1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,060 I think you deserve to get banned off Twitter James I honestly thought it was 2 00:00:04,740 --> 00:00:11,400 a mistake it was so Preposterous stupid what did 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:17,039 you tell Colton again he's Holden set up his Christmas tree in November yes in 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:21,960 November and I said I think it was November 1st I said stop it 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:26,580 I'll kill you and I get that that getting caught by a 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:30,359 robot or an automated system is gonna happen I said the words I'll kill you 7 00:00:28,140 --> 00:00:36,480 like yeah it's exciting violence pretty intense threat yeah but like it's very 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:38,420 clear you know once I say to a human hey 9 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:43,500 there's been a mistake this is my friend I'm joking right which you did multiple 10 00:00:41,340 --> 00:00:46,680 times yes and apparently a human looked at it and they were still like um 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:50,219 no no and then I got banned for an 12 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:53,520 undetermined amount of time first it was I thought it was gonna be a 24-hour ban 13 00:00:51,899 --> 00:00:57,960 then I thought maybe through the weekend then maybe one week 14 00:00:55,739 --> 00:01:02,160 yeah how long was it it was like seven months in the end geez Louise that's 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:05,519 messed up yeah and they don't tell you how long it's gonna be so the effect of 16 00:01:04,019 --> 00:01:09,180 it is basically like uh 17 00:01:07,020 --> 00:01:13,500 just erase Twitter from your life forget like the the result of it longer because 18 00:01:11,820 --> 00:01:17,939 I've been reinstated out of the blue random I just like turned on Twitter one 19 00:01:15,060 --> 00:01:22,259 day I was like oh I'm back yeah and the the effect is that I just barely used 20 00:01:19,860 --> 00:01:26,220 Twitter because like my life adjusted to not having Twitter I made new habits I'm 21 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,700 on Reddit now I love Reddit so much better they're like they there's like a 22 00:01:28,140 --> 00:01:34,500 gaslighting element where they have do you have to convince yourself that Twitter never really existed well I just 23 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:38,820 couldn't maybe I just made that up in my head well habits formed you know 24 00:01:37,020 --> 00:01:43,979 so I learned to live without it so where I where did you go to to get your stupid 25 00:01:41,460 --> 00:01:48,180 thoughts out I don't I just lurk I just lurk now you would lurk on Twitter you'd 26 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,520 come back I was mostly a lurker I I opened Twitter once in a while I just 27 00:01:49,259 --> 00:01:55,380 look at my mentions right right right the jokes are stupid anyway interesting 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:59,759 well that obviously I'm glad that I have you on talk link today to talk about bad 29 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:03,600 boy well I don't know if I would get banned in elon's Twitter or not I guess 30 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:08,280 exactly that's kind of the question I mean how do we I guess I'll say that you 31 00:02:06,780 --> 00:02:13,500 know the the way that elon's been handling Twitter has been uh 32 00:02:10,619 --> 00:02:17,420 very interesting to me inept is a word I would use I don't see that's the thing 33 00:02:14,819 --> 00:02:23,580 the thing is like it's strong opinions about about him and who 34 00:02:20,459 --> 00:02:25,319 he is and what his goals are and I just 35 00:02:23,580 --> 00:02:29,760 really don't know like I know that I think he's a narcissist and that he's 36 00:02:27,420 --> 00:02:35,879 basically just kind of trying to you know get his at the end of the day but I 37 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:37,980 don't know whether he also maybe has an 38 00:02:35,879 --> 00:02:43,200 ideological kind of goal for Twitter like does he actually want it to be 39 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:46,620 the like free speech platform because the more that he the more the things 40 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:50,340 have gone on the more that like moderation he's kind of like added back 41 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:55,019 in I think there's a difference between what he would love it to be in his ideal 42 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:58,560 if this was just for elon's world yeah and what 43 00:02:56,580 --> 00:03:02,879 everyone else wants right I think it's pretty I think he would have it more 44 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:08,220 pure Free Speech anything goes platform if he could have his way but I think 45 00:03:04,739 --> 00:03:10,800 he's been shown that a audiences want 46 00:03:08,220 --> 00:03:16,379 moderation B platforms with moderation make more money um 47 00:03:13,379 --> 00:03:18,900 and that's basically it those things I 48 00:03:16,379 --> 00:03:24,540 mean if you can say anything about his handling of the situation uh a you can 49 00:03:22,860 --> 00:03:29,760 say we're doing A's and B's list today okay one you can say that it's 50 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:31,560 definitely uh chaotic uh and it's like 51 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:34,140 it seems it kind of gives off the impression that he doesn't really know 52 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:39,060 what he's doing and he's just kind of like playing it by ear but two 53 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:43,260 the on the other hand okay this isn't a one-two situation this is a either or on 54 00:03:41,459 --> 00:03:52,519 the one hand it's chaos Julian it's one or zero sure bite you did one binary 55 00:03:46,260 --> 00:03:52,519 yeah Quantum now say zero zero zero 56 00:03:53,519 --> 00:04:00,900 um Elon uh doing all this chaotic stuff and like staying in the news cycle this 57 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:04,799 basically this whole year I mean like when did all this start I think in April 58 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:09,000 he like put in the offer or something yeah but he hasn't looked good like the 59 00:04:07,860 --> 00:04:13,319 whole thing was when he was trying to back out actually we need to step back 60 00:04:11,220 --> 00:04:18,600 from this because he has fans right okay he has Die Hard fans to whom he looks 61 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:21,000 good at all times because they kind of give him the benefit of the doubt you 62 00:04:19,739 --> 00:04:25,979 saw this with Trump as well people going well he's playing 7D chess we just can't 63 00:04:24,060 --> 00:04:30,419 comprehend his moves right with our small brains yeah and I should also I 64 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:34,380 feel like this is necessary as well uh you almost have to do like a like a 65 00:04:32,460 --> 00:04:39,780 disclaimer like a transparency statement of your thoughts on Elon I will say I 66 00:04:37,139 --> 00:04:44,699 used to be a real Elon fan I read his biography huge fan of SpaceX neural link 67 00:04:42,660 --> 00:04:49,880 boring company I was privy to all of his uh everything he was doing he's saving 68 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:52,500 the world let's go to Mars big believer 69 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:56,759 self-driving cars big believer and I I still do think that he's a net positive 70 00:04:54,900 --> 00:05:02,100 force in the world I'm glad he you do exist man we had a big uh debate about 71 00:04:59,699 --> 00:05:05,940 that upstairs well just for the climate change aspect of it and accelerating the 72 00:05:04,020 --> 00:05:09,900 adoption of electric electric cars so but that said ever since like the pedal 73 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:13,620 boy stuff and probably more now than ever he's really fallen from grace and 74 00:05:11,460 --> 00:05:17,460 he's no longer like my personal hero um so just for the Fanboys you're a 75 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:21,060 reformed Elon boy so I just want people to know that when I hate on Elon I'm not 76 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:25,320 like a pure hater like right you know I've been along for the ride you have 77 00:05:22,979 --> 00:05:31,800 you have some cred to be able to say I think so hey guys maybe Elon isn't Jesus 78 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,600 Christ yeah I think I I don't agree with 79 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,900 um detractors who say that he's just a rich guy who just like amplifies other 80 00:05:35,100 --> 00:05:41,160 people's inventions I think he is very smart I think he's taking big bets he's 81 00:05:38,820 --> 00:05:45,479 an audacious character I think he deserves a lot of the praise he gets but 82 00:05:43,500 --> 00:05:50,699 I also think he's a douchebag for sure I mean I've seen some comparisons recently 83 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:53,880 to Steve Jobs uh in the sense that Steve 84 00:05:50,699 --> 00:05:55,440 Jobs was kind of known as an uh 85 00:05:53,880 --> 00:06:01,020 but he was able to get things done the question is whether 86 00:05:58,500 --> 00:06:05,840 Steve Jobs like because it seems like Steve Jobs wasn't an Internet edgelord 87 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:10,139 troll so that's like a whole nother yes he's just icky and it sucks yeah it 88 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:15,660 sucks that he couldn't just be less icky anyways back on topic right so um April 89 00:06:13,199 --> 00:06:21,300 is I was right April is when uh he initially oh no he that's when he bought 90 00:06:18,180 --> 00:06:23,280 9.2 of Twitter yeah without like telling 91 00:06:21,300 --> 00:06:25,919 anyone he did so then I mean that's a douchebag move like that would have 92 00:06:24,539 --> 00:06:29,039 jacked up the stock price but he wanted to buy it at a lower price we screwed 93 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:32,340 over other shareholders or would-be shareholders yeah that's that's a 94 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:37,800 douchebag move and that's Lex Luthor move right not a Superman that's a whole 95 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:42,600 other angle to this never mind the whole like oh is he going to transform Twitter 96 00:06:40,740 --> 00:06:47,819 into a thing a different thing or not like the there's a behind the scenes 97 00:06:45,060 --> 00:06:51,180 type of story where he might just be doing all this to manipulate stock 98 00:06:49,620 --> 00:06:55,800 options so he could make money that way he does do a lot of behind the scenes 99 00:06:52,620 --> 00:06:57,960 things so for example when he looks to 100 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:05,039 me he looks really bad when he he's coming in firing people and um 101 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,720 the the biggest biggest blemish on the 102 00:07:05,039 --> 00:07:11,759 whole thing is the blue check mark thing for people impersonating George Bush and 103 00:07:09,419 --> 00:07:16,380 saying like 911 was uh pretty cool you know like yeah people are just making 104 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:19,979 mockery the whole verification system at this point it's unclear whether there's 105 00:07:17,940 --> 00:07:22,319 a point to the blue check mark at all what does blue check mark signify it 106 00:07:21,419 --> 00:07:26,759 just means you're a paying customer that's the whole thing who cares yeah so 107 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:31,199 that looks like a debacle that looks like an absolute dumpster fire however 108 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:37,259 my personal feeling is that he'd roll that out in such a quick bad way because 109 00:07:35,039 --> 00:07:40,500 it just meant getting money he just got a bunch of eight dollars he's got a 110 00:07:38,639 --> 00:07:45,300 bunch of eight dollars right away yeah right what was if he spent the time 111 00:07:43,380 --> 00:07:49,380 to like actually develop and roll out a proper functioning feature with kyc or 112 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:52,979 whatever it would have taken time and he wants to move in he wants to shake it up 113 00:07:51,419 --> 00:07:57,479 right away he wants to change the culture very aggressively with hardcore 114 00:07:55,139 --> 00:08:01,560 people who work long hours changing culture is very hard so you 115 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:05,039 know he's getting a lot of flack for how he's approaching that but 116 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,979 it was never going to be clean okay that's enough of that I want to talk 117 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:15,300 about the Twitter blue check mark because uh that was hilarious because so 118 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:20,699 like as a verified person I got I somehow got verified on Twitter before 119 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:25,620 yeah I know there was like they opened up verification a while back and a bunch 120 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:30,360 of people applied like me yeah and I did and uh I I got verified so like as a 121 00:08:29,039 --> 00:08:35,459 verified person it's been interesting for me to watch this because Here Comes 122 00:08:32,580 --> 00:08:39,719 Elon being basically like so that thing that you have 123 00:08:36,839 --> 00:08:45,720 I'm basically gonna make it worthless because if everyone can buy a check mark 124 00:08:42,959 --> 00:08:50,160 then what do the non-bot check marks mean they don't really mean anything 125 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:53,700 so we so here's here's what happened okay so he came in he's like Twitter 126 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:57,959 blue we're launching it with the check mark that happened a bunch of people 127 00:08:55,560 --> 00:09:01,320 impersonated existed before Elon though sorry Twitter blue did exist but you 128 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:05,760 didn't get to check mark and it wasn't expensive enough it was like two bucks a month or something nobody wanted that 129 00:09:03,839 --> 00:09:09,899 crap right you see it you want to give you the other part of the stat of this 130 00:09:08,100 --> 00:09:12,000 uh checkmark thing is the status things need to be sufficiently expensive so 131 00:09:11,220 --> 00:09:17,459 that you think you're getting enough status from them yes and the check mark needs to be sufficiently rare that it's 132 00:09:15,779 --> 00:09:20,700 a status symbol as well so what does the check mark mean does it mean I'm a 133 00:09:18,959 --> 00:09:26,459 verified person like when you're talking to Dunkin Donuts it's the real Dunkin 134 00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:29,760 Donuts and not like a parody it's the real Riley yeah or does it mean if you 135 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,839 want to talk to the people so there's that aspect like you're trying to talk to the real person and there's the other 136 00:09:32,339 --> 00:09:40,860 aspect of like whoa you're famous enough to have a check mark You're the real 137 00:09:35,820 --> 00:09:42,420 right exactly and I mean if I if I if 138 00:09:40,860 --> 00:09:47,220 I'm being honest there's like a little bit of sadness that comes with a check mark because you're like man I kind of 139 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:52,560 feel like I sold out like I could be like I could have more uh you know Cloud 140 00:09:49,980 --> 00:09:59,220 uh not boots on the ground not cloud like cred street cred that's Cloud now 141 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:02,160 Twitter timeline cred that's called 142 00:09:59,220 --> 00:10:06,839 yeah but I would call it cred okay uh if I didn't have the check mark but uh 143 00:10:04,019 --> 00:10:11,040 anyways so he launched the check mark as part of Twitter blue a bunch of 144 00:10:08,339 --> 00:10:14,640 impersonation happened uh uh not everybody who did it impersonated people 145 00:10:12,540 --> 00:10:19,019 obviously but obvious enough chaos happened that they took it away again 146 00:10:16,140 --> 00:10:22,800 they just took they just stopped signups okay 147 00:10:20,940 --> 00:10:26,760 anyway before they stop sign ups they added the official check mark so they 148 00:10:24,779 --> 00:10:31,980 added a second check this one was great this was a gray official check mark uh 149 00:10:29,820 --> 00:10:35,279 that goes under the brands under the names of Sir this is the development of 150 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:38,640 like a cast system now yeah right where it's like okay you can pay for the blue 151 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,880 check mark which no one else will care if you have one because you just bought 152 00:10:39,839 --> 00:10:45,120 it for eight dollars or you can have the real the new real check mark which is 153 00:10:43,620 --> 00:10:49,260 the gray one which you have to be a public figure or a known brand for or 154 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:53,100 whatever right check mark the gray official check mark under the the blue 155 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:56,640 check mark which is white right now because of uh you know dark mode but 156 00:10:55,560 --> 00:11:00,899 anyways it really it begs the question why did does Twitter blue come with a 157 00:10:59,339 --> 00:11:05,279 blue check mark is it because you they think oh I get a 158 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:08,220 check mark if I buy it sweet I don't really care about these other parts of 159 00:11:06,779 --> 00:11:13,200 the Twitter blue Suite what I care about is having a check mark so I will pay for that but 160 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:16,079 that like once everyone's paying for that the check mark is meaningless 161 00:11:14,459 --> 00:11:19,860 exactly why do they even include it so that's why they felt the need to add the 162 00:11:17,519 --> 00:11:25,260 second gray official check mark and at first everyone got everyone with a 163 00:11:21,899 --> 00:11:27,540 original Legacy Legacy check mark got 164 00:11:25,260 --> 00:11:30,899 the second gray official check mark and then they were like wait we can't do 165 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:35,160 that because then all the people who are paying for Twitter blue will just want 166 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:37,380 that so then they took it all away that 167 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:40,500 they canceled sign ups or they suspended Twitter blue signups and they took away 168 00:11:38,820 --> 00:11:44,399 the official check mark and they said we won't be doing the official check mark 169 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:50,459 and then a few days later they brought it back so now 170 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:53,820 some brands have two check marks okay 171 00:11:50,459 --> 00:11:58,260 some like Brands like PC Gamer and like 172 00:11:53,820 --> 00:12:00,240 companies uh have the original Legacy 173 00:11:58,260 --> 00:12:05,220 check mark and the official check mark I don't you don't have one though I have the 174 00:12:03,180 --> 00:12:10,800 Legacy check mark still okay but I don't have the official so like 175 00:12:08,220 --> 00:12:15,360 it's funny because in an attempt to sort of weird so there's like three check 176 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:17,220 marks that's weird yeah so like to go 177 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:20,640 back to the point of a checklist and you're the loser in the situation because people just assume you pay eight 178 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:24,360 dollars exactly you don't even know you're famous exactly I hope that I hope 179 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:30,180 that people aren't seeing me reply I'm super famous you guys 180 00:12:26,339 --> 00:12:32,040 he's really famous no but the I I'm 181 00:12:30,180 --> 00:12:35,220 worried that people are gonna see me and think that I paid for Twitter blue not 182 00:12:34,140 --> 00:12:39,600 that that's a big deal the most frustrating thing is that when you do pay like what is the meaning of the 183 00:12:38,220 --> 00:12:45,660 Twitter blue check mark you paid your eight dollars does it mean they scanned 184 00:12:42,420 --> 00:12:47,220 my ID card I'm a real human right I 185 00:12:45,660 --> 00:12:51,060 think it will in the future that was the purpose but now it doesn't because well 186 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:54,899 as we saw with the George Bush accounts and everything exactly do whatever you 187 00:12:52,980 --> 00:12:58,740 want so initially when he said okay disaster people are gonna pay eight 188 00:12:57,300 --> 00:13:03,420 dollars for Twitter blue and it'll help defeat Bots initially I was kind of like 189 00:13:01,380 --> 00:13:09,480 I can see that because the whole power of bots is in like swarming right uh so 190 00:13:07,139 --> 00:13:13,380 if you want like a million accounts to go and like inflate follower accounts or 191 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:18,120 or like numbers which Elon benefits from he always has right he's always had a 192 00:13:15,180 --> 00:13:22,160 big bot Army sure and so there's some some uh what do you call that 193 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,940 um but I was always like okay they're not gonna 194 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:35,639 pay eight dollars per month for each one of these little Bots that they need as part of the swarm no I can't do that but 195 00:13:32,839 --> 00:13:38,940 what you can do with a nation of statement is impersonate people actually 196 00:13:37,079 --> 00:13:44,160 a nation state might do that sure sure and and as people pointed out 197 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:50,399 uh if there's enough power like you're not paying eight dollars per bot like 198 00:13:47,220 --> 00:13:54,300 all the time you're paying eight dollars 199 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:56,279 a month per bot so you might absorb the 200 00:13:54,300 --> 00:14:02,220 cost of like paying eight dollars a month for like hundreds of accounts 201 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:05,940 um in order to have those accounts follow multiple people and like multiple 202 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:09,240 Point uh posts like it's not like they're single use like you have this 203 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:14,760 bot Army now you need to do anything but you need to be like an agency to get enough clients to pay for your Bot Army 204 00:14:12,180 --> 00:14:19,139 sure sure I just mean that uh the idea that only humans would pay uh eight 205 00:14:18,060 --> 00:14:24,000 dollars a month for their personal account or whatever is is not really 206 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,700 no you need anybody could do that you need other forms of cable right so it's 207 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:31,620 not enough for verification by the way kyc means know your customers what they use in banking and even in the crypto 208 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:35,880 world there's tons of apps where you can you know scan your Biometrics and your 209 00:14:34,260 --> 00:14:43,019 ID and stuff like that how well it works I don't know but I'm sure Elon could figure it out or am I I don't know oh my 210 00:14:40,260 --> 00:14:48,540 gosh so like to me the this whole check mark uh drama was was actually really 211 00:14:45,959 --> 00:14:52,740 important it like it a lot of people used it to like make fun of uh of Elon 212 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:57,180 and Twitter and stuff and Tumblr launched the ability to like pay eight 213 00:14:54,779 --> 00:14:59,880 dollars per likes to add multiple check marks so you could pay eight dollars for 214 00:14:58,500 --> 00:15:07,260 one then another eight dollars for another one and then you could go up to 24 check marks yeah yeah 215 00:15:04,860 --> 00:15:10,620 um so like it was funny but at the same time it's actually really important 216 00:15:08,519 --> 00:15:15,839 because check marks came about because of the the risk of impersonation 217 00:15:12,300 --> 00:15:18,600 Facebook Instagram uh I think tick tock 218 00:15:15,839 --> 00:15:23,420 not sure has check marks to like the point is to say this is the real account 219 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:25,740 and on Twitter Elon is coming in here 220 00:15:23,420 --> 00:15:30,060 and I see what he's trying to do he's trying to like verify real humans but 221 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,699 not trying very hard he's not trying very hard and what he actually might do 222 00:15:31,740 --> 00:15:37,860 is erase the power of the check mark like a 223 00:15:35,220 --> 00:15:42,180 race its ability to actually denote someone important or just to someone who 224 00:15:40,260 --> 00:15:45,779 may be in person well we're hoping that I'm hoping that it like there's just 225 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:52,019 more verification in the future what they have done is banned impersonation 226 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:54,420 so that people have read this as okay 227 00:15:52,019 --> 00:15:58,199 rules for thee but not for me like free speech unless you're making fun of Elon 228 00:15:56,339 --> 00:16:01,440 Musk like Kathy Griffin and now she's banned um but the thing with the 229 00:15:59,699 --> 00:16:05,279 impersonate it doesn't solve the bot problem because these Bots are not 230 00:16:03,180 --> 00:16:09,660 impersonating real people they're not impersonating real identities they're 231 00:16:07,740 --> 00:16:13,260 generated identities they're fake names they're made up so the impersonation 232 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:19,440 band does nothing to solve the ball the bot problem yeah 233 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:22,199 I guess I wish that uh Elon came in and 234 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:25,920 just went straight for the like moderation stuff 235 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:29,220 because that is another like that that to me is like the most interesting 236 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:34,199 aspect of what he wants to do with Twitter he wants to take it from being 237 00:16:31,260 --> 00:16:37,560 this like very heavily moderated uh you know you say something that might offend 238 00:16:35,399 --> 00:16:42,540 people then you get banned you get you say something that is obviously a joke 239 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:46,259 but could be like interpreted by a robot as like a death threat or something and 240 00:16:44,699 --> 00:16:50,639 well it's unclear if elon's Twitter changes that right like because he still 241 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:56,040 he has some rules and I think inciting violence or actual harassment is still 242 00:16:53,579 --> 00:16:59,759 against the rules so I'm I might still get banned for that and maybe the people 243 00:16:57,959 --> 00:17:04,260 who work for Elon if a human looks at my case and they're one of elon's humans I 244 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:08,699 would they would reinstate me I don't know well I mean if anything Twitter 245 00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:12,480 just has less resources to be able to like put spiritual humans towards those 246 00:17:10,679 --> 00:17:16,919 kind of things because he got he gutted the words that's the thing maybe his intention was to be like you know what 247 00:17:14,939 --> 00:17:22,319 Twitter should be a utility it should be like a public service and so let's just 248 00:17:20,459 --> 00:17:25,559 make it accessible to all and it's the Town Square yeah you know but then he 249 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:31,679 was like damn it I don't have enough money to afford this town square so now I need to do things to monetize This 250 00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:35,100 Town Square yeah and that's where now he has to not really make the thing 251 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:39,000 that he wants to make and I think that's that's if if there's a biggest criticism 252 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:43,500 of Elon and his handling of Twitter after he actually acquired Twitter I 253 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:48,299 would say that it's like going after the monetization first instead of like 254 00:17:46,679 --> 00:17:52,500 making the changes that you want to make in terms of moderation and then being 255 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:56,940 like all right because he tried to he's basically like this is what every 256 00:17:54,240 --> 00:18:00,900 startup has to do they have to make a business model prove that they have 257 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:04,620 something that kind of works smoothly and then 258 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:07,740 you know up till that point investors have signed 259 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:12,780 on and then they have to prove to those investors after a while that they can monetize it and then they bring in the 260 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:15,480 money uh but what he tried to do with Twitter is like okay you guys have been 261 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:21,000 on that cycle for a long time and Twitter has never really been profitable uh consistently and so he's like we need 262 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:24,660 the monetization now but that left led us into this stupid 263 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:28,140 situation where we're launching technology we're launching them and the 264 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:31,860 advertisers are leaving and advertising exactly advertisers like moderation 265 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:35,580 because they don't want their their ad to be beside a tweet with the n-word in 266 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:39,480 it or something exactly he came in trying to like do the monetization right 267 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:44,280 away yeah and instead he actually lost a ton he's also just a poor Steward of the 268 00:18:42,299 --> 00:18:48,419 platform for two reasons like when you look at Bezos with the Washington Post 269 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:52,679 that has been a success because he's been hands off the Washington Post I 270 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:57,120 need to let them continue to do their thing and he just kind of saved it 271 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:01,500 monetarily and Elon could have done that but he he's such a he's a power user 272 00:18:59,220 --> 00:19:04,860 he's the biggest of him and Trump I guess 80 million subs or followers he's 273 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:09,600 the biggest user of Twitter so he's already kind of like two two in the 274 00:19:07,620 --> 00:19:14,160 water with Twitter to really be a good Steward of the second aspect of it which 275 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:16,980 is even worse is his reliance 276 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:21,539 on China for his personal income oh Tesla relies heavily on China 277 00:19:19,500 --> 00:19:26,039 they have they have gigafactories in China right China doesn't not give a 278 00:19:24,059 --> 00:19:31,620 that Tesla is a separate company than Twitter that's not how China rolls 279 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:33,960 China leverages all leverages that are 280 00:19:31,620 --> 00:19:37,440 possible and so if if China goes hey we didn't we don't like 281 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:41,520 the messages you're amplifying on Twitter we don't like all the Taiwan 282 00:19:39,059 --> 00:19:47,880 trending hashtags on Twitter uh so Tesla's gonna get hurt unless you change 283 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:51,480 your town square uh to be China friendly 284 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:54,660 Tesla's gonna get hurt he is so beholden 285 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:57,960 to the the CCP that how that Twitter 286 00:19:54,660 --> 00:20:00,539 just cannot be uh a western town square 287 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:05,039 Free Speech Mecca really this is no way how confident are you in the fact that 288 00:20:02,820 --> 00:20:08,940 if China is upset with something that elon's doing he's going to have that 289 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,460 trickle down into the way that he runs Twitter well it's a source of all his 290 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,880 wealth do you think he wants to be poor he seems to enjoy being rich would he 291 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:20,220 change ask your ask the former part of you that 292 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:25,200 was an Elon Fanboy would he uh compromise Twitter uh and like because 293 00:20:23,340 --> 00:20:30,660 his whole thing is like free speech blah blah and so is he going to completely 294 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:32,160 throw that aside uh if or would he just 295 00:20:30,660 --> 00:20:37,200 jettison Twitter would he just try to like get rid of it well he might let's 296 00:20:34,679 --> 00:20:42,480 say that he is just like a uh he's a human computer he might uh prioritize 297 00:20:40,260 --> 00:20:47,039 his like hierarchy of need or of like values right he might go okay I one of 298 00:20:45,419 --> 00:20:52,080 my values is Free Speech in this town square Twitter platform one of my values 299 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,520 is reducing climate change and 300 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:57,900 accelerating the adoption of electric cars which one do I care more about 301 00:20:56,039 --> 00:21:01,740 if I care more about reducing climate change because that's an existential 302 00:20:59,220 --> 00:21:06,000 risk to humanity things that Elon cares a lot about yeah then he might 303 00:21:03,299 --> 00:21:07,380 prioritize saving Tesla above saving Twitter 304 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:14,520 um although there are other companies other than electric cars I feel like he would 305 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:18,539 if he had to if he had to save one he would obviously save Tesla 306 00:21:16,919 --> 00:21:21,660 not Twitter because here's the the reality of the situation now is that 307 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:25,020 that's what get where he gets his money like yeah for sure the view I just 308 00:21:23,580 --> 00:21:30,000 outlined is the charitable of you but like really the more narcissistic and like 309 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,940 self-preservation view is that he just like saves the thing that makes him the 310 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:36,539 most money yeah and he'll probably justify that mentally by going well if 311 00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:40,740 I'm rich I can do great things with my money right right the world is better off if I'm rich because I do great 312 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:47,100 things with my money I can spend my money better than a government can even beside the whole point of like okay 313 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:50,760 Financial uh survivorship 314 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:52,080 Financial viability for Elon Musk uh the 315 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,559 fact of the matter is that a lot of people are looking to other social media 316 00:21:53,820 --> 00:22:01,380 platforms right now because of all the instability that's happening at Twitter 317 00:21:57,419 --> 00:22:03,000 so I mean I know that I I have not made 318 00:22:01,380 --> 00:22:07,500 accounts on anything else yet because I'm like Twitter is probably gonna 319 00:22:04,679 --> 00:22:10,320 survive in some way I mean how do you feel about that do you think that like 320 00:22:08,700 --> 00:22:15,240 there's a world in which Twitter just like stops it's possible but Network 321 00:22:12,539 --> 00:22:19,320 effects are very strong um and even if Twitter kind of sucks it 322 00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:26,580 probably has excess momentum right whereby it it remains in place unless 323 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:28,679 like yes there is a cornucopia of other 324 00:22:26,580 --> 00:22:32,580 of other things to hop on but that's actually a weakness we need one other 325 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:37,440 thing that's clearly awesome and emerging that we all hop onto so it gets 326 00:22:35,220 --> 00:22:42,059 Network effects it gets inertia and can usurp the social landscape yeah and I've 327 00:22:40,020 --> 00:22:47,039 seen a couple Alternatives kind of like come up in the uh in the conversation 328 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:50,159 and like there was a time when master Don was kind of the front runner and 329 00:22:48,780 --> 00:22:55,740 then people were talking about co-host this week so far as there's been a lot 330 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:57,860 of talk about Hive social which is 331 00:22:55,740 --> 00:23:02,039 um kind of like a mix between Instagram and Twitter 332 00:22:59,940 --> 00:23:06,539 but as far as I can tell it it doesn't have a web interface right now it's just 333 00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:11,220 an app it's probably just an iOS app too so it's like that's how it goes each one 334 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:15,600 of these things has has like a specific problem like Mastodon you have to it's 335 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:20,539 it's sort of like it's like Reddit but instead of having like each it would be 336 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:26,700 like if each subreddit was run entirely on and this and the server was run by 337 00:23:24,299 --> 00:23:31,080 the mods as if it's like it's not just part of the Reddit site that you can 338 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:37,080 kind of control it's like you can you can like suspend people's whole Mastodon 339 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:41,820 accounts within the server and then they can't go and join another server unless 340 00:23:39,299 --> 00:23:46,380 the mod that suspended them from that from the previous server unsuspense them 341 00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:50,340 so it's like there's there's a lot of control there and I've I've heard people 342 00:23:48,659 --> 00:23:54,000 uh complaining about Mastodon because it's like it has kind of a higher 343 00:23:52,380 --> 00:23:58,559 technical barrier of Entry you kind of have to like set things up and it's not 344 00:23:55,860 --> 00:24:02,520 just like log in and boom you're there um and co-host I think I I don't know 345 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:06,900 enough about these other ones but um okay so you you don't you don't view 346 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:10,440 any of the Alternatives as viable really not yet but we'll see what happens we'll 347 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:15,179 see what happens I think people will probably stick with Twitter I agree um 348 00:24:13,140 --> 00:24:20,039 one of the questions maybe the last question uh 349 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:24,480 what do we want from social media like what do you what do you go to social 350 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:30,960 media for and what do you think people should be going there for information 351 00:24:26,659 --> 00:24:33,600 humor I mean you want the the thing the 352 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:40,860 public health of it is really the that is the crisis uh nobody wants to see 353 00:24:37,260 --> 00:24:42,299 platforms amplifying fake news we don't 354 00:24:40,860 --> 00:24:48,240 want to see platforms being manipulated by other nation states influencing 355 00:24:45,419 --> 00:24:51,600 elections or public sentiment you know the tick tock problem the Facebook 356 00:24:49,620 --> 00:24:57,120 problem 2016. um we don't want to log on and see 357 00:24:54,240 --> 00:25:00,720 like Gore from a car accident or Isis beheadings like you want that kind of 358 00:24:58,980 --> 00:25:04,740 moderation right um mostly just want to look at cat 359 00:25:01,980 --> 00:25:08,340 photos you know and on social media and that's Instagram 360 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:13,620 well I don't I don't I don't use Instagram you want to see like 361 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:18,299 statements from politicians and noteworthy people hilarious jokes yeah I 362 00:25:16,679 --> 00:25:23,220 guess a lot of people do want like they go on Instagram just to see like photos 363 00:25:21,059 --> 00:25:27,059 and videos and stuff I feel like for me for me Twitter the reason why I love it 364 00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:31,440 is not only just the fact that it's just text but that it's like so low effort 365 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:35,880 like on Instagram and and Tick Tock and I mean I'm not even going to talk about 366 00:25:33,059 --> 00:25:39,419 Facebook but it seems to be that you have to like really think about a post 367 00:25:37,380 --> 00:25:43,440 and like spend time and like edit the photo and edit the video and blah blah 368 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:47,520 and on Twitter it's just like it's just immediate there's a limit 369 00:25:45,659 --> 00:25:50,520 there's a character limit so you have to kind of like edit yourself a little bit 370 00:25:48,779 --> 00:25:55,380 but it's like that's a good constraint you want constraints that uh are 371 00:25:53,580 --> 00:25:59,400 conducive towards making the content better and less effort putting towards 372 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:04,440 on social media yeah the problem with Twitter though is nobody's listening to you you know what do you mean for most 373 00:26:02,340 --> 00:26:07,860 people they have like zero to ten followers and they're just feeding into 374 00:26:06,059 --> 00:26:10,260 the void and right people don't even I have really talented friends I'm like 375 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:15,360 man this is hilarious you should put this on Twitter you should have a Twitter and they're like why so no one 376 00:26:13,380 --> 00:26:18,480 can see my stuff right right like how do you get off the ground on Twitter it's 377 00:26:16,620 --> 00:26:22,919 like that's a really unappealing that's a really important point to bring up uh 378 00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:28,740 because we are like you know web personalities and we tweet and people 379 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:33,059 engage with us because they're like you're the tech link guy you're the LTT 380 00:26:30,539 --> 00:26:36,779 guy uh but most people yeah don't have that imagine you're just a guy oh my 381 00:26:34,980 --> 00:26:41,100 gosh I mean no like that's what's happening with the checkbook before before I got into YouTube I did use 382 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:44,700 Instagram because that's where my friends were and so like you know I 383 00:26:42,659 --> 00:26:48,779 didn't post very often but like I still felt the need to post there and post on 384 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:51,960 Facebook and stuff because yes so like I will say that all right I'll take it 385 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:55,740 back a second because the reason I love Twitter is 386 00:26:53,640 --> 00:27:01,500 like most of the reasons that I love Twitter for are because I'm who I am 387 00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:05,760 right now uh but if I was using it more in like a interact with my immediate 388 00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:10,440 friends and family and Social Circles then I would want something more like 389 00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:15,900 Facebook the early days of Facebook yeah the early days where you know you're not 390 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:18,720 looking for likes per se you go on a trip and you take a bunch of photos and 391 00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:24,539 then you come home and the first thing you do is upload the full album to Facebook and just post like 40 photos 392 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:29,460 and then people go through and they're like oh this one's cool whoa you did 393 00:27:26,159 --> 00:27:31,440 that awesome that was great 394 00:27:29,460 --> 00:27:35,220 and I feel like that's the dream that some of these alternative platforms are 395 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:39,419 trying to get to like we're talking mostly right now about the 396 00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:42,659 Twitter Replacements which are just like what we were talking about where it's 397 00:27:40,980 --> 00:27:47,100 just like you know breaking news and like stupid little thoughts that you 398 00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:51,539 have in the toilet and stuff but if there was like a way to I mean maybe 399 00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:54,720 Hive social is this where it's like back to a simpler time of social media where 400 00:27:53,460 --> 00:27:59,100 you're just like I just wanna I just wanna post something and have it my friends see it and like talk about it 401 00:27:57,659 --> 00:28:02,340 okay the last thing that I just wanted to mention we talked a bit about like 402 00:28:00,659 --> 00:28:06,179 will Twitter survived and the the Alternatives and stuff but I also want 403 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:10,919 to bring up the fact that it might not be up to anything that Elon does or 404 00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:14,039 anyone else uh at Twitter does uh it might not be up to them whether 405 00:28:12,659 --> 00:28:18,480 Twitter survives or not it might be up to Apple and Google oh yes because Phil 406 00:28:16,919 --> 00:28:21,960 Schiller I mean I don't know if this is like a big red flag or whatever a big 407 00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:27,840 like thing to indicate something but Phil Schiller left Twitter and that's 408 00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:32,940 got people talking about Apple and whether Apple was like hmm uh maybe we 409 00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:36,720 don't like the way that uh Elon Musk is taking Twitter in terms of moderation 410 00:28:34,140 --> 00:28:41,340 trailer left Twitter because he gets a keynote stage to say whatever he wants 411 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:45,419 on every six months he can still voice his opinion to the World on his own oh 412 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:49,679 stage I don't think that this is a signal that Apple's gonna ban Twitter 413 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:53,820 from the App Store I think especially now more than ever the more monetized 414 00:28:52,020 --> 00:28:57,720 Twitter gets the more money Apple makes all those transactions that are 415 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:01,500 happening on the app are gonna you know a big chunk of them is going to go to 416 00:28:58,919 --> 00:29:05,340 Apple unless lawsuits change things so that's a lot of users that's not the 417 00:29:03,179 --> 00:29:09,720 same as parlor or getter or an app that has like 10 wackos on it well it's a lot 418 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:14,460 of money that's what I wanted to bring up was the fact that parlor came out and 419 00:29:12,659 --> 00:29:18,419 was like okay we're free speech I mean it sounded a lot like what Elon is 420 00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:22,260 talking about for Twitter and they got banned because you know they kind of 421 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:24,899 said anything goes yeah but the thing is there's like and it broke the Apple and 422 00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:30,779 Google terms of service for what's allowed there's an app there's cool speech free speech and there's icky Free 423 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:35,580 Speech right and apple likes cool free speech you know the 1984 commercial yes 424 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:39,779 they're like yeah yeah like little L liberalism kind of like but but then 425 00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:44,039 then there's like icky like proud boys free speech we're just like ew yes no 426 00:29:42,299 --> 00:29:47,640 and then so there's a whole nother conversation to have there about whether 427 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:52,080 Apple and Google should be the ones who are you know dictating what uh social 428 00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:56,940 media platforms are allowed to be out there in the world but the fact the 429 00:29:54,120 --> 00:30:01,580 matter remains that uh how Elon continues to run Twitter right now may 430 00:29:59,340 --> 00:30:06,419 have ramifications for whatever yeah is it the cooler icky Free Speech 431 00:30:04,020 --> 00:30:10,980 time will tell and was this a cooler icky talk like do you let us know in the 432 00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:17,840 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