WEBVTT 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:06.880 um do you want the camera to be adjusted oh yeah we've got a little bit too much 00:00:04.319 --> 00:00:06.880 head room do you 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:20.840 mind I got that's good 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:31.759 yeah and we're live ladies and gentlemen 00:00:28.519 --> 00:00:35.480 welcome to the W show Luke is cavorting 00:00:31.759 --> 00:00:38.000 about in Asia so he couldn't join us but 00:00:35.480 --> 00:00:43.039 that's okay we have budget Luke sorry is it discount discount Luke sorry cavort 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:47.239 jump or dance around excitedly I hope he's cavorting yeah oh I'm pretty sure 00:00:45.239 --> 00:00:50.840 he's cavorting he loves hanging out over there I'm pretty sure that's the only 00:00:48.879 --> 00:00:55.280 reason that he wanted to go to computex Luke if you're watching I'm on to you 00:00:53.199 --> 00:01:00.320 it's the only time he corts yes the only time he corts I rarely Cort but when I 00:00:58.199 --> 00:01:04.119 do it's in Asia he actually can really Cort over there because a lot of the 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:10.880 time the ceilings are too low Oh I thought you going to say he would like squish people step on them like little 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:14.320 ants yeah he really does stand out there 00:01:10.880 --> 00:01:15.560 get back I'm cting in a very real way so 00:01:14.320 --> 00:01:22.240 uh yeah we've got a really great show for you guys today and I'd love to tell you about it except my uh laptop is 00:01:19.880 --> 00:01:25.400 updating so maybe James can tell us what some of the great topics we have are 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:31.799 we're going to talk about our favorite things from WWDC I actually do have some favorite 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:35.960 things from WWDC like not everything was bad okay no spoilers though okay and 00:01:33.960 --> 00:01:41.119 remember when YouTube was down last weekend remember when the W show was 00:01:38.520 --> 00:01:46.439 supposed to go up last weekend there's lots of things 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:49.880 conspiracy and AMD and Samsung partner 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:53.600 up for ultra low power graphics in 00:01:49.880 --> 00:01:59.159 possibly mobile phones all that and more 00:01:53.600 --> 00:01:59.159 at 11 News at 11 roll the intro 00:02:02.360 --> 00:02:10.520 this is great I just like the timing uh someone messages how rich is lonus in 00:02:07.039 --> 00:02:12.920 the chat and someone super chats 99 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:17.280 Cents not so rich doesn't appreciate this it's actually less than 99 Cents 00:02:14.760 --> 00:02:20.560 because YouTube takes a cut of that oh they take a cut of super chats yeah of 00:02:18.959 --> 00:02:26.680 course of course they do of course they seven uh no I think it's more than that 00:02:23.640 --> 00:02:30.640 yeah I actually don't know super chats 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:33.560 um while we definitely appreciate people 00:02:30.640 --> 00:02:38.640 generosity um are not really a needle mover for us um and part of it is that 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:43.080 YouTube does take a significant portion of it so super chat uh YouTube portion 00:02:41.760 --> 00:02:46.599 sorry I have to look this up because I actually don't know how much money does 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:49.640 YouTube take from superchats this is an article on stream Geeks and I should 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:53.599 probably be looking it up on my laptop now that it's um not updating anymore 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:57.400 and then I could actually share this with you how much I thought we were 00:02:55.720 --> 00:03:02.280 directing all the super chats to Brandon now from Super no no that was just that 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:07.280 one time hey Brandon you got your free lunch right yeah okay good just checking 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:11.120 those super chats move the needle for you um guys please continue super chats 00:03:09.799 --> 00:03:17.319 please he got he got a free he got a free lunch out of it so that's pretty good I guess nice all right how much 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:21.640 money does YouTube take from Super chats wow this is a really long article for 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:26.720 just like search on dollar sign or search on perc contr 00:03:23.480 --> 00:03:29.959 F uh you have seen our 100% YouTube live 00:03:26.720 --> 00:03:31.040 Super Chat blah blah blah uh okay when I 00:03:29.959 --> 00:03:35.760 clicked the estimated Revenue in YouTube's analytics it was roughly 30% 00:03:33.200 --> 00:03:40.640 less than the total Super Chat amount um so they take a 30% cut of super chats 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:45.159 through YouTube That's exorbitant well yes and no it's exorbitant hold on a 00:03:42.959 --> 00:03:50.159 second yes and no it's not quite that simple because for one thing Google 00:03:47.760 --> 00:03:55.599 while they do use their own payment processor which saves them a lot um if 00:03:53.640 --> 00:04:00.239 they were using a third-party payment processor you could be looking at as 00:03:57.519 --> 00:04:05.680 much as 30 cents or more per transaction plus a percentage of the 00:04:02.799 --> 00:04:10.239 transaction so even if I was just uh using stripe or brain tree to take a 00:04:08.640 --> 00:04:15.799 dollar from you over the internet thank you very much I would still be giving 00:04:13.200 --> 00:04:20.440 30% of that over 30% of that to my payment processor this is something that 00:04:17.320 --> 00:04:22.400 we've learned the hard way um as we've 00:04:20.440 --> 00:04:27.240 uh developed float plane uh Luke's not here so we're not going to talk about float plane ATT 10 today but uh my 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:31.919 apologies to the float plane fans out there only blockchain can save us but 00:04:29.880 --> 00:04:36.560 well save us blockchain yeah but the transactions aren't even free with 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:40.160 crypto like some cryptocurrencies have very high transaction fees especially if 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:44.360 you want the transaction to go through in a reasonable amount of time yes I 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:49.800 know it depends but the some of the more commonly used ones have extraordinarily 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:53.039 High transaction fees whatever man it's 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:55.520 the future all right it's it's hard to 00:04:53.039 --> 00:04:59.800 have a real conversation but then I mean you don't cost as much as Luke so 00:04:57.919 --> 00:05:03.120 discount conversation I don't okay no wants to have a blockchain conversation 00:05:01.520 --> 00:05:07.080 right now I just wanted to make the joke and leave it at that okay that that's 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:12.280 fair you know um bitcoin's up what like 60% this year though uh last I checked 00:05:09.520 --> 00:05:15.840 it was is it like 10 grand I don't I don't know honestly I'm like see now 00:05:14.479 --> 00:05:21.120 we're having a blockchain conversation I'm I'm out it's 8 Grand it's 00:05:18.479 --> 00:05:24.600 $8,000 so I'm I'm out I don't care anymore so I'm I'm actually trying not 00:05:23.039 --> 00:05:29.280 to pay too close attention to it I'm just like you know what forget it you 00:05:26.520 --> 00:05:33.360 guys enjoy your crypto thing call me when it's actually manageable to 00:05:31.080 --> 00:05:37.880 integrate as a payment system uh call me when you know the Canadian Banks and the 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:44.039 Canadian government have all decided on a way to U deposit and withdraw this 00:05:41.080 --> 00:05:49.080 stuff and uh not have everything disappear mysteriously in a weird town 00:05:47.280 --> 00:05:53.800 in India where people are known for going to fake their own deaths um you 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:59.639 you heard about that right not specific one no um so uh what's the uh what's the 00:05:57.520 --> 00:06:04.680 crypto exchange that went down uh the the one that was like based out of here 00:06:01.960 --> 00:06:07.400 oh what was that called I don't know they all have the same 00:06:07.479 --> 00:06:15.840 name uh out of business owner died hold 00:06:11.520 --> 00:06:19.120 on what was it quadriga yeah quadriga um 00:06:15.840 --> 00:06:21.280 so it's a 30-year-old CEO and co-founder 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:27.160 died of complications arising from Crohn's disease while traveling in India 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:31.280 supposedly except the circumstances of 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:33.280 his death um r spirous H yeah but did 00:06:31.280 --> 00:06:36.759 that ever come to a conclusion I don't believe it has at this point but I 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:45.280 haven't been paying really close attention to it because like I said I'm out I hope he's alive I really do I like 00:06:42.960 --> 00:06:49.120 over a hundred million dollar of assets like are you saying you've never 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:53.440 fantasized about faking your own death it's just such a funny thing to think 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:58.080 about it's illegal as far as I know isn't it I think it is yeah I mean you 00:06:56.400 --> 00:07:03.160 know the thing is that you know most of the people uh who do it you know never 00:07:00.599 --> 00:07:07.400 get prosecuted because they're actually dead I love how there's like a mecca for 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:12.759 this like if you want to fake your death come here how can you have a good fake 00:07:11.039 --> 00:07:18.639 if everyone knows oh he died in that town no one really dies there like their 00:07:15.440 --> 00:07:21.840 whole newspapers obituaries like fake 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:23.639 news yeah so I don't know like there's a 00:07:21.840 --> 00:07:27.680 place there's a place there I forget what the town is called or like like the 00:07:25.840 --> 00:07:32.879 area is called but they're really well known for document forgeries including 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:36.960 things like birth certificates and death certificates and that happened to be and 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:40.960 this could be a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory in fact YouTube chat is probably 00:07:38.919 --> 00:07:45.120 blowing up being like I personally oh wow it is blowing up like I personally 00:07:43.280 --> 00:07:49.240 saw the dead body or whatever like good for you uh so yeah like I said it's 00:07:47.400 --> 00:07:55.680 possible this is all nonsense it's a hub for makeup artists um but it's it's possible 00:07:54.199 --> 00:08:01.840 someone says not illegal you have the right to disappear yeah you can disappear but you can't um you can't 00:08:00.039 --> 00:08:09.639 forge a death certificate because that is a legal document so that would be 00:08:03.960 --> 00:08:12.840 about like forging a um uh a land deed 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:15.479 like you can't do that and because there 00:08:12.840 --> 00:08:22.440 are such large incentives for some people for faking their own death 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:24.800 um there's definitely definitely laws 00:08:22.440 --> 00:08:29.159 that make it so you you can't do that faking your death is sometimes called 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:35.000 pseudocide pseudocide that is great I like that that's cute that's 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:38.080 clever wow well don't know if it's 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:40.039 illegal or not yet but how about Apple 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:42.839 stuff how about it how about it all right well why don't we why don't we 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:47.640 bring up the WWDC news and kind of kind of talk 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:51.279 through some of our favorite things the wock why would I go to the W there's 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:55.200 links there in I know but the people who work on that they just don't do a very 00:08:52.959 --> 00:08:55.200 good 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:03.959 job it's funny cuz he's the one who works works on the W uh all right all 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:09.680 right all right all right so there's like nothing in here I said follow the 00:09:06.399 --> 00:09:12.680 links the links you I didn't build this 00:09:09.680 --> 00:09:14.240 out because you already made videos 00:09:12.680 --> 00:09:20.240 about this you know this we all know this stuff all right so should we start 00:09:16.839 --> 00:09:22.560 with the Mac Pro now I've kind of said 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:27.800 everything that I want to say about the Mac Pro um I there oh actually I do have 00:09:25.839 --> 00:09:33.240 a couple small Corrections from the video that I made earlier this week so I 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:34.959 had speculated that the the very low-end 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:39.760 system configurations that only have four sticks of memory might not support 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:44.399 six Channel memory but remember right after the Mac Pro announcement uh we 00:09:42.040 --> 00:09:49.000 missed it Intel announced their 3000 Series Zeon W lineup that was going to 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:52.399 be the processors in the Mac Pro and it does go all the way down to eight cores 00:09:50.640 --> 00:09:56.600 and apple apparently confirmed that no there will only be one motherboard so 00:09:54.320 --> 00:10:02.200 they're just shipping a six Channel motherboard six Channel CPU and they're 00:09:59.760 --> 00:10:08.000 just putting four sticks of memory in it because six grand for eight an eight 00:10:05.079 --> 00:10:12.480 core processor makes a ton of sense something now from like an optimization 00:10:09.880 --> 00:10:17.000 standpoint what what does that mean um it means that you're getting effectively 00:10:14.560 --> 00:10:23.040 66% of the memory bandwidth that you otherwise would now with that said 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:26.279 you've only got a p8 core processor so 00:10:23.040 --> 00:10:28.480 who cares I guess because it's not like 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:32.440 uh it's not like a 28 core where you could legitimately have a workload 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:35.600 you're running on it that needs all of that memory bandwidth like you just 00:10:33.760 --> 00:10:41.880 don't have the compute to justify it anyway but I also just don't think that 00:10:39.680 --> 00:10:47.160 an eight core configuration of this machine should exist it doesn't make 00:10:44.680 --> 00:10:51.720 sense like so much of the price of this thing is making up for the R&D of the 00:10:49.079 --> 00:10:57.720 case design seems to me that you're just not getting any value on the on the low 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:59.760 end on the low end I think there's 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:03.680 people already defending it but don't I don't understand these people because on 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:11.760 the low end you should just be buying a latest gen iMac it has an 8 core 00:11:07.880 --> 00:11:13.680 processor ECC memory is a really it's a 00:11:11.760 --> 00:11:19.720 really interesting feature because I even went as far so we published a very 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:22.279 negative review of Intel's previous uh 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:28.720 Zeon W lineup the one that was based on their LGA 2066 platform and what Anthony 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:33.120 and I concluded and I ultimately said in the video 00:11:29.880 --> 00:11:35.399 was these things are a rip by an HDT 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:40.519 processor because the only differentiating factor is that they 00:11:38.079 --> 00:11:45.440 support ECC memory which if you really needed it well AMD supports ECC up and 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:50.320 down their entire lineup oh wow all the way from thread Ripper down to ryzen 3 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:55.480 so if you absolutely must have that there might be an AMD option for you go 00:11:52.079 --> 00:11:58.839 check that out and you lose overclocking 00:11:55.480 --> 00:12:01.480 support which depending on your workload 00:11:58.839 --> 00:12:06.760 might actually make sense because you're using their c620 whatever chipset 00:12:03.880 --> 00:12:10.320 instead of their x299 chipset which has overclocking support builds into it so 00:12:08.880 --> 00:12:17.680 we ultimately concluded that you were paying anywhere from 500 and over 00:12:13.079 --> 00:12:20.399 dollars for a tradeoff in features that 00:12:17.680 --> 00:12:24.320 may or may not have any value to you and um intel was upset about my conclusion 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:29.920 because they said well actually you know zon W 00:12:26.040 --> 00:12:31.880 is good for workstations and I went 00:12:29.920 --> 00:12:34.680 why is it good and they said well because it's made for workstations and I 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:38.920 said well what makes it made for workstations 00:12:36.519 --> 00:12:44.519 exactly and they said Well it has ECC support and I said well that's nice um 00:12:41.800 --> 00:12:50.120 what does that do for me because here's the thing the perception for a lot of 00:12:46.760 --> 00:12:52.440 years was that Intel xon processors Were 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:58.399 Somehow better than their consumer equivalents and there have been times 00:12:55.320 --> 00:13:02.160 when they actually were but over time 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:06.120 the R&D cost to make a new CPU design 00:13:02.160 --> 00:13:08.839 has become such an enormous part of the 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:14.760 cost of a processor that by the time you've done all that R&D it's actually 00:13:11.760 --> 00:13:16.800 cheaper to just make the same CPU and 00:13:14.760 --> 00:13:22.839 put it under two different brands with some features turned on or turned off 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:28.880 and a feature that you would turn off would never be 00:13:26.160 --> 00:13:34.160 stability like it is not think about it it is is not an Intel's interest for 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:43.279 their Core Series processors to crash once every 422 00:13:37.680 --> 00:13:46.839 hours for to what end so Intel can talk 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:51.000 about how Zeon W is really 00:13:46.839 --> 00:13:54.959 stable but if you ask well is core I9 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:54.959 not stable they just kind 00:13:55.720 --> 00:14:04.560 of yeah it's stable and it is so what I 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:06.000 asked them to do was okay guys let's 00:14:04.560 --> 00:14:13.519 talk about ECC I want to do a video where you guys 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:17.279 take me to like uh you know Sandia 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:21.000 National Lab or something and and we we 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:24.240 we simulate a solar a solar event we we 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:27.079 flip a bit we actually flip a bit on a 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:33.120 memory chip and show that this system recovered from it and this one didn't 00:14:29.839 --> 00:14:34.519 and they were like we can't do that like 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:41.240 they physically can't do that they don't have the instruments to do that 00:14:37.800 --> 00:14:44.399 they wouldn't clarify okay they were 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:46.560 just like we can't do that and so I said 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:52.040 well then my conclusion about your processor given that there is no 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:57.680 meaningful demo I also I before we got as far as like going to a laboratory and 00:14:54.480 --> 00:15:00.519 like doing this um I asked well give me 00:14:57.680 --> 00:15:04.560 a demo mhm give me something I could do on these two machines that shows that 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:10.040 this one is more stable than this one and they were like we don't have any 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:11.600 workload like that I kind of 00:15:10.040 --> 00:15:18.759 went okay thanks guys um like the thing you 00:15:15.920 --> 00:15:22.279 got to understand is that ECC does do something in the event of an accidental 00:15:20.560 --> 00:15:27.639 bit flip it is supposed to recover from it the thing is that each subsequent 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:30.639 generation of DDR technology has also 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:33.800 added more resilienc against accidental 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:35.720 errors so I'm not saying it doesn't have 00:15:33.800 --> 00:15:41.399 a value today I'm just saying that it's not a value that even intel was able to 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:45.120 design a test for me to be able to demonstrate um at least the people I 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:51.639 talked to there if anyone from Intel's watching and knows a way that we can do 00:15:47.040 --> 00:15:54.720 this yo HMU as the kids say 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:56.000 right I'm almost as old as you now man 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:59.759 yeah well fair enough yeah and you're going to be uh wait is that public 00:15:57.920 --> 00:16:04.079 knowledge or no yes oh okay and he's going to be a dad too yeah he's going to 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:08.319 be the second dad at lonus Media Group I was going to say second parent but my 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:13.160 wife works here she's also a parent that's true she's very obvious she's 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:18.240 yeah she is she's a parent oh that was great oh let me I'm going to let that 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:18.240 wash over me for a 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:26.480 second yeah so it's like a feature that is over serving most people and being 00:16:23.560 --> 00:16:32.199 disrupted by the same company's other features yes 00:16:29.560 --> 00:16:36.120 anyway um I forget where I was going with this right you should just buy an 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:42.079 iMac because it's a faster 8 even thermal throttling I think it's still 00:16:37.800 --> 00:16:46.000 faster than this uh this zon W 00:16:42.079 --> 00:16:48.000 because whatever or something um and 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:52.759 then that even ignores the iMac Pro which starts at five grand and uh I 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:56.199 think what does what does its core count start at I feel like we need to go like 00:16:54.680 --> 00:17:01.160 look at that now iMac Pro Apple 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:05.839 USA I don't think this is going to take me to the US site no it's not well 00:17:03.800 --> 00:17:10.520 whatever we'll just do it manually thank you very much for that oh the prices I 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:15.600 love how this stuff is always need the pric aut no I do need the prices because 00:17:13.120 --> 00:17:20.400 so the the Mac Pro is going to start at six grand so if we have a look at where 00:17:18.360 --> 00:17:24.880 the iMac Pro starts because remember these are not the same processors they 00:17:22.120 --> 00:17:29.080 fit in an entirely different socket but from a performance standpoint I don't 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:33.600 believe Intel has changed anything like I clock speed for clock speed core for 00:17:31.080 --> 00:17:38.640 core they should be quite similar so let's go ahead and have a peeky Boo at 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:44.440 what we get for this so we get a 3.2 g gahz xon w that turbos to 4.2 and what 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:49.840 do we get with the Mac Pro we get a 3.5 that turbos to 4.0 so let's configure it 00:17:47.600 --> 00:17:55.640 we've got a grand to spend because they both come with 32 gigs of ram in the 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:57.760 base configuration and uh two no this 00:17:55.640 --> 00:18:02.480 one has a one terab SST out of the box of course it does right so we can add 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:07.000 another two freaking cores and I'm not saying the iMac Pro is a perfect machine 00:18:05.360 --> 00:18:12.280 I'm just saying it also happens to include a display um with a 00:18:09.919 --> 00:18:16.760 stand and it'll outperform the base model Mac Pro on paper we will have to 00:18:15.159 --> 00:18:20.760 actually test that we might have to crack open our iMac Pro again oh stop 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:27.799 cracking it put like different processors in stop cracking it please H 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:30.039 I know I know and just oh man the I 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:35.360 think the graphics card is the most embarrassing thing about this stock 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:41.640 configuration really a 580x let's fire up L newegg.com now I 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:47.039 know it's a radon Pro or whatever but you guys got to understand that is a 00:18:43.600 --> 00:18:50.120 that just B that that no that is just a 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:55.000 driver switch that AMD flips it is the 00:18:50.120 --> 00:18:56.679 same bloody card um 580x hold on a 00:18:55.000 --> 00:19:00.400 second you're not typing yeah I'm I'm working on it I'm working on it so what 00:18:58.080 --> 00:19:08.000 is a 58 X cost these days here's an MSI armor whatever 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:11.480 $200 like we're talking a $200 graphics 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:13.080 card in a system that costs six grand so 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:21.679 basically the message that apple is sending with this base configuration is 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:24.840 buy this if you're the kind of like ego 00:19:21.679 --> 00:19:27.880 images everything that wants to 00:19:24.840 --> 00:19:30.760 have a Mac Pro as a status symbol but 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:35.360 actually doesn't care at all about what's under the hood of it at all yeah 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:42.280 that's the message it's like being like Oh I need a Mercedes to impress the ladies and everyone else is like yeah 00:19:38.679 --> 00:19:44.159 it's the cheapest one yes but as long as 00:19:42.280 --> 00:19:48.600 the ladies don't know that I guess you're good then you're good so as long 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:50.919 as still great cheese ladies who aren't into 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:58.400 cars um what what else did I did I want to say about the Mac Pro right okay so 00:19:55.880 --> 00:20:01.280 we know it's all the same socket so um no you don't get a different motherboard 00:19:59.760 --> 00:20:06.679 it's just stupid and now I've had people say well what if you want to upgrade in 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:09.320 the future well then you should use your 00:20:06.679 --> 00:20:15.320 current machine for now and you should upgrade when you order because upgrading 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:19.559 computers is very rarely a good idea now I'm not saying you should get the you 00:20:17.360 --> 00:20:23.840 know most loaded out memory configuration in fact there's a good 00:20:21.120 --> 00:20:27.320 chance that companies like OWC or I fix it are going to have kits that you can 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:32.600 use to upgrade that stuff for much cheaper 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:34.559 um I'm just saying that you're basically 00:20:32.600 --> 00:20:38.440 buying a processor that you then are just going to put in a bin and trust me 00:20:36.360 --> 00:20:44.679 no one else is going to want it because the kind of motherboard that's going to 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:47.760 fit an LGA 3647 zon W is going to cost $ 00:20:44.679 --> 00:20:49.840 55600 nobody buys a board like that and 00:20:47.760 --> 00:20:55.960 puts a cheapo 8 core processor in it that's stupid it's an imbalanced machine 00:20:53.559 --> 00:21:02.440 that's my point it's six grand it's got a throwaway processor a throwaway Gra 00:20:58.600 --> 00:21:04.760 graphics card and memory that honestly 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:09.600 let's see it's 32 gigs so what is that is that 8 gig sticks so that limits your 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:16.960 total upgradeability as well because it's only got 12 memory slots so 32 * 3 00:21:13.760 --> 00:21:19.559 is what like 96 96 gigs of RAM like 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:23.720 that's probably Lots but you're better off getting 16 gig sticks because that 00:21:21.679 --> 00:21:27.799 doubles the overall expansion like if if upgradeability is what you've got in 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:30.760 mind don't buy parts that you have to throw away and that no one will 00:21:29.520 --> 00:21:34.919 ultimately want so why do you think Apple makes this skew they make the skew 00:21:32.919 --> 00:21:39.360 for the for the ego people do you think it's it's their most profitable build 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:44.720 out no no I think they're absolutely it's just because people will buy it I 00:21:41.760 --> 00:21:51.360 think that they are trying to maintain not just a profit margin but also a GP 00:21:48.840 --> 00:21:56.159 dollar profitability to this product because my what you mean by GP dollars 00:21:53.400 --> 00:22:00.440 uh gross profit dollarss okay so so they just want to have coverage of as wide a 00:21:58.159 --> 00:22:05.320 swath the market as possible yeah so so they want to hit the lowest price point 00:22:02.080 --> 00:22:07.440 they can while still making what they 00:22:05.320 --> 00:22:11.200 would have expected to make regardless of which skew they sell on the core 00:22:09.840 --> 00:22:17.919 components that they're selling which are ultimately the case a license for 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:23.520 Mac OS which is ultimately tied to the main board the sorry the logic board but 00:22:20.360 --> 00:22:26.799 if that's the case then this and if this 00:22:23.520 --> 00:22:28.080 product is overlapping with performance- 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:33.039 wise with the other products as you just showed us then it's cannibalizing those other 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:37.919 products to me that doesn't make sense unless it's the case that at Apple those 00:22:35.760 --> 00:22:43.760 teams are kind of segregated and each team is responsible for getting as as 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:45.679 much gross profit on its product line 00:22:43.760 --> 00:22:48.400 actually and they're competing teams I doubt it works that way I think Apple's 00:22:47.159 --> 00:22:52.159 a little bit smarter and a little bit more organized than that I suspect that 00:22:50.520 --> 00:22:56.120 the only reason they wouldn't care about this cannibalizing their other products 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:59.880 is that it's more profitable or as profitable so ultimately it doesn't 00:22:57.559 --> 00:23:04.320 matter what you buy okay um and I would suspect based on the load out of 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:09.240 something like an iMac Pro I suspect that this is a higher margin produ M uh 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:14.720 even if they are assembling it in the US as I I think they had committed to doing 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:19.679 don't quote me on that though okay um so so yeah they just have a they just have 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:21.600 a base amount of GP dollars that they 00:23:19.679 --> 00:23:28.600 need to make in order to make this product make sense for their 00:23:24.320 --> 00:23:30.200 shareholders and well screw you you you 00:23:28.600 --> 00:23:36.559 get to buy a config that doesn't make any sense because remember too imagine 00:23:32.840 --> 00:23:39.880 this imagine if it didn't start at 6,000 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:42.240 okay imagine if it started at 12 13,000 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:47.279 okay people would be outraged about that too and instead of it just being nerds 00:23:45.679 --> 00:23:52.760 like me that are going to break down the spec and go well this is imbalanced this 00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:56.600 doesn't make sense um you know you've effectively you've effectively bought 00:23:54.960 --> 00:24:03.279 you know uh um that x for case that we showed the 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:05.120 like $1,300 case and you know put an 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:09.000 entry-level CPU and graphics card in it like you're an idiot you know the the 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:14.880 people who are mad right now are the giant nerds whereas if they announced a 00:24:12.080 --> 00:24:19.120 product that was that started at $133,000 everyone would be mad right 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:23.919 they're their like common customer would feel alienated that's right yeah okay 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:30.120 now it seems attainable even though what you're buying is essentially stuff to 00:24:27.919 --> 00:24:36.600 throw away and upgrade later if you are intending to do any serious work with it 00:24:33.320 --> 00:24:39.919 okay how about the monitor though uh 00:24:36.600 --> 00:24:42.039 yeah we can talk about the monitor 00:24:39.919 --> 00:24:45.520 so I can't wait to see it it's going to be a great monitor let's say that it's 00:24:43.840 --> 00:24:49.600 going to be a great monitor oh the monitor I'm pretty excited about 00:24:47.320 --> 00:24:54.000 actually now Brandon was actually telling me about um a really interesting 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:57.960 post that someone created where their main problem with the monitor was not 00:24:55.600 --> 00:25:03.120 necessarily its Hardware capabilities but whether or not Apple was going to 00:25:00.919 --> 00:25:08.720 adhere to any of the existing standards for HDR because if Apple comes in and 00:25:06.679 --> 00:25:12.720 says okay we're competing with the the Flanders of the world you know we're 00:25:10.360 --> 00:25:17.240 talking 30,000 plus dollar displays um so so this person's problem 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:24.080 with it at that point was it doesn't have enough local dimming zones it's going to have Bloom it's just it's 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:25.919 simply not suitable um versus if Apple 00:25:24.080 --> 00:25:32.880 was coming in and they wanted to compete with sort of the the more 00:25:29.600 --> 00:25:34.880 the more average creation monitors um 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:40.640 they were saying that well Apple needs to Apple needs to just 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:45.520 be aware of and adhere to standards like hdr10 that already exist instead of you 00:25:43.120 --> 00:25:49.360 know forging their own path with this uh what what do they call it xdr extreme 00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:54.480 dynamic range or something like that I can't remember exactly exactly what 00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:58.399 their wording was for it um now I I 00:25:54.480 --> 00:26:00.799 think that with like apple isn't perfect 00:25:58.399 --> 00:26:05.840 but they tend to be good at designing an end-to-end workflow what I suspect is 00:26:04.159 --> 00:26:09.919 that right around the time this Mac Pro launches they're going to have some new 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:15.440 workflow tools within Final Cut within Mac OS that are going to make working 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:17.720 with HDR content easier and I think that 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:24.320 they they're going to have to acknowledge that there are standards 00:26:19.080 --> 00:26:26.240 like hlg um hdr10 Uhl Vision that 00:26:24.320 --> 00:26:33.080 already exist and that they have to make their tools work for I I I am not as 00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:35.919 pessimistic as um that person was but um 00:26:33.080 --> 00:26:40.240 I also am not as well versed in it as they are so I'm going to be really 00:26:37.159 --> 00:26:43.679 interested to see how this how this goes 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:47.039 and how long this display is even that 00:26:43.679 --> 00:26:49.279 interesting for OLED only has to get a 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:54.240 little bit brighter to make more sense because remember it's high dynamic range 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:59.039 not necessarily how many knits you can pump through a display um so OLED only 00:26:57.159 --> 00:27:04.240 has to get a little bit brighter before for my for myself I'd rather be editing 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:13.240 I'd rather be creating on something that has no Bloom and 57 is 576 zones 532 I 00:27:10.320 --> 00:27:17.679 can't remember how many it was but um on a 32 in yeah that's a lot of zones on a 00:27:15.520 --> 00:27:22.039 32 in but it's sure as heck not an emissive display technology I we 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:28.200 actually we checked out a display with uh 52 512 zones just yesterday 35 in on 00:27:25.679 --> 00:27:34.960 a 35 in and so it's not quite an apple Apple's comparison but would you say 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:39.320 based on what you saw that Apple's 500 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:42.880 to 600 class display on a 32 in is going 00:27:39.320 --> 00:27:47.320 to be sufficient for like real color 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:49.559 accurate contrast accurate color work no 00:27:47.320 --> 00:27:53.080 it depends on okay well it depends on the aggressiveness CU on the display 00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:58.720 that you and I looked at it was which was the 00:27:54.360 --> 00:27:59.640 pg35v sometimes known as BQ um it 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:03.960 had such aggressive um local dimming that there 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:07.640 was always Bloom and it was you could really see when you move the cursor from 00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:11.159 one little one inch one inch Zone to another that it was you missed when we 00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:14.559 were playing Tomb Raider didn't you uh I played it myself earlier but I wasn't 00:28:12.679 --> 00:28:18.559 there I wasn't there with you did you play any scenes with really high 00:28:16.080 --> 00:28:21.840 contrast a little bit okay I didn't notice any problems when I was G okay 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:26.360 cuz I was really impressed with how well it did when gaming it was only when on 00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:32.720 the desktop it sucked on the it I think sucked is probably about the right word 00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:34.919 yeah yeah yeah all I'm saying is like 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:39.360 even with that many zones 500 zones in that size they're still like they they 00:28:38.120 --> 00:28:43.799 were about an inch by an inch still an inch by an inch still pretty big it's 00:28:41.120 --> 00:28:51.000 big yeah and apples is going to be smaller but not that much smaller not 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:56.600 that much smaller no like maybe 08 of an inch or 85 of an inch but 10% smaller or 00:28:53.640 --> 00:29:01.559 something like that so cuz remember too we're talking about a 35 in display but 00:28:58.320 --> 00:29:04.120 it's a 35 in 21 by9 display that is not 00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:10.320 in terms of actual display surface area that's not as much bigger as it sounds 00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:13.840 compared to a 32 in um is it 16 by9 n or 00:29:10.320 --> 00:29:16.880 10 I actually don't remember um but even 00:29:13.840 --> 00:29:18.080 you even see Bloom on oleds I think it 00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:23.200 just has to do with the perception of the eye though that's true that's true 00:29:20.760 --> 00:29:29.120 you do see some Bloom on oleds but like you said I think part of it is just the 00:29:25.840 --> 00:29:30.679 eyes contrast capabilities yep 00:29:29.120 --> 00:29:36.279 um and that's actually another thing that's another reason why I do question 00:29:33.159 --> 00:29:38.919 how much brighter OLED really has to get 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:42.320 for the HDR experience to be really really good on it because we're already 00:29:40.919 --> 00:29:47.080 at the point now where the brightest whites on an OLED right next to the 00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:52.320 blackest blacks like my eye has a hard time seeing that line yeah so if we want 00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:56.600 something like a like a candle burning in the middle of a dark room if we want 00:29:54.080 --> 00:30:03.000 it to bleed out if that's the filmmaker's desired effect I mean are we 00:30:00.080 --> 00:30:07.360 that far off I just don't know how much more work is going to be put into OLED 00:30:05.600 --> 00:30:11.640 because it seems like microed is kind of looming in like the 3 to five year 00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:14.960 Horizon now and and Apple's one of the companies doing it at least they're 00:30:13.120 --> 00:30:18.679 investing really heavily in it as far as as far as the public is aware anyway 00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:21.679 yeah I don't know how big of displays they're planning on making with it 00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:25.640 though it's supposed to be pretty scalable though right that's one of the 00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:30.120 uh one of the selling points of microlet I believe is that it's kind of like you 00:30:28.080 --> 00:30:33.399 can just scale it up or down now this was a really fun conversation that I 00:30:31.840 --> 00:30:37.120 actually had with some of the folks at Nvidia and I don't believe yeah no 00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:43.519 there's nothing about this that would have been off the Record or nd8 or 00:30:39.120 --> 00:30:45.519 anything like that but I was and pardon 00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:49.679 my ignorance every once in a 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there is there a reason we don't 00:32:55.840 --> 00:33:01.039 just turn on the other the normal ones on they just take oh are you sure but I 00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:05.080 don't know if they're turning on I don't know if they take 10 minutes iens we'd 00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:10.200 see them glowing by now I don't think they're on I'm happy with this it looks 00:33:06.639 --> 00:33:11.880 cool dramatic um so my first exposure to 00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:16.039 microed was Al I'm not the one looking in the light um was with the Sony Cletus 00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:20.519 display yep and have you heard of the Cletus yeah was that CS oh did you see 00:33:18.360 --> 00:33:26.399 it I wasn't there that year but they had it the next year didn't they okay so the 00:33:22.080 --> 00:33:28.320 Cletus display is really trippy because 00:33:26.399 --> 00:33:31.720 the way that it it's like a modular display and we've seen Technologies like 00:33:29.840 --> 00:33:35.080 this before but it's a unique one because it's got these panels that are 00:33:33.360 --> 00:33:39.519 about this big and then you just assemble them together into whatever 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:44.760 size and resolution display you want now that's not unique what's unique is that 00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:50.399 the Cletus display uses an emissive display technology like OLED except it's 00:33:48.399 --> 00:33:59.080 not oleds it's microleds okay so they've got these tiny 00:33:54.039 --> 00:34:02.399 tiny micro LEDs red green and blue and 00:33:59.080 --> 00:34:03.880 they emit directly from the display so 00:34:02.399 --> 00:34:10.440 there's no backlight or anything like that but the way that they achieve near 00:34:07.320 --> 00:34:13.200 perfect blacks on a cetus display is 00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:19.240 that I forget what the exact number is but uh it's over made of black dots no 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:24.560 no no it's not is there like a bunch of black dots that you can see if you go really close to it no is it like an 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:29.599 illusion when you back up uh it's a little bit different than that though so 00:34:25.919 --> 00:34:31.159 they actually allowed me to go up to it 00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:35.839 uh here I'm just going I remember everyone was uh everyone was tense like 00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:43.560 no don't go that close Okay Ultimate Picture blah blah blah where is it okay 00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:45.280 uh where's the here we go okay right 00:34:43.560 --> 00:34:54.040 because so the reason they can get nearly perfect blacks out of it is that 00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:57.320 99% of the Cletus display doesn't emit 00:34:54.040 --> 00:34:58.599 light weird it's just it's actually 00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:03.440 black so you're looking at this giant display 00:35:01.240 --> 00:35:09.040 made that that emits light they're micro LEDs they're super bright but they're 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:12.079 actually tiny they're micro LEDs and all 00:35:09.040 --> 00:35:13.599 the area around them is just black are 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:18.079 they clustered or are they spread out with lots of black in between they look 00:35:15.200 --> 00:35:21.240 like this yeah okay yeah so you've got a red green and a it's either a blue or a 00:35:20.040 --> 00:35:25.200 yellow I actually don't remember but you've got three sub pixels for each 00:35:23.520 --> 00:35:31.359 pixel and the vast majority of the display is actually black but because of 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:33.760 the way that light spreads from a source 00:35:31.359 --> 00:35:38.839 you actually have to get about 18 in from the screen in order for and it's 00:35:36.240 --> 00:35:43.079 weird your eyes like go weird as you move through the threshold kind of click 00:35:40.640 --> 00:35:49.440 in and then all of a sudden you go from seeing the entire image which has no 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:51.200 perceivable gaps in it to seeing just 00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:58.400 these dots and they don't look like anything they just that's so trippy it's 00:35:53.280 --> 00:36:00.760 so weird okay so I thought that micro Le 00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:08.359 displays were specifically this technology okay I didn't ever stop and 00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:10.240 think about that a micro LED is just I 00:36:08.359 --> 00:36:14.200 think a small LED and you could do anything you wanted with it yeah um I I 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:17.680 didn't think about that there were other ways that people were planning to use 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:21.920 micro LEDs okay so I was talking to Nvidia because they were talking about 00:36:19.680 --> 00:36:27.400 these displays that they've that they've created with over 500 um local dimming 00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:32.200 zones and they were talking about like yeah you know we see a clear path 00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:35.960 forward because I'd love to see wait which Nvidia displays have over 500 00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:41.680 Deming well the one that we just checked out for one that's not Nvidia Asus okay 00:36:40.040 --> 00:36:47.160 are you talking about the bfgs I'm talking about the Nvidia driver module 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:52.640 and the um the full array backlight control module that's Nidia creates that 00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:57.119 yeah so um okay that's actually an important point to clarify so they were 00:36:54.640 --> 00:37:04.440 talking about how um you know going from 300 84 zones to over 500 zones to using 00:37:01.240 --> 00:37:06.680 mini LEDs to micro LEDs they see this 00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:12.800 very clear technology progression whereas like I'd love an OLED g-sync 00:37:09.839 --> 00:37:15.960 display and I was like hey you guys working on that and they're kind of like 00:37:14.720 --> 00:37:19.800 you know they're vague right they're evasive we're working on everything you 00:37:18.359 --> 00:37:25.599 know what are we we're a technology company what are we not working like they basically it was not total 00:37:22.040 --> 00:37:27.079 non-answer and when I drilled down um 00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:31.839 where I ultimately like they wouldn't answer any questions about it but what I 00:37:29.240 --> 00:37:38.920 ultimately realized is that because OLED is an emissive display with completely 00:37:35.319 --> 00:37:42.720 different characteristics in terms of 00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:45.599 color mixing at different brightnesses 00:37:42.720 --> 00:37:51.240 um you know making them color accurate um the way that the pixels switch or 00:37:49.520 --> 00:37:55.119 rather they they don't take a long time to switch like Nvidia would have to 00:37:52.680 --> 00:37:59.480 completely reinvent the gsync module to run an OLED display so when they were 00:37:56.920 --> 00:38:04.599 talking about this clear path forward to mini LED and microed I totally 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:10.400 misunderstood that they were talking about something like a Cletus display an 00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:12.520 emissive display using micro LEDs what 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:17.520 they were actually talking about was using micro LEDs to have a much greater 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:24.040 degree of granularity in a full array backl I see okay so so what they're 00:38:21.160 --> 00:38:28.240 looking for as a business then is is evolution rather than Revolution it's 00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:33.359 like we have this tried and test stuff we just need to iterate to make it you 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:38.760 know just do this but do it harder do it smaller miniaturize it so what I 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:42.000 ultimately came away with was that full 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:45.119 array backlighting on LCD 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:49.200 displays is not going anywhere and where 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:51.920 we're probably headed is many many many 00:38:49.200 --> 00:38:57.800 more zones maybe where we get to the point where each zone is a mini LED or a 00:38:55.839 --> 00:39:02.440 microed so that the blooming becomes much less I don't remember what my point 00:39:00.240 --> 00:39:06.960 was in all of this anymore I think we were just talking about um micrite 00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:13.560 coming out eventually oh right app invest yes so microled coming out 00:39:09.680 --> 00:39:15.839 eventually yes but maybe not in the form 00:39:13.560 --> 00:39:21.560 that you might think because a micr Leed display could be an emissive display or 00:39:19.160 --> 00:39:27.920 it could just be really really small LEDs micro Leeds mhm behind a regular 00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:31.079 old LCD panel so yes micr displays are coming we just 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:34.480 don't know exactly what form they'll take and after that meeting with Nvidia 00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:39.000 I had a better understanding it doesn't make sense to keep them as transmissive 00:39:36.520 --> 00:39:41.960 displays because when you have that many of them well it depends how many you 00:39:40.240 --> 00:39:47.640 have if they're at almost the level of being like for each pixel is a Zone then 00:39:46.160 --> 00:39:52.240 the beauty of it is that you turn it off and you get the the black levels of OLED 00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:56.319 yes right and the pixel response times because the reason that LCDs have higher 00:39:54.319 --> 00:40:02.480 pixel response times than OLED is that it actually takes time liid cryst to TST 00:39:59.319 --> 00:40:03.880 that and to unst and that's to why it's 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:07.640 not as black because even when it's fully Twisted some still going to get 00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:13.280 through so why would you give up on all those awesome benefits because you've 00:40:09.319 --> 00:40:15.560 invested the last 25 years in LCD then 00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:20.800 get disrupted and you know how they work get disrupted that but that's it because 00:40:18.160 --> 00:40:25.760 you know how they work because a lot of the time you can build even using an 00:40:23.040 --> 00:40:30.599 inferior technology you can build a better display when you 00:40:27.839 --> 00:40:34.520 understand the technology at play better and so yes get disrupted but the flip 00:40:33.200 --> 00:40:40.240 side of that is Apple's display is already sort of 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:45.800 groundbreaking in terms of its contrast and Peak brightness and all that the 00:40:42.160 --> 00:40:47.839 thing is the thing is $6,000 MH so but 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:51.839 so is a bfgd what's the emissive one going to be that's exactly my point how 00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:56.720 disruptive is that technology going to be if it costs 50 Grand or whatever you 00:40:54.839 --> 00:41:01.520 know what I mean well they should event it depends they could end up in phones 00:40:59.160 --> 00:41:06.599 it'd be great in your watch yes you know and I wonder if LG I'm sure LG is also 00:41:05.200 --> 00:41:10.680 um investing in it's just kind of interesting because they also are going 00:41:08.319 --> 00:41:14.400 so hard into OLED but they don't want to be the caught flat footed either right 00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:19.119 no one wants to be caught flat footed I think LG is still pretty heavily 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:20.920 invested in OLED only time will tell so 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:24.960 we promised in the video thumbnail that we were going to talk about not just the 00:41:22.720 --> 00:41:29.359 monitor but also the monitor stand what monitor stand the one for the do come 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:34.160 with yeah the one it doesn't the one it doesn't come with so I guess the 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:36.680 argument here is that like the very 00:41:34.160 --> 00:41:40.560 expensive very very expensive monitors that you referenced earlier uh those 00:41:38.720 --> 00:41:45.839 don't come with stands either and it's just not in like in that category it's 00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:52.079 not industry standard to have a stand hey Brandon can you bring me something 00:41:48.839 --> 00:41:54.680 that's really stupidly 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:57.720 overpriced like a a a handle or something you know you know what I'm 00:41:55.839 --> 00:42:00.240 talking about right okay yeah okay Brandon's gonna find something this 00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:04.640 gonna be something related to a red for sure okay 00:42:02.319 --> 00:42:09.599 so can I play devil's advocate for a moment here please I love Satan okay so 00:42:08.040 --> 00:42:14.079 there's a you got something for me have two 00:42:12.040 --> 00:42:19.000 things okay yeah that yeah what else you got how much is this 12.95 for two this 00:42:16.359 --> 00:42:23.760 is $12.95 for two okay wonderful uh how much is this 00:42:21.160 --> 00:42:29.200 $2,950 is that still how much it costs us or Canadian US okay three grand us 00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:34.160 all right um um this is three grand okay so we got a we got a couple we got a 00:42:30.640 --> 00:42:36.760 couple things here okay so when I buy a 00:42:34.160 --> 00:42:41.559 product my understanding is that it should come with pretty much everything 00:42:38.359 --> 00:42:44.319 that it needs to function right okay 00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:51.720 okay that's a very consumer Centric point of view now I would say that if I 00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:53.119 were to if I were to graph out the now 00:42:51.720 --> 00:42:58.960 that now that I have experience in the professional world if I were to graph 00:42:55.040 --> 00:43:02.880 out my expectation of like cost versus 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:05.359 included accessories curve okay I would 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:10.720 say as the cost approaches zero your included accessories go down you expect 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:14.720 a more barebones experience so as the cost approaches zero as the cost of my 00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:17.880 original purchase approach is zero so if I buy the cheapest phone on the market 00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:25.160 I'm not that surprised it doesn't come with some headphones okay right okay 00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:27.720 then as I as I step up in cost I expect 00:43:25.160 --> 00:43:34.240 my experience to be more and more complete and when you buy something like 00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:34.240 a Galaxy S10 um you know it's got 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:52.520 your UPS on here do yeah we do theoretically we're live but the 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:58.280 camera's dead can you can you guys can you guys make sure the camera is going to turn back on oh yeah camera's on okay 00:43:56.480 --> 00:44:01.800 we just sorry guys we just had we just had a short blackout it's called a brown 00:44:00.160 --> 00:44:08.240 out uh no no it's called a brown out when it doesn't actually cut oh when it just goes yeah um a short blackout yeah 00:44:06.720 --> 00:44:11.920 wow we have to have a good name for that hey guys a mini Blackout um sorry what 00:44:10.720 --> 00:44:17.119 was I talking about you were describing an inverted par okay yeah so so 00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:20.599 basically you know I expect to get my my you know my headphones and and they'll 00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:24.599 run bundles and stuff so maybe it comes with a Micro SD card for expansion and 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:28.280 blah blah blah blah blah and and a fast charger a fast charger you know like 00:44:26.640 --> 00:44:33.520 access bundles well unless it's an iPhone yeah and then as I spend more 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:38.559 that starts go down and I get into professional grade rather than consumer 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:42.480 grade gear the manufacturer's expectation is that if you only have a 00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:47.160 little bit to spend you expect very little if you have a moderate amount of 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:51.680 money to spend you expect a lot and if you have a lot of money to spend you 00:44:49.720 --> 00:44:56.680 probably don't care about the crap we were going to include anyway and you're 00:44:53.800 --> 00:45:02.280 willing to pay more for a premium perfect P option so I think there's a 00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:06.680 certain level of Fu you've got the money anyway pay more that goes on when it 00:45:05.200 --> 00:45:13.359 comes to professional I think they would say that I think they would say that they wouldn't say because every because 00:45:10.240 --> 00:45:15.559 each piece is ostensibly so highly 00:45:13.359 --> 00:45:20.160 engineered and high quality and so expensive you don't want and low volume 00:45:18.359 --> 00:45:25.960 you don't want to be paying for things you don't need that would be the way they would 00:45:23.160 --> 00:45:30.680 say it they wouldn't say F you but it's just implied but if that were really the 00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:35.520 case if they're really being altruistic then there wouldn't be a 00:45:32.160 --> 00:45:37.760 $200 Vasa adapter it would just be 00:45:35.520 --> 00:45:42.400 standard you could just clip it on there yes okay so let's talk about then so 00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:47.280 again playing playing a little bit of Devil's Advocate here I don't think that 00:45:45.200 --> 00:45:51.520 Apple has missed the mark With Their audience at 00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:55.359 all we are talking about a you don't think they're out outraging the same 00:45:53.319 --> 00:45:59.079 person they were afraid to outrage when we talked about the lower level I think 00:45:57.319 --> 00:46:03.480 they're going to outrage people but I don't think those were of the customer 00:46:00.520 --> 00:46:07.599 for this product at all we're talking about a 00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:12.440 $6,000 monitor once you get the anti-glare special etched glass coating 00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:21.000 we're talking about a $6,000 machine that it hooks up to at that point it is 00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:24.720 an 8% difference in cost to get the pro 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:27.440 stand H or just or or what percentage is 00:46:24.720 --> 00:46:32.760 that or or we're talking like a 00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:36.119 1.75% difference in cost to get a vas 00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:37.559 amount right 1.5% that's all we're 00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:43.040 talking about well $200 is nothing people people who can afford that pee 00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:46.400 the $200 a grand not 00:46:43.040 --> 00:46:50.000 necessarily maybe they don't pee it but 00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:51.640 maybe they can make that $200 back 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:59.079 because this is a tool that they use for actual work so I paid how much did I pay 00:46:54.760 --> 00:47:01.240 for this uh the 12200 bucks for two $100 00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:06.559 for two well yeah like a pair it's a set of two a pair is $1,200 okay so I paid 00:47:04.520 --> 00:47:12.079 $600 for this let's break it down a little bit uh here's a piece of machined 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:18.640 aluminum here's a screw here's a little aluminum doohickey that you can twist uh 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:21.680 here's a button another aluminum 00:47:18.640 --> 00:47:24.880 doohickey um here's a little ajusted do 00:47:21.680 --> 00:47:27.960 hickey with another little do that on it 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:29.079 um here's a rubber handle let's go okay 00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:35.920 so $600 but I did this because there's 00:47:32.640 --> 00:47:37.800 nothing else on the market that has the 00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:41.720 the same level of ergonomics and build quality that allows us to operate the 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:47.400 camera more comfortably so effectively I'm not buying some stupid aluminum 00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:51.440 doohickey I'm buying a camera I'm buying a camera operator whose back doesn't 00:47:49.520 --> 00:47:55.160 need Cairo appointments every week that ultimately my company's Health Plan is 00:47:53.000 --> 00:48:01.200 going to pay for that's what I'm buying so it's a 00:47:57.520 --> 00:48:03.800 different perspective and when it comes 00:48:01.200 --> 00:48:09.880 to legitimate professional level gear I'm not talking about an iPad Pro that's 00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:12.319 not professional equipment a MacBook Pro 00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:18.359 is not professional equipment anymore people are doing real work on them but 00:48:15.200 --> 00:48:20.880 Apple has sullied that product line they 00:48:18.359 --> 00:48:25.960 have made it about a status symbol that you can use to browse Facebook hot take 00:48:23.240 --> 00:48:29.480 more than just about actually getting real work done into delivering the best 00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:33.400 possible performance now my thoughts may change when I I actually haven't watched 00:48:31.359 --> 00:48:37.440 our review of the upcoming 8 core MacBook Pro so I'm basing it on the one 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:43.200 that thermal throttled last apparently it's a lot better um but I'm talking 00:48:40.680 --> 00:48:47.880 about actual tools that actual professionals will buy to actually make 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:50.880 money with them it's a different equation when you make money with 00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:54.960 something that you buy at least cognitively you can justify 00:48:53.680 --> 00:49:01.880 it sure also if you make more money with it 00:48:58.799 --> 00:49:04.599 than objectively mhm it's a good 00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:11.119 investment wow hey do you know how much employee 00:49:06.720 --> 00:49:14.280 healthcare costs 600 bucks whatever or 00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:16.240 like or like if someone quit because I I 00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:20.119 wouldn't I would couldn't provide the the ergonomic equipment that they need 00:49:17.720 --> 00:49:24.720 to not be in pain uh do you know how much it cost to train a person mhm we're 00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:31.240 talking thousands and thousands of dollars in Lost prod productivity 00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:34.760 what this makes them happy all right H 00:49:31.240 --> 00:49:36.640 what do I care well I want a better 00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:40.599 chair which chair do you have now I'm just joking actually all right I have 00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:44.920 had a really nice her Miller before at work it was pretty cool should we wrap 00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:49.280 it up is that it super chats can we do some super chats oh we should really do 00:49:46.319 --> 00:49:54.119 some super chats um just for YouTube's sake yes yes you know yeah here YouTube 00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:57.799 Here's your here let's find the let's find the most expensive uh Super Chat 00:49:56.280 --> 00:50:02.480 YouTube can we get some here you go YouTube Here's 30 bucks uh from tytin 00:50:00.240 --> 00:50:09.079 and Dougal hey lonus Paradox interactive of ck2 eu4 made a music video for their 00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:10.240 upcoming Paradox con will we get a music 00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:16.839 video for LTX will we get a music video for LTX I 00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:23.079 have to confess I had not given that one Nan of thought well I can imagine us 00:50:19.720 --> 00:50:25.440 having footage from LTX placed over 00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:28.280 music or with music and released as promotional material for the next one 00:50:27.520 --> 00:50:35.400 but I don't think we're going to choreograph any dancing or get any sexy people in bikinis we could put us in 00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:39.839 bikinis is that something I can make you guys do I said sexy people in bikinis 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:44.240 yeah I mean we're we're sexy aren't we compared to what lonus uh BH prototyping 00:50:42.799 --> 00:50:48.280 says would you ever consider fully building an entire production grade 00:50:46.160 --> 00:50:55.200 computer case from scratch for a video in the future um absolutely in fact 00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:57.720 we're doing that wood one um are we you 00:50:55.200 --> 00:51:03.640 okay the wood the wood case did I did I okay making it from scratch no okay um 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:08.319 actually yeah that is something that we would consider doing um it would have to 00:51:06.520 --> 00:51:12.240 be the right project I mean we have designed cases from scratch before my 00:51:10.200 --> 00:51:17.520 personal rig is in a completely custom designed case that was built by protoc 00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:21.920 case um Anthony Berg hi Joseph thornier 00:51:17.520 --> 00:51:25.119 hi Chad hi hey Chad blame the Dingus 00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:27.079 more free Super Chat thank you um Jr 00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:31.920 Andrew mosac says do you think will lock out the PCI ports I sincerely hope that 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:35.480 they don't um at least not directly I think what Apple will do is they will 00:51:33.319 --> 00:51:39.799 limit the availability of drivers for devices to ones that they want plugged 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:44.359 into those PCI E ports just like they do with the Blackmagic egpu exactly just 00:51:42.680 --> 00:51:48.760 like you can't plug an Nvidia graphics card into a Macbook because Apple will 00:51:46.720 --> 00:51:53.720 not okay the drivers to be clear I actually had someone complaining um in 00:51:50.680 --> 00:51:56.040 the comments on the Mac Pro video where 00:51:53.720 --> 00:52:01.640 I appeared to be blaming Apple for the rift between Apple and Nvidia to be 00:51:58.359 --> 00:52:03.839 clear I don't I suspect that between 00:52:01.640 --> 00:52:09.119 Nvidia and apple you've got the two biggest egos in the entire industry and 00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:13.160 it's no wonder they can't get along and it's probably equal parts both of their 00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:17.960 fault actually it's probably more nidia's fault because they they screwed 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:21.359 Apple pretty good on those dying gpus back in the day uh carpentry says 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:25.319 Canadian dollars for the merch store please um sorry it's not going to happen 00:52:23.720 --> 00:52:31.040 anytime soon the vast majority of our audience is um in the US and the ones 00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:35.119 that aren't quite frankly aren't in Canada either and the US dollar is kind 00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:38.319 of the international currency blame Shopify we can't have multiple 00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:41.359 currencies oh apparently it's shopify's fault we can't have multiple currencies 00:52:39.799 --> 00:52:44.640 on it I'll double check but I think oh wow we just call you made me call out 00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:51.400 Shopify and you haven't double checked it dang it Nick uh so you're saying you 00:52:49.720 --> 00:52:56.240 don't care so you're saying you're rich so you don't care no I'm saying that I 00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:59.920 use these products to make money think about it this way you don't you can 00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:05.520 apply the same logic to anything as a as a parent whose kids 00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:13.000 won't use it very often I could say a $75 Radio Flyer wagon is very expensive 00:53:09.319 --> 00:53:15.440 and I'm not going to buy one but if my 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:20.880 if my son were to say I'm going to get a job delivering newspapers I can deliver 00:53:17.720 --> 00:53:24.359 newspapers 30% faster with a Radio Flyer 00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:26.920 wagon I could make back that money in s 00:53:24.359 --> 00:53:34.079 days of delivering newspapers now now it's not expensive it costs the exact 00:53:31.160 --> 00:53:38.200 same amount of money it's just a matter of measuring that amount that it costs 00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:44.079 against the ROI that it delivers for the business it's a different calculation it 00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:45.880 doesn't necessarily mean that you don't 00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:50.760 care about what the cost is it just means that there are other factors at 00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:53.599 play price is an arbitrary measure of value so if your value if you value it 00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:58.240 differently than someone else does because of your circumstances then um 00:53:56.640 --> 00:54:01.559 Scott says you crashed YouTube with last week's W show actually this is two w 00:53:59.839 --> 00:54:05.880 shows in a row that they haven't managed to process correctly so my intention 00:54:03.359 --> 00:54:09.720 today is to kill the live stream and then reupload it as a 00:54:07.520 --> 00:54:12.599 VOD cuz they promised me it's not going to happen again but they also couldn't 00:54:11.160 --> 00:54:19.839 offer an explanation as to why it happened last week and why it took an entire week for them to uh fix it Tyler 00:54:17.520 --> 00:54:27.280 gaming says I'm a Linux user enjoy your very limited Suite of 00:54:24.160 --> 00:54:30.079 creative professional software like come 00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:33.920 on it's not that simple you know that um Tommy Gun says how's the 100K PC and 00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:38.119 personal rig doing my personal rig's great James helped me upgrade it again 00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:43.359 yesterday so I'm super stoked on that and 100K PC we have a video coming very 00:54:40.160 --> 00:54:44.839 soon we shot that this week um okay I 00:54:43.359 --> 00:54:51.960 think I'm going to call that it thank you very much ladies and gentlemen we will see you again next week same bat 00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:54.119 Time same bat channel oh I am blur 20 00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:57.760 bucks sorry I will I will answer you do you know of a twoin one or convertible 00:54:55.960 --> 00:55:01.319 laptop with pen support for drawing that can also game at approximately medium 00:54:59.839 --> 00:55:06.520 settings wow 00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:10.520 uh I wouldn't I wouldn't count on finding that I would more look for 00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:13.040 something that has a good drawing surface that has Thunderbolt and I would 00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:18.520 use an egpu uh when you're when you're gaming 00:55:15.240 --> 00:55:21.520 like I don't know what to tell you um or 00:55:18.520 --> 00:55:24.640 I would wait for oh I would wait for 00:55:21.520 --> 00:55:25.880 wait what I would wait for uh 10th gen 00:55:24.640 --> 00:55:34.000 they're going to have better onboard graphics Alex P Prime from our editing team sent 00:55:31.839 --> 00:55:39.160 a Super Chat asking if this is a conflict of interest sending the Super 00:55:36.200 --> 00:55:44.319 Chat what are you even for $2 what are you even I'm reporting him I'm putting 00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:52.000 the user in timeout there timeout timeout a no all right bye 00:55:48.799 --> 00:55:54.400 guys oh wait what the what the deuce 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:59.920 Rover yeah Rover apparently gets the whole thing Rover 00:55:57.680 --> 00:56:08.039 Red Rover us again H part of the intro it's dead and 00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:08.039 bye and it's gone