this where's the main is this the main theme

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wait what yes it is well there's there's

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three light switches within one two three four five steps

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for the same lights why don't we adopt this switch

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okay or why don't we do the theater room first because that's the one that's been

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bothering me the most because the lights just turn on in the middle of a movie

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i've had to tape over those ones i'm pretty sure when i start the inclusion

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all you have to do is click the light switch okay which one are you gonna do

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i'm gonna do the overhead one not the sconces okay so i'll set the location to

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theater room oh theater room overhead oh this will be overhead yeah there you go

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seriously i can't believe how fast that is z-wave is great and especially once

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we have like 100 150 devices yeah it will work really well now what we're

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probably gonna have to do is once they're all adopted we're gonna have to go and say heal the network which

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basically tells every single device to find the best routes to other devices

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and with that many devices it might take like a day to do shut up i don't know i

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haven't tried it i know at my house with like five or ten devices it takes like

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10 minutes so oh wow okay it could take a while let's see if it scales linearly

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or exponentially but you only have to do that once with the motion sensitivity

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low could i make my way back to my seat

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no okay then vacancy light turns on manually and off

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automatically without motion oh

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okay hold on if we turn off one of these yeah

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maybe the reset level like figured itself out now

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nope frick that's kind of a problem you only spent

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ten thousand dollars on these light switches okay uh tell me the name of the switch

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Dan let's go rec room okay rec room get wrecked

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okay uh can you hit the rec room switch please whatever one you hit oh crap that

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one uh what did you press stairs yeah so location what's the location for a stair

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basement yeah but there's two stairs to the basement

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i guess there's basement stairs and upstairs oh right there's two stairs

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on the basement basement the switch is also up there oh

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wait but that's what this wait why did we put the motion sensor oh i guess that

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kind of makes sense switch is in the basement well no there's supposed to be a motion on both sides no there isn't

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well it's not a thing why not because it's not a thing what do you mean it's

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not it's not a thing that's not how they keep saying it's not a thing but what do you mean that's not how they work why

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can't you have a motion on both sides i don't know maybe you could no what are

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you talking about because there's two motions on the uh the one on the in the

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hallway over there is there i'm pretty sure i could be wrong

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oh that's a normal one oh okay i wait no

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that's the one for these ones yeah no i'm i'm wrong it's just the one

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here wait yeah this one's the main one i know what

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we can do we move the motion sensing one to the top of the stairs

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and then we use the motion sensor from one of these other spaces where we don't

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want motion control right to control these lights from the bottom of the

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stairs right

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uh yeah theoretically that would be awesome

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okay well sure we can do that but for now for now i need to name this switch

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which is so what is it location rec room stairs

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because these are the stairs into the rec room

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oh god i know these are things that i can

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change anytime i want but come on you guys get this right once you set it

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you're never going to touch it again so there's this pressure to get it right

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if i if it's location rec room that's where it is

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and the name is front stairs i think that's what if you move that switch up

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there well then i'll move it man this

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whole turn back on immediately thing is kind of a problem i've seen online that

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apparently there is firmware updates for these but they release them through like

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public hubs like if you had a samsung like smart things kind of hub

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you can get the updates through that but it doesn't seem like there's a download site so maybe we can contact them oh

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that's so much better the dim though yeah the speed yeah it's much better

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i do wish you could just shut it off but yeah you can enable plain switch

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functionality actually we need to do that let's go do it my son wanted RGB

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lighting in his room which i was like yeah sure no problem let's just grab

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these yeelight v2s that we had kicking around at the office anyway and we'll

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set you up with these cool right app control you can change

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the colors there's there's your sunrise one small problem

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why are you gonna be like that i had a step stool i was ready to go

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where's the other one uh well it's in there oh yeah because i

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wanted to get something working for him temporarily anyway the point is

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he had no work oh does that bulb work in there though

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at all oh yeah it's pretty typical for you to have to

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choose you want smart bulbs or you want smart switches now i wanted the motion

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sensors everywhere because who knows what kind of

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cool things we might want to do with motion down the line but that doesn't

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necessarily mean that i want every single switch to operate as a smart

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switch so if we set it to dumb switch mode

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yeah i think it's gonna work it's off

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no dice how do you know

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time for our classic do as i say not as i do moment wow if it's hooked up

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that's very silly of you theoretically yes

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all of that looks quite hooked up what are you doing

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i am fixing it oh do you know why it's the electrician

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said that there's a couple of light switches that are not working

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and he thinks it's because the apprentice screwed it up i guess i

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should probably hit the breaker for this electricians usually don't

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i am not an electrician ah

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oh my gosh what what hello giver

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full sentence only no i don't want to break it sounds only bud

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oh that sucks i think i need to take the other one out

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too can i steal your that sucks no you cannot steal my cat should i bring arlo

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here i really like my cat you're more than welcome to bring her actually

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uh yeah so this is

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not right don't do that oh

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what the actual bananas

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so it is hooked up right

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i wonder if it just got kind of mangled when they pushed it in and it just like

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broke the copper yeah whoa that was not actually an easy place to

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catch something smart guy maybe it doesn't dim anymore

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well that's what it should be that's what we want right

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yeah the dimmer is not working confirmed

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cool but it still tries to do the it still fades on and off

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uh ge you gotta have a way to disable that

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there's lots of bulbs that don't behave nicely even with

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led and cfl compatible dimmers

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so then hold on other than flickering a little bit when

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it first turns on is that a problem well that might cause it to reset every time

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you oh it flickers quite a bit that's true

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if you turn this on and off i believe it's five times it goes into like a

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reset state so let me let's just see let's just see

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because oh actually no Jake it's not going to do it the yeelight wants two

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seconds in between each change of state for the reset

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so maybe it's fine oh hey oh oh oh oh okay

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is it dimmed right now they turned it up

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oh yes there now we have a regular bulb that

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can tell us what the crap the fixture is doing so it's supposed to be on

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okay here we go

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it's not turning off the switch is clearly not working

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wait it turned off

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okay the switch is working again okay there's something very wrong with this

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light switch what is even

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happening right now i disabled the motion sensor so why don't we see if

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it's disabled uh sure feel free let's give it a try expose light switch

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okay that is so stupid gee i wonder why

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not everyone is super into smart home stuff

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okay manually mode manually mode or sorry manual mode i'm

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looking at the modes occupancy mode turn on motion detected

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turn off manual mode manual from the front panel

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of the in wall smart dimmer remotely with the uv controller huh did

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we manage to disable the motion sensor on any of them we'll go check that other

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one the closet because that one's okay i'll go check okay

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no it's no it's still the motion sensor is still turning it on

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so what happens if they all suck and that this never works

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oh

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okay maybe we should just for

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why don't we try and shut the breaker off and turn it back on maybe it needs a

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hard reset i don't know why but maybe sure okay hold on here's oh we

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can't disable the motion

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okay if we can't disable the motion sensor this is really gonna be a problem

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we should see if we can turn off the

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motion in the one in the mechanical room are you still down there

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yep okay i'm gonna turn off the motion in the mechanical room one sure

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the motion is off

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really yeah curiously although that is a

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different model of switch the firmware on that one is 5.39 and the firmware on

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all of these motion dimmers is 5.32

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so i'm kind of feeling like there was a bug

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and they updated it and i just don't know how we're gonna get the firmware

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for these ones maybe we have to buy a like a samsung smartthings hub

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and just hook them all up to that so they'll update this is

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terrifying there's a home assistant thread here about ge jasco switches

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where people are just like yeah yeah it's really bad there's basically no way

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to update the firmware so if anyone in the audience works for

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ge or jasco please help us yeah you guys actually

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suck not releasing firmware updates because

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especially you especially if you make the firmware

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and then won't give it to people yeah like actually you this this thread

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just makes me so angry it's just people complaining

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about the same kind of basic stuff that we want to do like no i just want it to

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just immediately switch on or immediately switch off stuff that like a

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good software engineer could do in an afternoon also why are we buying inventory with

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ancient firmware on it especially for our product where you can't

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update it okay so garth on live chat says he's gonna see if he can find something for

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us unbelievable it'll be a lot cheaper for them to just

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put up a support page with firmware downloads that would be way cheaper the

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stupidest thing is that home assistant even has an interface

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for pushing where is it you can shoot firmware

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updates to things yeah there

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you just have to select a file and update it

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yeah because these guys say his firmware is 5.54 we're on like 5.32 i know oh no

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there's way newer firmwares should we buy

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where can we get one of those like smart things no no that's a bad solution

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because then if there's a future update what am i going to do i'm going to

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unpair it to the freaking home but you just don't necessarily need it all 100

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of them right then i put them all back on the samsung and reconfigure them no

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no no no no no no no you provide

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firmware updates that's it

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i will fly there Jake will you i will fly i guess it's a video oh yeah it's

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not like they're going to come outside garth is going to help us out i feel it

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garth is typing oh garth please garth

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come through for us garth help us all there is not really a manual mode

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on the switches it should just go ahead and turn the lights on and off

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yes there is garth might be an actual npc

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okay do they have a phone line we'll let garth try to help us in the meantime

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if spanish is what it will take to get a firmware update out of these guys

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we can talk to serge he sort of knows spanish man i can feel my blood pressure

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rising like stuff stuff like this man it just

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makes me so angry here's an idea for the ones we don't want to have

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motion we could paint the motion sensor

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that's the stupidest thing you've ever heard but it doesn't involve

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yeah but the other functionality doesn't update i know no we actually just need

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them to work i know i know since we're on the subject of things that make me

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angry if you've got hold music fine have hold music

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never have a pre-recorded voice come back and say

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hi are you okay to still be holding right now or whatever the it's

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saying because i'm like oh what what no it's

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that again

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just have music so that i know when to come back to it this is the soundtrack

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of my personal hell

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after four of my yes i'm here garth has said he's still here he's just waiting

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for a reply because he has no idea clearly because it's so stupid

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how has nobody ever how is this not just like something they deal with every

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other day yeah that i don't really understand ltgstore.com

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buy a few water bottles so he can pay for this disaster

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it's a lot of water bottles please all right and how can i assist you today

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i have some ge and brighton switches

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and basically they're running a mishmash of different firmwares

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and there's no obvious way to update the firmware

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okay so the firmware on the devices is

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updated through your hub

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there isn't any out way of updating the firmware other than

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with the hub right so i'm using a uh a home assistant

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server to run it so i need the firmware file so that i can upload it to the

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switch okay so unfortunately we don't give out that information it's all done

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through the hub right so that's my hub and that's the

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way that my hub requires it to be done this it's my device like i bought it i

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need the firmware file for it we don't have those available

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okay so then what your hub support your hub support

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would do that okay so hold on so do do

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you guys are this is jasco right

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that is correct okay so you guys make the switch for ge

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that is correct including the firmware that is correct cool okay so that

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firmware i need it again unfortunately no it's not fortune

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you no no i don't want you to use the word unfortunately because it's not

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fortune this is not chance this is

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you guys deciding not to provide a customer for your

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product with a firmware update when the

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functionality of it is fundamentally broken right now i can't even disable

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the motion sensors on these things so what i need is

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to unfortunately you guys send me the firmware files

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so am i able to get the firmware from aotech because they're the ones who make

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the z-wave stick that i'm using

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yes that is who you would get a hold of

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why because they are the ones that the uh

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evidently if you've got an aotec stick

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then they are the ones that would have the support to be able to update or uh

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change your firmware but you guys make the switch

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that is correct and you guys write the firmware that is correct but we do not give it

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out that is a proprietary information that

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is only handed out through the hub well that's the stupidest thing i've

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ever heard in my life thank you very much you're very welcome

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jasco you

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so i emailed aotech it's possible they might be able to save the day garth

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could still come through for us garth's not gonna come through clearly their policy is to withhold

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critical updates from their customers

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no it's not unbelievable where's the okay he said

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try pushing the configuration button with the on and off button at the same

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time where is the configuration what the hell

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is he talking about i mean if this puts it in manual mode this will at least solve the problem for now oh my god that

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is not the solution though well i agree i'm just saying if it works right now

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yeah i found it Jake it's right here yeah that's why i was clicking but it's

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not working they want you to take every wall plate

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off to do this i seriously don't remember the last time

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okay there we go enraged it blinked three times

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holy it worked i know i know it's awful

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you don't need to do it on all of them but for now at least

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i can go around and take the plates off

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every switch in the house that i want running in manual mode i'm not saying

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it's a good thing i'm just trying to help you for now until aotech will come save the day

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faster to put tape over top this video was supposed to be

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hey g and brighton switches by jasco

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cool product we'd love to use it and show how cool it is it turned into you

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can go yourself like honestly i just want to rip every single one of

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them out of the wall regardless as someone who bought this product and

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went and installed it in my home my recourse is someone in some other

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time zone when jasco has the firmware but it's just like we won't get

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it no no no no no no we won't give it to you

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no oh my god

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oh my god what you know what garth just told me i asked him where can we find

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the rest of these config options like holding the switch he found them on youtube

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this is literally their customer service

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this is just a basic product overview

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why were we expecting garth to save the day exactly firmware is updated through

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the hub so you may contact them to see if it's updated oh my god no firmware is

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updated through you having a firmware download page

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to what end jasco to what end

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what what are you trying to accomplish

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they don't want their proprietary z-wave

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firmware stolen you know it's very high-tech by who definitely not an open

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standard my question is if aeo tech is supposed to have the firmware updates

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then shouldn't they just propagate well because i don't think the stick is is

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meant to push firmware updates or you just mean aotech makes a hub so they

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might be able to provide it um the stick is the diy approach right yeah it just

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allows you to integrate z-wave with whatever thing in this instance we're

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integrating with home assistant right they also make a hub so i'm thinking

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maybe if jasco just gives them the firmware to distribute it maybe they

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just have it and they can just give it to us to update with its e-stick well if

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jasco won't send out the firmware to the public then i'm sure whatever agreement

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they have with aotech doesn't allow them to send it out to the public i also said

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as an alternative option they could send us a hub to see but that is i know i

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would rather take them out i'd rather take them out put them in a box and fly

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to jasco's hq and throw them in their face honestly

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i think all we can really do is say to be continued ladies and gentlemen

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at the end of that day i was understandably very frustrated i just

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spent ten thousand dollars on product alone switches that we could not

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reliably put in manual mode adjust the motion cooldown of or disable the fade

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in and fade out on adding insult to injury they outright refused to provide

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any firmware updates that at the time we believed could have solved my problems

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which is an enormous no-no in my books

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i shared the experiences that both myself and others in the smart home

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community had gone through on the WAN Show and to our surprise

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jasco actually reached out pretty much immediately so we pushed for them to

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provide firmware update files not just for us but also to the rest of the

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community after a few emails back and forth we ended up on the phone with some

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of the higher-ups at jasco and the product manager we were speaking with

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insisted that version 5.50

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is the only firmware they've ever released for the motion dimmer which was

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very confusing to me because as you might recall our switches reported

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version 5.32 they eventually figured out that when

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the motion dimmer was submitted for certification to the z-wave alliance

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they had accidentally entered the firmware version in decimal form when

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the form asked for hexadecimal this means the 32 of 5.32 got converted from

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hex to decimal as 50.

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that means my switches were indeed on the latest firmware which meant there

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had to be something else going on or the

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original firmware was just buggy now within a z-wave network when you

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adopt or include a device it's given a unique id number starting from one and

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what we found was that when adopting more of the switches

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certain switches would adopt the same device id as another existing switch

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and in turn z-wave js the application that runs within home assistant to

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manage the network would crash and after a reboot only the originally adopted

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switch would show in the list so in the video we were trying to edit

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the configuration of a switch in my son's bedroom as it turns out that

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switch had the same id as one downstairs

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in the rec room hallway as you might have guessed these

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configuration changes were actually applying to the downstairs switch

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instead even though we hadn't yet adopted it

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into the network we don't know exactly why this was happening but apparently

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weird issues like this were common in the earlier days of z-wave and since

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these switches are based on a several-year-old design i think they

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said six it could explain why they're particularly prone to it after we

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realized this we were able to exclude both of those switches then re-adopt

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them one by one and we were finally able to disable the motion sensors with that

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said we still can't disable the fade in and out or tweak the motion cooldown so

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maybe new firmware is actually needed or

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maybe i'll still need to switch to a different solution

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first we need to talk about the elephant in the room firmware updates

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for a product like this especially in an industry that's changing so rapidly

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being able to update your firmware is a huge deal and no

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go through your hub's proprietary update system that your hub might not even have

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because it's actually a stick and not a hub is not an appropriate answer for a

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product that is designed to be used in an open ecosystem so in my call with

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jasco they said they would provide me with the firmware files and figure out a

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solution for sharing them publicly and i'm happy to report that as of just two

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weeks from sharing my issues jasco has already followed through the files for

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12 of their most popular products are now available on github and on their

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support site with the rest to follow shortly so we did it read it and also thank you

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jasco for taking my admittedly not very level-headed

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criticism and turning it into a w as for what's

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going to happen with my house that's still up in the air if we can't

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fix the above-mentioned remaining issues with the jasco switches i might still

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have to pull them out and go with a different solution innovelli has pitched

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working with us to develop their own motion switch and we've also looked into

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hardwiring motion sensors actually multi-sensors into each area where we

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need motion which would give us a lot of really cool options for automations let

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us know in the comments if you have a preferred solution that you'd like to see any brilliant ideas

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