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So the main difference between today's video

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and some of the bizarro random cooling experiments

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that Alex and I have done over the last several months

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is that this time we're not in the boardroom,

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we're in the kitchen

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because today's video is gonna be completely nuts.

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Now, I showed you guys sub-zero cooling

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on Threadripper Gen 1 with my own DIY water chiller.

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But believe it or not,

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there's actually a commercially available

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all-in-one nice tidy little package version of that.

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So we're gonna be taking this water chiller from Active Aqua

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and we're gonna be hooking it up to Threadripper 2.

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32 cores of sub-zero.

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Have they gone mad?

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Have we?

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No, it seems fine.

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Seems perfectly fine.

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Origin PC's EVO 15S is under an inch thick

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and features a smooth 144 hertz 1080p display

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with an NVIDIA

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GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q graphics card.

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Okay, so first order of business

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is make sure all of our hardware actually works.

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Yeah.

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Okay, so do I get to unbox the chiller?

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Sure, yeah, go for it.

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One-tenth of a horsepower.

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I could get into that.

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That seems like a good thing.

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I guess so.

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Whoa, what the ?

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What?

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You said I could unbox it.

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And then you literally moved immediately to the scissors

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and immediately started unboxing it without me.

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Well, you're wasting a lot of time right here, so.

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Would I get to unbox the tubing?

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I guess so, yeah.

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Fine, you know what?

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I'm not gonna do that then.

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You do it yourself.

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There you go.

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Here's Alex's first unboxing.

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I'm not even helping him.

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All right, so we've got some fittings here.

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They look-

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Boring.

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Fine.

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Boring.

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Ow.

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Damn it, that's heavy.

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Well, that's more than you need to know.

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So power cord, it's a heavy power cord.

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And we've got the chiller here, which, normally,

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you'd flip around, but you can't flip around chillers, so.

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You've got your back to the audience.

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You're failing right now.

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You're failing.

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Okay, so hold on.

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This has a compressor in it, right?

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So we don't wanna tip it over?

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Yeah, that's what I was just saying.

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Oh, well, it wasn't clear.

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Do you want to grab an end?

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Okay.

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Wow, that is a lot more compact

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than the one that I made out of a window-mounted AC unit.

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Recommended water reservoir size, 13 to 50 gallons.

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Okay.

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What is this for?

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It's for chilling aquariums.

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Oh, okay.

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So it's designed for a continuous load, so that's good.

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We considered in advance that these are fittings

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that we probably don't have already, right?

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Right.

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Oh, good work.

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Or did that come in the box?

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Yeah, this came in the box.

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You thought of nothing.

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No, I looked at the thing and-

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Well, maybe the audience would know

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about all the things that are on the box

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if maybe you told them during the unboxing experience.

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I did.

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Terrible.

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The first thing that I said was, there are fittings.

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Yes, is that the right size for this?

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Yes.

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All right, fine.

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Yeah, and I figured that this can go

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between this and the pump,

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and then we can put it into good stuff

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between here and there.

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Did we buy a pump?

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Yes.

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You know we have lots of pumps, right?

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Yep.

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But this one has more gallons per hour

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or whatever the measurement is.

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Really?

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Then the little giants?

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Well, I don't know what the little giants are, but-

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You don't know what the little giants are.

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Hold on, can we still return this?

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Is this still in like new condition?

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Yeah. I'm gonna go get a little giant.

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Trust me, you'll like my little giant.

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See?

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That is a real man's pump.

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It'll give you lots of head pressure.

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Guessing zip ties aren't good enough?

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Yeah, zip ties, fine.

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Okay, here.

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I can do that if you wanna get the next one going.

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So for the reservoir, I was kind of thinking,

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instead of bothering with doing a whole lot,

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we could just stick the tubes right into here

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and duct tape it on.

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Okay.

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I mean, the most important thing when you're going sub-zero

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with some kind of

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alcohol-based coolant is making sure that

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any plastics that you're using

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are not going to get destroyed by it,

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any seals or gaskets.

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This is that new MSI board, the Creation.

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Do we wanna use this one or the Zenith

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that already has all the residue and crap all over it?

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Apparently the VRMs on that one

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are better for Threadripper too.

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Ah, well, this is just the first test,

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so let's just kind of see what happens and go from there.

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Cool.

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Here goes nothing.

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Can I have some fittings for the block here?

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Thanks.

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We can probably just like goatsy stretch

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a three-eighths inch over there.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

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Yep.

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You got it?

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Oh, it doesn't have to go on up.

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We're never gonna get that off.

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Well, I guess do we just turn the pump on now

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and make sure or hope that nothing leaks?

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That's kind of what I was planning to do.

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All right.

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To those watching at home,

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the worst part of all of this

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is that this loop will perform

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significantly better than yours.

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Okay.

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I'll try not to drink windshield de-icer here.

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Okay.

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The pump is now primed.

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Cool.

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Is this thing broken?

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Your little giant's really impressing me.

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Fortunately, I have another.

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You could have had this running by now.

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This one's even bigger.

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Oh, great.

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Yeah, this is the big giant.

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Now I wish we'd left a little more slack on the lines.

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Let's do a quick tubing swap here.

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Okay.

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Perfect.

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Dang it, Alex.

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How do I avoid drinking windshield de-icer now?

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Ooh, man.

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Yeah, that's...

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That's what I told you.

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Yay.

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There we go.

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All right.

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So hold on.

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So right, this.

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Okay, perfect.

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Should be fine.

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And we're not gonna put that on so tight this time.

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Okay.

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Good to go?

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Hopefully.

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Let's hope.

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Power it on.

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Success, TM.

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Seems to be working.

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Okay, so now what?

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I guess we should just fire up the bench.

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Boom.

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Let's do it.

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Oh, and it turned off.

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That's okay.

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It's probably just the classic double post.

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So our system's already not posting.

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That's a good sign.

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You know what?

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We're trapping the Zenith.

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All right.

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I don't actually know that that's the problem.

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It's probably not, but...

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Oh, I'm gonna go get some water,

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cause I'm thirsty.

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Go ahead and cut.

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Hey, it booted up on like the fourth attempt.

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Oh, and it...

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Good job.

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All right, I'm trying the other board.

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Oh, wow.

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That is a lot of...

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I might have overdone the thermal compound

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a little bit there.

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It's just like Vaseline caked around the RAM.

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Very poor quality Vaseline, by the way.

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If you've never installed a thread,

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I'd rip her CPU before.

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It's like nerve wracking actually,

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the way you gotta go at it.

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Like if it didn't have a little torque stop,

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I don't think I'd put it that tight.

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See that flicker on the RGB lighting?

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I don't think it is the GPU.

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If we just lost a 2990 WX, I'm gonna be pretty choked.

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Yeah, that would suck.

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Like, is that how it's supposed to go?

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Let's just, let's just go for it again.

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Maybe it's the RAM.

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Some days I feel really bad for the viewers at home.

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It's like they're watching a horror movie.

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No, don't go into that closet.

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Why would you do that?

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Everyone else who went in there died.

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Ooh.

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Okay, so it's just a bad mount.

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All good.

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Let's see if we get a post here.

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How is that even possible?

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Oh, there's a code right here.

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Detect memory.

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All right, do you want me to grab some other stuff?

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Yeah.

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I figured out the problem.

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What was it?

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Old BIOS.

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Oh.

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We need a Threadripper one.

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USB drive.

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Can we just use the other board?

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At this point, I think it's faster to flash the BIOS.

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Uh, okay.

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I'm sorry.

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All right, well, there's a bunch of RAM.

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Yeah, thanks.

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So we're an hour in,

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and we have not yet booted Threadripper 2

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to verify that our system does in fact work.

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But we have the latest BIOS on our board now.

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Theoretically, this is it.

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Wait for it.

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They don't put post codes in the manual anymore.

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I have confidence that this time we will post.

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Uh-huh!

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I mean, we've achieved nothing because we still can't boot.

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Okay, do you wanna run and grab the drive off my bench?

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All right.

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Okay, that's a good sign actually.

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Okay.

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And that noise is driving me knocking faults right now.

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All right.

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So.

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Change graph to logical processors.

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LOL!

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So many CSS's!

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GPUs.

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So I've just got to put some GPU drivers on here still.

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We've got Ryzen master software

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and Alex has pulled out the thermal camera.

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So right now our CPU is sitting at about 45 degrees

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because it's had a considerable amount of time to warm up.

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Like these tubes are warm to the touch.

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So I think now is the time for us to turn this thing on.

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Yeah, I guess so.

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Okay.

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Well, this is somewhat anticlimactic.

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Where's it even taking the temperature from?

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Oh, I did something.

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39, that's the limit.

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Four Celsius, I guess.

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Four Celsius.

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So how do we wanna use this?

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Do we wanna use it in a way that's practical

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to just chill water down to a little above the dew point

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and say, okay, this is the best case scenario

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for normal water cooling performance?

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Or do we want it like chilled?

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I think we should do chilled.

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Okay.

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Like we've already screwed up that motherboard.

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So what do we have to lose besides time?

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The CPU.

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We have another one.

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The RAM.

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We have more.

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We'd never recommend that anyone run below ambient

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or below the dew point on an ongoing basis without protection.

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But I mean, we're just doing a Threadripper

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two overclocking experiments.

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So where's that shop towel stuff you had?

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We'll just put some of this around the socket.

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This is a really bad idea.

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Seemed like a...

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Pro insulation job.

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Oh boy.

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Even with all this airflow over the CPU socket area

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and the VRMs, our block is still...

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That's pretty wet.

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Sweating.

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But on the plus side, our CPU is idling at what?

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Five degrees?

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Seven?

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Yeah, seven.

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Why does this just say overload watts?

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Oh, it's like the max.

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Yeah, here we go.

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Okay.

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Go ahead and hit it.

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Oh, I just did.

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Oh, you did.

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Is it done?

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Yeah.

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What the hell?

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Yeah, it was a pretty low score too, 4864.

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So we're at about a hundred watts at idle.

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Can you hit it again?

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I wanna see what we peak at.

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Sure.

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Whoa, 335 watts while CineBenching.

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Okay, so we got just over 5,000 CineBench,

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which is about what we expect.

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So that means our CPU is doing 250 watts already.

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We haven't even overclocked it.

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It hit a maximum of 24 degrees.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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So what, you want 40?

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Yeah, let's just go for 40.

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All right.

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All right, it's changing a lot of variables at once.

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So we're at, whoa, we're idling at 140 watts now.

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All right, I'm gonna hit it now.

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40, 580.

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Ooh, did we crash?

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No, 6,229 CineBench.

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That was too easy.

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This CPU is sucking over 500 watts.

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Oh, who does AMD think they are, Intel?

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Maximum of 39 degrees.

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Well, should we try and go faster?

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I guess so.

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So I tried to launch Adobe Premiere and it just turned off.

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Yeah, I don't know if we're stable.

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There is a lot of water on there.

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Should we cut the power to this?

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Let's do that.

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It's possible that there's water on the underside.

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Hard to say.

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Yeah, we could pull that up and have a look at it.

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Actually,

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no, it's bone dry.

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It's really wet in there.

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So we might've killed our chip.

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If we don't manage to revive it,

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then this is the end of the video.

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And we're back to life.

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How long, how many hours did we leave it for?

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It was fine after like three or so.

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Yeah, okay, fantastic.

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So we're not gonna go quite so low again.

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We're at 59 freedom units, whatever that is.

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And there's good news though.

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What do we got?

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So it's currently at 4.1, didn't change the voltage.

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I guess it's just fine, maybe.

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We're at 19 degrees idle now,

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which is a lot more reasonable at this room temperature.

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And have we done a stress test yet?

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No.

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Okay, start with Cinebench.

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Sure.

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Over 6,000.

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Should we try for 4.2?

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Update and restart.

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Oh, there are updates.

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Okay, well, why don't we do that first?

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Oh, this might be a while.

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Oh.

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It seems like a lot of the issue was just that you're

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a crappy SSD died.

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It might've not even been the condensation.

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Oh.

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I mean, honestly, I don't think we really need

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to run any more benchmarks to determine

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that this works really well.

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Yeah.

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So the main takeaways here are that this is really compact,

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cools really well, and I'm gonna turn off the stupid pump.

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Without the noise from the pump and that industrial fan.

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Well, it's not on right now, but.

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We can get it to kick on though.

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Here, you wanna just? Yeah.

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Set it at least four degrees lower,

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and then it should kick in.

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That's actually not too bad.

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Yeah, it's really not loud.

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So let us know in the comments,

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would you like to see this cannibalized

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and integrated into a system?

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That's a really loaded question.

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I sure would.

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