WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.060 I think you deserve to get banned off Twitter James I honestly thought it was 00:00:04.740 --> 00:00:11.400 a mistake it was so Preposterous stupid what did 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:17.039 you tell Colton again he's Holden set up his Christmas tree in November yes in 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:21.960 November and I said I think it was November 1st I said stop it 00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:26.580 I'll kill you and I get that that getting caught by a 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:30.359 robot or an automated system is gonna happen I said the words I'll kill you 00:00:28.140 --> 00:00:36.480 like yeah it's exciting violence pretty intense threat yeah but like it's very 00:00:33.120 --> 00:00:38.420 clear you know once I say to a human hey 00:00:36.480 --> 00:00:43.500 there's been a mistake this is my friend I'm joking right which you did multiple 00:00:41.340 --> 00:00:46.680 times yes and apparently a human looked at it and they were still like um 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:50.219 no no and then I got banned for an 00:00:48.480 --> 00:00:53.520 undetermined amount of time first it was I thought it was gonna be a 24-hour ban 00:00:51.899 --> 00:00:57.960 then I thought maybe through the weekend then maybe one week 00:00:55.739 --> 00:01:02.160 yeah how long was it it was like seven months in the end geez Louise that's 00:01:00.480 --> 00:01:05.519 messed up yeah and they don't tell you how long it's gonna be so the effect of 00:01:04.019 --> 00:01:09.180 it is basically like uh 00:01:07.020 --> 00:01:13.500 just erase Twitter from your life forget like the the result of it longer because 00:01:11.820 --> 00:01:17.939 I've been reinstated out of the blue random I just like turned on Twitter one 00:01:15.060 --> 00:01:22.259 day I was like oh I'm back yeah and the the effect is that I just barely used 00:01:19.860 --> 00:01:26.220 Twitter because like my life adjusted to not having Twitter I made new habits I'm 00:01:24.720 --> 00:01:29.700 on Reddit now I love Reddit so much better they're like they there's like a 00:01:28.140 --> 00:01:34.500 gaslighting element where they have do you have to convince yourself that Twitter never really existed well I just 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:38.820 couldn't maybe I just made that up in my head well habits formed you know 00:01:37.020 --> 00:01:43.979 so I learned to live without it so where I where did you go to to get your stupid 00:01:41.460 --> 00:01:48.180 thoughts out I don't I just lurk I just lurk now you would lurk on Twitter you'd 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:50.520 come back I was mostly a lurker I I opened Twitter once in a while I just 00:01:49.259 --> 00:01:55.380 look at my mentions right right right the jokes are stupid anyway interesting 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:59.759 well that obviously I'm glad that I have you on talk link today to talk about bad 00:01:57.720 --> 00:02:03.600 boy well I don't know if I would get banned in elon's Twitter or not I guess 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:08.280 exactly that's kind of the question I mean how do we I guess I'll say that you 00:02:06.780 --> 00:02:13.500 know the the way that elon's been handling Twitter has been uh 00:02:10.619 --> 00:02:17.420 very interesting to me inept is a word I would use I don't see that's the thing 00:02:14.819 --> 00:02:23.580 the thing is like it's strong opinions about about him and who 00:02:20.459 --> 00:02:25.319 he is and what his goals are and I just 00:02:23.580 --> 00:02:29.760 really don't know like I know that I think he's a narcissist and that he's 00:02:27.420 --> 00:02:35.879 basically just kind of trying to you know get his at the end of the day but I 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:37.980 don't know whether he also maybe has an 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:43.200 ideological kind of goal for Twitter like does he actually want it to be 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:46.620 the like free speech platform because the more that he the more the things 00:02:44.640 --> 00:02:50.340 have gone on the more that like moderation he's kind of like added back 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:55.019 in I think there's a difference between what he would love it to be in his ideal 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:58.560 if this was just for elon's world yeah and what 00:02:56.580 --> 00:03:02.879 everyone else wants right I think it's pretty I think he would have it more 00:03:00.180 --> 00:03:08.220 pure Free Speech anything goes platform if he could have his way but I think 00:03:04.739 --> 00:03:10.800 he's been shown that a audiences want 00:03:08.220 --> 00:03:16.379 moderation B platforms with moderation make more money um 00:03:13.379 --> 00:03:18.900 and that's basically it those things I 00:03:16.379 --> 00:03:24.540 mean if you can say anything about his handling of the situation uh a you can 00:03:22.860 --> 00:03:29.760 say we're doing A's and B's list today okay one you can say that it's 00:03:26.340 --> 00:03:31.560 definitely uh chaotic uh and it's like 00:03:29.760 --> 00:03:34.140 it seems it kind of gives off the impression that he doesn't really know 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:39.060 what he's doing and he's just kind of like playing it by ear but two 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:43.260 the on the other hand okay this isn't a one-two situation this is a either or on 00:03:41.459 --> 00:03:52.519 the one hand it's chaos Julian it's one or zero sure bite you did one binary 00:03:46.260 --> 00:03:52.519 yeah Quantum now say zero zero zero 00:03:53.519 --> 00:04:00.900 um Elon uh doing all this chaotic stuff and like staying in the news cycle this 00:03:59.040 --> 00:04:04.799 basically this whole year I mean like when did all this start I think in April 00:04:02.760 --> 00:04:09.000 he like put in the offer or something yeah but he hasn't looked good like the 00:04:07.860 --> 00:04:13.319 whole thing was when he was trying to back out actually we need to step back 00:04:11.220 --> 00:04:18.600 from this because he has fans right okay he has Die Hard fans to whom he looks 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:21.000 good at all times because they kind of give him the benefit of the doubt you 00:04:19.739 --> 00:04:25.979 saw this with Trump as well people going well he's playing 7D chess we just can't 00:04:24.060 --> 00:04:30.419 comprehend his moves right with our small brains yeah and I should also I 00:04:27.960 --> 00:04:34.380 feel like this is necessary as well uh you almost have to do like a like a 00:04:32.460 --> 00:04:39.780 disclaimer like a transparency statement of your thoughts on Elon I will say I 00:04:37.139 --> 00:04:44.699 used to be a real Elon fan I read his biography huge fan of SpaceX neural link 00:04:42.660 --> 00:04:49.880 boring company I was privy to all of his uh everything he was doing he's saving 00:04:46.500 --> 00:04:52.500 the world let's go to Mars big believer 00:04:49.880 --> 00:04:56.759 self-driving cars big believer and I I still do think that he's a net positive 00:04:54.900 --> 00:05:02.100 force in the world I'm glad he you do exist man we had a big uh debate about 00:04:59.699 --> 00:05:05.940 that upstairs well just for the climate change aspect of it and accelerating the 00:05:04.020 --> 00:05:09.900 adoption of electric electric cars so but that said ever since like the pedal 00:05:08.400 --> 00:05:13.620 boy stuff and probably more now than ever he's really fallen from grace and 00:05:11.460 --> 00:05:17.460 he's no longer like my personal hero um so just for the Fanboys you're a 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:21.060 reformed Elon boy so I just want people to know that when I hate on Elon I'm not 00:05:19.080 --> 00:05:25.320 like a pure hater like right you know I've been along for the ride you have 00:05:22.979 --> 00:05:31.800 you have some cred to be able to say I think so hey guys maybe Elon isn't Jesus 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:33.600 Christ yeah I think I I don't agree with 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:36.900 um detractors who say that he's just a rich guy who just like amplifies other 00:05:35.100 --> 00:05:41.160 people's inventions I think he is very smart I think he's taking big bets he's 00:05:38.820 --> 00:05:45.479 an audacious character I think he deserves a lot of the praise he gets but 00:05:43.500 --> 00:05:50.699 I also think he's a douchebag for sure I mean I've seen some comparisons recently 00:05:47.100 --> 00:05:53.880 to Steve Jobs uh in the sense that Steve 00:05:50.699 --> 00:05:55.440 Jobs was kind of known as an uh 00:05:53.880 --> 00:06:01.020 but he was able to get things done the question is whether 00:05:58.500 --> 00:06:05.840 Steve Jobs like because it seems like Steve Jobs wasn't an Internet edgelord 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:10.139 troll so that's like a whole nother yes he's just icky and it sucks yeah it 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:15.660 sucks that he couldn't just be less icky anyways back on topic right so um April 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:21.300 is I was right April is when uh he initially oh no he that's when he bought 00:06:18.180 --> 00:06:23.280 9.2 of Twitter yeah without like telling 00:06:21.300 --> 00:06:25.919 anyone he did so then I mean that's a douchebag move like that would have 00:06:24.539 --> 00:06:29.039 jacked up the stock price but he wanted to buy it at a lower price we screwed 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:32.340 over other shareholders or would-be shareholders yeah that's that's a 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:37.800 douchebag move and that's Lex Luthor move right not a Superman that's a whole 00:06:35.400 --> 00:06:42.600 other angle to this never mind the whole like oh is he going to transform Twitter 00:06:40.740 --> 00:06:47.819 into a thing a different thing or not like the there's a behind the scenes 00:06:45.060 --> 00:06:51.180 type of story where he might just be doing all this to manipulate stock 00:06:49.620 --> 00:06:55.800 options so he could make money that way he does do a lot of behind the scenes 00:06:52.620 --> 00:06:57.960 things so for example when he looks to 00:06:55.800 --> 00:07:05.039 me he looks really bad when he he's coming in firing people and um 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:06.720 the the biggest biggest blemish on the 00:07:05.039 --> 00:07:11.759 whole thing is the blue check mark thing for people impersonating George Bush and 00:07:09.419 --> 00:07:16.380 saying like 911 was uh pretty cool you know like yeah people are just making 00:07:13.440 --> 00:07:19.979 mockery the whole verification system at this point it's unclear whether there's 00:07:17.940 --> 00:07:22.319 a point to the blue check mark at all what does blue check mark signify it 00:07:21.419 --> 00:07:26.759 just means you're a paying customer that's the whole thing who cares yeah so 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:31.199 that looks like a debacle that looks like an absolute dumpster fire however 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:37.259 my personal feeling is that he'd roll that out in such a quick bad way because 00:07:35.039 --> 00:07:40.500 it just meant getting money he just got a bunch of eight dollars he's got a 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:45.300 bunch of eight dollars right away yeah right what was if he spent the time 00:07:43.380 --> 00:07:49.380 to like actually develop and roll out a proper functioning feature with kyc or 00:07:47.400 --> 00:07:52.979 whatever it would have taken time and he wants to move in he wants to shake it up 00:07:51.419 --> 00:07:57.479 right away he wants to change the culture very aggressively with hardcore 00:07:55.139 --> 00:08:01.560 people who work long hours changing culture is very hard so you 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:05.039 know he's getting a lot of flack for how he's approaching that but 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:07.979 it was never going to be clean okay that's enough of that I want to talk 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:15.300 about the Twitter blue check mark because uh that was hilarious because so 00:08:12.960 --> 00:08:20.699 like as a verified person I got I somehow got verified on Twitter before 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:25.620 yeah I know there was like they opened up verification a while back and a bunch 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:30.360 of people applied like me yeah and I did and uh I I got verified so like as a 00:08:29.039 --> 00:08:35.459 verified person it's been interesting for me to watch this because Here Comes 00:08:32.580 --> 00:08:39.719 Elon being basically like so that thing that you have 00:08:36.839 --> 00:08:45.720 I'm basically gonna make it worthless because if everyone can buy a check mark 00:08:42.959 --> 00:08:50.160 then what do the non-bot check marks mean they don't really mean anything 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:53.700 so we so here's here's what happened okay so he came in he's like Twitter 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:57.959 blue we're launching it with the check mark that happened a bunch of people 00:08:55.560 --> 00:09:01.320 impersonated existed before Elon though sorry Twitter blue did exist but you 00:09:00.300 --> 00:09:05.760 didn't get to check mark and it wasn't expensive enough it was like two bucks a month or something nobody wanted that 00:09:03.839 --> 00:09:09.899 crap right you see it you want to give you the other part of the stat of this 00:09:08.100 --> 00:09:12.000 uh checkmark thing is the status things need to be sufficiently expensive so 00:09:11.220 --> 00:09:17.459 that you think you're getting enough status from them yes and the check mark needs to be sufficiently rare that it's 00:09:15.779 --> 00:09:20.700 a status symbol as well so what does the check mark mean does it mean I'm a 00:09:18.959 --> 00:09:26.459 verified person like when you're talking to Dunkin Donuts it's the real Dunkin 00:09:23.700 --> 00:09:29.760 Donuts and not like a parody it's the real Riley yeah or does it mean if you 00:09:28.800 --> 00:09:33.839 want to talk to the people so there's that aspect like you're trying to talk to the real person and there's the other 00:09:32.339 --> 00:09:40.860 aspect of like whoa you're famous enough to have a check mark You're the real 00:09:35.820 --> 00:09:42.420 right exactly and I mean if I if I if 00:09:40.860 --> 00:09:47.220 I'm being honest there's like a little bit of sadness that comes with a check mark because you're like man I kind of 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:52.560 feel like I sold out like I could be like I could have more uh you know Cloud 00:09:49.980 --> 00:09:59.220 uh not boots on the ground not cloud like cred street cred that's Cloud now 00:09:56.160 --> 00:10:02.160 Twitter timeline cred that's called 00:09:59.220 --> 00:10:06.839 yeah but I would call it cred okay uh if I didn't have the check mark but uh 00:10:04.019 --> 00:10:11.040 anyways so he launched the check mark as part of Twitter blue a bunch of 00:10:08.339 --> 00:10:14.640 impersonation happened uh uh not everybody who did it impersonated people 00:10:12.540 --> 00:10:19.019 obviously but obvious enough chaos happened that they took it away again 00:10:16.140 --> 00:10:22.800 they just took they just stopped signups okay 00:10:20.940 --> 00:10:26.760 anyway before they stop sign ups they added the official check mark so they 00:10:24.779 --> 00:10:31.980 added a second check this one was great this was a gray official check mark uh 00:10:29.820 --> 00:10:35.279 that goes under the brands under the names of Sir this is the development of 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:38.640 like a cast system now yeah right where it's like okay you can pay for the blue 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:41.880 check mark which no one else will care if you have one because you just bought 00:10:39.839 --> 00:10:45.120 it for eight dollars or you can have the real the new real check mark which is 00:10:43.620 --> 00:10:49.260 the gray one which you have to be a public figure or a known brand for or 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:53.100 whatever right check mark the gray official check mark under the the blue 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:56.640 check mark which is white right now because of uh you know dark mode but 00:10:55.560 --> 00:11:00.899 anyways it really it begs the question why did does Twitter blue come with a 00:10:59.339 --> 00:11:05.279 blue check mark is it because you they think oh I get a 00:11:03.300 --> 00:11:08.220 check mark if I buy it sweet I don't really care about these other parts of 00:11:06.779 --> 00:11:13.200 the Twitter blue Suite what I care about is having a check mark so I will pay for that but 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:16.079 that like once everyone's paying for that the check mark is meaningless 00:11:14.459 --> 00:11:19.860 exactly why do they even include it so that's why they felt the need to add the 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:25.260 second gray official check mark and at first everyone got everyone with a 00:11:21.899 --> 00:11:27.540 original Legacy Legacy check mark got 00:11:25.260 --> 00:11:30.899 the second gray official check mark and then they were like wait we can't do 00:11:28.680 --> 00:11:35.160 that because then all the people who are paying for Twitter blue will just want 00:11:32.040 --> 00:11:37.380 that so then they took it all away that 00:11:35.160 --> 00:11:40.500 they canceled sign ups or they suspended Twitter blue signups and they took away 00:11:38.820 --> 00:11:44.399 the official check mark and they said we won't be doing the official check mark 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:50.459 and then a few days later they brought it back so now 00:11:46.680 --> 00:11:53.820 some brands have two check marks okay 00:11:50.459 --> 00:11:58.260 some like Brands like PC Gamer and like 00:11:53.820 --> 00:12:00.240 companies uh have the original Legacy 00:11:58.260 --> 00:12:05.220 check mark and the official check mark I don't you don't have one though I have the 00:12:03.180 --> 00:12:10.800 Legacy check mark still okay but I don't have the official so like 00:12:08.220 --> 00:12:15.360 it's funny because in an attempt to sort of weird so there's like three check 00:12:12.300 --> 00:12:17.220 marks that's weird yeah so like to go 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:20.640 back to the point of a checklist and you're the loser in the situation because people just assume you pay eight 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:24.360 dollars exactly you don't even know you're famous exactly I hope that I hope 00:12:22.800 --> 00:12:30.180 that people aren't seeing me reply I'm super famous you guys 00:12:26.339 --> 00:12:32.040 he's really famous no but the I I'm 00:12:30.180 --> 00:12:35.220 worried that people are gonna see me and think that I paid for Twitter blue not 00:12:34.140 --> 00:12:39.600 that that's a big deal the most frustrating thing is that when you do pay like what is the meaning of the 00:12:38.220 --> 00:12:45.660 Twitter blue check mark you paid your eight dollars does it mean they scanned 00:12:42.420 --> 00:12:47.220 my ID card I'm a real human right I 00:12:45.660 --> 00:12:51.060 think it will in the future that was the purpose but now it doesn't because well 00:12:49.560 --> 00:12:54.899 as we saw with the George Bush accounts and everything exactly do whatever you 00:12:52.980 --> 00:12:58.740 want so initially when he said okay disaster people are gonna pay eight 00:12:57.300 --> 00:13:03.420 dollars for Twitter blue and it'll help defeat Bots initially I was kind of like 00:13:01.380 --> 00:13:09.480 I can see that because the whole power of bots is in like swarming right uh so 00:13:07.139 --> 00:13:13.380 if you want like a million accounts to go and like inflate follower accounts or 00:13:11.760 --> 00:13:18.120 or like numbers which Elon benefits from he always has right he's always had a 00:13:15.180 --> 00:13:22.160 big bot Army sure and so there's some some uh what do you call that 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:29.940 um but I was always like okay they're not gonna 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:35.639 pay eight dollars per month for each one of these little Bots that they need as part of the swarm no I can't do that but 00:13:32.839 --> 00:13:38.940 what you can do with a nation of statement is impersonate people actually 00:13:37.079 --> 00:13:44.160 a nation state might do that sure sure and and as people pointed out 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:50.399 uh if there's enough power like you're not paying eight dollars per bot like 00:13:47.220 --> 00:13:54.300 all the time you're paying eight dollars 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:56.279 a month per bot so you might absorb the 00:13:54.300 --> 00:14:02.220 cost of like paying eight dollars a month for like hundreds of accounts 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:05.940 um in order to have those accounts follow multiple people and like multiple 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:09.240 Point uh posts like it's not like they're single use like you have this 00:14:07.800 --> 00:14:14.760 bot Army now you need to do anything but you need to be like an agency to get enough clients to pay for your Bot Army 00:14:12.180 --> 00:14:19.139 sure sure I just mean that uh the idea that only humans would pay uh eight 00:14:18.060 --> 00:14:24.000 dollars a month for their personal account or whatever is is not really 00:14:21.800 --> 00:14:26.700 no you need anybody could do that you need other forms of cable right so it's 00:14:25.560 --> 00:14:31.620 not enough for verification by the way kyc means know your customers what they use in banking and even in the crypto 00:14:29.700 --> 00:14:35.880 world there's tons of apps where you can you know scan your Biometrics and your 00:14:34.260 --> 00:14:43.019 ID and stuff like that how well it works I don't know but I'm sure Elon could figure it out or am I I don't know oh my 00:14:40.260 --> 00:14:48.540 gosh so like to me the this whole check mark uh drama was was actually really 00:14:45.959 --> 00:14:52.740 important it like it a lot of people used it to like make fun of uh of Elon 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:57.180 and Twitter and stuff and Tumblr launched the ability to like pay eight 00:14:54.779 --> 00:14:59.880 dollars per likes to add multiple check marks so you could pay eight dollars for 00:14:58.500 --> 00:15:07.260 one then another eight dollars for another one and then you could go up to 24 check marks yeah yeah 00:15:04.860 --> 00:15:10.620 um so like it was funny but at the same time it's actually really important 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:15.839 because check marks came about because of the the risk of impersonation 00:15:12.300 --> 00:15:18.600 Facebook Instagram uh I think tick tock 00:15:15.839 --> 00:15:23.420 not sure has check marks to like the point is to say this is the real account 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:25.740 and on Twitter Elon is coming in here 00:15:23.420 --> 00:15:30.060 and I see what he's trying to do he's trying to like verify real humans but 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:32.699 not trying very hard he's not trying very hard and what he actually might do 00:15:31.740 --> 00:15:37.860 is erase the power of the check mark like a 00:15:35.220 --> 00:15:42.180 race its ability to actually denote someone important or just to someone who 00:15:40.260 --> 00:15:45.779 may be in person well we're hoping that I'm hoping that it like there's just 00:15:44.040 --> 00:15:52.019 more verification in the future what they have done is banned impersonation 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:54.420 so that people have read this as okay 00:15:52.019 --> 00:15:58.199 rules for thee but not for me like free speech unless you're making fun of Elon 00:15:56.339 --> 00:16:01.440 Musk like Kathy Griffin and now she's banned um but the thing with the 00:15:59.699 --> 00:16:05.279 impersonate it doesn't solve the bot problem because these Bots are not 00:16:03.180 --> 00:16:09.660 impersonating real people they're not impersonating real identities they're 00:16:07.740 --> 00:16:13.260 generated identities they're fake names they're made up so the impersonation 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:19.440 band does nothing to solve the ball the bot problem yeah 00:16:14.760 --> 00:16:22.199 I guess I wish that uh Elon came in and 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:25.920 just went straight for the like moderation stuff 00:16:23.760 --> 00:16:29.220 because that is another like that that to me is like the most interesting 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:34.199 aspect of what he wants to do with Twitter he wants to take it from being 00:16:31.260 --> 00:16:37.560 this like very heavily moderated uh you know you say something that might offend 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:42.540 people then you get banned you get you say something that is obviously a joke 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:46.259 but could be like interpreted by a robot as like a death threat or something and 00:16:44.699 --> 00:16:50.639 well it's unclear if elon's Twitter changes that right like because he still 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:56.040 he has some rules and I think inciting violence or actual harassment is still 00:16:53.579 --> 00:16:59.759 against the rules so I'm I might still get banned for that and maybe the people 00:16:57.959 --> 00:17:04.260 who work for Elon if a human looks at my case and they're one of elon's humans I 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:08.699 would they would reinstate me I don't know well I mean if anything Twitter 00:17:06.900 --> 00:17:12.480 just has less resources to be able to like put spiritual humans towards those 00:17:10.679 --> 00:17:16.919 kind of things because he got he gutted the words that's the thing maybe his intention was to be like you know what 00:17:14.939 --> 00:17:22.319 Twitter should be a utility it should be like a public service and so let's just 00:17:20.459 --> 00:17:25.559 make it accessible to all and it's the Town Square yeah you know but then he 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:31.679 was like damn it I don't have enough money to afford this town square so now I need to do things to monetize This 00:17:29.100 --> 00:17:35.100 Town Square yeah and that's where now he has to not really make the thing 00:17:33.600 --> 00:17:39.000 that he wants to make and I think that's that's if if there's a biggest criticism 00:17:37.080 --> 00:17:43.500 of Elon and his handling of Twitter after he actually acquired Twitter I 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:48.299 would say that it's like going after the monetization first instead of like 00:17:46.679 --> 00:17:52.500 making the changes that you want to make in terms of moderation and then being 00:17:50.520 --> 00:17:56.940 like all right because he tried to he's basically like this is what every 00:17:54.240 --> 00:18:00.900 startup has to do they have to make a business model prove that they have 00:17:59.280 --> 00:18:04.620 something that kind of works smoothly and then 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:07.740 you know up till that point investors have signed 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:12.780 on and then they have to prove to those investors after a while that they can monetize it and then they bring in the 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:15.480 money uh but what he tried to do with Twitter is like okay you guys have been 00:18:14.280 --> 00:18:21.000 on that cycle for a long time and Twitter has never really been profitable uh consistently and so he's like we need 00:18:19.320 --> 00:18:24.660 the monetization now but that left led us into this stupid 00:18:23.280 --> 00:18:28.140 situation where we're launching technology we're launching them and the 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:31.860 advertisers are leaving and advertising exactly advertisers like moderation 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:35.580 because they don't want their their ad to be beside a tweet with the n-word in 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:39.480 it or something exactly he came in trying to like do the monetization right 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:44.280 away yeah and instead he actually lost a ton he's also just a poor Steward of the 00:18:42.299 --> 00:18:48.419 platform for two reasons like when you look at Bezos with the Washington Post 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:52.679 that has been a success because he's been hands off the Washington Post I 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:57.120 need to let them continue to do their thing and he just kind of saved it 00:18:55.200 --> 00:19:01.500 monetarily and Elon could have done that but he he's such a he's a power user 00:18:59.220 --> 00:19:04.860 he's the biggest of him and Trump I guess 80 million subs or followers he's 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:09.600 the biggest user of Twitter so he's already kind of like two two in the 00:19:07.620 --> 00:19:14.160 water with Twitter to really be a good Steward of the second aspect of it which 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:16.980 is even worse is his reliance 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:21.539 on China for his personal income oh Tesla relies heavily on China 00:19:19.500 --> 00:19:26.039 they have they have gigafactories in China right China doesn't not give a 00:19:24.059 --> 00:19:31.620 that Tesla is a separate company than Twitter that's not how China rolls 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:33.960 China leverages all leverages that are 00:19:31.620 --> 00:19:37.440 possible and so if if China goes hey we didn't we don't like 00:19:35.520 --> 00:19:41.520 the messages you're amplifying on Twitter we don't like all the Taiwan 00:19:39.059 --> 00:19:47.880 trending hashtags on Twitter uh so Tesla's gonna get hurt unless you change 00:19:44.760 --> 00:19:51.480 your town square uh to be China friendly 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:54.660 Tesla's gonna get hurt he is so beholden 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:57.960 to the the CCP that how that Twitter 00:19:54.660 --> 00:20:00.539 just cannot be uh a western town square 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:05.039 Free Speech Mecca really this is no way how confident are you in the fact that 00:20:02.820 --> 00:20:08.940 if China is upset with something that elon's doing he's going to have that 00:20:06.840 --> 00:20:11.460 trickle down into the way that he runs Twitter well it's a source of all his 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:14.880 wealth do you think he wants to be poor he seems to enjoy being rich would he 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:20.220 change ask your ask the former part of you that 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:25.200 was an Elon Fanboy would he uh compromise Twitter uh and like because 00:20:23.340 --> 00:20:30.660 his whole thing is like free speech blah blah and so is he going to completely 00:20:27.600 --> 00:20:32.160 throw that aside uh if or would he just 00:20:30.660 --> 00:20:37.200 jettison Twitter would he just try to like get rid of it well he might let's 00:20:34.679 --> 00:20:42.480 say that he is just like a uh he's a human computer he might uh prioritize 00:20:40.260 --> 00:20:47.039 his like hierarchy of need or of like values right he might go okay I one of 00:20:45.419 --> 00:20:52.080 my values is Free Speech in this town square Twitter platform one of my values 00:20:49.080 --> 00:20:53.520 is reducing climate change and 00:20:52.080 --> 00:20:57.900 accelerating the adoption of electric cars which one do I care more about 00:20:56.039 --> 00:21:01.740 if I care more about reducing climate change because that's an existential 00:20:59.220 --> 00:21:06.000 risk to humanity things that Elon cares a lot about yeah then he might 00:21:03.299 --> 00:21:07.380 prioritize saving Tesla above saving Twitter 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:14.520 um although there are other companies other than electric cars I feel like he would 00:21:12.120 --> 00:21:18.539 if he had to if he had to save one he would obviously save Tesla 00:21:16.919 --> 00:21:21.660 not Twitter because here's the the reality of the situation now is that 00:21:20.280 --> 00:21:25.020 that's what get where he gets his money like yeah for sure the view I just 00:21:23.580 --> 00:21:30.000 outlined is the charitable of you but like really the more narcissistic and like 00:21:28.320 --> 00:21:32.940 self-preservation view is that he just like saves the thing that makes him the 00:21:31.500 --> 00:21:36.539 most money yeah and he'll probably justify that mentally by going well if 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:40.740 I'm rich I can do great things with my money right right the world is better off if I'm rich because I do great 00:21:39.600 --> 00:21:47.100 things with my money I can spend my money better than a government can even beside the whole point of like okay 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:50.760 Financial uh survivorship 00:21:47.100 --> 00:21:52.080 Financial viability for Elon Musk uh the 00:21:50.760 --> 00:21:55.559 fact of the matter is that a lot of people are looking to other social media 00:21:53.820 --> 00:22:01.380 platforms right now because of all the instability that's happening at Twitter 00:21:57.419 --> 00:22:03.000 so I mean I know that I I have not made 00:22:01.380 --> 00:22:07.500 accounts on anything else yet because I'm like Twitter is probably gonna 00:22:04.679 --> 00:22:10.320 survive in some way I mean how do you feel about that do you think that like 00:22:08.700 --> 00:22:15.240 there's a world in which Twitter just like stops it's possible but Network 00:22:12.539 --> 00:22:19.320 effects are very strong um and even if Twitter kind of sucks it 00:22:17.700 --> 00:22:26.580 probably has excess momentum right whereby it it remains in place unless 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:28.679 like yes there is a cornucopia of other 00:22:26.580 --> 00:22:32.580 of other things to hop on but that's actually a weakness we need one other 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:37.440 thing that's clearly awesome and emerging that we all hop onto so it gets 00:22:35.220 --> 00:22:42.059 Network effects it gets inertia and can usurp the social landscape yeah and I've 00:22:40.020 --> 00:22:47.039 seen a couple Alternatives kind of like come up in the uh in the conversation 00:22:44.520 --> 00:22:50.159 and like there was a time when master Don was kind of the front runner and 00:22:48.780 --> 00:22:55.740 then people were talking about co-host this week so far as there's been a lot 00:22:52.500 --> 00:22:57.860 of talk about Hive social which is 00:22:55.740 --> 00:23:02.039 um kind of like a mix between Instagram and Twitter 00:22:59.940 --> 00:23:06.539 but as far as I can tell it it doesn't have a web interface right now it's just 00:23:04.020 --> 00:23:11.220 an app it's probably just an iOS app too so it's like that's how it goes each one 00:23:09.120 --> 00:23:15.600 of these things has has like a specific problem like Mastodon you have to it's 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:20.539 it's sort of like it's like Reddit but instead of having like each it would be 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:26.700 like if each subreddit was run entirely on and this and the server was run by 00:23:24.299 --> 00:23:31.080 the mods as if it's like it's not just part of the Reddit site that you can 00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:37.080 kind of control it's like you can you can like suspend people's whole Mastodon 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:41.820 accounts within the server and then they can't go and join another server unless 00:23:39.299 --> 00:23:46.380 the mod that suspended them from that from the previous server unsuspense them 00:23:44.159 --> 00:23:50.340 so it's like there's there's a lot of control there and I've I've heard people 00:23:48.659 --> 00:23:54.000 uh complaining about Mastodon because it's like it has kind of a higher 00:23:52.380 --> 00:23:58.559 technical barrier of Entry you kind of have to like set things up and it's not 00:23:55.860 --> 00:24:02.520 just like log in and boom you're there um and co-host I think I I don't know 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:06.900 enough about these other ones but um okay so you you don't you don't view 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:10.440 any of the Alternatives as viable really not yet but we'll see what happens we'll 00:24:09.600 --> 00:24:15.179 see what happens I think people will probably stick with Twitter I agree um 00:24:13.140 --> 00:24:20.039 one of the questions maybe the last question uh 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:24.480 what do we want from social media like what do you what do you go to social 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:30.960 media for and what do you think people should be going there for information 00:24:26.659 --> 00:24:33.600 humor I mean you want the the thing the 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:40.860 public health of it is really the that is the crisis uh nobody wants to see 00:24:37.260 --> 00:24:42.299 platforms amplifying fake news we don't 00:24:40.860 --> 00:24:48.240 want to see platforms being manipulated by other nation states influencing 00:24:45.419 --> 00:24:51.600 elections or public sentiment you know the tick tock problem the Facebook 00:24:49.620 --> 00:24:57.120 problem 2016. um we don't want to log on and see 00:24:54.240 --> 00:25:00.720 like Gore from a car accident or Isis beheadings like you want that kind of 00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:04.740 moderation right um mostly just want to look at cat 00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:08.340 photos you know and on social media and that's Instagram 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:13.620 well I don't I don't I don't use Instagram you want to see like 00:25:10.760 --> 00:25:18.299 statements from politicians and noteworthy people hilarious jokes yeah I 00:25:16.679 --> 00:25:23.220 guess a lot of people do want like they go on Instagram just to see like photos 00:25:21.059 --> 00:25:27.059 and videos and stuff I feel like for me for me Twitter the reason why I love it 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:31.440 is not only just the fact that it's just text but that it's like so low effort 00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:35.880 like on Instagram and and Tick Tock and I mean I'm not even going to talk about 00:25:33.059 --> 00:25:39.419 Facebook but it seems to be that you have to like really think about a post 00:25:37.380 --> 00:25:43.440 and like spend time and like edit the photo and edit the video and blah blah 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:47.520 and on Twitter it's just like it's just immediate there's a limit 00:25:45.659 --> 00:25:50.520 there's a character limit so you have to kind of like edit yourself a little bit 00:25:48.779 --> 00:25:55.380 but it's like that's a good constraint you want constraints that uh are 00:25:53.580 --> 00:25:59.400 conducive towards making the content better and less effort putting towards 00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:04.440 on social media yeah the problem with Twitter though is nobody's listening to you you know what do you mean for most 00:26:02.340 --> 00:26:07.860 people they have like zero to ten followers and they're just feeding into 00:26:06.059 --> 00:26:10.260 the void and right people don't even I have really talented friends I'm like 00:26:09.120 --> 00:26:15.360 man this is hilarious you should put this on Twitter you should have a Twitter and they're like why so no one 00:26:13.380 --> 00:26:18.480 can see my stuff right right like how do you get off the ground on Twitter it's 00:26:16.620 --> 00:26:22.919 like that's a really unappealing that's a really important point to bring up uh 00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:28.740 because we are like you know web personalities and we tweet and people 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:33.059 engage with us because they're like you're the tech link guy you're the LTT 00:26:30.539 --> 00:26:36.779 guy uh but most people yeah don't have that imagine you're just a guy oh my 00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:41.100 gosh I mean no like that's what's happening with the checkbook before before I got into YouTube I did use 00:26:39.600 --> 00:26:44.700 Instagram because that's where my friends were and so like you know I 00:26:42.659 --> 00:26:48.779 didn't post very often but like I still felt the need to post there and post on 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:51.960 Facebook and stuff because yes so like I will say that all right I'll take it 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:55.740 back a second because the reason I love Twitter is 00:26:53.640 --> 00:27:01.500 like most of the reasons that I love Twitter for are because I'm who I am 00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:05.760 right now uh but if I was using it more in like a interact with my immediate 00:27:04.020 --> 00:27:10.440 friends and family and Social Circles then I would want something more like 00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:15.900 Facebook the early days of Facebook yeah the early days where you know you're not 00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:18.720 looking for likes per se you go on a trip and you take a bunch of photos and 00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:24.539 then you come home and the first thing you do is upload the full album to Facebook and just post like 40 photos 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:29.460 and then people go through and they're like oh this one's cool whoa you did 00:27:26.159 --> 00:27:31.440 that awesome that was great 00:27:29.460 --> 00:27:35.220 and I feel like that's the dream that some of these alternative platforms are 00:27:33.120 --> 00:27:39.419 trying to get to like we're talking mostly right now about the 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:42.659 Twitter Replacements which are just like what we were talking about where it's 00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:47.100 just like you know breaking news and like stupid little thoughts that you 00:27:44.940 --> 00:27:51.539 have in the toilet and stuff but if there was like a way to I mean maybe 00:27:49.020 --> 00:27:54.720 Hive social is this where it's like back to a simpler time of social media where 00:27:53.460 --> 00:27:59.100 you're just like I just wanna I just wanna post something and have it my friends see it and like talk about it 00:27:57.659 --> 00:28:02.340 okay the last thing that I just wanted to mention we talked a bit about like 00:28:00.659 --> 00:28:06.179 will Twitter survived and the the Alternatives and stuff but I also want 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:10.919 to bring up the fact that it might not be up to anything that Elon does or 00:28:08.100 --> 00:28:14.039 anyone else uh at Twitter does uh it might not be up to them whether 00:28:12.659 --> 00:28:18.480 Twitter survives or not it might be up to Apple and Google oh yes because Phil 00:28:16.919 --> 00:28:21.960 Schiller I mean I don't know if this is like a big red flag or whatever a big 00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:27.840 like thing to indicate something but Phil Schiller left Twitter and that's 00:28:26.100 --> 00:28:32.940 got people talking about Apple and whether Apple was like hmm uh maybe we 00:28:30.900 --> 00:28:36.720 don't like the way that uh Elon Musk is taking Twitter in terms of moderation 00:28:34.140 --> 00:28:41.340 trailer left Twitter because he gets a keynote stage to say whatever he wants 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:45.419 on every six months he can still voice his opinion to the World on his own oh 00:28:43.080 --> 00:28:49.679 stage I don't think that this is a signal that Apple's gonna ban Twitter 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:53.820 from the App Store I think especially now more than ever the more monetized 00:28:52.020 --> 00:28:57.720 Twitter gets the more money Apple makes all those transactions that are 00:28:55.440 --> 00:29:01.500 happening on the app are gonna you know a big chunk of them is going to go to 00:28:58.919 --> 00:29:05.340 Apple unless lawsuits change things so that's a lot of users that's not the 00:29:03.179 --> 00:29:09.720 same as parlor or getter or an app that has like 10 wackos on it well it's a lot 00:29:08.520 --> 00:29:14.460 of money that's what I wanted to bring up was the fact that parlor came out and 00:29:12.659 --> 00:29:18.419 was like okay we're free speech I mean it sounded a lot like what Elon is 00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:22.260 talking about for Twitter and they got banned because you know they kind of 00:29:20.700 --> 00:29:24.899 said anything goes yeah but the thing is there's like and it broke the Apple and 00:29:23.700 --> 00:29:30.779 Google terms of service for what's allowed there's an app there's cool speech free speech and there's icky Free 00:29:28.500 --> 00:29:35.580 Speech right and apple likes cool free speech you know the 1984 commercial yes 00:29:33.120 --> 00:29:39.779 they're like yeah yeah like little L liberalism kind of like but but then 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:44.039 then there's like icky like proud boys free speech we're just like ew yes no 00:29:42.299 --> 00:29:47.640 and then so there's a whole nother conversation to have there about whether 00:29:45.600 --> 00:29:52.080 Apple and Google should be the ones who are you know dictating what uh social 00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:56.940 media platforms are allowed to be out there in the world but the fact the 00:29:54.120 --> 00:30:01.580 matter remains that uh how Elon continues to run Twitter right now may 00:29:59.340 --> 00:30:06.419 have ramifications for whatever yeah is it the cooler icky Free Speech 00:30:04.020 --> 00:30:10.980 time will tell and was this a cooler icky talk like do you let us know in the 00:30:08.700 --> 00:30:17.840 comments below subscribe to TechLinked that's James you've seen him around 00:30:14.820 --> 00:30:17.840 see you later see you later