um do you want the camera to be adjusted oh yeah we've got a little bit too much
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mind I got that's good
yeah and we're live ladies and gentlemen
welcome to the W show Luke is cavorting
about in Asia so he couldn't join us but
that's okay we have budget Luke sorry is it discount discount Luke sorry cavort
jump or dance around excitedly I hope he's cavorting yeah oh I'm pretty sure
he's cavorting he loves hanging out over there I'm pretty sure that's the only
reason that he wanted to go to computex Luke if you're watching I'm on to you
it's the only time he corts yes the only time he corts I rarely Cort but when I
do it's in Asia he actually can really Cort over there because a lot of the
time the ceilings are too low Oh I thought you going to say he would like squish people step on them like little
ants yeah he really does stand out there
get back I'm cting in a very real way so
uh yeah we've got a really great show for you guys today and I'd love to tell you about it except my uh laptop is
updating so maybe James can tell us what some of the great topics we have are
we're going to talk about our favorite things from WWDC I actually do have some favorite
things from WWDC like not everything was bad okay no spoilers though okay and
remember when YouTube was down last weekend remember when the W show was
supposed to go up last weekend there's lots of things
conspiracy and AMD and Samsung partner
up for ultra low power graphics in
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at 11 News at 11 roll the intro
this is great I just like the timing uh someone messages how rich is lonus in
the chat and someone super chats 99
Cents not so rich doesn't appreciate this it's actually less than 99 Cents
because YouTube takes a cut of that oh they take a cut of super chats yeah of
course of course they do of course they seven uh no I think it's more than that
yeah I actually don't know super chats
um while we definitely appreciate people
generosity um are not really a needle mover for us um and part of it is that
YouTube does take a significant portion of it so super chat uh YouTube portion
sorry I have to look this up because I actually don't know how much money does
YouTube take from superchats this is an article on stream Geeks and I should
probably be looking it up on my laptop now that it's um not updating anymore
and then I could actually share this with you how much I thought we were
directing all the super chats to Brandon now from Super no no that was just that
one time hey Brandon you got your free lunch right yeah okay good just checking
those super chats move the needle for you um guys please continue super chats
please he got he got a free he got a free lunch out of it so that's pretty good I guess nice all right how much
money does YouTube take from Super chats wow this is a really long article for
just like search on dollar sign or search on perc contr
F uh you have seen our 100% YouTube live
Super Chat blah blah blah uh okay when I
clicked the estimated Revenue in YouTube's analytics it was roughly 30%
less than the total Super Chat amount um so they take a 30% cut of super chats
through YouTube That's exorbitant well yes and no it's exorbitant hold on a
second yes and no it's not quite that simple because for one thing Google
while they do use their own payment processor which saves them a lot um if
they were using a third-party payment processor you could be looking at as
much as 30 cents or more per transaction plus a percentage of the
transaction so even if I was just uh using stripe or brain tree to take a
dollar from you over the internet thank you very much I would still be giving
30% of that over 30% of that to my payment processor this is something that
we've learned the hard way um as we've
uh developed Floatplane uh Luke's not here so we're not going to talk about Floatplane ATT 10 today but uh my
apologies to the Floatplane fans out there only blockchain can save us but
well save us blockchain yeah but the transactions aren't even free with
crypto like some cryptocurrencies have very high transaction fees especially if
you want the transaction to go through in a reasonable amount of time yes I
know it depends but the some of the more commonly used ones have extraordinarily
High transaction fees whatever man it's
the future all right it's it's hard to
have a real conversation but then I mean you don't cost as much as Luke so
discount conversation I don't okay no wants to have a blockchain conversation
right now I just wanted to make the joke and leave it at that okay that that's
fair you know um bitcoin's up what like 60% this year though uh last I checked
it was is it like 10 grand I don't I don't know honestly I'm like see now
we're having a blockchain conversation I'm I'm out it's 8 Grand it's
$8,000 so I'm I'm out I don't care anymore so I'm I'm actually trying not
to pay too close attention to it I'm just like you know what forget it you
guys enjoy your crypto thing call me when it's actually manageable to
integrate as a payment system uh call me when you know the Canadian Banks and the
Canadian government have all decided on a way to U deposit and withdraw this
stuff and uh not have everything disappear mysteriously in a weird town
in India where people are known for going to fake their own deaths um you
you heard about that right not specific one no um so uh what's the uh what's the
crypto exchange that went down uh the the one that was like based out of here
oh what was that called I don't know they all have the same
name uh out of business owner died hold
on what was it quadriga yeah quadriga um
so it's a 30-year-old CEO and co-founder
died of complications arising from Crohn's disease while traveling in India
supposedly except the circumstances of
his death um r spirous H yeah but did
that ever come to a conclusion I don't believe it has at this point but I
haven't been paying really close attention to it because like I said I'm out I hope he's alive I really do I like
over a hundred million dollar of assets like are you saying you've never
fantasized about faking your own death it's just such a funny thing to think
about it's illegal as far as I know isn't it I think it is yeah I mean you
know the thing is that you know most of the people uh who do it you know never
get prosecuted because they're actually dead I love how there's like a mecca for
this like if you want to fake your death come here how can you have a good fake
if everyone knows oh he died in that town no one really dies there like their
whole newspapers obituaries like fake
news yeah so I don't know like there's a
place there's a place there I forget what the town is called or like like the
area is called but they're really well known for document forgeries including
things like birth certificates and death certificates and that happened to be and
this could be a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory in fact YouTube chat is probably
blowing up being like I personally oh wow it is blowing up like I personally
saw the dead body or whatever like good for you uh so yeah like I said it's
possible this is all nonsense it's a hub for makeup artists um but it's it's possible
someone says not illegal you have the right to disappear yeah you can disappear but you can't um you can't
forge a death certificate because that is a legal document so that would be
about like forging a um uh a land deed
like you can't do that and because there
are such large incentives for some people for faking their own death
um there's definitely definitely laws
that make it so you you can't do that faking your death is sometimes called
pseudocide pseudocide that is great I like that that's cute that's
clever wow well don't know if it's
illegal or not yet but how about Apple
stuff how about it how about it all right well why don't we why don't we
bring up the WWDC news and kind of kind of talk
through some of our favorite things the wock why would I go to the W there's
links there in I know but the people who work on that they just don't do a very
good
job it's funny cuz he's the one who works works on the W uh all right all
right all right all right so there's like nothing in here I said follow the
links the links you I didn't build this
out because you already made videos
about this you know this we all know this stuff all right so should we start
with the Mac Pro now I've kind of said
everything that I want to say about the Mac Pro um I there oh actually I do have
a couple small Corrections from the video that I made earlier this week so I
had speculated that the the very low-end
system configurations that only have four sticks of memory might not support
six Channel memory but remember right after the Mac Pro announcement uh we
missed it Intel announced their 3000 Series Zeon W lineup that was going to
be the processors in the Mac Pro and it does go all the way down to eight cores
and apple apparently confirmed that no there will only be one motherboard so
they're just shipping a six Channel motherboard six Channel CPU and they're
just putting four sticks of memory in it because six grand for eight an eight
core processor makes a ton of sense something now from like an optimization
standpoint what what does that mean um it means that you're getting effectively
66% of the memory bandwidth that you otherwise would now with that said
you've only got a p8 core processor so
who cares I guess because it's not like
uh it's not like a 28 core where you could legitimately have a workload
you're running on it that needs all of that memory bandwidth like you just
don't have the compute to justify it anyway but I also just don't think that
an eight core configuration of this machine should exist it doesn't make
sense like so much of the price of this thing is making up for the R&D of the
case design seems to me that you're just not getting any value on the on the low
end on the low end I think there's
people already defending it but don't I don't understand these people because on
the low end you should just be buying a latest gen iMac it has an 8 core
processor ECC memory is a really it's a
really interesting feature because I even went as far so we published a very
negative review of Intel's previous uh
Zeon W lineup the one that was based on their LGA 2066 platform and what Anthony
and I concluded and I ultimately said in the video
was these things are a rip by an HDT
processor because the only differentiating factor is that they
support ECC memory which if you really needed it well AMD supports ECC up and
down their entire lineup oh wow all the way from Threadripper down to ryzen 3
so if you absolutely must have that there might be an AMD option for you go
check that out and you lose overclocking
support which depending on your workload
might actually make sense because you're using their c620 whatever chipset
instead of their x299 chipset which has overclocking support builds into it so
we ultimately concluded that you were paying anywhere from 500 and over
dollars for a tradeoff in features that
may or may not have any value to you and um Intel was upset about my conclusion
because they said well actually you know zon W
is good for workstations and I went
why is it good and they said well because it's made for workstations and I
said well what makes it made for workstations
exactly and they said Well it has ECC support and I said well that's nice um
what does that do for me because here's the thing the perception for a lot of
years was that Intel xon processors Were
Somehow better than their consumer equivalents and there have been times
when they actually were but over time
the R&D cost to make a new CPU design
has become such an enormous part of the
cost of a processor that by the time you've done all that R&D it's actually
cheaper to just make the same CPU and
put it under two different brands with some features turned on or turned off
and a feature that you would turn off would never be
stability like it is not think about it it is is not an Intel's interest for
their Core Series processors to crash once every 422
hours for to what end so Intel can talk
about how Zeon W is really
stable but if you ask well is core I9
not stable they just kind
of yeah it's stable and it is so what I
asked them to do was okay guys let's
talk about ECC I want to do a video where you guys
take me to like uh you know Sandia
National Lab or something and and we we
we simulate a solar a solar event we we
flip a bit we actually flip a bit on a
memory chip and show that this system recovered from it and this one didn't
and they were like we can't do that like
they physically can't do that they don't have the instruments to do that
they wouldn't clarify okay they were
just like we can't do that and so I said
well then my conclusion about your processor given that there is no
meaningful demo I also I before we got as far as like going to a laboratory and
like doing this um I asked well give me
a demo mhm give me something I could do on these two machines that shows that
this one is more stable than this one and they were like we don't have any
workload like that I kind of
went okay thanks guys um like the thing you
got to understand is that ECC does do something in the event of an accidental
bit flip it is supposed to recover from it the thing is that each subsequent
generation of DDR technology has also
added more resilienc against accidental
errors so I'm not saying it doesn't have
a value today I'm just saying that it's not a value that even Intel was able to
design a test for me to be able to demonstrate um at least the people I
talked to there if anyone from Intel's watching and knows a way that we can do
this yo HMU as the kids say
right I'm almost as old as you now man
yeah well fair enough yeah and you're going to be uh wait is that public
knowledge or no yes oh okay and he's going to be a dad too yeah he's going to
be the second dad at lonus Media Group I was going to say second parent but my
wife works here she's also a parent that's true she's very obvious she's
yeah she is she's a parent oh that was great oh let me I'm going to let that
wash over me for a
second yeah so it's like a feature that is over serving most people and being
disrupted by the same company's other features yes
anyway um I forget where I was going with this right you should just buy an
iMac because it's a faster 8 even thermal throttling I think it's still
faster than this uh this zon W
because whatever or something um and
then that even ignores the iMac Pro which starts at five grand and uh I
think what does what does its core count start at I feel like we need to go like
look at that now iMac Pro Apple
USA I don't think this is going to take me to the US site no it's not well
whatever we'll just do it manually thank you very much for that oh the prices I
love how this stuff is always need the pric aut no I do need the prices because
so the the Mac Pro is going to start at six grand so if we have a look at where
the iMac Pro starts because remember these are not the same processors they
fit in an entirely different socket but from a performance standpoint I don't
believe Intel has changed anything like I clock speed for clock speed core for
core they should be quite similar so let's go ahead and have a peeky Boo at
what we get for this so we get a 3.2 g gahz xon w that turbos to 4.2 and what
do we get with the Mac Pro we get a 3.5 that turbos to 4.0 so let's configure it
we've got a grand to spend because they both come with 32 gigs of RAM in the
base configuration and uh two no this
one has a one terab SST out of the box of course it does right so we can add
another two freaking cores and I'm not saying the iMac Pro is a perfect machine
I'm just saying it also happens to include a display um with a
stand and it'll outperform the base model Mac Pro on paper we will have to
actually test that we might have to crack open our iMac Pro again oh stop
cracking it put like different processors in stop cracking it please H
I know I know and just oh man the I
think the graphics card is the most embarrassing thing about this stock
configuration really a 580x let's fire up L newegg.com now I
know it's a radon Pro or whatever but you guys got to understand that is a
that just B that that no that is just a
driver switch that AMD flips it is the
same bloody card um 580x hold on a
second you're not typing yeah I'm I'm working on it I'm working on it so what
is a 58 X cost these days here's an MSI armor whatever
$200 like we're talking a $200 graphics
card in a system that costs six grand so
basically the message that apple is sending with this base configuration is
buy this if you're the kind of like ego
images everything that wants to
have a Mac Pro as a status symbol but
actually doesn't care at all about what's under the hood of it at all yeah
that's the message it's like being like Oh I need a Mercedes to impress the ladies and everyone else is like yeah
it's the cheapest one yes but as long as
the ladies don't know that I guess you're good then you're good so as long
as still great cheese ladies who aren't into
cars um what what else did I did I want to say about the Mac Pro right okay so
we know it's all the same socket so um no you don't get a different motherboard
it's just stupid and now I've had people say well what if you want to upgrade in
the future well then you should use your
current machine for now and you should upgrade when you order because upgrading
computers is very rarely a good idea now I'm not saying you should get the you
know most loaded out memory configuration in fact there's a good
chance that companies like OWC or I fix it are going to have kits that you can
use to upgrade that stuff for much cheaper
um I'm just saying that you're basically
buying a processor that you then are just going to put in a bin and trust me
no one else is going to want it because the kind of motherboard that's going to
fit an LGA 3647 zon W is going to cost $
55600 nobody buys a board like that and
puts a cheapo 8 core processor in it that's stupid it's an imbalanced machine
that's my point it's six grand it's got a throwaway processor a throwaway Gra
graphics card and memory that honestly
let's see it's 32 gigs so what is that is that 8 gig sticks so that limits your
total upgradeability as well because it's only got 12 memory slots so 32 * 3
is what like 96 96 gigs of RAM like
that's probably Lots but you're better off getting 16 gig sticks because that
doubles the overall expansion like if if upgradeability is what you've got in
mind don't buy parts that you have to throw away and that no one will
ultimately want so why do you think Apple makes this skew they make the skew
for the for the ego people do you think it's it's their most profitable build
out no no I think they're absolutely it's just because people will buy it I
think that they are trying to maintain not just a profit margin but also a GP
dollar profitability to this product because my what you mean by GP dollars
uh gross profit dollarss okay so so they just want to have coverage of as wide a
swath the market as possible yeah so so they want to hit the lowest price point
they can while still making what they
would have expected to make regardless of which skew they sell on the core
components that they're selling which are ultimately the case a license for
macOS which is ultimately tied to the main board the sorry the logic board but
if that's the case then this and if this
product is overlapping with performance-
wise with the other products as you just showed us then it's cannibalizing those other
products to me that doesn't make sense unless it's the case that at Apple those
teams are kind of segregated and each team is responsible for getting as as
much gross profit on its product line
actually and they're competing teams I doubt it works that way I think Apple's
a little bit smarter and a little bit more organized than that I suspect that
the only reason they wouldn't care about this cannibalizing their other products
is that it's more profitable or as profitable so ultimately it doesn't
matter what you buy okay um and I would suspect based on the load out of
something like an iMac Pro I suspect that this is a higher margin produ M uh
even if they are assembling it in the US as I I think they had committed to doing
don't quote me on that though okay um so so yeah they just have a they just have
a base amount of GP dollars that they
need to make in order to make this product make sense for their
shareholders and well screw you you you
get to buy a config that doesn't make any sense because remember too imagine
this imagine if it didn't start at 6,000
okay imagine if it started at 12 13,000
okay people would be outraged about that too and instead of it just being nerds
like me that are going to break down the spec and go well this is imbalanced this
doesn't make sense um you know you've effectively you've effectively bought
you know uh um that x for case that we showed the
like $1,300 case and you know put an
entry-level CPU and graphics card in it like you're an idiot you know the the
people who are mad right now are the giant nerds whereas if they announced a
product that was that started at $133,000 everyone would be mad right
they're their like common customer would feel alienated that's right yeah okay
now it seems attainable even though what you're buying is essentially stuff to
throw away and upgrade later if you are intending to do any serious work with it
okay how about the monitor though uh
yeah we can talk about the monitor
so I can't wait to see it it's going to be a great monitor let's say that it's
going to be a great monitor oh the monitor I'm pretty excited about
actually now Brandon was actually telling me about um a really interesting
post that someone created where their main problem with the monitor was not
necessarily its Hardware capabilities but whether or not Apple was going to
adhere to any of the existing standards for HDR because if Apple comes in and
says okay we're competing with the the Flanders of the world you know we're
talking 30,000 plus dollar displays um so so this person's problem
with it at that point was it doesn't have enough local dimming zones it's going to have Bloom it's just it's
simply not suitable um versus if Apple
was coming in and they wanted to compete with sort of the the more
the more average creation monitors um
they were saying that well Apple needs to Apple needs to just
be aware of and adhere to standards like hdr10 that already exist instead of you
know forging their own path with this uh what what do they call it xdr extreme
dynamic range or something like that I can't remember exactly exactly what
their wording was for it um now I I
think that with like apple isn't perfect
but they tend to be good at designing an end-to-end workflow what I suspect is
that right around the time this Mac Pro launches they're going to have some new
workflow tools within Final Cut within macOS that are going to make working
with HDR content easier and I think that
they they're going to have to acknowledge that there are standards
like hlg um hdr10 Uhl Vision that
already exist and that they have to make their tools work for I I I am not as
pessimistic as um that person was but um
I also am not as well versed in it as they are so I'm going to be really
interested to see how this how this goes
and how long this display is even that
interesting for OLED only has to get a
little bit brighter to make more sense because remember it's high dynamic range
not necessarily how many knits you can pump through a display um so OLED only
has to get a little bit brighter before for my for myself I'd rather be editing
I'd rather be creating on something that has no Bloom and 57 is 576 zones 532 I
can't remember how many it was but um on a 32 in yeah that's a lot of zones on a
32 in but it's sure as heck not an emissive display technology I we
actually we checked out a display with uh 52 512 zones just yesterday 35 in on
a 35 in and so it's not quite an apple Apple's comparison but would you say
based on what you saw that Apple's 500
to 600 class display on a 32 in is going
to be sufficient for like real color
accurate contrast accurate color work no
it depends on okay well it depends on the aggressiveness CU on the display
that you and I looked at it was which was the
pg35v sometimes known as BQ um it
had such aggressive um local dimming that there
was always Bloom and it was you could really see when you move the cursor from
one little one inch one inch Zone to another that it was you missed when we
were playing Tomb Raider didn't you uh I played it myself earlier but I wasn't
there I wasn't there with you did you play any scenes with really high
contrast a little bit okay I didn't notice any problems when I was G okay
cuz I was really impressed with how well it did when gaming it was only when on
the desktop it sucked on the it I think sucked is probably about the right word
yeah yeah yeah all I'm saying is like
even with that many zones 500 zones in that size they're still like they they
were about an inch by an inch still an inch by an inch still pretty big it's
big yeah and apples is going to be smaller but not that much smaller not
that much smaller no like maybe 08 of an inch or 85 of an inch but 10% smaller or
something like that so cuz remember too we're talking about a 35 in display but
it's a 35 in 21 by9 display that is not
in terms of actual display surface area that's not as much bigger as it sounds
compared to a 32 in um is it 16 by9 n or
10 I actually don't remember um but even
you even see Bloom on oleds I think it
just has to do with the perception of the eye though that's true that's true
you do see some Bloom on oleds but like you said I think part of it is just the
eyes contrast capabilities yep
um and that's actually another thing that's another reason why I do question
how much brighter OLED really has to get
for the HDR experience to be really really good on it because we're already
at the point now where the brightest whites on an OLED right next to the
blackest blacks like my eye has a hard time seeing that line yeah so if we want
something like a like a candle burning in the middle of a dark room if we want
it to bleed out if that's the filmmaker's desired effect I mean are we
that far off I just don't know how much more work is going to be put into OLED
because it seems like microed is kind of looming in like the 3 to five year
Horizon now and and Apple's one of the companies doing it at least they're
investing really heavily in it as far as as far as the public is aware anyway
yeah I don't know how big of displays they're planning on making with it
though it's supposed to be pretty scalable though right that's one of the
uh one of the selling points of microlet I believe is that it's kind of like you
can just scale it up or down now this was a really fun conversation that I
actually had with some of the folks at NVIDIA and I don't believe yeah no
there's nothing about this that would have been off the Record or nd8 or
anything like that but I was and pardon
my ignorance every once in a while I get something completely wrong so I was
under the impression that when we talk about microled technology you know what
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all right so let's what was I talking about dang it you're about to tell me oh
yeah thing about microed okay so every
once in a while I get something completely wrong and microled
is one of them okay so my first exposure to microled in the real world was
Sony's it burns that's pretty hot that's
pretty hot is there is there a reason we don't
just turn on the other the normal ones on they just take oh are you sure but I
don't know if they're turning on I don't know if they take 10 minutes iens we'd
see them glowing by now I don't think they're on I'm happy with this it looks
cool dramatic um so my first exposure to
microed was Al I'm not the one looking in the light um was with the Sony Cletus
display yep and have you heard of the Cletus yeah was that CS oh did you see
it I wasn't there that year but they had it the next year didn't they okay so the
Cletus display is really trippy because
the way that it it's like a modular display and we've seen Technologies like
this before but it's a unique one because it's got these panels that are
about this big and then you just assemble them together into whatever
size and resolution display you want now that's not unique what's unique is that
the Cletus display uses an emissive display technology like OLED except it's
not oleds it's microleds okay so they've got these tiny
tiny micro LEDs red green and blue and
they emit directly from the display so
there's no backlight or anything like that but the way that they achieve near
perfect blacks on a cetus display is
that I forget what the exact number is but uh it's over made of black dots no
no no it's not is there like a bunch of black dots that you can see if you go really close to it no is it like an
illusion when you back up uh it's a little bit different than that though so
they actually allowed me to go up to it
uh here I'm just going I remember everyone was uh everyone was tense like
no don't go that close Okay Ultimate Picture blah blah blah where is it okay
uh where's the here we go okay right
because so the reason they can get nearly perfect blacks out of it is that
99% of the Cletus display doesn't emit
light weird it's just it's actually
black so you're looking at this giant display
made that that emits light they're micro LEDs they're super bright but they're
actually tiny they're micro LEDs and all
the area around them is just black are
they clustered or are they spread out with lots of black in between they look
like this yeah okay yeah so you've got a red green and a it's either a blue or a
yellow I actually don't remember but you've got three sub pixels for each
pixel and the vast majority of the display is actually black but because of
the way that light spreads from a source
you actually have to get about 18 in from the screen in order for and it's
weird your eyes like go weird as you move through the threshold kind of click
in and then all of a sudden you go from seeing the entire image which has no
perceivable gaps in it to seeing just
these dots and they don't look like anything they just that's so trippy it's
so weird okay so I thought that micro Le
displays were specifically this technology okay I didn't ever stop and
think about that a micro LED is just I
think a small LED and you could do anything you wanted with it yeah um I I
didn't think about that there were other ways that people were planning to use
micro LEDs okay so I was talking to NVIDIA because they were talking about
these displays that they've that they've created with over 500 um local dimming
zones and they were talking about like yeah you know we see a clear path
forward because I'd love to see wait which NVIDIA displays have over 500
Deming well the one that we just checked out for one that's not NVIDIA ASUS okay
are you talking about the bfgs I'm talking about the NVIDIA driver module
and the um the full array backlight control module that's Nidia creates that
yeah so um okay that's actually an important point to clarify so they were
talking about how um you know going from 300 84 zones to over 500 zones to using
mini LEDs to micro LEDs they see this
very clear technology progression whereas like I'd love an OLED g-sync
display and I was like hey you guys working on that and they're kind of like
you know they're vague right they're evasive we're working on everything you
know what are we we're a technology company what are we not working like they basically it was not total
non-answer and when I drilled down um
where I ultimately like they wouldn't answer any questions about it but what I
ultimately realized is that because OLED is an emissive display with completely
different characteristics in terms of
color mixing at different brightnesses
um you know making them color accurate um the way that the pixels switch or
rather they they don't take a long time to switch like NVIDIA would have to
completely reinvent the gsync module to run an OLED display so when they were
talking about this clear path forward to mini LED and microed I totally
misunderstood that they were talking about something like a Cletus display an
emissive display using micro LEDs what
they were actually talking about was using micro LEDs to have a much greater
degree of granularity in a full array backl I see okay so so what they're
looking for as a business then is is evolution rather than Revolution it's
like we have this tried and test stuff we just need to iterate to make it you
know just do this but do it harder do it smaller miniaturize it so what I
ultimately came away with was that full
array backlighting on LCD
displays is not going anywhere and where
we're probably headed is many many many
more zones maybe where we get to the point where each zone is a mini LED or a
microed so that the blooming becomes much less I don't remember what my point
was in all of this anymore I think we were just talking about um micrite
coming out eventually oh right app invest yes so microled coming out
eventually yes but maybe not in the form
that you might think because a micr Leed display could be an emissive display or
it could just be really really small LEDs micro Leeds mhm behind a regular
old LCD panel so yes micr displays are coming we just
don't know exactly what form they'll take and after that meeting with NVIDIA
I had a better understanding it doesn't make sense to keep them as transmissive
displays because when you have that many of them well it depends how many you
have if they're at almost the level of being like for each pixel is a Zone then
the beauty of it is that you turn it off and you get the the black levels of OLED
yes right and the pixel response times because the reason that LCDs have higher
pixel response times than OLED is that it actually takes time liid cryst to TST
that and to unst and that's to why it's
not as black because even when it's fully Twisted some still going to get
through so why would you give up on all those awesome benefits because you've
invested the last 25 years in LCD then
get disrupted and you know how they work get disrupted that but that's it because
you know how they work because a lot of the time you can build even using an
inferior technology you can build a better display when you
understand the technology at play better and so yes get disrupted but the flip
side of that is Apple's display is already sort of
groundbreaking in terms of its contrast and Peak brightness and all that the
thing is the thing is $6,000 MH so but
so is a bfgd what's the emissive one going to be that's exactly my point how
disruptive is that technology going to be if it costs 50 Grand or whatever you
know what I mean well they should event it depends they could end up in phones
it'd be great in your watch yes you know and I wonder if LG I'm sure LG is also
um investing in it's just kind of interesting because they also are going
so hard into OLED but they don't want to be the caught flat footed either right
no one wants to be caught flat footed I think LG is still pretty heavily
invested in OLED only time will tell so
we promised in the video thumbnail that we were going to talk about not just the
monitor but also the monitor stand what monitor stand the one for the do come
with yeah the one it doesn't the one it doesn't come with so I guess the
argument here is that like the very
expensive very very expensive monitors that you referenced earlier uh those
don't come with stands either and it's just not in like in that category it's
not industry standard to have a stand hey Brandon can you bring me something
that's really stupidly
overpriced like a a a handle or something you know you know what I'm
talking about right okay yeah okay Brandon's gonna find something this
gonna be something related to a red for sure okay
so can I play devil's advocate for a moment here please I love Satan okay so
there's a you got something for me have two
things okay yeah that yeah what else you got how much is this 12.95 for two this
is $12.95 for two okay wonderful uh how much is this
$2,950 is that still how much it costs us or Canadian US okay three grand us
all right um um this is three grand okay so we got a we got a couple we got a
couple things here okay so when I buy a
product my understanding is that it should come with pretty much everything
that it needs to function right okay
okay that's a very consumer Centric point of view now I would say that if I
were to if I were to graph out the now
that now that I have experience in the professional world if I were to graph
out my expectation of like cost versus
included accessories curve okay I would
say as the cost approaches zero your included accessories go down you expect
a more barebones experience so as the cost approaches zero as the cost of my
original purchase approach is zero so if I buy the cheapest phone on the market
I'm not that surprised it doesn't come with some headphones okay right okay
then as I as I step up in cost I expect
my experience to be more and more complete and when you buy something like
a Galaxy S10 um you know it's got
your UPS on here do yeah we do theoretically we're live but the
camera's dead can you can you guys can you guys make sure the camera is going to turn back on oh yeah camera's on okay
we just sorry guys we just had we just had a short blackout it's called a brown
out uh no no it's called a brown out when it doesn't actually cut oh when it just goes yeah um a short blackout yeah
wow we have to have a good name for that hey guys a mini Blackout um sorry what
was I talking about you were describing an inverted par okay yeah so so
basically you know I expect to get my my you know my headphones and and they'll
run bundles and stuff so maybe it comes with a Micro SD card for expansion and
blah blah blah blah blah and and a fast charger a fast charger you know like
access bundles well unless it's an iPhone yeah and then as I spend more
that starts go down and I get into professional grade rather than consumer
grade gear the manufacturer's expectation is that if you only have a
little bit to spend you expect very little if you have a moderate amount of
money to spend you expect a lot and if you have a lot of money to spend you
probably don't care about the crap we were going to include anyway and you're
willing to pay more for a premium perfect P option so I think there's a
certain level of Fu you've got the money anyway pay more that goes on when it
comes to professional I think they would say that I think they would say that they wouldn't say because every because
each piece is ostensibly so highly
engineered and high quality and so expensive you don't want and low volume
you don't want to be paying for things you don't need that would be the way they would
say it they wouldn't say F you but it's just implied but if that were really the
case if they're really being altruistic then there wouldn't be a
$200 Vasa adapter it would just be
standard you could just clip it on there yes okay so let's talk about then so
again playing playing a little bit of Devil's Advocate here I don't think that
Apple has missed the mark With Their audience at
all we are talking about a you don't think they're out outraging the same
person they were afraid to outrage when we talked about the lower level I think
they're going to outrage people but I don't think those were of the customer
for this product at all we're talking about a
$6,000 monitor once you get the anti-glare special etched glass coating
we're talking about a $6,000 machine that it hooks up to at that point it is
an 8% difference in cost to get the pro
stand H or just or or what percentage is
that or or we're talking like a
1.75% difference in cost to get a vas
amount right 1.5% that's all we're
talking about well $200 is nothing people people who can afford that pee
the $200 a grand not
necessarily maybe they don't pee it but
maybe they can make that $200 back
because this is a tool that they use for actual work so I paid how much did I pay
for this uh the 12200 bucks for two $100
for two well yeah like a pair it's a set of two a pair is $1,200 okay so I paid
$600 for this let's break it down a little bit uh here's a piece of machined
aluminum here's a screw here's a little aluminum doohickey that you can twist uh
here's a button another aluminum
doohickey um here's a little ajusted do
hickey with another little do that on it
um here's a rubber handle let's go okay
so $600 but I did this because there's
nothing else on the market that has the
the same level of ergonomics and build quality that allows us to operate the
camera more comfortably so effectively I'm not buying some stupid aluminum
doohickey I'm buying a camera I'm buying a camera operator whose back doesn't
need Cairo appointments every week that ultimately my company's Health Plan is
going to pay for that's what I'm buying so it's a
different perspective and when it comes
to legitimate professional level gear I'm not talking about an iPad Pro that's
not professional equipment a MacBook Pro
is not professional equipment anymore people are doing real work on them but
Apple has sullied that product line they
have made it about a status symbol that you can use to browse Facebook hot take
more than just about actually getting real work done into delivering the best
possible performance now my thoughts may change when I I actually haven't watched
our review of the upcoming 8 core MacBook Pro so I'm basing it on the one
that thermal throttled last apparently it's a lot better um but I'm talking
about actual tools that actual professionals will buy to actually make
money with them it's a different equation when you make money with
something that you buy at least cognitively you can justify
it sure also if you make more money with it
than objectively mhm it's a good
investment wow hey do you know how much employee
healthcare costs 600 bucks whatever or
like or like if someone quit because I I
wouldn't I would couldn't provide the the ergonomic equipment that they need
to not be in pain uh do you know how much it cost to train a person mhm we're
talking thousands and thousands of dollars in Lost prod productivity
what this makes them happy all right H
what do I care well I want a better
chair which chair do you have now I'm just joking actually all right I have
had a really nice her Miller before at work it was pretty cool should we wrap
it up is that it super chats can we do some super chats oh we should really do
some super chats um just for YouTube's sake yes yes you know yeah here YouTube
Here's your here let's find the let's find the most expensive uh Super Chat
YouTube can we get some here you go YouTube Here's 30 bucks uh from tytin
and Dougal hey lonus Paradox interactive of ck2 eu4 made a music video for their
upcoming Paradox con will we get a music
video for LTX will we get a music video for LTX I
have to confess I had not given that one Nan of thought well I can imagine us
having footage from LTX placed over
music or with music and released as promotional material for the next one
but I don't think we're going to choreograph any dancing or get any sexy people in bikinis we could put us in
bikinis is that something I can make you guys do I said sexy people in bikinis
yeah I mean we're we're sexy aren't we compared to what lonus uh BH prototyping
says would you ever consider fully building an entire production grade
computer case from scratch for a video in the future um absolutely in fact
we're doing that wood one um are we you
okay the wood the wood case did I did I okay making it from scratch no okay um
actually yeah that is something that we would consider doing um it would have to
be the right project I mean we have designed cases from scratch before my
personal rig is in a completely custom designed case that was built by protoc
case um Anthony Berg hi Joseph thornier
hi Chad hi hey Chad blame the Dingus
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Andrew mosac says do you think will lock out the PCI ports I sincerely hope that
they don't um at least not directly I think what Apple will do is they will
limit the availability of drivers for devices to ones that they want plugged
into those PCI E ports just like they do with the Blackmagic egpu exactly just
like you can't plug an NVIDIA graphics card into a Macbook because Apple will
not okay the drivers to be clear I actually had someone complaining um in
the comments on the Mac Pro video where
I appeared to be blaming Apple for the rift between Apple and NVIDIA to be
clear I don't I suspect that between
NVIDIA and apple you've got the two biggest egos in the entire industry and
it's no wonder they can't get along and it's probably equal parts both of their
fault actually it's probably more nidia's fault because they they screwed
Apple pretty good on those dying gpus back in the day uh carpentry says
Canadian dollars for the merch store please um sorry it's not going to happen
anytime soon the vast majority of our audience is um in the US and the ones
that aren't quite frankly aren't in Canada either and the US dollar is kind
of the international currency blame Shopify we can't have multiple
currencies oh apparently it's shopify's fault we can't have multiple currencies
on it I'll double check but I think oh wow we just call you made me call out
Shopify and you haven't double checked it dang it Nick uh so you're saying you
don't care so you're saying you're rich so you don't care no I'm saying that I
use these products to make money think about it this way you don't you can
apply the same logic to anything as a as a parent whose kids
won't use it very often I could say a $75 Radio Flyer wagon is very expensive
and I'm not going to buy one but if my
if my son were to say I'm going to get a job delivering newspapers I can deliver
newspapers 30% faster with a Radio Flyer
wagon I could make back that money in s
days of delivering newspapers now now it's not expensive it costs the exact
same amount of money it's just a matter of measuring that amount that it costs
against the ROI that it delivers for the business it's a different calculation it
doesn't necessarily mean that you don't
care about what the cost is it just means that there are other factors at
play price is an arbitrary measure of value so if your value if you value it
differently than someone else does because of your circumstances then um
Scott says you crashed YouTube with last week's W show actually this is two w
shows in a row that they haven't managed to process correctly so my intention
today is to kill the live stream and then reupload it as a
VOD cuz they promised me it's not going to happen again but they also couldn't
offer an explanation as to why it happened last week and why it took an entire week for them to uh fix it Tyler
gaming says I'm a Linux user enjoy your very limited Suite of
creative professional software like come
on it's not that simple you know that um Tommy Gun says how's the 100K PC and
personal rig doing my personal rig's great James helped me upgrade it again
yesterday so I'm super stoked on that and 100K PC we have a video coming very
soon we shot that this week um okay I
think I'm going to call that it thank you very much ladies and gentlemen we will see you again next week same bat
Time same bat channel oh I am blur 20
bucks sorry I will I will answer you do you know of a twoin one or convertible
laptop with pen support for drawing that can also game at approximately medium
settings wow
uh I wouldn't I wouldn't count on finding that I would more look for
something that has a good drawing surface that has Thunderbolt and I would
use an egpu uh when you're when you're gaming
like I don't know what to tell you um or
I would wait for oh I would wait for
wait what I would wait for uh 10th gen
they're going to have better onboard graphics Alex P Prime from our editing team sent
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