WEBVTT 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:06.400 this CPU right here the AMD athlon 3000g 00:00:03.360 --> 00:00:08.320 costs just 50 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:12.320 i mean let's put that in perspective that's like a night at the movies and 00:00:10.559 --> 00:00:18.400 you might not even both get your own popcorn and drink i mean for that little 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:19.199 money how good could it possibly be 00:00:18.400 --> 00:00:24.240 well Intel actually also has a CPU that's 00:00:22.240 --> 00:00:29.599 just 65 that on paper looks pretty comparable 00:00:26.720 --> 00:00:36.000 but the athlon 3000g has a trick up its sleeve an unlocked multiplier so today's 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:41.680 plan is to overclock the snot out of this thing and see just how badly it can 00:00:39.040 --> 00:00:45.920 shred Intel's equivalent then take a look at what you're giving up compared 00:00:43.760 --> 00:00:51.920 to what we would consider to be the best bang for the buck chip on the market the 00:00:48.079 --> 00:00:53.360 AMD ryzen 5 3600. what's going in and 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:57.039 out of your pc when you're connected to the internet find out with glasswire and 00:00:55.520 --> 00:01:02.350 see if there are any suspicious apps that are behaving badly use offer code 00:00:58.879 --> 00:01:07.299 Linus to get 25 off at the link below 00:01:10.240 --> 00:01:15.280 all right so in front of me right here 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:22.159 in front of me right here are two systems this one with the athlon 3000g 00:01:18.479 --> 00:01:24.240 and this one with the pentium g4560 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:30.320 a budget CPU that was pretty awesome when it first came out 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:32.640 two years ago but i think uh might have 00:01:30.320 --> 00:01:37.840 had its super budget reign come to an end by this point right i'm supposed to 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:42.159 do a cinebench r20 drag race so i will come back around to this side ready and 00:01:39.520 --> 00:01:45.280 one two three can he operate two mice at the same time 00:01:43.759 --> 00:01:48.799 yes he can honestly guys is it just me or is this 00:01:46.960 --> 00:01:53.759 like watching a race between like a yaris and a honda fit 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:59.840 neither of them is fast this is fascinating our AMD chip has actually 00:01:55.840 --> 00:02:01.920 been behind Intel for most of this race 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:05.840 but it seems to be making up ground and i think AMD has come out into the lead 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:09.599 to be clear guys i'm not hating on cheap processors there's a time and a place 00:02:07.360 --> 00:02:12.959 for every CPU at every budget it's just that 00:02:10.720 --> 00:02:17.120 the time and place is not now and not cinebench r20 for 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:20.800 these kinds of chips in a stunning turn of events our Intel bench is now out 00:02:18.959 --> 00:02:27.720 ahead again i was not expecting this to be so exciting 00:02:23.440 --> 00:02:30.480 and Intel finishes first with a whopping 00:02:27.720 --> 00:02:35.680 841 points so that's not what we expected but this is its stock 00:02:33.519 --> 00:02:41.120 and this one can be overclocked so i still think our argument that this one's 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:43.519 a better value it's also 15 cheaper 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:48.160 uh should be fine yep here are the basics of the athlon 3000g 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:52.959 with this chip you're getting two cores and four threads that run at a base 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:55.840 clock of 3.5 gigahertz and there is no 00:02:52.959 --> 00:03:02.000 boosting what you see is what you get 3.5 gs it also comes with Radeon vega 3 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:06.239 graphics though and given that AMD has been pretty good at equipping their cpus 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:11.040 with decent onboard graphics over the years i feel like it's worth taking a 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:16.959 look at what kind of a gaming experience you might expect out of nothing but what 00:03:13.920 --> 00:03:19.280 you see here just a CPU single stick of 00:03:16.959 --> 00:03:23.599 RAM remember this is a budget system where upgrade path might be more 00:03:21.200 --> 00:03:28.879 important than raw performance today and no graphics card whatsoever 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:33.120 so running here is rainbow six siege a five-year-old game that is pretty darn 00:03:30.959 --> 00:03:37.920 easy to run by modern standards we're at 1080p on low settings and 00:03:39.200 --> 00:03:45.200 oops that should give you some idea why we're going to be using a dedicated 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:50.959 graphics card for our testing because even a budget gaming rig is 00:03:48.799 --> 00:03:54.400 still probably gonna want to run a little better than that once again 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:59.599 though guys i'm not hating on budget rigs i'm just saying if you're gonna do 00:03:56.080 --> 00:04:02.000 it do it smart so ignoring dumb things 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:06.560 like that we're using trident z royal memory it's just running at low speeds 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:10.879 to simulate cheap memory this rig is about 300 assuming that you picked up 00:04:08.959 --> 00:04:15.519 like a budget case and power supply and built a full system around it for just 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:20.880 another fifty dollars you could pick up a ryzen 3 3200g 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:26.840 that has double the cores of the 3000g and vega 8 graphics with 512 graphics 00:04:24.400 --> 00:04:34.479 pipelines compared to the vega 3's 192. for just 50 more that is a lot more 00:04:31.919 --> 00:04:38.320 performance if all you need is onboard memory for the basics 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:42.880 however you guys might have noticed we did not in fact switch to a 3200g even 00:04:41.440 --> 00:04:47.520 though it's a better value if you're running onboard graphics 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:52.720 that's because we think a particularly interesting config could be the cheapest 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:58.639 possible CPU here with 00:04:53.919 --> 00:05:01.199 a GPU like the 1650 super from NVIDIA 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:06.479 most games especially esports ones or older ones don't need a ton of processor 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:11.600 course so we suspect that with the right sort of 00:05:09.039 --> 00:05:17.440 value combination here we might be able to get near the performance of a CPU 00:05:14.320 --> 00:05:20.880 that costs darn near four times as much 00:05:17.440 --> 00:05:22.960 something like a ryzen 5 2600 especially 00:05:20.880 --> 00:05:28.639 if we can get a decent overclock out of it so let's go ahead and fire this puppy 00:05:25.919 --> 00:05:32.639 back up wow this is already a good sign at least 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:36.840 at least the menu runs smoothly so what settings would you recommend hi 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:42.000 hi all right apply let's hit the benchmark 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:47.759 and who knew adding a graphics card to your gaming system gives you better 00:05:44.320 --> 00:05:51.160 performance so instead of around 20 FPS 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:55.039 all low we're now running let's see 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:57.520 130 FPS average and this is on high 00:05:55.039 --> 00:06:02.080 details instead of low but what i'm about to find out is how this graphics 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:06.800 card ran with what we think is arguably the best bang for the buck CPU on the 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:10.000 market the ryzen 5 3600 how'd that do 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:11.120 yeah 192. so we have some ground to make 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:17.039 up okay that's fine we can do that we haven't 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:20.639 even started overclocking yet 60fps not hard 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:24.319 here we go the right way to overclock is to slowly increase your frequency and 00:06:22.479 --> 00:06:28.960 voltage until you run into thermal limits then back it off etc etc etc 00:06:26.479 --> 00:06:33.440 stability and such and so forth we're just gonna go full hail mary so we're 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:38.880 gonna assume that our cheap RAM can do 26 66 megahertz overclocked without too 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:42.800 much trouble that should be doable uh we're going to try and hit four 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:47.280 gigahertz we're going to pump it to 1.3 volts and we're going to do an soc 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:49.840 voltage of 1.2 and just kind of see what happens 00:06:50.080 --> 00:06:58.080 well it's not a blue screen it's also not booting one thing to note 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:59.520 is that this is like a 75 motherboard 00:06:58.080 --> 00:07:03.599 if you had a 300 motherboard you could probably 00:07:01.919 --> 00:07:11.440 push this further but oh is that working 00:07:07.599 --> 00:07:11.440 that would be pretty stupid though yeah 00:07:11.599 --> 00:07:17.680 well we can try 1.4 volts and see what happens i mean the thing is guys with a 00:07:15.520 --> 00:07:22.800 cheap chip i'm not saying 50 isn't a lot of money i'm saying that usually they're 00:07:19.919 --> 00:07:25.360 not gonna die like immediately so by the time it actually dies and it's time to 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:31.680 replace it a 50 CPU brand new on the used and now 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:36.880 out of date market is probably not very much so i tend to be a little bit more 00:07:35.280 --> 00:07:40.479 comfortable pushing lower end hardware to its 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:43.840 breaking point well the anti-malware stuff and things start up when you start 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:48.080 the computer everything just chugs yup 00:07:46.960 --> 00:07:52.479 what he said the good news is that 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:57.199 we're booted at okay it's not four gigahertz but it's 3.9 gigahertz and 00:07:54.879 --> 00:08:00.720 2400 megahertz RAM so let's see how much additional performance that ended up 00:07:58.960 --> 00:08:06.160 being worth i'm not gonna have task manager running in the background 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:11.199 hey it uses like 1 CPU on something like mid-range to high-end sometimes and it's 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:14.960 stable enough to run the benchmark but honestly speaking guys my expectations 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:20.720 are pretty low right now we only managed an 11 overclock going from 3.5 to 3.9 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:24.720 gigahertz and the difference in performance that we're trying to make up 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:28.800 is more like what thirty percent 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:33.440 it's quite a bit more now the good news is that we're obviously heavily CPU 00:08:31.440 --> 00:08:36.719 bound our GPU will be able to suck up any extra 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:41.760 performance it can get so you know who knows maybe it'll 00:08:39.599 --> 00:08:46.480 scale even better than linearly but i would not expect that 00:08:43.880 --> 00:08:51.839 139.9 that was barely an improvement okay so yeah not a lot better it looks 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:55.920 like in rainbow six siege anyway the difference in performance might have 00:08:53.600 --> 00:09:00.000 really come about from the extra course in the first place i mean okay in 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:06.480 fairness though you know 72 minimum 139 average like 00:09:04.560 --> 00:09:10.480 that is very playable and you could rock this for like two 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:14.399 three years and then once you've saved up or once they get 00:09:12.959 --> 00:09:17.680 cheap on the used market which i mentioned before 00:09:16.160 --> 00:09:21.200 you pick up one of these bippidybopty off to the races should we do a sanity 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:24.560 check run one more game uh yeah all right i was really hoping 00:09:22.880 --> 00:09:29.519 that it would overclock a bit more than it has i mean i don't think another 100 00:09:27.040 --> 00:09:33.279 megahertz was gonna make a difference i wonder if being able to get the RAM a 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:36.480 bit higher would make a big difference possibly 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:40.640 um i don't think that's realistic for a budget system though you know and that's 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:44.880 actually running reasonably smooth i'm definitely seeing some small 00:09:42.640 --> 00:09:49.200 stutteriness that would be explained by some relatively high frame times even 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:56.399 though the average FPS is in the 30 to 40 range so far um but this is what 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:58.720 settings are we at so we're at 1080p 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:05.040 um and what's the score to beat 78 FPS with a minimum of 60. we're not 00:10:03.040 --> 00:10:08.720 getting there yeah i know all right let's see how this goes 00:10:06.800 --> 00:10:12.480 and you can really see particularly in panning or moving shots that the 00:10:10.800 --> 00:10:16.480 motion's not smooth like some of the frames are being delivered much faster 00:10:14.160 --> 00:10:21.519 than others and that can easily be caused by a CPU bottleneck 28 minimum 48 00:10:19.920 --> 00:10:25.839 average yeah even overclocked it didn't hold up 00:10:23.760 --> 00:10:31.920 and up until this point we've ignored that the ryzen 5 3600 can 00:10:28.880 --> 00:10:33.920 also be overclocked so the 3600 still 00:10:31.920 --> 00:10:37.440 looks like a terrific value because remember guys when you calculate the 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:42.160 value of an individual component you don't just take it in isolation so you 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:46.560 can't say this costs four times as much as a 3000 g therefore it should perform 00:10:44.640 --> 00:10:51.519 four times better you've got to look at the price of the system so this system 00:10:48.959 --> 00:10:57.600 right now is 450 if we spent another 150 on our CPU that 00:10:54.560 --> 00:10:59.839 would put it at 600 but that's only a 30 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:04.560 increase in our budget for what would be more than a 30 increase in performance 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:10.000 that's why at the end of the day the lesson is and continues to be 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:15.519 build yourself a balanced system because that is how you get the best bang for 00:11:12.640 --> 00:11:19.120 your buck i'm a little disappointed well do we want to try and push it 00:11:16.959 --> 00:11:23.600 further like we do have a chiller we do have really good motherboards but the 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:28.480 problem is that what at best we're going to get another 100 200 300 megahertz i 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:32.560 think the ultimate lesson here is that unless you're on an extreme budget 00:11:30.560 --> 00:11:37.839 playing much older games or you just need basic office functionality 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:42.079 the age of multi-core processors rather than dual core processors is absolutely 00:11:40.079 --> 00:11:46.560 upon us yeah i mean we even went out of our way to make sure that there's no 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:50.160 Windows or steam update you know nonsense running in the background and 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:54.399 this was still the best we could do yeah it's not ideal 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:58.959 so i would spend the extra for the 3200 g if i was doing like an extreme budget 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:04.079 station and then i would i would wait and do my graphics upgrade later or 00:12:00.880 --> 00:12:05.920 something like that or buy it used or 00:12:04.079 --> 00:12:09.680 i would just go for something like a 3600 in the first place 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:15.760 speaking of things i would go for in the first place this segue to 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:20.959 our sponsor the manscape perfect package 2.0 kit includes their lawnmower 2.0 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:26.079 body trimmer it's waterproof tsa and travel friendly usb rechargeable and 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:30.720 it's cordless it's got proprietary skin safe technology so it won't nick or snag 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:34.399 your nuts and manscaping accidents can finally be a 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:38.399 thing of the past they've also got the crop preserver an 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