WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.920 now the whole industry has been really excited about how AMD's 3rd gen ryzen 00:00:03.840 --> 00:00:12.240 processors have finally caught up to Intel in key consumer applications like 00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:14.880 gaming but in the background AMD has 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:20.880 been quietly not just catching up to Intel but surpassing them by an 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:25.600 incredible margin with their second generation of epic 00:00:23.279 --> 00:00:34.840 server processors and in my hands i have the epic rom 7742 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:39.120 a 64 core 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:42.640 128 thread eight channel memory absolute 00:00:39.120 --> 00:00:45.760 monster of a CPU welcome to 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:48.160 today's episode of holy sh 00:00:45.760 --> 00:00:52.160 where we are gonna take this thing for a little test drive guys the full review 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:56.160 will come make sure you're subscribed so you don't miss that but today is going 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:59.280 to be more about the stuff that AMD didn't want to see us a processor 00:00:57.760 --> 00:01:02.640 because they knew we were gonna do like running cinebenching games and all that 00:01:00.879 --> 00:01:07.040 kind of fun stuff speaking of fun this segue to our 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:11.439 sponsor glasswire with glasswire you can see what's going in and out of your pc 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:16.000 over its network connection so you can diagnose if there's any suspicious apps 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:21.470 behaving badly so check it out and get 25 off using offer code Linus at the 00:01:18.880 --> 00:01:26.430 link in the video description 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:40.159 so while we get set up here i want to fill you guys in on some of what's special about AMD's epic roam platform 00:01:35.439 --> 00:01:44.159 so as i mentioned before this is a 77 42 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:46.880 with 64 cores and 128 threads but 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:50.560 contrary to what you might think if your only CPU experience is with Intel 00:01:49.360 --> 00:01:56.799 processors even though it has 64 cores in it its 00:01:54.280 --> 00:02:01.520 225 watt TDP is not 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:03.920 actually that much higher than Intel's 00:02:01.520 --> 00:02:06.960 top of the line server chips which only have a mirror 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:15.440 it's hard to wrap my brain around saying that a mere 28 course on board and the 00:02:13.040 --> 00:02:21.599 unfairness of this comparison doesn't end at the core counts and the thermals 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:24.239 at the top end AMD boasts nearly seven 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:29.920 times the cash four times the maximum memory capacity two extra memory 00:02:26.720 --> 00:02:32.080 channels pci express gen four which is 00:02:29.920 --> 00:02:38.959 double the speed of gen three not to mention that they've got nearly three 00:02:35.200 --> 00:02:41.440 times as many lanes on board and 00:02:38.959 --> 00:02:47.440 they come in at four thousand dollars less and that's just at 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:50.480 the top end up and down the stack 00:02:47.440 --> 00:02:54.080 Intel's xeon scalable processors are 00:02:50.480 --> 00:02:55.680 under attack from AMD epic rome and it 00:02:54.080 --> 00:03:00.879 gets better than that so a little over 15 years ago AMD made a huge step 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:04.400 forward in computer architecture by taking the memory controller off of the 00:03:03.440 --> 00:03:11.440 north bridge that that second chipset that motherboards used to have on them and 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:14.000 integrating it into the CPU now 00:03:11.440 --> 00:03:19.120 they've done themselves one further by taking nearly everything that still 00:03:16.640 --> 00:03:23.440 existed whether you want to call it a a chipset or an i o hub or whatever else 00:03:21.519 --> 00:03:29.519 but that still existed on a separate ship on the motherboard and integrated 00:03:25.760 --> 00:03:32.959 it right into the CPU yes even all those 00:03:29.519 --> 00:03:35.920 pci express lanes that is the secret 00:03:32.959 --> 00:03:40.239 sauce that makes epic so modular and scalable and flexible it means that 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:46.480 whether we're talking about a motherboard like this one that super micro very kindly sent over to us along 00:03:44.799 --> 00:03:50.879 with the CPU for us to do this preliminary testing or whether you're 00:03:48.239 --> 00:03:55.680 talking about a fully integrated server that takes all those pci express lanes 00:03:53.280 --> 00:04:00.080 and wires them up directly to NVMe drives all across the front of the thing 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:07.040 instead of using you know splitters and switches and all that kind of nonsense 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:10.239 AMD doesn't have to go head-to-head with 00:04:07.040 --> 00:04:12.319 Intel in terms of raw CPU performance 00:04:10.239 --> 00:04:16.959 that's not to say that they can't actually the CPU performance we're 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:19.040 expecting will be very good but it means 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:22.960 that the solution is just capable of stuff that Intel flat 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:30.720 out cannot do right now so why don't we fire it up 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:32.800 it's like mind-blowing that we have 64 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:38.400 processing cores and a northbridge effectively 00:04:34.320 --> 00:04:40.400 sitting under a single Noctua cooler 00:04:38.400 --> 00:04:44.960 getting all hot and bothered let me take off my sweater nice sweater 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:47.840 right lct store.com also this shirt 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:53.520 so for lulls more than anything else we're going to kick things off with cinebench r15 a benchmark that everyone 00:04:52.400 --> 00:04:58.639 knows is sort of light for modern multi-core 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:01.919 processors never mind modern epic 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:06.479 look at all those threads it's ridiculous 00:05:03.840 --> 00:05:12.639 it's so dumb and this is cool only two pneuma domains 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:18.400 and if you're nerdy enough you'll know why that's really cool it is incredibly 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:21.199 hard to do that with this many cores 00:05:18.400 --> 00:05:27.120 AMD has figured out a way even in their dual or multi-socket configurations to 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:32.160 dramatically reduce the number of pneuma domains that are required for these 00:05:29.520 --> 00:05:36.720 massive core counts something that Intel actually lorded over them just last 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:42.080 generation so no more anticipation let's do it 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:42.080 and it's gone 00:05:44.039 --> 00:05:51.120 8450 in cinebench r15 00:05:47.919 --> 00:05:54.000 on a single CPU it's not even running 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:58.880 long enough to load up the the to get hot the fan didn't even spin up 00:05:57.440 --> 00:06:08.240 so obviously we're gonna need something a little heavier let's step up to cinebench r20 which is based on a much 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:10.800 more modern version of maxon cinema 4d 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:16.319 this thing wrecks r20 the way that high-end desktop Intel 00:06:13.039 --> 00:06:18.400 chips wreck r15 like 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:26.560 boom this just beat a 48 core configuration 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:28.319 of dual xeon platinum 8168s 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:34.520 so more perspective here each of those chips is within striking 00:06:31.280 --> 00:06:36.240 distance of the cost of a single 00:06:34.520 --> 00:06:41.199 7742 and that's ignoring that it takes two of 00:06:39.039 --> 00:06:45.120 them to not even have the same performance not to mention all the 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:49.680 memory channels and pci express lanes and blah blah blah all that other stuff 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:53.199 it's madness and things get a little bit more crazy here now the eagle-eyed among 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:58.080 you probably noticed that we're only running four memory sticks in this 00:06:54.880 --> 00:07:00.080 motherboard right now the reason is that 00:06:58.080 --> 00:07:04.479 at least in our early testing we were having trouble getting unbuffered ecc 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:08.160 memory to run in it we are also going to be significantly 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:14.319 upgrading the memory capacity of our system here each of these 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:15.720 is a 32 Gigabyte dim 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:23.120 so that will be 256 gigs of RAM so there it is 256 gigs 00:07:20.880 --> 00:07:26.240 of RAM and this hardware is too new to have the readout for how many memory 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:31.680 channels and what speed it's running at and all that noise so i guess we'll have to fire up like 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:35.199 hw info yeah okay cool let's do that all right so we're running at 26.66 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:40.479 which happens to be the rated speed of our memory we've got our rtx 2080 ti 00:07:37.759 --> 00:07:45.199 which is totally inappropriate everything here is looking 00:07:43.599 --> 00:07:49.360 pretty right all right let's try cinebench r20 again 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:53.360 now to be clear i'm not expecting a huge difference in performance going from 00:07:50.880 --> 00:07:56.000 quad to eight channel memory in this particular workload 00:07:55.120 --> 00:08:00.960 uh there are very few if any single user 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:05.680 use cases where you're really going to get a benefit from that much memory 00:08:03.280 --> 00:08:10.960 bandwidth it's more for like actual legitimate server use and as expected 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:14.800 our score is pretty darn similar if you got eight channels y'all might as well 00:08:12.960 --> 00:08:19.759 use them on the subject of single user workloads though here's one that can 00:08:17.280 --> 00:08:25.039 really benefit from extra CPU power let's go ahead and do the classic bmw 00:08:23.520 --> 00:08:29.919 blender render and see just how much of our CPU we can 00:08:27.440 --> 00:08:35.360 load up here wow 00:08:31.599 --> 00:08:38.800 even blender which is traditionally a 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:41.919 very multi-threaded workload cannot take 00:08:38.800 --> 00:08:44.399 advantage of all 128 of our threads 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:49.839 maxing out at around 80 85 of them or so 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:54.720 it's only using half of them is blender numa aware that's fine we 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:58.080 have a solution to unlock this fully armed and operational 00:08:56.640 --> 00:09:03.839 battle station we're just going to run two instances of 00:09:00.640 --> 00:09:06.959 the render at the same time 00:09:03.839 --> 00:09:10.200 there it is so we are turboing to just 00:09:06.959 --> 00:09:16.080 shy of 2.5 gigahertz we are seeing 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:18.800 100 usage of all 64 of our cores 128 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:24.320 threads and i am willing to bet that this thing is kicking out some heat i 00:09:21.680 --> 00:09:28.240 needed to dry my hair cool 00:09:25.920 --> 00:09:30.880 the fan's not really ramping up okay these fins are getting pretty 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:35.680 toasty is this fan going to ramp up at some point i might not be on the right header 00:09:33.920 --> 00:09:38.880 supermicro doesn't label their headers particularly clearly 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:46.000 we could just try a different one oops 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:50.000 so impressively it still managed to finish while running two blender 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:54.160 instances simultaneously in a minute and 14 seconds apiece all 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:59.920 right so now that we've got our fan figured out properly let's go ahead and have a look at what we can expect in 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:06.000 terms of CPU temperatures under a very heavy load so my friends that is 128 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:12.440 instances of prime95 i've never seen anything quite like that 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:15.120 and let's see what that does to our poor 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:18.560 7742 i wonder if it detects this as a power virus 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:21.760 every thread is only running at 93 94 00:10:20.160 --> 00:10:26.720 so this isn't working and we think the CPU might be detecting prime95 as a 00:10:24.079 --> 00:10:31.440 so-called power virus because it's even throttling below its base speed so we're 00:10:28.800 --> 00:10:35.839 going to go ahead and kill that all right so this is more like it now we're 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:40.959 hitting every core for all it's worth we're actually managing to turbo a 00:10:38.079 --> 00:10:46.160 little above our base clock to 2.5 gigahertz and 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:49.680 shockingly temperatures are not even just 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:55.519 reasonable they're downright under control we're actually only at about 50 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:58.399 degrees on the CPU now that our fan 00:10:55.519 --> 00:11:03.040 turns up when there's heat going into the heatsink 00:11:01.040 --> 00:11:06.640 now that might seem unintuitive having 64 cores running at a mere 00:11:05.760 --> 00:11:12.880 up to 52 degrees when you've got like an eight 00:11:09.680 --> 00:11:15.920 core Intel processor like a 9900k 00:11:12.880 --> 00:11:17.839 that'll easily run at you know 70 plus 00:11:15.920 --> 00:11:22.480 and it's only eight cores but in this case 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:27.760 epic's size and the lower frequency of its cores means that not only are the 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:32.320 cores more spread out making it easier to transfer heat into the heatsink but 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:36.000 because they're running at a lower frequency and a lower voltage it means 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:40.720 they're running much more efficiently pushing for that last little bit of 00:11:37.839 --> 00:11:44.640 frequency requires a lot more power to be pumped through the chip and therefore 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:48.399 a lot more waste heat that dual gooseberry render though but enough of 00:11:46.560 --> 00:11:53.120 all that it's time to answer the question you've all been waiting for can 00:11:50.160 --> 00:11:58.720 it run crisis okay then 720p it is but we're gonna crank 00:11:56.160 --> 00:12:04.160 everything to very high very high is grayed out also motion blur sucks 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:08.880 anytime now if this takes any longer i'm gonna have a mid-life crisis 00:12:08.880 --> 00:12:12.560 that is pretty slow 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:22.639 wait a minute Anthony is this the CPU renderer version 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:27.360 yeah that's why i told you not to run over 720p 00:12:24.880 --> 00:12:31.680 oh wow i'm surprised this is like running at all then 00:12:29.680 --> 00:12:37.200 yeah i had everything on the blow and it's actually semi-playable on low 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:41.120 okay why don't we try that then i friggin figures i knew you were you had 00:12:39.920 --> 00:12:45.680 some crazy trick up your sleeve alright so i 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:53.279 turned the in-game settings down to low and this is pretty darn impressive but 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:56.079 the best is yet to come so in order to 00:12:53.279 --> 00:13:00.480 get this it's using a renderer called swift shader in order to get it to even 00:12:58.880 --> 00:13:05.120 launch the game you have to change your CPU affinity to something other than all 00:13:02.800 --> 00:13:08.720 processors so it looks like eight eight processors total so we 00:13:07.040 --> 00:13:14.000 instead are going to allow it an entire pneuma 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:19.279 node now let's see how it runs 00:13:16.079 --> 00:13:20.800 this is crazy now to be clear 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:23.839 no one at google where they're developing the software expects anyone 00:13:22.800 --> 00:13:28.720 to game on cpus 00:13:26.079 --> 00:13:34.160 as the graphics card anytime soon it's designed more 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:36.240 as like a compatibility layer but uh 00:13:34.160 --> 00:13:41.600 it's working come on i want one kill 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:45.839 yes all right so now that we're not being 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:50.240 silly here it is 4k everything cranked to high 00:13:46.959 --> 00:13:52.720 it's actually kind of amazing how still 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:57.760 kind of respectable this game looks all these years later 00:13:54.720 --> 00:14:00.000 i mean the ai is dumb as toast by modern 00:13:57.760 --> 00:14:04.639 standards and stuff but honestly crisis didn't run well but that's in large part 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:08.240 due to it just being really really old and not particularly well optimized 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:12.959 let's run something a little more modern and see how that goes shall we i mean 00:14:10.560 --> 00:14:17.279 apex isn't exactly the most demanding game on the market but it's certainly 00:14:15.040 --> 00:14:22.399 popular so so let's go have a look at how things are running here we are using 00:14:18.959 --> 00:14:23.600 a grand total of two percent of our CPU 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:26.160 right now um 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:33.600 overall utilization and we peaked out about 12 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:38.639 in game we'll be turboing up to around three point okay nothing amazing like 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:43.360 3.3 3.4 gigahertz but that's more than enough to run this game 00:14:40.560 --> 00:14:46.880 at 144 frames per second average we're actually locked to our refresh rate 00:14:44.800 --> 00:14:51.920 because i didn't bother to adjust it holy crap i think my team is bothering 00:14:49.920 --> 00:14:57.040 to respawn me here wow that uh that was a waste of effort 00:14:55.120 --> 00:15:01.360 appreciate you guys though okay so i don't have any of my stuff now 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:05.760 though like i'm just naked at this point right wow they're like pinging stuff for 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:08.560 me i wonder if they know who i am uh h to thank them 00:15:07.199 --> 00:15:14.320 thanks all right all right i'm coming i'm ready to contribute to the team now they're 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:18.720 they're trying so hard to help me like i feel so bad for them right now 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:22.800 seven squads left so we're actually like doing respectably 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:26.800 i think i'm not as much of a liability as dennis 00:15:24.959 --> 00:15:30.240 oh no they pinged a thing we're oh we're going somewhere no no i don't want to go 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:36.079 anywhere i liked this place this place seemed pretty good oh oh shoot there's 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:39.360 like enemies all over the town run 00:15:37.920 --> 00:15:43.600 i got a kill they totally like set it up for me but 00:15:40.959 --> 00:15:46.880 whatever i want to win brandon i am a competitive gamer 00:15:45.199 --> 00:15:52.079 hey there's nothing wrong with being supportive okay bras are supportive and 00:15:49.199 --> 00:15:52.079 they're very popular 00:15:52.800 --> 00:15:57.199 actually that's true millennials are apparently killing bras 00:15:57.920 --> 00:16:03.279 okay there's only three squads left ladies and gentlemen 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:11.199 oh they're picking me up again go team if 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:15.759 they can kill that guy they may actually pick me up again let's see if i'm the 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:19.920 chico can take this guy out oh they might get him no way 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:26.399 wow we're one of the final squads these guys 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:31.199 oh man this is hilarious how do i heal 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:32.399 i don't know how to heal oh no hold four 00:16:31.199 --> 00:16:38.639 hold it and then drag your mouse yeah let go and then now press four oh my goodness they go so 00:16:36.160 --> 00:16:42.639 fast i can't keep up what where are we going okay i'm healing 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:48.800 i'm healing they can't hear me but whatever it's chill please just hit him 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:54.079 oh you gotta be kidding me i think i just got hit in the head 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:56.880 okay that's fine i will just heal more i'm just i'm a distraction i'm a 00:16:55.759 --> 00:17:02.240 distraction i'm bleeding out no 00:16:59.920 --> 00:17:08.480 no is it 1v3 right now oh no 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:14.000 no i leveled up so that's it for now this 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:18.480 thing renders it crunches it games it slices it dices it's pretty freaking 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:23.679 amazing and we've actually got a fair bit more content planned around AMD's 00:17:21.199 --> 00:17:27.199 epic roam processors for the future so make sure you're subscribed so you don't 00:17:25.120 --> 00:17:30.880 miss any of it and i think all that's left is to thank 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:34.320 our sponsor are you concerned about a data breach causing your credit card 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:40.799 info to fall into the wrong hands then check out today's sponsor privacy.com at 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:42.799 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