WEBVTT 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:07.359 How many times have you guys asked a question online just to get several different responses like what CPU should 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:12.320 I use? >> Or how much RAM do I need? 00:00:10.719 --> 00:00:17.440 >> Will you guys stop? >> NO. >> WELL, AT least they can all agree on 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:21.760 that. But it does make me wonder, do we, the writers of Lionus Tech Tips all give 00:00:19.520 --> 00:00:26.160 different answers to arguably objective questions? And if we don't, can we give 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:30.000 a convincing reason as to why we think the way we do? Each one of us is going 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:33.840 to read off a prompt, give our answer, and see what arguments come out of it. 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:36.079 Ray tracing is path tracing. Okay, so when they just they just lied the whole 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:40.960 time. They lied the whole [laughter] time. It's like how no it's not okay, you know. And to make it even more 00:00:39.360 --> 00:00:45.120 interesting, some of these questions Lionus has already answered whether it 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:48.079 was on WAN Show or in another video. We may not know in the moment when we're 00:00:46.480 --> 00:00:52.160 debating, but you guys will see this little popup. How about we start with 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:56.879 that first one? How much RAM and storage do you need for gaming in 2025? I would 00:00:55.360 --> 00:01:01.760 make the argument that you only need about 16 GB of memory and 1 TB of 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:06.080 storage. If you're doing more demanding tasks like Photoshop editing or video 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:08.880 editing, then I would argue for more RAM, but I feel like 1 TB gets you 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:13.760 enough of a handful of games. >> We got to use the paddles. >> Oh, we got paddles. 00:01:10.960 --> 00:01:18.240 >> I It's close. It's really close. I think that one tab is enough for games and I 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:22.479 think 16 gigs of RAM is starting to be on the low end if you're running Windows 00:01:20.720 --> 00:01:26.479 11 and if you're doing any kind of extra like I have uh my Plex server on my 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:30.960 computer and so I've been getting low memory warnings with 32 gigs of RAM 00:01:29.360 --> 00:01:34.960 >> uh when I try to launch a game if I have stuff running in the background. >> That's a fair point. 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:39.600 >> He only said gamings. He only said gaming. That's true. >> I would also agree with you in so far as 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:42.836 that the difference in price between 16 and 32 is not that big. 00:01:41.360 --> 00:01:44.856 >> Yeah. >> [music] 00:01:45.360 --> 00:01:50.479 >> and you are going to get a lot more long-term value out of a 32 GB kit. 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:53.520 >> There's really good value DDR5 kit. So, if you're building a DDR5 machine, I 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:57.520 would push towards 32. But if you're going so budget that you're on DDR4, 16 00:01:55.600 --> 00:02:01.600 is probably still adequate. But like everything we're going to answer today, 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:05.280 I think it's going to be a it depends. It also depends on your internet speed 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:08.959 and if you are capped on data cuz if it is a big deal to download games that 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:11.680 takes 2 days and you are limited to 200 gigs a month, then you want to have a 00:02:10.720 --> 00:02:14.959 lot of storage. What are you guys playing this? Okay, click. >> Yeah, see you in 10 minutes. 00:02:14.640 --> 00:02:21.599 >> Yeah, >> just like you should click the link down below to our sponsor, Corsair. Their 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:23.520 Xenon Edge is a 14.5 in display meant to 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:28.560 add style and versatility to your build. It has a resolution of 2560x720 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:32.319 and a 60 Hz refresh rate. It looks great inside and outside of your case. So, add 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:36.239 another display to your setup with the Corsair Xenon Edge at the link down 00:02:34.239 --> 00:02:42.000 below. Who wants to take the next one? Oh, David. What is better for most 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:43.680 people, a pre-built or a customuilt PC? 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:48.400 I don't want to answer this. Most people is too hard of a of a term to to kind of 00:02:46.480 --> 00:02:50.560 lock down. For most people, if we're including literally everyone on this 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:58.080 planet, most >> pre-built. I think that it is a better choice for most people. I have been 00:02:55.760 --> 00:03:03.040 shocked with how difficult it is to optimize your PC in 2025. Getting 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:07.200 resizable bar working for normal people is enough of a obstacle that you will 00:03:05.200 --> 00:03:10.480 not get the most out of your GPU. And if it's pre-built and they're optimizing it 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:15.680 for you, then you are actually getting your money's worth. That's assuming those settings are done out of the box, 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:19.040 which we've seen from our Secret Shopper series that sometimes they don't take 00:03:17.440 --> 00:03:23.040 the time to configure the BIOS, maybe missing XMPP or some other settings, 00:03:21.440 --> 00:03:27.040 right? I think it's still good to do a onceover, maybe watching a video that 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:30.799 can help you get the most out of your PC, even if you do buy a pre-built. But 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:36.319 I would agree for most people a pre-built is probably the way to go. >> I've had multiple friends reach out for 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:39.840 help and I've given them like full tutorials on here's what you need to do. 00:03:37.760 --> 00:03:43.200 Here's your parts list. Here's how it'll go. I'll walk you through building it. 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:46.239 And then a week later they just like I bought this pre-built and they send me a 00:03:44.640 --> 00:03:49.680 link. And I'm [laughter] like that's cool, man. I'm happy for you. You've got 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:51.599 a computer and whatever. It can be a daunting task. Yeah. Right. They get 00:03:51.200 --> 00:03:56.480 afraid. >> It's just it's the same thing. It's like should you change your own oil? 00:03:54.640 --> 00:04:01.120 Probably. It's not that hard. So you save a lot of money. You can dump it 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:04.959 down the drain. Uh, and [laughter] but 90% of people just go to the quick 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:07.280 lube and then say no to anything that they offer you and get your oil changed. 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:13.280 >> I hope so. >> Like, let's go, Adam. >> What is the biggest waste of money when 00:04:10.640 --> 00:04:17.040 building a PC? >> This is hard to yes or no because 00:04:15.519 --> 00:04:19.919 >> I mean, we're going to agree. >> Well, yeah, we got to wait for him. >> Answer. 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:24.960 >> There's so many ways to waste your money. Custom cables. >> Ooh, 00:04:22.320 --> 00:04:28.400 >> custom cables. That's pretty good. >> I would broaden cables into aesthetics. 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:31.919 I think that aesthetics is the thing that people spend the most money on and 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:37.120 most people have their computers tucked beneath their desk. >> That's a fair I agree with that one. 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:41.840 >> As much as I fully agree with you, I am also the person who will absolutely go 00:04:38.880 --> 00:04:46.080 and spend an extra $200 on RGB back plate, custom cables that match my bill, 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:50.880 extra RGB light strips. >> I'm in the school. I'm in like the Milford man type computer. Okay. A 00:04:49.280 --> 00:04:55.840 computer should be neither seen nor heard [laughter] >> like children. I agree with that. And I 00:04:54.400 --> 00:04:59.520 No, let's finish this. I have another one. >> Okay. You know what? No. If you guys are going to talk over each other, use the 00:04:58.479 --> 00:05:04.160 screwdriver. It's the talking screwdriver. >> Go first on. >> No, I want to hear David's point. 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:08.400 >> Oh, I What I think people waste the most money on in PC building is impatience. 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:12.000 They don't wait for the right deal. And it's like, unless you have a broken 00:05:10.080 --> 00:05:15.600 computer and you need that computer next week to do work, just wait for the 00:05:13.840 --> 00:05:19.199 sales, man. Like, and buy peace meal. Don't buy it all at once. Wait for there 00:05:16.880 --> 00:05:23.680 to be a motherboard and like RAM combo. Wait for there to be a C CPU and storage 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:28.000 combo. And you can save literally $1,000 on a $2,000 computer. Like you can save 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:32.240 so much money if you just wait a little bit. >> Yeah. Should I use an air cooler or an 00:05:31.440 --> 00:05:35.199 AIO? >> Oh, wait. [laughter] 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:41.039 >> Now, >> you're up first. >> This is really tough cuz I think that 00:05:38.960 --> 00:05:43.600 most people can use an AIO just fine. And they've gotten a lot more reliable 00:05:42.880 --> 00:05:48.960 >> and cheap >> and cheaper. But I don't think you can 00:05:46.400 --> 00:05:51.440 beat the reliability that is fan plus hunk of metal. So, I'm going to vote for 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:56.320 air cooler. >> I 100% agree with you >> for most people. >> Yes. Yeah, [snorts] 00:05:54.479 --> 00:05:59.759 >> especially with Thermalite being king recently, their prices on their air 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:03.039 coolers have come down so much. >> They also sell like a $50 AIO. 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:08.240 >> That's what I That's what I have. I have two of them. >> That's the thing. But the fact you can 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:10.960 also get a similar performing $20 dual like tower cooler. 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:15.360 >> And I'm confident that my air cooler will work in 15 years, whereas my AO, 00:06:13.280 --> 00:06:19.840 there's no way it's making it pass. No, >> the water will evaporate at some point 00:06:17.440 --> 00:06:24.000 slowly over time or the pump might fail. Going back to the long-term use of it, 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:27.199 companies like Noctua basically promise any sort of mounting as new sockets come 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:30.639 out, right? You can email them and be like, "Hey, I still have this cooler 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:33.600 with proof of purchase. Can I get the newest mount?" And they'll send you >> Don't have proof of purchase. It costs 00:06:33.039 --> 00:06:38.240 $7. >> I think we're all pretty much on the same page though about an air cooler. 00:06:36.400 --> 00:06:42.000 >> Get an air cooler if you're worried at all. >> Should I buy a good headset or surround 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:47.600 speakers? >> Oh, depends. >> I feel like this one might be a Linus 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:52.160 one. He's talked so much on WAN about how he misses like his 5.1 surround 00:06:49.840 --> 00:06:56.000 setup that he used to have. I still think because I live with my wife, I 00:06:54.400 --> 00:07:00.080 would get a headset. There's no way I could justify a surround experience 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:04.479 >> exact same dollar amount. What is our dollar amount? What is your living 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:08.479 situation? There is so many factors that decide what is better for your 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:12.319 situation. If I have to make a blanket statement for everyone, I think a 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:17.120 headset is more >> universally use useful. But I don't want 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:19.840 to make that statement. I'm I refuse. I'm surprised that this is even like the 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:24.000 comparison. I thought you were gonna say good headset plus or get a separate mic 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:28.319 and headphones. That's where I thought he was going. That's a great question, too. >> That's a bigger question to me because I 00:07:26.880 --> 00:07:32.960 think should you buy surround speakers for your computer? No. [laughter] 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:37.520 >> Stupid. Let's debate that other question cuz I think we're actually more interested in the minutia of that. I am 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:41.199 >> headset with mic built-in or headset and mic combo separately with unlimited 00:07:39.520 --> 00:07:45.520 budget. Of course, having separate devices is better. >> 100%. >> You have a $100 budget. Oh, okay. 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:48.880 Headset probably >> like the combo or like the 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:53.520 >> for 100 bucks. Yeah, because you're not going to get a decent pair of headphones and a decent mic for 100 bucks 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:56.879 >> if you're buying brand new kind of I I completely agree with you on that. I would 00:07:55.199 --> 00:08:01.840 >> cuz on top of that you have to contend with the fact that then you have to you deal with two devices which is either 00:07:59.840 --> 00:08:05.520 twice as many things to charge or twice as many wires. You have to deal with 00:08:03.840 --> 00:08:08.800 usually there's less convenient sound management like you have to manage your 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:11.759 mic. Often times your if it's a USB mic it's also an output. There's so much to 00:08:10.400 --> 00:08:17.599 deal with if it's on your desk and especially if it's cheap. It'll pick up all of your desk noise every single time 00:08:15.280 --> 00:08:22.000 you bump it. Whereas a headset mic might be lower quality overall in terms of 00:08:19.599 --> 00:08:25.520 your speech intelligibility. >> It's going to be less annoying to 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:29.595 everybody on the Discord call with you. >> Yeah, that's fair. I would rather just spend 100 bucks on headphones and 00:08:28.080 --> 00:08:34.240 pretend like I don't have friends. [laughter] >> That's 00:08:31.280 --> 00:08:39.279 headset versus speakers. I would think it's got to be a headset over surround. 00:08:36.560 --> 00:08:41.599 >> I refuse to answer. just too situational right in the middle. 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:44.560 >> So I agree with David. First question is not a comparison that's relevant to 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:49.440 anybody who normal. >> And then for the second question about should you get a combo headset mic or 00:08:48.560 --> 00:08:52.399 separate >> on a budget. >> On a budget, I think it's got to be 00:08:51.920 --> 00:08:57.839 combo. >> If you're as close to 99 as possible and you're not going used, the combo. 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:02.480 >> No, I think you should still go separate. Just get a crappy mic to start 00:08:59.760 --> 00:09:05.200 and then plan on investing in a $40 mic down the road. 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:09.200 >> Fair. The man preaches patience. >> What is a better investment? balling out 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:13.600 on a high-end system today or spreading out the same money over several small 00:09:11.040 --> 00:09:18.160 upgrades. I'm a believer in using your money economically. And there's such a 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:22.959 big point of diminishing returns and PC building that you should you should aim 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:27.440 for good enough today with smart upgrades that you know you're going to 00:09:24.560 --> 00:09:29.440 do in a couple years. >> I agree. 00:09:28.160 --> 00:09:34.000 >> Oh, I might be the only one that disagrees. Tell us why you disagree, 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:37.680 Elijah. My idea behind this is let's say it's $5,000 over five years. I don't 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:42.880 know that's a really top-of-the-line system. By the way, I think like if you're buying that good of a computer in 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:47.360 our current state of gaming and how it's been the last couple years, you're going 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:51.760 to be totally fine in that 5 years versus trying to get to that same 00:09:49.680 --> 00:09:56.640 performance by the time it's at that 5 year mark. >> I buy a $3,000 system right now and then 00:09:54.800 --> 00:10:01.440 I buy a $2,000 graphics card 5 years from now, I'm going to have a better system. Maybe it just depends on them 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:05.600 what your starting and end budget is, right? Cuz I think if you start with 00:10:02.560 --> 00:10:07.440 $1,000, I would totally agree on doing a 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:11.200 more upgrade path, right? >> I think it's tough cuz there's always a 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:15.440 little bit of like crystal balling and like I think that GPUs will be better 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:18.720 better value in 2 years. So, I'm going to plan for that to be the time that I 00:10:16.959 --> 00:10:21.760 upgrade my GPU. But, you never really know like something catastrophic can 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:26.320 happen in the world or things can change or someone has breakthrough technology and all of a sudden there's $250 00:10:24.880 --> 00:10:31.519 graphics cards that are really freaking good. And I feel like that's playing a dangerous gambling game in some elements 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:34.480 versus you know what you can get right now. This is what you can get. 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:38.320 >> Yeah, but what you can get right now sucks. >> I agree on that part. 00:10:36.560 --> 00:10:46.492 >> Let's reduce it from 5,000 cuz that's way more than >> go 2,000 total. $2,000. 00:10:42.079 --> 00:10:47.120 >> $1,000 PC, $1,000 of a index ETF. 00:10:46.492 --> 00:10:52.240 [laughter] Okay. And then >> honestly, >> and then sell that in two years. 00:10:50.800 --> 00:10:55.760 >> But then you have to pay taxes on the income you make. >> No, I put it in my TFSA. It's a tax 00:10:54.320 --> 00:11:00.560 sheltered account. Obviously say use my registered account. Elijah, [laughter] this is financial advice. 00:10:58.959 --> 00:11:05.920 >> No, no, no. >> I think again it comes down to situational, but I would agree for 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:09.279 probably most people. I would probably lean back towards you guys. And I would 00:11:08.079 --> 00:11:12.720 agree that doing the incremental upgrades is better >> for most people. 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:16.079 >> When you're buying crypto, you go you dollar cost average. Okay, dollar cost 00:11:14.640 --> 00:11:20.160 averaging. That's when you space out. That's why you even out your losses. Is 00:11:17.839 --> 00:11:25.279 ray tracing worth the FPS hit? Absolutely not. Ray tracing is yet to be 00:11:22.560 --> 00:11:29.920 an un is a still unproven technology. It is a perform worse button. Um half the 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:35.440 time unless you're using the ultra ray tracing settings, you're getting worse than the bakedin lighting. Uh that's 00:11:33.839 --> 00:11:38.399 true for the middle and below settings on Cyberpunk. It's true in Allen Wake 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:44.480 until you get to the really high settings which absolutely nuke your performance. ray tracing. It was a 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:48.959 solution looking for a problem that has been shoved down our throats by NVIDIA 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:53.360 and now everyone's doing it for some reason because it has been the hype thing and also NVIDIA is now a $5 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:56.880 trillion company. So if you just kind of you know work with NVIDIA then you get 00:11:55.040 --> 00:12:00.880 that NVIDIA money. Okay, so here's the thing. Okay. No, no, no. It's not okay. 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:04.800 It's not okay. Ray tracing sucks. >> Raid tracing is bad. They said, "What if 00:12:02.880 --> 00:12:08.160 we chose what if we just tried to make the most infinitely difficult thing to 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:10.880 compute and what if we made us do it now instead of rendering out like nor like 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:16.399 like everyone else?" Like they just chose an impossible task and then said, "Let's yeet hardware at it." And they 00:12:14.079 --> 00:12:19.920 failed for 10 years straight. I agree with the prompt and I disagree with you 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:24.079 guys. I think that it's on a per game basis. Metro Exodus, for example, 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:28.399 especially with their version that was done without raster and was entirely ray 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:32.320 trace. It looks incredible. depending on what FPS you're starting from. If we're 00:12:30.160 --> 00:12:36.160 going from 100 and I'm going down to 80 to enable ray trace lighting, I'll 00:12:34.959 --> 00:12:40.240 probably do that. >> Maybe I just have so much like pentup hatred because also like ray tracing 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:44.480 when they called it ray tracing they're like well it's not actually path tracing. Path tracing is a different thing. I was like it wasn't ray tracing 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:47.760 in the first place cuz ray tracing is path tracing. Okay, so when they just 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:52.639 they just lied the whole time. They lied the whole time. It's like how no it's not okay. Do you know what what how big 00:12:51.040 --> 00:12:57.360 is the transistor in your CPU? >> It's not on a 5n process. That's all 00:12:54.560 --> 00:13:00.079 I think most of us say that it is not worth [laughter] the FPS. 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:04.800 >> Not worth it. >> Except for Plof. He thinks it's worth it. >> Depending on the game. 00:13:02.880 --> 00:13:06.320 >> Oh, this one's definitely a Linus one. It's definitely more of an opinion 00:13:05.920 --> 00:13:11.600 piece. >> Oh, boy. >> Is ad block piracy? 00:13:08.959 --> 00:13:14.160 >> Yeah. Okay. The problem with the premise in this discussion? 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:17.120 >> Well, I I asked a lot. >> No, I asked the question. I'm supposed 00:13:15.680 --> 00:13:21.200 to go. You're right. You're right. Thank you. Talking screwdriver. ltstore.com. 00:13:19.760 --> 00:13:26.959 I'm I'm just I'm hearing everyone getting ready to type on their keyboards at home right now. At its core, yes, ad 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:30.320 block is piracy. >> I agree. 00:13:28.800 --> 00:13:33.200 >> Do I do it and I'm a pirate? Yes. >> Yo. Yeah. I'm not saying I don't, but 00:13:31.920 --> 00:13:36.079 it's 100% piracy. >> I think it is. Yeah. >> You want to say something? I'll let you 00:13:35.680 --> 00:13:42.079 go. >> The problem is, how do we define piracy? And like we could sit here and debate 00:13:39.680 --> 00:13:46.800 the the minutia of what that means. And we could define it to have it be that 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:50.959 Adblock is piracy one way or we could define it that it's not. And I think that like 00:13:48.880 --> 00:13:55.200 >> the question the real problem people had is that they thought Lionus was like 00:13:52.959 --> 00:13:59.440 attacking the morality and I don't think that's what he was doing. And I think 00:13:57.040 --> 00:14:04.079 that like piracy is totally fine. And like there's nothing wrong if you want 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:06.800 to pirate. I pirate a ton. Uh like we all do 00:14:04.560 --> 00:14:10.880 >> for legal reasons. No one here does. >> So I disagree. 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:14.720 >> Uh mainly because it makes the discussion more interesting. [laughter] 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:20.079 >> I think the whole the whole thing ad block is piracy is a packaging issue. However, my my thought is that you're 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:24.240 not enriching the artists who are providing you with free art. You are 00:14:21.680 --> 00:14:28.000 enriching the platform, right? The thing that you are stealing is not the this is 00:14:26.560 --> 00:14:32.639 where people get mad about it because when you think about it, the thing that you're stealing is the data 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:35.120 >> because that's what costs money for the platform. 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:41.360 >> You're not stealing the art because it's already being streamed and available. >> Yeah. But that's like such a a narrow 00:14:38.560 --> 00:14:46.240 argument because the platform is what provides the data in terms of like what 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:50.399 we measure our success on. I mean, if we saw recently with Lionus talked about 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:54.480 this on the WAN with how many people use Ad Blocker, we saw our views take a dip 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:58.240 because people are using it so much, right? When ad blocker actually made a 00:14:56.160 --> 00:15:02.800 change recently that was affecting how views were counted on YouTube. And if 00:15:00.560 --> 00:15:06.800 you were to extrapolate that into what our normal ratio is and try to 00:15:04.959 --> 00:15:10.480 extrapolate revenue, not even just for us, but other creators that are out 00:15:08.160 --> 00:15:14.399 there on the platform, it's not just stealing from YouTube cuz you big bad 00:15:12.560 --> 00:15:17.680 YouTube company. you are actually harming creators. But I think in terms 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:22.240 of this argument, we're going to break it back down to its core. It is piracy 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:25.760 using ad blocker. I still think it is piracy. >> I think it's a not it's not piracy. It's 00:15:24.560 --> 00:15:28.880 a packaging error. I think it harms creators. I think it harms the platform. 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:31.519 But I also think that they've dug their own hole. It's the same thing you're saying. 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:35.440 >> It's a service issue. >> We need David's vote. >> David convinced me to pay for YouTube 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:38.240 Premium. [laughter] >> He did. >> It's the one thing that's worth paying 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:42.800 for. >> Is ad block piracy? >> It's piracy, but it's totally fine to do 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:46.079 it. There is nothing wrong with doing it. >> I actually recommend it. >> I recommend it. 00:15:44.959 --> 00:15:50.160 >> Safety on the internet. >> Yep. We are supporting you for doing it. 00:15:48.560 --> 00:15:54.480 >> When is the best time to upgrade your computer? There's no best time when you 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:58.800 have the money or when you need to. >> Yeah. >> Uh if we want something that's more 00:15:56.079 --> 00:16:04.720 practical like when in during the year. >> Oh, you should buy hard. uh back to 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:07.600 school sales, Cyber Monday, and then 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:11.279 usually assuming everything's in stock >> when the next gen launches, buying old 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:14.320 gen stuff drops pretty quickly. >> Huge. >> So, like mid-spring, late summer is 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:19.040 always kind of a good thing. >> I agree with all that. I think overall, it's safe to say that we all agreed on 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:23.440 some things, gave different answers for others, and I think that's why it's super important whenever you're looking 00:16:21.839 --> 00:16:27.279 or have a question, you should do research. Find multiple videos by 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:31.040 different creators. 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