{"video_id":"I0U6ZMeVrB4","title":"A REAL 64 Core CPU - For SCIENCE!","channel":"Linus Tech Tips","show":"Linus Tech Tips","published_at":"2018-05-06T14:53:29Z","duration_s":507,"segments":[{"start_s":0.839,"end_s":7.12,"text":"64 cores","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":4.6,"end_s":15.519,"text":"256 threads running at 1.3 to 1.5 gigahertz with 32","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":12.559,"end_s":19.359,"text":"megabytes of cash meet","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":16.48,"end_s":24.0,"text":"the knights landing zeon phi one of the most insane cpus in the world","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":22.64,"end_s":29.279,"text":"how insane well how does a theoretical two and a","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":26.32,"end_s":33.84,"text":"half teraflop sound got no context for that","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":31.279,"end_s":37.28,"text":"don't stress it's like it's like a lot 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idea of trading off per thread performance for an obscene number of threads and maximum throughput with the theory being that a simpler scaled down core design can dramatically scale up in number while still utilizing existing tools so we can actually trace knight's landings lineage back to project larabee first unveiled in mid 2008 as a GPU designed around the x86 architecture Intel even announced their intent to release a consumer graphics card version of it back in 2010 but since nobody is talking about dedicated team blue graphics cards today you should probably realize that that never launched so xeon phi is what rose from the ashes of that project first appearing in 2012 as a pci express add-in card codename knight's corner and it actually did end up getting used in what was the world's fastest supercomputer until june 2016. the newest revision though knight's landing looks a little different it launched last year and unlike knight's corner it works exclusively in the lga 3647 socket that high-end xeon pearly cpus also slot into so adding support for avx-512 and its many extensions gives knight's landing a lot of flexibility in its target market so then who's the target market i'm glad you asked uses for this include protein folding simulation weather prediction ai and neural network research and development and molecular simulation with libraries like tensorflow and the uiuc's namd being able to take advantage of it as well as GPU acceleration okay then Linus so why do you have one um i guess because super micro pulled a rookie mistake and sent it to me i mean obviously all i was gonna do was game on it and i'm actually kidding about that at 1.3 gigahertz i can tell you guys right now without firing up a single benchmark what the gaming performance will look like like that as for productivity though yeah right out of the gate it falls flat on its face coming in at under half of core i9s and nearly a third of threadripper's score in 7-zip and cinebench CPU mark and real bench not looking much better even blender a conventionally multi-core friendly benchmark sees terrible performance given the 1900 price tag for the chip alone so no these results won't do it all xeon phi is clearly unlike anything we've ever tried to benchmark before you'd need like a phd or something to properly evaluate this thing which is where dr kinghorn our friend over at puget systems comes in as a chemist and mathematician dr kinghorn is no stranger to high-level computation like this and agreed to remote into our night's landing workstation and do some of the testing for us while also running his own 14 core xeon 2690 v4 workstation through the same suite to give us a point of comparison the results actually pretty surprising in linpack the higher core clock of the traditional xeon gives it an edge in smaller problem sizes but beyond 5000 the tables turn dramatically with the molecular dynamics library and AMD things seem to scale predictably with the number of atoms being simulated and all the tests wind up being far less favorable to the xeon phi the greatest gains in this benchmark actually come from dedicated compute gpus though that is fine for the phi these days since it sits in a socket now instead of taking up valuable PCIe slots tensorflow neural networks bring things back though into the xeon phi's wheelhouse especially in batch sizes larger than 64. so xeon phi takes a significant lead over its traditional xeon cousin but it should be noted that both of them get creamed by a GPU further highlighting the importance of large banks of compute gpus for tasks like these though that doesn't mean that xeon phi is useless its dramatically better performance than a standard xeon makes it great for supplementing GPU compute in workloads like these which brings us neatly to the conclusion then not quite as good as a GPU for tasks that can be accelerated far better than a traditional xeon though in most and finally utterly worthless for just 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