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processors had the highest core counts among consumer products but in the 10 years since then the situation has changed a lot with AMD launching an industry shaking 16 core Threadripper processor last year and then following it up today with the debut of the 2990 wx a 32 core 64 thread successor now they've created a ton of excitement amongst both consumers and professionals and they have sown a lot of discord with their competition over at Intel who have reacted to the disruption with their own high-end desktop chips based on the same dna as their xeon server lineup and then this weird like 28 core demo thing that they were doing at computex this year and then shortly afterward tried to hide anyway hype train aside though one thing that we know about threadripper 2 before we even start testing it is that this is not a gaming centric CPU i mean even ignoring the 1300 and eighteen hundred dollar price tags when we dig even a little bit further into the specs we find that the wx series so these are the two new high-end ones doesn't turbo up as fast as its ex brethren the direct zen plus replacements for last year's Threadripper one of course with that said we're still going to run some gaming benchmarks anyway so normally we actually breeze by our test benches but this time there are a couple of important notes so AMD has created a really solid upgrade path for their x 399 customers by allowing existing boards like this zenith extreme from ASUS to run the new chips with nothing but a BIOS update with that said ASUS did have some concerns about overclocking and up to 200 250 watt chip on boards that weren't necessarily designed for that so they equipped us with their rog zenith extreme cooling kit you shouldn't need this kind of thing for stock operation or if you have excellent air flow over your socket area already but if you're overclocking we would strongly recommend it all right the first big surprise in our gaming testing was discovering that threadripper 1 is actually faster in some cases in spite of threadripper 2's higher clock speeds even after multiple runs these results persisted which might seem like some kind of a mistake but as it turns out the less sophisticated first generation precision boost so that's AMD's dynamic clock speed optimization engine kept the core clocks higher more often with precision boost 2 more aggressively utilizing its intermediate clocks instead of being either full out or clocked down so we actually ended up losing some raw speed but what we're getting back in return is more consistency another thing that impacted gaming is uma versus numa memory access modes now it's quite a bit more complicated but in layman's terms uma is typically better for multi-threaded workloads thanks to its more consistent memory bandwidth while pneuma can come out ahead sometimes thanks to a small latency advantage in lighter ones it should be noted that only the x series allows you to decide which mode you prefer wx only runs in numa mode this was to retain intergenerational compatibility and i would say that there are probably some creator by day gamer by night folks out there who are going to be pretty pleased with the upgrade path that AMD has provided here i mean the 2990 wx isn't far and away the fastest CPU in every test that we ran blender which leverages Intel's avx 512 extensions is a notable exception and single threaded tests are obviously not its strong suit but this this is one powerful piece of silicon even Intel's marginally more expensive 7980xe is no match when threadripper2wx gets to stretch its legs now on the subject of stretching them let's uh try some overclocking shall we now you can still overclock threadripper 2 manually but in theory anyway AMD's precision boost overdrive allows the user to simply set a higher power budget and then watch while precision boost 2 and xfr so that's extended frequency range too do all the heavy lifting only some of our workloads actually improved in 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or 3d rendering or gas exploration that take advantage of it otherwise honestly speaking you'd be better off spending half as much on a 2950x the 16 core drop in replacement for the older 16 core but now with zen plus or looking at Intel's lineup if avx 512 support or single threaded performance are also important to you but maybe at the end of the day it doesn't matter who it's for maybe this was just about building an amazing piece of technology and then patiently waiting for the use cases to show up because i mean if there's anything that the history of computing has shown us it's that if you breed a faster horse someone somewhere is going to build a more challenging course speaking of building something massdrop has gone from just being a place for you to buy stuff to a place where you buy exclusive amazing collaborative products and the massdrop x hifiman he 350 headphones use new dynamic drivers different from what was used in the at 300 resulting in a more neutral sound signature they feature a comfortable headband the lure ear pads and a detachable cable and they ship within two to three days check them out today at the link in the video description so thanks for watching guys if this video sucked it's hard to be an Intel fanboy today isn't it so you guys know what to do but if it was awesome get subscribed hit that like button or check out the link to where to buy the stuff we featured in the video description also link down there is where merch george has cool shirts like this one and our community forum which you should totally join"}