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I just paid $300 us for this chunk

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machine from 13 years ago which is pretty good for an indestructible laptop

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indestructible you

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say you know what challenge accepted but

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before we test Keith's claims there's legitimately a lot to love about these

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things they're rated to withstand rain heat humidity freezing temperatures gild

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force winds and even gravity at least from a limited height

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and specifically when dropped onto a 2in thick piece of plywood which strangely

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specific if you think about it and also raises some interesting questions if

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these tests from the military standards

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test methods are so prescriptive do they

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really translate into better Real World durability and since they're strictly

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pass fail tests what kind of nonbreaking

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damage might occur to the device as we approach its limits can it surpass the

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testing limits in any major way while still being able to function well enough

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to open a Word document or a game or the

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with the market and as it turns out Keith was right that there are

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Industries where people still love these machines and will pay dearly to replace

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them like construction law enforcement and agriculture which makes a ton of

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sense if you think about it if you only need a laptop that's powerful enough to

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do word processing small spreadsheets or

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basic web browsing your primary concern isn't going to be how many gigz it has

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but rather its ability to survive but

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how do we quantify who makes the most durable machine I mean you could just

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buy computers from everyone give them hell and see what happens but developing

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a consistent test methodology for that would be timec consuming expensive and

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completely unnecessary when the US military already did it for you given

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their tendency to use equipment in a variety of less than ideal conditions in

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1962 the United States Air Force released the first version of military

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standard 810 environmental test methods

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for Aerospace and ground equipment the purpose was on its face simple create

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tests that ensure that devices will continue to function in the same

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environments where soldiers can function and were applicable make sure that they

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and the soldiers who rely on them won't blow up but that focused purpose has

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left some let's call them gaps in the methodology while mil standard 81 does

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encourage tailoring and it includes guidance to modify each test situation

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to make it more appropriate for the device and your use case it does still

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include guidelines that could make it easier for a less than robust product to

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pass take the drop test as an example of this it specifies that a device must be

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able to survive Falls of four five and six feet why do you guys think I needed

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a ladder to drop something from 6 feet okay it doesn't matter the point is that

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seems reasonable on the surface except that every drop gets done onto plywood

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that is exactly 2 in thick placed on top of

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concrete which is extremely specific and

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while it's supposed to be dropped 26 times at each height up to five samples

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can be used and those same five samples

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do not have to be used at each height of the drop test that means you get up to

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15 Mulligans across 78 total drops

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meaning with some RNG luck you could have them break almost every five drops

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and still pass the spec as for our unit

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you can see it's still working after multiple takes of our 4-foot drop and to

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their credit Panasonic states that they use the same single unit for all 78

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drops time to drive 5

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ft but it's important to keep in mind

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that like other tests in the standard this is meant to and I quote provide a

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degree of confidence that the device can

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physically and functionally withstand the relatively infrequent non-repetitive

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shocks encountered in handling transportation and service environments

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uh Von can i b you for a sec so here hold on I actually have to open this's

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up have a look oh so in other words what I'm trying to

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say is it's not an invitation to use dropping your laptop down the stairs as

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a party trick Jesus scared me feel kind

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of bad giving her without even closing the lid but hey you don't pick when your

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laptop Falls uh stylus took the Brun to that one but the machine

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itself pretty much unscathed in other words these tests are designed to ensure

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that the item should work in the normal day-to-day operating conditions of the

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US Military and nothing more than that which has led to a significant amount of

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consumer confusion because these mil standard 810 tests have been used to

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tack dubious military grade will never

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fail marketing jargon onto everything from disappearing fighter jets to

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tacticool sunglasses and it gives people the wrong idea I mean some of the tests

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like the low temperature one that's running behind me only go down to -10° F

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about- 23 in real units which is warmer

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than the annual coldest day experienced at the military base in Min not North

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Dakota and warmer than a lot of days here in Canada now nonoperating tests

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are run at lower temperatures down to -60 fah but that doesn't validate that

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your system's going to work in a cow it only validates that it won't break in

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storage if you decide to keep it in your cryogenic freezer overnight how do you

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know it's cold uh I don't know uh maybe

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tou your T to it oh that'd be funny no don't do it don't do

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it didn't stick you can definitely tell she's cold

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though let's get a closeup of just showing the uh the touchscreen similarly

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the humidity test is fantastic if you want to make sure that a laptop will

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survive hot dank environments but as a

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non-operational test it won't actually tell you if you can build a spreadsheet

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in the Amazon rainforest it only tests if it can survive being stored at 95%

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relative humidity cycled between 86 and

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140° F or 30 to 60 C it doesn't check if

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it can survive being used there did ours

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pass one sec

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should be pretty tropical in here woo oh

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it stinks I love this power

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button oh yeah I mean wasn't in there

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very long and that's not nearly as

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challenging as our next test okay so now we can set it to 60 look at that CPU is

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running at 77° playing back crab Rave and we're not

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even close to maximum temperatures yet and there it is given the way modern

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Electronics struggle even at room temperature I wouldn't be surprised if

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this thing is turned off I actually can't see it from here oh that's hot wow no way not only

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is she totally fine other than being pretty warm to the touch but it only

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went up another 6° so I guess those fans

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are just working wait there are no

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fans how does it cool this thing impressive now as a foreign civilian I'm

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not going to pass judgment on the process or the exact state of things at

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the moment but I do think it is fair to say that part of the reason for this

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inconsistency is that the standards documentation has ballooned to more than

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a thousand pages over the years as additional things get tacked on and if

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you want to know how or why certain tests were decided on you need to read

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an additional 200 plus pages from Herbert Eggbert's book the history and

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rationale of Mill standard 810 with a

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riveting title like that you know it's going to be a real page Turner anyway

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Keith has gotten to be right A lot of times in this video so

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far frankly I'm tired of it so I think

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it's time to go full smooth grain and prove that if we ditch the scientific

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testing and Go full unscientific this can in fact be

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destroyed here we go no no no I need 2 Ines of plywood we're not barbaran Ian

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here let's try 6t though the limits of the test

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spec oh that's hard to watch hey something popped off SD card slot PCM St

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really let's do it again totally fine how about with some

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Pizzazz oh no the strap nope not broken

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let's push it further how about 8 ft oh

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oh look at this crater in the plywood oh

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it was the other half of the stylus that was still stuck in the machine it's

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clear that gravity is not going to get us there how about our friend

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H2O ah oh the plumbing is everywhere how

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about some mood music wow we're losing

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so much okay well it doesn't matter the

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point is it's getting very wet with an ip65 water and dust resistance rating I

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wouldn't expect it to survive being fully submerged but I also wasn't really

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expecting it to just shrug off showers like this without skipping a bead oh

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know

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got to get the water out of the speaker so we can hear crab raay better this is

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amazing I hate the resistive trackpad when I'm just using it normally but when

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the thing's wet and the trackpad still works that's freaking awesome I know

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what the problem is it's got beefed up water Elemental resistance well I think

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we all know how to solve

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that yeah that's more like it

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wait oh no that's not even part of the mill standard we need to put it out

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quick the mud get it in the

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mud surely you guys knew this video was going to go off the rails at some point

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right I did not think this one oh my God is it still

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playing um did we get it oh my God the

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trackpad even works right now are you seeing this oh we melted the keyboard a

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little bit that may have been an error I think I know how to fix that if the

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opposite of water is fire then the opposite of fire is also

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water this will undo everything we just did

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surely oh yeah I mean that's good for the plumbing right ah oh it's hot is hot

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water closer to water or fire pristine

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here you go buddy are the speakers dead

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though this melted keyboard still

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Works look at it I've got to go I have badminton training in 15 minutes we need

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some more ideas oh wait I forgot we're not barbarians got to be on

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to 3 in of

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plywood boom stop come

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on all right we lost a

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battery stop you did not I may not have

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time to solve this right now I've got to

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go what the crap does this keyboard

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still work I went right over the

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keyboard stop it are you kidding me I got places to

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be did I get

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it

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she's finally dead sort of I only

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managed to kill the screen we'll figure that out tomorrow in the meantime I

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really do need to go uh here

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catch don't you hate it when that happens I completely misread the time

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I'm not due there for an hour let's find out if this thing works

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okay oh no no way I saw that screen flicker when I plugged in the display no

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it still works

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stop does that count it's still a functional computer dang it I have an

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idea let's put that I was about to say Dropout

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education to use that's what this hoodie that

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sweatsuit is called the Dropout lttu and then I dropped the thing doesn't matter

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the point is grab some goggles oh I got it well that was quick

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wait

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no that did

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nothing oh do you want to get a closeup for mine yeah go for

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it oh that one turns it off wait did we

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get

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it okay oh yeah she's dead oh she's quite

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um Smiley now so there Keith

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indestructible I think Not In fairness to him though it took a lot more effort

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to destroy this thing than even the military standards test for and when we

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asked our delre about any interesting stories that they might have around

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their rugged line of laptops they shared these photos with us of a Dell Latitude

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rugged extreme from a police cruiser that was shot with a rifle during a

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high-speed Pursuit I wouldn't call it bulletproof but it's certainly bullet

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resistant so if you're in the market for a laptop

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that can withstand the elements is it worth looking at how it fared in the

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military standards tests the answer is

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yes but also only sort of see it's not

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necessary for companies to use independent testing before they make

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claims of military grade endurance but

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many rugged device manufacturers not only do get their claims tested

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independently they also often publish the final results and post videos of the

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procedures and I mean why shouldn't they right if you're selling durability a

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video of your laptop being pelted with sand or dropped by a robot ARM might

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just lead to a sale or thousands of sales just make sure that if you're

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shopping for something like this probably in a procurement Department you

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are looking into the actual testing being done the takeaway then isn't that

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rugged laptops are weaker than they appear clearly but rather that the

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current standards of testing don't ensure a fair playing field for all of

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