this CPU right here the AMD athlon 3000g
costs just 50
i mean let's put that in perspective that's like a night at the movies and
you might not even both get your own popcorn and drink i mean for that little
money how good could it possibly be
well Intel actually also has a CPU that's
just 65 that on paper looks pretty comparable
but the athlon 3000g has a trick up its sleeve an unlocked multiplier so today's
plan is to overclock the snot out of this thing and see just how badly it can
shred Intel's equivalent then take a look at what you're giving up compared
to what we would consider to be the best bang for the buck chip on the market the
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all right so in front of me right here
in front of me right here are two systems this one with the athlon 3000g
and this one with the pentium g4560
a budget CPU that was pretty awesome when it first came out
two years ago but i think uh might have
had its super budget reign come to an end by this point right i'm supposed to
do a cinebench r20 drag race so i will come back around to this side ready and
one two three can he operate two mice at the same time
yes he can honestly guys is it just me or is this
like watching a race between like a yaris and a honda fit
neither of them is fast this is fascinating our AMD chip has actually
been behind Intel for most of this race
but it seems to be making up ground and i think AMD has come out into the lead
to be clear guys i'm not hating on cheap processors there's a time and a place
for every CPU at every budget it's just that
the time and place is not now and not cinebench r20 for
these kinds of chips in a stunning turn of events our Intel bench is now out
ahead again i was not expecting this to be so exciting
and Intel finishes first with a whopping
841 points so that's not what we expected but this is its stock
and this one can be overclocked so i still think our argument that this one's
a better value it's also 15 cheaper
uh should be fine yep here are the basics of the athlon 3000g
with this chip you're getting two cores and four threads that run at a base
clock of 3.5 gigahertz and there is no
boosting what you see is what you get 3.5 gs it also comes with Radeon vega 3
graphics though and given that AMD has been pretty good at equipping their cpus
with decent onboard graphics over the years i feel like it's worth taking a
look at what kind of a gaming experience you might expect out of nothing but what
you see here just a CPU single stick of
RAM remember this is a budget system where upgrade path might be more
important than raw performance today and no graphics card whatsoever
so running here is rainbow six siege a five-year-old game that is pretty darn
easy to run by modern standards we're at 1080p on low settings and
oops that should give you some idea why we're going to be using a dedicated
graphics card for our testing because even a budget gaming rig is
still probably gonna want to run a little better than that once again
though guys i'm not hating on budget rigs i'm just saying if you're gonna do
it do it smart so ignoring dumb things
like that we're using trident z royal memory it's just running at low speeds
to simulate cheap memory this rig is about 300 assuming that you picked up
like a budget case and power supply and built a full system around it for just
another fifty dollars you could pick up a ryzen 3 3200g
that has double the cores of the 3000g and vega 8 graphics with 512 graphics
pipelines compared to the vega 3's 192. for just 50 more that is a lot more
performance if all you need is onboard memory for the basics
however you guys might have noticed we did not in fact switch to a 3200g even
though it's a better value if you're running onboard graphics
that's because we think a particularly interesting config could be the cheapest
possible CPU here with
a GPU like the 1650 super from NVIDIA
most games especially esports ones or older ones don't need a ton of processor
course so we suspect that with the right sort of
value combination here we might be able to get near the performance of a CPU
that costs darn near four times as much
something like a ryzen 5 2600 especially
if we can get a decent overclock out of it so let's go ahead and fire this puppy
back up wow this is already a good sign at least
at least the menu runs smoothly so what settings would you recommend hi
hi all right apply let's hit the benchmark
and who knew adding a graphics card to your gaming system gives you better
performance so instead of around 20 FPS
all low we're now running let's see
130 FPS average and this is on high
details instead of low but what i'm about to find out is how this graphics
card ran with what we think is arguably the best bang for the buck CPU on the
market the ryzen 5 3600 how'd that do
yeah 192. so we have some ground to make
up okay that's fine we can do that we haven't
even started overclocking yet 60fps not hard
here we go the right way to overclock is to slowly increase your frequency and
voltage until you run into thermal limits then back it off etc etc etc
stability and such and so forth we're just gonna go full hail mary so we're
gonna assume that our cheap RAM can do 26 66 megahertz overclocked without too
much trouble that should be doable uh we're going to try and hit four
gigahertz we're going to pump it to 1.3 volts and we're going to do an soc
voltage of 1.2 and just kind of see what happens
well it's not a blue screen it's also not booting one thing to note
is that this is like a 75 motherboard
if you had a 300 motherboard you could probably
push this further but oh is that working
that would be pretty stupid though yeah
well we can try 1.4 volts and see what happens i mean the thing is guys with a
cheap chip i'm not saying 50 isn't a lot of money i'm saying that usually they're
not gonna die like immediately so by the time it actually dies and it's time to
replace it a 50 CPU brand new on the used and now
out of date market is probably not very much so i tend to be a little bit more
comfortable pushing lower end hardware to its
breaking point well the anti-malware stuff and things start up when you start
the computer everything just chugs yup
what he said the good news is that
we're booted at okay it's not four gigahertz but it's 3.9 gigahertz and
2400 megahertz RAM so let's see how much additional performance that ended up
being worth i'm not gonna have task manager running in the background
hey it uses like 1 CPU on something like mid-range to high-end sometimes and it's
stable enough to run the benchmark but honestly speaking guys my expectations
are pretty low right now we only managed an 11 overclock going from 3.5 to 3.9
gigahertz and the difference in performance that we're trying to make up
is more like what thirty percent
it's quite a bit more now the good news is that we're obviously heavily CPU
bound our GPU will be able to suck up any extra
performance it can get so you know who knows maybe it'll
scale even better than linearly but i would not expect that
139.9 that was barely an improvement okay so yeah not a lot better it looks
like in rainbow six siege anyway the difference in performance might have
really come about from the extra course in the first place i mean okay in
fairness though you know 72 minimum 139 average like
that is very playable and you could rock this for like two
three years and then once you've saved up or once they get
cheap on the used market which i mentioned before
you pick up one of these bippidybopty off to the races should we do a sanity
check run one more game uh yeah all right i was really hoping
that it would overclock a bit more than it has i mean i don't think another 100
megahertz was gonna make a difference i wonder if being able to get the RAM a
bit higher would make a big difference possibly
um i don't think that's realistic for a budget system though you know and that's
actually running reasonably smooth i'm definitely seeing some small
stutteriness that would be explained by some relatively high frame times even
though the average FPS is in the 30 to 40 range so far um but this is what
settings are we at so we're at 1080p
um and what's the score to beat 78 FPS with a minimum of 60. we're not
getting there yeah i know all right let's see how this goes
and you can really see particularly in panning or moving shots that the
motion's not smooth like some of the frames are being delivered much faster
than others and that can easily be caused by a CPU bottleneck 28 minimum 48
average yeah even overclocked it didn't hold up
and up until this point we've ignored that the ryzen 5 3600 can
also be overclocked so the 3600 still
looks like a terrific value because remember guys when you calculate the
value of an individual component you don't just take it in isolation so you
can't say this costs four times as much as a 3000 g therefore it should perform
four times better you've got to look at the price of the system so this system
right now is 450 if we spent another 150 on our CPU that
would put it at 600 but that's only a 30
increase in our budget for what would be more than a 30 increase in performance
that's why at the end of the day the lesson is and continues to be
build yourself a balanced system because that is how you get the best bang for
your buck i'm a little disappointed well do we want to try and push it
further like we do have a chiller we do have really good motherboards but the
problem is that what at best we're going to get another 100 200 300 megahertz i
think the ultimate lesson here is that unless you're on an extreme budget
playing much older games or you just need basic office functionality
the age of multi-core processors rather than dual core processors is absolutely
upon us yeah i mean we even went out of our way to make sure that there's no
Windows or steam update you know nonsense running in the background and
this was still the best we could do yeah it's not ideal
so i would spend the extra for the 3200 g if i was doing like an extreme budget
station and then i would i would wait and do my graphics upgrade later or
something like that or buy it used or
i would just go for something like a 3600 in the first place
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